Check out the Comic-con promos mtg is putting out. Dead gatewatch, yo.

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And then there's goddamn Liliana like "Rise up, motherfuckers!"

Truly the Last Hope.

>>48355251
Aww, was really expecting Returned Elspeth

Look sweet. I can see these being actually valueable and wanted In the future unlike those ugly black on black ones.

I'll try to get them when they hit the online store. If not, whateves

>>48355346
Never bought promo type stuff online. Any idea what sort of price these will be?

Why did you use the SOI and BFZ set symbols? Who exactly were you trying to fool here?

>>48355346
Knpw when they'll hit the online store?

>>48355189
Objectively the best one

>>48355378
It's probably to clarify that these cards are playable in Standard or something.

Actually I'm curious if anyone knows, can you play an old copy of a card that's been reprinted in standard? Or do you have to use the new version?

>>48355433
>Actually I'm curious if anyone knows, can you play an old copy of a card that's been reprinted in standard
You can. Also turn off the name

>>48355378
Do... Do you actually think I drew these? If not you can look around to try to find where I stole the art, but I think you'll be disappointed.

I don't know why they chose those symbols, probably because that's where some of those cards came from.

>>48355181
Source - http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/147647255778/wizardsmagic-this-years-san-diego-comic-con

>>48355438
Thanks

>>48355181
>>48355278
>Jace, Undying Boytoy

>>48355440
No I thought you just took some DeviantArt pictures and threw them together to make them, it's really not that hard you could have done it in under an hour. But as I can see here: >>48355454 they're real, holy shit. Hopefully this is a sign that we're going to be fucking done with the Gatewatch, at least as a superhero team.

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>>48355278
Every time I see Liliana in something Gatewatch-associated I think of pic related.

>>48355370
>>48355388

It's hell. You need to book time off if you want a chance. They generally go up a week or two after the con. For like 79.99 or something.

People set up programs to detect site updates and shit. It gets crazy.

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So I'm guessing they lost this battle then?

>>48355642
There's four of them in the art, and the flavor text basically says they're losing, so presumably this is shortly before Liliana shows up and turns the tides.

>>48355513
>Hopefully this is a sign that we're going to be fucking done with the Gatewatch, at least as a superhero team.
Comic books always have that hypothetical "zombie-universe" lately. It's just an especially funny joke since one of the Gatewatch IS a necromancer who would bring them back from the dead just because.

>>48355574
Go up where? All the tumblr says is they'll be available "later" on hasbrotoyshop.com, no indicator of what part of the website to even look in. Did previous promos have a big ad on the front page of the site, or did one have to go searching?

>>48355181

Is Jace eating his own brain?

>>48355859
He is a mind sculptor after all.

>>48355811
You have to search for it when it comes up.

They will generally put the item up as "out of stock" a day or two before they actually put them up. Its limit one let customer.

You pretty much have to sit at your computer and constantly refresh. They sell out in minutes.

>>48355279
NEVER EVER

>>48355189
For sure the best one.

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>>48355181
If only those were fucking dead forever and never seen again.

Bring back Urza, Mishra or some other badass.

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>>48356967
>yfw this actually becomes canon in the next block

>>48355181
>>48355189
>>48355220
>>48355251
>>48355278

>Lily not a zombie

Its shit. Literally the only one I wanted as a zombie.

>Not black foil

I want more black foils damn it.

>>48357412
Of course Liliana isn't a zombie, that's the whole joke.

>>48357453
But shes the only one I wanted to be a zombie.

>>48357472
But that's what the joke is.

>>48357672
Fuck the joke nigga. I want litch lily.

>>48355189
>dead and smouldering Chandra, burnt beyond recognition
If only this could be real.

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>>48355516

it would have been more interesting if they all fell prey to their color's shit

>ghost jace
>zombie lili
>farmer gideon

>>48357709
But the joke is that she's not.

>>48355516
This is the best gatewatch related thing

>>48357724
I feel like I've missed something. Why does /tg/ suddenly hate Chandra too? Someone said it in another thread too.

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>>48355513
>there are people who will see these promos and genuinely think that it's some kind of sign of the Jacetice League's fate

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>>48355516

>>48357787
/tg/ isn't a hive mind, but I hate Chandra because she's a knockoff Jaya Ballard, another character who wasn't charming beyond the first time. Chandra is just pure distilled selfishness, and has nothing to offer anybody beyond raw power.

I dislike the Gatewatch as a whole. Liliana is a cunt, Nissa's a moron, I'm pretty sure Kytheon isn't actually Gideon, he just killed the original character concept and slipped into his skin because he's more marketable, and Jace's face is all over everything all the time. But Chandra is a one-trick pony who is an awful human being who should have been executed for using her pyromancy to fucking rob people.

>>48355220

Nissa's flowers a cute

>>48357810
>bolstered then outlasted

Giggled like a bitch

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>wotc will never make a good tibalt

>>48355516
shit, this is gold

>>48356967
>Implying the Raven man isn't Mishra possessed by Yawgmoth

>>48357930
>implying we won't get one on Kaladesh
>implying he isn't the next member of the gatewatch

>>48358073

> Tibalt, in his goal to cause havoc, deceives the Gatewatch in order to get close to them by pretending he wants to join, looking for the most opportune moment to betray them and get rid of these pesky do-gooders.
> Pretty much everyone falls for it
> Except for Lilianna, who blasts him with the chain veil the first time they are together in the same room

"Oh, don't be so aghast. I did us all a favor. Getting rid of dangerous problems is what you wanted me to do, right? Thats what this little club is for?"

And then Lilianna bullies Jace into buying her dinner because she did a good deed.

So how come Tamiyo didn't join the gatewatch?

>>48358269
Because joining the Gatewatch implies she will have to protect things by fighting, which she doesn't want to do, she is a Researcher and that is all that she wants to do with her life, not worry about protecting the world.

Basically she too busy sciencing to care about shit falling apart.

>>48357830
>but I hate Chandra because she's a knockoff Jaya Ballard, another character who wasn't charming beyond the first time
I hate her less because they had the torch-hand-off by having her say something nice about wanting to meet Jaya Ballard.

She's not Jaya Ballard, but she's an alright 'red-kills-with-fire' character from what I've seen.

>>48357830
Nissa isn't a moron. She's a xenophobic genocider that's been hand-waved into being a freaky-deaky tree-lover.

>>48358269
Because Tamiyo is actually an interesting character and the Gatewatch is shit.

>>48358322
Okay I kinda get that.

Was this in a novel or uncharted realms?
Also wasn't Kiora slightly invested in fucking up some Eldrazi, why hasn't she helped?

>>48358269

She is an observer, not a solver.

She didn't even want to get involved with the whole 'Innistrad is getting wrecked by cryptolith weirdness making the Angels insane' problem. She had the ability to purify Avacyn and solve the problem with the Angels single-handedly. She chose not to do so, however, because doing that would require her to not only unbind tools that she swore she would never use, but it generally violates her policy of non-interference.

Think of her like a nature photographer. She studies, she writes things down, she figures out patterns and puzzles in the pursuit of knowledge. But if she sees a gazelle getting chowed on by a lion, it isn't her place to step in on the gazelle's behalf. As a planeswalker, she isn't supposed to be here.

She also thinks that Jace is an idiot, and that him and the Gatewatch throwing themselves into the middle of situations they don't understand is going to end up with them killing a lot of people through their own brash ignorance.

The only reason she un-mindfucked Jace is because an insane telepathic planeswalker was, in her eyes, too big a danger to ignore since he could potentially drive entire planes to madness as well.

At the same time, she was perfectly fine with dying at the hands of Avacyn rather than violating her oaths.

So she isn't going to babysit the Gatewatch and shake her head every time they do something stupid. She has research to do instead. Stories to learn.

WHAT'S HIP AND COOL WITH THE KIDS

OH YEAH ZOMBIES

JUST SLAP THAT SHIT ON THERE

God, fuck zombies.

>>48358399

Kiora was invested in saving her home plane of Zendikar.

Zendikar has been saved.

She also isn't a part of the Gatewatch. She clearly doesn't play well with others either, she almost fucked over the plan on Zendikar on multiple occasions because she wanted to 1v1 Ulamog using the god-weapon she stole from Theros.

She did help in the end, though, using the bident to dump some of the Roil into the oceans of other planes and lessen the load of binding the Eldrazi 100% into Zendikar. Considering that Zendikar very nearly shattered like glass as it was, without her help there is a good chance that Zendikar would have exploded then and there and both Ulamog and Kozilek would have survived to continue being major threats.

>>48358269
Because God forbid we have my waifu get a bit more screen time.

>>48358474
THIS

>>48358487
Fuck you, Weremilf got dropped in EMN and I wanted more of her

>>48358613
wait really?
thats a bummer

>>48358269
Did you ever watch Star Trek? You remember the Prime Directive? That's basically her mantra; she doesn't interfere in the natural development of planes.

>>48358427
>She had the ability to purify Avacyn and solve the problem with the Angels single-handedly. She chose not to

This is an amazing Blue action. It's commendable, really, that they've got a planeswalker in the current cast who is actually limited by their ideals and principles.

>>48355189
Crisp. Crisp.

>>48358877

I feel like that actually explained her being part white in this expansion more, actually.

Blue tends to have a very utilitarian approach to things, albeit not as much as black, while White does tend to have the kind of thinking where forbidden means FORBIDDEN, even if it's the only way to save your life.

She is, so far, one of the only blue characters we've seen that can separate "can" and "should," so that's progress.

>>48358733
I think it's more that she didn't get much reference in EMN rather than being completely dropped. One of the latest story articles implied that she and Ulrich were fighting against corrupted werewolves. Other than that I don't think I saw a single flavor text referencing her.

>>48357810
>Delving for six
my sides have traversed the blind eternities

>>48358427

This fits perfectly with my theory that the second a character goes Green, they sink into the background.

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>>48357772
>farmer gideon wiping the sweat from his brow, linen shirt open nearly to the navel
What would Nissa be, though?

>>48357830
>I'm pretty sure Kytheon isn't actually Gideon, he just killed the original character concept and slipped into his skin because he's more marketable
This is how I know you're just being contrarian. Literally all that's different about Gideon post-Origins is that instead of being an almost entirely generic good-guy action hero who punches baddies inna face, he's a good-guy action hero who punches baddies inna face who grew up on the streets. Fucking please.

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>>48358877
>She had the ability to purify Avacyn and solve the problem with the Angels single-handedly
So, she could have un-mindfucked Gisela and Bruna?

I think I like Tamiyo a little less now. I'm still kinda upset about that. RIP.

>>48362777
Werewolf probably
And chandra would be a vampire

Can we make these cards canon?

>>48362777
>>48362850
But Nissa and Chandra already embody their colors. Nissa's an elf, the tried-and-true green tribe while Chandra is just burn burn burn burn burn fugg burn. She's basically Jaya 2.0

>>48362842
You should be more upset that Wizards thought that meld was an interesting mechanic for two legendary creatures. Brisela? Who writes that garbage?

>>48355181
I guess I need to get the Jace for any UB zombie deck I build from now on. But isn't he seeing play in Standard? Fuck me, it'll be out the ass.

>>48362777
3/3 Beast Token.

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>>48355516
>>48357810
Gideon is truly the best of the watch

>>48362777
Literally having sex with a tree; possibly becoming a tree. Can we get alternate art for Song of the Dryads that is treeified Nissa?

>>48363454
Lili did make her a flower pot.

>>48357792
>There are people who get fucking triggered by the Gatewatch

>>48362777
A wedge or "ramp" with a bunch of leaves and other nature shit thrown onto it.

>>48355516
Lost it at cream-filled.

>>48355278

How fucking old is Liliana anyways? I mean, yeah, she was an Old Walker, but how long was she planeswalking around before the mending?

>>48365652
According to mtgsalvation, over a century. Technically true, but...

>>48362842
>>48358427
>She had the ability to purify Avacyn and solve the problem with the Angels single-handedly.

Was that ever explicitly stated? I don't remember purification being mentioned anywhere. I thought the bit about the story about Serra's realm only implied Tamiyo had the power to destroy Avacyn, which would parallel Radiant getting BTFO.

>>48355220
Strange how it makes her a better character all of a sudden.

>>48355516
>>48357810
Imagine how better it would be if Gideon was like that.

>>48362996
It should just have been called "The Voice of Nightmares". Brisela is a fanfic tier retarded name.

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>>48363454
She melds with a forest.

>>48357792
Well how else should we interpret the most hated entity in Magic as dead other than a hope for the future?

>>48363020
not yet, as soon as Origins cycles out he's going up though

>>48357810
This made me lost hard.

Epic job anon.

>>48365652
We're not entirely sure. I think most people assume she's between 400-1,000 years old, because she knew about Innistrad and Sorin "relatively early on" in her Planeswalker days, and even then she knew to not fuck around with Sorin on Innistrad.

But then the Mending happened, and everyone got de-powered from their godlike status.

>>48356967
>Bring back Urza, Mishra or some other badass.
This is already Weatherlight Saga 2: Electric Boogaloo. Granted, Sisay was very hot, but come on.

>>48366468
>caring about the lore

>>48355181
>Dead Gatewatch
If only.

>>48358002
>yawgmoth comes back
>the jacetice league kill him in the span of a single block with the power of teamwork

>>48367576

Fuck that would piss me off so much. One of the things I loved about early MtG was the whole overarching storyline and how Yawgmoth was the incredibly powerful evil being that couldn't be represented as a card because he'd be too broken.

Now Wizards would be like: "Here's this awesome Yawgmoth card isn't it so neat?!" And it would be total shit. And he would get killed by Jace controling his mind and making him kill himself because Jace is the bestest and the coolest and everyone loves him.

>>48357453
>>48357672
>>48357776

Kek.

>I want more black foils damn it.

Ew.

>>48355220

Dat face is pure comedy gold.

>>48367671
>Yawgmoth shows up
>Nissa does some earth magic
>Jace gets in his mind
>Liliana attacks him with zombies
>Chandra throws fire at him
>Gideon punches him
>Yawgmoth dies

>>48358474
I think it was more of a "Well if you want to see one of them die so fucking badly"

>>48362777
Nissa becomes swole as fuck

>>48367671
>weatherlight saga
>early MtG
Don't you have school in the morning?

I actually like the black on black promos. But only the flip walkers.

I don't know why.

Anyway, I thought these were gonna stop when coresets stopped being a thing. I'm glad they are still doing it.

>>48367497
>shitposting

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>>48366398
It's such a lost opportunity

>>48368680
During summer?

>>48367671
>Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
>Costs ten Black mana
>When you cast Yawgmoth, Father of Machines destroy all creatures then put all creatures in all graveyards into play under your control. They are Horrors in addition to their other types. When Yawgmoth, Father of Machines would be exiled or put into a graveyard from anywhere shuffle him into your library instead
>13/13

>>48370170
>you may amputate a limb rather than pay Yawgmoth, Father of Machines mana cost.
>splitsecond, infect
>when you cast Yawgmoth, Father of Machines, you control target player during that players next turn. Permanents that player controls gain "Sacrifice this permanent: Lose 2 life."
>when Yawgmoth, Father of Machines enters the battlefield, if mana was spent to cast it or if you cast a spell this turn, you lose the game.
>10/0

>>48370347
>if you've cast ANOTHER spell this turn

Whoops.

>>48370347
>>48370170
>Yawgmoth, The Ineffable
>Yawgmoth, The Ineffable can only be cast by having someone punch you in the face ten times.
>When you cast Yawgmoth, The Ineffable you win the game, the next game, and any game of Magic, The Gathering being played within a 10 mile radius

>>48366468
>Most hated
>"I hate it, /tg/ hates it, that must mean everyone hates it!"

>>48357792
Literally the worst part about Magic threads.
>DAE HATE JACE?

Threads like these make me glad that Wizards ignores the internet.

"Wouldn't it be cool if they ruined Magic just to do all the things I want? Clearly I know better than the people in charge!"

>>48370347
>10/0
otherwise it's 10/10

>>48370454
Fuck you, WOTC shill. Fuck off back to tumblr and all the other hugbox retards. Urza was the best thing in Magic, and the fucking Primary Color Combo Crew is lazy, stupid, pathetic, and everyone reviles it.

>>48370666
>everyone reviles it
YOU
ARE
NOT
EVERYONE
Jesus tittyflipping Christ. When will /tg/ realize this? You are not everyone. You are not the only people playing this game. You are not the only fans. In all likelihood, you are not even the core audience for the story.
I honestly treat Wizards' market research on what does or doesn't sell and what people do and don't like over the incessant childish bitching of a group that barely grasps simple storylines and can't understand the mechanics to save their fucking life.

If /tg/ had its way, Magic would be nothing but Urza Saga and Time Spiral, and WotC would go broke.

>>48370844
>market research
Market research is the WORST way to write a story.
Stories written based on marketing are invariably soulless trash.

>>48370997
Not really. That's kind of a false dichotomy. Either way, I would not want Wizards to listen to fans like these.

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>>48370844
>>48370844
>>48370844
THE CHARACTER LIMIT IS INSUFFICIENT TO ALLOW ME TO
>this
YOUR POST IN SUFFICIENT QUANTITY

>>48370170
Needs fear or swampwalk.

>>48370497
Whoops again. I am become butterfingers.

>>48366398
>"What you need to do is take that cursed thing and go." Nissa stood unsteadily, but her sword was in hand. "I'll not fight alongside it."
>Gideon raised a hand in warning. "You fought at Sea Gate alongside vampires, pirates, and worse, Nissa. We take the allies we can get, if they can be trusted."
>"Ah, the meat can reason!" Liliana beamed.
>"But I don't know if you can be trusted. Nissa's instincts are rarely wrong, and I'm inclined to agree with her. That object is...a problem. But I don't know you. He does." Gideon turned to Jace. "So you'll decide. Tell me, Jace. Can she be trusted?"

Seems like they're steering Gideon's characterisation in that direction

>>48371341
>Nissa's instincts are rarely wrong, and I'm inclined to agree with her.
Boy, he's in for a rude awakening when they sit down and share their origin stories with each other.

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>>48370666
>Urza was the best thing in Magic and everybody hates the Gatewatch
I agree.

They should do what they did back in the day and let every set feature an appealing, consistent group of characters from a variety of colors (so every color gets someone to root for) flying around fighting bad guys for the sake of the Multiverse. That would be so sweet.

Instead, we got the fuckin' Jacetice League, and now every fucking set features the same fucking group of characters from a fucking """""diverse"""""" variety of colors (uh, pandering, much?) flying around like capeshit superheroes fighting bad guys for the "sake of the Multiverse."

Fucking jews. Ugh.

>>48371450
>implying Nissa will ever reference her Origin story again after all the trouble Wizards went through to retcon the Elf Hitler

>>48371450
>>48371488
Yeah, they retconned her old edgy backstory so she's almost the opposite of what she used to be. IIRC she first 'walked to Lorwyn and complained to the elves there that they were being a little too edgy with the whole "gas the eyeblights" thing, then planeswalked away when the Aurora showed up.

>>48371341
Figures. The one time Nissa is right about something, nobody listens to her.

>>48370426
I have literally never met a person at my LGS that likes the Gatewatch. They either don't care or think it's retarded normie pandering. Practically everyone hates it, Maro, tumblr isn't everyone.

>>48370844
Market research is why the video games industry collectively shit its pants last decade and gutted themselves to make more brown action-adventures with bland, brown haired 30something protagonists.
Because "market research" for an entertainment industry almost always means focus testing with a very small part of the market in a vacuum, and is almost never indicative of what the market really wants (Or even what the focus tested group wants, since the methods and formality of testing skew their results).

>>48371463
In fairness, both Weatherlight and the Gatewatch are stupid, and the best stories were self-contained or had a minimal involvement with a larger myth-arc.

>>48371723
To be fair, that's how it always works.

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>>48371967
Yes and as we've seen, the video game industry has churned out financial flop out of financial flop and is close to closing its collective doors forever. Hollywood too.

Plus, it's not like there've been any enjoyable video games or movies in the past ten years.

Is it just me or is the new Lili card utter trash?

>>48371958
I've met several.
Also? If you're afraid of normies, I want you out of my Goddamned hobby.
>>48372280
>>48371967
But you're both wrong. Anyone who bitches about how "games are all the same" is probably the kind of person who refuses to play any indie games that are different and unique.
Also, bland and brown isn't even in. You can probably expect more colourful Hero games in the coming years as games like Smite and Overwatch get more and more popular.

>>48373665
Wow. I never realized. You should be like a detective or something

>>48373728
>Also? If you're afraid of normies, I want you out of my Goddamned hobby.
Not him but pandering to the lowest common denominator of human results in quality things like big bang theory

>>48373950
Except that Magic is not The Big Bang Theory. It's a fucking Saturday morning cartoon for children and it does that perfectly well and the story is nowhere near as bad as the people in these threads--most of whom haven't even read the story to begin with--say that it is.

The people in these threads also want the mechanics to be a hyperconfusing clusterfuck of old rules that they don't actually understand but think they do. Every /tg/ Magic thread is filled with the kind of people who want Damage on the stack without understanding how the stack even works.

>>48373665
Just you. It's actually not bad. Her plus is alright, though nothing too exciting or game changing. Her minus is where it gets fun though. Her ultimate is nothing to write home about.

>>48374185
>the point of what I said
>you
Also
>thinking that people want an extreme of rules but don't understand them (and that it isnt nostalgia from oldfags and rules help for newfags)
Wizards can make sets more complex with difficult. The first modern masters had no vanilla card and it's draft was awesome for that. But the skill needed to draft it over other sets wasn't that much higher. Compare it to theros draft where it was "who can draft more volpine Goliaths"
Personally, i don't want banding back. I'd be happier with less vanilla cards and stronger noncreature spells.

>>48370666
>Urza was the best thing in Magic
Urza was a cunt and the only good part of his entire fucking story is the Brother's War. Everything thereafter is shit.

>>48374359
It's also a game that relies on trash commons. You can't have every set be like Modern Masters.

>>48374498
Why not? What's wrong with giving Commons mediocre abilities? Even if they're overcosted, like bestow. It adds depth

>>48374604
If commons have no purpose whatsoever, and are conceivably worthless after the initial draft is over, they shouldn't exist. If, however, they need to be correctly used because the show up in volume, or they exist to support a larger strategy, then that's different.

>>48374233
Sounds like trash to me.

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>>48374359
>less vanilla cards
Fucking THIS

Evergreen keywords exist for a reason - they're simple and show up so often that even new players understand what they mean quickly. At this stage in the game's development there is no need for vanilla cards beyond pure tribal support or above-curve power/toughness. Every card should be, at minimum, a french vanilla. If you replaced every vanilla creature in a set with tramplers, hasters, flyers, deathtouchers, first strikers, whatever, things would only be improved. When a below-curve vanilla creature is printed common and I know I'm going to end up with half a dozen of them, it makes me want to not bother with boosters.

>>48374706
>there is no need for vanilla cards beyond pure tribal support or above-curve power/toughness
>posts picture of a below-curve vanilla Wolf creature in a set with Wolf/Werewolf tribal
I kind of agree with you, but that's an unfortunate example

>>48374706
That would make limited hard to balance. Having better creatures would require better removal, and then that removal is only going to be found at higher rarities. It's fine as it, WotC tries to make limited fun and seems to do well every few years.

>>48374649
>If commons have no purpose whatsoever, and are conceivably worthless after the initial draft is over, they shouldn't exist
This is only if you assume Limited isn't a viable format.

>>48374706
Vanillas also exist for a reason.
>it makes me want to not bother with boosters.
Anon, unless you're in middle school, you should be buying singles.
Buying boosters is basically gambling, and not worth it. The boosters are for super casuals who don't understand the game and who just need to see a lot of cards and understand how things work, and for people playing Limited formats where half the point is to make do with what you have.

And the reason one of those 4/5s is GGG and the other is 4G is because the sets they're from are very different. For one thing, SOI draft has ways to buff up Wolves. Vanilla cards exist for several reasons.

Another reason is because the game is incredibly complex. Modern Masters had, what, a 7$ price tag? It is not a set for entry level players. MNM was not intended to be someone's first game of Magic.

And, yet another reason: Sets with every card being interactive and complex are more difficult to actually create, and you run the risk of creating sameyness, which isn't such a problem when you're working with cards that won't get played outside of the format they're created for.

And, sure, simple "moneygrubbing". Most of the cards in a pack are worthless. But would you buy a pack if they stayed the same price but cut out the commons?

>>48374753
Not really, again looking at modern masters there was good removal and good creature balance. Or conspiracy, with swords to plowshares that was put in but not op

>>48374818
>This is only if you assume Limited isn't a viable format.
No it isn't. I love limited, it's probably my favourite format. I just think that cards should have lasting appeal, otherwise they're literally wasted cardboard.

>>48375112
They served their function. That means they're not wasted.

They're not for you.

>>48365652
Old enough to become valuable to Nicol Bolas and grow old after the mending.

>>48358427
>She had the ability to purify Avacyn and solve the problem with the Angels single-handedly.

By nahirifags logic now sorin has the right to destroy kamigawa

>>48355642
the promos arent canon

>>48375639
>Sorinfags miss the point yet again
It's not about her "right".
She's fucking nutso, and Sorin betrayed her. Sorin made her nutso. He tortured her and betrayed her and then she got loose and he tried to fight instead of fixing the problem. It's not about what's right, it's about the fact that her motivations are understandable.

And I'm not a nahirifag, I just hate Sorin. He's a dick, and he backstabbed a friend because he's a shitty person.

>>48358427
Your analysis is all well and good, but you're failing to acknowledge that the spells she swore not to use were things like "That time Serra's Plane was obliterated". She doesn't refuse to use them because she promised not to. She promised not to because they're all world ending reality destroying high level spells. It's not so much that she's a nature photographer or has a Prime Directive as it is that she didn't want to go nuclear.

>>48358269
>Join up with a bunch of wannabe superheroes who would have died if you hadn't helped them and saddle yourself with a whole bunch of responsibility and danger
How about no.

>>48376296
Sorin and Nahiri both are shitty people who deserve to die.

Elspeth and Ajani are the only walker team worth anything.

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>>48371463
screencapped for posterity

>>48376471
Nahiri is an interesting character, though.
But I like "I've been through hell and now I'm crazy".
I also like the fighting between Sorin and Nahiri, because it's literally just a game of Magic. They're oldwalkers throwing armies at each other.

>Elspeth and Ajani are the only walker team worth anything.
>The Real Barenziah

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>>48355251
I like that all of them are dead by their own ability theme.