How can infantry players even compete?

>that mold line

Well it used to be that the tonk would have to hide behind its own infantry or hope to stop them with firepower before they could charge it with krak grenades, I guess that's gone.

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Lascannon walls.

>>48464977
900 points to kill one tank a turn isn't impressive senpai.

>>48464441
that looks like a dick

>>48465052
no but 900 points to kill anything you point them at is. in fact. its glorious done right.

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>>48464441
'sup?

>>48465094
your dick has glowing blue ribs?

With that many plasma guns I don't think the tank needs to worry about infantry

>>48465267
Yours doesn't?

>>48465281
dat feel when i rolled a 1 and got too hot

>>48464977
>las-
>not auto-

gay

>>48465290
14 front armor unless you can roll a 7 on a d6 your shit outa luck with autocannons

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>>48465267
Is it not supposed to?

>>48465293
That's when you get *even more* autocannons. Blot out the ground with them until the enemy has no choice but to show a side.

>>48465325
when bullets fail fire more bullets into the other bullets to bullet the bullet!

Alternatively.
Infantry tank hunter teams with meltas are great when dropped out of a Valkyrie, Behind the enemy tank.

>>48465343
Thats suicide! who would volunteer for such a job!

>>48465359

people who were told to by theit comissar.

>>48465359
the people who [s] Got Drafted. Recycled or forced [/s] Happily Volunteered for the Mighty Imperial guard in his Emperors Name.

>>48465378
oh
Strikethrough does not work here

>>48464441
In a 6 turn game that thing shoots 30 gets hot shots, 5 of which will get hot and kill itself the roughly 50% of the time you roll only 2 4+ on 5 dice. They compete by not killing themselves.

>>48465402
exterminator cannon dosnt get hot (just incase you added those)

>>48465402
Don't vehicles ignore Get's Hot, or did they change that when I wasn't looking?

but what do Plasma Cannons have over Lascannons en masse?

>>48465414
they do now, tho the exterminator cannon is different

>>48465431
blasts? also that thing is lobbing out 5 of them a turn

>>48465431
Better rate of fire and small blast, allowing you to clear up groups of heavy infantry and light vehicles in a hurry.

>>48465384
Not like that it doesn't
B̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶n̶i̶g̶g̶e̶r̶
Literally the first result if you google strikethrough, though that may be because I've used it before

>>48465408
Do you mean Executioner cannon? Because it does.

>>48465442
>>48465446
this is true.
but i didn't mean One lascannon. i meant 30.
though that makes the plasma more like a rapid fire cannon?

>>48465454
does not at least not for pred tanks

>>48465267
like any other, what the fuck are you implying?

>>48465457
>How can infantry players even compete?
>>>
> Anonymous 07/26/16(Tue)17:23:11 No.48464523▶
>>that mold line
also don't the lascannons get to twin link fire under a certain circumstance?
the Apoc formation i mean.
with the 30 weapons.


also this is the most civilized and helpful discussion about Armour and Infantry fighting Armour i've had for a whole year.

>>48465466
Well the Leman Russ Executioner Plasma Cannon in Codex Astra Militarum most certainly does Get Hot

>>48465454
im thinking of the plasma destroyer thingy

>>48465254
Your entire warrior culture is based on a melta gun, with absolutely no finesse or doctrine, just a neat gun.

Think about that for a second.

>>48465506
But that's what makes it good!

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>>48465506
no regrats

>>48465506
How many years does it take to train a fire dragon?

How many years to train the Scion/Kasrkin/Storm trooper that just killed them at range, while said fire dragons are busy poking a tank with the big dicky looking melta guns?

Got a armoured battalion list floating around for my ig somewhere.
For when i want to mop up the tears at my flgs.
For bonus points, take that scanner that gives twin linked.
And dont forget the coacial shit!

>>48465408

It's had Gets Hot for years.

>>48465524
No one needs training to point a weapon at a huge target from a few metres away

They spend most of their time in the shrine goofing off

>>48465553
that actually sounds kinda funny.
The eldar people doing weird stuff in the shrine.
eheheh.

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>>48464441
Why bring tanks when you can RULE THE SKIES?!

>>48465553
That makes sense, given how their life expectancy in battle is less than anything else in the game.

>what does it matter
>we'll be dead soon anyway
>empties bottle

>>48464441
During deployment my line guard army looks 1000 times cooler than your faggy powergame army with everyone in transports, flying vehicles, and tanks. There's nothing like getting an eyecandy boner from filling up your entire deployment zone with hundreds of imperial guardsmen.

Also people actually like playing against me because its fun to take tons of guardsmen off the table every turn.

>>48465574
Together we can rule the sky's as father and son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzvY1OzoDbQ

Can Guard make effective lists combining significant presences of both infantry AND tanks?
Or do you really need to focus on one, to obsolete all the shit your opponent brought to handle the other

>>48466052
Meet Mechanized Infantry.All infantry are vets with Carapace Armour. Every squad rides in a tank. Grab some Scions in taurox primes with missiles for the extra template toss.
have at least one leman russ for every situation.
Throw in some Hell hounds and Devil dogs. Plus maybe a shadowsword or something and you are gtg
also grab a hydra. usefulness is beyond just AA. makes a handy infantry guard in a pinch.

>>48465448

One does not simply use strikethrough on 4chan.

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>>48464441
OOGA BOOGA

>>48466229
>Hello, you have been selected for this year's heretic thinning games, sponsored by Inquisitor Cooper.
>Would you like death by death, or death by flying monkeys?
>Uhhh, what?
>You have chosen death by monkeys. Have a pleasant day.
>Door opens
>Chimp noises begin to louden

>>48465402
Its actually only 18 gets hot rolls, the main cannon only needs to roll once not per blast.

>>48466297
Wrong. Go and read the Gets Hot rules again.

>>48466229
>I'M HERE TO PEEL HERETICS AND EXECUTE BANANAS

>Are you sure that's the right order George?

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>>48466229
>See? We were right to call them Mon'Keigh all along!

>>48466229

>it aint me starts playing

>>48466438
Fookoff shill

>>48466453

I'm not a shill I just have a love of apekino you filthy pleb.

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>>48466467
>t. shill

>>48466498

Come on son I'm not a shill I'm just enjoying the memes. I remember the Godzilla trailer as well and how much the movie sucked in comparison to it. Chances are king nigger is gonna suck as well, doesnt mean I cant joke about it.

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>>48465254
>>48465506
>>48465516
>>48465523
>>48465524
>>48465553
>>48465565
>>48465637
Ahem.

>>48464523
where faggot? on the plasma barrel? you know how hard it is to remove that shit?? i bet you dont even paint your shit faggot-- you got a whole fucking army of plastic, faggit

>>48466855
Except that they also have to be demolitions and explosives experts, and part of their training involves being able to physically survive the heat of their own gun while wearing next to nothing while keeping from burning their own flesh.

>>48467388
Next to nothing? They're in 3+ suits, that ought to have some heat insulation built in

>>48467824
It does, but what you have to understand is that the produce from most Melta-class weaponry carries enough heat to make Plasma Guns (the ones so often recited as spewing out a miniature star, as a metaphor) blush. Even if we're talking space-magic materials, a simple splash from a particularly resilient material is going to kill everyone in a small radius who's not wearing armour and burn anyone who is.

Meltaguns are a lot more difficult to use than most people think due to their collateral damage capabilities, it's even harder when your army is effectively gymnasts: the faction whenever it's moving about with flips and ludicrously fluid motions.

>>48467864
Guardsmen seem to survive alright, on table and books
If they were that bad, then they'd Get Hot

>>48466229
Is that Furious George?

>>48467898
It's less to do with the actual weapon's heat, as it produces a far larger amount of material to spread the energy through, and more to do with how quickly you're going to get yourself killed if you willy-nilly shoot at things with your spray of, what is essentially plasma.

The faster you're moving, the harder it will be to determine where the spray is going to go exactly, Guardsmen also need training to use Melta weapons, but they don't have to use them while going full gymnast through enemy lines.

>>48466052

mech guard with vets in chimeras is a thing. It's not the game warping win button it was two editions ago, hell it isnt even tier 1 anymore, but it is still a thing.

>>48467864
Fluff harder dude. Guard does that shit in +5. +4 if they're lucky. Ain't nobody gonna sympathize with you space faggots.

>>48464523
That particular moldline is one of the hardest to remove of any I've encountered. Good luck removing it without damaging the plasma coils.

>>48466324
No, he's right. You roll once for each weapon firing.

>>48467927
Them getting killed by their own weapons seems pretty fanciful, as does them going full gymnast.

I'm sure they have weapons training, but the main training of a fire dragon is probably about small unit tactics. Reading the flow of battle, coordinating movement, covering fire and taking cover. Maybe something to do with hunting beasts/tanks.

>>48467294
>>48468079
Not even the plasma coil, but the mold line on the metal right next to it.

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>>48465506
Do I look like I give a fuck?

>>48464441
groups of suicidal guys with krak grenades

>>48465574
westillhaveZEROvisibility.png

>>48467864
>>48468022
This. Catachans do it with just a fucking wifebeater on. Eldar scum are so fucking FLIMSY.

>>48468022
>>48470246
Yeah, but Guard has like 10 wounds for each meltagun.

>>48470133
But anon, only one model can use a grenade in assault.

>>48470282
I don't think so.

>>48470311
That's what the FAQ says. Granted, it's still a draft, but if it sticks, oh boy...

>>48470282
You make it sound like 10 wounds per meltagun is a bad thing. It's not like the 10 wounds are for the guards getting nuked by their own gun. If you're going to mix fluff and crunch, pay attention.

>>48470194
That has similar viability to IRL helicopter cockpits.

>>48470330
you can get that to one krak and one meltabomb as it is one grenade per type

>>48472785
That is true.

>>48464441
Drop pod with melta laden sternguard

>>48467388
No, their training is in blowing things up even better than just using a melta gun.
Ensured destruction and getting another +1 on the damage chart is awesome.

The training to not have them die is what the player needs to do. 6" away. Exactly, except the exarch with the firepike.

Battle focus also makes them really good at their job, but that's general eldar thing. It's the ensured destruction that's boss.

>>48473108
Pretty sure that image is older than those rules.

>>48473213
>>48473213
the image is (and still funny), but argument that came before and after is mostly what I was responding to, and wrong.

The argument that Fire Dragons have nothing making them any better than just guardsmen with melta guns is just not true anymore. And kinda untrue under the old rules too, but close enough. And the argument I specifically linked, that their training was about 'surviving the blast'

>>48473264
Look man, their entire existence can be summed up as "Get out of transport, start pulling triggers, die"

>>48470330
As an Ork player, I hope it doesn't fucking stick. Tankbustas got gutted just from that change.

Then the Ork FAQ went and kicked us while we're down.

>>48466229
That is fucking thoroughly disturbing.

>>48464523
I sort of like mold lines on vehicles. It gives the impression that the machine was actually built instead of coming shipped to the frontlines in one piece

>>48464441
As a SM player i have absolutely no answer to 14 armor. Shit sucks.

>>48466229
Dicks out for Harambe.
Also, check 'em.

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>>48465506
>A culture based on focusing the hate of the Eldar race, the curled fist of the Aspect Shrine, punching the fuck out of things symbolizing the might of Khaine himself
>Just a neat gun
Suck a dick, Mon'keigh.

>>48473321
They don't die that quick. 3+ saves are pretty decent.
And they are much better at making things blow up than there comparisons in other races.

Plus, just one or two left can run around blowing shit up pretty damn well.

>>48464441
By not having to roll for gets hot 5 fucking times. That tank is fucking useless after the PE nerf.

>>48476947
Get in melee and beat on it. Then you only need to beat 10 armor.

>>48476947
>No answer
Grav. Combi meltaguns drop pods. Powerfists.

>>48464441
They don't.

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>>48476947
>As a SM player i have absolutely no answer to 14 armor. Shit sucks.
Are you for real?

>>48465116
Space marines:
>Captain the reps blowing up key targets
>Damn them all, send In more mehtal bawkses.
>Captain they blew those up too.
>It is truly a dark day for all mankind.

>Orks
>Oi Deez humies hafe big Lazers dat krump us roight propa.
>Send in da Boyz an' letz krump 'um back

Tau
>Pfft these humans think they can beat our ranged attacks.
>Send in the broadsides, max range, fire for effect.
>2Taulaughing.jpg

Eldar
>Omg omg omg their shooting at us
>Ugh I just did my hair tonight
>OMG girls, I just broke a nail how rude are these beasts.

Dark eldar
>**Censored**
>Oh...that's nasty
>These guys are gross.
>Ew
>Also their mostly all dead.

Necrons
>Bahaha Lazer technology, how still
>Send in the doomsday arks
>Ahahaah they pop like corn
>What in the blazes is trazyn doing with that regiment
>Where did trazyn go..
>Where the fuck is trazyn.

TYRANIDS
>chit chit chat bitzz chichichiii (I say, these humans are using highly powered particle beams to destroy our biological armor.)
>Chiiiii bzzzzz chxzzzzz khakhazixzix {indeed, yes, how droll, shall we mutate regeneration?}
Chi? Bzz GA bzz kriiiiiik kikik chhz bzchit chit. (What? No that would be too hard, oh I say, let's just send in a bunch of genestealers and trygons)
>Chi...chik...bzt, chit chifffik bzz click click crrrr krrit cheeki breeki? {Oh, my, hivemind, yes. That sounds delightfully fun, they'll be swarmed so fast they'll panic so cheeky at your old age huh}

Imperial guard
>Aahhhhh our tanks keep exploding
>Fire the las cannons faster they have more tanks
>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh why won't this battle end.
>I don't know, keep shooting, eventually the enemy will give up and die.

Chaos Marines
>.......fuck
>Fly heldrake they can't reach you in the sky's
>*Explodes*
>......fuck

Chaos daemons
>Fuck. Ow. Ow ow fuck stop it
>Damn these humans ow, damnit fuck how ow ow
>Stop it, that hurts.


*Special*
Blood ravens
>Wins because they stole were gifted the imperial guards lascannons

>>48477821
Knock it off

>>48478832
>Sir the lascannons are killing everyone
>Knock it off.
>No, sir I will not.

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>>48464441
With a few conga lines of these

>>48478920
I mean the obnoxious roleplay. Knock it off

>>48478972
>Commissar the enemies lascannons are too strong, why didn't we bring any lascannons, why did we only bring 20 tanks and auto cannon spam...
>Knock it off.
>Knock what off commissar I'm unsure
>I mean the obnoxious roleplay. Knock it off.
>No, I won't.
>I..I am only a lonely guardsman with no life and a flashlight to smite my foes. I have very little which brings me joy, but sticking within my bounds and annoying you is bringing me the most happiness that a guardsman can achieve. Without this, I would probably die a pitiful death one day. This gives me meaning. Each moment it annoys you I have the strength to type responses...sir.


Also come on man have a sense of humor, or ignore it ffs. Jesus where is the fun happy 40k threads I used to see around 5th edition. Why is everyone to dark and unfunny now...fine, whatever I'm gonna go have fun with fun happy people.

Like those WHFB guys, I bet their still happy since I bet the new edition came out.

>>48464441
With the insane strategy of spreading out and walking straight at it until it dies.

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>>48464441

Like this.

>>48477793
>>48477506
>>48477468
I have zero doubt that this is some retard who tries to play marines as a beat stick and wonders why his 60pt predators can't win against 150pt Leman Russ.

He probably doesn't even take them in formations for Tank Hunter.

>>48465267
Ribbed for her pleasure, obviously.

>>48479344
>predators
>against a leman russ

Dear god who would be that retarded? Just get a bunch of White Scar Bikes or Dark Angels and shove metalguns up the tank's exhaust pipe and fire. Especially dark angels, because then you get hilarious 3+ re rolling jinks.

>>48466229
>Where dem chaos ladies at
>*Monkey Noise*

>>48476771
>30k
>several units get to buy, for example, melta-bombs
>if you do, you have to buy it for the entire unit
>spending 25-60pts. to give entire unit a weapon only one of them can use at a time
>instead of just 5pts. for the sergeant's bombs

First GW fucks up my Rough Riders melta-bomb delivery device and now my Legion Outrider squad with melta-bombs is becoming useless.

This must be what it feels to play Orks...

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>>48468176
It quite clearly states that every shot has chance of Getting Hot