Jumpchain CYOA Thread #974: Mr. Roger's Jumperhood Edition

>>48427787
Uhhh, someone correct me if I'm wrong

Darksiders capstones make you equivalent of a raid boss, so Nazarick would need to work together to fuck you up, but 1v1 you win?

Endgame SMT demons same, but for jumps you might need to be a 1000 cp race or have a capstone boosted by dormant power? Or both. Jesus armor might equal divine tier equipment.

Nasuverse... I think some Servants would match Ainz or Nazarick NPCs one on one, and noble phantasms can go all the way up to world items for EX ones?

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>>48428064
Actually wouldn't Darksiders and SMT races just be Heteromorphic races on various levels, with level cap in SMT being equal to level 100, but without realm of heroes boost or equipment?

>in b4 metatron with divine tier equipment

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Here's my build, been a while since I've seen one posted.
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>>>Total War (1000) (83)
Identity
1000>Rolled 3- Medieval: Total War -000
0900>Agent -100
Skills
0900>Specialization- Assassination (Free Agent) -000
0800>Trust In Me (Discount Agent) -100
0400>Who, Me? (Discount Agent) -400
0200>Run Them Down! -200
Gear
0100>Honor Guard -100
0100>Forged Papers (1 Free Agent) -000
-250>Silver Tongue (Discount Agent) -150
-300>War Games -050
-600>Turncoat -300
-600>Sword of Constantine the Great (Event) -000
Drawback and Event
-300>WhereDoAllOfTheseAssassinsKeepComingFrom? +300
0000>I Am Skantarios +300
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TL;DR: Crusade and stuff. Do whatever Skantarios wants to, with extreme prejudice and pleasure. Use Dark Binding on everyone. Deck out "The 10" (which they shall be named) in full (black, because muh spooky effects) Knight gear. Train them to be the best. Also, Nanobots, or something.They're still human, but with a decent healing factor. I'm keeping them (and am staying myself) relatively in this era in terms of tech. More will come later.

So, /jc/, I'm trying to turn a treasure chest into a Mimic. How would I do that?

>>48428148
Stick your finger into it's key hole.

>>48428148
You take biocrafting abilities and make a creature from scratch that looks like an amazing chest but is really a horrific disappointment.

>>48427915
Agreed with this guy, and continuing the conversation. IF anyone wishes.
I believe Rubedo is said to be stronger than Touch-Me's super build, because he and like six other Guild Members optimized and it never saw a public fight.

Continuing a discussion on getting Divine Tier Equipment or Ring of Elru. I know that the gear has more buffs, I want to weigh up how much the divine gear helps out of jump magic since the ring is really good for it.

>>48428148
There was a jump with a turn stuff into mimics perk but I don't remember which one.

>>48428181
Divine Tier Equipment enhances all of your Class abilities in the novels. However you can forge your own and World Items are impossible to forge, the Staff withstanding.

What can you really do with a mother box? I mostly see them used as interdimensional taxis but I have heard people attributing way more to them than that.

Is the Kaguya bloodline from Naruto worth it, if you already have Omega Self-Molecular?

>>48428215
So Divine Gear doesn't help any other magic system but I can eventually learn to enchant something similar that does?

>>48428215
Can you actually just craft yourself a set of divine tier equipment if you spent hundreds of years on it in jump? (Time dilation perks ho)

>>48428064
No.

Overlord trumps all of them even 1v1. Metatron would just be a high level mob to them. War from DS too. World items are superbly more powerful than even strongest noble phantasms

>>48426511
What jump is this (going to be?) from?

So. I'm not Cracker_Jack, but while we're talking Overlord, Brellin made some additional rulings.

CJ: So, uh, don't shoot the messenger, but some more people on /tg/ had some questions. Edit: Actually, I guess you can shoot the messenger, because i have a question of my own. Can a Warrior train up a weapon other than their chosen one to be a match for their specialization? Say I chose Damage-Focused with a sword as my specialization. Could I then train enough in unarmed combat to be able to use Dimensional Slash (or Punch, as the case may be)?

>So, to address you questions first, Warriors can train up their other weapon skills. They just have to actually train them, rather than being granted them.

>>48423613

1.

>Fanwank. I would say that a combination of yes and no. Yes you start out knowing a lot of stuff, and no in that you don't start out knowing everything. Just as a consequence of having the ability you'll pick up information way faster than you have any right to, up to and including hidden/lost/secret information assuming you're high enough level. Basically assume you start with 'know a little about about most things' and then progress to the higher tiers the longer you've been in a jump. Assume full on 'know a lot about pretty much everything including hidden/secret/lost stuff' by year 5 in a given jump.

>edit- Assuming you're a lvl 100 Bard that is. You cap out at the lower tiers if you're lower level.

2.

>No finding World Items that aren't officially confirmed to exist in canon. It would be way too much of a powergrab otherwise, since people would just say 'oh I totes found like 10 World items while I was in Overlord that do XYZ'. As for duplicating World Items in general that's a no-go, assume all World Items have copy-right protection just like the ones you can buy in jump. If you want them you have to go out and get the originals, and then be careful to hold on to them.

>>48428390
>>48423613

(cont.)

3.

>Depends on the class but the basic answer is that level 100's are walking natural disasters. Ainz canonically cast a spell that instantly killed 70,000 people and summoned 5 lvl 90 Dark Young of Shub Niggaroth as servitors (the lives of the ones killed were used as the fuel for the summoning), which then went on to kill a confirmed 110,000 additional people. For a total of 180,000 dead from a single spell. He can pull that sort of thing off several times a day, and so could any other lvl 100 magic caster. And now keep in mind that the only reason those monsters didn't go on to kill more people is because Ainz called them off and then dismissed them, the could easily have stuck around and continued their trampling spree.

>Imagine casting a spell like that in a major modern city at, say, a stadium during a major sporting event. Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dead instantly and now there's a 5+ 90th lvl monsters running around that are all something like 40 meters tall and effectively invulnerable to traditional weaponry, all of whom have bladed tentacle whips capable of casually turning full grown men wearing plate armor into red mist with single swipes, that can run significantly faster than a horse at full gallop, and they're all running wild in a major city tearing down buildings and trampling everyone and everything they come across.

>That's a canon Over-Rank spell right there. And now keep in mind that the different origins are balanced against each other. So, basically, yes. Lvl 100's are a big fucking deal in any setting without major league superheroes or equivalent powers to counteract them.

>edit- As an additional aside Mare, a lvl 100 druid, was able to basically create earthquakes strong enough to shake the entire capital city of the Empire on demand. Not over-rank magic either mind you, this is something he could literally just spam out all day as long as he had the mana for it.

>>48428416
(cont. 2)
>>48423770
>Not as an innate ability, no.

>>48428230
Mother Boxes can access the energy of the Source for various effects; they can change the gravitational constant of an area, transfer energy from one place to another, sense danger, sense life, create force fields, rearrange molecular structure of matter, absorb or project powerful shock blasts, create electro-webs, control the mental state of a host, communicate telepathically with a host or other life form, manipulate the life-force of a host to sustain it past fatal injuries, open and close boom tubes, take over and control non-sentient machines, evolve non-sentient machines, merge sentient beings into a single more powerful being, sustain a life form in a hostile environment such as space, and do many other things. Mother Boxes have an affinity for the Source and are believed to draw their power from it. In that sense, they can be seen as a computer that links man to God.
To the New Gods, they are common appliances (used much like a PDA or smartphone on Earth), insofar as a sentient device can be called an "appliance". Other DC characters are given access to them at specific times, when they are in need of aid. Notably, Superman was given one when he went in pursuit of Doomsday.

>>48428275
Nope.

>>48428314
You can craft a set of Divine Tier in the length of time a normal MMO's Raid Gear. Weeks if not days of concentrated effort, however that may be multiplied as you don't have access to the world the crafting system was originally for. Some perks could help in getting around that but it'll be one hell of a stopgap until you get them.

>>48428341
The strongest Noble Phantasms can summon and bind demons, beings that are literally bits of reality glitching the fuck out aka living Marble Phantasms, and 'ignore the concept of damage'. World Items are more wide in scope. One World Item was used in the original game to ban Momonga's guild from entry into an entire ninth of the game, a world among the branches of the YGGDRASIL.

>>48428370
Elfen Lied.

>>48427923
Once per casting, though you could use item crafting to enchant it as a continuous effect.

>>48423613
>Fanwank. I would say that a combination of yes and no. Yes you start out knowing a lot of stuff, and no in that you don't start out knowing everything. Just as a consequence of having the ability you'll pick up information way faster than you have any right to, up to and including hidden/lost/secret information assuming you're high enough level. Basically assume you start with 'know a little about about most things' and then progress to the higher tiers the longer you've been in a jump. Assume full on 'know a lot about pretty much everything including hidden/secret/lost stuff' by year 5 in a given jump.

>No finding World Items that aren't officially confirmed to exist in canon. It would be way too much of a powergrab otherwise, since people would just say 'oh I totes found like 10 World items while I was in Overlord that do XYZ'. As for duplicating World Items in general that's a no-go, assume all World Items have copy-right protection just like the ones you can buy in jump. If you want them you have to go out and get the originals, and then be careful to hold on to them.

>Depends on the class but the basic answer is that level 100's are walking natural disasters. Ainz canonically cast a spell that instantly killed 70,000 people and summoned 5 lvl 90 Dark Young of Shub Niggaroth as servitors (the lives of the ones killed were used as the fuel for the summoning), which then went on to kill a confirmed 110,000 additional people. For a total of 180,000 dead from a single spell. He can pull that sort of thing off several times a day, and so could any other lvl 100 magic caster. And now keep in mind that the only reason those monsters didn't go on to kill more people is because Ainz called them off and then dismissed them, the could easily have stuck around and continued their trampling spree.

(Cont.)

Overlord jump was a mistake.

>>48428148
Dark Cloud, has a pair of lockpicks available for CP that let you do just that.

>>48428510
>Imagine casting a spell like that in a major modern city at, say, a stadium during a major sporting event. Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dead instantly and now there's a 5+ 90th lvl monsters running around that are all something like 40 meters tall and effectively invulnerable to traditional weaponry, all of whom have bladed tentacle whips capable of casually turning full grown men wearing plate armor into red mist with single swipes, that can run significantly faster than a horse at full gallop, and they're all running wild in a major city tearing down buildings and trampling everyone and everything they come across.

>That's a canon Over-Rank spell right there. So, basically, yes. Lvl 100's are a big fucking deal in any setting without major league superheroes or equivalent powers to counteract them.

>>48423770
>Not as an innate ability, no.

Can you guys help me decide on a Dresden build?

Wizard - 200

Magic 101 - 0
The Sight - 0
Wizard Tricks - 0
Clued In - 0
Power To Burn - 150
Refined Spellcasting - 150
Soul Source - 300
Empty Knight - 800

Big Apocalyptic Trilogy + 600

OR

Big Trouble - 400

Soul Source - 600 (Or I could drop this and take either both of the Wizard casting perks, or one of them and Job Offer or something)
Creature Features - 0
Glamorous - 0
Seelie Magic - 150
Multiple Choice - 300

Big Apocalyptic Trilogy + 600

(I know the CP doesn't add up. I'd balance it with items or whatever.

>>48428511
Eh. It's the Flavor Of The Month.

FotM Jumps means FotM Builds means FotM Chains, it's like everybody following Ghostcrawler's lead on jumping on the Mage train.

>>48428511
Most jumps are like this when an update rolls around.

>>48428511
Eh, I like having D&D magic without material components.

Material components just take the... well, "magic" out of it for me.

>>48428563

Depends. What's your Jumper like? Harry could use a partner in Chicago, what with all the incredible crap he gets into, but I wouldn't want to try it without luck perks (or in a pinch, Serendipity if you've got enough points).

>>48428642
Any particular reason he couldn't help Harry as a Changeling?

>>48428634
Ignore Material Components feat? Or use Conjoined Conjures from Card Captor to mix D&D with FFTA or similar to use mana instead.

>>48428634
Which reminds me, we never came up with a way to bypass material components other than D&D feats. Anybody got any ideas?

>>48428655
Probably because having the Leanansidhe's crotch goblin following him around will just bring more trouble to his doorstep?

>>48428655
Oh, he certainly could, but a friendly Wizard could also help him with the Council in ways a Changeling couldn't.

What are the strongest plain durability perks in /jc/?

>>48428955
Plain as in nothing else comes with it? I dunno.

But both maxed FISS from PS238 and Omega Inorganic Form from X-Men Movies let you shrug off small nukes.

So if i want wlking tanks in GuP, where besides star wars should i look?

>>48429046
I assume you mean walking. Try Ring of Red.

Where can I go to become a ghost? And I mean ghost, not spirit/energy being/what have you -- a bona-fide, motherfuckin' ghost.

>>48429230
If you can stomach it, Ghostbusters.

>>48429230
Danny Phantom, Killer Instinct, Imawabi no Dakini(?), Bleach... I'm sure there are others.

>>48428341
1000 cp races can moves at mach 50 and are city-country busters with abilities that completely bypass supernatural defenses and durability. Metatron certainly isn't a 'high-level mob'.

>>48429230
Danny Phantom has a half-ghost option.

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Another Build!
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Identity (32 y/o)
1000>Rolled 1- Mars: Res Ops -000
1000>Drop-In -000
Skills
1000>Combat Training (Free Drop-In) -000
1000>Pathfinder (Free Drop-In) -000
0700>Praetorian (Discount Drop-In) -300
0500>Fortune and Glory (Discount Drop In) -200
0200>Prophecy of the Seraphim -300
0100>Hellfire -100
-100>Managment -200
Gear
-100>Crate of Guns+ Pistol (Free Drop-In) -000
-200>Super Shotgun (Discount Drop-In) -100
-300>Testament -100
Drawbacks
-200>DOOT +100
0000>Too Late +200
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Objective: Fucking nothing. Have fun killing Demons. Maybe share a beer with Doomguy, if he's into it. Take a break from the chain, and drawbacks, etc etc to simply have a little fun. Oh, and CheatMode the Praetor Suits and some guns for "The 10"

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Hi. Just tweaking Red Dead Redemption to fix it up. Just wondering if the Dead Eye Targeting perk is ok free, some people think it should cost? Also got a wip for Undead Nightmare and just looking for a 600cp perk for survivor and any criticism. When I complete Undead Nightmare I'll post both of the finished jumps at the same time.

>>48429230
This reminds me: We need a Wraith: the Oblivion jump.

>>48429260
Both your and Doomguy's Praetor Suits are locked to you/him and cannot be used by others, the copies would be useless.

>>48429250
>1000 cp races can moves at mach 50 and are city-country busters
Seriously? How physically strong are they?

>>48429274
Basic Shooting Skills is fine as a freebie, Dead Eye Targeting should cost points.

>>48429046
Ghost In The Shell. Tachikomas a best tank.

>>48429282
How many WoD scenarios are there?

>>48429274
>600cp perk for survivor
Maybe something that would provide a resistance to direct body alteration?

>>48429340
>scenarios
Do you mean splats?

>>48429382
Yes.

>>48429398
Old: vampire, werewolf, mage, wraith, changeling, kuei-jin, hunter, demon, mummy
New: vampire, werewolf, mage, promethian, changeling, hunter, geist, mummy, demon, beast

>>48429398
Classic/Old World of Darkness
>Vampire: The Masquerade
>Werewolf: The Apocalypse
>Mage: The Ascension
>Wraith: The Oblivion
>Changeling: The Dreaming
>Hunter: The Reckoning
>Demon: The Fallen
>Mummy: The Resurrection
>Kindred of the East
>Orpheus


Classic also has "Anniversary Editions" and some "Dark Ages" versions of other splats.
>Dark Ages: Vampire
>Dark Ages: Werewolf
>Dark Ages: Mage
>Dark Ages: Fae
>Dark Ages: Inquisitor


New/Chronicles of Darkness
>Vampire: The Requiem
>Werewolf: The Forsaken
>Mage: The Awakening
>Promethean: The Created
>Changeling: The Lost
>Hunter: The Vigil
>Geist: The Sin-Eaters
>Mummy: The Curse
>Demon: The Descent
>Beast: The Primordial

Classic also has "Anniversary Editions" and some "Dark Ages" versions of other splats.

>>48429436
>>48429463
What about fan made ones like genius?

>>48429477
I personally feel that most don't fit the style or tone or the rest of the games, but hen again that's true for quite a few of the canon ones mainly from the CWoD.

Demon: The Redemption
Djinn The Binding
Dragon: The Embers
Genius: The Transgression
Goddess Reborn Chronicle
Hunchback: The Lurching
Janus: The Persona
Leviathan: The Tempest
Pathogen: The Infected
Princess: The Hopeful
Outsider: The Calling
Wraith: The Arising
Psychic The Gifted

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Should be done before tomorrow is over. Need sleep. Anything in here so far is subject to change.

Are there any good perks for getting rid of any distaste for killing that a jumper might have from coming from a civilized society?

>>48429529
"Tolerance of Evil" from Overlord is exactly this. And there's another from Killing Bites -- not quite sure what it's called, though.

>>48429507
>>48429463
>>48429436
Wow, more than I thought there was. I'm still hoping for Genius: The Transgression and Werewolf: The Apocalypse jumps, if only because the settings sound interesting.

>>48429529
Commoragh has a perk for this.

>>48429529
... Uh, curious, why? Having that is actually healthy, anon. Much safer to get a perk that leaves the distaste intact while preventing any psych problems afterwards.

>>48429576
Because it is a liability for surviving a lot of settings.

>>48429555
Of all of them, these are the ones I find most interesting/would be most willing to create a jump out of:

>Wraith: The Oblivion
>Hunter: The Reckoning

>Dark Ages: Fae
>Dark Ages: Inquisitor

>Promethean: The Created
>Hunter: The Vigil

>>48429463
>>48429596

Huh. It's weird how little /tg/ jumps we have, considering... well, you know.

>>48429586
What settings? And what I'd instead suggest is perks that let you keep the distaste but not have it interfere with survival. Perks that allow you to identify foes/monsters, perks that ensure mental stability, perks that provide professional military training, etc.

>>48429529

there is this from Generic Western Jump

Heart Cold As Steel: 200 CP, Discount Bandito You don’t feel that whole “remorse” thing anymore (well, unless you want to). You're very good at inflicting pain on others, and ignoring the mental scarring this can cause you. From knowing the best ways to torture someone (and having the willpower to go through with it) to knowing which member of a posse is the weak link you should shoot first, you are horrifically capable of, well, horrifying people.

>>48429274
I feel like the multiplayer version without slow time should be free at least.

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>>48429620
I know, right?

>>48428064
>Darksiders

It's hard to tell, to be honest. For all the hype in the lore the gameplay's mostly God of War-style shooty/smashy stuff. I...think that's roughly accurate though; their main advantage would be magic hax. DEFINITELY for Riders, who're probably at lesat equal to Rubedo; War spent most of the game being nerfed by a seal and still killed the hell out of loads of people on his way to fighting a fallen archangel, while Death slew the mutated former leader of the Nephilim race in his final battle in the second game.

Yes, I'd think the same would go for 1000CPers and Dormant Power-boosting; have you looked at some of the 600 CP races? Even some of those could give a party of average Nazarick NPCs serious trouble. Jesus Armor + Chosen of Raphael + Herald in particular's probably going to bring up some nasty raid memories from their YGGDRASIL days.

Nasuverse is the inverse in my opinion; more versatile hax and the innate intangibility is a nice trick, but you wanna use things like HSDW smartly (claim territory, empower something else to come at them from an indirect angle etc) rather than get into a magic shootout like Ainz and Shalltear's fight. Since Excalibur is A++, I'd say that and anything above would be enough to trump World Items given its' matter-erasing blast. High level Magic Resistance-A+++-to be safe and Independant Action would be an amazing boon in this specific scenario. But in general, you'd want/want to emulate a Servant in the same ballpark of Karna, Achilles, Siegfried or Arturia with Avalon as close as possible with the supplement if you want to have a chance at fighting more than one NPC.

>>48429274
Make it 300-400cp. Things got great power and utility.

>>48429660
Nah, I's say ones like the Breaking Bad one where you can toggle it, so you can go to Counter Strike without getting fucked up immediately then go to Nichijou without accidentally establishing the Trenchcoat Mafia.

What's the absolute biggest, baddest, scariest thing in the New World of Darkness other than Inferno and the Abyss? Exarchs, Principle, True Fae or God-Machine?

What would be a good word/phrase to describe someone with followers that are loyal but don't really respect them? Like a princess with devoted protectors who don't truly respect her because she is a girl.

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>>48429528
Almost missed this. Goodness, here comes the nostalgia of being an edgy 14 year old.

Nothing wrong with Hollow Heart but-I can't help but wonder if it's supposed to be a chicken-and-egg kind of thing given that part at the end; is it supposed to mean it doesn't make people stay with you after they recover, but it tends to draw in the kind of people who'd want to anyway-or their possesiveness will end if they heal?

Does Destroyer of Worlds cover the knowledge to create massive biological computers out of human beings, like Anna Kakuzawa?

Maybe MOVE! and Badass should have their prices swapped? That sort of combat precog seems pretty ace; not getting hit at all is better than any kind of defence after all.

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>>48430340
Professionals.

Wageslaves.

Flunkies.

Minions.

Caretakers.

Really depends on the exact nature of their working relationship, I'd think.

>>48430340
I'd describe her as a princess with a bunch of misogynists.

To be more serious, maybe the correct word in that instance would be "retainers"?

That was weird. I just opened up the drive, and instead of the usual page and all that, it sent me to an actual google drive version, and I can't access Quicksilver's jumps, nor anyone elses'. I can only get to the ones still in the new jump folder. Anyone else having this problem?

>>48430425
Nope, works fine for me.

>>48430397
Well I used a princess as an example but what I am looking for is a gender neutral term for someone with loyal followers who don't really respect the object of their loyalty as a leader.

Someone whose followers are loyal out of duty or affection rather than actual respect and think they what's best for their "leader" better than said "leader" does.

>>48430425
It's working fine for me.

>>48430373
>>48430397
Looking to describe the leader of such followers not the followers themselves.

>>48430435
>>48430443
So I just checked it again, and now it seems the link at the top is not only in Google Drive form, but it's also connected to the Banned and Lewd jumps.
Seriously, no one else is seeing this? The hell's going on here?

>>48430469
Someone linked to SB's drive. Probably a troll.

>>48430304
Are Antediluvians a still a thing in NWoD? If so I nominate them.

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>>48430462
Oh, right.

Out of their depth, and figurehead.

>>48430503
Antediluvians? Really? I thought those things could be nuked to death, meaning they aren't even the baddest things in oWOD. Also no, as far as I can tell they're not present at all in nWOD. There's just these inexplicable, amnesiac asshole owl spirits whose MO means they probably hail from Inferno and forgot.

>>48430469
I'm seeing the normal drive via the OP link, so I dunno. May be something on your end?

>>48430462
Dictator? Overlord? Despot? Supervisor? Handler? Figurehead? Master?

So I have a dumb question but I just want to clarify something. When your jump ends you take whatever is on your person with you in to the next jump correct?

>>48430533
>>48430556
Thanks but still not really what I am looking for see >>48430440, probably going to have to get. . . "creative".

>>48430564
Whatever is on your person and in your warehouse, usually.

>>48430533
Didn't just one Antediluvian require three ancient Chinese vampire martial arts masters and an orbital solar array turning into a laser to kill it?

>>48430564
I do, but there's no official rule either way. Fanwank something.

>>48430564
Everything you're wearing/carrying goes with you unless it's sapient, whether into the next jump or if you fanwank there's an interim period into the warehouse.

>>48430564
Does not compute, proceed with fanwanking.

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>>48429529
>Are there any good perks for getting rid of any distaste for killing that a jumper might have from coming from a civilized society?

Who needs a perk?

>>48430631
Most jumpers started out as an average 4chan user. . . there really is no reason for such perks to exist!

>>48430581
>>48430590
>>48430594
>>48430609
*clears throat trying to hold in an evil laugh* ... err I mean thank you all for your response and humoring my stupid question.

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Rtype
Researcher
R-Type free
K-type 900
Bydo lab chief 700
Renaissance Man 400

Items
Launch bay free
R-9JC Custom free
UFBS-010 Heimdall -600


Drawbacks
Power up! -400
Bydo Bait -200
Auto scrolling -100
The genetic structure of the strange life forms known as “Bydo” remains a mystery 0


Plan is to attach the tech for graviton beam emitters onto a bunch of ships for maximum overkill. Put as much samples of bydo dna in cold storage as possible for later use. Honestly Im not super sure what RType tech can do and its like 4 AM here. Not firing on all cylinders.

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Speaking of nWOD, if you're out there Elonanon what say you about Changeling 2e? Might that be a +0 CP drawback, or maybe even something you have to actually pay points for? Because in 2e, the True Fae are apparently both a lot more distant and a lot easier to flip the bird to, and haven't even been introduced directly so far.

Because off the top of my head, the biggest change is the Bulwark ritual Changelings can do to turn a Freehold into a mystic deathtrap of arbitrary rules called Approaches the Fae have to follow or get fucked up basically.

So instead they either send loyalist Stockholm Syndrome'd Changelings, or create something called a Huntsman-they infuse a bit of their essence into some of Arcadia's dreamstuff, and contract with an Arcadian hunting spirit to bring them back the Changeling so the thing can go back to being a formless spirit instead of a sentient being. They hate being physical so much the first thing they do on Earth is kill some dude, which gives them basic knowledge of the physical realm. And they look mostly humanoid for some reason, and while Approaches can't bind them they're incentivised to do so because they provide them with Yearnings: Mystic emotion energy that stops them from literally following apart.

They're anti-Changelings, basically.

>>48430588
That's the one I was thinking of, yes. The reason i don't consider them to be the biggest baddest thing in nWOD is because of the sheer scope of the Weaver and the Wyrm (they're two of the most powerful spirits in the setting), the implications of Mage's collective unconsciousness-influenced cosmology and the technical existence of Lucifer.

>>48430564
I agree with everyone who just replied.

>>48430666
Do note that depending on the wording of your chosen origin / starting location in the next jump or the fanwanked nature of your personal Benefactor, the stuff could be dumped into your warehouse / arrive in a position other than being held by you. But if you're planning to make an amusing exit like picking up the Mona Lisa, the Crown Jewels or the Hope Diamond two seconds before a jump expires and waving at the police before vanishing into thin air (from their perspective), the rules oblige.

Alright well now I have another question... When people roll to see if they survive a jump or not, what odds to do you give yourself? How do you determine what's a success and what's a horrible death? Do you take in to account plans, resources and opposition? Do you just look at the result and decide, well that's real low and I was in a dangerous place so time to start a new jump or how do you do it?

>>48430721
>When people roll to see if they survive a jump or not
that's stupid.

>>48430687
Eh, whatever you say man. I really don't know much about oWOD, and heard about that while surfing the web.

>>48430721
Basically as you describe but I don't roll for death, I roll for how much Im gonna hurt in jump. Jumpchan likes to see me suffer.

>>48430742
I think if you get a 10 on a 10d100 you should call it game

>>48430340
If you have no respect for her you can call her all kinds of words.

>>48424724
I am bad at keeping up with the thread. Sorry.
Did you have any questions I can help with or just miss me?

>>48430702
Eh I am just planning to take the Naruto jump with both the A real ninja and MC-chan drawbacks. Since I take stuff with me I am not completely bereft of my equipment. It's important when you load up on drawbacks to take in to account what you do still have access to.

>>48430821
Drawbacks that remove Warehouse access generally do not let you sneak around it by keeping stuff on your body. Your abusing the wording of the drawback to get around the spirit of it.

>>48430771
Snd I think if you dont need to eat, sleep, breath, or even move to survive because you are some quasi energy being that you should be just fine no matter how low you roll in most settings. You do you and I'll do me.

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>>48430721
...to be honest I never figured out how rolling was supposed to work, especially when some people started to roll on the lower=better principle. Way back I experimented with a bunch of ways, with the vague idea of "bigger numbers=better outcome" and anything above 50 was a success, anything below 50 a failure and anything exactly 50 was a very awkward moment.

After a while though I just couldn't keep up with all the potential modifiers that might lower/increase the threshold of such a roll. I just kind of gave up on rolling even before I attained near-absolute control over probability and just stuck to writing something fitting.

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>>48430846
>You do you and I'll do me.
>Crit Failing a roll with 10^19 - 1 other possible results

>>48430836
>Drawbacks that remove Warehouse access generally do not let you sneak around it by keeping stuff on your body.
No one has ever tried or even asked about it. So you can't say they generally don't. If everyone just assumes something that doesn't make it a rule.
Ok, I am officially asking now, if NinjaAnon is around or next time I see him on I will ask; is this alright, you did not specify this. I mean even sneaking a few items in is still putting me at a rather huge disadvantage, especially combined with the rest of the drawback. You can't really blame me for looking for a little wiggle room.

>>48430920
Plenty of people have actually, it's almost always been a no. This is something basic logic should tell you. What's the point of a drawback that seals your warehouse and powers if it lets you take along some uber powerful power armour or artefact imbued with copies of your powers?

>>48430847
understandable. Usually I would rather write something than roll. However I am trying to see if something is even possible, part of the challenge is that I might fail so I kind of need the chance of failing. Though gauging how much of a disadvantage I am at and how much my prep work has countered all that is going to be... a real pain.

>>48430836
>>48430920
>>48430944

Uh, actually, that doesn't prevent him from taking whatever he was carrying at the time. Drawbacks end when the jump does; whether his chain has him appearing in his warehouse or immediately in the next jump, either way that's after the Naruto jump so the drawback doesn't apply.

>>48430966
He's talking about using it to keep things coming INTO Naruto, not leaving it.

>>48430944
Damn, now I am feeling kind of unoriginal I thought I was the first to find the loophole. Well not everyone has those items... I certainly don't though certainly something to keep in mind. Anyways Items have the inherent problems; They can get stolen and taken away and used against you or broken. They aren't quite as good as having the powers yourself and usually those types of things are not point protected or if they are they appear in your warehouse.

>>48430972
Oh.
>reads An Actual Ninja and MC-CHAN drawbacks
Okay, "rules as written", it says nothing about items carried into the jump.
>reads Background descriptions
But these do. They all state what you start with in the jump. Sorry Ravenloft, looks like no dice.

>>48430995
>They can get stolen and taken away and used against you or broken.
Or they could be cybernetics, implanted magical items, the bag from Wakfu that gives you a house-sized space or any Bag of Holding type thing from D&D, Harry Potter, or any other setting with that kind of magic just full up of loot from hundreds of high powered settings... You see the problem.

>>48430995
So what's the point of having the warehouse sealed then? Why even mention it? After all, if your abusing the wording to this extent you might as well claim you get anything automatically placed in the setting like the Light of Terra or the Girls und panzer schoolship.

Doesn't matter if everyone has those items, the same loophole you say exists would let you bring in a dozen rings imbued with your favourite powers to bypass the power seal part of the drawback. You can get around those limits by giving anti theft perks or enchantments to the items you have.

Most importantly, this bullshit you're trying to pull goes against the spirit of the A Real Ninja drawback. How are you being a real ninja if you can bring in A shrunken down Gundam or something? Or if you have ten super powered magic rings?

>>48431018
>How are you being a real ninja if you can bring in A shrunken down Gundam or something?
To be fair, sneaking in concealed items is very much a real ninja thing. Completely defeats the point of the drawback, though.

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>>48431031

>>48431013
>>48431015
>>48431018
>>48431031

Ah well... I relent this time, you can't blame me for trying. You have to admit it was a nice try.

>>48431064
No, it wasn't. You tried abusing a loophole that basic common sense and multiple past incidents should've told you didn't exist.

>>48431064
>You have to admit it was a nice try.
Well, it was better than most of Bancho's attempts, but that's about all that can be said for it.

>>48431105
Now hold on, I never claimed to have common sense and never saw those past incidents so you can't hold them against me.

In Age of Empires 3 what would be some good ways to help the native americans defend against the European nations and help my own colony expand?

>>48431518
There's no way, savages are inherently inferior to the white man.

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Anyone else here is excited for this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSzx-zryEgM

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>>48431530
>Not helping a inferior power to help create relations between the new nation from the natives and the Tsar.

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Demolition Man

27 years old
Assistant
The Three Seashells
I'm a Seamstress? 50
I'm Good at Subtle
I'm No Leader 350
City Government to Run 500
Can Play the Accordion Too?! 1100
My Society 1400
I'm An Oscar-Meyer Wiener 1300
Cryo Prison 1000

I love the guy that makes these jumps. Always fun stuff.

Chose Assistant as it had the best 300 CP and 600 CP perk combination, I felt the Rebel capstone wasn't great and the 300 CP Cryo-Prisoner perk is only really useful for as long as you're using modern/historical mundane weapons which isn't really all that common to jumpers when they're not just screwing around.

I'm a Seamstress? is pretty funny as a 50 CP perk. On the plus side I imagine I'd have never learnt to sew properly otherwise. 50 CP perks that are just proficiencies at weird things are a good idea.

I'm Good at Subtle is another blend in perk for the pile.

I'm No Leader makes you good enough that you can help a tribe thrive in a stupidly hostile and unpleasant environment. Notably it's written as a skill as well which is interesting. I'm thinking of sticking this somewhere close to LoT so I remember how to do this sort of thing as that's pretty much exactly what Part I is.

City Government to Run is sort of Part II of LoT. One man running a city-state is totally insane and this lets you do it.

Can Play the Accordion Too?! lets you use any technology you come across which is always handy.

My Society lets you know how to run your perfect society.which is good as even with City Government to Run I really don't know what I'm doing.

I'm An Oscar-Meyer Wiener is fine as I can try to reintroduce rock and roll to the masses. Also god damn it's 2032, who listens to the radio anymore?

Cryo Prison is one that I'm relying on perks to make less bad. Taking several to mean on average 7 moments of clarity a week I'm dealing with being conscious around 13104 times. Got It's Always Sunny from Sitcoms pretty early so I'll just sing songs in my head or something.

>>48431577
Whelp, I am now.

>>48431577
Almost makes me wish I went for magic in Marvel, instead of DC.

>>48428667
You could always just write you own versions of spells that don't have a material component. Substitute a focus for them for them instead.

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>>48428667
See: >>48431622

You could easily research versions of those same spells that use verbal and somatic components instead of material.

>>48431608
Getting on Dr. Strange level (even movie levels) is going to be really hard.

Was there even a magic perk on the MCU or Marvel Jump?

>>48431701
There is going to be if there isn't Red will update it since MCU is their jump.

>>48431714
*isn't. Red
Fuck me for forgetting a period.

>>48431701
>Was there even a magic perk on the MCU or Marvel Jump?
No, there isn't.

>>48431714
Shouldn't the magic perk be saved for a part 2 of the MCU jump? Already got a lot of stuff on it and the movies have plenty of stuff coming up.

Speaking of superhero jumps.. Which DCAU jumps were being made? Am I correct in thinking it was Batman the animated series Superman the animated series and a JL Animated Jump?

>>48431749
That seems to be the idea.

>>48430087
Ah, would Jesus armor immunities or NP immunities work on world items?

>>48431781
Depends on whether the jumpmakers of those jumps consider them immunities or say they're just resistances like Brellin said World Item stuff is.

>>48431781
World Items aren't absolute, just 'really' powerful. I would still go with SMT monsters or really powerful Noble Phantasms any day.

In order to bring companions who are simultaneously items (like Anubis, or the Lor Starcutter) in their item form, and not as a proper character, do you still have to pay to import them?

>>48431714
>Red
ew

This has probably came up before but why does Black Bullet have no drop in discounts or drawbacks? It's annoying me as I can't take all the stuff I want to take.

What happens if I take the Drawback from half-life that throws the G-man into the mix of things, and then kill the G-man with "Q this"?

>>48431868
Very early jump. You can still get your entire perk line and one or two things from the other perk line, not sure how much more you could ask for.

>>48431881
I was wanting to take both capstones in the Initiator line and Cybernetic Upgrade - Eisenhardt, makes it 1200cp so it kinda fucks me.

>>48431868
It's an old jump, so it's going to be jenky.

>>48431871
then you'll have to watch out for his brother C-Man

>>48431901
The one to worry about is D-Man, he'll fuck you every chance he gets.

>>48431868
The jumpmaker's logic largely was that there could be no drawback worse than being there, and that being a drop in is a huge benefit.

>>48431909
Nah E-man is who you should be worried about friend.

>>48431894
CYOA man. Gotta make some choices.

>>48428241
I mean, it gives you access to their jutsu that you wouldn't get otherwise? If you can already manipulate and grow bones into whatever you want, only the ninja techniques should appeal.

One thing worth noting is that Kaguya herself uses the technique to do something call 'all-killing ash bones', which means she can cause her bones to dissolve any and everything they stab. Maybe you could replicate it.

Is there any way to power up Q this so that reality warping entities cannot warp anything within 5 feet of me?

>>48431930
I think D&D has some stuff that lets you use touch attacks at range

>>48431930
Become a reality warper, or get a perk that enforces the laws of physics when you're near. I think Observer might do that, Johnny Test also has one iirc.

>>48431868
It's just the way the jump is. It's a fairly old-ish jump (2014) so there's not really any helping it.

>>48431871
We don't really know, as his full role and power is not really explained. At some points in HL2 he seems to help the Rebels, and in HL1 he seems to be on "humanity's" side. So killing him might have Unforeseen Consequences for humanity's future, especially as he seems to be actively helping humanity but is also somehow responsible for the whole mess in the first place.

>>48428678
Leanansidhe already technically owned his ass before she sold him to Mab though.

>>48431930
Get the Legacy Of Use perk from Smite, obtain mastery of self (whatever that means), start fighting reality warpers and it will upgrade itself.

>>48429046
Metal Gear.

>>48431930
Use portals so you can touch anything anywhere

>>48429463
>>48429436
Reminder that Werewolf the Apoc is being worked.

Also you forgot Dark Ages Vampire, which is also taken.

>>48431871
Unless you're willing and able to do his job, humanity goes extinct, as G-Man's interventions prevented that from happening.

>>48431930
I think a better bet would be to start with Agitation Field from SCP rather than Q this. Though as it requires you be a Keter class in SCP it's not nearly as attainable.

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>>48431842
someone pls respond

>>48431977
>as G-Man's interventions prevented that from happening.

I thought that that was basically Freeman's doing in HL2, and he caused the threat in HL1.

>>48431981
You don't need to import them, they can still join you in a world so long as you don't have more than 8 active at once. Import is just to give them memories, backgrounds or cp. As far as I'm aware that it.

>>48431981
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You seem to assume that you have to import companions to have them with you, as where you only have to import them to give them a history in that jump and often points to spend or other benefits.

>>48431842
>>48431981
You don't have to import companions just to take them into the jump with you, only to give them a background/CP of their own.

But unless noted (I think Young Justice has something like that), item companions still take up one of your 8 companion slots.

>>48431990
>>48431994
>>48431998
I genuinely never knew that. Thanks for letting me know.

>>48431986
G-Man sets things up that help Freeman during HL1 and HL2. If you pick through the game/lore, it implies that G-Man didn't so much cause the invasion as he caused it to happen Not As Planned for the Combine.

Note that this doesn't necessarily mean that the G-Man is a friend, just that he or his employers have their own plans.

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>>48431952
>dat spoiler inception

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>>48431930
Combine it with the other perks that fuck with realty warping: Agitation Field (SCP), Jam (RWBY) and Moloch's Razor (Girl Genius). There was another one in Infinicon but I didn't bought it, so I don't remember the name.
>>48431978
Also keep in mind that it doesn't distinguish between your stuff or companions and the things that you target.

Anything in the area is going to be bound to 'normal' world physics and if it is technology based, it is going to be broken.

And the area is large enough it affects an entire Foundation building, so it's probably pretty large. You might want to get Toggle from YJ to fix that.

>>48431871
You probably want to make sure that the portal storms don't happen. Keep in mind that both Aperture and Black Mesa were working on the same technology, so that might be complicated.

Is anyone working on The Fifth Element? Because if not I'm going to be tossing one together in this next week.

>>48432098
Not as far as I know.

>>48432089
Preventing the portal storms will be problematic, since you arrive after the situation is already FUBAR and the Combine have noticed the dimensional distortion. Not a job for an early-game jumper.

>>48432098
I don't know of anyone working on it, though I have to request a perk for being able to design dna in a way that is flatly absurd.

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>>48432119
Damn it I thought I attached this.

>>48432130
There is nothing wrong with DNA that looks like Chinese finger cuffs.

>>48432104
>>48432119
Sweet. Thanks guys.

I hadn't planned on a DNA perk like that. It didn't strike me as actually useful in any way. But I'll consider it. Possibly as an unsiscounted perk.

Anyone else have requests while we're on the topic?

>>48432152
Sweet ass opera singing perk is a must.

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>>48426418
>What would a God Tier Knight of Hope or Heart be able to do?
CleanupAnon here, bit late, but just in case you still want an answer to your question... All suggestions, as always.


Knights are a class that exploits their class and uses it as a weapon.
Light's the aspect of Luck, Knowledge, and Fortuitous Outcomes. Also a bit of spotlight drawing/being seen as important there.

So, a Knight of Light would then translate to someone who actively uses everything he knows to his advantage, exploits his luck in ridiculous ways (never tell me the odds on a '1 in a million shot', anyone?), and would excell in distracting and drawing enemies to themselves to protect others.

They'd be able to leverage their knowledge, luck, and probably reputation to get things done.

Maybe extra proficiency with laser-based weaponry, in a literal sense?


Heart's the aspect of Identity, Souls, and Emotions (primarily positive ones).

So, a Knight of Heart would use their own emotions and impulses to get some kind advantage. Power of determination/love/friendship power-ups and all.

They'd be experts in exploiting other people's feelings and personalities, getting people to /want/ to help or do what the Knights wants them to do.

/Might/ go literal and form a weapon of their own soul at high levels?

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>>48432152
Give me a crate of ZF-1's and a perk that means someone will be on hand to pat me on the back if I choke on a cherry pit, and I'll be happy.

>>48432150
Dude that dna is an octuple helix, and literally everything stated about her dna in the movie is retarded.

>>48431976
Is it going to have a werefox option? I've got a couple different kinds of Kitsune going on and I'd like to keep my stride.

>>48432198
See if it's in changnig breeds.

>>48432195
French space science laughs in the face of your silly laws.

>>48432209
Is there a link to the wip?

Overlord the series question,if you take more than one set of class skills and level 100+realm of heroes +world champion do they to apply each of set of class skills or are they divided between them?

>>48432181
Naturally. Will probably be undiscounted as I'm not sure I'll have a background for it.

>>48432189
I'm planning to give three crates of ZF-1s and blueprints as a item buy.

I like the back pat idea though. I'll work it in for sure.

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>>48431595
Doom 2016

Mars: Advanced Research Complex
Demon of Hell
Cult Occult 400
Hellfire
Management 500
Rune Magic 800
Demonic Form
Imposing 900
Empowered by the Well 1100
Lord of Hell 1400
Prophecy of the Seraphim 1700
Pistol
Testament
DOOT 1600
Too Late 1400
Stingy 1000

Realised I hadn't really looked at this one properly.

Went Demon and took most of both of their trees as the tech doesn't seem up to much in this setting.

Cult Occult was the only non-Demon perk I took. Pretty good for making people obsessed with my cause. Fun that you don't have to really believe in your cause to work.

Hellfire seems to be further unlockable blastiness.

Management makes my troops more tactical and efficient as well as what looks like a fear/loyalty bonus. Really like taking things that affect your whole armies as if you take enough of them you have a ridiculous edge without really having to do anything.

Rune Magic was largely because I was taking the capstone booster so I figured I might as well even though I'm not sure what it is or what the limits of it are.

Imposing makes me a big demon. Mostly just like it for the menacing voice.

Empowered by the Well enhances magic.

Lord of Hell is an authority/customisable form option.

Prophecy of Seraphim lets me put runes on other people and make people demons which seems like combined with the Management and Cult Occult option gives me some really good demonic lieutenants if I can spend some time demonifying people and then slapping runes on them.

Drawbacks make it noisy, mean the marine is coming back and I don't really have any weapons which is pretty survivable for 700 CP.

>>48432220
Former.

>>48432188
What about a Page of Life?

>>48432232
that is OP, isn't it? wouldn't that make you level 100 in two different class trees?

>>48432188
>Knight of Hope or Heart
Uhh... think you fucked up there buddy.

Does jumper keep the demons they can summon in devil survivor post jump?

>>48432234
Coming up. Gimme a sec.

>>48432269
...I did. Fuck. Welp, time to do another one then...

>>48432116
The whole jump is not a job for an early-game jumper unless they've picked up perks and/or resources suited for nigh-immediately shutting down the portal storms and/or defending both themselves and Earth against an advanced interdimensional empire.

The Combine invades well within the ten years the Jumper is there, very probably within the first year itself, and their military curbstomps Earth's in literally seven hours. If the Jumper is somehow able to shut down the portal storms nigh-immediately but can't prevent future artificial portals, the Combine can still invade - unless they decide it's too hard to bother with and just try nuking the planet from a portal in orbit.

>>48432264
I think the in game classes actually only went to like 15, and some are only 10 or 5. You have 100 levels to divide between them. The jump does things very differently, but no, it's not OP in the way you're saying it at all.

>>48432285
okay because >>48432232 said it was the former which would mean it would be level 100+ were realm of Heroes which gives you the broken Class combinations+ world champion which makes you all around better at using Them. which I was interpreting to mean 100 levels in a class set Focused on one thing and another 100 levels in another class set Focused on another thing. but if it's 50 levels in one thing and 50 levels in another yeah that sounds much less broken.

>>48432264
Not really, it's more of a combination of classes that have all the abilities of the different class skills. You're still only level 100.
This is explained in the notes.

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Got a jump here that I think's done unless anyone can see any issues.

>>48432324
Looks good to me.

How's the normal Red Dead Redemption jump going?

>>48432311
It's a little more complicated. You're not 50 levels of one and 50 levels of the other if you have 2 class skills.
Like >>48432321 said it's more of a class combination that gives you the abilities of both class trees.
You're not really getting more powerful from taking more than one class skill, just more versatile.
This is of course generally better than only having a single class, but it comes at the cost of other jump options so it's not really overpowered.

If you're familiar with the D&D concept of prestige classes like Mystic Theurge it's kinda like that.

Can someone explain Unsounded to me? How strong can Pymary be?

>>48432321
Okay thanks
>>48432349
So it is still balanced and I would be Trading Power for versatility?

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>>48432345
Think that's pretty much done as well, changed things like they were suggested so unless anyone has any major issues with it it's finished.

>>48432362
I'd say it tops out around Seventh level D&D spells, but you really should Read the comic it's quite good

>>48432324
Holy Relic: doesn't indicate what the consumables it creates actually are.

The Legend Continues: if the normal Red Dead Redemption jump has been taken, does that mean it's now ten years later and John is now a (free-willed) Undead still(?) hunting for the Mask all over again because it got stolen again?

So other than Sebas, Nigredo, and Pestonya is there anyone in Nazrick with a good alignment?

>>48432396
Also important to note that Pymary can't raise the dead (other than as un-dead). At least, no-one's managed to succeed yet.

>>48432378
Yeah, you'd be trading specialization and exotic, focused abilities for versatility in different situations even though both builds would be "the same" level and power.

>>48432378
You're only trading power in the sense that if you buy more than one class skill you can buy less of everything else.
Your class skills by themselves don't get weaker just because you have more than one.

The main thing that stops you from being good at everything is the origin-exclusive bonuses.
Class skills that are not from your origin are weaker for you than they would be if you had the matching origin.
There's also the origin-exclusive stuff: Drop ins are faster and have generally better stats, Warriors get super moves and caster origins get overrank magic.

>>48432416
I think Victim is almost neutral, with one point on the side of good.

>>48432407
For the Holy Relic it's pretty much just food or ammunition that it can refill. I'll clarify that.

Yeah trying to sort out the timeline is a bit weird given that I sorted it out into two jumps. If you start with undead nightmare it's pretty much the normal timeline of the game and then continuing on from where you ended undead nightmare in red dead with the assumption that someone destroys the mask or something. The other way I suppose it's up to whatever you feel like assuming, whether it's just the mask has been stolen again or whether the time it was stolen is pushed up to later.

>>48432431
noted>>48432439
so I'd be giving up the top tier of stuff for The middle tier of both? Yeah not doing that

>>48432439
>caster origins get overrank magic.
Which are so good.

>>48432490
No you don't 'give up' anything. You just expand your skill or spell list.

>>48432490
Skeleton necromancy 100 is some of the best necromancy in jumpchain. If not the best.

>>48432492
yes but Warrior origins are explicitly balanced against the casters,and Noted to be better in combat.
>>48432501
isn't that a contradiction though? I thought you can only have peak of one?

>>48432416
Technically Cocytus is good aligned with a sense of justice of +50 compared to 99% of Nazaricks negative Morality. It is shown in the story that he is on of those honorable warriors types. But good aligned NPCs in Nazrick are very rare because it was designed to be the tomb of an evil overlord and therefore would have mainly evil aligned NPCs.

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>>48432282
Pretty much this. All we know about the combine is that they transform the races they conquer into slave races and use them to conquer more planets and repeat the process.

Stuff like Striders and Hunters are probably just more slaved races. We don't know their true potential and they could probably just nuke the whole solar system just to stop you if you bother them enough. So, that would be a good starting level if you want to get anywhere near of this universe and do something besides hiding and running.

>>48432285
>>48432311
Certain classes only go up to 10 or 5, but they can either be an standalone class or part of a bigger tree.

For example, Ainz has a race tree like this: Skeleton Mage (15) -> Elder Lich (10) -> Overlord (5) -> Eclipse (5?).

Both Albedo and Demiurge start with the Imp race, but Demiurge then has levels on Arch Demon and Albedo has levels on Succubus.
>>48428432
>>48428314
To craft an item from the game, you need: crafting job classes (Ainz doesn't have them and whatever he crafts is kind of crappy because of that) and data crystals. Probably special ones, the ones that rare bosses drop, because most players only had one or two Divine Items once they hit the top tiers.

I asked this last thread but didn't get any real answer, but has Worm given any real substantive explanation for how the fuck Sword and Sorcery magic works, what it's capable of, and how it scales?

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>>48432188
>>48432269
>>48432280
Well, since I fucked up, Have the /actual/ Knight of Hope write-up...

Knights are a class that exploits their class and uses it as a weapon.
Hope's the aspect of Belief and Holiness, associated with Angels.

You'd be using your own belief to enhance yourself. If you belief you cannot be defeated/injured/resisted, then your this combination of class and aspect would make that a bit truer. Basically a power-up that keeps going as long as you're sure of yourself, which would probably allow you to do unbelievably ridiculous feats as long as you just belief you can yourself.

Of course, exploiting your enemies superstitions is also something that'd work. Make them belief things, and it'd become a bit more true.

Speaking of making people belief things... That's something you'd probably be good at, getting people to belief what you want them to.

Then there's holiness and all that... You'd be likely be able to create weapons out of white Hope energy to fight, and exploit people's faith and religions.

Would generally work well with weaponizing divine powers from other places, probably.

>>48432416
And even those will kill hundreds of defenseless children with a smile if directly ordered.

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>>48432234
>>48432280
As for a Page of Life... Have my interpretation of it.

Pages are the class with lots of potential, and grand expressions of their aspect.
Life's the aspect of Life Energy, Health, Living Beings, and all that stuff basically.

You'd probably be able to heal people to the point of resurrecting them. Though Sburb resurrection seems to be limited to once-per-person... Still, calling them back from fatal injuries if you're there fast enough should be good.

Of course, as a Page, you'd probably be less likely to be a focused "Lay on hands", and more a giant aura of healing... I'd expect a Page to walk into a dead wasteland and be able to just create a wave of life, making trees, grass, flowers, and bushes just rapidly start to grow from the barren grounds. Might even resurrect some dead animals that were there.

Maybe you'd literally bring grass and flowers into existence just by stepping on soil.

You'd be able to strengthen and heal your allies and yourself just by your presence, and probably contain boundless energy/stamina yourself.

>>48432528
Eclipse isn't a race, it's a special necromancer class that only unlocks after meeting some racial and class conditions.

>>48432510
You get buffs by buying specializations but you could also buy other stuff. For instance I could have gone with the planning perk but chose to instead take alchemy and use any magic item.


Because both are so damn useful.

Not even going into necromancy or damage magic.

>>48432490
You're still not getting it.
Let's say you're a warrior origin. You take damage-focused and defense-focused as class skills.
You're as strong in offense as a damage-focused warrior and as strong in defense as a defense focused warrior. The only thing you've "lost" is 50cp.
Since you're a warrior you also get super moves.

Not lets take that warrior and add divine magic. You're still just as good a warrior, and you still get 10th rank spells (if you're level 100).
But you don't get overrank magic (because you're not a caster-origin), your spells will be slightly weaker (healing less, doing less damage etc.) and you'll know less of them than you would if you were a caster-origin.

>>48432510
Warrior origins are better in direct combat. This is an important distinction.
A caster has vastly more options, and to win against an equal-level warrior he has to use these options intelligently.

>>48432536
That's wrong, actually. Nigredo and Pestonya defied Ainz' orders and tried to rescue innocent adults and children that Ainz was going to have executed. He imprisoned them for it.

>>48432510
You aren't buying one of 12 or so 'classes'. These are abstractions of the 900+ classes in the game. By picking different Class Skills you are sort of making up what classes your character would have had in the game - you say that your 'combo' of classes let you do Arcane Spell Casting and Damage Focused Warrior stuff and X and Y and Z. Or you say your classes only let you do one Divine Casting and nothing else.

Whatever you do you are no more powerful from having a dozen class skills than someone with only one, you just have more options.

If you want to look at 'losing' something you are losing CP that could have bought other skills or buffs.

>>48432510
Read the answers better. You don't have two classes balanced to 100. You have one class with twice as many Abilities at 100.

>>48432536
Umm no? Nigrefo disobeyed ainz to save children and so got put in charge of an orphanage.

>>48432531
You didn't get an answer for a reason. Fuck off.

>>48432531
It's literally "sword and sorcery" style magic as found in the literature and films. Here, have a link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery

>>48432578
I see you're up for another long day.

>>48432528
Ah so we can't really craft them in jump because it's not Yggdrasil anymore

How would SCP agitation field or Imagine Breaker help against World Items?

>>48432590
Data crystals still exist in ainz vault.

>>48432386
Does the Nigel West Dickens' Elixir item do anything without Deadeye Targetting?

>>48432599
If you've got access to the vault, you don't need to make gear.

>>48432543
Can you do Seer of Life and Page of Space, if it's not too much trouble?

>>48432617
True. There's the divine-tier equipment of all the previous members in there, plus spare-equipment, plus world items.
It should be enough to outfit yourself and your companions several times over.

Better hope you read the LN so you know the password and security measures.
And took a perfect memory perk early enough to still remember it when you arrive in Overlord.

>>48432562
well I was thinking I was on stuff like is described in >>48432550


>>48432566
but it's still balanced to level 100 which means those abilities are not as strong,which is what I was Trying to say.

>>48432581
That really just tells me that it follows genre conventions that I'm not familiar with. I haven't learned anything.

>>48432658
It's basically conan and stuff like that.

>>48432643
>Plebs who don't consume as much media as possible in every jump so that they'll always be prepared for any world Jumpchan throws them into.

>>48432648
If you take the 4 class skills of your origin each is just as strong as if you had taken it alone.
The only thing you're losing is the CP spent to buy them.

>>48432648
You are wrong. It doesn't balance the way you think it does.

Now stop.

>>48432648
Buying stuff is better than not.

>>48432648
Have you ever heard of gestalt classes for D&D? You literally take two classes at the same time, but they count as one. A level 100 monk/paladin has all the abilities, at max strength, of both a monk and paladin. The difference is in things like base attack and saves that take the better of each class. Multiple classes isn't a nerf.

>>48432673
>>48432674
well which is it? do I get the super special stuff from everything I buy or do I not? I think this is something that The jump maker needs to weigh in on

>>48432674
>It doesn't balance the way you think it does.
Well that's nothing new, Bancho's never been able to figure out how balance worked on basically anything.

>>48432643
... The light novel gives you all passwords and such?

>>48432667
And? What can magic do in Conan?

You aren't helping by just pointing at properties and saying 'it's like that' because that's about as helpful as saying to 'read/play it and decide yourself' when someone asks about one setting or another.

>>48432668
You do know there are jumps that actually give you the media for the jump you're in, right? And that some of them update whenever you go into a new one?
You only have to put in the effort to read it.

>>48432692
This is actually explained in the jump notes. You just have to read them.

>>48432699
Yeah. There's a scene where Ainz goes in there (Bloody Valkyrie arc) where he explains to his minions what security measures there are and he speaks the password.

Overlordfags are worse than Narutofags.

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>>48432699
Pretty much.

>>48432692
He has you just seem to not understand.

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>>48432386
Drawback: Glitches (1200)

Rolled Rio Bravo

Bureau of Investigation, age 28

Basic Shooting Skills (Free)
Horse Riding (Free)
Member of the Bureau of Investigation (Free)
Modernization (1100)
We Enforce The Rules (900)
You Can’t Escape the Past, Everyone Eventually Pays For What They’ve Done (600)
Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane (400)
Sheriff Star and Bureau Uniform (Free)
Golden Guns (200)
Nigel West Dickens' Elixier (0)

Say, didn't someone say Hogtie That Varmint's above and beyond the other capstones? Gotta say taking its' stated effect literally it's the only capstone that's an absolute effect, which seems a bit too meta.

Also reading both jumps-is it possible to companion John Marston twice or not?

Also I see what you did there, with the mask. Unless that's an actual thing in the game?

>>48432386
Drawbacks: Glitches, The Legend Continues, Overrun (1400)

Rolled Cholla Springs

Drop-In, Age 27

Last Survivor (Free)
Anti Zombie Expert (1300)
Amazing Elixier (1100)
Blood Pact: Death (800)
I Am Me (200)
Supply of Food and Water (Free)
Mythical Pet: Unicorn (0)

I'm basically going to do the same thing in both jumps, the difference being that Red Undead Redemption's gonna be like, 200% whackier.

I'm going to do some actual sheriff work.

But in only ONE jump, I'll be doing it from a chariot pulled by a unicorn and Death the horse, rather than by horse.

I'm also going to kickstart the Industrial Revolution, burying the legend of the Wild West under the crushing mundanity of civilisation and paving the way for postmodern magic to become prevalent. Occult matrixes for days.

But in only ONE jump, it will involve harnessing the undead for automated agriculture. Seriously, giving an ex-necromancer and part time Savenger a zombie apocalypse? It's like giving a fat kid access to an unattended candy store.

>>48432692
You get everything you pay for, just like any other jump. Stop making this more complicated than it has to be.

>>48432678
Also the ring is soulbound. You can't give it to your mother box.

>>48432715
There's one that updates the media to the jump you are in? Where is that from?

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>>48432531
>>48432531
Don't know about all magic therein, but here's what his answers to my question about To Call Forth are if that helps.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47360848/#47368140
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47360848/#47368381

>>48432362
I too, however, would greatly benefit from an explanation of Unsounded.

I'm apparently super gud at the Khert and Old Tainish and...I have absolutely no idea what either is capable of.

Likewise I don't know if Magic Diggin' Hands has any use outside the setting. Is it supposed to mean I can sculpt the Hedge with my bare hands in the future, the Gauntlet or the Warp? Could I theoretically start a Warpball fight with the nearest daemons if I deployed an aspect of myself that isn't an uber-Blank?

>>48432692
For fuck's sake Bancho.

If you take Damage Focused then you have the skills of a Damage Focused Warrior. You see all that shit in the description? You can do that.

If you take Defense Focused then you have the skills of a Defense Focused Warrior. You see all that shit in the description? You can do that.

If you take both then you have the skills of both. Do you see all that shit in those descriptions? You can do all of that.

But you can only use Over-Rank Magic if you're a Magic Caster and you can only use Super Moves if you're a Warrior. If you're a Drop-In you can't use either but you have absurdly high all-around stats.

>>48432708
Look. It probably doesn't actually do anything given that it's pretty vague about it's feats, so it's best to assume it's truly worthless.

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>>48432551
>>48432576
Not exactly, they searched for a way to not directly go against them and still pursuing their own agendas. And Ainz did not ordered them directly or tried to enforce his orders further when he heard about that.

Sebas was willing to kill his his waifu just to please Ainz. If a justicefag can do that, it should give you a good idea about what can their creators order them anything.

>>48432546
I had my doubts about it. It's mentioned as a class, but I don't remember it being a job class.


>>48432590
>>48>>48432617432599
You need special data crystals for that (Pero was trying to search/buy them to make his divine weapon).


>>48432598
They supernatural, so Agitation Field at least would break them.

>>48432794
>it's best to assume it's truly worthless

Not him but that's a shitty, stupid attitude.

>>48432737
1.okay I found Somewhere in the notes that it Doesn't give you everything of both classes

2.Read it again ,it is soulbound once you Put it onmthere's nothing that says you start out having put it on.
>>48432786
that's what I've been saying!

>>48432786
How do Super Moves work anyway? Are they also limited per day but no mp cost like over rank skills or what

>>48432805
So Agitation field might help negate effects?

Would Imagine Breaker also work?

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>>48432620
Sure. Have my take on those too then.


Seers have instinctively understand their aspect comprehensively, and guide others with that understanding.
Life's the aspect of Life Energy, Health, Living Beings, and all that stuff basically.

So, as a Seer or Life, you'd be the ultimate fitness guru. And/or eugenics expert.

But seriously, you'd subconsciously know an absolutely ridiculous amount about how living creatures and life itself works, could probably tell your Space players exactly what frogs would be useful for their quest, and be able to just know how biology works by looking at it. Expect any biological/genetic manipulation you get up to, to get a massive boost to that.

You might get the ability to share senses with other living creature, and to sense the presence and location of life.

You'd know exactly how to treat injuries or disease the best way, even if you don't get direct healing powers.


Page of Space... Pages are the class with lots of potential, and grand expressions of their aspect.
Space is basically Physics, Reality, and Creation.

I'd expect something like hugely powerful, but very inaccurate telekinesis... Maybe enforcing normal reality and physics within an area, or the opposite to allow physics-fuckery like turning gravity off or allowing things to surpass lightspeed.

You'd be less like to get teleporting, and more something like wormhole portals to move entire swathes of people or the area itself.

As for creation... you probably would get a boost at anything that creates things, and like the 'destroy void' classes, you'd probably get the ability to create things from nothing with effort.

>>48432786
Actually, Brellin has also ruled that if you take warrior stuff as a mage or mage stuff as a warrior that you're going to be bad at it compared to if you took your classes native class skills unless you're a warrior that took Unified Focus, in which case you're as good at magic as a mage is without necessarily as large a mana pool.

>>48432808
>there's nothing that says you start out having put it on.
Except you start out having it in your background. You're not saving it for a companion you don't even know exists at that point; would you really have passed up putting on an item of vast power and defensive ability like that? Knowing you, I seriously doubt it.

>>48432823
What would be the best choice for a Doom classpect?

there aren't any street signs in that image Captcha, only a car's tail light.

>>48432830
Yes, I know. I was talking about multiple in-class Class Skills.

If you're a Warrior and take Arcane Caster then you're obviously not going to be as powerful as a Magic Caster. You'll still be able to cast 10th level spells but your low Magic Attack stat means that your spells are going to be weak compared to a dedicated caster.

>>48432864
*unless you take Unified Focus.

>>48432875
Unified Focus is a Drop-In perk.

>>48432794
As if Worm weren't already feeling like they should give up on the Worm Update, you sir are not helping in the. Fucking. Slightest.

>>48432892
Unified Focus can be taken by anyone.

>>48432927
For 600 CP, yes.

>>48432936
What's your point?

>>48432757
I don't actually remember where i saw it, sorry.
I'm 99% sure i did though. Maybe someone will come along who knows?

>>48432720
That's because they're not actual Overlordfags or they'd be arguing over who's the best waifu and laughing at Ainz's ridiculous bluffing. They're powergamers.

So Narutofags are absolutely worse because they have bitter arguments about powerlevels which are actually founded on their show's lore, not the jump alone.

>>48432946
That it balances itself out. You can have your Over-Rank Magic and be as strong as a Warrior but you'll be paying out the ass and won't be able to do much else.

>>48432862
That... really depends on what you want to do.


Personally I'd say Witch, to directly manipulate Doom.

Rogue or Prince if you want to help people avoid their Dooms, with Rogue having the drawback that you need to shunt it off somewhere else, and Prince destroying it altogether but likely being unable to avoid their own doom.

Heir or Maid if you want to become death itself.

Page if you want to make everything progressively worse for everyone around you as you grow in power.

Seer/Mage if you want to be the oracle warning people of their impending Doom.

Knight if you want to manipulate people.

Bard if you want to screw everyone over. Literally everyone, most likely including you.

Though, note that the Doom aspect is kinda an asshole. It seems to like screwing its Players over.

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>>48432962
Hm. Forgot my picture... Have it anyway.

>>48432958
Retard a best.

>>48432960
Actually, Mages with Unified Focus are up shit's creek for martial ability compared to Warriors, while Warriors with Unified Focus are going to be just as good as a Mage at magical ability.

>>48432958
>That's because they're not actual Overlordfags or they'd be arguing over who's the best waifu

There is no need to argue. Gorilla a best.

>>48433004
They'll still know less spells and have no overrank magic. They also won't get higher ranks of magic unless they actually take a magic class.
Read the notes.

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>>48432958
cz2128 delta best waifu. She is also good aligned.

>>48433023
And? Even Mage has to pay for magic classes, you're arguing about nothing.

>>48430358
Hollow Heart's 'attracting the possessive' and 'them not wanting to leave' is context dependent. If the primary source of their mental ills is a crippling sense of loneliness or dependence, then healing them means they won't be quite as clingy and might become independent. They'll likely be grateful to you anyways, of course.

Or maybe that was the tip of the iceberg and they'll still be sticking around with you, just with less of a desire to stab anything that tries to separate you. It's dependent on the character.

I'll consider the price swap. It's less combat precog and more of an instinctive boost with some perk fiat behind it. I can see why it would look more appealing than the current capstone, though. Can others weigh in on this?

>>48432773
So as far as I can tell, even he doesn't know how it works, because he doesn't want to make any rulings so he just tells everyone to wank it?

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>>48433044
Uwaah~ a best.

>>48433050
Except mages pay half and get one free.

A mage with Unified Focus who takes a warrior class is just as strong as a warrior, they just know more spells, less martial arts and have overrank magic instead of super moves.

An arcane caster actually wouldn't even need Unified Focus. There's a canon spell that gives him the strength of a warrior. He just needs to take a warrior class to get the necessary fighting skills.

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>>48433083
Indeed.

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>>48433083
Uwaah~ is a shit.

>>48433101
>There's a canon spell that gives him the strength of a warrior

But none of the skill. He would be easily beaten by an enemy warrior with similar gear and level.

>>48432535
>>48432188
Thanks.

So which would be better for a Willpower based chain?

>>48433083
>a best.
>not werewolf
Do you even awoo?

>>48432616
Not really. holdover from when deadeye targeting was free.
>>48432731
Yeah Hogtie was something I wanted to put in because of the whole lasso thing in the games but I suppose it might be a bit too meta. If you do the jumps separately you can companion him twice, I'll make a note that if you take The Legend Continues taking it again will import him into that position instead.

>>48433133
>>48433101
And said spell doesn't let him keep his magic skill, whereas a warrior with unified focus would.

>>48433101
Except, they'd be fucked in every other aspect besides strength. Unified Focus isn't useful for a Mage because they don't gain anything besides raw strength.

A Warrior gets all physical stats high by default and with Unified Focus is literally just as good at magic as any Mage.

>>48432830
>unless you're a warrior that took Unified Focus, in which case you're as good at magic as a mage is without necessarily as large a mana pool.
That sounds like the exact opposite of what Unified Focus does.

>>48433133
>>48433142
Unified Focus is 600cp undiscounted (as it will be, for a warrior).
A mage can pick up any warrior class for 100cp to pick up the skills.

>>48433152
Except he's not. His magic is as strong as a mages, but he still knows a lot less spells. He still doesn't get overrank magic.

If you take a no outside power drawback do you still keep things like your mana pool or fighting abilities?

>>48433182
You keep skills (and often Body Mod). That's it.

>>48433101
>A mage with Unified Focus who takes a warrior class is just as strong as a warrior
They aren't. Brellin's own ruling, Mages don't gain anything else from the perk besides raw physical strength, not durability, ability, dexterity, or anything else.

Warriors get all the Magical ability of a Mage besides mana.

>>48433182
If you got your powers or mana from perks outside of the jump no you don't.

>>48433182
No.

>>48433210
>Warriors get all the Magical ability of a Mage besides mana.
You keep saying that, but it doesn't make sense. Do you have a link?

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>>48432794
>that guy didn't check the sources I gave them
Worthless, indeed.

>>48432757
Universal Canon or something from Lone Wolf.

>>48433044
Level 46? Dear lord I thought the Homunculas maids would be useless. They have guns in their fanitasy setting?
...
...
Looked it up, They have freaking sci-fi laser weapons in their game. All my what.

>>48433182
You're usually stuck with Body Mod.

Remember, though, that although you lose access to your magic and supernatural abilities you keep all of your inherent skills. So it's not like you just suddenly forget martial arts or how to shoot a gun after doing that for 1,000 years.

>>48433210
>They aren't. Brellin's own ruling, Mages don't gain anything else from the perk besides raw physical strength, not durability, ability, dexterity, or anything else.
Gonna need a link for that, because that's not how I'm remembering it at all. The way I remember it you don't get the top tier warrior skills in the same way a warrior won't get over rank magic. You get everything else, though.

Gonna need a link for that ruling.

>>48433078
He doesn't even give examples of feats in the jump.

>>48433180
Skills. Not raw speed or agility or stamina or durability. Just the raw strength and skills. But Warriors get the mana pool magic casters have and can buy all the skills they need. Meaning magic Casters only get part of what Warriors have, Warriors get all of what Casters do.

>>48433231
That's not a homunculas maid, that's a piledes maid. The homunculas maids are just maids, the piledes were battle maids meant to guard a floor.

>>48433236
Unified Focus only ups your physical power and magical power it doesn't change anything else for either side. All the classes just give skills, not stats. You get stats from your origin that you pick.

>>48433231
Wait, they do? Could you choose guns as a Damage Focused Warrior?

>>48433233
Really wish bodymod had a ki or magic option.

>>48433268
Its a ranged damage class based around automaton race but anyone could learn if they put levels in it. It was one of the last game updates in yggdrasil. A tech world.

>>48433284
That would defeat the point. Closest to superpowers there are is the wings, and Senses 4.