Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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First for cultural enrichment.

What do you think of these sprue tank traps I made?

Seekers dont need combi-weapons anymore.

Discuss.

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>>48314897
I forgot my pic yet again.

>>48314897
Needs to be more tangible.

Now that assault marines are a thing:
Melta bombs for 5ppm, yea or nay?
Combat shields for 3ppm, yea or nay?
Power swords/axes for 4 models at 10ppm, yea or nay?

They are made to get into combat and fuck shit up, but it might be a bad idea to sink too many points into them.

>>48314954
Combat shields are now 5++ in CC.

>>48314954
Power weapons and lets rock

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Are there any viable ways to run a dreadnought heavy list with Iron Warriors? I'm new so sorry if this seems like a dumb question.

Found another small change, the extra armour on storm eagles are now 5p Points instead of 10:P

>>48314913
leftmost one came out the best, but they're all workable as long as it's clear they're improvised defenses. a more well-prepared defense would probably have better engineered tank traps.

>>48315075
That seems to be a broader change to most vehicles, actually.

Anons, a question for lords of war: what are the most updated books for rules for LoWs outside of HH? I mean Crassus Praetor, Marauder Bomber and so on

Feeling bad for anyone who built a moritat

>>48315115
Weren't HK missiles 10pts. before?


Speaking of changes, is there a point taking the gun upgrade for the Falchion? Maybe if there's other super-heavies about to nerf their D weapons (can only snap fire), but the fact that if you don't penetrate or wound, you are in danger of losing hull points seems like a bigger drawback.

>>48315188
It's a 1/36 chance for a falchion to suffer a hull point when firing. If you know you face things like Typhons or Sicaran Venators I would definitely say its worth.

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>>48315188
Yeah HK missiles was 10p before. now they are 5. also here is my 1ksons librarian

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>>48315235
Son, that red is too thick.

>>48315235
Get some wash on the red plates and go over the brass with a couple more layers and you should be good to go anon. Also pop over to the WIP thread and look at the "How to take a WIP photo" thing.

>>48315264
is that Danny DeVito on the right

>>48315171
Why? Yeah, sure, he can no longer fire indefinitely, but I think plasmas became a bit more viable, since even a few plasma shots is bound to have some effect over 12 bolt pistol shots.

I just liked the idea of a lone wolf gunslinger blasting before everyone else and I had an old Chaos Raptor jump pack lying around that I didn't know what to do with. Looks rather nice on a MkVI suit with the pointy swooping shapes.

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terminator Squad With a preator/librarian in the back

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Just bought myself some beakies, which legions had Corvus armour during the heresy?

>>48315310
All of them.

>>48315214
Sure. But if you're facing a bunch of infantry and shit, it's useless really. Highly situational. Not that I field my Falchion that much anyway.

>>48315268
yea he needs anoter Wash on the red also this is extremly Close up With a shitty mobile camera i did a few weeks ago:)

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>POST YFW ONLY A FEW HOURS TILL OPEN DAY GOODNESS

>>48315289
Which legion?

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>>48315335

>>48315323
This.

Though with the caveat that according to new fluff the MkVI was in prototype testing before the Heresy and some primarchs wanted to see it fail. In the old fluff its production started around the time Horus was rolling through Sol and after he took Mars, they distributed the suits across traitor legions as well.

But yeah, all legions can use them just fine. RG is probably most famous for them. I think Alphas had them in notable quantities as well.

>>48315352
Iconography looks like Thousand Sons

>>48315352
Thousand sons

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>>48315335

Hot diggity are these FW paints expensive. Do people here buy their paints from FW/GW or is there a popular alternative?

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>>48315335
>mfw Eddienoughts get the new lascannons

Dead armor, dead armor everywhere.

>>48315043
"viable"

Hammer of Olympia, spam Leviathans and Deredeos. Fill your elites with talons of whatever flavor you prefer, maybe a unit of Techmarines.

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>>48314792
Alan preserve us, new forgeworld in 5 hours.

>>48315469
Vallejo all the way

>>48315469
I don't know of anyone that buys the FW paints.

>>48315680
i buy chemos purple for basecoating

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Repost for the Repost gods, Scoria saves, the rest of you take full damage

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Why do you continue to throw away perfectly good tank traps anons

>>48316036
It makes me happy that you are throwing yourself into this so happily.

>>48316045
That's a different anon.


Those ones look a lot better than mine, in my opinion.

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>>48315914

>>48316080

Fight me IRL

>>48316071
Stop stealing my ideas.

>>48316104
I came up with it first, anon.

But it's okay, I'll admit yours look better.

>>48316129
It's just a style preference. Yours look "used".

>>48316156
Your wife looks used

>>48316156
True enough, though your pic is a nice reference pic for what I should do.

>>48316166
Well now anon, that isn't nice.

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>>48316166
What in the wolf did you just Howlin' say about me, you little Milksop? I'll have you know I was throned the top of my tribe in the Kingdom of the Russ and I've been involved in numerous executions of traitor Primarchs, and I have over 300 million confirmed kills. I am trained in wolf warfare and I am the top CQC expert in all of the Imperium. Ye are notin to me but just another nancy bitch.

>>48316276
>I've been involved in numerous executions of traitor Primarchs
Kek
>300 million confirmed kills
Now Anon, not even the Flesh Tearers killed that many when they cleansed a whole system with melee. Hell, didn't Khârn scored his millionth skull until after the Heresy?

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>>48316381
Do trees count? They're living organisms, and I know there's one Pokemon that's a tree stump and animated by the souls of children. Caliban and other planets had to have those.

Hello all. I've been playing 40k for some time and have been wanting to get into 30k as 40k is a cesspool, and I'm wondering if there is a base rulebook for 30k or if it's just a collection of special models and formations found in some other unholy tome. If so, WHAT IS IT CALLED

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>>48316947
Son, let me tell you of your first mistake. Formations. There are none in 30k. And to answer your question they're called the Red Books.

>>48316381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHNJUgat2i8
Skip to about 2:25

>>48315469
If you are buying the clear paints from FW, then you should know you can get similar paints from Tamiya cheaper.

>>48316947
You need this and the 7e Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2Fdownload%2Ff0c2pnieoijyrqk%2FLegiones_Astartes_Age_of_Darkness_Army_List.pdf

This is for the Legiones Astartes stuff.

You'll also need the Age of Darkness Legions book for every legion that isn't Blood Angels, Dark Angels, or White Scars. That's in book VI.

When the fuck is the mastidon coming

ive had $400 stowed away for months now waiting

>>48316988
>>48317041
thank

>>48317143
No problem anon!

What legion are you interested in?

>>48317072
Prerelease at the Open Day, probably for general sale in a few weeks.

Could there be previously-unseen HH models or renders at the Open Day? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hoping Dorn or Alpharius are at least conceptualized.

>>48317253
Dude, that's what Open Days are for. Doubt we'll see Alpharius though

>>48317253
I want Tyrant and Havoc models so bad. Please let the Havocs be in MkIII. Please.

>>48317253
im guessing finished russ and WIP magnus

>>48317253
probably renders of SW and TS legion units

>>48317253

It's just going to be mechanicum.

As it should be.

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>>48315335
The hype is real lads.

>>48314912
They're quite immobile if they're using Scorpius rounds, so having a combi-plasma option for an assault might not be a bad thing, but they could certainly function without it.

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>>48315335
Hype is so real desu

Personally hoping for news on the next ImperialArmour and anything mechanicum.

Finished primarch models would be great too. I have friend that's just waiting to see the Magnus model so he can decide weather to start up on 30k TS.

>>48315323
AL and RG had the Mk VI suits in fairly large quantities, all other legions probably had at least a few suits in their armouries.

>>48317290
He's already been leaked.

>>48315310
>>48315323
Was it Perturabo who strongly disliked mk6? I seem to recall something like that in the fluf.

>>48317669
Perturabo hated MkVI.

MkIII or bust, and I agree completely!

>>48315469
Vallejo, Scale75 (metallics especially), Tamiya, P3, all good ranges for certain things.
Cost a little less per pot, and tend to be slightly larger too.

anybody playing a game this week and wanna post their list while they wait for news? I want to see what you guys are bringing to your nerd dungeons.

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>>48317679
Aren't IW usually depicted in Mk. II in the books? Their upgrade kit is Mk. II and, well, there's this guy...

>>48317029
They're surprisingly different in handling them in person, though they serve a similar purpose.
Tamiya clears are nice, don't get me wrong, but the FW clears are different, and available in more colours than the Tamiya clear line.

>>48317709
Their helmet upgrade kit is MkII, the torso upgrade kit is MkIV. It's very annoying.

MkIII is MkII with extra armor plating.

That, and I just prefer III over II.

>>48317689
Had fun with an almost only Terminator list as EC yesterday. My opponent was certainly not prepared, and i sweeped his 2 mini deathstars.

Currently painting up some mechanicum to ally in and in anticipation for when the robutts get allowed in 40k.

>>48317736
Wait, actually looking closer at them, the torsos are indeed MkII.

Huh, never noticed the banding at the waist. Kind of odd that they'd lack the bit that drapes down on regular MkII and MkIII?

>>48317742
that's a pretty good idea. depending on what news comes out today maybe I'll start making a robutts force with the Start Collecting box. or maybe I'll order a Sicaran. It's my birthday so I feel like I should splurge a little.

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>>48315914
Damn, the S-man looks good, and so do his brobots.
Good job anon

>>48314954
Combat Shields are bucklers, you still have a bolt pistol, right?
I know they don't get Resolve of Stone, but a big unit of Imperial Fist Sword, Board and Pistol marines is looking pretty tempting right now

>>48317865
happy birthday man.
I'd say go with the Sicarian until we know how exactly the robutts will get ported to 40k.

Sicarian plus just the Dominus could be good so you also have a sexy model to paint, that you'll most likely need anyways.

>>48317972
ha! actually I meant a sicaran tank for my imperial fists. but yeah all the skitarii/cult mech models are great. except for the baymax robots...

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>>48318052
The sicarian tank was what i meant too.

With a headswap, the baymax robutts don't look bad either though

>>48318095
oh shit its late sorry. and yeah those heads look pretty badass. way better than baymax.

So for those of us that are not very well informed, when was open day starting up ?

>>48318231
The doors opened an hour ago. (10AM BST)

>>48318095
Jesus that's good, what is it from? A knight?

>>48318308
no its fw

>>48318308
It's a cult mechanicus Kastellan robot with a headswap from a 3rd party company.
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-mechanics/adeptus-mechanicus-kastelan-robots-heads/
>>48318280
Well shit, so what time are they gonna do the repesentation where we normally see all the new stuff ?

>>48315286
because on the internet at large and on 4chan in particular everything is either the literally greatest thing on the planet or a cum dumpster not worth the air that its breathing that should be taken behind the shed and shot.

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>>48318280
>an hour ago. (10AM
It's just gone 9am here in bongland, so they don't open for an hour

Have a britmarine

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>>48318095
>>48318308
>>48318314
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/imperial-mechanics/adeptus-mechanicus-kastelan-robots-heads/

They're for sale at Wargame Exclusive.

>>48318344
http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/forge-world-open-day-2016/

Don't have any schedule information I'm afraid, beyond what it says on the site linked above.

>>48318366
Ah yes, you're right. Thought it was 11 here already, my mistake. Doors will open in 50 minutes then.

>>48318366
But I want my American Marines, give me info and pics for any IW stuff please, anon! I need it!

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>>48318381
Yeah, and if it wasn't a ticketed event I'd want to go, seeing as it's only just down the road.
Hell, even going the Death Guard route and walking it I could be there by the afternoon, I'm that close

Wow, the Death Guard are really british now I think about it
>terrible teeth
>walk everywhere
>always drinking shit
>bio-phage for gardening
>everything they cook turns to sludge

>>48318383
Really wish I could - I hope the Warriors finally get their Tyrants (even though that'll probably mean the Ultras will get their blinged-up Fulmentarii because they can only copy)

>>48318515
>Really wish I could - I hope the Warriors finally get their Tyrants (even though that'll probably mean the Ultras will get their blinged-up Fulmentarii because they can only copy)
Anon, please. I can only hope I can get my Tyrants and Havocs. And for them to say that Tyrants are in fact, an elites choice.

Even though I'd probably never end up using them as troops in a Pride list. Because I love Riding the Ironfire too much. Also, why does the Elites spot have so much stuff I want to take, yet the only things I really want in the Heavy Support slot is artillery and Havocs?

>>48318578
Making Tyrants HS is a bad option from a list diversity standpoint, as well. It means IW who want to include their special units--which is most players--but don't want to use Hammer of Olympia--which, again, is most players--are going to have a HS section that will almost always look like
>Tyrants
>Havocs
>Medusas
If Pride of the Legion Tyrants are a problem, give them a rule disallowing their use as troops, don't fuck over the Heavy Support section of the Heavy Support legion.

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honk honk

>>48318625

>mechanicum units for 23 britdollars

Is this real life?

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>>48318578
>the only things I really want in the Heavy Support slot is artillery and Havocs
Because you are a true Iron Warrior?
Elites is always a hugely contested slot, that's why so many of the Rites make things troops.

Two idle questions while we wait for the doors to open (~15 mins as of this post)

Anyone got any experience with Shattered Legions?
Seems like it might be a good way to start multiple legions if you know you like them but don't want to try (or pay for) doing multiple simultaneous legions

How big do you think chapter/battlegroup colour scheme variation could be?

>>48318644
It's an upgrade kit

>>48318644
>units
Upgrades son, upgrades.

But the 40k skitarii kits are cool anyway

>>48318625
>LotR shades
I came.

>>48318650
Not only is it an upgrade kit, but the base unit is sold at 23.50 pounds, so what the fuck is that comment even about

>>48318625
Ooo, Secutarii already! Neat.

Also, while it's not 30k, it's cool to see that they brought the Barracuda back. I thought it was a bit odd that it got discontinued a while ago.

With all this new Red Scorpions, Tau and AdMech stuff that new book with all three of them can't be too far off, eh?

>>48318621
I feel that RAI they're meant to be Elites, as the page discussing the IW's unique units even has a thing in parentheses stating that since Tyrants are an Elites choice you can take them in Pride of the Legion lists, or something like that.

>>48318625
>Red Scorpioms transfer sheets
>Not Carcharodons
>Or Red Hunters
>Or Exorcists
REEEEEEEE
>Those exclusives that I will never have because lol exclusives
REEEEEE


>>48318648
>Because you are a true Iron Warrior?
This warms the heart of the hungry burger who is speaking to friendly britbongs at 1:50 AM.

>>48318687
Red Scorpions have always been the main FW pet chapter and they're featured in the next IA book. You'd have to be a dummy to have expected anything else.

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>>48318696
>Red Scorpions have always been the main FW pet chapter and they're featured in the next IA book. You'd have to be a dummy to have expected anything else.
I know. I'm also hungry.


What is weetabix?

>>48318687
>I feel that RAI they're meant to be Elites, as the page discussing the IW's unique units even has a thing in parentheses stating that since Tyrants are an Elites choice you can take them in Pride of the Legion lists, or something like that.
That's a pure copy/paste typo from the previous edition. It doesn't mention the new Iron Circle units, either.

It was a stupid change to move Tyrants to HS instead of Elites, but it seems like it was purely aimed at shutting down the Tyrantwing list as it was one of the cheapest ways to build a pretty large (by points) IW army. I can't imagine why else they would have done it considering how many amazing units already fight for HS slots.

Can someone link the new AoD legion army list book ?

>>48318725
>That's a pure copy/paste typo from the previous edition.
I have already used my crying seal. Now what am I to do but wallow in my sadness.

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>>48318681
>AdMech stuff
It's to turn the clock back and make Admech into Mechanicum.

Just a little sad that Tau prefer their suits to any other kind of vehicle now - that thing's original big guns makes me want to make a Tau battleship-style thing, not a giant suit

>>48318706
>What is weetabix?
What does he mean by this?

>>48318621
Havocs should be the elites, allows the same concept as your idea, and makes sense since they are clearly elite units due to their BS 5.

>>48316947

To clarify a bit on what the other guys have said, it kind of depends on what army you want to play

Mechanicum have their own book, imperial army +knights have their own book, and the space marine legions have two books, one of which covers their generic army list and the other covers the legions and their special rules

If you want to play a particular army you need the book(s) which have their rules, plus the 40k 7th ed rule book, the missions/deployments are in the back of the army rule books

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>>48318758
>What does he mean by this?
Question not the hungry burger, anon. I wish to know of weetabix and eat it. Just as I have memorized a recipe for бopщ I found online but have found no time to cook.

>>48318759
For some reason having Havocs in the Elites slot seems wrong to me. I'd rather Tyrants as Elites. Or the ability to take Havocs as troops somehow. With fortifications. And artillery. Hnng!


Was 4chan not working for anyone else?

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Forge World Arkhadia

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Quite a few weekender pics already up on that Battle Bunnies blog run by Atia.

>>48318810
Yeah, seemed to be down. (Well, not down, but no new posts going up.) It happens sometimes.

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>>48318820
macrocarid-sempai, you have such thick, joocy... tracks

btw Inferno has been delayed (again). Now it's winter/spring release, instead of autumn/winter.

>>48318829
Those look pretty cool! Please tell me that there is news for the Iron Warriors?


Also, while the site was down I finished reading Angel Exterminatus and started The First Heretic.

Angel Exterminatus 10/10
The First Heretic isn't as interesting as I thought it'd be.

>>48318837
Poor Wizards and Corgis. At least this'll likely dispel the rumours regarding the new calth-esque box being Wizard and Corgi themed.

>>48318742
Was in last thread

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>>48318856
Nope, nothing for Iron Warriors.

Vultarax, the two Secutarii types, Macrocarid, UM Shield upgrades, Moritat, Power Scythes.

The new stuff: Vigil storm shields and iliastus assault cannon upgrade packs, more Knight heads added to the upgrade pack.

At least the thousand sons look fly as fuck

>>48318874
>Vultarax
Do they have rules yet? Model changed any from the last time we saw it?

>>48318874
>Nope, nothing for Iron Warriors.
I am a sad burger. When will they give the legions the models for their unique units?

>>48318874
>Vigil storm shields
>tfw bought some deathwing SS yesterday.
Please tell me they look shit anon.

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What's "Malinax"? A mechanicum group or something?

>>48318915

Knight Household from Xana.

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>>48318900
Well...

>>48318915
I think it's a Kight House

>>48318830
Am I the only one who thinks it looks kind of shitty?

>>48318874
How do the Power scythes look? Pics? Any other DG goodies?

Is there a normal timeline on how long it takes them to put the models from an open into production? I assume something like scythes could come out pretty quick.

>>48318925
A single-headed eagle? Is that the Emperor's Raptor icon from the Unification time?

>>48318925
They look stupid!

They look okay.

Burger is mad at the lack of IW things.And hungry.

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>>48318936
Yeah, they're way over the top. Had they been more like Pollux they would have been sweet, but this...

>>48318940

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>>48318915

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>>48318925
Fuck.

>>48318940
>Is there a normal timeline on how long it takes them to put the models from an open into production?
In reality, it should be no more than a day or two unless titan-sized models. In GW time, half a year is the least you may expect.

>>48318829
MY FUCKING DICK

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>>48318964
WELLLLLL.......

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>>48318892
No, the model's finalized. No rules on display, not for sale, but maybe one of the employees will drop some deets.

>>48315352
Obviously Alpha Legion.

>>48318989
Fucking Christ is that cool looking though. Even for a Forgeworld display model they outdid themselves on the paint job.

>>48318983
>Ultramarines Breachers
Those look even stupider!
Wait, which legions have their own versions of regular units?

>SoH, Command Squad
>Ultramarines, Breachers
>Iron Hands, MkIII Tacticals w/Nuncio-vox, and Augur.

Am now angry burger. Who is also hungry.

I want at least a MkII or MkIII tac squad that comes with a nuncio-vox and stuff for my legion. I think it'd look cool.

>>48318989
So, lightning weapon and tl missile launcher?

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>>48319009
Yeah, the house malinax painter is a really great guy.

>>48318989
>Haywire gun
>>48318830
THICC

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I pity the unfortunate soul who has to deal with this.

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>>48319024
>Mfw
Fuck, its like they made that model as hard as possible to assemble.

>>48318923
>>48318927
>>48318960
Gotcha, cheers.

>>48319015
IF have a command squad, also the SoH Command squad is really Maloghurst and a Herald/Ancient.

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Okay yeah I forgot, the jetpack version of the Moritat we previously saw is new too.

>>48318959
Same scythes as deathshroud which makes sense. Thanks anon. Hope they are out soon.

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>>48319023
Here's a better view of the gun. Does it look like anything from the current armoury?

>>48319015
>Wait, which legions have their own versions of regular units?
What do you mean?
>Those look even stupider
They look nice, you're only angrily hungry. But as a lover of tower shields I'm just disapointed the IF only have access to dumb kite shields, the UM having the Scutum monopolio

>>48319024
Is that the Mastodon?

>>48319035
The IF too?
Okay then.

Okay.

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>>48319057
Yes

>>48319043
Looks like graviton.
>mfw a gravity-modifying gun on a flying robot misfires

>>48319043
Looks just like a Skitarii Arc Rifle, actually. I'm hype as a motherfucker for this release.

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Knight Porphyrion is huge. That means it has huge guts. Stomp and laser, stomp and laser!

>>48319037
>those ammo belts
>only 12 shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNf5wbBxI0E

Any rules for the Secutarii yet?

>>48319075
Anon, in this rules system a Knight's Avenger Gatling Cannon fires 12 shots in one shooting phase. This guy is doing that with a handgun. In each hand.

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[dakka intensifies]

>>48319074
Big!

>>48319049
>What do you mean?
Y'know, like how the Iron Hands have their own MkIII tactical squad that come with a Nuncio-vox, some other stuff, and has Iron Hands markings and stuff all over it.

>>48319091
>For the next year, FW make half their profits from selling these to BAngels.

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Here's a better shot of the Macrocarid to show its size. It's positively massive, holy shit.

>>48319024
Y'know... looking at that pic... I bet you could kitbash two predator and landraider kits to make it.

>>48318687
>Red Scorpion transfers get re-re-redone while everyone else gets discontinued, including Astral Claws
>Red Scorpions get their own Imperial Armour for the twenty-fifth time
>Red Scorpions get their seventy-second unique IC complete with model
>Red Scorpions get a Leviathan model before any legion

I've been REEEEEing even harder than you ever since they showed sneak preview slides of IA14.

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Coupe of small extra things. Atomantic Pavise now has a proper model. I thought it was possible to take the pavise and missiles, but not like this...

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>>48319126
Arachnus Pattern Lascannons.

>>48319126

So that's what that thing was. I assumed it was a new top mount weapon due to its slot location. I like the way it looks though it's high tech and busy looking like most FW vehicles compared to the simple and rounded Deredeo.

I also love lascannons but the single giant barrel doesn't look as aggressive as the standard quad barrel AC.

>>48319126
>I thought it was possible to take the pavise and missiles, but not like this...
No, the rules never allowed it.

>>48319122
>Red Scorpions love
They're FWs special baby. They will always get first dibs. Every other FW legion are NPCs to them.

>>48319126
>>48319134

Have you seen the new dorito weapon in the latest book?

>>48319164
If FW had their way, they'd be one of the founding legions for sure.

>>48319168
Yes, 48", S10, Ap2, Heavy 2, Exoshock. If you pen, roll a d6. On a 4+ you deal an extra hit that ignores cover.

+50 points though, it's... expensive on an expensive frame.

>>48319134
Huh, well I guess that explains why the new dorito lascannons weren't twin linked in the book.

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>>48319126
I can't stop thinking that that thing on the top looks like a set of cop lights. What the hell.

>>48319088
But a bolt pistol's magazine is 10 shots — shooting 20 times would be a breeze. Albeit both this model and Johnny six-guns are damn sweet

>>48319194
>WEEE OOOOO WEEEEE OOOOOO WEEEEE OOOO
>ATTENTION CITIZENS, THE RECAST POLICE HAS ARRIVED

>>48319194

Assault your enemy's vehicles with it and go "DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST YOU WERE GOING"

>>48319075
>those >>48319091 ammo belts
>only 4 shots

>>48319200
>shooting 20 times would be a breeze

In several turns. Meanwhile the gatling gun with a rate of fire in the thousands of rounds per minute can pump 20 shots without even trying.

>>48319242
From speaking with the employees:

- Scoria in development.
- Mechanicum style knight parts under development for all chasis types
- All myrmidon weapons designed
- New drone is a flyer and maybe nasty vs Spartans (think ad mech haywire gun)

>>48319294
Will the legions that don't have their own models get them any time soon? I mean, at least the BAngles amd IF are happy about the Assault Cannons.

>>48319300
Yeah, can't wait for IW to finally get some models.

>>48319310
I want Havocs. So badly.

Like, if Tyrants were Elites I'd probably care for them more, but BS5 Lascannons and/or Shrapnel Bolters just sounds like too much fun.

>>48319310
Imagine if Fulmentarii arrives before Tyrants. Oh the rage

>>48314913
Try to get topspikes, the left and centre are great but the rightmost is just a wigwam, tanks could ramp over that.

Following on from last thread's talk about walkers, who could accept making exceptions for Knights and larger walkers moving over tank traps? Say that it counts as difficult and dangerous terrain for SHW, for instance.

>>48319324

IW fags need to be as bitter as their Primarch. It's why FW deliberately ignore them.

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>>48319324
>>48319331
Do not anger the hungry and tired burger plz.

>>48314954
Melta bombs have been a situational thing in armys on either side of the Heresy for a while now, and continue to be. If your list needs some anti-tank spuzz and there's a unit you reckon will come within 13 inches of enemy tanks at some point in the game, through them on.

Combat Shields are basically making Assault Marines Mini-nators once they're in combat. Meanwhile power weaponry is fair value for granting a bit of sting without putting the unit overboard. Slapping both on a fullsize squad isn't cheap but it's entirely within the bounds of sanity as well. You can go further and put Apothecaries and ICs into the unit without crossing that line.

>>48315171
I just flipped through the rules to see what you were talking about, I totally missed that. Frankly, here's what I'd do to Moritats:

- Remove the increased odds of Overheat
- Reduce the cost of a Moritat to 35pts
- Replace starting weaponry with Bolt Pistol, Volkite Serpenta and Plasma Pistol, and forbid all weapon upgrades other than exchanges for other pistols

>>48316947
Honestly I'm always surprised when people continue to know nothing about 30K. I'd have thought interest and knowledge would've gone wildfire by now, but it really continues to be a niche.

In any case, welcome to club.

>>48314954
>>48319351
>Now that assault marines are a thing
This. The Reaping's troops now assault marines and Heavy sw, who cares about no-running now. Or assault marines riding the Ironfire and actually making something of Fearless.
Damn son.

>>48319370
Do I still get punched in a dick if I swap a pistol for Hand Flamer? Infinite hits till everything within 8" that can be harmed is dead.

>>48319397
Chain fire is not allowed for weapons that do not roll to hit - so no template weapons allowed.

>>48319397
Not anymore, you fuck.

>>48319397
>Do I still get punched in a dick if I swap a pistol for Hand Flamer? Infinite hits till everything within 8" that can be harmed is dead.
Can't do that anymore, I'm afraid.

>>48319395
>Or assault marines riding the Ironfire and actually making something of Fearless.
But, I don't really like Assault Marines.

>>48319403
>>48319408
>>48319411
>>48319415
He never said he was going to use the infinit flamers bullshit; he was asking if it was tolerable to have a flamer moritat now that it's fixed and there should be no stigma asociated with that.
You read.

>>48319411
>>48319415
>>48319408
Good. That was retarded blurb in the rules.

>>48314954
I play WE Bezerker Assault so what I'm probably going to do is run 1 20 man tac squad as inductii then have 2 20 man Assault Squads kitted. out with Power swords and Combat Shields to munch tac squads

>>48319425
>STILL punched in the dick
>infinite hits till everything within 8" that can be harmed is dead.

Nah, reading's for chumps!

>assault marines git gud
>got 21 MkIV suits lying around, doing nothing
>could make 20 + an apothecary
>just need jump packs

Hold me back or I might do something crazy.

>>48319458
They will be Tacticals and you will like it.

>>48319425
True, it seem I'm getting retarted along with several other people here.
>>48319397
>>48319403
Why would you get punched? It's just one hand flamer shot per weapon.

>>48319458
Nah. You go get 'em champ!

>>48319425
I actually meant the infinite hits. Its a nasty trick but my opponents always allowed it since you actually have to maneuver pretty well to get it off.

>>48319472
Fuc u m8

>>48319472
>infinite hits
It's been nerfed in the new Chain Fire rule.
The wording in your previous post implied you knew that.

>>48319458
It really annoys me that FW still haven't done seperate jump packs especially because some models have the option of taking them but don't come with them

>>48319031
I like the idea that Forge World puts three things in mind when designing a model/unit:

- points cost in the army
- money cost irl
- how balls-difficult it is to actually put the fucker together

They use all three as limitations for how often they want a model to turn up on the tabletop. Assembly is just a kiddie-barrier, so dad can win most of the time.

>>48319493
Sorry, I might have came out wrong. I didnt know they had changed it. My playgroup arent the most active players.

>>48319495
Which ones do you prefer? Sol-Harrier turbofans or the Sanguinary Guard ones?

How many points is the Lascannons upgrade for the Deredeo? I seem to have a version of the rules that only has the other two arm mounts.

>>48319531
fiddy

>>48319511
I'm a big fan of the sanguard ones, I've never looked into if recasters can do like 40 of a certain bit so I might have a look around

>>48319544

Jesus, 50 points to drop from 4 shots to 2? Better AP and all, but +2 strength isn't worth that much.

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>>48319495
GW sells their jump packs in sets of 5. They should be good, since similar style packs were used by assault marines in 1st edition Epic, set during the Horus Heresy. Been thinking about just getting them, maybe special ones from bits stores for the sergeant and apothecary.

Why is there only 6 slots in the AoD FOC? I've been saving that last slot for a Breacher unit (if we ever do see plastic MkIII), even got some conversion bits I want to put on them. Don't want that to go to waste, but don't like to have more units than FOC slots. Yet assault marines are cool now.

>>48319552
It also causes a second penetrating hit on a 4+ if the first one is a success, I believe.

>>48319506
It's excusable, we've had the new book only from yesterday.
Basically, hand flamers are not affected by Chain Fire so each one only hits once, and the rest of the pistols are limited to 12 hits in total.

>>48319187
>48", S10, Ap2, Heavy 2, Exoshock. If you pen, roll a d6. On a 4+ you deal an extra hit that ignores cover.
Btw, does this mean Thanatar Calix' 48" S10 single BS4 shot (upgradeable to BS5 costing 310pts total) is now obsolete?
What is the Calix for, if S10 melee is also delivered better by Cortus and Leviathans?

>>48319552
I guess the idea is that the autocannons may struggle against spartans etc. that are rocking psuedo-AV15. Haven't mathhammered it though, so don't know how much more useful those lascannons actually are.

>>48319583
The Calix was obsolete on arrival. It's eclipsed now, but never did it shine bright.

>>48319552

Also causes additional pens on a 4+ with no saves if you pen

A DA Ironwing Deredeo is basically the scariest thing ever, two BS 5 tankhunter Str 10 shots that cause additional pens on a 4+ while causing +1 damage on vehicle damage table will put down a whole hell of a lot of vehicles

And it can skyfire/interceptor, making it probably the scariest anti air unit in the game

>>48318687
grab the exclusives off ebay, official ones that is. I bought Autilon Skorr that way, came in a FW blister and everything. :) There are people that buy a whole bunch of them for that purpose. There is a mark-up, but in my opinion it wasn't excessive.

>>48319609
Seconding this, same experience, one Autilon Skorr is mine.

>>48319583

The only reason, even back when it was first released, to own a Calix was because you though the model was bitchen

The las cannon should have either been a large blast, or heavy 3, or a single str D shot (since as you've pointed out it costs almost as much as a knight but has barely more killing power then a las canon dread)

>>48319604

Eh, against jink you want number of glances, not quality of pens.

>>48319031
Given that they had huge production difficulties with earlier variants of the moulds, I imagine they broke the model up into smaller sections to more easily ensure high quality casts.

The end result is a model that comes in many many more parts than originally, but those parts should all be straight, rather than resin pretzels.

>>48319621
Large Blast is a tad far, maybe small blast and a 20pts discount

>>48319621
I hope they update its rules for IA14. Like you said, the model is bitching and I really want to use it in 40k.

>>48319603
>>48319621
Well...yeah. It was mainly a nice model but that was just it, lacklustre at both ranged or melee combat.
>Blast S10 Lascannon
Then it would suck against Spartans. Make the Solex Lascannon a D weapon, small blast.
At least the template graviton fist is nice

>>48319671

Not really, it would still cost more then two vindicators base, which can pump out 2 str 10 ordnance blasts

as it stands its also more then twice as expensive as two laser destroyer vindicators, which can pump out a total of 6 str 9 AP 1 ordnance shots that are twin linked

The Calix blows, it does need a serious buff

So with the chainaxe buff and Assault Marine points reduction is there even less of a point to rampagers

>>48319838
Not the mention Apothecaries can also buy jump packs now. Footslogging? More like jumpslogging.
...it sounds better in my mind, I swear

can someone recommend any good third party or bits site for mkIV jump packs?

>>48319676
Valid point, I forgot about Blast shields. D basically seems to be the way to go.

>>48319793
Well yeah, you can bring up comparisons like that but then I can bring up the fact that the Calix cannot suffer rolls on the vehicle damage chart, can fight back in close combat and overwatch, has better range etc. . Apples and oranges, the issue is the lack of power (or juicyness if to maintain thef ruit metaphor). Regardless my opinion is now D Small Blast.

>>48319838
I gotta wonder now, I can't see any ways for non-World Eater legions to get chainaxes on universal units in the new book. Was it always impossible, or have chainaxes been removed from certain options?

For World Eaters at least, Power Mauls have been made completely pointless. I suppose if units could buy chainaxes for 1-3pts and mauls for 10-15pts it would be a no-brainer for other legions too.

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Doesn't the Anvilus backpack have thrusters on it. Wonder if you could make some jump packs out of them. Old marine backpacks had jets in them as well.

Is there gonna be a panel at fw open day?

>>48320068
There are tons of third party jump packs. Kromlech, Spellcrow ect.

Getting plastic MK IV jump packs is hard, no site that ive seen carries them. Youre probably better of buying sanguinary guard boxes and getting rid of the spare bits afterwards.

>>48320072

The only non-WE unit I can think of that can take chainaxes are SoH reavers, though theirs scuttlebutt that SW might get them as well

Honestly, it seems like the kind of weapon that IW should have access to, big savage cleaving weapons to go along with their big save artillery pieces

>>48320171
>The only non-WE unit I can think of that can take chainaxes are SoH reavers
Also Blackshield marauders, or however they're called
>Honestly, it seems like the kind of weapon that IW should have access to
No. Power shovels when?
Honestly they'd be lucky to have dumpster-pattern knives

From the floor, speaking with the employees

>Space Wolves will get a special Destroyer unit, while 1k Sons will get a psyker assassin unit as legion specific stuff

>>48320229
>Space Wolves will get a special Destroyer unit
NOOOOOOOO. Why them?

>>48320248
Why not? Ashen Circle are also elite destroyers.

The wolves are described as fighting in horrifically destructive manners, seems like a good match.

>>48320248
Because they are the executioners of the emperor.

>>48320267
You know, DG are still due one specific unit.
Not asking destroyers for them, but I thought SW would get something about chainaxes and termies
>>48320275
Hurling warrior against warrior. The ones using Old Terra weaponry are the DA

>>48320165
thanks anon, I'm actually trying to avoid doing just that.

>>48320229
Booooooo!

>>48320296
I'm assuming SW and TS will get 3 units each, since that seems to be what FW is aiming for. Plenty of room for terminators on both sides (the Scarab Occult and V-something for the wolves)

>>48320171
Yeah, see "universal units". Reavers are not part of the question. I could swear normal Tacs and Praetors/Centurions could buy chainaxes for 1/2 pts, but I'll have to go and check my old books if no-one else remembers. I agree on IW, and SH, SW, WS, BA, maybe UM and DG wouldn't be out of place with chainaxes.

>>48320296
DG have that unit, it's called Grave Wardens. Destroyernator HW squads.

>in local store
>guy comes up with a mini to show off
>let me tell you about my Horus Heresy army it's a lost legion of female space marines
>model is a woman in terminator armour legs and arms with a bare torso and breasts

help me

>>48320402
Pics

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>>48320444
it was this model

>>48315620
Anyone else hate the hazard stripes on the iron warriors?

>>48317166
Imperial Fists. I play them in 40k and i love the fluff.
>>48319392
Thanks

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>>48315235
sort out that mold line my nigga

>>48320326
Neither they nor their command squad can buy chain axes, they can get heavy chainswords though.

>>48317679
>MkIII or bust, and I agree completely!
This nigger gets it

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Should I go with sponge weathering or without for my Sons of Horus?

Thinking of skipping it on infantry models and saving it for my tanks and aircraft.

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>>48320544
Airbrush stencils are your friend.
Anarchy Models makes a special Hazard Stripe stencil sheet.

http://www.anarchymodels.co.uk/hs35---hazard-stripes-63-p.asp

>>48317679
Yet there's art of IW in MkVI.

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Could these names be hints at units, or just fluff stuff? I suspect the latter, "cult of morkai" could be the equivalent of the red helmets/gauntlets other legions use for example.

>>48320864
You didn't include a tense, the question is "could they".

>>48320870
I think that'd be best- you have a really great green right now and I wouldn't be in a hurry to fuck with it too much. You could opt for some scratches here and there though.

>>48320954
not entirely relevant. The result is the same. They can not buy Chain Axes.

>>48320949
Morkai iirc is the fenrisian death god-wolf, so it could be a fluff thing, or it could be a mark for a unit, maybe something like slayer-type suicidal marines?

Not sure what Varyag is though

Void wolf is probably just a space thing

>>48321005

Atia on B&C mentioned the Space Wolves getting a special destroyer unit. Maybe the Morkai Cult are it.

>>48321005
>>48320949
I imagine the Void Wolf marking are for voidwar units, so that's probably something you'd find on drop pods.

>>48320906
I'm going to go with the pre perturabo corpse grinder colors. Same coloration, just no hazard stripes. I dislike how they look.

>>48321005

It literally means viking, but it's sometimes used to refer to the Varangian Guard.

They look like banner symbols though so they might be meant for unit banners.

Iron warriors, so practical and yet they have pointless hazard stripes.

>>48321054
An entirely valid and cool option.
Should work just fine indeed.

>>48321001
Negative.

>>48321072
they look pretty good without them in my opinion, the brass in contrast with the weathered gunmetal looks great without hazard stripes

>>48321121
I want to use the world eaters mk2 helms though, a mix of standard mk2 and their Templar esque helms. Considering using green stuff to fill in the little holes some of the world eaters helms have to make them look sleeker.

More from the floor:

>Both Mastodon and Triaro may get a second build, heavy weapon variants

>>48320870
I'd do it, but in a more limited fashion. A bit on the feet, the knee pads, etc. just to help some of the plates separate.

>>48321005
>Void wolf is probably just a space thing
You'd almost think that they'd be called......Space Wolves....

>>48321161
I asked if the Mastodon might have other variants, and lo and behold, if you speak of the devil he appears.

>>48321161
How big a gun can we fit on that massive Mastodon Hull....

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>>48321204
Maybe as big as pic related.

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>>48321204
>give it a titanic flame cannon
>drive up to a fort
>blow a hole into it with melta cannons
>stick front through the hole
>open doors
>pic related

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>>48321192
>>48321204
Oh my...

>>48320337

Not that I want to be one of those have your cake and eat it too kind of players, but I feel like grave wardens should have 2 wounds, even if it means bumping up their cost

Hell, that'd be a cool way to distinguish the "tough" legions

>Salamanders get good invuls/access to eternal warrior

>IH get that ranged resistance + better invuls and when headless is around they get FNP everywhere (and FNP on all their special units)

>Death Guard get more wounds and resistance to poisons

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>>48321072
>>48321155

Is it just me or is this weekender pretty disappointing so far? There's been a few bits of artwork, a few hints and whispers, but very few models that we haven't seen before. I'd be mildly irked if I'd paid to go along.

>>48321292

Ow, and when Morty is around the DG don't even play the moral game, Stubborn, immune to fear and Pinning

>>48320171
>when chainaxes were shit
>haha fuck you WE you suck they arent even free
>now that chainaxes are good
>waaaa why do WE get chainaxes i want chainaxes everybody should get chainaxes
eat dick

>>48321251
Hmm BBQ

>>48321271
Wouldn't an Ion Cannon be too advanced for the Mechanicum?
Wouldn't be very reliable if they built it.

>>48321323
It's not a weekender, but an open day, more low-key than the weekender event.

>>48321335
Replace "ion" with "volkite". Giant volkite gun that occupies the entire hull. It's a gun with wheels, the legion equivalent to the ordinatus.

>>48321330
Has there been some changes recently? Where can I read about these?

>>48319838
>chainaxe buff
What buff?

>>48321335
>Wouldn't an Ion Cannon be too advanced for the Mechanicum?
Why?

>>48321363

Chainaxes are +1str ap4 according to the new red book.

>>48321361
chainaxes are +1 strength now, its in the new redbook.

now all of a sudden everybody wants them. boo hoo.

wolves will probably get a special unit with access to them, though

What's the cost of chainaxes again?

>>48321368
High density energy beams aren't exactly the Mechanicums strong point at this point in History.
Volkite guns are basically at the peak of what they can pull off in that field.
And even those are very high maintenance, temperamental weapons.

A focussed beam of plasma would be a serious challenge to them, plasma bolts they can manage, beams not so much, and even then overheating is a serious possibility.

And all of this is reclaimed technology for the most part, not developed or invented, just recovered.
It's better than it is in 40K, but they're still quite dogmatic about technology.

>>48321369
>>48321373
>Chainaxes are +1str ap4
Ha! I knew that my dedication for the 12th legion would be rewarded. We Rage with Hatred and +1S AP4 now!

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>>48321443
>Inductii are now S6

Praise be Nails-for-brains

>>48321414
They're free for assault marines

>>48321330
Heh, try and steal this, EC!
Where my duelling chainaxes at?

>>48319545
>>48320165
A certain Chinaman that goes by the name CCoN sells the MkIV backpacks from the Sanguinary Guard in multiples of 5

>>48321443
Have you seen the assault marine price drop?

>>48321511
Is there a single unit in the LAAoD list that uses the chainaxe? Is it just units in the legions book? If so, why even put the stats for the chainaxe into the book if no unit can have them?

>>48321565
If there's more, please share it. I have been thinking of getting B@C for a while now and I think this has sealed the deal

>>48320229
Yuck. I hope they don't even get chainaxes on their iconic wolf destroyers; that's already the Ashen Circle's job with their axe rakes.
>Mfw the Wolves get the Destroyer rite instead of the DA, DG and WB

>>48321603
assault marines are 305 points for 20 of them. they blew tactical squads the fuck out

>>48321603
basically they lowered the starting cost of Tacticals by 25 points.
Assault Squads got reduced by 75 points
And Breachers were reduced by 25 points as well.

Cost per additional marine was lowered as well, making them a very competitive choice overnight.

>>48321624
And for 60pts. extra they're get same Inv. save as Breachers.

>>48321323
Weekenders cost £70. Open Day costs less than £20 and is only 1 day with no seminars. Don't expect too much.

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>>48321624
>~1/4 price drop
CSM codex can go fuck itself, I'm switching to Heresy

So are we getting previews for any future releases today? Isn't there always a seminar with previews at this time?

>>48321677
Effectively, it's as if breachers had the option of buying jump packs for less than one point (for 20 men squads)

>>48321704
check Battle Bunnies
https://battlebunnies.blogspot.nl/

Plenty of updates from today with upcoming units.

>>48321704
That's at weekender events, not Open Days.

>>48321704
Considering Warhammer World closes at 18:00 on Sundays I doubt anymore stuff is being shown.

>>48321574
>Is there a single unit in the LAAoD list that uses the chainaxe
yeah, everything thats a WE.

deal with it.

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Heresy bros, how/which colors would you base an army of these beautiful fuckers?

>>48321696
And this is how HH ends.

>>48321330

I play Death Guard, while I certainly think that thematically the autismos sons should have access to them I don't really give a fuck otherwise

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Git hype for mechanicum upgrade sprues.

>>48321793
>butthurt WE player detected

All I did was ask why the weapon is in the book when no unit in it uses it.

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>>48321817

>>48321313
Hazard stripes a toopid

>>48321837
funny, all of my units use it and they are from the book.

you werent complaining about it being in the last book, you know, when its rules were shit. :^)

>>48321860
Wrecked
>>48321859
Fight me irl

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30k Mechanicum units look so good (40k ones too)

Urge to start painting again rises.