ANR General: Croporation Logos edition

>>48355078
More [Embed] for [Embed] god!

>>48355096

Honestly, I'm thinking Custom Biotics's problem is - same as with every HB ID - not so much inherent lack of value of the ID itself as much as the long dark shadow of EtF spoiling the waters for everyone else.

>>48355185

To expend on that; you could always make pretty decent kill decks with CB, borrowing enough tagging from NBN, enough damage from W, and mixing in the click-shenanigans that are part of HB's color pie.

Those decks would always suffer comparison with tighter, non-specialized decks with a much more limited back-up killing plan and the ridiculous economy of EtF, whether they wer going for a glacier or FA approach.

What I'm wondering right now with the expended card pool for that ID is board control. But it's not on my priority list for testing.

>>48355322
Not him, but my biggest issue with CB is that having too much influence feels sort of pointless.

I mean, if you're going to port in half a yellow or green deck, why not just play yellow or green? Surely what tools HB has to offer you can just port in.

How do you search for the icons in the db? I mean like the click icon, credit icon, and so on.
For example, if I wanted to find all the cards with a three-click cost like Toybox, Mining Co, etc, what do I type in?

>>48355883
Better agendas maybe? I know I'd love to have Efficiency Committee in a tag and bag deck atleast. Plus if you prefer HB's ice suite more you could use them without hitting your influence that hard.

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>>48355322
I tried Custom Biotics with Voting Machine Initiative and Victoria Jenkins. Wasn't the best, but sticking the runner with 3 or 2 click turns felt awesome. Bifrost Array was sick. Rezzing Vicky mid-turn just to fuck with play order was sick. Just a shame that the deck could be a bit too slow. Too many pieces.

>>48357440
[trash]
[click]
[credit]
[link]
[mu]
[subroutine]
[recurring_credit]

Like this:

x:"[trash]"

>>48358409
And in the example you ask:

x:"[click][click][click]"

>>48358425
Wait, no, I'm sorry. This provides cards such as Amped up, Day Job, and Hyperdriver.

For a cost:
x:"[click], [click], [click]" will show Melange.
x:"[click],[click],[click]" will show the rest like Toybox and Domestic Sleepers

>>48358409
>>48358425
>>48358463
Thank you very much!

When's the new art going to get uploaded to Jintenki? Don't like playing with these placeholders.

>>48357426
Ahh, finally a decent yellow NBN wallpaper.

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>>48360506
When the card has it's picture on netrunnerdb

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>>48355883
I think - somewhat fittingly given that they make customised bioroids for people - that they're probably one of the best IDs to use Localised Product Line - the 3 inf hit only knocks 1/7th of their inf rather than 1/5th

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More Līga Smilškalne art :D

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>>48367110
Nice, where was that at?

Liga, Emilo, and Zellinger's art (generally ice, locations, and characters, respectively) is always pretty great - it's a huge part of the flavour of the game that I love

>>48367235
That's Fairchild 1.0.

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>>48367261
I got that - and there's a very similarly coloured one in Blood Money too

I was wondering the source, as it's not on her DA yet

>>48367324
FFG Instagram.

That definitely seems to be Fairchild 2.0 there.

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>>48367363
Nice.
Quite a few full arts I didn't have on there, and a couple of new cards.

Also pic related, though whether that's lore art or a card art I don't know

>>48367657
It's from Worlds of Android. There's a description on the side of the art if you click on it.

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>>48367693
Oh yeah.

Dumb moment there

Any interesting Jesminder deck that isn't Vamp/AS spam so far?

Thinking of giving her another go this week end, and I'm finding so far her building space has been depressing narrow.

Is there nothing else that's interesting we can do out her?

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>>48368319
I'm just looking into that too anon.
Only interesting thing I found is using security nexus.
Still pondering if masanori is a good card or not to run with jes.

>>48368524

Given Masanori doesn't work with her ability, that wouldn't be my first choice of draw power.

>>48368611
Ugh you are right.

>>48355322
I think the biggest strength of importing tagging and tag punishment into HB is the enormous amount of recursion, strong bursty operation economy, and the access to Domestic Sleepers and 6 3/2s that can be never advanced or threaten Midseasons. With Weyland's tutors getting better and better, Custom Biotics could be a neat option.

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>>48367708
Oh wow, I've just seen the screen says "Have a nice day =D =D"

>>48368319
Well her console letting her bury/cycle cards in R&D faster is kind of nice (and bouncing News Team from your score area, or QPM from the corp's is ace), but I don't know if it's amazing - maybe combine with Turning Wheel?

>>48355078
Anyone know of decent printable play mats?

New to Netrunner, currently have only base set. Thinking of getting Data and Destiny because the gimmick runners look fun. Other than that what sets would you guys recommend? Also is there any decent Mac compatible online client?

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>>48372285

>>48372220
Jinteki.net is in-browser, not sure why that wouldn't work on a mac.

The reddit has a buying guide, but I only play online so someone else would have to help you with that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Netrunner/wiki/buyingguide

Just as a note, though, the three mini-factions are honestly not that good. If I remember correctly, they've consistently been at a sub-40% win rate online, but Jinteki stats are by no means a full indication of reality. They're extremely FUN, though.

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>>48372340
There's also the issue that they need lots of out-of-faction cards - I think there's at least one who can't make a legal deck on their own, and even with core as well you'd be seriously limited.

>>48372299

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>>48372470

>>48372340
Thanks. Honestly probably just going to stick to kitchen table with some friends, so being top meta really doesn't matter that much to me. Can see the point about getting some datapacks due to the deck assembly though.

>>48372733
The mini-factions depend greatly on neutral cards, which are mostly found in big box expansions.

>>48367363
Nah, that's Kappa. Art commisioned by fan for their sleeves.

>>48374273
I mean in the fan.

>>48374432
>>48374273

Sorry meant to reply to >>48367261

>>48374506
The Fairchild remark was in response to the question of "where is that from" not a comment on their own pic.

>>48374530
Oh, apologies for misunderstanding. I hadn't recognized that new piece since it was impossible to tell anything apart on that card photo.

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>>48369335

Many of us made that mistake. Hope is a fickle mistress.

>>48370294

Hadn't thought about it that way, but yeah, Weyland tutoring + HB recursion could lead to some disgusting decks. I'm all for it.

>>48371945

Would that be good enough for you?

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Trash an installed Chrysalis with PolOp?

This seems dumb, but I can't see why not

>>48377387
A 2-strength Sentry with a single porous sub really isn't worth it. The card is almost completely useless outside of the surprise factor. I don't think any sane player would install it outside of some mindgame play, since it shouldn't ever tax the Runner more than a single credit.

And after testing it, it shouldn't really be used at all. I thought it was going to be a step between Shock and Snare, but what's important is the term "encounters". If they have any killer on board, it's virtually useless because of how weak it is. There are very few situations where it'll actually go off.

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>>48377487
I've been having some fun with it in RP as a snare replacement with Sandburg involved.
Sandburg is crazy.

>>48377511
Atleast until Beth gets released and runners start gaining a click anyway. Wonder how Anarch will take advantage of corps pumping money for Sandburg, so far Shapers have Beth and Criminals have Hernando Cortez.

>>48377487

I guess it could be useful if you have a stealth rig and not enough stealth credits to go through two ICE: trash Chrysalis, break the other...

>>48377793

Yeah, Anarch version has me on the edge of my seat.

>>48377487
Actually other than Femme, Garrote, and Mimic, all other Killers need atleast 2 credits to break it. Granted, Mimic is practically everywhere, but it's sure to fire off more frequently in any rig without it, or atleast tax the runner more.

Also, a funny interaction is that Nero can nope right the fuck out when he accesses it, which means he's the only one who can jack out after a successful run.

>>48378754
>which means he's the only one who can jack out after a successful run.

That's classy however you look at it.

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>>48378754
Nice.

Nero "Noooope" Severn - if we get more Ambush sentries, he'll be a good choice to be cautious indeed (sadly Archangel is a Code Gate, so there's a precedent for them not being Sentries while still being Ambushes)

>>48384428
Interestingly, Chrysalis doesn't have the Ambush subtype, unless the image my deckbuilding app has for it is outdated. Also I'm kinda hoping for an on access Barrier ice in Weyland, though given those usually only have ETR subs, I'm not sure where they would fit in a deck. A multi-access prevention method maybe? Alternatively, though unlikely, an RnD upgrade that forces an encounter when the Runner accesses ice.

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>>48385028
>Chrysalis doesn't have the Ambush subtype
Yeah, looking back, I don't know why I thought that - it clearly is an ambush though, it's certainly not proper ice.

I could see multi-access prevention - "lol you hit a wall in R&D, can't see any more" - which might be nice (and might even apply anywhere, for ulitmate anti-multiaccess), though Weyland also have a nice line in sentries, to go the more "fucking runners up" route.

I'd quite like to see an upgrade that puts a sub in front of all the subs on an ice.
One of the worst parts about Weyland ice is that often you can facecheck it fine, unless there's a Hostile Takeover scored, or some other indication of nastiness.
Builder of Nations is some way to counteract that, though it is once per turn, and only on advanced ice (PAD factory and Satalite Grid make it awesome though).
An upgrade that adds something like "do 1 net damage", or "the runner loses 2c", or even just "the corp gains 2c" in front of all other subs would be really nice - turning all walls into mini-WoTs and just making stuff more expensive to break in general.
Also it'd give Street Magic some more justification.

>>48385318

Isn't it what Builder of Nations is all about?

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>>48385402
Speaking of BoN, I've been testing it recently online alongside space ice. It's kind of ridiculous. The runner's forced to play completely differently thanks to how taxing the unavoidable damage is. Want to run? Hope you're not saving anything important in your hand.

Not who you're replying to, by the way.

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>>48385402
Yeah, but it's pretty limited - I was just thinking of something to up weyland's tax game a bit

>>48386027
I've been trying it (I'm PAD campaign/factory guy), but not really got space ice, you say it's great?

Also pack 5 and Mausolus can't come fast enough

>>48386086
I actually cannot believe how cheap Mausolus is.

>>48386086
>I've been trying it (I'm PAD campaign/factory guy), but not really got space ice, you say it's great?
Space ice is still space ice, I'm saying that casually dropping 1 damage every run that can't be broken is extremely taxing.

>>48386027
Which do you think would be better to splash in, the space ice or cheap stuff like Ice Wall/Searchlight/Shadow?

>>48386086
I haven't tried it, but the card ability and Housekeeping (maybe the new Door to Door) looks like it could hurt the grip pretty bad.

How did you fit in PAD factory by the way? Any particularly important bits needed to be cut from the deck?

>>48386027
I suspect Muresh Bodysuit will be more popular in the future.

>>48386241
Not really - of all the issues I've had with the deck, PAD Factory wasn't really one of them.
Advancing things for free, and advancing anything, is pretty great - especially if people don't think of it as a threat, which sometimes happens

>>48386293
Isn't it rotating out after this cycle?

Anyway, I can't see it as more than a one-of.

>>48386360
>after this cycle
This is cycle 6.
Cycle 8 dropping will cause Genesis and Spin to rotate out

>>48386293

At the very least its value is raising.

So I just noticed something funny for Mumbad Construction Co. in Builder of Nations. Did the Runner just Inside Job/DDoS past the single advanceable ice protecting a server, or put your credits low enough you can't rez it? If there's a rezzed ice after it, you can use MCC to put an advancement token on that ice instead! Advanced Data Raven shenanigans ahoy!

Really feel like making a Fast Advance deck using BoN now, maybe using that Hollywood + Atlas single turn score trick too. Hopefully I can fit in enough economy though.

>>48388317

Nice catch. Really liking the idea of this.

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Talking to someone after a game on Jinteki, I really hope that the "having money makes your opponent stronger" like pic related applies to the runners too - modern runners are so damn rich

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>>48388317
How do you protect your MCC?

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>>48392603

Komainu or bust!

>>48391408

We already have an example with High-Risk Investment, but I must say I'm conflicted. While I think the game could use more cards to fight runners sitting on a pile of cash to snipe, it's not as if the archetype had been the most successful one.

And I would things things that force the hand of the runner into running and spending would probably be the best answer.

>>48392907
>things that force the hand of the runner into running and spending would probably be the best answer.

Well you can easily get them to run, but getting them to spend a non-trivial amount isn't easy - some way to punish a runner that just sits back until you try and score (Leela, Iain, some Sunny, anyone who's got Au Revoire-Turning Wheel up, possibly a few mill decks)

I know it's a strat that fails against Rush and FA, but I think there should be some way to stop a runner just snowballing and sitting on a mountain of cash by not running unless you try and score - I mean we see a bit in things like Hard-Hitting news, but it's one of only 3 that don't depend on successful runs

Consulting Visit makes the Government Takeover decks ridiculous.

>>48392603
I'm using Sandburg as well, so maybe put it in a scoring remote? Too bad it's 4 to rez AND there's a limiter in the form of number of remaining advancement tokens on it and the cost to move tokens, but I guess this is a pretty good sweet spot for an FA tool.

So the UFAQ for 23 Seconds is out. Some interesting points are >>48377387 can happen, and if you pay to gain credits (such as Hedge Fund), it momentarily shuts off Sandburg if you dip below 10 credits.

>>48397243
Oh, and also the bit about about letting the runner float a click from Temple of the Liberated Mind if they use it at the end of the turn.

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>>48396696
Yeah, it's a fairly balanced card on the whole, but it's not the easiest thing in the world to use, and it's a stupendous must-trash

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FFG getting in on the meme game in the latest UFAQ, what is the world coming to?

>>48377387
That's bullshit. The data pack insert specifies that the ICE with trash cost can only be trashed paying the trash cost if the ICE is accessed while it is not installed.

Although, I suppose it's ok if this type of ambush ICE remains on the weaker side of the spectrum.

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>>48401009
I know it's a bit cheeky to ask, but I don't suppose you could type up the flavour insert for 23 Seconds, could you?

It'll be ages before we get it here/in person, and I'm a massive lorefag for Android

>>48401009

Too bad. The trash cost "disappear" so to speak if installed?

But then PolOp only cares that the card is rezzed. Worth asking I guess.

>>48401009
>>48401063
It's already confirmed to be doable in the UFAQ. Though as an anon said, it's hardly worth the PolOp, I'd personally rather use it on Caprice, Ash or Sandburg myself.

>>48401109

Nice. And agree that it wouldn't be a priority target in a vacuum, bu having the option is better than not having it.

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>>48401038
Here you go. I'm too lazy to type the whole thing. The other side has nothing special, just the credits and a picture of Null.

>>48401309

The plot thickens on that Omar conspiracy.

Interesting backstory about Null.

Thanks for sharing.

>>48401309
They sure know how to hype a cycle. I feel like playing Mainframe now. Also it's nice that Null seems to be one of the more "nicer" Anarchs, along with Valencia.

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>>48401309
Thanks mang

>>48401377

>Just As Planned.

>>48401309
Are we going to call Omar Turtle now?

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>>48401842
Better sounding than Keurng

>>48401420

I fond it interesting that he is a Corporate asset. New light on Black Orchestra.

The conspiracy theory about Keung is now made more interesting by the fact that we don't know how much his white hat stance happens to be genuine (warned NBN, published and signed his papers).

>>48401009
I think the insert is just clarifying that you can't trash the ice while encountering it.

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>>48402106
>a Corporate asset
He works/ed for a corp, but then so has Silhouette in the past - understandable seeing as he'd have to be on the inside to be, as his subtitle puts it, a Whistleblower

>>48402265

Silhouette does mercenary work, Null seem to be an employee - high ranking enough to have his own office which he can rig and a secretary. That's a whole different level of being in corporate employ.

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>>48402315
True.
Mind, the prof used to do a lot of work with HB, before he found what they were using his research for and scrambled all his work.

But yeah, it does look like he's a Titan man

>>48402265
>>48402315

Even Noise freelanced for Melange at one point iirc, and then there is that new Crim bounty huntress not related to Singh at all.

Alright, fuccbois, talk me out of this lunatic line of reasoning.

The UFAQ says that if you gain a click via temple of the liberated mind after the action phase of your turn as runner, that click will be unavailable to spend on an action until the start of your next action phase - so your turn ending does NOT evaporate the click, and it sticks around until the next turn. This is because nothing in the post-action-phase part of your turn says anything about killing any leftover clicks.

But nothing at the end of the action phase does that either. Not normally an issue, since the end of the action phase is only triggered once you're out of clicks.

Unless you play a Terminal event.

So. If you play a terminal event as click1 as corp, does your next turn have five clicks because the two unspent clicks will carry over? Talk me out of this batshit.

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>>48402942
what the literal shit damon stone what have you done

>>48402942
The insert explicitly states that when the Corp plays a Terminal operation, they lose the unspent clicks, see >>48401309. Plus there's a part in the new Turn structure where the Corp loses their clicks too.

BUT. If you rez Director Haas during 3.3 however...

>>48403333
Or Arcology AI.

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>>48403333
>If you rez Director Haas during 3.3 however...
>gets quads of truth
>3333 for 3.3
Mmm, maybe. Seems like it might, with the ruling, but note that the UFAQ does overturn several other recent rulings, so this may not stay.

>>48403392
HAAI costs a click, so no

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>>48403392

>>48403392
Paid abilities that require clicks can only be used as an action during the Action Phase if I'm recalling it correctly, so you can't use Arcology AI unfortunately.

>>48403452
I hope it does. I'd rather not 6 click turns happen regularly, or even 10 click runner turns, especially since 9 clicks are already a possibility. All in shaper too, goddamn. I guess if it stays we can have Director Haas shenanigans, but that's never going to happen regularly even if a deck is built around it.

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>>48403539
Those early shaper turns (or even 3x 7 click turns) can be really annoying - for just a measly credit (or free in Kate) - the faction with the best draw and that is most dangerous when set up (after Sunny, anyway) gets to have 6 or 7 clicks very early on to draw and set up their rig, it's mad acceleration

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>>48372515
So, Controlling the Message has the first tags that "cannot be avoided" - they're tied to a trace, as one might expect from a tag, but this is a new development - no matter how tight you are with City Hall, your bike, or what computer you use, it's unavoidable

We've seen unavoidable things before - trashes, damage (usually, but not always, self-inflicted), but this tag is new

Thoughts? Hope we'll see more unavoidable stuff? Hope we really don't?

>>48405515
Inevitable that we'll see more unavoidable now that jesminder is out.
Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if they errata Argus's tag to be unavoidable.

Can someone explain the e3 changes to me? The new wording suggests you can now only use each e3 to break one (1) subroutine and that it no longer activates itself. But the examples in the FAQ say that the card still works exactly the same.

>>48406090
They just didn't like the word "additional", made it unclear what exactly was going on, I guess.

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>>48405721
That'd be one hell of a buff

I mean, I'd like it, but I think it might be a bit much

>>48406090
It was because "additional" implied it had to be another subroutine - now it interacts with Tyr's hand so you can break the same sub with e3 as well

New game: the ladder of runner corporate employ.

Who never worked for a corp?
Who's a drone ('lo MaxX)?
Mercenaries, former employees, middle rank, high rank, part of the superstructure, but not stricto sensu in direct employ (Sunny I guess?)...

>>48405515

If their issue was getting around Jesminder and Dorm Computer, I really think they should have gone the "after the run is over" way rather than unavoidable.

Oh,well...

>>48367324
When exactly is blood money due?

And how do we still not have full scans of 23 Seconds? Does it normally take this long?

>>48408216

Weird, the cards are on cardgamedb.

Given we barely got 23 seconds last week, I'd say still 3 weeks to Blood Money.

>>48408216
>Does it normally take this long?
Eh, normally when we've had the pack available we get scans pretty quick

>>48408312
>>48408317
Well, only a handful of them are on netrunnerdb and Jinteki. Makes actually playing the cards very awkward.

I wasn't aware that packs were monthly, though. Blood Money's really coming out in only a month?

>>48408336

That's been the pace for cycles, yeah (well, provided no shipping issues).

I know quite a few people that find it both too fast, and yet unsatisfying because of fragmented releases.

Part of why some of us only upgrade(d) once the cycle is over.

I always forget SYNC is 40/15... that + its cool ability should get my creative juices flowing. And yet it never does.

I haven't followed netrunner for about a year, is Weyland good yet?

>>48410987
Argus Security is still upper tier, and I'm pretty sure Blue Sun is still one of the most popular IDs.
BaBW is arguably the best ID to run Sandburg in, which is the big fotm asset that just launched.
Upcoming Builder of Nations is probably going to force a lot of people to tech Plascrete Carapace.
But just wait for the rotation.

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>>48411061
Oh, also this

>>48408312
So 1-2 weeks to spoilers then? I hope so atleast, FFG has been pretty stingy with their Netrunner updates.

>>48410987
>>48411061
Gagarin also got a boost due to the asset spam meta.

>>48411146
I've been wanting to make an effective EtF kill deck for a while now. I do believe I've found the tool I'm looking for...

>>48411146
Hmm.

Looks like midseasons is the one to want here

>>48402636
I thought that was Armitage?

>>48414914

It think it was somewhere in the first novel, but I forgot which specific corp he freelanded for.

>>48407758

Even those who won't willingly work for the corps directly can always be manipulated to do their bidding one way or another. Human First and friends would make great pawns to strike at HB/jintekai holdings for instance.

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>>48407758
Lets see

Sunny, Null, Silhouette, MaxX and Khan have all worked directly for some corp, even if it's not one of the Big Four

Two have worked for the government, Iain in the NSCA and Reina in the Army.
Given Reina hates Weyland with a passion, I suspect they may have had a hand there.

The Prof worked with HB for a while - I can imagine they chucked him a few Research Grants

Andy was riste, so she probably had some involvement with corps - though that might be inhereted.

Noise has probably worked for on of the smaller corps, and he may have pulled some sort of deal with Jinteki to get a clone of his own.

We know almost nothing of Exile, but an Exile-looking man is on the Creation and Control box, though that could just be a break-in

Adam, of course, has "worked" for HB

Fisk has his own mini-corp that we've seen almost nothing of

Nero's insert has him unwillingly doing something for HB - and as >>48415133 says, everyone else could be said to have done a bit in the corporate cold war between Jinteki and HB

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>>48411146

I'd say this also.

That card has really changed the balance of my kill decks. Plascretes were already making a come back through Faust locally because of all the kills. But know they're back in full force.

.>>48415972
>Adam, of course, has "worked" for HB

Well, technically, Adam is HB property.

Apex? I cn just imagine the end of Howard now: sent in as a negotiator0

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>>48416171
Yes, or at least he was (this also applies to Ken for Jinteki, now that I think about it)

As for Apex, we've discussed before that it moonlights as an answer-bot for its Day Job

>>48416171
>>48416218

Wonder if the Flashpoint cycle card for Adam and Apex would imply their Corp connection, even in an indirect way.

>>48416218

God daium yes, Day Job Apex is best Apex.

>>48417700

I don't really think Apex even should have a Corp connection. Apart from the obvious "no no no no no kill it with fiiiiiireeeeee!" one, of course.

I like Apex as that standalone, alien thing.

>>48416218

I'm guessing until given recognition as sentient lifeforms, Adam (and to a lesser extent even Ken) will still be considered corporate property.

>Fisk has his own mini-corp that we've seen almost nothing of

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of that aspect being developed further in the game.

Random thought, but in an aggressively anti econ deck (if only with Reversed Account/dedicated Ceremony support), using Door to Door only once you've already gotten the tag to stick seems the way to go to me.

Add in Crisis Management to double up and The Cleaners to transition into murderous.

In the made up card category:

House Arrest

0 to rez 4 to trash 4 Influence Weyland

Rez only if the runner stole an Agenda on the previous turn.

The runner is tagged. You cannot play Operations with a Gray Ops or Black Ops subtype.

If House Arrest is trashed while installed clear all the runner's tags.

>>48401038
>>48401309

Does anyone have a link to the flavor text for the Mumbad Cycle? I haven't been able to find full text for the whole thing (especially FtM).

>>48418914
I think only inserts that have been seen online so far were first pack and Democracy and Dogma.

>>48419089

ANCUR has the flavor inserts for a bunch of packs (25 total), as well as the big box sets, but nothing recent. I guess the people doing them got bored? If/when I buy the next packs, I suppose I should do something about it.

>>48418245
An early Midseasons then? Reversed Account + Dedication Ceremony definitely seems nasty, though I'm not sure how long a Runner can stay in poverty these days.

House Arrest seems more an NBN thing, since it's a tag punishment oriented card that's for something other than meat damage. Plus Paparazzi is a thing, so...

>>48418245
>>48420604
House Arrest feels more like a current than an asset, honestly.

>>48420709
A current would make it a bit strong I think, since the only way to remove it would be another current or stealing an agenda. Atleast as an asset you can snipe or prevent it with PolOp or Councilman, or make a run to trash it. Though I guess the only devastating card to see when tagged that isn't a Gray or Black Ops is The All-Seeing I, so not sure how useful this can be beyond resource trashing.

>>48420857
It would need to be terminal or require a trace or something. Maybe Trace 3, and if it fails the card is trashed?

Also, Android fluff question: are bioroids meaningfully biological, or are they mechanical things that just look like humans?

Man, not the previous guy who mentioned this, but imagining PAD Factory in BoN is hilarious.

"I advance this ice twice with PAD Factory. So you're running here? Were you expecting a space ice? Nah, it's just an Enigma/Data Raven, take a meat damage."

>>48420709

I think it works better as an Asset myself. It's powerful in itself, it opens potential later kill with the judge, but you have to open yourself to pretty devastating runner play.

Just imagine a worst case scenario: AS -> AS -> AS -> Vamp + End the turn with a Pol Op trash and no tags.

As anon noted, as a current it could stay a lot longer on the table - and for no bad play of yours, just not having a current in your deck.

Recently moved to Redmond WA, can anyone recommend some good game stores around the area that have Netrunner ? I haven't played for like 2 months and I want to get back into it

>>48420938
Bioroids are entirely mechanical/electronic. The Bio in their name is refering to their electronic "brains", which are based upon human brain scans.

If that deck *ever* wins anything I'll cry tears of laughter, but it's been loads of fun for casual night.

I present you Dangerous and Stupid.

GRNDL: Power Unleashed (Fear and Loathing)

Agenda: (7)
1x Government Takeover (Order and Chaos)
3x Hostile Takeover (Core)
3x Vanity Project (Old Hollywood) ■ ■ ■

Asset: (1)
1x Project Junebug (Core) ■

ICE: (15)
3x Paper Wall (Mala Tempora)
2x Archer (Core)
2x Checkpoint (Order and Chaos)
2x Enigma (Core)
1x Wendigo (First Contact)
2x Errand Boy (The Source)
3x Bailiff (Democracy & Dogma)

Operation: (22)
3x Hedge Fund (Core)
3x Restructure (Second Thoughts)
3x Punitive Counterstrike (True Colors)
3x Consulting Visit (The Liberated Mind)
2x Election Day (Fear the Masses)
2x Scorched Earth (Core)
2x SEA Source (Core) ■■ ■■
1x Exchange of Information (The Liberated Mind) ■■
2x Fast Track (Honor and Profit)
1x Back Channels (Old Hollywood)

Hostile Takeovers are the most important resource of the deck; cash one asap. Don't be afraid to drop cards for a Election Day draw boost. Don't be afraid to Consulting Fast Track that Takeover if you have the right back up. Errand Boy is for draw.

>>48421259
I was under the impression that you could only place advancement tokens on a card that can be advanced.

>>48423472
You can only advance a card that can be advanced (obviously). Many cards that place advancement tokens on things require that the card be one that can be advanced. For example, Shipment from SanSan reads "Place up to 2 advancement tokens on a card that can be advanced."

However, not all cards that place advancement tokens have this requirement. PAD Factory reads "Place 1 advancement token on a card". It does not say that the card that you place the advancement token on has to be one that can be advanced, so that restriction does not apply and you can use it to put advancement tokens on anything.

>>48423472
>>48423705

Tennin does that too, which led to interesting oblique strategies.

Seriously... seriously... why is Puppet Master NOT a Weyland agenda?

>>48423897
For the same reason why Jinteki got Tennis Institute and Trick of Light.

>>48424007

Surely you meant "for the same reason Weyland got Helium-3 Deposit"?

>>48423897

Because Weyland is NBN's bitch and everyone knows that. Even all them protesters were condemning NBN when Reina got busted wreaking Weyland assets.

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http://ancur.wikia.com/wiki/23_Seconds_UFAQ
>23. Why is Dan D'Argenio depicted as wearing sleeves on Deuces Wild?
>A. Cards must be sleeved to be legal for tournament play.

What decks should I take to store champs if I don't know the meta, I don't have 23 seconds yet and probably wont by the time its on

>>48428632
Maybe Weyland somehow managed to keep their name off of being involved with her arrest, and let NBN take the fall instead?

>>48423705
Has there been a ruling for PAD Factory and the advanced only when rezzed ice?

>>48428964

The best deck to bring if you don't know the meta is one that works for you and is good. Especially if you don't know the meta, your decks need to be able to be decent in any match-up. Sometimes it comes down to knowing how to adjust your playstyle in certain match-ups, aka icing HQ against Crims and Jesminder. If you want to get really good, you'll learn to adjust to how your opponents adjust to you and etc. That's how Exile and Professor win SCs.

And before you think that you wouldn't possibly face up against your one really bad match-up, you will face it at least twice over 4 rounds guaranteed.

>>48430611
PAD Factory can advance anything that couldn't be advanced under normal circumstances.

Someone over at /bgg/ took photos of the insert for Android Mainframe.

>>48430762
>>48430835
>>48430840
>>48430848

Naga seems to be a new character, probably not Omar then?

>>48430889
Neat, Woodcutter could have some value as a pseudo Komainu then. Takes time though, and still a Parasite target. Might be good in Sandburg decks?

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>>48431019
Nice.

Naga seems to be another information broker, just like Nero. Reading the insert I get the feeling that he not only was aware of the security flaw Omar and Null were talking about, but also ready to sell this information. After all, 23 seconds is not a lot of time to react.

>>48431019
Android Mainframe doesn't have any separate flavor text piece, it's all in the rulebook. You can get it from FFG website, you know.

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/4e/b1/4eb16b7a-ba65-4491-aa31-790ae3e46141/ad02_rulebook_web.pdf

>>48418001
I wonder if his investments were savvy enough to weather the storm of the Flashpoint?


But yeah, I hope we see more of him and his company (and Chronos)

>>48423897
It represents NBN using the runner's moves to their own advantage - even when you try and hurt NBN by running you help them (combined with advertisements NBN can do very well out of runs) - it's the kind of manipulation that Weyland doesn't really care to do

Also NBN does have cards that deal with advancing cards - Matrix Analyser, Early Premier at least

>>48430611
It's placing an advancement token, not advancing, so it's fine

>new MWL is out
>drifted away from the game because cancer decks, mainly on corp side
>come back on jinteki
>3 first games are asset spam

I thought this kind of shit was gone, but apparently MWL just killed IG cancer.

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Why does he hate bioroids?

>>48433247
They took his job and his hand.

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>>48433247
Because they are better runners than he'll ever be.

>>48433282
I just noticed he's missing hand.
>>48433296
Adam isn't that bioroid tampered by Noise? On that card where he says that it's not impossible to hack into bioroids?

>>48433393
>Adam isn't that bioroid tampered by Noise?
Probably not. He doesn't look like the one that got framed in Frame Job.

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>>48433282
And something happened to his girl too - there's a "she" in his flavour insert, and she is dead

>>48418001
Yeah it does sound cool

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>>48430084
Given the card makes you take a tag (can you avoid them with NACH?) I guess NBN gets the flak for it given how strongly they're associated with all the things tagging represents

Hey, /tg/. My local group has a for-fun custom format where we vote on a handful of cards to spice things up during casuals.
One of the cards proposed recently was this:

>(Jinteki) General Cloning and Genetics Facility: Making a Better You
>Identity: Division • Deck: 45 • Influence: 10
>There can be one additional copy of each unique card with the same title active at a time.

And I was thinking about how I can abuse this. The obvious is having a pair of Caprice or Batty active at once, but I can't think of anything else that either works with multiple copies or really makes an impact. Jinteki doesn't really have enough economy to justify Sandburg (I think), and most of the nicer cards that can lead to some interesting setups (Director Haas, The Board) would eat up all the influence. Maybe Chairman Hiro, since having a -4 hand size could end the game?

Any opinions or feedback on the design of the identity? I can bring up that it's too weak/strong when we meet if that's the consensus.

>>48436959
Double Hiro into Neural or Bioethics Kill. Use Tech Startups, Advanced Assembly Lines, EBCs, and Executive Search Firms to get your cards on the board, plus Hostile Infrastructure to slow down the runner. Then murder them.

In my opinion, its way overpowered.

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thoughts?

>>48439554
Looks good - 3 subs, 6 strength is nothing to sneeze at, and making the runner lose money as well as getting hit is very nice too

>>48439554
I find interesting that it is a code gate.

>>48423456

Results of the day: 12 wins for 15 matches. Was riding the high tide of the probability wave. One loss a turn three Maker's Eye into two Vanity. The other two very solid piloting from my opponents.

The deck would be curb-stomped to death if plascretes and Film Critic were in fashion, but thankfully for me, that's not the case here.

Hilarious to play, most games over before turn ten. Favorite kill's been the Fast Track Government Takeover install Junebug and supercharge. Was a high risk play, but knowing the opponent well helped a lot.

>>48431019
Nice, thanks for sharing.

>>48439554
>>48439890

I find it kinda weird they would add to the repertoire of cards that helps invalidate Nero before he even got his time to shine.
As noted previous thread, nice that it's a valid Leviathan target. Still trying to see where I would want that. Right before a Fetal AI looks like murder. But it's a lot of money to drop for a parasite resistant Komainu. I guess if you can get it to fire early enough in the game, the combination of credit and card loss could mean the game right there... though you're crippling yourself in the process too.

>>48436959

Jank time:
- Multiple Ibrahim Salem rezzed via Toybox. And multiple Suzanoo since we're there.
- Multiple Jeeves as support (with two Jeeves on you can NA 5/3s).

>>48440646
Both Salem and Jeeves are unique, anon.

>>48440818

See the post to which I'm answering, then start going crazy. With ideas of your own.

>>48440896
Sorry, my thread following comprehension was sorely lacking.

>>48440474
Maybe since Nero's good for early face checking, the corp might've rezzed everything early and kept too poor to rez it DNA Tracker later? There's also GPI Net Tap for emergency situations, and fits him thematically as well.

>>48444173
>There's also GPI Net Tap for emergency situations, and fits him thematically as well.

The thing was Nero could facecheck in relative impunity and not need to bother with set up, saving up on Fairy uses, dispensing of Snitch .slotting

That wasn't a huge advantage, but it was one. If enough code gates start showing up that are sentry like in danger, then all this is gone.

>>48439554
Doesn't matter, because it dies to Sharpshooter + Panchatantra or Deus X.

>>48444919
True. At the very least the deadlier code gates have been expensive or passable by other means at the moment, but if cheaper DNA Trackers pop up it's definitely going to make Nero less useful, AND cement Leela as the better Criminal ID to use.

>>48444919
Sentries are still a much nastier prospect, but if all the nasty ice were sentries then it'd be even more impossible to hit Nero at all with ice - god knows, ice fires little enough as it is.
Also I think snitch will be pretty common in Nero builds, given that quite a lot of his stuff supports jacking out anyway

I do like that we're seeing some more painful ice though.

>>48445101
>hurr durr

>>48439554
Seems like jinteki finally got their Tollbooth.

>>48448144
>finally
What are everyone else's Tollbooth, other than Tollbooth?

>>48449135
Heimdall 1.0 for HB and none for Weyland because, you know, these guys already got scorched earth. Fuck Lukas.

Although Mausolus will probably become Big W's Tollbooth.

>>48449202
Mausolus seriously can't come soon enough. I hope Blood Money or Escalation has 1 usable Weyland ice, all the new IDs, agendas and operation aren't any use if their ice are still terrible.

How did Barriers suffer a decline again? Is it due to Lady and D4V1D?

>>48449274
Barriers were always kind of a joke. Corroder is like super efficient, cheap and low influence.
Plus barriers always were over-costed because the designers never took into account how easy it was to break them and how unpunishing they were for face checking.

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>>48449274
Lady, David, and the fact that Corroder is so damn cheap, both to use and to splash

The fact that they can't punish a facecheck (other than Thorns, a couple of bioroids, sometimes Galahad and technically Orion) also makes them pretty low value - you'd expect a Fire Wall to burn a little, wouldn't you?

I'd say breakers, especially fracters, are far too efficient for 1/1 to be an appropriate cost/strength for the weakest type of ice going

I sure as hell am looking forward to Mausolus, and I hope that it's part of a set.
If I'm being really optimistic, I'd hope that it's the Lycan of the set, not the Wormhole - let weyland's big sentries and barriers take their usual positions in the ice rating vis-a-vis code gates and have them be really good.
I do realise this is both unlikely and greedy, but even the nastiest w̶e̶y̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ice tends not to do much these days

>>48449401
>>48449495
I see. I do wonder how they'll plan to increase the capabilities of Barriers, just checked through my deckbuilder app and the number of Barrier ice (30+) is practically half of Code Gates (50+) and Sentries (60+). They might've accidentally barred themselves from potential design space due to the efficiency to get through thing.

>Mausolus as a set
I'd love that too, but unless they plan on making Flashpoint a Weyland-centric cycle and go past the usual 13-14 cards(?) per faction, it's pretty unlikely. Especially since there's maybe 3-5 unknown Weyland cards left.

>>48445101

By that metric, no ICE matters ever.

>>48449401
>Plus barriers always were over-costed because the designers never took into account how easy it was to break them and how unpunishing they were for face checking.

That's their whole point though. They're supposed to be the ones that stop the runner. Which is not a small thing.

I don't think I agree with over-costed either. Without going into the aberration that is Eli; Let's go with a neutral comparison:
- Bastion is 4 to rez/3to break by Corroder. Cobra 3 to rez/2 to break by Mimic or Garrote.
- Wall of Thorns 8 to rez/breaks for 5 by Corroder. Ichi 2.0 8 to rez 6 to break by Garrote (but then it's a bioroid, Next Gold 8 to rez/4 to break by Garrote).

I think the problem with Barriers is not so much the break costs as much as the fact that Corroder is a no-brainer.

With other types, you need to give thought to your rig and the meta when choosing the breaker. With Barriers, Corroder is almost always a decent go-to. It's very rarely a bad choice.

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>>48449710
>Cobra 3 to rez
I want your cobra

>>48449710

To expend on that: there were times when using Morningstar was actually a pretty decent choice, Eli was everywhere, hardly anyone was playing ICE that was not pure gear check and therefore not 6+ strength.

Hardly anyone played Morningstar though, without disregarding MU, mostly I think because of the tempo loss at the start of the game. But also I think because people extend a lot more thought into the Killer/Decoder set up (well the later when Yog.0 stopped being the other auto-answer). Because the ICE they break are not safe to face-check for sure, but also I think because the breakers on offer are more constraining. Corroder is always a decent choice. A good enough one. It doesn't kill your early game aggression AND you can afford for it not to be the optimal choice for the meta because you made sure (had to really) the other breakers were optimized instead, in a balancing act.

>>48449793

Typo, Cobra was obviously chosen because it had the same rez cost as Bastion.

>>48449851
Makes me wonder how they managed to avoid this with Gordian Blade, since it's less of an autoinclude and the other decoders do get picked from time to time. I guess due to the combination of the install and influence cost? If so, maybe Corroder will get put into the MWL? I'd be of two minds about that if that happens, while it would introduce some variety into fracter choices, having another Anarch core set card in the MWL just feels bad.

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>>48449997
>maybe Corroder will get put into the MWL? I'd be of two minds about that if that happens, while it would introduce some variety into fracter choices, having another Anarch core set card in the MWL just feels bad.
Yeah, I feel that corroder's omnipresence is something that should be adjusted to via ice, rather than by even more orange cards on the MWL - it doesn't apply the same constraints on design that other breakers on the list do, and it's not hyper-efficient like others.

Make more 5 or less mutlisub ice to see more Sherman and Morning Star, for example

>>48449851
Yeah, was just a joke

>>48449657
>unless they plan on making Flashpoint a Weyland-centric cycle and go past the usual 13-14 cards(?) per faction
At the end of Mumbad there's 105 HB, 106 Jinteki, 109 Weyland and 110 NBN cards, but it's also clear that there's a lot more chaff in Weyland than anywhere else - and despite all his talk about there being viable decks in every ID, Damon has said he recognises Big W's predicament, and said something like "it doesn't matter what I think, if people perceive the faction to be shit, that's the reality of the faction for the game".

So ideally it'd be a few really good cards, but a slightly larger number of cards, 15 or 16, might have to do.

Thematically at least, this cycle should be a big deal for Weyland, and some of their cards are showing that... but others really aren't - CI fund will need some godly support/reason to be played if it's not going be instant binder fodder.
Some sort of Asset protection would be gold for Weyland, given how good their assets could be if they weren't so cheap to trash.

>>48450501
>Damon has said he recognises Big W's predicament, and said something like "it doesn't matter what I think, if people perceive the faction to be shit, that's the reality of the faction for the game".
Source ? Not doubting, just curious.

I also remember him saying there were good things to come for Weyland and seeing the flahpoint cycle (which is the first he designed) so far, he was right.

>>48450542
Roughly minutes 8-10 of the TWA 92
https://s71.podbean.com/pb/422d22265ba6ee807cf06379f3817857/57960a4a/data3/fs175/708615/uploads/Episode_93_-_Final.mp3

>>48450606
Thank you !

>>48450606
He really is an utterly pathetic sack of dicks. Of course, everyone is clearly just playing Weyland wrong: "the mass exodus of Weyland is the reason for Faust's dominance", after all. What an absolute shitstick.

>>48450501
Going by Spiderweb, Hive, Tyrant and Curtain Wall though, it's likely that they think multisub barriers should be expensive to rez and weak in strength for some reason. Maybe there's a perception that ETR is a strong subroutine? I guess it is, since it's a must break for the runner to continue the run, but they might be overplaying it's importance a tad bit.

A random thought, but a 3 rez 0 strength Barrier with a single ETR sub with the requirement "The Runner cannot use programs that only has the Icebreaker and Fracter subtypes to break subroutines on this ice." is hilariously overpowered.

I predict there's going to be a card that lets you place credits onto a face up card/asset or move them around, due to the 6 credits on C. I. Fund requirement. There's no way it's just a "less money in my pool to weaken the runner" thing. Or perhaps a reverse Sandburg is incoming?

>>48450501
>Yeah, was just a joke

Was likely, but better to make sure around here.

>>48449997
>Makes me wonder how they managed to avoid this with Gordian Blade

Other Decoder options are situationally better, and their constraint is manageable enough. Compare the difference in set up constraint going from Gordian Blade to Reflector + stealth support with the one going from Corroder to Blackat+ stealth support. Hell, look at Passport's success compared to other central only breakers. And that's one thing too: every faction has something card or combination of cards that is considered "good enough", though not perfect, in faction for other breakers. Not so much for fracters (closest we have was Lady - though now MWL-ed, and Inti+ AI in shaper).

I don't think the MWL could really deal with Corroder, agree with >>48450501 on that point.

I'm far from convinced this is something that can be addressed by ICE, though. Not ICE alone at least. We already had situations where ICE selection made Corroder a rather poor choice (with my example up there, remember when double Eli on R&D was all the rage? That's a six credits difference *per run* in in favor of Morningstar), and still it didn't make people care enough to play alternatives.

The hard thing is for designer to offer other factions Fracters that have significant limit to maintain fraction balance, yet still manage to hit a set up/breaking efficiency plateau that makes them desirable.

And that's a tough nut to crack.

>>48451136
>Maybe there's a perception that ETR is a strong subroutine?

I don't know about strong, but if you plan on scoring, it's a *vital* subroutine.

>>48451086

I tend to agree with him - though I don't know to which extent, I play a lot of kill decks, and my win ratio with those went *up* when Faust became all the rage.

>>48451086
Yeah, that rubbed a lot of people, myself included, the wrong way

I see sort of what he was getting at, but saying that Faust is good because of the threat of being killed when you use it kind of loses its impact when anarchs have I've Had Worse for draw and protection, great draw and aren't spending any money - he conveniently forgets that Weyland needs a load of cash to make their kill.

Doesn't help that he's always smug as fuck in interviews

>>48451300
Still incredibly better than Lukas though. At least Damon gets shit done while Lukas was like "I don't see any problems"

>>48450501
Hey, this doesn't seem like that bad of a card. What if it read CI Fund
CI Fund: 6 rez, 2 trash. At the start of your turn, gain 2 credits.

That would be a card worth considering, but not really playable on its own since you're out 4 credits if the runner gets it the turn after you rez, plus its really cheap to trash. Instead its worded such that you never lose more than 2 credits and don't need to pay in all at once, which makes it pretty good for a secondary glacier server. Not quite an adonis campaign, but worth considering, especially in faction.

Of course campaign style cards have gotten support, mostly from breaker bay grid, while CI fund style cards have not. Moving credits around would be worth considering, as would an upgrade with recurring credits for paid abilities.

In fact, Weyland has the most cards with credit costing paid abilities [HB: Panic Button and Corporate Troubleshooter, Jinteki: Georgia Emelyov and Zaibatsu Loyalty, NBN: Early Premiere, Weyland: MCC, Executive Boot Camp, Zealous Judge, Sealed Vault, and CI Fund] and three of those cards are pretty good on their own. So don't count out CI Fund until we've seen if they support it. Something like
Simon Emelyov: 3 rez, 2 trash
2 recurring: Use these for paid abilities on cards in or protecting this server.
2: Move Simon to another server.
Would go a long way to supporting CI fund if you were playing even one of the other paid ability cards. Plus Georgia and Corporate Troubleshooter are both reasonable options for a Weyland.

>>48451636
I think you're right in that it's playable in a second glacier server, especially if it's daunting enough that the runner might not bother running it. The only problem might be PolOp, but Crisium on HQ can solve that. Or atleast delay the Runner while the Corp picks up on the tell.

>>48451636
There's just something about it - the 0 cost, 1 inf, 2 trash - it's telling me there's something that we're missing, probably because we don't know the other cards in the pack that interact with it, other than Beth Kilrain-Chang

The fact that it has to sit around for a turn is a bit of a bummer though

A way to pay for card abilities (a la omni drive I guess) would be a pretty cool sysop ability (also nice with Tsurugi, or something else like it that the corp "turns on")

I would like something to protect (or get revenge for the trashing of) all these cheap assets though - something that represents everyone being on high alert, so you get a Hostile Infrastructure with tags instead of net, or events that can be played only if the runner has trashed stuff last turn

>>48451636
>Not quite an adonis campaign

*Far* from it even. Adonis pays you every turn. This only pays when you cash in. That's a very significant difference.

My main take on the card for now is this: it hints - and we've seen some runner cards going that way though not enough in my opinion - at the game offering the runner options that makes the corp sitting on too much cash a significant liability.

Sandburg is a thing, sure, but when your Sandburg gets trashed and your money fund powers the runner more than it does you, what do you do until you've pulled the next Sandburg? You either burn through cash installing/rezzing things - but then it makes getting the next Sandburg harder to pull - or you put it on the fund, where's it's not fueling the runner and it grows so that the next Sandburg becomes even worse.

The fund is actually a way to temporarily get rid of liquidity. But then the tempo on that card is really weird.

As much as want it to happen, as I hope it will, I'm not seeing the corp playing in low econ range ever becoming a significant strategy. Would love to be proven wrong.

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>>48451931
>I'm not seeing the corp playing in low econ range ever becoming a significant strategy
I'm actually reminded of a custom card from a good while ago someone made that I liked enough to mock up in GRNDL - pic related would certainly encourage CI fund/Sealed Vault plays.

Given that the cycle has Titan going through a major crash, a bailout themed card isn't the wildest thing in the world

Though there's still a problem in that you can't move money across whenever, and it costs 2 credits and the use of the fund if you want the money back

>>48451931

Of course, even on that getting rid of liquidity front, I think it's going to suffer from the Sealed Vault +Product Recall comparison.

But that's what I see in the card so far anyway.

>>48451931
If any corp is going to be able to play in low econ, its Weyland. They have viable sources of recurring credits, tools that benefit from pre rezzing ice, ice that discounts itself, credit recovery operations with low to no thresholds, agendas which recoup their cost, and the ability to improve their ice for minor (credit) costs.

>>48452048
>If any corp is going to be able to play in low econ, its Weyland

Definitely.

That's something a lot us I think have been experimenting with since at least BWBI. The issue is that so far there hasn't really been anything that makes being able to do so that much more desirable given the associated constraints. Sure, you can do it, but just striving for being rich is much easier, and in the end better.

The best it's offered us till now is better ways to get around anti-econ runner strategies. Hasn't been enough.

But I'm really liking the idea of this being a thing that works decently well, and is desirable enough. Anything that expands the game as it it's being played is good as ar as I'm concerned.

So, anyone with experience playing against Hayley-Replicator decks? Any thoughts on how to build a glacier resistant to...well, that ICE-ignoring nonsense?

>>48452258

Targeted Marketing -> Spy Camera looks like loads of fun, but finding what to do with the money, even if you do get it, is the real issue, isn't it?

NBN seems to have all the toys against that deck. Tagging + Closed Account/The all seeing I, if well time can wreck it.

Don't have enough experience against that deck (barely two games, and one with the GRNDL rush posted in this thread, which amounts to very little valid experience).

>>48452387
Caprice + Crisium Grid (to avoid the Political Operative), maybe? I'm not optimistic about that, and it's bad news for HB Glacier.

(And I love me some HB Glacier.)

>>48452492

I don't think this would work, biggest strength of the deck seems to me the amount of cash it can pull once set up.

Glacier credit denial isn't going to be enough... maybe with click denial added to the mix?
One thing the GRNDL matchup definitely showed me: you have a small window to outrush the deck. In my case it all became RNG trial and who gets the right cards first (game ended by turn 5), but that's definitely a weakness to exploit I think.

>>48452258
Most of the money comes from Technical Writer I think, since the worst part of it is usually the multi-install in a single turn, with maybe other contributions from stuff like Tech Trader, Daily Casts, etc. Disrupting the Runner is obviously the plan, though I haven't a clue how, and the most effective ones - Corporate Town and Ibrahim Salem (atleast in my mind) - requires an agenda forfeit and needs to be protected, and even then the effect is temporary due to LARLA.

>>48452258
Navi-Mumbai Grid is useful tech, since they can't clone chip or spy camera for sharpshooter or extra credits. Marcus Batty still does work, he skips the Polop window. A well timed chronos project can wreck her as well.

Navi and Batty aren't permanent solutions however, they will work once so if you got 2 agendas out before she's set up, you're good.

Potential Unleashed could have a good matchup as well, you'll just run her out of cards and play shell game to ignore the credit piles.

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>>48452258
How does it ignore ice?
Or is this just the loadsamoney?

>>48454115
Sharpshooter + Panchatantra

>>48454231
How does it get around the once per turn?

>>48454585
It doesn't. Not really. It does have regular breakers, but that combo is incredibly cheap and applies really heavy pressure early game, and the deck has amazing late game econ IIRC.

Anyone have any idea how to deal with Breaking News -> EoI besides straight up cheating and knowing what every card the corp installs is without using clicks?

>Run every remote - get ambushed or too poor to keep it up due to NBNs cheap, taxing ICE > Breaking News EoI

>Try to pressure centrals > poor even faster > BN EoI

>Try to R&D lock > Midseasons EoI

Good riddance Lukas, you will not be missed.

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>>48459808
His name is Thomas Haas, but he tells you just to call him "The Source", because he wants a name with a "The" in it.
He may need to be brought in a "hostage" situation, so it's less obvious he's working with you

Then you get a film critic - despite the thematic lameness of this woman, she works just fine.

The last part of this combo is a guy in City Hall - call them up, and you'll be tag-free for long enough

Last, slottheclot.

Incidentally, what's making you poor on the centrals?

If you're THAT bad at spotting ambushes, call the Muertos in for some drive-bys

>>48459808
The hard counter would be to rush out anti-tag (NACH, 2+ Decoy, Qianju predictions, Jesminder + Forger). You could also be cheeky and just take it for Obelus.

You can also slow down scoring like >>48459910 said. On a side note, I was under the impression that the woman in the art was "The Source", since she's pulling information from a naive Thomas.

The real weakness of the combo is the telegraph. Either they're sitting on a 2-counter Breaking News (which you can expose or hit safely) or they absolutely won't be able to take advantage of those tags. Losing 1-2 points off EoI isn't necessarily game-losing, especially if it's happening early like you're describing.

You can also just avoid scoring until you're set up enough to scope out and run on News. They can't EoI if you have no agendas.

>>48459808
I have that weird feeling that this salt may have been partially caused by my beautiful beautiful Haarpsichord Exchange of Information deck...

>>48460040

On top of things already told:

a) Film Critic prevents Midseason, Argus, Punitive, and a load other nasty on-steal effects. Allows you to postpone scoring though getting tagged might mean the agenda ends up back in Archives..

b) Crazy proposition, I'll get crucified for even daring to utter this, but play expose if you actually do feel the need for it.

Is it Reina's time to shine again?

Also Frame Job is actually really nice tech against EoI and ASI

reina.js

Reina Roja: Freedom Fighter

Event (16)
3x Dirty Laundry
2x Déjà Vu
3x I've Had Worse
3x Inject
1x Queen's Gambit
3x Sure Gamble
1x Vamp

Hardware (5)
2x Clone Chip ●●●●
1x Plascrete Carapace
2x Vigil

Resource (8)
3x Daily Casts
1x Kati Jones
1x Scrubber
1x Symmetrical Visage
2x The Turning Wheel ●●

Icebreaker (4)
1x Corroder
2x Eater
1x Mimic

Program (13)
3x Crescentus ●●●
1x D4v1d
2x Datasucker
1x Imp
3x Lamprey
1x Medium
2x Parasite

9 influence spent (max 15-5=10, available 1)
46 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Liberated Mind

Deck built on https://netrunnerdb.com.

>>48461143

Oh, also: Artist Colony to sacrifice the agenda before it's stolen (a.k.a "the spite move").

Turntable to swap things back.

If the tag risk is what makes the ICE taxing, Dorm Computer, and other Ctim tag prevention solutions.

Anti econ + Destruction to keep the server defenses manageable.

There's plenty of ways to try and address the problem really, depending on who and how you play.

>>48461219

What do you mean "again"?

With Cortez out of prison and the new bite-size tax cards in Mumbad and Flashpoint, I have a feeling there's some disgusting econ-pressure deck coming for her.

Swan song before rotation hits.

>>48461309
Rotation makes me sad, I don't want to see my favourites leave :'(

>>48461579

I honestly don't care, I don't play in tournament, they'll never leave for me.

I'm more afraid about further balkanization of the local community.

>>48461623
The plan for my meta is to basically only play "Legacy" Netrunner.

When the proposed cardpool is bigger than the whole pool currently its sort of irrelevant, would have given it a go if it was limited to 2 cycles + big boxes / Core

>>48461665

The problem is going to be what happens to the game. Some people already stopped updating their card pool after D&D. Others will once rotation hits. And how do we make those people still play together in a manageable way?

Already bothered people about it in previous thread, but we have for now locally what is a first to me. Usually, some people get bored with a game and/or its local community, and move to greener pastures. The game slowly centers itself on the hardcore competitive community, until it's the only one left as more and more people leave.

But here so far the *game* has barely lost players. It's just that they don't play together anymore. Group forked into several mini-groups separated by card-pool and play profile, and each organize their small game nights instead of all playing together in the local club.

We still talk about the game a lot at the club .... but several people only come to play other games. Very weird, though fascinating (and to me worrying) development.

>>48462180
New player here. How old is Jinteki.net?
I wouldn't have even given Netrunner the time of day if it didn't have such a smooth online client.

>>48462263
Used to be a lot worse, only really became usable this year or so

>>48462180
Is it due to the players not buying new cards, or did they get sick of the recent meta? If it's the former, you could incentivize getting new cards by having a data pack exchange thingy, or allow proxies during particular game nights. You can even have restricted cycles games to make the card pool smaller.

If it's the latter however, then there might not be much that can be done. Atleast they haven't given Netrunner up completely, so they might come back once a new meta pops up.

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>>48460040
>On a side note, I was under the impression that the woman in the art was "The Source", since she's pulling information from a naive Thomas.
She's thought to be Ele "Smoke" Scovak, a runner we've seen/heard in flavour but who's not gotten an ID

Thomas isn't naive though, far from it - he plays both sides and wastes a lot of everyone's time (notably, you don't make a profit is you advance him normally as an asset, you just break even - he's only good for baiting the runner) - you can see in Hostage he's not got handcuffs or anything, while in the board game he has ties to Human First as well as HB

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>>48464128
>Ele "Smoke" Scovak
She's pretty notorious

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>>48464137
And mentioned in the intriguingly long LLDS Regulator flavour text

>Originally not very popular, the regulator was overlooked by those who used energy sinks to protect their rig. But it quickly found an audience once Smoke casted a run on a Blue Sun server, using it to keep her rig online while repeatedly diverting energy spikes in excess of 50,000 volts.

She certainly loves to cast her runs

Smoke is definitely getting an ID this cycle, because we just got her console.

Anyone got any l-lewds?

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>>48465304
Curiously, I have never seen any for Netrunner, though not for lack of dedicated fans or beautiful characters.

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>>48465315
Neither have I, though I think there's some lewd "andy"'s - i.e. any vaguely cyberpunk blonde in a dress

Pic related is probably the lewdest official art I can think of

>>48465477
Andy isn't blonde, m8.

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>>48465820
Yeah, my bad, more light brown than dark blonde, though not by all that much.

Except in Medical Research Fundraiser.

Is it finally Tallie Perrault's time to shine? There are so many Grey and Black Ops going on...

>>48465864
Just hair dye things.

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>>48466070
To be fair, she is sitting right next to Hiro, it's understandable to want a disguise, even if he knows its you

>>48465903
Maybe, depends how lethal the ops are - might need WNP to stop tallie biting it after the first op though

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>>48465297
Point

>>48466748
Everyone is hype for Smoke here.
Can you imagine the disappointment when they get Martha Smith, amateur magician?

>>48467236

>Inb4 no new Shaper because of Old Man Conspiracy Theorist
>Just as Planned.

If Smoke isn't the new Shaper, there's going to be genuine outrage from the bait and switch. Probably some castle burning too...

>>48463450

It's a mix of both I think. And we already buy copies of each cycle for the club, kids that can't afford to buy new cards (whether now or not at all) can just borrow from the pool.

Organizing mini-events is something I really want to do more often. But finding ideas that will be cool for everyone involved isn't easy (I have to thank you /nrg people incidentally, I've pilfered ideas from the threads).

>>48466137

I love Tallie and I certainly can't wait to slot her again. Given her requirement, I don't know that she'll ever be popular, but it's such a cool card.

And in a slow-poke moment, I just realized the Casting Call/Film Critic connection.

>>48467516
>Organizing mini-events is something I really want to do more often.
Have you tried cube drafting?

>>48467516
Connection?

Or just that she prevents it firing, in one of the few Critic interactions that actually makes thematic sense?

>>48467772

The later, yeah.

>>48467737

Would do those more often if I could offload part the work.

It's a fun way to play the game for sure, having to make do with what you have on hands.

I like how Mirror is basically the Shaper Desperado.

>>48468011

That's a decent way to put it I guess.

Less powerful than straight up getting paid to run, you need the support cards, the specialized build. And then of course, only triggers off R&D too. But more MU to compensate.

Overall, better balanced.

>>48466748

Dai V looks like a sentai reference, but I'm missing something.

>>48468656
Yeah, everyone reckons it's referencing something, but no-one's quite sure what.

Or if that V is a 5

>>48374830
AWESOME! Thank you.

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Have any of you ever used any of the big execs?

I think the only one I've seen used is Hiro in Bioethics IG to help kill the runner, helped by the increased trash cost

>>48470943

I've played or seen played everyone but The Board so far, I think. Or if it happened I don't remember it.

>>48470943
I've used Haas in a Jeeves/Toybox deck, and I've flirted with Victoria in a Bioroid/Login Protocol build.

>>48470943
>>48471177

I thought The Board could be interesting in IG with shikyu.

No one wins ever

>>48471258
>I've flirted with Victoria
Whoa nice.

>>48471258

Friend of mine played that Jenkins/Voting Machine Initiative/EKP build.

Not reliable enough, but when it hits you in full force, it's extremely oppressive.

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>>48471314

>>48471305
That sounds hilarious.
Though I have heard of a deck that chucks a load of one pointers into archives and rezzes the board right before they get stolen to kill the runner with PE/Argus/Punitive

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>>48471671

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>>48471690
>REEEs internally that we don't have Hiro's full art

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>>48471671
>facial tatoos
>no socks, no shoes, just legs for days
>red dreads
>simple attire
>executive

>>48471305

And then the runner plays one of those Archive Interface/Frame Job/Data Dealer etc build...

Awkward passive aggressive love story. I meant game.

>>48471805
I actually run 1x Data Dealer in my criminal deck. It has won me a couple games.

>>48471734
>that look in her eyes
>le german efficiency face

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>>48471801
The tats and dreads I think are just fashion, but the clothes and shoelessness are an important part of the look she needs to maintain

When asked about favourite characters, along with Nero and Reina, Stone had this to say about Victoria:
>I love the idea that Victoria rose from a small local news program to the heights of running NBN. I love that she is engaged in an internal power struggle with the president of the board, and she runs the multi-planet conglomerate with such style and grace that no one knows that one slip could mean the death of her career... and—because this is Android—it could potentially mean her literal death.

She needs to look like she handles everything effortlessly, because she's basically on a tightrope, and she can be cut

>>48472158
>The tats and dreads I think are just fashion
Still looks damn good on her.

Is there a way to filter by subroutine count in the db? I'm looking for ICE with 3+ subs, but I don't see a way of doing it.

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>>48472321
Sadly not, as far as I know

>>48472232
That it does - and it probably looks even better in-universe, given how NBN dominates in advertising, in Hollywood and, if you take Harischandra's ID effect as them using their full immersion recstudio technology to read the runner's mind when snapshot of/connection to the runner's brain in full sim on the net, in leveraging what they can read from someone jacked in.

The fact that she canonically used to be a model and TV host doesn't hurt either - nor does the "rejuve" treatment is available in the setting (Jack Weyland's had it) - I'd bet she's a fair bit older than she looks

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>>48472756
>I'd bet she's a fair bit older than she looks
Just the way I like them.

Now I really, really, really want to work on a The Board, Government Takeover +1pointers deck.

I'm going to lose so hard, but hopefully it will be worth it.

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>>48474052
>Now I really, really, really want to work on a The Board, Government Takeover +1pointers deck.
I actually have something similar. Hostile Takeover and Profiteering net me stupid amounts of credits no matter what happens. Either I get +7/+15 for scoring or the runner is setting up a monster Stock Buyback for me, but most of the time it's both since they can't steal it all.
And all those credits just set up Sandburg so my servers are protected by multiple 10+ strength Spiderwebs and Tour Guides.

>>48474189

Shiny!

At least I will lose with style.

Hmmm... a breaker suite that is pretty efficient but gets less and less so the more ICE there is in a server?

Or the contrary? A breaker suite that is cheap to install, but not much for efficiency, but gets better and better the more ICE installed?

Would that be interesting/fit a worthwhile niche for the game?

>>48475955

The first category is pretty much the stealth breakers (particularly vs stacked sentries). The second is new I guess

>>48476144
>The first category is pretty much the stealth breakers

I was more thinking from a purely economical standpoint, but yeah, definitely fits a similar spot.

>>48475955
Let's see, that would be pretty easy to do. Split it across faction, maybe like dog breakers so shaper gets the fracter etc, but the basic template would be

X is the number of ice protecting this server.
For the first
X credits: +X Strength
X credits: Break X Subroutines

For the second
2 credits: +X strength
2 credits: Break X subroutines

The first may work better as an AI, though keep it out of Anarch, ice destruction would combo too hard.

>>48476244

Thinking about it, I like the second one. With proper base strength and install cost it could make for an interesting Crim breaker... the less ICE there is, the more the corp has to fear bypass shenanigans, but the more ICE there is, the more efficiently the runner breaks them.

>>48476345
Alright then, that kind of makes sense. Let's say, 3 influence, all get 2 base strength, 3 4 and 5 install for killer, fracter, decoder? They're big rig criminal breakers, but you have all those nice criminal tools to get through the early game. Not sure on the exact stats, but you're right that criminal works best on that front.

For the first, I think it could work in Adam. That or neutral with influence, but it needs something to keep Anarchs away.

>>48476244
Maybe fix the first one at X credits + 2 str/break 2 subs. I was going to say +1, break 1, but that would make it not worth it for any 2 ice server, which is pretty common.

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We all have our ideas of who best girl is (hint: it's not Mills, fuck off yanderefags), but who is best boy?

pic maybe related

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>>48481853
Don't forget Laramy Fisk, Thomas Haas and Null.

>tfw no qt3.14 gay runner

>>48481909
>spoiler
It's not like they have canon sexual orientations written anywhere.

>>48481853
Liz strikes me more as a tsun or kuu, being the "feels unapproachable overachiever" type, though yan doesn't seem impossible.

As for best boy, Exile, no questions asked.

>>48481920
Actually, there is for Laramy. See >>48433477
>... reports of the women he chooses to woo ...

Plus, seeing how Thomas Haas is looking at Smoke on The Source, I don't think he's gay.

>>48481976
>Applying anime standards to western card game
baka desu senpai

>>48482017
Isn't Thomas Haas cyborgsexual? Although I remember he does it only to piss off his mother, but still.

>>48482029
But anime is DEEEEEP.

I kid, it's true that the characters in most western works don't usually fit completely into the typical anime archetypes.

>>48482063
Anyhow, Mills is definitely crazy in a bad way and therefore forfeits any sort chance at best girl status.