who wins this, assuming both know exactly where the others are?

>>48545402
Which side has the higher APM?

>>48545657
both are commanded by koreans.

>>48545681
What about upgrades and wargear?

>>48545721
minimum upgrades on both sides.

the exarch will have his power glaive, while the banshees have their standard power swords and shuriken pistols.

the zealots also have minimal upgrades, with their standard plasma swords.

>>48545402
The Eldar SHOULD take it the vast majority of the time because Eldar tech should be better slightly.

Honestly, I think the fairest SC2/40k fight you're going to see is a Protoss Zealot vs One Adeptus Astartes (loyalist only). Think about it:
>both train for decades/centuries in learning the art of war
>both have massively enhanced physicals compared to humans (multi-ton lifting/incredible reflexes etc)
>both wield ancient weapons of war passed down for literally thousands of years
>both zealots in their religious views
Come to think of it, I really really really want to see that fight now...

>>48545769
>no way to close the gap or engage at range

>not getting fucked by kiting

Are you stupid, or?

>>48545402
>>48545769
I'm thinking Eldar have it mainly due to ranged advantage. Plasma swords vs. power swords is a wash. While pistols probably won't win the fight alone, even killing 1 or 2 zealots before the two sides close in will be enough.

>>48546010
We can't forget the Banshees also have their masks. That could be a big advantage in the initial charge.

The Eldar walk backwards shooting calmly and take 0 casualties.

>>48546042
True. I'm less familiar with Starcarft and the abilities of Protoss in general, though it seems that in terms of basic kit the Banshees have quite a number of advantages.

>>48546010
>even killing 1 or 2 zealots before the two sides close in will be enough.

We're talking about a unit that has personal shields of such strength that it shrugs off a solid few dozen rounds from the C-14, the standard issue Marine rifle

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/C-14_rifle

>In use by 2478, the C-14 fires hypersonic 8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes" which can penetrate up to two inches of steel plating. The rounds themselves are encased in steel.

TLDR shuriken pistols aren't going to do shit

>>48546042
protoss dont have ears, they are a psionic race

how does a death wail effect them?

>>48546145
it's a psionic scream.

>>48546145
The wail is psychic in nature.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Banshee_Mask

>>48546145
Protoss can detect sound.

>>48546131
Shuriken pistols can kill SM in full armor. Which is thicker than two inches of steel plating.

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>>48546194
Yeah, Eldar guns tend to be pretty fucking good, despite looking weak.

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>>48546194
>Which is thicker than two inches of steel plating.

I don't think you know what an inch is.

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>>48545402

>>48546418
He's got over an inch of plating on his hand. His chest significantly more so. His helmet also thicker.

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>>48546131
>>In use by 2478, the C-14 fires hypersonic 8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes" which can penetrate up to two inches of steel plating. The rounds themselves are encased in steel.

A bolter round pierces 8 inches of plasteel and it's well known that a shuriken is superior to the bolter at piercing armor.

>>48547206
>storm bolter
>standard firearm
How the times have changed for non-Grey Knights.

>>48547206
I thought the whole point of bolters was that the rounds explode inside dudes. Surely something that can blast through a foot of steel would just go straight through their enemies and explode behind them.

>>48545402

Really one sided. Banshees are faster as well as more skilled and experienced. Protoss are fucked as soon as they're within earshot. At range, Banshee Howls leave you paralysed as the screams completely fucks your central nervous system. At close range it can outright kill you. Precog won't help you when you're having a seizure on the floor.

And then there's the Exarch. She will wipe the floor with half that squad. Zealots have *gasp* decades of experience! Banshee exarch has millennia.

>>48547516
>decades
centuries**
plus a collective mind of experience

Consider the design of their melee weapon. Wrist blades vs sword.

Historically, only one of those has been used for serious combat.

>>48547439
Barring shooting at xenos made of sponges or similar lack of density, bolt rounds are on a very short fuse.

>>48545402
Eldar are actually incredibly shitty when it comes to combat like that. A better match would be ten zealots versus 10 Vanguard Veteran Space Marines.

Eldar get killed by wooden shrapnel.

>>48545402
I think the Protoss get the edge due to their shields.

The Banshee's shout wouldn't penetrate that, in my mind. And the Psi-Blades of the Zealots would probably fuck up Eldar more than normal weaponry because its a Psi-Weapon hitting a psychically attuned species.

It'd be pretty close. I'd say two or three Protoss survive after the battle.

>>48547529

No, it's decades. Says so on the SC2 website.

>"Ever eager for advancement, they train for decades in hand-to-hand combat, tactics, pain tolerance and martial discipline."

>>48547529
Actually its we do not have concrete number on how ancient protoss are. They say they live for aeos, but they are uplifted by another race? they still have tribal society, their "aoens" can be shorter then ours so i think protoss actually younger than human race.

>>48546131
>8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes"
You know what's better at piercing armor ?

Discs that are only a few molecules thick.

>>48547588

>Eldar get killed by wooden shrapnel.

Remember that GK that got killed by a wooden spear? Banshees kill marines as easily as Orks.

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>>48546194
No they don't. Shuriken weapons STRUGGLE to penetrate power armor as seen when the traitors of the Avenging Sons Chapter clashed with Eldar Corsairs. The Cosairs struggled to penetrate power armor with shuriken weaponry and it took repeated hits to score kills. Shurikens are meant as anti light infantry weapons, good for murdering scores of guardsmen. Against armored targets they're awful and lack mass necessary to put shit down.

>>48546418
Jesus fucking christ, howbout you piss off with your bullshit fan fiction picture. This is what a space marine looks like without armor on according to canon.

Btw if we compare terran marine armor to power armor, then protoss golden plate even more stronger since it has 1 base armor, and marine has 0.

>>48546418
Space Marine armor is more than 2 inches at its thickest, and has defensive characteristics superior to steel.

Sorry, your fagdoss aren't shrugging these shots off.

>>48547590

Even if shields could for whatever reason block psychic attacks, they have to drop them in order to use physical contact-based psionic abilities. They're dead the moment the Banshees reach them.

>>48547645
No they don't. Space Marines uttelry slaughter Banshees considering that Craftworlds have frequently gotten trashed by them. Craftworlds have millions to billions of Eldar on them, and for example the Invaders Chapter destroyed an entire Craftworld. That means at minimum that a thousand space marines took on MILLIONS of Eldar and slaughtered them. Same with the Sons of Orar when they attacked Alaitoc with the backup of the local Guard Regiments- they nearly had destroyed Alaitoc and only stopped because it turned out that their cause was false and spawned from heresy, and they weren't willing to meet mutually assured destruction from the Eldar naval reinforcements that popped out of the Webway.

>>48547665
>No they don't. Shuriken weapons STRUGGLE to penetrate power armor

>can
>being possible
>which it is

>>48547704
Anon, a lucky lasbolt can kill a Marine in Terminator Armor.

>>48547696
They slash the shit out of people through the shields in the SC games.

And why wouldn't the shields block Psi-based attacks when the Protoss are a Psychic species? Their weapons are concentrated Psi-Energy, as are their shields. I have always assumed that as well.

>>48547696
They dont drop shields. And i think dont having a cheap charge upgrade for zealots is unfair, since its the soul of the unit. Its like having templars without storm, what the point.

>>48547728
Feedback and archons?

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>>48547644
>you know what's superior to 8mm spikes with a shitload of mass and velocity
>thin discs only a few molecules thick

Nigga do you even physics? Realistically shurikens should be fucking useless, and their virtually zero mass should result in them splintering harmlessly against armor. High velociites plus low mass does not lend itself well at all to armor penetration, you need heavy shaped objects traveling at an ideal speed. Go too slow and they fail and ping off, go too fast and they shatter on the armor and do minimal damage. This for example is why the US hasn't increased the power of the cannons on the Abrams Tank- any faster would REDUCE penetration.

Of course the spiker should also suffer from this as well, because hypersonic metal spikes would have reduced penetration compared to just being fired at supersonic speeds. So they wouldn't simply explode on contact.

>>48547665

>Shurikens are meant as anti light infantry weapons

I don't think you've ever read anything on Shuriken weapons, because you're talking absolute shite. They're universally good at anti-infantry because of a high volume of fire and mono-molecular ammunition. They kill terminators with concentrated fire as they fire hundreds of shots in a single second and it only takes one shot to find its way through an eye lens or respirator to kill.

>>48547719
Then phoenix died his psiblade turns off because zerg destroyed all the pylons.
And emp destroys shields.
So one might think: Blades - projection of psipowers of the whole race through pylons, shield - energy technological thing

>>48547704
There is a gulf of difference between 'can' and 'effective'. I can kill a a knight in full plate armor with a single crossbow bolt, but only if I'm really, really, really lucky.

>>48547718
Yes, it can.

>>48547736
Clearly the discs are made of some incredibly strong substance just to survive the air friction between the gun and the target.

>>48547731
Yeah, build templars for feedback. Good luck with that.

>>48547719
The shields are psi powered, but tech focused.

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>>48547700

>Marine fag comes into thread that has nothing to do with marines to wank marines
>Hasn't even read the codex entry on Banshees
>Doesn't know the entire point of Banshees is to kill marines and MEQ
>References a book series where Striking Scorpions slaughtered marines in every single skirmish they had with them despite being anti-light infantry specialists

Classic marine-fag.

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>>48547737
>it only takes one shot to find its way through an eye lens or respirator to kill
Make way for the Lasgun.

>>48547718
Yeah but shuriken weapons don't just have to rely on a failed save to bypass marine armor like a lasgun does.

>>48547748
Or you know how to aim and are in effective range for penetrating his armor.

>>48547728

Yes they do drop shields in CC. They make a point of it in the graphic novels.

>>48547779
How fucking tzinch could not make someone invent mobile guidance computers to oneshot all the space marines?

>>48547779
>lasguns have rending

>>48547737
Somebody should tell the writers that then, because they certainly don't agree. We've seen the Craftworld Eldar in combat often in the novels and codices, and they almost always get their asses kicked because they're GW's little punching bag in the fluff. From getting out-maneuvered by the Ultramarines despite having a Farseer council, losing an entire Craftworld to a single Chapter, completely ignoring their chief greatest seer of the species (and getting nommed by Tyranids), the constant deaths of the Avatar in the most embarrassing fashion, getting their asses kicked by the Avenging Sons, and dying from wooden pieces of shrapnel penetrating armor, etc.

Cratworld Eldar don't perform well at fucking all in the fluff excluding most of the Phoenix Lords. Although even Jain Zar got her ass handed to her by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines and Karandras got mulched by a Dreadnought.

Dark Eldar and Harlequins of course perform much, much, much better. Harlequins are pretty much gods of melee.

>>48547793
>know how to aim and are in effective range for penetrating his armor
Lucky for us, /k/ isn't here. A knight'd shoot you before that happen.

>>48547779

Not mono-molecular is it?

>>48547809
>mobile guidance computers
A.I. or Machine Spirit guided?

>>48547793
Not against late medieval/early modern plate armor, which will no sell a crossbow bolt and glance it off, not to mention that a crossbow bolt will only cause flesh wounds if it manages to penetrate. Aiming a crossbow is also a joke against fast moving targets.

>>48547639
Raszagal was about a thousand years old and remembered being exiled from Aiur as a child.

>>48547821
If lasguns are truly laser guns, they'd be energy.

>>48547831
Neither, you dont need fucking spirit or intellect to do guidance computations. Fucking calculator and few motors will do that.

>>48547848
Year is a period of time for Earth to orbit the Sun once. Our Earth. Auir can orbit faster. Or slower.

>>48547818

BL is shit and ignores codex fluff? Wowee! Just read the muntorm and codex entries on what the weapon is actually designed for. They are very good at anti-armour.

>Although even Jain Zar got her ass handed to her by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines and Karandras got mulched by a Dreadnought.

I've read those novels. None of that happened. Jain Zar killed a dozen of Talos' honour guard with kicks and punches. She didn't take a single hit. Compare that to Curze who got shanked twice by ten marines. She then effortlessly beat Talos who ignited his fusion pack and a clutch of grenades in an attempt to suicide kill her. He died, she didn't. It took a dreadnaught to follow. The Night Lords warband suffered a crushing defeat with only a handful escaping Jain's forces. Karandras didn't even fight the dreadnaught. He pushed Morlaniath and the former Incubi out the way whilst catching the Dreads claw. He died for less than a paragraph before getting back up and hunting down the dread.

So yeah, you're clearly full of shit and are trying to bend facts here.

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>>48547855
>Fucking calculator and few motors will do that

>>48547860
Good thing she was a thousand "of your Terran years" old then.

>>48547880
What about the time Asurman failed to stop Chaos cultists from igniting a Chaos weapon.

Or the story from Eternal Crusade where Jain Zar dies and gets thrown into the Warp.

>>48547855
>Fucking calculator

>[BINARY KANT INTENSIFIES]

>>48547880
Actually it's perfectly in line with Codex fluff as Codex fluff is what has a thousand or so space marines killing millions to billions of Eldar.

And no, Jain Zar did get her ass kicked because what actually happened was her getting slowly bled, and even getting shanked in the ankle by a dying Chaos Space Marine. She then got blown up by Talos, which frankly makes her pretty dogshit considering the closest thing that Eldar have to a Primarch shouldn't be taken out by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines. Phoenix Lords are supposed to be army-slaughtering power houses like Maugan Ra, who killed millions of Tyranids all by himself and cut a Bio-Titan in half.

Likewise Karandras shouldn't have been killed by a slow moving Dreadnought considering Eldar are capable of moving at supersonic speeds, especially a Phoenix Lord.

>>48545907
Zealots have a short range dash that they can do, at least in SC2.

>>48547936

The same stories where Asurmen destroys those very same chaos weapons along with the Daemon Prince trying to use it? The same story where Jain comes back two short stories later? What about the bit before it where she killed a Hive Tyrant to use as a ramp to run up and kill the DA captain effortlessly?

I like how upon getting called out for complete bullshit, you just changed the subject.

How about that time Curze couldn't take those ten marines whereas Jain could? Remember when Guilliman got his ass beat by a squad when he was in custody and didn't have his armour. How about we get stated on all Vulkan's pathetic deaths? The man is afraid of forks.

>>48545819

And most importantly one has a bolter.

>>48547950
I wonder how some Eldar can have Guardians throw away their lives so easily considering their supposed worth.

>>48547962
Needs an upgrade.

>>48547972
>I like how upon getting called out for complete bullshit, you just changed the subject.

I am not the same guy you were talking to before. I was curious to see your response to these events.

>>48547950

>Killing an entire warband down to less than a dozen men is "getting your ass kicked"
>Talos succeeds in killing only himself
>This all happens in their own novel

Jain outperformed a primarch. Just read what happened to Curze when he faced only ten Night Lords.

>>48547950
>has a thousand or so space marines killing millions to billions of Eldar.

I think we might be waiting for a source on that a very long time...

>>48548022
>GHOSTCRUSHER

>Ghostcrusher became legend due to the horrific deeds enacted on Craftworld Ila-Manesh. In 326.M33 a huge warband of the Night Lords descended from the darkness of the Warp on a mission of revenge. Their aim was simply to eradicate the world’s spirit stones, many of which had previously been stolen from the crone world of Aesyl-Sar. While delivering justice for this past Eldar sin, the Night Lords unleashed several Defilers. One of these, Ghostcrusher, stood out as a particularly savage machine beast. The Daemon Engine spearheaded a Night Lords assault upon the Shrine of Eldanesh, incinerating ancient tomes, crushing sacred totems, destroying spirit stones and burning the Guardians who attempted to prevent the desecration. So thorough were the Night Lords in their assault on Ila-Manesh that they left the craftworld a tomb, with no artifacts and no living Eldar remaining.

>>48547950
>was her getting slowly bled

Where? Up until Talos killed himself she was literally going 'NYOHOHOHOHOHOO' and giving him a gold clap after walking straight through a dozen marines who only managed a single scratch across her chest piece.

>>48548038

I don't see any numbers there. Was this an Idharae sized craftworld? How many warbands and daemons?

>>48548022
Except it already exists, and is called the 6th Edition Space Marine Codex? The Invaders Chapter destroyed the entire Craftworld of Idharae. This means they at least went toe to toe with millions, potentially billions of Eldar and slaughtered them all. We know from the Iyanden Supplement that the Eldar aren't really dying out, considering large craftworlds have populations either the same as modern earth or even greater.

>>48548009
And we also have fluff of Primarchs butchering Avatars of Khaine and slaughtering platoons worth of Marines while shrugging off artillery shells.

>>48548050
A single warband. It can't be above 1000 marines.

>>48548039
She got tagged by glances and a knife was shoved into her leg by a dying chaos space marine she taunted.

Again, a proper Phoenix Lord should hav

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>>48548061
>We know from the Iyanden Supplement that the Eldar aren't really dying out, considering large craftworlds have populations either the same as modern earth or even greater.

No, you don't. Iyanden was simply the most populous Craftworld before the Tyranids attacked.

I like how the Eldarfags disregard their lore when it suits them.

>>48548109
*should have slaughtered all 100 Night Lords without getting killed. Maugan Ra or Fuegan could have done it, but Jain Zar apparently is just really, really shitty.

>>48548121
Which was basically retconned by the Iyanden Supplement, as we know at their height prior to ignoring Eldrad for no fucking reason (retardation), they had a population in the BILLIONS. Basic logic tells us that if the norm for large Craftworlds like Iyanden is billions, then the other ones have millions easily.

Also the doom of the Eldar is totally overblown if we count the Dark Eldar, of whom there are countless trillions given the sheer size of the Dark City. You might as well go bitch at GW for having no sense of scale.

How does an SC2 marine compare to a guardsman, assuming no upgrades or special equipment?

>>48548090

We also have them dying to cutlery, being wounded by Shuriken fire and getting strangled by Orks. No wait, that was the Emperor. If we're searching for worst moments here you're giving me the advantage. Primarch fuck ups and deaths are way more common thanks to the HH.

>>48548121
Disregard the Eldarfags bit. That guy isn't one but the sentiment is still valid.

As for Eldar numbers, Gav-T aka the Loremaster and Eldar expert said in an interview that he sees the numbers of Eldar on major craftworlds in the low tens of millions while minor craftworlds are in the hundreds of thousands.

>>48548121

Just because the population fell eventually doesn't mean other large craftworlds can be in the same ballpark. Kelly stated in an interview craftworlds can number from millions to billions in population. It's retarded to assume that a ship the size of a planet has a population smaller than a city.

>>48548180
Which is directly contradicted by published material, and therefore irrelevant.

Not to mention it was Gav Thorpe who had a Striking Scorpion die to a spike of wood going through his armor.

>>48547700
Not all craft world's are equally populated. Also how many civy learn just left via a Web way when the invasion occurred? Most likely alot

>no one understands all the fluff is a bunch of propaganda bullshit and hyperbole by whatever side is telling the story to make it sound better/more monstrous to benefit them

>>48548203
Eldar do NOT flee when the Craftworld is under attack, they band together and fight as the Guardian Militia. Losing a Craftworld is a horrible fate and if any of your family is in the Infinity Circuit, it means they'll all get fed to Slaanesh.

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>>48548178
Vulkan tanked an Ork gravity planetary weapon that shattered the mountains and earth's crust.

He also went toe and toe and exchanged blows with the Beast who was the avatar of the Ork entire species and more warp being that a creature of flesh.

These feats are beyond long ears.

>>48548009
Angron can benchpress a Titan, Curze is but a mere bitch.

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>>48548205
That's a lie anon.

>>48548180
>Gav-T aka the Loremaster

You mean the single most retconned eldar author? The guy that tries to push the whole Khaine is Khorne + Slaanesh angle and is constantly ignored? The guy that had all his changes to war-masks immediately retconned by every book and codex to follow?

Kelly states in interviews they can be much larger. This is corroborated by other authors who show them as such. Gav gets cucked all the time seeing as he hardly has any input anymore.

>>48548154
No, it wasn't retconned. The exact same text is found in the 7th ED Craftworld dex.

And in the Dark Eldar dex Iyanna says something to the effect that Dark Eldar are suffering and dying their own way. Also "Khaine's Gate".

>>48548214

He also went down to a fork and got fucked up by said long ears with catapults. And there he is struggling with warbosses like his dad.

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>>48548228
> Khaine is Khorne + Slaanesh angle and is constantly ignored?

Guy Haley is a believer..

>>48547567
Historically neither of them have been made out of fucking plasma though.

>>48548169
A marine completely outclasses a guardsmen. Power armour and hypersonic weapons put them closer to (though still far outclassed by) Space Marines.

>>48548274
Would a better comparison be a marine to a sister of battle?

>>48548270
Or psychic energy whatever.

>>48548311
Didn't early sisters of battle wreck space marine face?

>>48548311
More like a Tempestus Scion. From the trailers Starcraft Marine power armor has REALLY thin plates mounted on an exoskeleton. Most of what they wear isn't actually armor, just the powered piece of the suit. Even Sisters Power Armor is still pretty damn good compared to what they wear.

>>48548169
Starcraft Marines are basically Guardsmen in Space Marine gear, except replace the xenophobia and religious fervor with xenophobia and inbreeding.

Marine armor is pretty well impenetrable to chemically propelled firearms (which is to say, our modern guns), but their guns fire chunks of metal the size of your fist at 30 times the speed of sound, so that really only matters when they're terrorizing civilians - against similarly-armed opponents they may as well be wearing nothing. The average lifespan on a marine in combat is 8 seconds. This is off-set by the fact that they're generally death-row criminals pumped full of neuro-stims and good old fashioned nationalism, so no one cares when they get gibbed by their own tanks.

>>48548329

That's why they were initially created, yes. To fight off marines. The original Sisters fought the marines to a bloody standstill and it only ended when Alicia Dominca killed off Vandire.

>>48548352
There's no way thin as shit Marine armor would stand up to modern HMG's.

>>48548217

>Needing gains to fuck with titans

Eldrad has broken titans with his mind. Get on his level monkeigh.

>>48548389
Are you talking about starcraft marines or space marines? Because space marine armour is made of scifi unobtanium stuff like ceramite (and sometimes adamantium), whereas regular starcraft marine armour is (neo)steel stated to be more concerned about protecting the operator from his rifle's recoil than trying to stop the hypersonic spikes they shoot.

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>>48548421
No, anon. Angron IS the gains.
>Eldrad has broken titans with his mind
Pfffft please

>>48548428
Starcraft Marines. What we see in the trailer has plates mounted on top of an exoskeleton that look about as thick and durable as the armor on a hummer.

>Thread that has nothing to do with marines
>Becomes nothing but Marine wank

If /tg/ could just learn about something that isn't fucking marines... We need to deport those fucks back to /v/ so they can wank there in their terrible 40k threads.

>>48548456
this is that common? I'm not a /tg/ regular, I just got into a conversation with my /tg/ buddy about what would happen if godzilla landed in azeroth, which evolved into a discussion about godzilla in the 40k universe, which made me think up this debate.

>>48548456
>We need to deport those fucks back to /v/
Says the nigga who is pitting a banshee against a fucking /v/ character.

How do reapers compare with seraphim considering both are jetpack infantry and both dual-wield pistols.

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>>48548439

He did so without needing to sell his boyhole to Chaos. Go back to getting nothing done in the warp ya red rent boy.

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>>48548456
I just like to shit on the other factions of 40k to remind them that GW doesn't love them as much as Space Marines. It's why I sometimes pretend to be a taufag simply because their love by GW exceeds even Space Marines.

>>48548456
Starcraft does the same thing as 40k, which is make up a hypothetical super tough yet light material to serve as armour to justify it's existence. Hard to compare something to a real world tech level when it is explicitly beyond it.

>>48548484

I'm not OP. That'd be the guy with OP in the namefield. Difficult I know.

>>48548482

I've seen it happen a bunch. Thread will start off on topic for a bit, but then some faggot just has to come in and go *Marine rips of your head and shits down your neck*.

>>48548492
Wow.

Much impress.

Very skill.

Meanwhile Khayon the Beta Psyker of the Thousand Sons destroyed all life on an entire planet by throwing a 3 kilometer ship from space.

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>>48548492
>Eldrad's body is slowly turning to psychic crystal
Ouch. Can only think of pic related.

>>48548498
>It's why I sometimes pretend to be a taufag simply because their love by GW exceeds even Space Marines.

So you're delusional and a fanboy faggot! Well done on ruining threads and proving yourself to be cancer.

>>48548482
"40k vs X" is exceedingly common, yes, and given that Space Marines are the "main faction," they are inevitably the ruler by which everything else in the setting is measured, which of course turns into "your ruler is 15 inches long fuck you."

>>48548505
disappointing. I've been slowly getting more interested in 40k thanks to the DOW games, and I've found I love the aesthetic of the dark eldar as well as their background lore, and I enjoy playing as the IG in the games.

I like a lot of the ideas and seeing how hilariously over the top things are. not surprising though that there are so many people that obsessed with the space marines, considering how much attention they get.

>>48548515
Not much of a fanboy, I just enjoy pissing fans off. The result is always hilarious.

>>48548510

Was that before or after Ulthwe cucked them out the Black Library three times in a row?

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>>48548531

>Is so mad about Kauyon/Montka that he falseflags them
>I-I'm not a marine fanboy

You're right, this IS hilarious. You're the single most pathetic person on 4chan right now.

>>48548529
>not surprising though that there are so many people that obsessed with the space marines, considering how much attention they get.
Well, they're relatable. Big men in big armour. I found about 40k while I was looking about power armour...having seen it in Halo in my teens. I'm glad I found true space marines.
Elves...I guess everyone is entitled to his opinion

>>48548587

>Brainwashed as children into unquestioning, dogmatic loyalty
>Worshipped as angels
>Live only for their Emperor
>relatable

Marines are many things. Relatable is not one of them. They're larger than life power fantasies.

>>48548542
Khayon is Black Legion, not a Thousand Sons anymore.

>>48548617
>>Brainwashed as children into unquestioning, dogmatic loyalty
How is Elementary school not relatable to you, anon? :^)

>>48548587
but if they want relatable, wouldn't that fit the IG more then?

>>48548379
>The original Sisters fought the marines to a bloody standstill and it only ended when Alicia Dominca killed off Vandire.

And this point has remained consistent even with the various lore-nerfs they've had over the years.

>>48548617
>>Brainwashed as children

There are no space marine children. And the fluffnis, and has always been, very, very clear that the marines are separate from the Ecclesiarchy and refuse their authority, period. Space Marines have religious autonomy.

>>48548691
Maybe I said it wrong, english isn't my native language. What I tried to say was that the concept of a enhanced soldier encased in a powered exoskeleton is a recurrent one -- you don't have to think too hard to imagine them.

>>48548775
relatable implies that you could see yourself in their position. what you describe is more of a 'trope'

>>48548617
>power fantasy

Ehhhh. I would take being turned into a space marine, but that's only because I'd take any shot at extending my sorry diseased life by a couple more centuries. Space Marines really don't have nice lives that don't look preferable unless the other choice is 'death'. I'd much rather be a Tech Priest in 40k.

>>48548831
>I'd much rather be a Tech Priest in 40k.
Yeeeeeah. Most of them get around their day fixing stuff or researching, which is what they love to do. And mechadentrites sound like something I'd like to have.
Say, those Banshees did defeat the Protoss zealots?
I thought they would have a 3+/5++, have the GK's psyker gimmicks and wield power swords with, you guessed, Zealot and Fleet.

>>48548270
True, but irrelevant. The reasons why swords have been used for serious combat but wrist blades have not remain true even with plasma/psychic blades.

There are moves that can be done with swords that can't be done with wrist blades. But, if you can hold the sword in line with your arm, you can do everything with it that you can do with a wrist blade.

Zergling vs. Hormigaunt?

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>>48548926
Yeah Techpriests also have greater autonomy and once you reach a point of leadership, you really can do whatever the fuck you want and answer to none. And you get what is basically power armor for your body and live until you die in an accident.

And the main killer for the Banshees is that the Zealot has a shield. Even if it's not on the same level of power as an iron halo/rosarius but something more like a Halo Spartan shield, that still allows them to survive some hits with no damage.

Banshees.

Zealots are well...zealots. They're disciplined soldiers

>>48547736
>High velociites plus low mass does not lend itself well at all to armor penetration
That isn't how space physics works.

>>48548169
As much as the Guardsman has superior weapons, the default SC2 marine is still in power armor, and has large weapons to compensate.
That said, the fucking Flashlights would still be the better weapon.

>>48547317
Since they mention Genestealers and Storm Bolters, I'm assuming it's from Space Hulk, where all the Space Marines are Terminators.