Pathfinder General /pfg/

Oohhh boy, wasn't that fun?

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How I rule hardness for robots?
I make them immune to damage coming from normal metal weapons, even if are magical, until their plates are sunder? Make adamantite weapons do only half damage to them until hardness points are out?

>>48255358
Or you can not use gimmicks and just roll with the usual DR.

>>48255290
>mod being enough of an asshat to delete perfectly valid threads in order to make his own thread
welp

>>48255358
You look at how hardness works on Iron Gods robots, and do that.

>>48255382
gimmicks are way more interesting than simply having to hit the thing a dozen more times

What are some really rapey spells on the Mesmerist spell list?
Besides Unnatural Lust, Sleep, Hold and Dominate line.

>>48255802
>[any initiator] 4
Aegis is best for that as it can change maneuvers known as a standard action and also provides various utility options through the astral suit.
Aegis/Harbinger or Aegis/Warder combos are godlike.

>>48255551
You're making a distinction without a difference.

>>48255382
Better than the fuckers ruining the previous threads.
Fucking chill all of you fuckfaces. Goddamn asshats.

>>48255290
Previous thread:
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>>48243094

dead game dead thread

>>48256248
Did it devolve into a flame war thanks to Buildposter's "Today I will show you Deadly Aim is bad lol :^)" rant?

>>48256417
A good thing Gareth rekt the fucker.

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>>48256417
It looks like it, what a fucking clusterfuck though.

But enough of that. Does anyone give a shit about this book? It looks like it's going to be pretty meh.

>>48256456
Eh might be funny

>>48256456
>New archetypes ranging from the dragonheir scion to the wyrmwitch, allowing players to access draconic appearances as well as lore, powers, and spells.
>Ways for characters to enlist drakes and lesser dragons to serve as allies, improved familiars, and even flying mounts.
>New draconic bloodlines for bloodragers and sorcerers, allowing eldritch abilities based on esoteric, imperial, outer, and primal dragons.

Actually I stand corrected, dragon mounts might be good. Rest of it looks kind of meh though.

>>48256503
That actually sounds like something that might not be too terrible.
I love me some dragons.

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>>48256523
I don't know why but many of the players I GMed for who have an interest into dragons also seem quite interested into muscle grow.
This is the art of a kobold character that played in my Kingmaker campaign, he did some "kingdom founding" for get this xboarg hueg.

>>48256607
I'm more into the whole power and greed aspect of chromatic dragons.
But good for your player that they can live their dream of being a bara kobold.

>>48256632
I am a benevolent GM and I didn't see anything wrong about this.

We were promised edited/rewritten feats, where the fuck are they?

>>48253000
I think this was my favourite reaction


I believe this was previous thread
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>>48256844
Woops,hahah

Meant to respond to you with the post address, not your post address.
>>48252335

>>48256437
If you call throwing an embarrassing hissy fit, sure.

>>48256964
The thread before that one was kind of an example as to why we don't need people who don't hold a position to be using names.

Several people were spamming the BUILDPOSTER name, I think we'd be better off if anyone who didn't represent a 3pp just went anon.

Except for QANON, we have to trust the legitimacy of her files.

>>48257004
We don't need named fuckers at all.

>>48257004
One day QANON is going to sneak her homebrew in and pass it off as a published 3pp book.

>>48257004
I actually kind of like buildposter using a name, since it makes him easier to filter. It would be better if he was just banned, of course.

>>48257044
FUCKING WORD!

>>48257059
HOW DO YOU FILTER?

>>48257097
I can't even remember if it's vanilla or not anymore, but go get 4chanX, I'm pretty sure it's unique to those extensions.

To the right of every post you have a drop down menu, you can hide, delete, filter or archive them.

In this case, filter by name.

>>48256456

It doesn't include a dragon empire, so it's shit.

>>48257132
>>48257097
settings >filters and post hiding > filter and highlight specific... >edit
You can filter by text in the post proper, by name or by tripcode.

>>48257159
And yes, it's a part of the native extension. So no need to download 4chanX or what have you.

>>48257179
Oh good. Thanks, friend.

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>>48257152

>tfw the only kingdom that's halfway decent for conquest in Golarion is Molthune, a country we hardly hear anything about.

Am I the only one that feels like the River Kingdoms could have seen more (and better) action as a place worth adventuring/conquering if it was around Lake Encarthan rather than up north in the ass-end of nowhere?

Like, everything around that lake can be moved somewhere else and nothing changes.

>>48257228
River Kingdoms was obviously intended heavily for players who want "politics and war" because all the river kingdoms are constantly shifting power structures and nations.
Molthune vs Nirmathas is meant to just sort of be a tense border conflict, promoting gameplay revolving around smuggling and plots.

>>48257526
>River Kingdoms was obviously intended heavily for players who want "politics and war" because all the river kingdoms are constantly shifting power structures and nations.

I can see that, I'm just saying they're so out of the way from the Inner Sea (action central) that people aren't really going to either care about conquering them, or even visiting them.

People want to conquer France or Britain, they don't want Livonia.

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>>48257228
>>48257526
>>48257569

The River Kingdoms would have been much more interesting if they were a legitimate empire ran in the same way as the HRE, with each kingdom being a duchy and the Prince Electors constantly fighting for greater representation in the Diet.

Brevoy could have still been Not!Poland, now with a Bohemia or Pomerania analogue right next door.

Is it a mistake to focus on encounters that highlight players talents and abilities? Is it wrong to put in creatures that have weaknesses to something one of the players has and swap it up each encounter or is it okay? I'm a fan of giving players 'good match ups' and 'bad match ups' but I want /pfg/s opinion.

>>48257569
I think the point was more that River Kingdoms are meant to be played on their own, the players are meant to travel to there and be able to conquer them BECAUSE they are in bumfuckistan.
Trying to conquer someone next to Cheliax, Korvosa, Andoran blah blah blah probably leads to an "intervention" by them.
>>48257640
I dont see much wrong with that. Sometimes you can even do both in the same encounter, like have a horde of mid tier dudes vulnerable to electricity (robots?) but throw in a flesh golem or shambling mound. MAKE THEM CHOOSE.

>>48257640

I'd do it maybe once for each character in a campaign.

Preferably early on, so everyone gets a chance to show off their abilities to the rest of the party so once the gimmick fights stop, everyone knows what everyone else is good or bad at.

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so I want to make a character that accomplishes 3 things.
1: I want to have boatloads of life
2:I want to deal gobs of damage
3:I want to get BIG

Utility and movement and anything else thats useful is just getting in the way of my character being BIG and DUMB, in fact, intelligent tactical feats for accessible big damage like pummeling style and pounce are also unneeded.
I just wanna be a huge dumb stronk tough guy.

>>48257729
Barbarian.

>>48257729
Barbarian or Psychic Warrior. Psywars use Wisdom rather than Int, can take "Psionic Body" to get +2 hp for every psionic feat they have (including that one), can use vigor for a "False life" style giant pool of temporary hp and can use "Expansion" to grow to very big sizes.

>>48257729
Barbarian, hands down. And you'll be useful to, and maybe eventually be able to sunder magic while you're at it.

If you don't wanna deal with maths all the time, Unchained Barbarian is okay.

>>48257729
Aegis

>>48257772
NO SURVIVORS!
I want to tackle huge flying creatures out of the sky after being launched by a catapult.

>>48257729

Abyssal bloodline Bloodrager

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>>48257818
Seems relevant.

How do you handle character death and subsequent replacement, /pfg/?
Normally I would do the usual, that is, giving the player wealth by level and writing the new character in somehow in the next session.
At what point does death start feeling 'cheap'?

I'm playing in one campaign right now as a Paladin sworn to protect his friends. It's difficult when party members drop like flies, for example the sorcerer flies past the party in front of a ranged initiator and, well, drops like a fly.

>>48257729
Consider Stalker (Brutal Slayer)
Hit Die isn't the largest but you can dump DEX and pump STR and CON a fuckton.

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>>48257828
>>48257780
>>48257757
BIGGER! HUGE-ER!!!

>>48257864
In any game where the story is worth a damn and people get really in depth and attached to their characters, death out of the blue should be avoided unless the player agrees it's thematically appropriate.

Yes this might kick up a harsh reply from that 'why roll dice at all if you're afraid of what will happen' guy but they're angry and wrong

>>48257913
You couldn't be more wrong. If you want to write a story, then write a story. If you want to play a game, then play a damn game.

>>48257913
I had some characters I've been so attached to it took me weeks to get over them. A death to a random save or die without any narrative significance would piss me of quite badly on such a character.

>>48257954
On schedule, thanks for not letting me down anon.

>tfw one of my players is sperging about his guaranteed backstabs with Hidden Master
>tfw I have no intention of actually running this campaign for 20 levels.

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>>48257881
Some options:
Primal Warrior Stance (path of war)
Get your caster buddy to eventually give you Enlarge Person with Permanency.
Impact Weapon enhancement.
The Powerful Build Aegis customisation.
All of the above stack with each other.

One of my players is making a Fighter with an archetype that trades away Armor Training. He still wants to use some of the advanced armor training abilities though, so he wants to have a Sash of the War Champion (treat your Fighter level as 4 higher for Armor Training) so that he can access them.

Should I allow it? Seems like it would set a bad precedent for similar items, plus it's really just a method of trying to sneak around the limitations of his archetype.

>>48258033
Fighter is a shit class as is, have pity on his poor soul.

>>48257913
Our GM's general policy is, he doesn't take killing characters lightly unless we do something really stupid.
Unfortunately, we're not the most competent party in that regard.

What are the most effective disciplines for a ZweiSent?

>>48258074
Broken Blade with either a sansetsukon or weapon group adaptation and a greatsword.

>>48257881

Giant Form II

>>48257729
Sorcerer. Crossblood pit-touched/draconic, eldritch heritage orc, get into dragon disciple prc, form of the dragon, and laugh at martials with your str of around 50.

>>48258105
Fuck off

>>48257729
>>48258146
Don't forget to pick up Blood Money as a spell-known.

>>48256417
>did math to try to figure out which attacks I should use deady aim on, and which I shouldn't.
>discovered that if I need more than a 11 to hit then DA is a bad idea mathematically.
>Post it, make sure my math is right with several other annons.
>Gareth gets buttdevastated for some reason
>Some annons start shitposting a full speed
Some times I have no idea why everyone gets so upset.

>>48258295
I think gareth is triggered when someone does math.

>>48258170
He isn't wrong. whyyoumad.jpg?

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>>48258146
THIIIICCCCKKK

>>48258074
What is your goal with zweihander sentinel? Tank that does damage or killer that sometimes tanks?

>>48258486
It is a hard counter to a couple of things you might fight once or twice.

>Huge advantage in maybe one or two fights
>minor advantage in most fights

It's a was I say.

>>48258547
True, but most ethereal creature aren't hard fights if you see them coming.

If you gave the Fighter +1 to any ability score at level 3, and every odd level beyond that, would that be enough to make it go up a tier?

>>48258631
No, bigger numbers doesn't make them more versatile ability wise.

>>48258646
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/phaseSpider.html

Not too scary if it doesn't get it's free "suprise round full attack" thing. If you know where it is then you can ready to hurt it when it becomes etherial.

>>48258631
Fighters don't have a numbers problem. Fighters already deal plenty damage.

Fighters have a "interacting with things other than HP" problem.

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Anybody have a decent guide for playing a dervish dancer?

>>48258631
Even if it was, that would be incredibly clunky solution within the framework of the game.

>>48258687
...The bard archetype? I've built one before, so I could help you out a bit.

>>48258403
>What is your goal with zweihander sentinel? Tank that does damage or killer that sometimes tanks?

I want it all. All of it.

I want to tell people to fuck off when they try to get by me, but then fuck their day up on my turn. Something with sticking power and killing power.

I'm thinking that might be Elemental Flux, Piercing Thunder and Primal Fury, but I'm not sure.

>>48257864
Typically it starts feeling cheap when you're past level 10 or so, since it's difficult to find people that powerful wandering around.

>>48258687
Fukken saved

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>>48258752
Lucerne might be fun., especially if you're already going Piercing Thunder

Plus it is the sexiest weapon

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>>48258752
Piercing Thunder and Primal Fury sound great, haven't used Elemental Flux much but it sounds fun.
Golden Lion if you also want to harness the power of friendship, or perhaps to babysit the little maggots.

That said, I'm used to a Large sized ZweiSent buddy who fucks everyone up. Large works maybe too well for Warders.

>>48258712
I was mostly just looking for a decent level 10 build for a one shot to copy.

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I made a thing.

Does anyone have any attack routines that they want to compare?

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>>48256456
I want to be hype for it but I know it'll just be a disappointment like the Spymaster's Handbook. I know it won't fix dragon disciple, unfuck the magus archetype, or anything else of the sort so I can't be excited.

I eagerly await leaks anyway though, just so I can get the disappointment over with.

>>48259110

How are you supposed to cuddle that girl if she's got all those spinedys?

What was the name of that one devil/demon in 3.5e where they worked in squads that shared the same HP for all the members?

I'm trying to create the Abyss Watchers.

>>48259129
She's the big spoon.

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>>48259191

>she will never wrap her wings around you while spooning.

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>>48259102
My bow fighter does quite a bit more damage than my zen archer. Weapon training gives results.

I still think the zen archer is the better build though.

>>48258687
Grab a single level dip in Swashbuckler (either vanilla or Whirling Dervish) so you can actually get some useful weapon choices out of the deal, easy Weapon Finesse, bump up your BAB to be better at your job, and use the Deeds like Derring-Do to help mitigate the loss of your skill versitility, and riposte for sticky situations.

After that, select mostly utility and defensive, and maybe some antimagic stuff, spells to shore up your versatility, since you've already got some combat potency.

Prioritize Dex and Cha, keep Con relatively high along with Wis, avoid dumping Str too far, Int is your dumpstat

With Razor Kiss, you will now spend a good amount of time critfishing, and your bonuses to Speed and Reflex can help you charge and attack high priority targets.

Useful feats would include Weapon Focus, Slashing Grace, and Combat Reflexes, Antagonize, Combat Reflexes, and the like

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Here is the comparisin on deadly aim for a bow fighter.

As the opponents AC goes lower, deadly aim has significant gains on no deadly aim. As the opponents AC goes higher, Normal attacks win out.

The break even point is at 28 AC, or when the fighter needs to roll a 4 on the d20 to hit without using deadly aim.

This suggests that deadly aim might not be the "mandatory feat" that all ranged builds have it as.

>>48257729
I'm gonna side with >>48257828 and say bloodrager, except go Destined. Absolutely nuts defensive abilities (grab that robe of heritage to get 95% fortification earlier) for the boatloads of life, a shit ton of damage with buffs and can get BIG with raging, buffs and especially Enlarge Person. That big enough for you?

>>48259357
I would say that the arcane bloodline is better. Getting a swift action self-cast mirror image is a lot better than ignoring some crits.

>>48259367
Looking at Arcane Bloodline, they don't get Mirror Image from any of their abilities. You may well be right (getting displacement+protection from energy+Transformation whenever you rage is nuts) but Destined strikes me as much nicer, especially as 'some crits' is basically 'all crits'. Yes you don't get to ignore sneak attacks, but that's what Blur is for.

That said I might be biased, as I did see a Destined bloodrager in action when I haven't seen the others.

>>48259428
I was referring to using the metamagic rager archetype to start a fight with haste and mirror image on the first turn. It lets you just ignore your AC completley because you have decent saves and HP.

Aberrant bloodrager is also interesting. Using a reach weapon can give you crazy-bullshit reach on your attacks.

>>48259320
That works on the assumption that your main attack bonus on your first iterative is +24 though, with the expected bonus on the following attacks. It doesn't account for what happens if the bonus on your attack rolls is higher than that. Increasing the bonus to hit only shifts the AC where a normal attack becomes better to a higher number (presumably by the same number that the attack bonus was increased), but at some point you've shifted that AC to a high enough number that it's not relevant- none of your CR appropriate challenges are likely to have an AC that high.

Since I don't see any indication of what level this archer is, I can't really speculate on optimized its to-hit is or how much further it can be optimized to increase it. I'm making the assumption, based on the number of attacks it is getting, that it's an 11th level Fighter. That makes the bonus seem pretty reasonable to me at first glance (taking somewhat conservative estimates of weapon enhancement and DEX score, plus Haste), but having never played a dedicated archer before I have no idea if there are other miscellaneous bonuses that could be eked out that I'm unaware of. Though my source for this is rather dated, I believe the mean AC doesn't exceed 27 until CR 14 and the mode until CR 13. For a level 11 character, these are likely going to be the strongest opponents they should be facing, in battles that should be against only one enemy (which typically favors the PCs unless the enemy is so strong that it becomes a total blow out). More frequently, they will probably be fighting a larger number of lower CR enemies.

Anyway, nothing that hasn't been said before, but that's my two cents.

>>48258486
Depends on your campaign. Ethereal Sight is pretty unique. Any campaign with ghosts or ethereal creatures, being able to notice them right away is very useful.

In campaigns without many shenanigans, a +1 on saving throws would be far more useful.

>put players up against Troglodyte Alchemist in level 20 one-shot
>18 (base con) + 4 (trog) + 6 (pit born) + 6 (belt) + 5 (levels) + 6 (rage) + 8 (mutagen) + 8 (dragon shape III) + 6 (simulacrum of that one bitch) = 67 con
>saves were beyond decent, with superstition were pretty damn good (VMC barbarian)
>has a protector familiar

All in all he had more than 1000 effective health. It was fun watching the players grow confused after 600 wondering if he had someway to make damage not matter. That on top of DR, temp HP, regen, and more he appeared to have quite a lot of health.

>>48259563
>That works on the assumption... AC that high.
The problem is that a lot of CR appropriate enemies actually do have a really high AC. Pazio just seems to love giving everything +20 natural armor to keep their ac where it "should" be. This is especially important when fighting CR=APL+4 enemies, as their AC is even higher.

>Since I don't see... lower CR enemies.
I make all of my builds for level 12, and yea while this isn't "100% mathematically perfect DPR fighter" it is decent. I need to update it because there were some item nerfs but this is close to what a fighter of that level would look like if they went the "autistic bow wielder" route.

Here is a good source of info for average monster stats:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=3

>Anyway, nothing that hasn't been said before, but that's my two cents.
Thanks for the feedback.

>>48259650
That is the same source I use for my information on typical monster stats, including for the post you are responding to, but I have no idea how up-to-date it is. I've been assuming it's out of date because I've not noticed any line stating it gets update or what the most recent bestiary it accounts for is, and I'm pretty sure I found it before the latest bestiary had been released.

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So I wanted to work up an archetype for the Alchemist, both to see how a spontaneous-extracting Alchemist might work, and to add some support for a sea-faring setting I'm starting to work on.

I'm sure I'll have to work on the wording and clean it up a bit, this is just a first draft. Mostly worried about the overall power level at this point, and if the mechanics are easy enough to understand.

Thoughts?

>>48259746
Shit, already found a mistake. That's supposed to be a bonus to Profession (Brewer) checks equal to your Alchemist level, just like the normal Craft (Alchemy) bonus.

>Fortified brew
>+1/2 your level to attack, damage, will as a swift action
how about no?

>>48259473
Oh true, I'm more a primalist man myself though. Also is it me or does Metamagic Rager not actually need Arcane bloodline, while you can get round 1 mirror image+haste via standard Greater Bloodrage.

>>48259819
Level+Int. per day, not at will. Just like Bombs, just with more versatility.

I will say that I have been thinking about doing half level instead of level to daily uses, since it is quite a bit more versatile than bombs.

>>48259888
I just realised primalist and metamagic rager stack. I'm a spoon!

>>48259888
>>48259913
You can get it via level 12 greater rage, but getting it earlier is better. YOu can also get another effect instead.

Starting the fight with three spells cast on yourself for free at level 12 is really nice.

>>48259819
>>48259898
Ah, wait, sorry, I thought you thought it was at will, I forgot I'd put the Will bonus in there last minute. Anyway, you can get half level to attack and damage as a swift action with an Investigator and one Talent, and that is at will, so I don't really see the problem here.

I think I will change the Will bonus to just Will saves vs. fear, though, since that does fit the flavor a bit better anyway.

>>48259950
>Will bonus to just Will saves vs. fear
might as well get rid of it then.

>>48259971
If nothing else, it makes a good ribbon for the ability, what with it being alcohol-based and all. Whether you think it's useful or not, it makes for good flavor.

>>48259996
I guess. True.

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Lord of the Lash anon here. My flight got pushed back to 1500 hours, so I've got time for a few posts.

Now, I'm not going to post the Lord of the Lash again, but instead I have some question.

I've also been planning Initiating Archetypes for other classes as well, and I need some help with theming and ideas.

MY other plans in the works are:

>Eagle Eye Sniper (Slayer)
I cannot for the life of me determine what should be the Init Modifer for this one.

>Hunter
Am trying to determine what would be a good theme/gimmick to build this archetype around. Some sort of unique flavor to make it feel more than just "Initiating Hunter".
Also I'm having a hard time deciding whether to replace the Casting wholesale, or just diminish the casting like Warpath Followers.

>Gunslinger
Same as with the Hunter, I need theming before I can get started. Gunslinger deserves so much more than it does, and I also need a way to separate it from Gunsmoke Mystic and Privateer
been considering using either Bloodborne or the old guy from Boondock Saints as inspiration, but I'm not completely sold on either idea.

I also have some plans for Magus (War Weaver) and Summoner (Platinum Invoker (name temporary)), and Antipaladin (Corrupt Herald) but that's not important at the moment.


Also, once I have all my homebrew stuff done, I plan on making "Iconic Sample Characters" for each one. As such I'd like to poll you guys for what Races you'd want them all to be.
So far I have planned
>at least 2 humans (undecided)
>a Female Drow (Lord of the Lash)
>a Male Dwarf (Undecided, but most likely either Seneschal or Eagle Eye Sniper)
>a male Samsaran (undecided, but will most likely be the gunslinger and be based slightly off of this song https://youtu.be/aFkcAH-m9W0
Any other races/types of characters you all would want for the iconics?

>>48259942
Entirely true too, but while arcane bloodline does things you can already do via metamagic rager and greater bloodrage, Destined gives you stuff you don't get by default (Sizable luck bonuses, cheating death consistently and ignoring most crits). A lot of the time having lots of spells up in 1 round is just gravy compared to having them up across two rounds anyway. For example, looking at mirror image+haste the latter is an absolutely tiny buff in the opening round, unless you're Pouncing or you start within full attack range.

>>48260036
Or if you are ambushed, but yea, I also agree.

One of the reasons I like the class is that there are several ways to build it well.

>>48260024
>>Eagle Eye Sniper (Slayer)
>I cannot for the life of me determine what should be the Init Modifer for this one.
Slayer's save DC's are Intelligence, like the Rogue, so Intelligence makes sense.

>>Hunter
>Also I'm having a hard time deciding whether to replace the Casting wholesale, or just diminish the casting like Warpath Followers.
Definitely diminished casting, that's one of the fun parts of the Warpath stuff, is mixing magic and initiating without having to use a prestige class.

As for the theme, I'd drop the animal companion, then allow the Hunter to instantly summon a "spirit animal" within range that initiates a maneuver, then disappears. Not sure of an easy way to stat out the attacks it would use, but the flavor is cool, I think.

>Gunslinger
I kinda like the Bloodborne idea (I'm a huge Soulsborne fan), and the idea of a gunslinger with one gun that he changes on the fly sounds really cool. For example, the maneuver recovery could be using a full round action to reconfigure his gun into a different shape/ammo type.

I'd also love to see a spontaneous initiator at some point, though I'm not sure how that would work. Just initiating any maneuver you know rather than having a set of readied maneuvers, with a smaller pool of maneuvers known.

I want to make an unarmed combat vampire tank that lets me take every hit without losing composture. help

>>48260157
Play a different system

>>48260157
The fuck do you mean "vampire tank"?

Also, you basically want to make Krory?

>>48260164
fuck...
>>48260178
Shitloads of hp, saving throws, immunities and resistances

Do you think demons make for interesting enemies, or are most other factions better? What's the problem with demons, how could they be made more interesting (beyond just expanding their lore)? Is it merely the fact that they don't seem as organized as, say, devils?

>>48260157
PF may not be the best system for you.

However, a Dhampir Warder with Broken Blade and Unquiet Grave may work.

If 1pp only allowed, a Dhampir UC Monk could help, or a Paladin would be better if you don't mind your Unarmed being kinda trash and eating a trait or feat to make you not die from PosEn

>>48260157
Vampire Steel Fist commando, tradition or trait some unquiet grave?

>>48260222
First of all, you're a vampire. Being a vampire in and of itself makes you highly resistant to things (undead get a lot of free shit).

However being a vampire is next to fucking impossible in the system, so lets just hand wave it.

For super high defense what you want is Anti-paladin/Destined Blood Rager Primalist multiclass. Get Superstition and Moment of Clarity.

You use Cha for Fort saves, HP, and add it as a bonus to all saves. You're immune to mind effecting spells. Pump Cha through the roof and be an Urban bloodrager who puts ALL of his bloodrage into Dex. Be dex based since you can finesse natural weapons.

If you want to be a vampire there IS a way to do it, but you have to be higher level.

>>48260242
UC monk?
...universal century?

>>48260262
Unchained you dumb mong. Paizo finally caved and released a Monk that wasn't total trash

>>48260258
>warcommander
>not Conflict King

>People of War
>not Road of Skirmishes
Step it up famalamadingdong!

>>48260262
Yes.

>>48260257
So this is the only way to be a vampire with free will.

Antipaladin 10/Agent of the Grave 5 (Or something else into Agent of the Grave). You need to cast Animate Dead to qualify for Agent of the Grave. However Agent of the Grave allows you to retain intelligence and free will when you become undead as their 5th level class feature.

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>>48260242
>>48260245
>>48260257
>>48260258
Well thanks guys, that's a lot of input. will look into everything
BATS, BATS EVERYWHERE
I FUCKING LOVE BATS

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>>48260157
>>48260377
Slayer, why are on 4chan?

>>48260554
>Roads of Conflict
>Strong Strike
>Angry Concentration

Where are these from?

So i got this situation.

An enemy alchemist is inside a fort preparing his bombs, i sneak through a hole in the ceiling and see what he is doing, he notices me and quickly gets a hold of a fire bomb and is about to throw it at me.

We roll initiative and i go first i grab a tanglefoot bag and throw it at him, it hits him and holds him in place, if im correct it should stick the bomb to his hand making him unable to throw it at me.

Then his lackeys run to help him and start attacking the stickyhard goo but i still manage to act again before they can destroy it.

Can i use my bow and hit the bomb with an arrow and make it explode along with the other bombs and the entire room?

Im still learning about pathfinder so im a little confused which mechanics are involved in this.

What is the DC for trying to hit the bomb in hand in specific? Which modifiers are involved? Do i need an specific feat or something like that?

>>48260554
Pretty much, yeah. Talent Attention's also useful for a bunch of exercises that scale off talent rolls.

>>48260567
>missing the joke

>>48260584
>>missing the joke
I guess, yeah? I'd never heard the stuff and assumed it was 3rd party or homebrew and was hoping it was interesting

Wait, road of conflict, path of war. I see, I'm dumb, but I see.

What is the most 3pp friendly Quest Road, lads, specifically for Roads of Conflict?

I'm thinking of running Green Substitute or Rule of Ice for my players.

>>48260580
The tanglefoot bag would not prevent the alchemist from throwing the bomb at you, per the normals rules for tanglefoot bags. If it did, you would be able to make a called shot to attack the bomb vial, at a penalty adjudicated by your DM.

However, all this is irrelevant because mixed alchemist bombs failsafe unless thrown per the alchemist class description, so the bomb wouldn't explode.

>>48260580
That'd just be the equivalent of a ranged sunder to hit a held object. As for blowing up the room, alchemists only make their bombs just before they throw them, so it'd just blow up the one bomb if anything.

To go into further detail, an alchemist's bomb consists off two separate groups of ingredients, which are both inert when separate. They only form a bomb when combined, which the alchemist does right before throwing them.

That said, strictly speaking the bomb shouldn't be stuck to him since tanglefoot bags don't stop you attacking. That said if your DM lets you get away with it, see the first part of this post for how the rest should go.

>>48260650

I'd recommend Anger of the Zealous, Legend rules work really well with Roads of Conflict.

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>>48260594
>path of war
What's this? Never heard of it. Is it some weird AU version of Road of Conflict?
Or is it from the last reality?

actually how would one do pic related in Roadlocator?

>>48260659
>However, all this is irrelevant because mixed alchemist bombs failsafe unless thrown per the alchemist class description, so the bomb wouldn't explode.
Not quite anon. They become inert 1 round after being made if not used, but before that there's nothing stopping an arrow or other sharp impact setting it off.

>>48260650

Make a custom story based on Attica, that new polity mentioned in Far Beaches.

>>48260580
There is no such rule.

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>want to rewrite kitsune into fey creatures and shift them over to be less furbait garbage and more weebshit
>mfw I know I'll never get to actually use the rewrite, and nobody else will give a shit
>mfw I started doing it anyway while I wasn't paying much attention, and it's spiraling into a total rewrite of racial features and racial feats
>mfw this is entirely pointless but I can't stop this personal ride it now that it's started

I don't even like kitsune that much. Why the fuck am I doing this. Nobody will ever use this. Nobody would ever accept any of this. Why am I going through so much trouble just so I can have fey in the creature type field?
Could pastebin it once it's hammered out if people want, I guess.

I have absolutely no idea on what feats I should take. I want to replace all three extra ki feats but I already do archery plenty fine.

>>48259160
legion devil

Does anyone have Forrest's henshin initiator? I got my DM to be willing to take a look at it after okaying Gonzo content.

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TIME TO HELP ME NOT BE SHIT AT MAKING BUILDSand to drown out the degenerateposting!

Here is my current feat tree for my zen archer. The extra ki is nice because using a conductive bow to deliver schorching ray via arrows costs 4 ki per shot.

But I think that there might be a better way to spend them, and I'm not a huge fan of the conductive bow trick as another +1 hit and damage seems more reliable to me than 12d6 fire damage three times a day.

What do you think?

>>48261188
Is buying a set of +1 conductive arrows worth it for the conductive schorching ray trick? It isn't cheap at all. 50 will probably last my entire adventuring career though, but still...

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>mass post deletion

well okay.

To totally switch topics, what's everyones favorite stuff from that Legendary Vigilante Playtest? Is there anything that you're looking forward to playing in a real game?

>>48261208
I'm trying hard to find a game. I have been searching through roll20, but it seems like most games on the LFP list have 5-6 players already and just have an open spot for flex people?

It's really hard to find one that sounds anywhere approaching decent.

Oh, that and games with like "Yeah, we need 1000 players for our LIVING WORLD campaign".

Tell me about an engaging, interesting, or memorable villain from a campaign you were in, /pfg/. What's the trick?

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>>48261243

Oh my god I can't fucking stand those Living World campaigns.

Half the time they're filled with the most insufferably generic or otherwise anime PCs you've ever ran across, and the other half they're so open-ended and poorly designed that it just turns you off from even bothering with a fleshed out character.

Every time I join one of those things, I spend 10 minutes looking through the notes, text and maps before asking myself, "why did I join this?"

>>48261270
Can confirm, the Oustomia one up on Roll20 is filled with "senior GMs" that think wordlessly throwing 4 PCs of varying levels, and some with mythic tiers, into a group of 15+ 'magic missile penguins' that auto-hit and explode for fire damage, plus an enemy caster, is a good encounter.

Also the memes. Just memes everywhere.

>>48261291
>>48261270
Do you guys know any good games that are recruiting?

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Did anything noteworthy came off of Pathfinder: Horror Campaign?

>>48261309

No, but that's mostly because I'm off the market (found my groups and I don't feel the need to find any more.)

I can give you a solid list of things to look out for though.

>Does the advertisement have good spelling? Grammar?
>Does the advertisement reasonably explain the plot or major themes of the campaign?
>Does the advertisement include stickies for lore, character creation or applications? Is there any banned content that was forbidden due to petty reasons (lol I don't like Paladins, etc.)?
>What kind of characters are being created for this campaign? Look for the people already in the campaign, and look for their application. Did the DM give a "pls let me join now" an invite, or was it just people with fleshed out, well-done characters?

And, most importantly
>Does the DM seem like a rational, fun person? Read their responses to other players, gauge their personality, get a feel for the man or woman from the way they describe things. The greatest DM I've ever been in consistently showed spunk, excitement and helpfulness during my application process for her campaign. These are qualities you should look for.

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>>48261243
Roll20 LFG is a sham. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but every game I tried was either

>highly specific application form that didn't even matter, because the people who got accepted didn't even fill the shit out properly
>"dude your backstory is too long"
>"dude you need to flesh out your character more"
>"Dude I can't let you have that thing for your barbarian, that's too OP, I'm also nerfing power attack and rage if you bring that to the game. Yes the wizard can still do his stuff just fine"
>finally get a game that doesn't have stupid bullshit rules, find out the entire game is TN and CN asshole PCs, even though the GM told me playing a Paladin was an excellent choice
>have to ditch because every session was just me getting totally shafted at every turn, along with "lol paladins are so anti-fun bro lighten up"

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>>48261385

>mfw I discovered I was the only human in a party that consisted of a collared shark-girl, GILF Kitsune and hyper-generic Orc barbarian
>mfw I couldn't even wait until the session was over to nope out

The greatest advice I can give you, besides >>48261373, is to feel zero shame in dumping a campaign. You don't know these people, they can find a new player for the group within days of your dropping, and all the build-up anxiety to sending that "I'm leaving" message is nothing compared to months and months and months of being forced to play with a group you despise with a character you hate in a campaign that's going nowhere.

>>48261385
Man I just want to play in a game. This is torture.

>>48261373
It's just such a slog. I'm starting to thing there are no diamonds in the rough.

>>48261451
>I'm starting to thing there are no diamonds in the rough.

That's the thing dude, there *are* diamonds in the rough, you just have to look long and look often to find them.

What day and what time are you looking for, what's your timezone? I'll see if I can't find anything good.

>>48261349
I didn't even realize it had released yet. I thought it wasn't scheduled until early next month.

>>48261499
Not that guy, but I've been doing this about ten years.

The only diamonds that exist are rare and buried deep in the ocean of shit.

>>48261499
It needs to be after 6 because that's when I get home from work. Any day of the week I can make work except maybe friday.

>>48261529
>The only diamonds that exist are rare and buried deep in the ocean of shit.

Well call me a poopsmith then, because I've been slogging through the sea of crap for years.

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>>48261534

Hope this is up your alley, senpai.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/51823/hearth-lilies-and-chocolate

>>48261529
>I've been doing this about ten years.
Wait. Aren't you that guy who literally always makes retardedly overpowered PoW characters and invalidates combat? You never thought that if you had problems for ten years straight it might not all be because of bad luck and everyone else being a shitter?

>>48261592
...?

What disciplines should go on a swashbuckler initiator archetype? Obviously there will be scarlet throne and golden lion. What else?

>>48261629
Nigga wut

>>48261616
Iron Tortoise for the counters, maybe, but using your one-handed weapon instead of a shield? Mithral Current, of course. A lot of the Piercing Thunder maneuvers seem cool on a Swashbuckler, like thrusting your rapier in a 15 foot line or whatever, but the focus is more on two-handed weapons. Maybe the archetype could add a feature or two to help support use of Piercing Thunder?

>>48261451
I highly recommend playing IRL.

>>48261629
I remember that story now that you've brought it up, but it takes some serious assblastedness to think of it first with no actual provocation.

>>48261592
>>48261629
Stop using my name.

>>48261592
>>48261629
This is anon buddy. Assuming a specific anon is someone else is a good way to look the fool.

>>48261629
You mean in the game where the GM explicitly said "Seriously, make the craziest shit you can do, I actively encourage you to do crazy, broken things"?

The same game where the player who was complaining was playing a Venerable Wizard and attempting to do melee in heavy armor?

That game?

Also, it was at level... I wanna say 7? It fell apart fairly quickly, due to the GM putting in zero effort to make maps/encounters, two players leaving (Including the guy who bitched), and it just sorta fizzled.

>>48261659
Yeah, there could be a feature that says they can pommel bash with a finesse weapon as shield bashes and whatnot

>>48261385
>Group, ex-DM comprised baww continuosly that they can't finish a single campaign
>Because of the DM
>offer to DM a game
>a FANTASY game
>everyone is enthralled by the most basic fantasy tropes, because they actually never fucking played them
>After a month, things start deteriorating
>Autistic ex-DM specially is so bored he yawns incontrollably during game
>Comes out, they have fun only when they feel like in Michael Bay movie
>They don't care about numbers
>story
>interpretation
>killing people
>Xp
>They only fucking care of explosions and lolrandumb
>Final straw: Asperger ex-DM anticipates annoyed what they had to do in the last dungeon (which was pretty obvious)
>Ended campaign there, told failure Group to fuck off
>On september I start with another group
I'm done playing with millenials that watch youtubers to form their fucking opinions. fuck

>>48261678
No, it was the ten years bit that reminded me, I know that guy who did it had been talking about how he'd been playing 10 years.

>>48261684
I know.

>>48261683
No.

>>48261385
>ind out the entire game is TN and CN asshole PCs
>WAAAAH PEOPLE DON'T PLAY THE WAY I WANT

>>48261728
>even though the GM told me playing a Paladin was an excellent choice
You might want to finish reading the whole sentence before acting like an asshole.

>>48261742
No I read that. He's still mad that people are playing archetypes he doesn't care for. It doesn't say Paladin is a must play choice, or a strongly recommend(HINT HINT) choice, just that it is a good choice.

>>48261763
>It doesn't say Paladin is a must play choice, or a strongly recommend(HINT HINT) choice, just that it is a good choice.
Only it clearly is not a good choice in that particular group, which is the problem here. GM said "Sure, playing this would be a good idea." when playing this was most certainly NOT a good idea. Can you really not understand how that's a problem?

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>>48261208
Totally making a consumed mercurial duelist. Might play it so the sword is the 'real character' with the body as just a vessel or something like that.

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>>48261817

>>48261796
>Sure, playing this would be a good idea." when playing this was most certainly NOT a good idea.
Why? Because everyone else isn't good and the plot isn't going to revolve around how righteous everyone is. Unless the paladin is going to try to drag everyone onto a motherfucking crusade, I'd say it's an okay choice in a generally neutral party.

>>48261728
>get told playing a paladin is an excellent idea
>wind up with a party that just mocks me the entire time and goes out of their way to make me feel useless
>half a dozen "what would it take to make your paladin fall?" conversations
>not a SINGLE FUCKING SMITEABLE ENEMY IN SIGHT
>somehow this is my fault

>>48261385
I dont know what you're talking about. Its quite easy to get into good groups once you've made a few connections that can help you get in.

Really, most lfgs ignore randoms and are usually waiting for another players friend.

My only complaint in roll20 is that ERP is quite aggressive so I avoid carelessly giving away my skype.
>Play pathfinder
>Gnome Bard takes me to the tavern privy and is already giving me a handjob before I realize what she's trying to do.
>Play Warhammer 40k
>Sororita is pming me about how she's necking my krieg korpsman while the GM discusses how I drive.

Other than that, I cant complain about the groups understanding of game mechanics.

>>48261996
>necking
????

>>48261131
One hour late but I've got you covered anon.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ANoYP3X_jAsNGN2L3akuHgP_kVRws_OuAS0hEMMcpy0/edit#

>Join game
>GM doesnt fucking know how the game works
>Know it all kobold player keeps acting like a little shit
>Casts a spell
>He doesnt know the aoe
>Doesnt know the most basic of game mechanics
>Other players say he's the smartest member in the group

I ejected out of game so fast, no wonder a player only lasts one session before dropping out.

>>48262068
A form of heavy petting mainly focused on licking, kissing and sucking a partners neck possibly while feeling them up.

>>48261996
I guess it's like anything else. If you're bad with new people and are new, everything automatically feels harder than it actually is. It probably doesn't help that I prefer text-only games.

>>48261996

>tfw I've never had a player try and start ERP with me

While I'm relieved, I'm also insulted.

>>48262071
Thanks!

>>48262182
Don't be. My experience with that has mostly been players asking if they could have their PCs/animal companions fuck other PCs/animal companions.

>>48261585
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/51823/hearth-lilies-and-chocolate
Just applied, thank you.

>>48262182
If you want, I could be your erp partner for tonight.

>>48262363

What's your skype or discord?

Had an idea for a feat, would like some opinions.

Argent Typhoon
Prerequisites: Quick Draw, two Mithral Current Maneuvers, two Tempest Gale maneuvers.
Benefit: You may make Mithral Current strikes with a ranged weapon, provided you make them within your weapon's first range increment and you draw your weapon as part of the attack. If the strike is ranged (Iron Wave et.al.), use the maneuver's range rather than your weapon range.

>>48262377
DaddyIssues469 :)

So I'm gonna be playing a Savage Technologist/True Primitive. I want to VMC, what do you think would work for that? I was thinking Oracle originally, but maybe Magus?

What would support A gunslinging illiterate barbarian the best?

>>48262385

Invite sent ;), hope you like Tieflings.

>>48262500
In general VMC is a bad idea.

>>48262650
Not always, there's some good ones.

>>48262650
Oracle/Cavalier/Magus/Barbarian are good ones

>>48262500
Oracle with the Lame Curse would eventually give you immunity to fatigue, meaning no downside to ending your Rage. It's a very good option.

>>48262704
I'm going to be a sniper as well, so being slow doesn't matter much.

>>48262384
First range increment isn't much of a limiting factor for most weapons, unless it severely fucks them.

It may be easier to say something like 30ft or the first range increment, whichever comes first, so you don't have a huge divide between knives and longbows.

Though I actually like the feat. Query, does retrieving ammunition count as drawing the weapon? I doubt it, because that's largely meaningless, but it could be worth a special note.

>>48262853
Good point on the range.

I would say no on the ammunition, as it's really intended for a pistol duelist or other quickdraw ranged fighter. That said, you could use Mithral Current's rules for what qualifies as 'sheathed', and probably draw and load ammo as part of the action if it's a free action.

New text:
Argent Typhoon
Prerequisites: Quick Draw, two Mithral Current Maneuvers, two Tempest Gale maneuvers.
Benefit: You may make Mithral Current strikes with a ranged weapon, provided you make them within your weapon's first range increment or within 30', whichever is shorter, and you draw your weapon as part of the attack. If the strike is ranged (Iron Wave et.al.), use the maneuver's range rather than your weapon range.
Special: If you are using a weapon with ammunition, and can draw and load that ammo as a free action, you may do so as part of the attack.

>>48259320
Reminding new people that this is here, and that I can still compare some attack profiles if you want.

So, a Savage Technologist/True Primitive/Pack Rager. Don't have many actual class features left.

>>48261291
Like half of their players left a couple months ago. The head of it is just a guy that uses it as a playground and hands out levels to his own characters whenever he feels like it.

>>48263097
k

>>48258295
It was the "Deadly Aim is a Bad Feat" framing that pissed people off.

Largely because that's not true. Simply the act of giving you the choice to use it makes it quite good.

So what archetype combos let you replace ALL of a class's class features?

>>48263097
Can all of those actually stack? It feels like they're conflicting a lot with each other, mechanically.

>>48263175
Also the fact that he started off being wrong on basic shit starts to make you question him. Fuck, he started out saying that you miss when your roll ties with the target AC, makes you sort of wonder what else he's got wrong.

>>48263232
An assload of combos replace all Fighter "features".

>>48263232
None, you can't be a Wildshape Arcane Hunter Mystic Ranger anymore

>>48261431
>collared shark-girl

What does that mean?

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>>48263401
I should imagine it's a shark-girl wearing a collar of some variety.

Finally got power back in my house. On-deck again.

>>48263439
You feeling better, broski?

>>48263401

She was a shark Skinwalker that was always in partial shark form (her icon art was dreadfully furry) that always wore a collar owned by her master, another player that made it acutely obvious within 1 minute of game start that they were ERP buddies.

I'm talking thinly-veiled "eating fish tonight" kind of innuendo.

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>>48263457
Finally got to eat something and get coffee, so mostly. It's still hotter than the forges of Hell in this damn house but, eh, can't win 'em all. Got deadlines to finish wrapping up tonight.

>>48263232
Metamorph. :^)

>>48263473
Ah. Degenerates.

>>48263494
How's the power situation, friendo?

>>48263366
Hidden Blade Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue

>>48263723
See >>48263439, anon.

>>48263439
>>48263723
Oh good stuff

Also, 'war isn't hell. Life is hell, war is just one of its many tortures.'

- Anime girl

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Does anyone happen to have a copy of Legendary Kineticists (Legendary Games, written by N.Jolly) that's all cleaned?

>>48263494
Maybe now that you are feeling better you will drop your internet tough guy drivel.

>new player joined
>elf
>magus
>kensai
>bound blade
>katana
send help

>>48263989

Why? This is the perfect opportunity to either mock him or give us an excellent greentext of his idiocy.

>>48263989
What's wrong with elves, fucker?

>>48263989
What's the problem? All in all that's pretty much one of the standard Magus builds, nothing too out-there at all.

>>48263989
>playing an elf magus and using a katana instead of a scimitar

He has a bad case of being retarded if he didn't ask to refluff a scimitar as a katana so he could take Dervish Dancing.
Also go fuck yourself, Bladebound/Kensai is cool, blame the player if he acts like a dumbass.

>>48264031
>what is daisho expertise

>>48264042
It is third party shit that no one cares about. gareth

>>48264042
Something most players don't know about and most GMs won't allow

>>48264060
Since that guy is posting in DSP general, I'd assume he's the kind of DM who would allow the feat.

>>48264042
A DSP feat that may or may not be available to that player? Unless someone mentions DSP content, why would you assume they use it? I assume random shitposts complaining about a particular player with very little detail is someone in a 1pp-only game.

>>48264059
>>48264060
Not that anon, but I'm in a group where the only DSP that's not allowed is Mystic 8, because Quell Magic is too powerful.

>>48264099
Good for you? I don't know why you think this is relevant. Do you think your group represents all of them?

>>48264113
I proudly shill for free. :^)

>>48264080
It's fairly common to assume 3pp is allowed unless explicitly stated otherwise.

>>48264148
>It's fairly common to assume 3pp is allowed unless explicitly stated otherwise.
>players are this entitled
Woooooow

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>>48264113
>doesn't mention DSP content
>"wow they're clearly shilling for it"

what are you on about

>>48264148
>It's fairly common to assume 3pp is allowed unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Se the line in the pastebin which also used to be in the OP post
>If you would like assistance with character optimization, please mention which third-party sources are allowed.

>>48264167
>players are this entitled
Wat
I meant in /pfg/ discussions, not when applying for a game.

>>48264177
Oh. My bad.

>>48264148
No it fucking isn't because it is never allowed unless specifically stated. Your custom third party houserules are not the "default" no matter how much you want to sell them.

>>48264174
>doesn't mention DSP content
>what is daisho expertise
Stupid

>>48264196
>doesn't mention DSP content

the post that sparked this entire shitstorm did not mention DSP content, and that is what I'm referring to.
I see what you mean, but this entire conversation is moronic at best.

>>48264196
>No it fucking isn't because it is never allowed unless specifically stated. Your custom third party houserules are not the "default" no matter how much you want to sell them.
Bruh, this is /pfg/. 3pp is pretty much the only thing discussed here. And it was a very reasonable guess that the discussed person used daisho expertise, as the build wouldn't make sense otherwise.

>>48264223
I think he has...12 dex? maybe 14?

Looks like str/int to me.

>>48264217
Are you drunk?

>>48264148
>0 quality control
>0 ability to expect consistent gameplay
> Success directly proportional to how many pdfs you read from various publishers
> Everyone comes to the table with superpowerful edgy bullshit from Sweaty Basement Incorporated
Disgusting.

>>48264223
People make dumb builds, that's why we exist.

And of course we discuss 3pp, it needs the most quality control. Also, because we already know all the paizo stuff. You kinda have to to be here.

>>48264238
That information wasn't ever mentioned until *right now*.

>>48264217
Anon, daisho experience is a DSP feat.

That's like saying he loved pasta but no one mentioned italian food.

>>48264247
>Disgusting.
Refer to this post:
>>48264177

>>48264247
I don't know what you're going on about, I'm just here to shitpost.

>>48263989
>Katana
>Not scimitar like every other fucking Magus barring a few niche builds like whip Magus.

Good for him for making a non-optimized character.

>>48264284
To be fair, the scimitar is only widely used because paizo gutted literally every other possible option

>>48264312
The scimitar is next up on the errata chopping block, though

>>48264331
Fuck. Source?

>>48264331
Well then people better get on the ball and start calling paizo out on their bullshit, or just have an agreement to continue ignoring that bullshit as usual.

>>48264238
You should have opened with that then, dear lord why is he an elf Kensai like that?

>>48264238
>str elf kensai
why

>>48264284
I was going to say something about obsession with optimization being a cancer, but I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.

>>48264381
That's the real question.

Sort of related, are there any races that give bonuses to strength and intelligence?

>>48264114
It just makes me think that any reasonable group would, unless they have a stick up their ass, are metaphorical niggers, or are playing Pathfinder Society.

>>48264389
Why not?

>MUH OPTIMIZATION ;;;;;-;-;;-;-;;;;;;;;;;;
Elves don't get -Str and they still get +Int.

>>48264418
How far do /pfg/ posters have their heads up their asses that they think anything but a small minority of games use 3pp content?

I mean really? You can't be serious.

>>48264414
>Sort of related, are there any races that give bonuses to strength and intelligence?
Not a single one.
Not even variant tieflings/aasimar.
Only dual talent human.

>>48264414
Male lashunta.

>>48264428
>being this wrong
L M A O

>>48264431
Oh fuck, I forgot male lashunta are a thing. I only ever played as female lashunta.

>>48264427
Never played in a game that hasn't.

And I play like 3 a week.

>>48264414
Male Lashuntas and Jiang-Shi-descended Dhampirs, otherwise no.

>>48264427
It's just one or two shills who post here for free

>>48264418
>thinking most groups are reasonable

>>48264427
My sample size is admittedly bad, but yeah. I have never played in a game that was locked to only 1pp material, and I've been playing regularly since PF came out.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>48264379
>start calling paizo out on their bullshit
>implying people don't already do this
>implying Paizo does or has ever cared about community feedback
>implying they won't just ignore it like all the feedback for almost all of your playlist material
>implying they don't actively if one anyone who isn't one of their PFS golden babies
Why do you still have hope anon? It's like you assume Paizo is a semi-competent company that actually wants to make a quality product

>>48264427
I only play with friends do, and we're very open and loose to all manner of 3pp and homerules.

Heck, my GM just greenlit me to field test SoP in our current campaign

Honestly, it feels good man

How do I play a tier 3 druid?
Is there a 3pp class or something?
I love the idea and theme of druid but it's way too good of a class to bring to my next game that's going to unironically have a swashbuckler.

>>48264771
I don't have hope, I just want people to yell at paizo for their retarded decisions. I also like terrible games, as evidence by the fact that I still play this and Mechwarrior Online.

>>48264824
Hunter.

>>48264824
Hunter I guess, it maybe sometime of Spherecaster specializing in Nature sphere
just don't include the nature handbook. Is awful

>>48264838
>>48264877
Hunter isn't what I'm after.
I want to be a fruity piece of shit that blooms flowers by walking around on grass and entangles people with roots and stuff like that.
Like, I basically want a Druid with no shapeshifting and worse spells.
Spherecasting isn't on the table on the grounds that the GM thinks the company responsible is an "unending stream of shit and garbage" and has a blanket ban on everything by them.

>>48264917
Divine Hunter trades their companion for a domain, just pick a nature domain and bloom that shit.

>>48264917
>>48264953
Keep in mind that a Hunter will still dominate compared to a Swashbuckler.

>>48264877
Bloody auto-correct. I hate this new phone

>>48264917
Witch then I guess. Doesn't really solve the problem though.
Also, sorry you have a trash GM

>>48264963
So will a properly built Adept, that's the fault of the swashbuckler.

>>48264771
Hey now, let's be fair. Paizo pays a LOT of attention to feedback.
If they didn't, they might do something we approved of by accident

>>48264824
Just because someone else insists on playing a shitty class, doesn't mean you should.

>>48264976
>So will a properly built Adept
Really? I'd like to see that.

>>48264997
Occultist implements exist.

>>48265003
Just look at the spell list. Adepts are like Tier 5.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/npc-classes/adept

>>48264997
Like WMH.

>>48264976
>making shit up

>>48265018
Wasn't most of the feedback they got on that book about Kineticist (asking that it be made better, which it wasn't) and the Harrow Medium (which was cool, so they burned it)?

What country should my character be from if I want the most "he had a rough life" backstory?

>>48265199
Slave from Rahadoum

>>48265199
Married man from Qadira.

>>48265199
Heterosexual white guy in golarion. All precedent says you are satan.

>>48265254
I don't get where you nerds get this idea from.

The only human race that's vilified at large on Golarion are the Varisians.

>>48265199
Ustalav. All of their regional traits are about how used to horrific creatures you are.

I'd like to play a character that does middling damage most of the time, purposefully, but can really step it up for a couple of rounds when need be. Seems simple enough - just don't go all out with power attack, maneuvers, stances, etc. and turn 'em on when the time comes.
My initial plan was to simply play a Warder and not use damage-dealing maneuvers often, but now that another player is rolling a Zealot, that won't work as it'll be obvious that my character is sandbagging. "Why isn't Anon's character using any of those?"
In essence, my question is - how do I build a character that can keep up in damage with a Zealot, but also be able to blow past him for a round or two?
I wanted to do it with Maneuvers, but I'm open to anything, just no fullcasters.
GM allows basically any 3pp but he has to OK it first. Just lay it on me, it's probably fine.

>>48265330
>"Why isn't Anon's character using any of those?"
I didn't take them because reasons.

>>48265199
Katapesh. Go for a bought and probed by the Pactmasters angle.

>>48265359

Aren't the Pactmasters just Denizens from Leng?

>>48265292
>I don't get where you nerds get this idea from.

Pathfinder doesn't exactly have the best precedent in portraying white heterosexual men in a favorable fashion.

>>48265383
I think some book or other says they're an alien race. They have multiple backstories, dunno if it's purposely vague or they get retconned a lot.

Why isn't there a Discipline for improvised weapons yet?
Anyone homebrew that, maybe?

>>48265404
They don't portray them in a particularly terrible fashion either.

Are there any hidden full-initiator classes out there like the Belluspex from DSP?
I'll take homebrew, too, actually. Just interested in seeing 'em.

>>48265418
Broken Blade's martial tradition makes you proficient in all improvised weapons.

Night Terror vigilante archetype also gives you proficiency and even more on top of that.

>>48265455
>Belluspex
I think it's just that. I think Belluspex was someone(Gareth) who thought he could make a better Zealot or something.

So, what is the "wizard" of initiation classes?
I mean "wizard" in the "this class is obviously superior to many others" way.

>>48265489
Mystic, Warlord, Zealot.

>>48265489
zelot

>>48265292
Eh. Ulfen are smelly brutes, Katapeshi are drugged up, everyone from the Shackles is a filthy pirate.

Thing is that these stereotypes are really accurate in Golarion.

>>48265489
There isn't really one, since each of them have in-built weaknesses by their designs. Mystic would probably be the closest thing to it, but it's still marred by the fact that you won't necessarily have exactly what you need on-hand thanks to the random aspect of its recoveries.

>>48265489
Ravenlord harbinger

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>>48265506
>Eh. Ulfen are smelly brutes, Katapeshi are drugged up, everyone from the Shackles is a filthy pirate.

And Keleshites are the greatest people known to man.

>>48265489
Mystic. The Zealot is more like a Sorcerer.

>>48265383
They're Witchwyrds, or however you spell that.

>>48265528
That's not the Azlanti you...

Does Golarion even have ethnic slurs?

Like I know Slip is a slur for halfling, but are there canon slurs for elves, dwarves, and the other human ethnicities?

>>48265577
Elves is knife-ears of course
No one cares about dwarves and it's forgotten that they even exist most of the time

>>48265577
Slip is specifically Chelaxian halfling slaves. Also gillmen is probably a slur to them, because they call themselves Low Azlanti.

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>>48265611
>gillmen
Aren't those actually a thing on Golarion?

>>48265578
...you are just looking for a reason to be offended aren't you?

>>48265664
Yes, but like anon said, they call themselves Low Azlanti.

>>48265606
https://youtu.be/rvJsG4F2Img

What are some really cheap ways to get fire resistance?
I'm making a level 3 human. I'm willing to blow feats and traits on this. I want as much as possible.

>>48265664
See >>48265690

The gillmen are the Azlanti who got dragged back down to by the Aboleths and played with a bit before getting tossed away.

The other descendants of the Azlanti are the Varisians via Thassilon and the Taldanes/Chelaxians, probably.

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>>48265664
They're mutated aquatic descendants of the Azlanti, that's the point.
Of course morlocks and munavri are also mutated descendants of the Azlanti. Funny how many different versions of those there are.

>>48265433
Except that most of the BBEGs in the APs that aren't magical in origin are white, male, straight or some combination of the three.

Also, homosexuals are always portrayed as good and allies of the PCs. We have yet to see a single homosexual villain.

>>48265577
>That's not the Azlanti you...

Here is the exact quote from their page.

>The Keleshites (pronounced KEHL-esh-eyts) are a people born of the deserts of Casmaron who reflect the heat of the desert in the fieriness of their passions. They are quick to anger and to forgive and always pride themselves on their wit and intelligence. While Keleshites often have a racial arrogance that can be quite off-putting, considering what the people have achieved, it is not surprising.

>>48265773
>>48265767
The Fetchlings are also Azlanti-descended, they just managed to ship themselves to the Plane of Shadow instead.