MTG Modern General

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The overall and paper Modern Metagame.
(1 month old).

Decklists:
>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
>http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

Direct link to the spreadsheet:
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml

Modern deck primers link:
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern

• Ancient Den
• Birthing Pod
• Blazing Shoal
• Bloodbraid Elf
• Chrome Mox
• Cloudpost
• Dark Depths
• Deathrite Shaman
• Dig Through Time
• Dread Return
• Eye of Ugin
• Glimpse of Nature
• Great Furnace
• Green Sun's Zenith
• Hypergenesis
• Jace, the Mind Sculptor
• Mental Misstep
• Ponder
• Preordain
• Punishing Fire
• Rite of Flame
• Seat of the Synod
• Second Sunrise
• Seething Song
• Sensei's Divining Top
• Skullclamp
• Splinter Twin
• Stoneforge Mystic
• Summer Bloom
• Treasure Cruise
• Tree of Tales
• Umezawa's Jitte
• Vault of Whispers

You can unban up to three. Which do you choose?

>>48337727
Right now? I don't think the format needs anything to change. In the future, maybe BBE.

>>48337727
Stoneforge Mystic and maybe BBE.

>>48337727
I would unban

>Splinter Twin

It wasn't broken and all the reasons wotc listed as reasons to ban it were completely pulled out of their ass

>Stoneforge Mystic

Control should be able to exist and SfM would help

>rite of flame

Storm is shit and I don't think it'll push it into tier 1

>>48337677
Obviously nothing will be banned right now. I doubt anything will be unbanned either, but I hope Stoneforge Mystic gets unbanned just my AEther Vials spike to FoW-level ridiculousness.

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NO CHANGES TO ANY FORMAT, CONFIRMED

>>48337677
>>48333531
Alright, here's the list:

Creatures: (23)
>Mausoleum Wanderer x4
>Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit x3
>Bloodghast x2
>Rattlechains x3
>Phantasmal Image x4
>Geist of Saint Traft x2
>Drogskol Captain x4
>Spell Queller x3

Artifacts: (4)
>Aether Vial x4

Sorceries: (4)
>Lingering Souls x4

Instants: (4)
>Path to Exile x4

I'm also considering Bygone Bishop since all creatures are cmc 3 or less and the deck's severely lacking card draw. Plus, using vials means you don't have to worry much about leaving the mana open to cast the creature after crackin the clue.

You could say its too slow, but cantriping off every creature to keep your hand fueled is very important for a tempo deck that wants to have cards in hand as answers or bluffs. Its solid card advantage turn after turn in a deck that is played during your opponents' turn, so its great to be able to draw a card or two if you don't have any answers or nothing in particular to answer to.

>>48337981
Nice.

>>48338220
No sideboard? How do you expect anyone to play with this deck?

>>48338346
I omitted in because I was in a rush to post before the ban announcement, since I expected ban discussion would clog up the thread. Guess that ain't happening no mo'.

Still, spirits have such a wide array of sideboard options that anything other than one tailored to your particular meta needs would be a mistake plain and simple. Still, here are a few standouts:

>Kataki, War's Wage
>Eidolon of Rhetoric
>Spirit of the Labyrinth
>Promise of Bunrei
>Anguished Unmaking

The list goes on. Really, there are quite a few very technical cards that fit into the tribal theme and that's without getting into traditional esper sideboard options.

>>48337727
Ponder, stoneforge, Deathrite.

Fight me.

I can only pick one deck to play locally, with a budget of 500.

Living End, RG Breach, Ad Nauseum, or Eldrazi Tron.

Which one will I get the most fun out of for the longest amount of time on paper?

Dead format dead thread no one plays this card game unless it's for free online.

>>48337840
>Control should be able to exist and SfM would help

Is this bizarro land or does Jeskai Harbinger not exist in your area?

>>48338835
Ad Nauseam is the most viable and fun if you're into solitaire, which frankly Modern is all about (goldfish as fast as you can and/or draw your sideboard). Living End folds to any countermagic and yard hate, Eldrazi Tron is straight up worse than regular RG, Breach is worse Titanshift/RG Valakut.

BANLIST UPDATE WHEN?!?!?!

>>48338835
>>48339243
Ad Nauseam isn't even fun solitaire though, if you're gonna play a deck that wanks off at least pick one that takes thought

Of those 4 I'd go Eldrazi Tron cuz the other 3 are linear as hell, most of your games are going to be the same

But if you want to win, AN is the best there

>>48337727

I would ban anything pre-10th edition

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>>48339441

THIS

>Ban all cards that only exist with a while border
>Unban EVERYTHING else

That's it, Modern saved.

>>48339477

>while

white* kek

>>48337727
Jitte, Preordain, and Deathrite

>>48337840

>Splinter Twin
A card that made 90% of non-tier 1 decks lose consistably at turn 4

I really hope you see some reasons for banning that card

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Have you accepted your new Queen and Saviour of the format yet, /tg/?

I'm assuming you were all smart enough to immediately get your playset at the prerelease

>>48339548

So basically she's the new Daenerys/SJW Communist leader?

>>48339548

No because I prefer to play interactive midrange decks rather than "interactive" fedora.dec.

>>48339548
>Playing my UBr Tezzerator list
>They tap out for T4 Nahrir
>Trinket Mage for a Pithing Needle and play it
>Slam Ensnaring Bridge
>Grind them out with EE and Academy Ruins
>Tezz ult them out
B E S T P L A N E S W A L K E R

>>48338835
Ad Nauseam is the best deck there, but it's also boring, just like Living End and Breach, you just hope you pull off your gimmick before the other person does.

Eldrazi Tron isn't the best, but it isn't the worst either, and it takes a little more thought than a brainless Ad Nauseam combo.

You honestly use 2% of the Ad Nauseam deck, the rest is just filter filler garbage. It's hideously idiotic to play.

>>48339729
>>48339739
>>48339573
You know a new deck is good when people hate on it

>>48339389
>that takes thought
No deck in Modern takes any thought when compared to say Shardless, DDFT, Miracles and Vintage Mentor. Picking a more complex deck that doesn't have any additional edge in any matchup just for scoring some bragging rights about "how you have to think" is about as retarded as you can get.
>Any Tron variant
>Not the most linear deck this side of Burn

>>48339801
That's some shit inference you got there, senpai.

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>>48337677
>>48337981
Great, I love Modern at the moment.

>>48339477
I would just settle for banning all white border only cards. Not sure if reprints are fine to make them legal, but we're all better off without 8ED and 9ED.

>>48339850
Compared to Ad Naus, Eldrazitron takes massive amounts of brain power.

I've never played a deck as boring as Ad Naus. You start to doubt everything because you spent money on filter stupidity to get out your one win con. It's just not fun.

At least playing RG Breach gives you some staples in the manabase and doesn't roll over to any one particular deck.

>>48339850
He's trying to pick a deck to get the most fun out of for a long period of time, I'm not telling him to pick a more complex deck for fucking bragging rights, I'm doing it so he doesn't lose interest in whatever he sinks his cash into
And who the fuck comes into a Modern thread and compares Modern decks to Legacy and Vintage decks?
No shit they're more complicated, but he's asking for a Modern deck in a Modern general

why the hate for white bordered cards? I run them all the time in my decks.

>>48340036
It's mostly about some of the super-dedicated hatecards of that time, mostly Blood Moon, Choke and Boil. Several pros have said they do not fit the "spirit" of modern magic

Personally I don't really mind them nor would I mind if they'd ban them

>>48340036

It makes autists (like 90% of the playerbase) mad. Just mix some white and black bordered lands.

>>48340080
And Ensnaring Bridge
Never forget Bridge

>>48339992
I think they should actually start making borders different colors other than black, maybe to reflect what realm they are from for storyline purposes or what expansion cycle they are from

>>48338835
Red green breach is probably the best choice because you can add to it over time to make it a scapeshift deck. Eldrazi tron wouldnt be bad either, and you could upgrade it to mono blue tron if you want a skill intensive deck.

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>>48340142

I'd like this if the lore wasn't pure shit, and now with the gatewatch it's only going to get worse unless they pull off an Evangelion ending or some shit that catches everyone off guard

>>48337727
Second Sunrise because I want to see eggs become a deck again.

Preordain because storm needs a buff and other combo decks could use better cantrip.

Summer Bloom because Amulet Bloom isn't consistent enough to deserve a ban.

>>48340008
Ad Nauseam is a harder deck to play than it looks. You need to know how to play around hate, how to scry correctly, the large number of interactions between cards in your deck, and how to not lose to your own spoils of the vault.

>>48338835
RG Breach has a good manabase that will last you in Modern.

Ad Nauseam will get you wins but it is a combo deck, not a lot of interaction or swinging (I.E. none at all)

Eldrazitron isn't great but there are a lot of Tron variants (not that tron manabase is expensive at all).

All are good choices but I'd personally go for RG Breach since my meta is 80% tron.

>>48340249
I'd really love storm to be a deck again. I always love the puzzle combo decks

Unbanning Seething Song or Rite of Flame would just enable more "lol breach you" memery though. Preordain would also buff Nahiri further and I don't want to see snap get banned

>>48337727
Punishing Fire, Preordain ,BBE

how does Phyrexian Unlife not kill you in Ad Nauseam?

>>48340528
Life loss =! damage

>>48340542

>=!

=/= only correct answer

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>>48340542

>Small tournament in my town
>First time playing against good people, nervous as fuck
>Playing Jeskai control
>Buff the shit out my stitchers
>Swing for like 40
>Opponent playing Ad Nauseam casts Angel's Grace
>Oh shit
>Concede
>Later realize I would've left him at 1 life still and could have killed him with a bolt next turn

>>48340613
Usually if your force them to cast angel's grace in combat to survive you are winning as they either have to combo off immediately after or find a replacement combo piece next turn which they usually dont

>>48339520
Combo is SUPPOSED to wreck aggro(which is pretty much all t2+ decks). I hope you can see what's happened since it's ban. Combo is practically non existent, and the meta is over 60% aggro.

>>48340798
Splinter twin wasn't much of a combo deck desu. It was basically ur control with an oops I win spell.

>>48340613
memories of first big events are always painful

>first GP
>playing merfolk
>put a die on my deck to not forget the vial trigger
>opponent passes
>pick up my die
>draw the card
>put the die back on top
>vial still at zero, can't even pretend I intended to do that
>ends up costing me the game

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>>48340848

I once fucked up an eggs match 15 minutes into the combo

still haunts me

>>48339548
/tg/ told me it was bad, still, I knew it was very good. But I didn't get any because I just don't have the molah.

The only thing I regret is not making profit when I knew I could, because I wasn't about to shell out for Snapcasters and etc.

On another news, I like this picture. Makes her look wrathful and evil, exactly how she is.

>>48341205
I love Nahiri as a character. She's the prettiest Hitler ever

>>48337727
Blazing shoal, bloodbraid elf, and deathrite shaman. Guess which decks I play.

>In roughly one hour, the banlist update will be released

d-did I miss it?

>>48341306
no changes for any format

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>>48341357

>>48337677
Esper control is good but it's weak to burn and aggro, so it does not have a good match up against 30% of tier 1 decks. Also it has to compete against jeskai Nahiri, that has better match ups against tier 1 decks. Overall tron nerf favored control but we need either counterspell or top unban, or sfm unban

>>48341240
Wait 'till creative pulls a Nissa on us.

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>>48341357
If they don't have anything to ban, they should at least unban something, just for the sake of it. Such dissappointment much rage wow

>>48339943
Kamigawa had some fucking nice art.

>>48339992
>I hate blood moon and tron
Grow up some balls kiddo

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>>48341536
Damn Right, all hail azami's familiar

Is there any reason shouldn't just buy my first Modern deck on MTGO?

Tons of games, whenever I want, the ability to pay for more decks with the tickets you earn, and I don't have to smell the guy across from me.

Anyone here strictly online? I would love real cards but I work nights and don't see myself able to do many TCG nights. I also have a family.

What is a good cheap deck ONLINE that can get me hella wins on the cheap?

Dredge?

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>>48337677
Hey y'all,

Criticism for my shit brew? Not looking for tier 1, but I'd like to win a few matches. Suggestions? Sideboard advise to give me some better matchups? I just really want to believe in defenders.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-new-fortress-in-town/

>>48341910
dealing with arrogant wankers is part of the price of MTG, MTGO ignores that price and its disgusting

>>48337677
Give me your cockatrice ID, whiteboy. I'll show you the power of esper draw-go

>>48342239
post list please

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>>48337677
Feedback on my budget dragonauts list? I'd like to be able to afford something fun, and being a college student, i don't have too much dosh.

The only three cards I really want to keep no matter what are chandra, wee dragonauts, and izzet charm. Feel free to rip me a new asshole if the deck is absolute shit, but keep in mind that I just wanna use this for kitchen table magic and casual FNM.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/some-kind-of-ru-tempo/

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Who's your favorite modern-playable planeswalker, /tg/?

Mine's Liliana of The Veil. She's cute. CUTE.

What about you?

>>48341910
I play pretty much just MTGO at this point having sold most of my paper collection, and yeah I'd say Dredge is a good bet.

Though, you are more likely to run into hate than in a local metagame since it's a relatively popular deck. If you just care about winning; Jerkass Nahiri or Jund are obviously good bets. I don't like Infect as much since everyone is ready for it at all times.

>>48342279
It's wafo's list with a non retarded manabase and 2x spellsnare, cba to post it.

>>48341910
I only play online, have Grixis Delver, RG Breach, and UWb Polytokens for fun

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>>48342316
Planeswalkers who lend themselves to one specific strategy will always be more interesting than goodstuff walkers.

>>48339943
I think you should use Darksteel Ravager art instead of the MM one.

>>48342439
how i wish that deck was viable in modern

>>48342407
do you know where he posted it?

>>48342489
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12929&d=275271&f=MO

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>>48342536
holy shit I used to play this
here's the list (got it off here from a guy I think)

>>48342697
I like White Sun's Zenith here

>>48342697
Absolutely autistic
UW control spergs should all die

>>48342239
Make a room labeled "Competitive" and allow spectators. You should get a few spectators.

>>48342697
While it is fundamentally the same deck, that version (with WSZ and all the Spell Snares) is based on a list Wafo played at GP Boston in 2014.

>>48342762
Its both defensive (triple blocks kill basically everything in the format) and offensive , can occasionally take out a nahiri and it's a recurring wincon

>>48342855
spell snare is so good though, might just be my meta though. Goyfs bobs and eidolons errywhere

>>48342867
Wafo running only 1 spellsnare in his current list is a mistake, as is running only 3 colonnades and so much black mana.

>>48343118
maybe he has had a run of bad luck mana wise , it happens occasionally , like wanting to cast esper charm on turn 3 or 4 but no black , not often though

>>48338835
Depends on your meta.

Ad Nauseam if there's a lack of Infect and Jund or an overabundance of Tron or Valakut decks.

RG Breach/Shift if there's more Jund, Jeskai, and Grixis.

Living End if no one else in your meta plays it or Dredge. That way you can dodge hate.

>>48342472
I'm forcing it, viable or not. It's fun and has a ton of lines of play, I haven't got bored yet. I was thinking about jamming 2-3 Wildfire in with all the artifact mana I have and I thought it would be fun, but not sure if 6 mana sorceries are where I want to be in Modern however fun it would be.

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>playing some esper draw-go on cocka
>2-0 against jund
>2-0 against uwr nahiri
>2-0 against living end

>>48343719
Fuck off and go win a GP then.

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>>48342536
>esper counted as UW control

>>48343719
>Cockatrice

>>48342762
Secure the wastes does the same job better because of the lessened white requirement. It lets the card be more flexible, if he has nothing else to do he can always just eot secure for a few tokens and catch up. He's even able to play 2 copies, where white sun is always a 1 of and a dead card when you aren't winning the game.

>>48340203

What do you dislike about the current lore?

Ive played a lot of esper centrol, various builds. Dont go this way, its a path of suffering.

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How do you feel about stone forge unban with pic related running around?

>>48344545
I feel as though Mardu decks would just run that and Stoneforge.

>>48344224
that last point isn't true as you can just cast it for 1 and trade with a dude which means it isn't dead , so if you're behind it can be a 1 for 1. Plus it can blowout alpha strikes to the point of basically being a one sided board wipe.

I'm not saying secure is bad, just that I feel white suns is versatile enough is every situation i've needed it in , plus its a faster clock and leftover minions are better and the p/t mana ratio is much better when you cast it

>>48343419
How much would Baleful Strix shake up Modern? It would trade with Goyfs and Delvers while cantripping which is pretty sweet.

>>48344589
Since when does a 4 mana WWW 2/2 with flash help you win the game in modern? It trades with snapcaster mage and a bob he already untapped with. It doesn't blowout alpha strikes, if you're able to pay enough mana for it to matter in combat the game has pushed past turn 6 and you're winning anyway. And at that point you can secure for 5 and have roughly the same board, even better in a lot of situations. WSZ has always been a winmore card that the deck played so it could have a wincon that didn't get killed by ghost quarter, Secure can be that card while also having utility much earlier in the game. It's a superior card in the deck and I believe one of the subtle innovations that is driving wafo-tapa's win streak.

>>48344582

Well yeah but the point is answers to batterskull are common these days so maybe Stoneforge wouldn't be unbalanced in this meta

>>48344720

I would love it because we aren't seeing all that much blue black, but honestly the card is kind of too perfect for modern

Do they ban cards just for being auto includes?

I feel like Drs wasn't oppressive it was just that he goes in every deck

>>48345792
No. They ban cards that make the metagame worse, like Deathrite Shaman during the ALL JUND/AJUNDI days.

>>48340848
not modern but the worst feeling I've ever had in magic was this

>playing legacy dredge
>opponent is burn
>game 3
>open my hand
>7 cards to perfectly set up a T2 kill
>just need to careful study and discard these grave trolls
>draw 2
>double Narcomoeba
>the pit in my stomach was indescribable.

>>48337727
Birthing Pod

Treasure Cruise

Eye of Ugin

Sometimes you just want to see a format burn.

Asking out of curiosity for anyone that played when Lorwyn released:
What the hell was the point of the card Scapeshift within the context of the set 2 years before Valakut was printed?
Did it do anything in any format?

>>48345792
Imho DRS was oppressive as fuck.
He honestly does everything you could ever ask of a 1drop, lil fucker is basically what defines Legacy powerlevel imho.

Strix is of the same vein, albeit a bit more fair, but at the end of the day it's a Visionary with flying and deathtouch. It's still a two mana 2for1, and like Stoneforge you're down a card if you kill it, and you're damned if you don't.

>>48346720
On second thought, Strix is really interesting because of the mana cost. Even something like Coiling Oracle is highly limited by it's cost, and often elves will forgo it in favor of Visionary. Wall of Omens has white covered, Visionary has green; Strix wouldn't really push those other cards out since they vary so much in color. He would be powerful, no doubt, and it would be a nice buff to Sultai, non-delver Grixis and maybe Esper.

>>48346483
Without Valakut it can only shift your manabase, although there's still plenty of land combos (cloudpost, urza lands, thespian stage dark depths, )

>>48339520
>casting twin on turn 4 on curve
>being the mongoloid playing against that player and not having any interactive spells to stop the obvious twin curve

Sorry you are just a moron and deserved to lose

Lot of twin games you had to win through direct damage because your opponent was interacting with your combo

but we wouldn't "interaction" in modern anymore would we?

They should have unbanned twin and pod, make modern great again

>>48347316
Just play jeskai you buttmad twin nigger. The format is fine without your shitty combo.

>>48346460
Oh god, blue eldrazi.

>>48347867
Or you could learn to play around combo. Is it really that fucking hard for people to understand? Jeskai is a completely different deck, and one a lot of old twinfags don't particularly enjoy playing.

>>48337727
top, sunrise, sfm

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With all of the strong four drops in Jund decks, would they have any reason to use a card like this? Or is it too weak for what it does?

@48348120
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Remember to not give the card troll (you)s

>>48348120
This card has no business being black.

So, land destruction is a fun rogue build, but would there be any competetive merit to including cards like Blood Moon, Spreading Seas, and Imprisoned in the Moon in such a deck?

>>48348256
Why not? It is a similar effect to cards like spoils of the vault.

How would Dig Through Time unban work?

>>48348120
>>48348120
If that were real I'd question why I'm not just playing CoCo.

>>48348367
Green does creatures from the deck, for it to be black it would have to be Black tribal (like vampire or zombie), or not restricted to creatures. Spoils of the Vault goes for a specific card, which is in line with Black's many non-specific tutors (Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, etc.). It's also only superficially like Spoils because it lacks the most Black aspects of the card, the self-destruction from paying life and exiling cards. Your construct loses you nothing.

>>48348449
You lose the potential to use scry abilities to your advantage as it puts all the cards on top of your library to the bottom until you find a two cost creature.

I get this weird feeling spirits might become playable.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-07-16-QCm-modern-spirits/

what do you guys think of this? Ignore the land base.

>>48348476
That is the lamest suicide Black I have ever heard of.

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>>48348393
Because this lets you look for more than just six cards and there isn't the chance of it failing.

'That said, would a card like this see play, or is the ability too weak to make it worth using?

>>48348600
Wouldn't this make tokens really strong?
and why should it have protection anyways?

>>48348600
Planeswalkers don't see a ton of play in modern. You have Lilli of the Veil, now nahiri, and tezzeret? Am I missing anybody?

>>48348651
There aren't many viable answers to planeswalkers though. You are also missing Karn and Ugin.

>>48348643
This would be strong for tokens, but it is already a pretty weak deck. It would also be strong for aggro decks and control decks as well. It affects both players equally so I see it being equally effective for both.

>>48348683
Lightning bolt. I don't know Karn and Ugin are hard to answer but they're also hard to cast.

>>48348600
Cursed Totem is already a card, be more creative with your names.

Hey guys I made a thing for fun:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/polytokens-2/

>>48337727
Deathrite, Stoneforge and Jitte.

>>48348651
Karn
Liliana
Flip jace
Flip Liliana
Ugin
Jace aot
Nahiri
Autismo Narset
Chandra pyromaster in some sideboards
Elspeth sun's champion in some sideboards
Elspeth Knight errant

Dark confidant seems to hurt more than it helps, at least in most match ups I've been in. Why would anyone play this self-loss creature?

>>48349657
I refuse to believe someone with enough money will buy dark confidants and post that.
So you played against them. Heres the only thing you need to know, if they win with 3 life or if they win with 15 they still won

>>48341100
You are the reason the deck is banned.

>Playing vs some RG infect brew with Temur Battle Rage and Assault Strobe
>Played a Thopter Foundy and sacced it to chump and buy a turn
>8 Infect
>Trinket Mage for singleton Chalice of the Void
>On 1
>Academy Ruins target Thopter on my upkeep, cast it and now he can't swing in with Inkmoth
>Grind him out with thopters

G2

>Bring in 3 more Chalice, 2 Kommands and a Pyrite Spellbomb
>Keep a hand with Chalice and EE
>Slam T2 Chalice
>Opponent concedes and shows a hand of 3 Groundswells a Might of Old Krosa, a Assault Strobe and a Temur Battle Rage

list for reference, explained my sb choices in description. List right now is quite prone to change, not too happy with the Mox Opals but not sure what to add.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-07-16-ub-tezzerator/

>>48340542
>>48340567
The actual thing is !=, by the way.

>>48341454

>Esper control is good, but bad against 70% of the metagame.

It's a shit deck. Even jokes like 4c ally deck get more results than esper control.

>>48340843
>Control with an oops I win spell.

That is literally what a combo deck is. It isn't Twin's fault that control is shit in Modern.

>>48349657
>>48349687
No, no, he's right. Let this be a lesson to everyone. It's the secret that Jund players don't want you to know.

Bob does so much damage over time, that you should absolutely leave it alive for at least 3 turns to get some damage in, and then Bolt it.

>>48351112

>Twin dindu nuffin

Twin niggers need to finally go and stay go

>>48345766
They just gave swords flash, sfm is forever banned

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Why the fuck do you niggers use xmage? Playing against anything is 10x more frustrating in there. The interface is terrible, 90% of the players play way (WAY) too slowly and with janky decks that when you beat you can't be exactly happy because they're bad and when you lose make you feel miserable.

Holy shit, just tried playing there right now and I feel like I wasted two hours of my life.

unlike with mtgo you dont have to buy your deck twice

the interface is good, the only issue I've ever had was an actual bug with flusterstorm glitching out on spell IDs when the stack got too big, that might be fixed already its been a while

slow players are annoying as fuck though, stop playing shitters i guess

>>48337677

>>48350990
There's 10 shitters trying to make Allies work for every one person who plays Esper. Its not surprising it has more results.

>>48337727
splinter twin, seething song, second sunrise.

>>48351240
>Big bad twin ruined the format
Stop being an idiot. They banned twin cuz they know it was the best control wincon. As the same sfm and JtMS, if they were legal, nobody would buy a new card from standard (like Nahiri) unless they print something extremely broken, (like eldrazi)

If they'd abolish the entire Modern banlist, which deck or decks would become the most dominant?

>>48353957

affinity

>>48353957
NBL Modern is actually pretty diverse, Twin, Miracles, Storm, SFM Blade variants and Merfolk are all viable. Haven't seen 12post in a top8 yet but can't see why it couldn't work as UG with Metal Missteps and Swan Songs to survive until t5-6 Emrakul.

>>48337727
Cloudpost, Summer Bloom and Chrome Mox.

Guess what I play in Legacy.

Nahiri is at 20 right now look like to be on the decline, do I wait or cop now?

>>48354234
It probably wouldnt hurt to wait a little if youre in no rush. The only thing to worry about is if she ends up seeing play in new standard which would cause her price to skyrocket. If you want to be cautious on that front then maybe try and pick her up before the Pro Tour in case theres a breakout deck

>>48354234
After rotation she will be like 18-16 bucks. now you should be buying origins jace, kolaghans and CoCo

>>48346456
As they say, the reason to run the second Craterhoof Behemoth in Elves is so that you know what your draw is going to be after youre forced to keep an opening hand that has the first.

>>48337727
Sensei's
Pod
DRS

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As a pauper player, tell me why I should buy a modern deck?

I only play online but noticed we have a fairly large and health Modern scene. I do not mind buying a deck over time, but is there any reason I should play it? Most decks seem awfully linear and boring when compared to pauper.

What's a good deck vs burn and tron which makes up my meta? Budget is around 500 bucks (Jund would take me a year to buy).

Living End, RG Breach, or Eldrazi Tron.

Which one should I get as my only paper deck?

>>48354706
Short answer, you shouldn't, get into Legacy on the (relative) cheap with DNT, Burn or any combo deck with LEDs. If you must play a shit format, Infect is pretty solid vs both of those, you have too much protection and a faster goldfish than burn and you basically can't lose to Tron.

>>48354957
Breach is just worse than straight Titanshift.

>>48354957
>>48355233
>>48339243
>>48338835
[X files music]

>>48354706
>As a pauper player, tell me why I should buy a modern deck?
Only if you plan to play paper magic, since pauper has very little support in paper. If you have any legacy support near you I would go for that, but if literally all you have is modern and standard, thats when you buy into modern.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/july-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-07-18

I know this is old news already, but fuck, why are they so afraid of unbanning fun cards?

>>48355453

unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire unban punishing fire

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Would a card like this help to balance strong lands in modern by giving a cheaper land destruction option?

>>48355954

fuck off

>>48355954
Fuck off.

>>48355954
Fuck Off.

@48355954

fuck off

>>48355994
>>48355997
Don't give him the Us.

>>48355954
>21/69

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What do you guys think of cards like these? Do you think it would be interesting if Wizards ever made a planes based around a digital world?

@48356295
#fuckoff

>>48356089
>@48355954
>acting this ridiculous over a custom card post

This is even worse than giving out (You)s.

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Trying to make a Delver list using two copies of pic related as a finisher. Can I get some advice on the instants/sorceries in particular?

CREATURES (14)
4 Delver
4 Swiftspear
4 Yung P
2 Bedlam Reveler

INSTANTS AND SORC (28)
4 L. Bolt
4 Serum
4 Gix Probe
3 Thought Scour
3 Remand
2 Forked Bolt
2 Spell Snare
2 Mana Leak
2 Vapor Snag
2 Electrolyze

LANDS (18)
2 Steam Vents
2 Sulfur Falls
3 Shivan Reef (cutting for fetches)
1 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
4 Mountain
5 Island

>run more fetches
>run snapcaster
between jobs, slowly trading for them

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@48356467
t. custom card guy.

You do this every thread for (You)s, adding nothing but more troll images. No (You)s for (You).

>>48356528
Delver is no good in modern, there are no good cantrips, buy fakes and play legacy

>>48356529
How have you still not figured out how to reply?

>>48356558
actually considering this since my store allows 10 proxies

>>48356563
He deliberately wants to stop the (you)s. He's fine

>>48356528
I don't understand why people aren't jamming 4 of these in every deck that runs bolt and thought scour.

It's basically a goyf with a mini wheel attached. Fuck this 2 of bullshit. J-J-Jam it in!

>>48356573
You can choose what flavor you want, canadian threshold or grixis

>>48356619
I'm thinking 3 at tops, but the problem is each additional one is diminishing returns, since you can only reliably cast so many of them for 2 mana

>>48354706
> What's a good deck vs burn and tron which makes up my meta? Budget is around 500 bucks (Jund would take me a year to buy).

Stock Merfolk lists are around $600 and you can cut that down a bit if you focus on the core of the deck rather than stuff like the legendary blue lands that are basically only there for Choke insurance (and the mirror sometimes I guess). The Burn matchup is stupidly good for Merfolk and Tron is also pretty decent thanks to 4x Spreading Seas.

>>48356528
If youre UR and arent running Snapcaster at the moment then I dont think Thought Scour is that good. Even if youre running Bedlam Reveler youre still not going to usually want to just turbo it out early on because you'll be discarding your hand and by the time youre close to hellbent you should already have a stacked graveyard from just playing the deck. If you want a 1cmc instant cantrip in that slot I'd say that Peek or even Quicken might just be better.

Bedlam Reveler in Storm.
Bedlam Reveler+Emerge in storm.

Y/N?

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>>48357274
>storm

>>48357274
I think warrens is still better since it's harder to deal with

>>48357274
No
Storm already has trouble sideboarding because it doesn't have many slots to spare without fucking up the combo
This is the last thing it needs

>>48355453
Give them a break, they just got modern in a non fucked up state for the first time in a while, give it a couple months before they fuck it up again

has anyone brewed with madness cards? I want to abuse discard outlets

>>48356619
because getting it in your opening hand is terrible. this is not tasigur because it cares about the card types. yes, it will eventually cost only 2 but its way slower. two seems correct.

>>48358491
Nah, getting it in your open hand is fine. You just play the control game, use all your instants and sorceries to ruin their gameplan, then refill your hand with a 3/4 beater.

>>48358125
Over 60% aggro is fucked up desu

>>48358653
Because modern has to be what you want it to be? Play a different format.
It's very obvious where wotc is going with modern and new card types.

Creatures are now just sorceries with bodies stapled to them and most forms of interaction are labelled as the wrong type of fun, ie. Land destruction

>>48356643
It doesn't exile the cards. Once it's two mana it should stay at two mana.

1 Mountain
1 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Sacred Foundry
3 Godless Shrine
4 Arid Mesa
1 Needle Spires


Instances
2 Lightning Helix
2 Boros Charm
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt

creatures
3 Mogg War Marshal
3 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Young Pyromancer

anthem
3 Intangible Virtue
3 Impact Tremors

Tokens
3 Lingering Souls
3 Spectral Procession
4 Raise the Alarm

rate, criticise, do your thing niggas

>>48359246
>Mardu
>Not Esper with Polymorph and Emmy

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Why doesn't dredge play this?

>>48359310
Because what they do play is faster, and also dredge doesn't play blue

>>48359310
Why does nobody realize how ugly the new card frame is?

>>48359603
It grew on me. I like the stamp a lot now.

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>>48359310
It's pretty mediocre, senpai. Dredge is a very linear deck; you generally need to quickly kill your opponent, and that card somewhat slow relative to other things you are doing. It also costs blue to cast.

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>>48342316
Liliana of the Veil is also my favourite, she wins games by herself and is extremely CUTE.

I've been brewing a Tainted Remedy list. There's something alluring about taking awful spells and turning them into value. I think it can do quite good against certain decks. Gonna playtest it once I get to patch Xmage. Anyone else having problem with patching Xmage recently?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-07-16-tainted-remedy/

I was thinking of starting this game again, after 10 years or so.
Realistically speaking, is it possible to build a solid deck without having to spend millions on it?
Because I can't afford stuff like Tarmogoyf at all.

>>48360810
Garbage if you don't draw one, but it'd be fun for kitchen table

>>48360810
Don't forget rain of gore

>>48360868
Chinaman

GW Tron with Oath of Nissa, lots of planeswalkers, and Deploy the Gatewatch?

How important is it for jund to have all 4 lilianas? I was thinking of running 3 to save on costs, but is that blasphemy?

>>48361213
You can even do fine with 2, it's a meta call; it would be better 2 if you have a lot of bogles/inect

>>48361102
You lose a crazy lot of consistency because you need to run a lot of distinct planeswalkers for Deploy to perform okay.

>>48361102
just go 5 color superfriends

>>48360868
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70cbNJrs2Xw

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>>48361213
>I was thinking of running 3 to save on costs, but is that blasphemy?
I'd say it's quite

>>48361075
Chinaman, chinaman, does whatever maro can.
Prints a card, any set, bothers jews? you can bet!
Look out, here comes the chinaman

Is he cheap? listen bro, not really no.
he's still better than, jews who won't print a Djinn.
Hey, there! There goes the Chinaman!

>>48359246
how about you just play straight burn or tokens

swiftspear has no synergy with virtue, and impact tremors is kind of eh since playing it on curve means you forfeit t2 tempo hard

just roll with a token list or come up with an aristocrats brew if you wanna roll with tremors

>>48361387
6/10 only liked first part

>>48361075
>>48361318
As useful as expected I guess.

>>48361481
>OMG you didn't gave me a supersikrit budget brew that is tier0 and just cost 10 bucks
Because it does not exist
>I don't want to buy fake cards blah blah
Ok, but then don't complain about not finding an option on cheaper cards

>>48361297
>>48361339
I think I'll get 4 copies, because the cards' value is only going to go up. That and I'm playing Jund so I might as well pimp it out with the forth Liliana.

>>48337727
BBE and JTMS, since BBE kept Jace in check in standard, it would be fun to see what would happen in modern. The third unban would be mental misstep.

>>48361604
>mental misstep
>wanting more cards to be absolutely necessary in any modern deck

>>48361518
Did I ask for that? No.
And if with chinaman that guy meant to use proxies well I can't really use them on tournaments where I live.

>>48360868
just play rdw minus 4 guides and you're good
side in reality hemorrhage to deal with firewalkers, smelt/shattering spree to deal with affinity, and hope you don't run into 5c burn or elves.

>>48361722
Not the first to suggest me an aggro/burn, I'll keep that in mind.
What are the major sites to buy single cards in Europe?

>>48359246
please stop

>>48361672
yes you can, nobody will notice

>>48361815
you could also do b/w tokens. sub out thoughtseizes with the relevant 1cmc disruption that hits your local meta hardest, and use a cheaper alternative to gideon
i'd also recommend storm but its pretty underwhelming at present

i live in thailand so i can't really give you any good sites fer singles. mate of mine used scg for archenemy schemes once and shipping was mad quick

>>48361984
>you could also do b/w tokens.
If you like playing T3 decks

>>48362002
eh dude was asking for decks he could play in modern. didn't say they had to be good

>>48359310
Dredge does play it. Just not in vine version, which seems to be more popular.

>just put storm together
>planning on going to a casual """modern"" tournament that popped up at a local hastings with a 30$ first place prize
>its mostly kids and a couple casual players playing un tiered decks
It feels somewhat wrong taking a T2-3 deck into an environment like that. thoughts?

>>48362431
i brought an old innistrad weenie white human i dug up into a casual tournament once. tore through almost every single game i got champion down t1. felt really bad about it since most of the players there were either just getting into modern or transitioning from the theros rotation.

pls rate this is my best brew ever http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-07-16-grixis-donate/

>>48361815
Magiccardmarket.eu
eBay

>>48362431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9swmUat10U

>>48362583
thats mostly what Im worried about. Granted one of the kids there is playing UG Infect, but something as un interactive as storm seems a bit douchey

>>48362761
i honestly wouldn't know what would be worst as a new player, dying to a 7/7 1 drop over 5 turns or dying t3 because they didn't remove electromancer. granted i think a new player might be more impressed than anything that a card with a simple effect like electromancer enables otks like that.

>>48362818
>a new player might be more impressed
thats where I came from playing storm. But most people are a lot saltier than me.
>a 7/7 1 drop
what exactly are you referring to?

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>>48362892
he gets pretty swole after awhile

>>48361339
I added one of those to my SB for lols. My meta has tons of swarm decks; elves, company, one guy who plays slivers. Felt so good to cast a wrath for 1R.

>>48362920
He doesn't live that long

>>48362892
As a goldfishing hater, i just play decks that severly hate those (like mud). But mtg is a place for all kind of autism so they have to learn what a shitty deck storm is by the bad way

>>48361672
>>48361878
How much are chinaman proxies? Do they vary by Vintage/Legacy/Modern or by quantity bought?

>>48361604
>Mental Misstep
No, fuck you. Fuck this fucking card. The only reason it is even tolerable in Vintage is because every single 1-mana spell is broken as shit and it keeps the format sane, but even there, Misstep is still a piece of shit.

How they managed to make a Counterspell that's even more fucking infuriating than Force of Will is baffling.

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Would Unstable Portal be playable in Modern?

>>48364315

>>48353957
The meta devolves into U/R delver with cruise and misstep.

>>48364315

Been out of the loop, what exactly makes Nahiri so good in modern? Glancing over her she just looks like a slow searcher for some Emrakul focused decks or something.

>>48364997
It gives control a real wincon. More than collanade beats

>>48364997
It's a 4 drop that will eventually win the game and can protect itself.

When will Pucatrade prices catch up with TCG? I bought a bunch of foil Drogskol Captains on a whim to try my hand at playing pricing and now I'm looking to unload them in an easy way.

>>48365341
What? Captain is like $0.25, wtf are you talking about.

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>>48365372

>>48365405
His market value is considerably lower than that, a single seller who left him outrageously priced != the price you can sell him for is that.

>>48337677
ez question, what's the cheapest deck that can actually win.

>>48364997
>slow

+2 is fucking fast and should have been +1. It enters at 6 loyalty and nets you 2 cards per turn and is fairly reliable removal spell. The ult means you HAVE to kill her fast, which is crazy hard in the right decks (Jeskai and its Control spells, Kiki Chord and its insane blockers).

>>48365567
Martyr Life, Elves, Eldrazi(Tron lists), MonoG Aggro, Dredge, Elemental Combo.

All can be made for >$500, and can occasionally win small-medium sized tourneys.

>>48364315
that doesn't even work. where's the card coming from?
also
>Chosen at random

it's complete shit

>>48365551
I mean, that's the only foil one on TCG

>>48365855
aaaaand, it's gone. Someone bought a LP foil for $14.

>>48365943
scratch that, browser was slow to load and it said out of stock.

>>48361558
>the cards' value is only going to go up
There is like a 85% chance that it's getting reprinted this year, anon. Modern master 3 is coming before long, and you better believe it's gonna get some innistrad reprints. Snapcaster or liliana, no doubt.

>>48363514
>dies to removal
Then they bolted your 1 drop, good for them.

>>48366716
>praying for reprints
How fucking stupid are you?

How can you possibly be playing Modern and have any hope Wizards is doing anything to help us?

Does Spell Queller have legs in modern?

>>48361833
I can't and I won't.

>>48361422
I play tokens. Getting bored of it. I want something new and fun. Rather than just copy paste a deck from the internet and pretend it is mine. Like most of you have done.

>>48359293
What is this deck you speak of?

>>48362002
Don't be such an elitist. All you've done is copy and past a deck from the internet. Its not yours. You did nothing. Do not feel accomplished.

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>>48366716
Get a load of this guy.

Hopes for reprints and believes anything relevant reprinted will drop in price.

>>48363965
"Phyrexian mana was a mistake." - Mark Rosewater

>>48367063
Speaking of reprints: Why does WotC refuse to reprint decent cards in standard? Why wouldn't they reprint Snapcaster Mage, Lingering Souls, Doomed Traveler and any other non-legendary Innistrad card that actually sees play?

>>48367591
what decks does doomed traveler see play in?

>>48361984
Thanks for the tips, but when I said I can't afford a tarmogoyf I didn't meant I can't literally buy every card worth more than 5 euros, so thoughtseizes is fully within my budget.

>>48366727
Goyf is cheaper than it's been in years.A reprint at mythic tanked its price by $50. That's not nothing.

Spellskite, noble hierarch, they all get mad affordable for a while.

>>48367591
Because they're strong cards. Wizards doesn't want the kids playing Standard and Limited to play with strong cards, because then it might be unfun.

>>48367605
Aristocrats?

So I finished Merfolk, every flavour of blue control, built a CoCo brew, turned the coco brew into Abzan coco, then turned it back again as the brew was way more fun

What should my next project be? I guess I could continue foiling but I'd rather start something new. Maybe build Legacy instead

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Delver is fun but control is life

I'm trying to quantify which of the major card games are the most ded.
How many entrants does Magic typically get for their major tournaments?

>>48368209
As in the Tier 4 deck?

>>48366933
>>48366908

Yeah why stick to something that works and win games when you can just keep reinventing the wheel.

>>48366933
A hater of netdecks is like an incompetent engineer.

A competent engineer performs research and then, to the best of his abilities, develops a product. He investigates his options and chooses the best design. Often it will resemble other inherently efficient designs. Sometimes he will prove a better understanding by squeezing out additional performance with his own subtle innovations and methods.

The incompetent engineer doesn't perform research. He then misinterprets his inability to perform research with "being creative". He then confuses his inability to tell the difference between good and bad designs with "being open-minded". Finally, he confuses his ability to ignore reason and champion a terrible cause with "being a visionary". What the incompetent engineer doesn't know is that his design was probably conceived, evaluated, and rejected by the competent engineer; and that took very little time and effort due to his superior evaluation skills. Of course, the incompetent engineer never learns this because he will not perform research.

A lifetime of pursuing bad designs horribly stifles his ability to learn and improve, and his evaluation skills suffer so badly that he loses his ability to recognize good designs. This results in a mentality where creating superior designs without copying them in inconceivable, even if that is completely illogical due to designs needing to be created before they can be copied.

Finally, the incompetent engineer transitions away from valuing his own competence and sets trivial and asinine goals for himself that have nothing to do with showing, learning, or employing useful skills. He then confuses his ability to meet these goals with superiority over the competent engineer.

>>48368805
What the fuck is your plan even before T4? Do you literally just hope for an opening 7 with the right kind of reaction and a Vision?

>>48366908
It's BW Tokens, but instead of black disruption you go blue counters with four copies of Polymorph & Emrakul as your only creature. If you're beatdown you hope for Intangible Virtue & more tokens, but if you're control you hope for Polymorph so you can turn a token into Emrakul.

>>48369140
sounds good on paper, does it work?

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>>48369201
Yeah, but it's not T1 so everyone here will hate it lol

>>48369229
would you say it's better than bw tokens?

I was checking dark zoo lists and I noticed they all use Mishra's Bauble, care to explain why?
While it is a nice manaless way to draw a card, aren't there better cards to be played in an aggro?

>>48369237
Yeah, your 4-mana play is Emrakul instead of Sorin

>>48369258
Filtering, dark/suicide zoo is essentially a combo deck with creatures

>>48369312
I see, I saw it in a zoo without the avatar so I was wondering what it was for.
Isn't the combo in dark zoo kind of weak and too easy to neutralize?

>>48369312
>dark/suicide zoo is essentially a combo deck
never go full retard

>>48369284
Well you don't 2 for 1 yourself by playing sorin.

>>48369312
>zoo is essentially a combo deck with creatures
Yeah it combos your combat phase with your creatures to deal 20 damage before your opponent can regret mulling a Path/Terminate/Decay.

>>48368916
Pretty good post, is it a pasta?

>>48368805
Senpai you forgot your playset of Nahiri

thank me later

>>48369050
That's the plan with all control decks in modern

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>>48368805
>Grixis Delver
>no delver of secrets
>no young pyromancer
U wot m8

>>48370384
You may be retarded.

>>48370384
deleting post in 5....4....3....

>>48370384
>delver in modern

dumb cheetahposter

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>>48359310
Dredge dosen't run Blue.
And this exist now.

>>48370384
Wow I fucked that up, oh well. Look at my shitty dredge deck

Land (17)
1x Blackcleave Cliffs
1x Blood Crypt
2x Bloodstained Mire
3x Copperline Gorge
2x Dakmor Salvage
2x Mountain
1x Scalding Tarn
1x Steam Vents
1x Stomping Ground
3x Wooded Foothills
Creature (25)
4x Bloodghast
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Insolent Neonate
4x Narcomoeba
4x Prized Amalgam
4x Stinkweed Imp
1x Vengeful Pharaoh
Sorcery (13)
3x Burning Inquiry
2x Conflagrate
4x Faithless Looting
1x Goblin Lore
3x Life from the Loam
Instant (5)
1x Abrupt Decay
2x Darkblast
1x Gnaw to the Bone
1x Rally the Peasants
Sideboard (15)
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Ancient Grudge
2x Back to Nature
1x Darkblast
2x Gnaw to the Bone
3x Leyline of the Void
1x Vengeful Pharaoh

Fuck me, grishoalbrand is the most fun I've had in modern in q long time.

Sometimes it's nice to just say fuck interaction, then proceed to pick up your entire deck and throw lands at the other guy

>>48371508
Spell Pierce.

>>48372115
Yea, counterspells are a buzzkill but they don't kill the deck. Splice mechanic helps and you can slow roll control if that's what they're on. Merfolk you pray.

2 pact of negation in the side fucks control over too

New thread when? The OP did good here

>>48372374
>>48372613
>>48372613

>>48368885
Fun, my friend. I play for fun.

>>48369140
After bw tokens, I fell in love with tokens. I found with bw i didnt have enough removal and couldn't close games when I needed to. Decided to make a rw tokens. It works. Pretty well, besides my piloting errors. My next idea was a uw tokens and so on. Thank you anon, i will definitely have a look at esper tokens.

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>>48372682
>Le netdeck is unfun xDXDxd meme