Jumpchain CYOA Thread #987: Imaginary Evil Edition

>>48521914
So, are there any perks to convince people I'm only imaginary?

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Do you like fish sticks, /jc/?

>>48521937
South Park jump when?

>>48521955
Wait, we don't have one? How?

>>48521955
>tfw when we'll never get to hang with chef and listen to his amazing, smooth bass voice.

I miss Isaac Hayes.

Are there any perks useful for keeping things secret within a small group (or alternatively, a large one- say, one billion?)

>>48521976
No idea.

Speaking of, anons, what are some settings you're constantly surprised haven't been made into a jump yet?

>>48522038
I think technically the Secret Keeper spell from Harry Potter would work for both.

It's a funky piece of magic.

>>48522030
Scientology jump when?

>>48522049
Crysis
Improbable Island
His Dark Materials Trilogy

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Well, a small update. All of the backgrounds are now free.

Can Anyone put x-men update on google drive or post it here?

>>48522049
Archie Comics Sanic.

>>48522049
V for Vendetta
The Incredibles

>>48522066
>Crysis

That could work really well as a gauntlet

>>48522049
.Hack
Donkey Kong
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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>>48522071
>archie comics
>daring to suffer the risk of being written by Ken Penders before being retconned out of existence by the Genesis Wave
NOT AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO GET ON THE RIDE AGAIN.

>>48522075
>The Incredibles
Still working on it, anon. Just really slow. Sorry.

>>48522049
I am continuously shocked we have Twilight, but not Mortal Instruments.

For that matter, I would like a House of Night jump, just to complete the shitty teen romance saga.

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>>48522054
We already have that, optionally.
It's called Dead Space.

Some anon is working on The Incredibles, actually. Some truly based anon.

>>48522087
>spoiler
pic related

>>48522129
>pic related

Tell me I'm wrong anon.

>>48522119
Everyone gets on the ride.

>>48522049
Shining Force?

>>48522049
I'd love a Pathfinder jump and any version of a TMNT jump. I also think we need more endjumps.

>>48522125
>Mortal Instruments
I'd love that. It's a pretty well-made setting, ridiculous romance plot aside.

>>48522153
>Tell me I'm wrong anon.
Okay.
You're wrong.
Doesn't need to be made into a Gauntlet.
It's not so special that it breaks the mold and has to be treated differently than 99% of IPs.
It's literally just super-tech and ayy lmaos, which is something the pops up in roughly 1/5 of all jumps.

>>48522125
>Mortal Instruments
Incest is not wincest anon.

>>48522205
Someone's working on Pathfinder.

At least I hope they're still working on it.

Evolve Jumpmaker here:

Origins are all about halfway done perk-wise, Monster customization's at about 10% or so. Alt-Form import's got a drawback (not mandatory, but exclusive to them) but I'm unsure as to what the details should be other than "every Hunter's gunning for you, and while they aren't any stronger as individuals their weapons will ignore any out-of-jump defenses you have." And that's just unimaginative.

Debating on a few perks - one themed around Kala's experimentation with the Monsters' DNA and thus becoming something more than human or beast, another around the fact that the Monsters can eat the Bohrium found on Shear and use it to supercharge their evolutionary processes.

As always, suggestions & such are accepted. Going to wait until I have a WIP 0.9 before I post.

>>48522232
It wasn't incest or wincest, but rather the illusion of it.

>>48522049
South Park, as you've already mentioned.
Artemis Fowl, though I think SB was working on a version that had problems.
Some kind of Kart Racing jump.
Charmed.
Sonic SatAm/comics, since the Sonic jump we have now focuses on the games, though I think some anon said they were working on it.
Pact, and maybe Twig, is surprising to me, given how much everyone talks about the Worm jump.
Maybe Fairly Odd Parents, though in all honesty something like that would be next to impossible to balance. Really, I just want a Secret Wish drawback, because that was a really dark and interesting twist on the concept of maintaining the status quo in shows.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, with a scenario that extends past the jump where you're tasked with doing researching for a new "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Multiverse," and if you do a good job you get a promotion post-spark.

I'm surprised we don't have a shitty Simpsons jump yet either.
>0 CP Treehouse of Horror drawback where shit happens on Halloween, but the death rules are suspended. Or, +300 and the rules aren't suspended
>0 CP Simpsons did it drawback where your previous adventures keep getting parodied
>They'll Never Stop the Simpsons drawback where the status quo keeps anything from changing, and you'll be there for what's implied to be centuries

>>48522049
The Silmarillion
Metroid
Powerpuff Girls
Dexter's Lab
Planescape: Torment
Baldur's Gate
Sim City

>>48522241
Didn't they later find out that they really were siblings?

>>48522112
>Donkey Kong

>No style, no grace, and a funny face are all drawbacks
>Mario is the 600 CP "you're fucked" drawback enemy

>>48522049
All the WoD splats.

>>48522249
>Secret Wish
What's this?

>>48522269
Only in the sense that the boy was raised by the girl's father.

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>>48522169
>pic related

>>48522049
>Darkwing Duck
>TMNT
>Powerpuff Girls
>Advent Rising
>Scion
>NWoD Werewolf
>Tron
The list goes on.

>>48522269
No, they found out in the last book that they were in fact NOT relate.
They'd both just been fed Angel blood as babbys, and the protagonist's father lied to them and led them to believe they were siblings.

No true blood relation.

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>>48522249
>Farly Odd Parents
Casual reminder that apparently in a later season they decided that Timmy had made a covert wish that made everything stay the same for at least 50 straight years

Seriously what

>Love Live jump
>high quality rips drawback

>>48522232
Despite it not being incest at all in that case, I have to disagree on the central point.

>>48522249
>Pact, and maybe Twig, is surprising to me, given how much everyone talks about the Worm jump.
Pact and Twig simply aren't as popular as Worm was. Pact has serious issues (even beyond what Worm has), since Wildbow had some RL issues come up or something. Been a while, but he's talked about it a few times.

Twig is still in progress.

Would definitely make good jumps, though.

>I'm surprised we don't have a shitty Simpsons jump yet either.
>0 CP Treehouse of Horror drawback where shit happens on Halloween, but the death rules are suspended. Or, +300 and the rules aren't suspended
>0 CP Simpsons did it drawback where your previous adventures keep getting parodied
>They'll Never Stop the Simpsons drawback where the status quo keeps anything from changing, and you'll be there for what's implied to be centuries
Sounds like you should make it yourself.

>>48522249
>Sonic SatAM
I checked the archives, that's being worked on.

>>48522049
Metroid. Jesus Christ how is that not a Jump yet?

Oh, and Thundercats.

>>48522297
See>>48522320
Basically, Timmy wished to Cosmo that nothing would ever change, then wished for Cosmo to forget about it. That was revealed to be the reason for stuff why nobody ever got any older, and why none of the characters ever went up a grade in spite of the "last day of school" episodes.

When the wish was discovered, Timmy estimated that things had been like this for around 50 years.

>>48522360
What's Twig about?

>>48522320
Electric Chinese Batman would be a good Jump.

>>48522383
What the fuck?

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>>48522374
We have one.

>>48522374
Apparently it was being made? First by one jumpmaker, then another who came along without realizing the first was doing it, they both started collaborating...

And then they both just disappeared.
Names were South and Jack. Not the Cracker_Jack we have, but a different Jack.

>>48522383
>things had been like this for around 50 years.
That sounds like one of those wishes that should've been against the rules. But, now I'm remembering that he also somehow got away with wishing for it to be Christmas everyday.

>>48522399
2011 doesn't count.

>>48522399
I believe anon is taking about the original Thndercats.

>>48522393
I've had thoughts about it, anon. I just don't know how to handle the possibility of Contractor powers.

Not really picking them, I'd personally just go for a pick-and-choose model, since you'd only get it as a Contractor, but rather which powers to offer and which obeisances to offer, and whether each power has a specific obeisance or you pick a power and obeisance independently.

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Guess what I've got. A newly finished jump! Well,unless someone points out something I stupidly forgot to add, this should be done.

>>48522419
It WAS against the rules. When someone finally figured it out, Timmy was actually put on trial for it. He got to keep his fairies at the end of it, but the wish was undone, he got a very stern lecture, and I'm pretty sure he lost a lot of respect from the whole thing.

>>48522295
How many splats are there that aren't jumps of yet?

>>48522425
>>48522441
Oh. Derpity derp, my bad.

>>48522407
Pretty much. I have both WIPs stored in case something changes, but that well and truly sucks.

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v.2

I haven't added psychokinesis, or the science perks yet, but I really would like productive feed back

Are there any other jumpchain PDFs as fuckhuge as the FFXIV one?

>>48522468
Cool.

>>48522517
Light of Terra maybe

>>48522466
I'd say do pick and choose, but maybe do a tier system and require an obeisance from the same tier.

>>48522383
Wait, so a kid gets shat on for starting WWI but enforcing the status quo for 50 years is a-Ok?

>>48522385
Honestly can't give you a good answer; I'm avoiding it until it's finished. Worm was enough of a roller-coaster for me.

You can check the description on the site: https://twigserial.wordpress.com/about/

>>48522419
Even the crazier jumpers would be appalled by how recklessly Timmy wields amazing magical power.

>>48522538
Oh, whoops. Didn't see >>48522470

>>48522510
Fuck off. I don't want you to ruin the thread anymore by encouraging shitposting.

>>48522393
>>48522466
I actually considered making it a while back, and wrote up a bit of a skeleton for it. Then I lost interest.

>pick a power and obeisance independently
This is kinda what I went for. You would purchase a power (or roll for one or something). Obeisance would be a roll, but there would be several different tables. For free, you would roll on the shit table ("break your own fingers," "drink the blood of children), for a small amount you roll on a table of annoying obeisances, for a mid amount you roll on a table of unnoticeable obeisances, and for the most you either don't have an obeisance, or the obeisance is slightly beneficial (de-aging).

>>48522510
>still posting after the thread shited on you the last time you posted this lewd trash

>>48522393
Italian Spiderman could make for a fun "serious jump of a joke setting" style jump.

>>48522517
Ragnarok is pretty big, though I think it is smaller.

>>48522510
I will probably catch a lot of hate for saying anything, but how about a drawback where you are one of Ran/Ren's race and you swap genders and personalities each time you sneeze and if you make it all the way through at the end of the jump you wind up with an opposite sex clone with a copy of your powers from the jump as a companion?

>>48522561
Forgive my naivete, but I don't see the issue?

Doesn't look like the best Jump ever, but the same could be said of a lot of them.

>>48522540
Well it sounds like your basic garden variety biopunk, but knowing Wildbow the bullshit levels will rise to dangerously unbelievable levels about halfway through.

>>48522561
>>48522579
Samefag detected.

>>48522533
>tier system
What would qualify a power for each tier, though? A lot of the powers tend to be something incredibly specific that needs work to make use of. So, maybe organize it by the amount of limitations that come with it?

But then by that logic, Hei's power That is, just the electrical stuff, not the quantum bullshit would be on one of the lowest tiers, due to the conductive medium restrictions, wouldn't it?

>>48522575
...Or that could work too, without the rolling, maybe. Obeisances would be easy to do, come to think of it. The tricky thing is the powers.

>>48522468
...I know I'm being very, very stupid, but I so have to take Jumper's Inferno. I can make it fair at least, right? I don't have to make it IWBtG levels of random shit killing me without any way of knowing it'll happen?

>>48522468
Looks really good. If I may make a suggestion, since you have a drawback where any movie made about your game sucks, maybe have a drawback where you have to make an actually good video game movie?

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>>48522594
>Italian Spiderman

>>48522470
>Trap the reality in stasis for 50 years and violate a major rule on using your wishes.
>Get off with practically no consequences whatsoever just like always.
Yep, sounds like the show still hasn't changed in 10 years.

>>48522601
As best I can tell the big issue is that there is a lot echi bullshit in this harem anime. I don't think its any worse than DxD, but its got laser cannons and a safe FtL system that crosses the galaxy so I"m down for it.

>>48522598
Holy fuck, and now other jump makers are shitposting trying to push their fetish in the thread. I feel ashamed to say I didn't realize it wasn't all shitposting all along.

>>48522601
He's the shitposter. Whenever To Love Ru is posted he complains about it being 'lewd trash'. He's like a broken goddamn record.

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>>48522632
Since when were you under the impression that the wish was unwished?

>>48522510
I'd give Pop Star more a description of actually being good at pop star stuff, right now it's only a song-writing perk.

Why're you going with a 100/200/300/? perk spread?

Maybe write out the perks a bit more in general? That may just be me though.

>>48522598
This seems fun.

>>48522616
Fair? No. You're on autopilot, essentially, with the intent to make the most difficult game ever. At most you could add frequent rest stops, but they would probably be temporary and last a short time. Otherwise, good luck anon.

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Gamer/Minion Master Requires Tossing.

The Gamer Chain-
Concept-Overlord Native-Chain, a Gamer like Ainz who got sucked into the New World. Built the way I would build a character for an MMO, Minions and Buffs for Minions.
Has a Gamer mind-set for most of the chain, trying to exploit anything he can, and to get more Minions and Buffs.

Companions- Forsetti, Gnarl, Lilith, Mooks, Lupa d'Angela, Akitsu, Yashima, Haihane, Waddle Dees, Heather, Genie, Female Hades, Felyne(Not named), Arianrhod

>>48522049
Any of the Artix Games, those used to be really popular
Tales of Maj'Eyal
Dominions
Divinity games other than Dragon Commander
Any of the Paradox games
Dawn of War
Sunless Sea(though that's being worked on supposedly)
Scion
Exalted
Spore
Orcs Must Die, hell I'm surprised we don't even have a "generic tower defense"
I'm surprised there isn't a Joke Jump of Godus
Is there an Age of Wonders jump? If there isn't I'm surprised.

>>48522616
>IWBtG
There's another entry for our "I can't believe we don't have a jump of it yet" pile.

I Want to be the Guy would probably work really well as a gauntlet. Death doesn't matter at all, you can keep trying as long as you have enough will to keep going, you fail the gauntlet by giving up and going to the next jump. Do it like Shivers, where you're either reduced to bodymod or everything scales to your powers.

>>48522623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvNLlwkwP64

>>48522684
Ugh, nevermind. I hate games that require you to memorize them instead of just gitting gud.

>>48522681
Thats a good point about pop star, I may expand it to something more general.

As for the current tree costs I may go 1,2,4,6 instead the biggest issue is balancing Golden Darkness versus the other capstones.

>>48522692
The problem is, what does it have to offer besides Being the Guy? You double-jump, shoot, and die horribly. Try stretching that into 12 perks and some reasonable number of items.

>>48522681
>Indulging this garbage with constructive criticism

>>48522716
You won't have to memorize the game, you could try to just get good. The game itself is variable and dependent on what kind of game you want to make. But it will be the biggest challenge of your life to beat it.

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>>48522689
>Any of the Artix Games, those used to be really popular
I'll get back to working on DragonFable now, won't be doing AQ until I'm finished with DF.
Also DF is like 10 years old now, holy fuck.

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>>48522068
Rosario + Vampire
> Age: 11
> Location: Youkai Acadamey
> Background: Normal Student
> Race: Youko [-200CP]
> Human Form [Get a Freebie!]
> Above The Influence [-100CP]
> Bluff [Get a Freebie!]
> Genius [-200CP]
> Lucky [-200CP]
> Not Quite Dead [-300CP]
> School Uniform [Get a Freebie!]
> Bite-Sized Monster Dictionary [Get a Freebie!]
> Horehore-kun [-100CP]
> Belmont [-200CP]
> Young [+100CP]
> No Means No! [+200CP]

I regularly take any drawback that makes me smaller or younger, as that's basically free points to me. I also regularly take harem drawbacks, because I find them humorous.
... pretty rare I can take both at once, though. Hm. This is... weird.

Anyway, HEY, remember when I used to talk all the time about being fluffy? That's still a thing. I'm still super fluffy. And, in time, I will have nine (additional) fluffy tails.
On top of the ones I already have.

Anyways, I don't really know a lot about this setting, so I'll probably mostly go to classes and ace everything while ducking out on shenanigans. Sadly, I can't really define anything beyond that, since the whole plot is just a big blank space for me.
Maybe do some science in my spare time.
Maybe get some blood samples from my fellow classmates.
For science.

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>>48522614
>>48522533
Here's sort of what it would be like; I don't have my notes with me so I just made up some random tiers/point-costs/whatever. Just my thoughts on how the actual purchasing would work.

>>48522468
Well fuck. I don't know if I want to go Indie Designer or Indie AAA R&D. There's some seriously hard choices here, so good job.

This is also the best work with capstone boosters I've seen, so even better job.

>>48522236
Same

>>48522639
It's ridiculously ecchi, way more so than basically any other none porn property in existence, and in some ways the equal of stuff that was built on fanservice. Despite that, it has other shit somehow, and isn't literally dependent on the lewd to exist as a setting.

>>48522835
Eh, the problem there is it makes weak powers an awful choice, since you have to pay 700 CP to use them with no Obesiance. I'd say make High require Worst, Mid require Normal, and Weak require Easy, with a cost to go down a rank and a drawback to go up a rank.

>>48522886
As I said
>I don't have my notes with me so I just made up some random tiers/point-costs/whatever
I'm pretty sure my actual balance/point-costs was different.

>>48522871
It's lewd garbage, that's what it is, and a corruptible influence on the thread.

>>48522510
This isn't very good. It's not shitpost worthy (please just ignore that asshole) but it needs so much work.

>>48522886
That sounds like a terrible idea actually. Why would you suggest this?
Nobody should take this advice.

>>48522510
>it's an "I'm Going To Post Something Just To Stir Shit" episode

>>48522899
>corruptible

We've got a solid Shitpostium barrier surrounding the thread 99% of the time. It'll have to break through that first.

>>48522917
Sauce?

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>>48522822
DragonFable is my favorite of the games to be completely frank.
Though I hate, HATE, the level adjustment in it.

>>48522964
>>48522917

Fuck off with this lewd shit.

So, just to check, "No drawback limit" in 40k imperium means what it says, right?

As in, there's nothing stopping me from taking 2600 CP worth of drawbacks?

>>48522964
energy kyouka

>>48522911
Because I think it makes sense. What's your issue?

>>48523003
Common sense and self-preservation, but lacking those then you should be good to go.

>>48522979
Funny story. Back in the day I played Adventure Quest, the thing is I completely missed that the stat trainers were a thing. I managed to reach level 70 somehow before the scaling just made it impossible to progress. I could theoretically do the stat training to get back on track, but it's a close battle due to scaling, and I'd have to do a load of fights.

>>48523003
That is what those words usually mean, yes.

>>48522988
What was that? Post Monster Musume?

>>48523018
>I completely missed that the stat trainers were a thing. I managed to reach level 70 somehow before the scaling just made it impossible to progress
I did almost the same thing, but it was that at low levels I didn't have the cash to stat-train so I figured "fuck it, I'm fine as is"
I go to level 80-90ish before the scaling made it impossible to progress. And I couldn't even beat the stat-trainers.

>>48523003
If you really want you can get as many points as you want, there is the double your time drawback that can be taken an unlimited number of times.

>>48523017
I mean, the set I took seemed pretty survivable, apart from the time extension (which was nessecary to accomplish my goals) the only real thing that involved enemies was a chaos warband with greater demons, and that's nothing considering I plan on stopping the 13th black crusade with a very small force.

>>48523024
Sometimes there's the "read between the lines it was a trap option" bullshit

>>48523037
Yeah, I took that 6 times.

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Jump 030: Great Detective
CP: 1000
Drawbacks:
Chust a Ztoopud Ashent [+100]
Compulsion (Sake) [+200]
Location:Chicago, Illinois, USA
Background: Consultant [-100]
Perks:
The Look [-300]
Mental Palaces [-300]
Gear:
Detective Notebook [Free]
The Hat [Free]

Watson, I Presume [-300]
Misaka Worst & Handmaidens (Consultant) [1000]
Got it Memorized [Free]
Fancy Book Learning [-100]
Also a Coroner [-150]
Written on Thier Face [-150]
The Look [-300]
Mental Palaces [-300]
Gear:
Detective Notebook [Free]
The Hat [Free]


Watson, I Presume [-300]
Sparrow (Consultant) [700]
Perks:
Fancy Book Learning [-100]
The Look [-300]
Mental Palaces [-300]
Gear:
Detective Notebook [Free]
The Hat [Free]

Where to next /JC?

>>48522886
At that point, it's almost getting a bit too convoluted, although I'm just trying to visualize this right now instead of properly writing it down. It might be better to just have it be organized into the Low-Mid-High tiers, and you simply pick within your tier for powers. Low tier obeisance for a low tier power, etc, with a flat price for each tier.

>>48523051
>Yeah, I took that 6 times.
You're gonna survive 330 years in 40k?

God help me, I'm really thinking about spending 80 years in 40k for the extra 450cp.

>>48523079
No, I'm going to thrive for 640.

And it was necessary for my goals anyway.

>>48523079
>>48523086
Wow, I have great timing.

>>48523074
I've got to say that that sounds awful. Please do not take that advice.

>>48523086
>>48523104
Remember that the "Small" ship you can buy is around two km long, you could just take it into deep space and use 40K as an uninterrupted training period on board that monster.

>>48523086
If there's any doubt whether you can survive it, take a few more jumps to get more power.

>>48523074
I'd prefer having the ability to chose things with cp at all over not having any choice, and would prefer more choice than a limited one.

>>48523123
Er, do you have a suggestion as for otherwise, anon? I'm just looking to avoid complex maths for this so I'm spitballing.

>>48523086
There is a perk in Clone Wars that basically acts as Blank without the downsides.

>>48523163
Damn it cut off my post,

If you take that perk you can be safe from some of the bigger dangers.

>>48523148
Hmm... how about this:

Presuming Contractor is an origin of some kind, you automatically start in the lowest power and obeisance category. You can pick anything within your tier and you same simply pay CP to move up a tier in either category and freely pick from there.

Pretty simple, unless I'm missing something.

>>48523149
Just do it like you posted. It's self balancing anyway and gives free choice over what they get.

How would a world like World of Darkness react to something like an easily accessed Territory appearing all of a sudden?

What is a good social perk combo for ensuring that your desired Bro/Waifu/Husbando will accept your Pod/Feather?

>>48523309
Maxed out Endowment

>>48523254
Probably by having /another/ supernatural secret society show up.

>>48523331
There is a limit to how helpful that would be anon.

>>48523254
Another splat named Traveler the <Insert Adjective or Noun Here>

>>48523074
It's not that convoluted. Just do it your way, but add a "lighter obeisance" perk that drops you a rank and can be taken twice, and a "heavier obedience" drawback that ups you a rank (and God help you if you're already on Worst)

>>48523375
Traveler the Summoning.
Traveler the Unlocking.
Traveler the Somethingsomething.

Would Having Korra use SB to give me all the bending elements work?

Hey, if you go to a jump with a fanfic option and choose a self-insert fic, does the self insert remember a version of the story where you're a character?

Could I Sacrificial Bestowment Sacrificial Bestowment to my Light of Terra so that it could Sacrificial Bestowment it's Jovian-Pattern Nova Cannon to me?

>>48523490
maybe if your Light of Terra is a ship girl.

>>48523469
Maybe? You should probably get the Origin Spirit, though. The Avatar can manage having all four bending elements because of Raava's presence moderating them, so having another primordial spirit helping you out would improe your chances of it working.

>>48523490
>Jovian-Pattern Nova Cannon

Dude, if you want a bigger pingas just start stacking Huge perks. It'll get there.

>>48523518
I'll do that then.

>>48523490
If she's a shipgirl, probably.

>>48523441
Traveler the Travelering

>>48523441
Traveler the Territories.
Traveler the Incarnating.
Traveler the Bonding.

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Inukami- What is this shit? Whatever, New Minion.
0/1600
Rolled for 14
Tamer
Free Tamer
Discount Mage
Detective
Mansion
Free(ish) Energy Inukami-Minion Get. Needs a Name
Discount Energy and Earth Kitsune-Minion Get. Needs a Name

Wanted+600- Fuck you, Army.

>>48523479
I think that's one of those "fanwank something" answers. Go with whatever is more entertaining to you. Personally, I'd go for them not knowing the story with you in it. It makes for sense for your free will and it provides the opportunity to troll them mercilessly. "Wait, hold on, that's not how it happened in canon" should be something they think every five minutes.

>>48523490
If your Light of Terra is a ship girl you could have her use SB to give you her ship girl powers, which would include that if she has one.

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Tell me about a time you couldn't wake up, /jc/.

>>48523561
According the IRC my Dog Demon and Fox Demon are now named Otis and Milo.

>>48523375
Traveler the nerfherding.
It was a strangely themed territory.

>>48523612
Those are good names for them.

>>48523361
>implying

>>48523628
Which is why I accepted them. Minions Get.

My Sapient/Intelligent Minions are thus
Companions- Forsetti, Gnarl, Lilith, Mooks, Lupa d'Angela, Akitsu, Yashima, Haihane, Waddle Dees, Heather, Genie, Female Hades, Felyne(Not named), Arianrhod, Otis, Milo

Forsetti, Gnarl, Lilith, and Lupa have been imported every chance I've gotten thus far. I'm trying to spread out the others when I import.'
Forsetti and Lupa are NPCs from Overlord, his Native World, and Lilith is from City of Heros.

>>48523254
Mages would freak the hell out that there's somehow now another kind of magic, that they also have to share with the likes of vampires and werewolves.

>>48523309
Mind Rape spell from dnd.
>but that's not what I wanted
Isn't it? We already know what kind of person you are, now we're just settling on the degree.

Anyway. Friendship from Harvest Moon and I Know What You Want from Narnia lets you now what type of gifts to give them. With Open Arms from Redwall and A Friendly Face from Spice and Wolf makes you more sociable/likeable and always give a good first impression. Making Friends from MaoYuu, With Clear Conscience from Once Upon a Time, and Bro Tier from Sekirei make you a better friend. Those are some of the less mind rapey perks I know of. Otherwise it's just the general stack charisma+luck+harem perks

>>48523681
Actually, a Territory could look a lot like a new Supernal Realm somehow being discovered. Fragment of a broken universe that grants power to those who take its mysteries into themselves? Sounds like a Supernal Realm to me. Sure, there are plenty of differences, but at first glance they'd be really freaked out until they realized what it actually was.

>>48523708
>Le "Charisma is the same as Mind Rape" ebin maymay :^)

>>48523742
Fuck off to reddit and die there. charisma of any kind, even natural, is actually mind warping and evil.

Is it ever explained what powers HP magic? Is it just willpower?

>>48523720
At what point to you think they'd realize it though?

>>48523820
Let me guess: friendship is also mind rape? Physical attractiveness, too?

>>48523742
If it's supernatural charisma granted through whatever the fuck the benefactor is then yes. If you need perks to get someone to like/love you then that's really kinda sad.

>>48523849
It's two shitposters shitposting at each other.

Ignore them.

>>48523826
Nope. You don't need to will a spell to happen, except in rare cases. Swish and flick.

>>48523826
Ancient gene-based clarketech passed down to the scion of Atlantis, activated primarily through words and gestures.

So, if I go to Mage and take Gnosis 5, I still have to learn the Arcanum right? But we get 3 for free?

And we can learn up to 5 Gnosis on our own any way?

>>48523881
Yudowsky please go and stay go.

>>48523881
I swear to god if this is who I think it is that's been on an HPMOR kick...

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>>48523826
I don't think it's ever explained, no. As far as I remember it's just magic. Do the motions, say the words, and it happens.

Strong emotions can make your magic stronger though.

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>>48523902
>>48523896
Who is this guy?

I am so confused.
However to get back to regular Jumpchain matters. Hey /JC I'd like another Jump!

>>48523902
>on an HPMoR kick
Ew.

>>48523890
It's harder to work up to 5 Gnosis than it is to learn Arcanum as far as I know. You also can't learn Arcanum above the limits designated by the chart referencing how they relate to Gnosis.

It's frankly the whole reason I didn't like being limited to 5 Gnosis and below; I wanted to learn all the Arcanum up to master.

>>48523942
Girl_Chan in Paradise.

>>48523942
He wrote a really shitty possession self-insert fanfic which is absurdly popular.

So, Warhammer Fantasy. Champions of Chaos have "Unholy Abomination Free". That's a drawback. Does that mean that the drawback is required and you receive no cp?

>>48523871
>>48523913
So how does this work with Conjoined Conjures?

Rolled 8 (1d8)

>>48523959
Alright rolling for location.

>>48523954
Fuck off, Mage is perfect, and hardcapped Gnosis and Arcana are great and make the jump so much better.

Archmages are so over-powered, I'm so glad the jump maker decided to ban bing able to learn additional Arcana up to 5, which has nothing to do with that bullshit.

The Mage jump was a mistake. If Mage the Ascension ever gets made and has similar problems, I will crusade to keep it off the drive.

>>48524011
It doesn't. Fuck off, powerwanker.

>>48524046
Don't worry, you'll fail miserably.

>>48523859
Jumpers are mostly assholes from 4chan so it makes sense that they need perks to get people to like them.

>>48524011
I don't know. Replace mana with swish-and-flicks and latin-like nonsense words?

>>48524011
Pre-discovered or programmed spells do a thing on activation of keywords and motions. Get the motions or keywords slightly wrong and... bad things happen.

Hope you've got good diction and muscle control. One of the kids in Harry Potter accidentally vanishes all the bones in their arm. I'd hate to see what happens if you flub up a world destroyer or a reality changer.

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>>48524046
How can you even consider that? There's got to be another way. This is not a blighted apple crop, this is a thread full of anons!

>>48524064
God, but this makes more sense than it should.

>>48524124
gb2urn uther

>>48524124
>Says the guy who tried to genocide an entire species
>But won't kill people who are turning into fucking zombies

>>48524137
>yfw even most of the likeable ones are so paranoid about being rejected they'll gladly mind-control everyone around them

>>48524137
>this makes more sense than it should.
How much sense should it make?

>>48524157
You mean the same species that tried to genocide the humans because they turned their own world into a demon-blasted hellhole after drinking the noxious burning green Kool-aid?

>>48522049
Anima: Beyond Fantasy
Force Of Will
Fading Suns
Suzerain
Shaintar
Arcana Unearthed
Earthdawn
Feng Shui
Marchland

We really need some more content that is actually /tg/ related.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/23785061/

>"Quick Update on the Bleach Jump we shall have it ready for reviewing hopefully before Bleach ends."

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>>48524124
What is an anon?!

A miserable little pile of salt! But enough talk - have at you!

>>48524172
I give no fucks about the Orcs. I care that he was willing to genocide them because they were a threat, but shys away from willing killing people who are turning into man-eating zombies, who make more zombies by doing so.

>>48524046
You're right though. Gnosis over 5 is just so plain overpowered compared to other options in jumpchain, it was entirely necessary to ban it and anything related to it, including things that aren't actually part of the overpowered shit. But we need to keep the inherent drawbacks of the magic system post jump. Because that somehow makes sense with out previous reasoning of justifying inter-jump balance.

God. I will disown the Mage the Ascention jump so quickly if it tries the same shit.

>>48524176
>Anima: Beyond Fantasy
If I had money, I would pay for this jump.

>>48524194
Connection to the species, anon.

He changed his tune after shit got worse.

>>48524193
Die monster, you don't belong in this thread!

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>>48524179
SO IT BEGINS

THE GREAT SALTENING OF OUR TIME

>>48524172
>he doesn't want to be a conqueror

>>48522049
The Giver
The Hunger Games
The Darkness

U wot, m8? U think i mistyped the CATCHEMALL?

>>48524046
Gnosis hardcap was a bit odd but was proposed by thread. Arcana hardcap meanwhile in addition to being an extension of the first, makes it so it's an actual choice for what you're good at instead of just making it "choose two you're not perfect at" a it would be at Gnosis 10. Although from what I've seen of the Ascension jump in the making it will get driven off for completely different reasons.

>>48524063
The sad part is, I probably won't. If it tries the same thing, people wit shitstorm and drive the jump maker off a cliff.

>>48524176
>Anima: Beyond Fantasy
Isn't that the fantasy world where the local Jesus figure, Abel, is actually evil and the queen is a little girl or something?

>>48524218
Arthas was Right about Stratholme
He wasn't Right about anything after that, but he was Right about Stratholme.

>>48524225
>conqueror
>implying leader
>implying the Legion won't turn you into a demonic sockpuppet or cocksleeve.

>>48524237
>Although from what I've seen of the Ascension jump in the making it will get driven off for completely different reasons.

Yes, yes it will. For going to far in the other direction, as well as... "philosophical"- and design-related decisions.

>>48524237
Yeah, no, the only issue was Archmastery.
I never signed up for being consigned to this shitty jump. Mage deserves better than what we got.

>>48524222
It is not by my hand that I am once again unbanned. I was brought back by anons, who wish to pay me tribute!

Ok, are we really doing this? Are we pregaming shitstorms? Fuck this thread.

>>48524315
Tribute? You steal anons' posts, and make them bite bait!

>>48522049
My Life as a Teenage Robot
.hack
Garo
Skeleton Warriors
NiGHTS
Seriously, how?

>>48524328
>Ok, are we really doing this? Are we pregaming shitstorms?

What do you mean?

>>48524336
Perhaps the same could be said of all posters, but enough talk, have at you!

>>48524237
There's literally nothing wrong with having no cap on Arcana. It's theArchmastery reality warping that we aren't okay with. Gnosis higher than 5 is only banned and should only be capped for that reason, it extending beyond that isn't a good thing by any measure.

>>48524253
Do you want people to just post Jumps directly to the drive from now on?

>>48524328
You mean you didn't expect this? With how long SB has been a REEEEE-inducing topic, I wasn't surprised at all.

>>48524349
Your posts are as empty as your name field! /jc/ ill needs a savior such as you!

Also you broke the chain.

>>48524364
No, I want people to make good jumps. We got one that was passable with Mage, and even then, that's only tolerable because the other one in the works can fix what Mage the Awakening jump fucked up by effectively replacing it.

>>48524402
Make the Jumps you want to see, or accept the vision of those who do your work for you.

>>48524402
>We got one that was passable
Hahahaha, what? That one was by far the best jump from SB, and pretty good by our standards.

>>48524338
>MLAATR
Someone said they were going to make this a while ago but they disappeared.

>>48524465
I don't blame them.

>>48524402
Look. We get it.

The Mage jump is trash. Gnosis and Arcanum caps are unnecessary bullshit on top of a legitimate issue of banning Archmastery, and the maintaining of Paradox post-jump despite hardcapping things that don't need to be only puts the cherry on top.

But you don't need to bring it up whenever we fucking talk about it.

>>48524432
But that's what Jumpmakers are for. They make Jumps, we shitpost, whine, and drive them away. It's a clear division of labor.

>>48524432
I can't. A shitty mage jump has already been made, and we have a rule of singular jumps going on the drive.

>>48524503
Sorry, are you new here?

>>48524435
>that piece of trash
>good
Like hell it is. It's a primary example of why SB-made jumps should be banned outright, it's terrible and doesn't belong anywhere near us.

>>48524503
And it's still better than the one you were too lazy to make and never would have.

>>48524536
That's just your ingrained hatred of everything SB does speaking beyond your logical reasoning.

>>48524536
>"this jump is trash because I don't like THIS ONE MECHANIC"

See this line of thinking? It needs to stop.

>>48524061
Dollars to donuts youre literally copy-pasting that.

>>48524095
Wasn't that Lockhart trying to heal Harry? And he fucked up because he's a moron?

If I'm a Psyker, and I import Magnus the Red (from the light of terra DLC) into the generic parenting jump as a babysitter, will the amusing shenanigans that follow be more likely to result in a child that is a capable and powerful psyker in their own right or SuddenlyDaemons.gif?

>>48524481
I honestly think the jump maker should have also forced you to take it as an end jump if you took any other WoD jump rather than having a silly 0 point drawback where continuity maintains between jumps.

>>48524589
>Dollars to donuts youre literally copy-pasting that.
I'm guessing he has a macro that just replies to random posts with that at varying intervals.

>>48524609
Magnus is a temporary companion, and leaves after the end of the DLC.

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>>48524609

>>48524612
Now you're just saying shit to piss us off.

>>48524589
I can't tell if he wants to make Team Nerf look bad, make Team Buff look like they're trying to make Team Nerf bad, or if he's just realized that people will leap on you if you say certain things and is really, really lonely.

>>48524627
Yeah, but it says you can import anyone that you had as a friend, not just a companion.

>>48524631
It's not b8 anon.

>>48524635
>Now you're just saying shit to piss us off.
That's this whole Mage conversation, anon.

>>48524646
He might just be really angry about nothing in particular.

>>48524649
>Magnus
>Friend
AHAHAHHAHAHAHA-

>>48524635
Did you just figure that out? Do you want a cookie?

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>>48522049
Spawn
The Dark Tower
Spelljammer
Left 4 Dead
Greyhawk
All Flesh Must Be Eaten
Gumshoe
RIFTS

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>>48524649
>It's not b8 anon.

>>48524674
That's what the Charisma perks are for, anon.

>>48524649
>import anyone that you had as a friend
>'friend'
Oh, uh... Hrm. I'd say YES, but in the way that Magnus 'trains' them - since his idea of 'fun' is probably heretical research and shit like that. The chances of suddenly daemons honestly depends on how much sway you have on the child to use their powers responsibly.

>>48524689
Magnus is Deadlight route in LoT.

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>>48523561
Starcraft Terrans-Do I have to face Koreans? Please tell me I don't
0/1600
Rolled for 24
Independent
Researcher
Rolled for D-3974
Import Gnarl as Spectre
Import Heather as Ghost
Free Connections
Discount Immunity
Discount Tech Expert
Psychic-I can get my Companions to train me
Intructor
Free HES
Psi Blade

The Great War+300
Zerg Beacon+300
---------------------
Starcraft Zerg-Give Me Minions
0/1600
Freshly Born
Rolled for Zz'gash
Free Burrowing
Free Willful
Discount Spawner
Discount Essence Spinner
Tumor
Discount Chrysalis
Discount Organic Database
Overmind Model
Free Personal Zerg Strain
Elite Drone(Gnarl)
Elite Torrasque Ultralisk(Forsetti)
Elite Swarmlings(Mooks)
Elite Corpser Roach(Lilith)
Elite Hydralisk(Lupa)

The Great War+0
The Sons of Korhal+300
Hostile Hive+300-Why do Zerg hate me so much?

>>48524687
That isn't Ainz! You have blasphemed against the supreme being!

>>48524666
Not really.

People complaining about the dumb shit in the Mage jump are right, they're just taking it too far, and being assholes.

People disagreeing with them just don't want to talk about it because it annoys them. Some of them are also baiting for responses from the people who can still get outraged about it.

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>>48524733

>>48524689
>Charisma perks
>On Magnus
Once again, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! For one thing, you don't have them, because of the Deadlight. If you shattered it, you don't get to meet him either. Also, Magnus is a daemon prince. Charisma or not, he doesn't HAVE friends.

>>48524702
>Magnus is Deadlight route in LoT.

If you spend several centuries being incredibly charismatic, you probably would have that shit on lock going into LoT.

>but in the way that Magnus 'trains' them - since his idea of 'fun' is probably heretical research and shit like that.

Well, the warp is much less dangerous in literally every other reality out there, so odds are it's significantly safer. Probably.

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>>48524687
>Pretending that's my Buddy.

So is Mage the new Fallout?

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Jump 031: Girl-Chan in Paradise
CP: 1000
Drawbacks:
That’s not the real store owner [+200]
Location: Nowhere Near the Plot [Rolled 8]
Origin: Drop-In
Perks:
Fightan' [Free]
Shut Up! [Free]
Hot Heat [-100]
I sure hope we don’t run into any more Bushido Blasters... [-100]
Nobody Else is Shocked? [-100]
Secret Power [-200]
Botched Abortion [-200]
That Explains Everything! [-400]
Things:
Sack Full of Quarters [Free]

Misaka Worst & Handmaidens
Fightan' [Free]
Hot Heat [-100]

Sparrow
Fightan' [Free]

"Gaunlet."
"Yeah."
"Where the hell are we?"
"I thought we could use a sort of vacation Jump so we're nowhere near the Plot."
"How does this entertain Jump-Chan?"
"Clones. Evil Clones of all of us."
-Stare-
"Ah, I see this is sarcasm. Haha."
"Yeah about that..."
"Gaunlet, I seem to be experiencing irritation."
"Shit shit shit shit!"

>>48524749
It's all shitposting.

>>48524768
>Strongest magic caster...
Uh, Justice?

>>48524759
>Also, Magnus is a daemon prince. Charisma or not, he doesn't HAVE friends.

That might have been true even before he turned to chaos just because of how much of a nerd he was.

>>48524749
It's shitposters and people not smart enough to figure out they're being baited.

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>>48522049
Murcielago.

>>48524788
I know, I know.
I fucked up on that part, and I'm too lazy to fix it.

>>48524780
No, the Fallout nerf is still horseshit, but Fallout 4 exists to effectively replace it, so whatever, it doesn't matter anymore.

>>48524733
>>48524768
Then who is it?

>>48524797
Who's who? Are you claiming that any criticism of Mage is just bait to be dismissed outright?

>>48524842
Some asshole Arrancar from Bleach.

>>48524768
Ainz is an enemy of Justice. If Justice is friends with Ainz, Justice is an enemy of Justice.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

>>48524842
Baraggan Louisenbairn from Bleach.

Is there a Banner Saga 2 jump... also is there any low level jumps that are low fantasy (like swords and sorcery one)?

>>48524865
Not trying to redeem the unjust is itself unjust. As such justice must, by needs, associate with injustice for the purpose of deinjusticing injusitce.

>>48524851
Yes. Fuck off already.

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>>48524686
>Spawn
>The Dark Tower
>Spelljammer

>RIFTS

>>48524853
>Bleach
>Overlord
Are they really that different?

>>48524865
Touch Me-San is Justice, Ainz and Touch Me-San were best friends. Ainz has just lost his way, and can be brought back to the side of Justice.

>>48524897
>>Spelljammer
>>RIFTS
Y, tho?

>>48524888
Not really. Also no.

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>>48522049

Seriously, what's happening with diablo and metroid?

Otherwise, now that the story is finished(?), I may try making a Path of Exile jump.

>>48524851
At this point? Yes. The Jump's in, it's not going anywhere, and incessantly whining about Jumps that are in is utterly pointless unless and until we amend the rules to replace them. So who gives a fuck about yur pinions?

>>48524851
When it's literally the same thing every time, and it's practically incidental to the rest of the Jump, and is literally the only part of the Jump anyone ever bothers to READ?

Yes.

It's like if One Piece was never, EVER discussed when someone wasn't complaining about Devil Fruit weaknesses.

I'm gone for all of four hours and the thread's devolved to shit.

Good. Just. Just fucking wonderful. We can't have nice things, can we.

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Where to next, /JC?

>>48524966
>>48524961
To be frank, that's retarded. You not liking the fact that your waifu is called out on being shit isn't shitposting.

>>48524982
TOME

>>48524955
Do Path of Exiles, it's better than Diablo anyway by a long shot.

>>48524924
Hijinks.

>>48523996
That's how I've always interpreted it.

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>>48524955
As far as I know, Diablo's in WIP limbo due to the guy from SB just pretty much making a jump, saying "it's finished" despite the glaring errors, and nobody's touched the thing so far. I've heard talks of folks wanting to take a crack at times, but nothing's come of it.

Metroid, both the guy who originally going to work on it and the guy who was going to pick it up have disappeared months ago. I still have their WIPs, but so far not a peep has been heard.

>>48524982
Rosario + Vampire

>>48524899
Yeah, but you ignored a torture farm, so what do you know about Justice?

You think Touch Me would have let that shit stand?

>>48525029
>Ignored a torture farm
The fuck are you on about? Are you talking about Demiurge's human farm? Because I cut that shit off before it even started.

>>48522049
Binding of Isaac
Silent Hill
Gankutsuou

>>48524984
Nor is you not liking the fact that your whining is actively killing our thread and driving away makers.

It's done. It's over. It's pointless to keep going. Every maker we lose puts us closer to being banished to /b/, or from 4chan altogether. Content is the only thing keeping the mods off our backs, and you're actively working to kill content.

The Mage jumpmaker isn't even here, so you're literally whining into thin air over something you have no power over, and making this thread less attractive to content creators.

So no, YOU are the mental defective. YOU are the cancer.

>>48524966
On a related note, someone help me figure out which Devil Fruit I should pick.

My budget requires that it be Great or lower, and right now I'm leaning towards Paw-Paw. It sounds useful and like it has a wide variety of applications, as well as potentially being able to make stronger foes fuck off if you can get in touch range.

Anyone have any opinions?

>>48524999
On it!
>>48525027
Been there done that.

>Overlord jump
>Bard+Rogue
>Can make yourself sneakier by humming the Mission Impossible theme
Literally the best class combo in the jump.

>>48525070
>which Devil Fruit I should pick.
None of them, being vulnerable to water is retarded.

>>48524961
>>48524966
>>48525055
>if it annoys me that other people find fault in a thing and complain about it too much, then it's shitposting
>people should never complain about anything that isn't an immediate and pressing issue and should lie down and take it otherwise
>I can dismiss legitimate problems as worthless and meaningless opinions because I can't bear to understand the arguments for why they might be issues and hate other people being mean
>I want garbage to flood the drive so that we can maintain a facade of legitimacy

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>>48525101
It's beautiful.

>>48523184
>>48523163
>without the downsides
Like what?

>>48525070
Well, what's your theme? Do you have any preferences on something, any particular goal you're going for?

Paw-Paw is pretty sick yeah, it can really do some abstract things. Op-Op fruit is also pretty horseshit if Trafalgar is anything to go by, and Gas-Gas really starts getting insane once you earn your chemistry degree. Really, it all depends on what best fits with your mindset and your goals.

>>48525101
Holy shit, that's hilarious.

Does that mean if you make bow-chicka-wow porn music sounds when you walk up to someone you'll gain an advantage on charisma checks?

>>48525101
....Fuck that's good, how did I never notice that?

>>48525070
Dark-Dark is capable of absorbing other fruits if you figure out how. I'm not sure if there are any limits on that though, I'm a good 100+ chapters behind.

>>48525131
You only make the bow-chicka-wow porn music sounds after someone makes an innuendo.

>>48525118
Fuck off shitposter.

>>48525101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-sKP17xTw

>>48525136
Note that if you want to do that, though, you should definitely get the version the jump offers you instead of just finding the fruit yourself. It's unclear if the canon Dark-Dark can do that, how Blackbeard steals powers hasn't been addressed and it being from his fruit is just one theory. The version the jump gives you definitely can do that, though.

>>48525070
I like the metal corroding one, and I think it was only 100cp too. Being able to destroy peoples armour and cybernetics is pretty useful.

>>48525055
>any criticism is terrible because it drives away content, no one should say anything mean ever, we should be a hug box wit no concern for quality
Do you want us to turn into CYOA gen?

>>48525048
What about the mandatory blindspot?

>>48525192
I can head them off before they do anything. Also Fuck Brellin and his "this continues even post-spark" bullshit.

>>48525183
>implying
We already are a hugbox compared to CYOA gen. They're way more toxic than we are any day of the week.

>>48525128
Like being hated by everyone for the aura of wrongness that Blanks have.

>>48525192
Even Brellin said that we can influence the NPCs to be better.
Though I still call bullshit on that blind spot existing, because only Ainz has it, because of special circumstances I might add, and even he doesn't have it as bad.

>>48525183
>any criticism

Nice strawman. There's a difference between "this perk needs to be written more clearly" while the Jumpmaker is there to answer for it, and "this mechanic is cancer on /jc/ forever" after you've already murdered the maker and the mechanic is incidental to the Jump anyway.

But you wouldn't know that, would you?

>>48525238
Brellin wants to be a special snowflake. It's why he insisted the blind spot persists even post-spark.

>>48525249
No there isn't. It's literally the same thing, complaining is always complaining, and criticism is always criticism.

In this case, the criticism is still valid, and you're the one dismissing the criticism like you're want to do by strawmanning the argument against it. The mechanic isn't incidental either, what the hell are you even talking about there?

>>48525313
Just fuck off already, we've already heard it, you're just shitposting if you keep insisting on the point.

What are some jumps with some good perks to redeem others?

Have we completely destroyed the terms of shitposting and bait with how badly we over use them beyond their scope?

>>48525355
Anon, you're a bit late.

Those words haven't meant anything since before Quicksilver left the first time.

>>48525355
Quality b8, anon.

>>48525348
Undertale, Nanoha, Generic Magical Girl, Generic Western

>>48525313
It's incidental because he says it is you stupid bitch.

>>48525355
Would you please stop shitposting with such obvious bait.

If you take the extra power perk in Infamous is your additional power modified to your element? If I had cryokinesis and bought video surge would they be wings of ice/snow/cold?

>>48525355
Yes.

>>48525400
Nice shitposting, man. I really like it.

>>48525348
There's one in Generic Magical Girl (Percussive something something) and I think the captain capstone perk from Kantai, and I think one in Lyrical Nanoha?

>>48525348
Naruto. I think there are perks in the Kamen Rider jumps that can help.

>>48525313
>the criticism is still valid
The problem isn't that the criticism is not valid, it's that further discussion is pointless. The jumpmaker has been firm on the issue, and he doesn't hang around here anyways, so continued discussion simply serves no purpose beyond shitposting. Thus, it's shitposting. It sucks, but if you wanted it that bad you should've made the jump first instead of leaving it up to someone else.