/swg/- "A long time ago in a Kingdom Far, Far Away" Edition

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>>48232610
>GoT choreography

>>48232680
Fits right in with Star Wars.

Which is what I said the last time someone brought this up. They agreed.

>>48232691
Even Star Wars choreography is better, honestly. It has a style, whereas GoT just looks like shit.

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>>48232760
>style

>>48232777
>a style
>style
>the same

>>48232833
The choreography is flashy and unrealistic. So, it fits right in with Star Wars.

Now that I know Thane Kyrell has a garbage pilot ability, I'll pass on the ARC.

>>48232857
I'm pretty disappointed the ARC was the first prequel era ship they chose, it's by far my least favorite of the era and their preview didn't do much to sell me on it.

>>48232857
thanes ability doesn't seem garbage.
plus the other pilots have good abilities.

>>48232777
>flippy, spinny shit
>other guy stabs him
If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.

>>48232895

And supposedly, this whole expansion for the ARC is about synergy, it's supposed to mesh or be able to mesh in interesting ways with shit that has come before and so on. Even with a preview I think it's too new to see what kind of things people will do mixing in cards you'd never think of before.

I'm personally interested in the ARC for the rear arc in a small ship (which still packs crew and astromech slots). Like, the idea of not needing to make a K-Turn to pass by someone and still shoot them is pretty good, or to play with enemy ships getting behind you is interesting, and that's what I want to see about the TIE/sf too, because I've never really looked at running a Firespray like that.

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Crashing this meta

With no survivors

>>48232895
I don't like it. Braylen's is the closest to one I like.

>>48232995
Good luck, if you can save us from the hell that is Crack Swarms then you are the hero we need

>>48232899
To be fair, Oberyn nearly won that fight with his flippy bullshit. Up until he messed up and well, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOkRuuejR9s

>>48233037
And that's why you MAKE SURE THEY'RE DEAD BEFORE GRANDSTANDING

>game of thrones
Well, aren't we off to a bad start?

>>48233251
He wanted Clegane to confess first.

GM gave my smuggler conflict for shooting a downed inquisitor type to make sure he was dead, and for executing clone stormtroopers that knew where our rebel base was. After the session he went from 50 to 29 morality, so now I crossed some dark side threshold by going under 30. I didn't think morality came up for non force users, is it supposed to? Also I know it's supposed to be easy to go to the darkside, but going that far down for a double tap and protecting secret rebel bases seems a bit much. Is there any print for what actions equate to what amount of conflict? Like killing a prisoner, or having a "no prisoners" attitude?

>>48233419
Alright. Stab in both legs, stab in both arms. Disable him and maybe not stand so close when you yell at him, sheesh.

>>48233491
Morality shouldn't affect non-force users, but in some games, swtor for example, having high dark side influence will give you skin cancer.

Since the minis ARC-170 is on it's way, do we have EOTE stats for them yet? or just that planetary bomber version. I have an NPC I'm putting together to park a few doors bays down from the PCs, and they'd be neat with an old, tuned, ARC-170.

>>48233760

There's no ARC-170 but in the new seeker book there's the ARC-40b, I think? It's a bit smaller and with less firepower, designated as an escort of the ARC-170 - but with fine tuning the stats are probably a good base.

>>48233521
He did all that. The Mountain is an obscenely tough fucker.

>>48234433
Well he obviously didn't do that last one judging by the clip.

>>48234512
Yeah, he got too close. But he did stab Clegane through the arms and legs with a poisoned spear.

>>48233521
Oberyn broke his spear on Gregor's ass & had him badly poisoned. Gregor's one tough fellow.

>>48234557
Yeah but while he was down jabbing what's left into his joints would have been a good idea, sever some important tendons and ligaments before you try gloating.

I'd say hindsight is 20/20 but his is more like 0/0

>>48234671
He thought he had. He didn't realize how fucking tough Clegane was. He disabled the joints and used an incredibly potent poison. Clegane is just that fucking tough and no one knew it.

Clegane still "died" afterwards anyways.

>>48232995

Is that a YT-2000 from SWG?

>>48232890
Same. I'm waiting for Aethersprites and Naboo Fighters.

>>48234808
that is a VT-49 decimator

From SWG

>>48233760
I did some unofficial stats, they're in the OP

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>tfw you will never fight a spoiled Jedi prince who proves your equal without even moving from his throne

>>48233491
RAW, Conflict is only for people with a force rating and want to both the moral stuff and their connection to the force to be big part of character development/struggle. Applying it to somebody who doesn't use the force largely makes no sense other than if the GM wanted it as a means of tracking how people see you, but that can just as easily be done with more than a few of the different types of Obligation.

And yes, there is a list of guidelines for GMs on how much Conflict things should occur, it's in FaD core. Straight murder of somebody who can't defend themselves is 10, I believe, more might be given if you did it in a particularly brutal way, less if it was out of some degree of necessity, none if it was self defense.

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>>48235611
>tfw you will never be an average Jedi Knight
>tfw your sense of duty will never make you challenge a Darth as he sits on his throne
>tfw he will never beat you without even getting up from his throne
>tfw he will never break your little Jedi spirit and take you back to his private quarters for a rough fucking
>tfw you will never become his apprentice

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>>48235819

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>>48232610
Interesting ideas for R3? So far I've got:

>Y-wing with BTL-A4
Make your normal attack, cancel a focus, evade, make your full strength turret attack.

>X-wing
There are no particularly amazing synergies between R3 and any X-wing

>T-70 X-wing with Comm Relay and Juke
Due to the timing specification on the card R3 really goes well with Juke, combat goes like this: Attacker rolls, cancel focus, gain evade, Defender rolls, Juke triggers. With Comm Relay you can keep your evade for later Juke shenanigans. I once made a list which consisted of two T-70s and Jan Ors in an Attack Shuttle for Juking hilarity - with R3 you can get three T-70's into the list.

>E-wing with Sensor Jammer
Nah the E-wing is still basically useless. Sensor Jammer and R3 enhances its survivability a little, but only a little. The E-wing meta remains unchanged.

>ARC-170 with Norra Wexley
Her 'always has one focus' was clearly made for this.

Any other ideas? Cool combos? Fun synergies?

I thought FFG's RPG was a comfy story oriented game but I read it was like 3.5 Ivory Tower Gaming with marketers in charge instead of designers to release as much as splat book possible. Is this true? Is FFG's system NOT your dream SW rpg or close enough?

>>48236800
System itself is pretty great and does a great job of emulating the feel of the films and only needs minor work and/or homebrewing to give characters the ability to do stuff presented in games/books.

That said, there is a bit of an overabundance of supplements that can be kind of expensive if you aren't buying them online, but this is only a problem if you're attempting to buy everything the game has, whereas part of the design philosophy to break things up (besides money from people trying to get everything and giving them time to work more on new mechanics) was so that people only bought what they wanted/needed. In terms of actual content of supplements,they're all generally worth it, even if you/somebody in the group isn't using that particular career. Solid new mechanics, good tips on how to run things based on different concepts, and good fluff that tries to reconcile new and old canon stuff.

Only things that ever seemed like blatant cash grabs in the system to me were specialization and critical decks since they're generally more of a hassle to use than anything.

>>48235819
Good taste.

>>48236417
Does the arc even have an astromech slot?
That's not very cannon is it?

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>>48235819
>tfw there's always someone who has to impose their weird sexual preferences on everything I love

>>48237471
It's 100% cannon that ARC's had astromech droids.

>>48237217
would you say someone will lost out a lot by just sticking to the core book and maybe an adventure book?

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>>48237471

ARC is Torpedo, Crew, Astro and yes, the ARC-170 canonically has an astromech slot, and several shots of them with visible Astros exist.

>>48237569
They just kept piling stuff on with that ship didn't they? What was the plan with the ARC170 anyway? Like, superiority fighter, heavy fighter, or just 'our army changed, better manufacture a new ship so no one thinks this is the same old thing'. Which seems to be the general reason for ship changes in the Star Wars universe.

>>48237562
I wouldn't say so. The splatbooks are really cool and have awesome stuff like base building(far horizons, strongholds of resistance) and narrative stuff that add to any campaign you're running, but you can have a great time with just the core and wookieepedia.

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>>48235919
>not wanting to be outmatched by a Sith Lord
>not wanting to be dominated by Sith Cock
>not wanting him to make you denounce the Jedi Code as he mindbreaks you with his cock

>>48237562
If you don't homebrew some gear/vehicles, you might get bored at the lack of variety after a while (both GM and players will bound to want something not in one of the Cores eventually). But you're still fine and can have multiple campaigns without having to dig into a supplement.

>>48237598
Long range and deep space operations

>>48237599
>>48237634
kk thanks broskies

>>48237598

The ARC Stands for "Aggressive ReConnaissance", it's meant to be a long range fighter/bomber, hence why it has torpedoes, a robust crew and an internal hyperdrive - something a lot of ships didn't have standard in the Clone Wars.

It's basically the precursor to the Rebel "hit and run" ethos of fighters (And force bless Incom and their glorious Multirole fighters), and the complete antithesis to twenty years of imperial fighter doctrine which is why it makes perfect sense to be fielded by the Rebels.

Of course, the high crew requirement also might explain why it's a ship with only unique pilots - not only do you need to dump money into updating the hardware it optimally needs an astromech, co-pilot and rear gunner in addition to the primary pilot, you don't exactly build bit squadrons that way

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So my LGS has a pretty decent Star Wars X Wing scene, and I was thinking about getting into it after watching a few games and being taught how to play with the bare bones basics. I'd like to get either the Ghost expansion or the Shadow Caster when it comes out. What is the consensus on Ghost? How does Shadow Caster look compared to whats already out there? What kind of playstyles are these good/bad at?

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What is a good ship for a first time player who is a Mercenary Soldier/Fringer

>>48237717
We know next to nothing about the shadow caster. The ghost as earned its keep as a ship with some very brutal combos going on.

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>>48237749
I am leaning towards the HWK-290 for no other reason than I loved Dark Forces and Kyle Katarn flew one

>>48237780
What do you mean by combos?

>>48237749
well, what do you want to do with it?
this is really very important

>>48237797
>>48237749
Are you alone on the ship, or do you have a crew? Do you haul cargo, or just take missions killing/capturing?

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>>48237797
Silhouette 3 Speed 4 Handling +1

Armor 2 Hit/SS 18

Def/Aft 1

Navcomputer
Class 2 Hyperdive(no backup)
Encumbrance 75
2 Passengers
3 months consumables
5 hard points

>>48237801
fun shit like Accuracy corrector plus autoblaster

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>>48237804
>>48237809

Be able to run from the Empire when they spot me, be able to chase and kill my rival

Maybe some smuggling supplies to rebels, we'll see how things go

>>48237827
>fore/aft not def/aft

I have the dumb

>>48237525
>>48237569
Welp, never noticed the slot before

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>>48237827
I think I will ask the GM for this, and make my character a vintage ship enthusiast who hopes to one day own a hwk-1000 which is like the 1969 ZL1 camero of Star Wars ships.

>>48237905

Yeah, I went with the cross section image because it's not actually obvious in a lot of shots of the ARC, but it's clearly intended to be there.

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>>48237960

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>>48238020
This must be how everyone who plays a scoundrel feels when they pick a YT-1300.

>>48237960
>which is like the 1969 ZL1 camero of Star Wars ships.
if the HWK-1000 is the camero, what's the Charger Daytona or Hemi Barracuda, then?

Mobile games are almost always cringe tier IMO but Galaxy of Heroes is amazing.

>tfw cannot unlock Jedi Temple Guard
I guess Jedi Knight Guardian is okay...

>>48237830
don't both those cards come in the ig2000 set? Why would I use them on Ghost when I could just get that set? I still dont know much about the game

>>48238066
A Surronian conqueror and a yq-400 monitor? Fuck man, I don't know.

>>48238066
They don't exist yet. Anyone want to come up with something?

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>>48238145
The rarest freighters are the Penumbra Stealth Freighter(Keeping the Peace), the Darvo (Strongholds of Resistance), The Kazellis(Savage Spirits) and The Ghtroc 720 "Space Turtle"(Enter the Unknown)

https://youtu.be/ebveP8vbhtY
>Skip to 1:08
>prepare for feeltrip

>>48237960
>like the 1969 ZL1 camero of Star Wars ships.
So its got a drunk driver and 2 dismembered hookers in the cargo hold?

>>48238307
"No, trooper, I'm a medical courier. These are organ donors and I need to get them to the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center right away!"

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Imperial ARC-170 when?

Reminder that Sith and the Empire are shit

The Jedi and the Republic are superior.

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>>48238269
The Ghtroc 720 is the Chevy Impala.

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>>48237960
The HWK-290 itself is the Delorean. Higher grade versions would be Pontiacs. Trans Ams, GTOs, etc.

I think the Dynamic-class Freighter could be the Chevelle 454 LS6. Doesn't look that special but was produced only one at a time so they were very rare even for their own time.

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>>48238744
>Democracy>Fascism

gee, whodathunkit

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>>48238744

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>>48238744
>The Jedi and the Republic are superior.
'cause decadent, corrupt and morally dubious entities are the hug box for the civilian population that would raise slaves in vats to fight their wars!

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>>48238862
Have you seen the number of statists and fascists running around this website?

Not that the Prequel-era OJO and Republic were any good, mind you. They're just slightly less shitty, or a different flavor of shit.

>>48238913
>slaves
The Fett clones were paid, anon, as TCW shows. Besides, the Republic died before it could actually pass any legislature regarding the clones, so who the fuck actually knows how the government saw them? We certainly don't know what any of the Republic's post-war plans were for those guys, and writers were never consistent regarding the clones' numbers or the participation of non-clone forces.

You're also forgetting all the Spaarti clones the Empire used and the fact that the Legends Empire only discontinued Kaminoan cloning after Kamino rebelled.

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>>48238744

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>>48238744
Get a load of this guy

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>told myself to stay away from swtor
>new cartel pack brings a new blaster
>mfw
Fuck, looks like I'm making a gunslinger.

>>48239214
>vidya on the tabletop board

reeee

>>48239220
To be fair, if its engine was any more outdated it would be on a tabletop.

>>48232899
this

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>>48239231
That's mildly amusing

>>48239220
>>48239231
>>48239249
p-please don't shit talk swtor ;-;

>>48239274
SWTOR is objectively shit.

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>>48238744

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>>48239335
I-I know, but I have a problem.

Just don't bully swtor

>>48239214
>Defiant Technographer
I'm not sure how that gun relates to the map rooms of a Halo installation or the fourth level of Combat Evolved.

>>48238862
I appreciate fractalsponge for all of his work, but sometimes you can only polish a turd so much.

>>48238744
Reminder that the Jedi, Sith and Republic are shit.

The Empire and Rebels are superior.

>>48238979
>paid
They had petty cash for drinking but I wouldn't say they were paid

>>48239647
Something has to be providing the means for them to get so much nonstandard gear and variety in their armor paint and fabric colors. Legends mentions Clones packing nonstandard items like multitools and wipes. So they certainly must be getting paid enough to drink, supplement their kit, and shit in comfort. Probably not much, but a nonzero amount is still a nonzero amount.

>>48239758
Being paid for forced labour is still forced labour.

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But I don't want any of that galactic clone war stuff. I'd rather--
I'd rather...
...just... sing!

>>48238746
4 door, hard top, with a cassette player and a collection of classic rock tapes?

>>48237960
>which is like the 1969 ZL1 camero of Star Wars ships
The HWK-1000 is nowhere near old enough during the Rebellion era for that comparison to hold water.

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>>48238066
Charger Daytona? Probably the armored Y-Wing from TCW. Same overall concept.

>>48239820
How "forced" it is remains debatable. Writers only appear to have shown deserters. Not once has anyone discussed the existence or nonexistence of discharge applications, officer resignation, departmental transfers, finite service length, etc. The amount of freedom of choice in the GAR remains incredibly vague aside from Geonosis.

>>48238081
You can mix and match cards freely (as long as the card is suitable for the ship - no mixing across factions, no using a turret card on a ship that doesn't have a turret, etc.)

For casual play don't worry about where the cards come from, use one of the online roster generators that includes the rules from the cards in the printout.

If you start going to formal tournaments then you'll end up buying ships you don't want just to get their cards...

>>48238744
from my point of view the jedi are evil

>>48240206
There is some discussion among the clones in TCW about how they have to fight and don't have a choice so it's certainly implied that asking to leave isn't an option.

>>48240234
Well then you are lost.

>>48240254
Meant to reply to>>48240177

>>48240177
Additionally, clones are born into captivity and given an upbringing that prepares them for nothing besides combat.

Without a single example of a clone cadet or clone trooper that was allowed to leave service or even a mention of this being a possibility I don't see how we can assume that clones are anything other than indentured servants at best.

>>48240254
>how they have to fight
Point, though that could also be construed as guys in a combat role talking about having to fight because it's their job.

>>48240300
>an upbringing that prepares them for nothing besides combat
I'm sure plenty of their training could easily be applied to noncombat jobs. Mathematics, leadership, discipline, medicine, compsci, and engineering all have their places outside of the battlefield. And we know that Kaminoan indoctrination never completely erases individuality or nonconformity. Surely there had to be clone POGs or conscientious objectors.

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The CIS will rise again!

So I'm going to be playing in a Saga game (DM likes the system and doesn't have anything else ), and the party could use a force user. Renegade Jedi are a little over done, and i want to play a biological sith, but the game is set in the dark times. How dumb does it sound to play off the Red Reaper stuff from SWTOR, and say that my prospective character was locked in stasis for a few thousand years alongside a few other sith purebloods?

>>48240614
>tfw no dukes of hazard star wars

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>>48240614
I'm sure you will. We'll save a good spot on the battlefield for you.

>>48240478
You seem pretty determined to believe that the guys grown in tanks (explicitly altered to be loyal to their buyer) to be sold as soldiers to whoever waves cash at the Kaminoans were given any degree of self-determination or treated as actual people.

Their entire business model is pumping out clones for sale, how likely do you think that the Kaminoans would let their product walk out the door because he didn't feel like fighting for the customer?

They may have transferable skills and clone POGs are a given since they form 99% of the GAR but those guys are still military personnel.

The possiblity of if/how many clones were allowed to retire (as opposed to being disposed of or deserting) under the Empire is unclear. But this is only after being replaced by other sources of manpower. During the CW though they rolled off the assembly line to die fighting killer robots so proper people didn't have to (and serve Sheev without question).

>>48240800
Treatment of clones is inconsistent as hell and Republic military policy really is vague and poorly explored. Sometimes, they're treated as disposable, meaty droids. Sometimes, they're treated like normal people, especially when Anakin and Obi-Wan are in charge. And for all the shit the OJO gets, it's entirely possible that a Jedi could pull strings to get some discharge application papers approved.

Yes, the overwhelming majority are conscripts in combat roles, and yes, Geonosis was pretty much entirely involuntary. But there's so much uncertainty regarding the actual laws, bureaucracy, and ethics of flash-training (or whatever it's called). They were paid, the terms of their service were never discussed by writers, and many exhibited a great degree of autonomy. Some clones were even given certain roles specifically because of their above-average autonomy. As much as I dislike Traviss, didn't she have a bunch of defective clones who wanted out and weren't euthanized by the Kaminoans? And who knows how the hell EULA policy works in the Republic?

How much of it is happiness in slavery? How much of their willingness is indoctrinated and how much is due to genuine personal preference? How much of it is "I do this because I'm good at it?" "Slavery" is hyperbolic and erroneous, but they obviously aren't completely free men. Indentured servants seems to be the most accurate descriptor, but even that's iffy because we have no idea what would happen if the Republic had survived the Clone Wars.

>>48241088
>Sometimes, they're treated like normal people, especially when Anakin and Obi-Wan

To be fair, some people also treats droids like people and they are hella not real people according to republic law.

>>48241088
It's true there is a lot of conflicting information, vagueness and plain daft ideas. It's the Star Wars EU after all.

It seems to me though that the tenuous arguments for clone conscientious objector has more to do with whitewashing the GAR/Republic and by extension the Jedi than anything else.

Because if you just go by the film you do have vat-grown slave soldiers, purchased by the Republic and thrown into combat on Genosis. And despite some reservations the Jedi go along with it, and install themselves as the commanders for said army.

This is a thorny issue if you want the Republic and the Jedi to be the good guys, and so excuses and work-arounds are produced to mitigate the dubious morality of it all. Both on the part of EU writers and the fans. Endor holocaust anyone?

And even if Anakin and Obi-Wan treat them like people, that is setting the bar pretty low. It's not a great argument for clone rights if you are touting the fact that some of them get acknowledged as people instead of meat-droids.

what do you think about this fix for the e wing?

"Advance Flight Computers": System Upgrade. 2ish pts. E Wing only. After performing a Barrel Roll, you may turn the facing the the E Wing by 90 degrees.

>>48241833
IIRC, based on modern definitions (the 1930 ILO Forced Labour Convention), forced labor doesn't include:
>compulsory military service of a purely military nature
>work or service in an emergency, meaning a situation which would endanger the existence or the well-being of a whole or a part of the population

A galaxy-sized war would call for the first part, while the effects of said war would certainly lead to a whole lot of emergencies. There is a counter-argument in that they were "sold" to the Republic, there's not much legalese about it. I'm also not qualified to discuss the details of military contracting.

Slavery also often requires absolute, indefinitely long control, as well as minimal to no remuneration. There is insufficient hard evidence to argue for or against either of these, given the brevity of the Clone Wars and the lack of information regarding Republic minimum wage laws or military pay grades.

The GAR is still shady as fuck, and the clones were quite obviously second-class citizens (if they even had citizenship), but "slavery" is still an inaccurate descriptor. Treated poorly, but not in such a way that they comfortably fit common legal categories of slavery (by real world standards).

And yes, Anakin and Obi-Wan not being assholes is setting the bar pretty low. There's not much else to go on with any real degree of consistency, so I can't shore that one up much. One Jedi was kicking clones out of dropships in an early comic, and come TCW, he's rewritten as a decent fellow. The size and breadth of the Senate make it impossible to really find a clone-related stance that represents the Republic leadership as a whole. Most Jedi, however, appear to have been uncomfortable with the principle of clone conscripts and tried not to be douchebags about it.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/7/11/fight-in-the-front-lines/

Forged in Battle coming in August.

>>48240478
Your can quit a job that you don't like.

At best they were conscripts whos lives were carelessly spent by some of their commanders.

At worst they were property, bought and sold. That the Kaminoans would accelerate their growth to make them more saleable despite it drastically reducing their lifespans tells you they were valued more as an asset than as people.

>>48241088
You keep banging on about it being possible for there to be clones that were allowed to not fight but without even a mention of that being a possibility it just doesn't stand up.

>>48242197
>Your can quit a job that you don't like.
Yeah, lemme just walk into the Battalion Commanders office, tell him I don't like the Army anymore, and that I'm quitting. Then I'll just drive off post and never come back.
Oh.
Wait.
If I do that, it's desertion.
>Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.
2012 Manual for Courts-Martial.
Now, nobody's served more than 12 months confinement for it since 2001. But you WILL eat a Dishonorable Discharge, which pretty much fucks the rest of your life forever.

>>48241088
It doesn't make a lot of difference what the Republic would have done with them after the war, almost all of them died before the age of 40.

>>48242013
The fact that they were a commercial product, sold as soldiers to the customer and having no say in the matter ticks most of the boxes for slavery. It's dubious that given the genetic tampering and what is effectively brainwashing that most clones (possibly excepting the ARC troopers) could even give informed consent for anything.

Consider that real-life Mamluks, Janissaries, Ghilman and other similar organisations were considered slave-soldiers despite status and wages in many cases. They were still property though.

>>48242288
Great example.

You volunteer to serve in the military for a period of time and the penalties for just quitting aren't that high in the scheme of things.

Being born into service, forced to fight for the cause of the people that bought you and being executed for trying to leave is a bit different.

>>48242336
Exactly. Keeping good slaves happy doesn't make them any less slaves.

Even the indentured servant angle doesn't really hold up since that is a contract entered into willingly and for a defined period of time.

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>>48242288
>Yeah, lemme just walk into the Battalion Commanders office
Lucky they've got a chip in their head which will let them just shoot the commander whenever its triggered!
Even if they've been battle buddies for years and saved each others lives, there's something fairly creepy about an MKULTRA type of brain programming

>>48242347
>and the penalties for just quitting aren't that high in the scheme of things
Did you miss the part about how they can literally give you any sentence up to and including the DEATH PENALTY for it?
They haven't recently because it's pretty much all been dumbass privates with less than a year in service deciding they made a mistake and running back home.
And a DD is pretty much the same thing as being a convicted felon when it comes to finding a job, if not worse.

>>48242197
>without even a mention of that being a possibility
Even conscript armies need mechanics, cooks, medics, and clerks. Something also had to be done about the clones who were rendered combat-incapable through injury or psychological trauma, and the Jedi don't seem like the people who would have allowed mass liquidation.

>valued more as an asset
Why did the Republic keep failed specimens like 99 around, though? Why did the Kaminoans let Skirata keep his Null-class instead of liquidating product that could easily have become a liability? These bits don't match up with the common party li--

>>48242413
>the fucking brain chip
Well, shit, I forgot about that. Yeah, that right there probably wins the argument for clones being slaves.

>>48240255
I am willing to debate you on this pool of lava

>>48242460
Really? Genetically engineered to not live long past the age of 40 ao they can be shaoved into combar earlier, and it tool the mind control chip to clue you in?

>>48242508
>all those typos

Fucking phone. I should just claim "stroke" and be done with it.

>>48242460
Being a vat-grown mechanic doesn't make them any less slaves than the infantry clones.

Also brain chips.

>>48242456
Big difference between just abandoning your post and asking for early discharge. Competent armies don't want unwilling soldiers as they are ineffective.

Death penalty for desertion is something that happens during desperate times. Buying an army of slaves because conscription would be unpopular isn't especially desperate but we know that's what happened to clones.

>>48242460
Being made a cook or a mechanic is in no way no longer being a slave so what's your point?

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I think the real elephant in the room is semi advocating Child Soldiers

but thats just par for the course of fiction for some weird reason (hello Naruto!)

>>48242508
>Genetically engineered to not live long past the age of 40
Even that's woefully inconsistent. They aged at "twice" the rate of normal humans according to the Legends page but human life expectancy is all over the place depending on the writer. Pellaeon was still spry enough for active combat duties in his 90s. Going into the low hundreds is common, and there are people who have pushed past that.

Besides, reanimation serum is a thing. There was also a plot thread about a cure for clone ageing but I don't remember how far that went. The age thing isn't nearly as big a deal as people think.

>>48242610
>>48242565
I was arguing against the point of there being no possibility of non-combat roles, and thus, no freedom of choice within the military. Nobody ever argued that they weren't conscripts. Also, see previous posts--conscription does not necessarily fall under the legal definition of slavery, according to the ILO. Without the brain chips, there's still wiggle room to argue that they were merely conscripts rather than true chattel.

>>48240800
>>48241088
>>48241833
>>48242013
While we're on the topic. Why the hell did Sheev scrap the clones? We know he used Spaarti clones, which were apparently quicker to make and more loyal even if less effective. But why did he scrap the Kamino clones? He could've had the standing Stormtrooper recruits, the Spaarti clones and Kamino clones to go with it.

Do we know what template they used for Imperial-era Clone Troopers? Was it still Jango Fett?

>>48242766
>But why did he scrap the Kamino clones?
The aiwha-bait decided to rebel.

>>48242778
I know, but what's the issue? Just kill them, subject them to occupation and use their facilities. Still don't see a problem here.

>>48242766
well EU wise the Kaminos were actualyl horrified that their "brain chipped pre programmed slave army" were used to create an evil empire so they rebelled

empire sent 501st headed by Boba Fett to shut their shit down.

at least according to Battlefront 2

>>48242766
Sheev did it because he had a dream where Lucas told him he had to scrap the clones in order to weld the prequels to the OT canon.

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>>48242697
heh, they wonder why the padawans ended up all kinds of fucked up.
>be 12
>get sent to a vast warzone
>get given a command
>watch 1000's of people get killed, dismembered and wounded during your formative years
>sometimes they die because you fucked up
>sometimes you kill the enemy in hand to hand combat

I mean shit, I did a lot of tours in some terrible places which still haunt me a bit to this day and I was an adult and trained officer that elected to be where I was. Little kids, those fuckers would be walking razorblades in any 'normal' society after seeing some of that shit.

>>48242758
We know that by 35 they looked like old men and most stormtroopers were not clones any more. By 40 they were almost all gone. That was their lifespan.

>>48242758
If I take a million children, put them through a few years of accelerated ageing and modification to make them more amenable to following orders (plus a control chip in their heads to make sure) while shortening their lifespan drastically then sell them to another country to be forced to serve in their military under generals that can get them killed or directly kill them without sanction that would fit under the ILO's definition of conscription?

I mean apart from anything else the ILO's definition doesn't allow a country not involved in a war to send its citizens to be another countries conscripts, let alone sell them.

>>48242758
>I was arguing against the point of there being no possibility of non-combat roles, and thus, no freedom of choice within the military


Considering that combatant clones were trained from decanting and in some cases made from altered templates specialised for their intended roles what makes you think it was any different for the support personnel?

Clone DS-872 is a mechanic because all the clones of Batch-T49 are mechanics, not because he was a grunt who decided to transfer as shooting things didn't agree with him. Kamino has a quota to meet here.

>>48242845
I'd argue that the few people who survived the Clone Wars WERE walking razor blades in 'normal' society. I mean Kanan spent a time as a street urchin and fell into smuggling, Anakin had a psychotic break, Obi-Wan obviously falls into a deep depression after having tried to kill his best friend, there's numerous EU examples of Jedi who just went batshit after surviving the war and the purge and have to be put down.

Then again, it wasn't quite the focus it should have been. I mean hell, at least Luke when he starts HIS order starts with adult students and then starts taking younger ones on a summer-camp basis.

>>48242845
>>48242984
yea this is pretty much par for the course of these child soldier scenarios

I mean no fucking shit! of course Sasuke in naruto is going to become a batshit crazy murder hobo hellbent on ruining his "homeland". did you see what you guys did to him as a kid?

>>48242766
Because there is little coherence between the prequels and original movies and it is a fallacy to attempt to piece them together, no matter what Lucas say

>>48242961
Maybe, but we know indoctrination doesn't lock troopers into their roles most of the time. Idiosyncrasies develop. Unexpected personnel shortages happen. Vehicle crews on R&R might be pulled into helping another unit's mechanics. A shuttle mechanic might learn some stuff from the crew of the craft he services.

>>48242944
>another country
Was Kamino officially an ally or member of the Republic/Senate? The Wook says it was "affiliated" but doesn't go much deeper than that. If so, then it could be construed as a member state contributing conscripted troops to its government or a political ally sending draftees to help out.

If not, then that's a lot fucking muddier. Conscription by itself might be technically legal, especially due to the emergency situation, but "child soldier" status is a lot more difficult to determine when the subjects are biologically adults and educated to a level that would be the equal of many adults. I have no clue how rapid ageing would figure into forced labor legislature.

>shortened lifespan
Still not exactly all that short. Depending on the author, a clone could still live a full life in that time and die happy. Battlefront 2's clones, at least, were still pretty damn spry by the time ESB happened. The plot potential in TCW's ageing cure and Galaxy of Fear's resurrection serum never got explored, either.

>>48242861
Canon is a tad inconsistent and Legends didn't do much with clones after the Rebellion era. Rebels' clones were old but still fit and sharp enough to fight. Meanwhile, Lords of the Sith (IIRC), which happened a nearly decade earlier, showed us a clone who was already old and dull enough for Vader to consider retiring him.

>>48243519
The prequels weren't that bad. They weren't good, but they really don't deserve the level of vitriol that they inspire in people. They were just average.

That's not good enough for anyone though, because it's Star Wars so it was never going to live up to the hype, so everyone shit a brick that the phantom menace wasn't the next Citizen Kane.

>>48243765
I actually liked the new perspective the prequels got me. Anakin & Luke both have their similarities like their initial boldness & overconfidence as well as their reactions to their loved ones being endangered (Anakin's mom vs "If you will not join, perhaps she will"). Despite that, their different circumstances lead them to end up in various different positions.

>>48244006
Oldfags like me grew up with the original trilogy, so really what they expected was for the prequels to bring their childhood back. And when it didn't, because nothing in the world can, it just drove home harder than ever that you can't stave off adulthood.

I really believe that the intense hatred is more about people suffering through a crushing existential crisis rather than being angry that the new Star Wars was just another underwhelming generic sci-fi action movie from the 90s.

Or because people want to fit in, and the other geeks told them it was bad. Either way, now that we have all gotten some distance on the films people seem less inclined to bash them as a knee jerk reaction.

>>48240206
so the Ghost doesn't have a cannon slot, but can I put the autocannon in the turret slot to do the autocannon+accuracy corrector combo? Does that reduce my firing arc?

>>48244006
They also have different temperments. For all his brashness, Luke is actually the most calm and patient one of the main cast in the OT. He's also much less selfish than Anakin, though I'd lay the blame of Anakin going from slightly-cringeworthy child to creepy stalker-vibe teen on the Jedi Order.

Plus, Luke has faith that his friends can save themselves without him. Or at least, he learns that faith after Bespin and that's why he lures Vader away with himself as the bait.

>>48244158
whoops, i see. autoblaster turret does the same thing as autocannon

>>48244156
>the new Star Wars was just another underwhelming generic sci-fi action movie from the 90s
Are we talking about the prequels or EP VII?

>>48240018
Far Horizons says the HWK series was discontinued during the Clone Wars. Based on that, I assume that the HWK-1000 was a last ditch effort to revive the line. It must have been produced at the end of the Clone Wars since it was the Imperial authority who demanded production of the HWK-1000 stop, so it's at minimum 19 years old at the time of the battle of Yavin. That, combined with the fact that there were so few produced, is probably enough to call it vintage.

>>48244381
Prequels.

The fact that you're asking just makes me more confident in my opinion that it seems like the hatred died down over time. People HATED the prequels when they came out.

>>48244434
There's a whole new subsection of fans who are now starting to like the prequels for no other reason than TFA being out, so it's a bit hard to tell sometimes.

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>>48244156

>so really what they expected was for the prequels to bring their childhood back. And when it didn't

The problem was it did, but just the shitty parts. Pic related.

Sure 3 ninjas was a fun movie, when I was a kid, but sitting through all of the young Anakin bullshit as an adult was just grating.

I think ep 1 and 2 definitely get more hate than they deserve, but ep 3 was just a right shitpile. The bad parts were just so fucking bad and they dragged on for too long.

I dunno I think the bottom line is that oldfags need to realize that that shit wasn't for us. Emo teenage anakin was for well, emo teenage kids. Jarjar was the new ewoks etc.

tl;dr there were shit parts in the movie but they're blown out of proportion by how much screen time they actually took up vs the cringe level.

>>48244539
Well, that's weird. Honestly, I don't think the prequels are good but they're not so bad that it ruined the world forever. I'm glad that people can be aware of the flaws and look past them and are enjoying the Star Wars universe.

I liked TFA despite the fact that it was kind of sterile and formulaic. It was a really solid film.

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>>48244539
>>48244434
I just disregard 'em for that very reason. There are, and always will be grognards that cannot and will not accept new content (in any setting for that matter). Right up until TFA came out, speaking of prequel content often drew quite a bit of negative attention. Now with TFA out and The Great EU Culling, you still hear grumbling about prequel content and the Clone Wars, but it is nowhere near as bad as the hate for TFA.

>>48244434
>People HATED the prequels when they came out.

well you know, unless you were 8 years old

and Star Wars Pod Racer on the N64 was your cocaine

>>48244548
> but ep 3 was just a right shitpile. The bad parts were just so fucking bad and they dragged on for too long.


I actually know someone who is convinced that Revenge of the Sith was better than Return of the Jedi. And hes like 28, married, and claims to have good tastes in movies (he said that when he stepped out of the theater after seeing attack of the clones, he was like "yea this was not a good movie")

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>>48244548
One of the problems of the movie is that tonally it was all over the place.

It had a story about a little jedi kid in a pod race and jar jar binks cartoon slapstick, but thena huge chunk of the plot revolves around trade disputes and senate hearings which, as we all know, children love. So it really wound up being a total mess.

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>>48244665
You should see the SW Rebels threads on /co/ as of late, it's filled with these kinda people, defending basically everything in the prequels and just being immensely butthurt about TFA existing.

It's actually insane how deluded they are.

>>48244665
It's becoming like D&D where every edition is someones favorite edition and they think the new editions are shit.

>>48244727
>plot revolves around trade disputes and senate hearings

I'm amazed on how much space politics was a part of the clone wars cartoon

well that and people getting stabbed with lightsabers CAUSE ITS KID FRIENDLY!

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>>48244753
except pathfinder

fuck pathfinder!

>>48244752
I havent been to /co/ in years. how much of their rebel talk is about how they want to fuck ezra in the butt?

>>48244638
>It was a really solid film
I'm only going to argue this point here and only a little bit. The movie was mostly solid, but there were definitely beats that didn't need to be there.

Like that whole sequence in Han's ship with the monsters and the chase and the egregious cgi. That was out of a whole different movie, it felt like. Plus the last like three minutes, but those are my real gripes with the thing.

>>48244754
None of it makes any sense, either. Why was the trade federation working with palpatine in the first place? He couldn't promise them political favors without revealing who he is. If they knew who he was, why did they not sell him out immediately after things started going south for them? Why would you force someone to sign a treaty? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the treaty? At that point, why not just forge her signature?

>>48244779
Pathfinder is just 3.5 with minimal polish and all the problems. Fuck Pathfinder!

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>>48244800
>Like that whole sequence in Han's ship with the monsters and the chase and the egregious cgi. That was out of a whole different movie, it felt like.

they needed to check "dianoga like scene" off the list.

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>>48244800
>but there were definitely beats that didn't need to be there.

I totally agree. Also, there was not enough Poe Dameron or space battles. Both of those problems could have been solved in the third act by taking out that stupid "super mega ultra death star" and replacing it with a gigantic space armada battle. That would have been tits.

>>48244818
>He couldn't promise them political favors without revealing who he is.

Lord Sidious promised us peace!

>CHOP

>>48244850
Oh right, I forgot about that. Though I still think that makes Finn the Luke analog.

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>>48244752

I see the prequels as having faults, I think parts could've been better. They're not 100% god awful.. TFA I had no issue with besides the fact there was another big superweapon (even though there were tons in the EU already before the culling)

Waiting on Rogue One but apparently everyone hates it just because there's a woman in it (like all Star Wars media has a woman in it?? I don't get it lol)

>>48244861
>not enough Poe Dameron

dat feel when if ANH came out today and Wedge had more screentime that he would get as much fanfiction as poe.

>>48244893
If they knew he had political influence why did they not start pointing fingers immediately???

"Look, it was all this guy in the hooded robes idea! We have the holorecordings! want to see them? He kinda looks like Palpatine, and sounds like him too!"

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>>48244926
>(even though there were tons in the EU already before the culling)

Hi there teeg

why dont you love me teeg

I am the best, most perfect super weapon in the galaxy. I am a god! worship me!

>>48244926

As for Jarjar, I couldn't care less. I was 9 when I saw the movie and I loved him. He got annoying over time. if I ever have to watch Episode 1 again I just tolerate him in the same manner as Qui-Gon, who seems irritated at him throughout.

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>>48244752
>>48244753
Exactly. It's somewhat sad to see, but I've ultimately given up on trying to argue and sometimes even converse with such individuals. They're never going to change. It's better to just leave them to themselves, raging away in their own little worlds.

>>48239758
Considering these built up as the war went on I assumed the clones just fudged their requisitions a bit.

enough movie talk!

WHY DOESNT ANYONE LIKE STAR WARS ARMADA!

we (sort of) fixed squadrons now!

Honestly, TFA has kinda given me new appreciation for the prequels just for the fact that they had their own style.

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>>48244989
That isn't healthy. They don't have to like the new stuff but really shouldn't be working so hard to maintain an emotional state that serves no other purpose than to make them absolutely miserable.

Don't go to the Dark Side!

>>48244753
The Transformers/Zelda model fits for us now as well. Hate the new but suddenly cherish the old. Like how TCW was hit hard way back but once it was done and Rebels was announced, suddenly people liked TCW. Luckily the hate for Rebels didn't get too big.

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>>48245054
Does anyone remember the Samurai Jack guy clone wars series? That show was awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbV8SVYe2_I

>>48244988
Which just raises the question of why he brought Jar Jar along, but apparently Qui-Gon has a habit of doing just that.... for some reason.

>>48244989
>>48245045
I'm amazed that there hasn't been a troll/grognard infestation yet. Heartfelt or rational conversations are usually a signal.

>>48245054
>suddenly people liked TCW.

I though it was

"season 1 of CW is cringe worthy garbage. season 2 and onwards is actually palatable, if not downright neat EXCEPT FOR MY WAIFU BARRISS TURNIGN EVIL"

for rebels I think its "the first 4 episodes are kid garbo, the rest are good (unless you hate ashoka)"

isnt Thrawn rumored to become a rebels villain?

>>48245054
>The Transformers/Zelda model fits for us now as well. Hate the new but suddenly cherish the old.

wait, people didn't like A Link to the Past? thats cray cray!

>>48245101
Aw yeah.
For those that doesn't know, this aired before the release of Ep III, so I think it was the first time anyone saw Grievious. And boy was he terrifying.

>>48245120
I remember the best TCW arcs getting shit on when they were coming out. Shit really did flip.

Also Thrawn is rumored, we'll know in three days.

What was Luke up to between ep v and vi that he got so much powerful in a mere six months? I mean, he wasn't training more with Yoda, all that power to easily beat Vader must have come from somewhere.

Remember when fans really hated RotJ? I still see it get hate.

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>>48245172
.... And then he's a wheezing jobber in the actual movie.

Thanks George.

>>48245172
>>48245101

Not even the creator of the series, George Lucas himself, could stop Star Wars from being good now.

>>48242845
Now now.

They were 14.

>>48244818
>>48244893
He made them promises based on the principle of "I'm a Sith, just do your part and I'll do mine. Or I'll cut 'ya." The big problem was them taking the bait and following it in the first place.

As for the Trade Federation trying to force Naboo into a treaty, and lots of other CIS nonsense, that's their whole schtick. Everything they try to do is 'technically' legal. They use law and contracts to get people in line, and use their droid armies to pen them into a corner if they don't follow their finely worded deals.

>>48244964
"Kevin J Anderson is the cancer of EUs."
-The Orange Catholic Buttlolrian Apocrypha

>>48245172
>For those that doesn't know, this aired before the release of Ep III, so I think it was the first time anyone saw Grievious. And boy was he terrifying.

though lets be real here

the ONLY REASON he coughs ISNT BECAUSE OF MACE WINDU in the cartoon

but old George had a cough, and they thought it was funny so they recorded it.

>>48243722
Kamino only got a Senate seat after it provided the GAR.

>>48245196
You mean him getting really angry at the threat to his sister?
I think you just like asking leading questions.

>>48245230
I mean, they were a massive organization with fleets and armies and, I assume economic influence since they were called the trade federation.

What could he have possibly have promised them? It was never made clear.

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>on /tg/
>no one talking about the games of star wars

sadness

is it just me or does Dash look a lot more like Chris Pratt now?

>>48244861
JJ Abrams wanted an underdog fight.

Which he made with a completely retarded premise. But you take what you can get.

>>48245325
He could have had that. Like, if the first order had secret shipyard factories producing a massive fleet that they were going to use to take back and occupy the New Republic by force and they massively outnumbered the Republic fleet. That would have made way more sense, too.

>>48245196
Training on Degobah with yoda. Also all the EU stuff that isn't canon anymore.

>>48245355
>That would have made way more sense, too.

welcome to star wars. land of "HOLD YOUR FIRE THERE ARENT LIFE SIGNS ON THAT ESCAPE POD"

>they could have shot the pod
>no plans for rebels
>empire wins war eventually since they have death star

>>48245355
No, that's a bad idea.

He could have just had the last shreds of the Republic Navy band together with the Resistance over Starkiller. That battle would have made some sense then.

>fleet of Resurgence-class Star Destroyers garrisoned around Starkiller
>don't show up to help against the Resistance

>>48245177

Is a trailer coming out or something?


>>48245105
I felt Qui-Gon was like "Okay you can come but if you die lol good luck."

>>48243722
Given that the existence of Kamino was secret how could it have been a Republic member?

>>48245303

Hmmm, Chris Pine with a beard.

>>48245392
>Is a trailer coming out or something?

Celebration Europe is in three days, so yeah we're about to get bombarded in new announcements and trailers.

do you think X Wing have a new CR90 kit to have Rebels cards?

and also docking clamps

although yeesh realistic Rebels art is really hit or miss

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>>48245177
Damn I love admiral Thrawn

>>48244392
>19 years old at the time of the battle of Yavin
And a '69 ZL1 is 47 years old, anon.
It's a whole other level of classic/vintage.

>>48244548
>ep 3 was just a right shitpile
Ironically the novelization is fucking AMAZING.

>>48245210
Grievous was the fucking Brock Lesnar of Star Wars going back to the Clone Wars. Post Episode III he was basically Zack Ryder. Why George?

>>48244902
>I still think that makes Finn the Luke analog
I'm actually really hoping we'll get more with Finn in the future. He has the potential to be a really great character, what with having to leave behind everything he's ever known, considered a traitor by former friends, and having to learn how to live like a normal person instead of just a meat-droid.

>>48245726
So who's Sami Zayn?

>>48245948
Young new fresh blood adored by everyone? Poe Dameron.

>>48245987
The best-liked character is the one JJ was planning to kill off after just a few scenes.

Hilarious, isn't it?

>>48245852
I want to see more of Finn too. Still mad he's not the Jedi, but I can get with Former Child Soldier Learns To Person. Hell, I could get with a whole slew of NO Stormtrooper Learns To Person.

They don't even get names, man. Just fucking numbers. That's fucked up.

>>48244861
>>48244800

I feel ya. I'd love more space battle, and seeing the actual New Republic fleet with repainted Star Destroyers.

As for the rathar (sp?) scene, yeah that was a bit weird. They could've just shot their way out onto the Falcon and gotten away, or something. Idk

>>48245666
Yes, that's why I mentioned the rarity. We can call it "classic" instead if you like.

Lead By Example up on KAT

>>48238713
Once that outdated piece of junk fits into the Imperial starfighter doctrine.

>>48246864

coughTIEHuntersDefendersandPunisherscough

>>48242766

They "scrapped" the clones because they were expensive. There's an arc of TCW dealing with how buying another 5 million clones would essentially bankrupt the Republic, but they desperately needed more soldiers.

We're also told that Jango Fett's gene stock was stretching thin, producing more and more abnormalities (prompting the creation of groups like the Bad Batch, experimental genetically engineered soldiers).

We know that most Clone Wars vets in canon were discharged by 5 years after the war (Tarkin, Lords of the Sith) but that younger clones are still serving the Empire up to and beyond the Battle of Yavin (Smuggler's Run).

In Legends, writers didn't give a fuck. Clones eventually got phased out simply because the Imperial military got fucking huge and the clones were simply not sufficient in numbers; eventually only the 501st were the only purely Fett clone battalion.

>>48244926
>TFA I had no issue with besides the fact there was another big superweapon (even though there were tons in the EU already before the culling)
I hear some complains are about how similar, it is to EP IV. In other words, a shameless rehash.

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>>48247300
What I'm hoping is, that now that they played the nostalgia card (which worked a lot because the prequels were so shit), they can give us something new and engaging.

I mean, they do have Rian Johnson writing and directing, so who knows how it'll go.

>>48247388
Yeah, as long as they'll actually go somewhere new with ep VIII, I'll grudgingly accept the sameyness of TFA.

>>48247300
>>48247388

Yeah I had heard to take two steps forward they wanted to take a step back to be safe.

I mean Episode I itself was someone of a rehash of IV in some respects (Tatooine and the battle around a space station near the end)

it's like poetry

>>48247111
I actually really like Filoni's assertion that the clones have been abandoned by the Empire, working docks and haulers, bitter and depressed and old and driven to drink.

It's such a Palpatine thing to do to drop his tools when he has no further use for them, too. Because to Palpatine, they were just tools, a means to an end, and he, Palpatine, has no use for the backbone of his force to kill off the Jedi and take over the galaxy.

[Born in the USA plays in the background]

>>48245040
If I do not think REALLY HARD right from the beginning of list building, through deployment and every fucking activation I lose. That is not what I am looking for in a game I play for fun.

Also: the rules are incredibly funky. Most games of Armada I have played had deeply unintuitive (and frankly, immersion breaking) outcomes. For example colliding with ships to keep you from coasting in enemy range is often a great plan, since it does not slow down your speed on the following turns. It is also very easy to end up with a situation where no action or maneuver can get two collided ships free from the collision.

>>48247300
The similarities lie mostly with there being a mcguffin stuck in a droid (death star plans / map to Luke), a young protagonist jedi orphan/adopted stuck on a fucking desert planet, an alluminum falcon, Han Solo owing money to someone bad, Chewie yelling a lot, stormtroopers, recolored and revamped tie fighters and x-wings, Tarkin/Hux, Vader/Ren, a doomsday device aimed at the good guys, and a last ditch run against it with starfighters.

Aside from Tarkin being replaced with the Emperor, the recolored ship part, and the droid with a mcguffin being done offscreen by dead Bothans, we've also just described Return of the Jedi.

>>48247388
Considering Rian Johnson did Looper, and the other movies he's done... I think we're set for 8 to be pretty solid. Probably gritty, probably gut wrenching, and probably full of twists you (actually) didn't see coming (but everyone says they did).

The first six Star Wars movies were uniformly terrible. At least episode 7 understands that its a movie for little kids. I hate the way they would try to slip "mature" themes into star wars and star trek in the old days. Nobody cares about stuffy old navy/military shit. Kids want actors and performances they can relate to. Kylo, Rey and Finn act like lost, clueless little kids through the whole movie kind of like little boy Anakin in the Phantom Menace. This is what sells and it's what audiences want. Not boring shots of big spaceships and long talks about the nature of the force.

>>48247510
Well, Return of the Jedi feels like a climax to what came before instead of a rehash. Obi-Wan admits that he lied to Luke way back when, Yoda dies and leaves Luke as the last Jedi Knight (that we know about, EU yadda yadda), the second Death Star is going to be bigger badder and better than the original, and Luke finally confronts his father on equal footing, Wedge gets his chance to shine, Han and Leia confirm they have an *understanding*, Luke shares his dark secret, and there's fireworks and a party at the end.

Oh yeah, and he makes the Emperor lose his cool by being aggressively pacifistic.

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>>48247562

>>48247605
Yes, yes... I don't actually think Jedi is the same movie. I was just pointing out that Star Wars movies have a lot of recursive themes, and it's very easy to say any of them are "just the same thing, all over again".

>>48247612
Ha ha! Clearly you have impeccable taste in cinema. Everyone knows Lucas created Star Wars as a parody after he failed to get license to do Flash Gordon. People take it seriously because they're retarded, but it was always a bad joke movie. Basically the "Scary Movie" of the Sci-fi genre.

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>>48247454
There's a shitton of similarities between TPM and ANH, even a lot of shots in TPM are outright pulled from ANH.

>>48246979
Now now now, while those excellent new craft are direly needed for developing additional mission capability, they can not be compared to the ARC. To give just one example of the enormous differences of the craft, the ARC is old and these craft are new. As you can clearly see, these craft are totally different! We just need to give Sienar a few more trillion credits to develop the Advanced Tie technology to a more mature stage.

>>48247670
You sound like a "professional correspondent" from Fox or CNN.

>>48247685
Scum ARC

WHEN

>>48247876
>Scum ARC
Probably never. The ARC is a MASSIVE hangar queen, and always was.
A rather poor choice for your average fringer scum type.

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>>48247876
>>48247923
V-wing for Scum 2022

>>48247923
Speaking of hangar queens...

IIRC the Rebel hangar waifus were something like:
A-Wing, nimble, small, quick, hard to keep up with
Y-Wing, hot milf, stacked, reliable
Z-95, slimmer hot milf, still got her girlish figure
X-Wing, all around awesome, go-getter, fucks like a tiger
B-Wing, amazonian badass, muscular, requires skill and demands maintenance
E-Wing, constantly sick Moe, with great potential if she could fucking stop being sick now.

What about Scum waifus?

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>>48248189
>Forgetting about the K-Wing who likes huntin', Four-wheeling in the mud, and dynamite fishin'

>>48248299
That was intentional... She's like the "special kid" in the group. They let her tag along, and she tries to be all tomboy, but in the end she's just fucking stupid.

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>>48248189
I feel like keeping the R7 units that work with the E-wing in good repair would be more of a hassle.

>>48244964
I really wish the other possible design from the book cover ended up being the real one.

question: is there an archive for 3D-printed ship storage options for tool cases that is sorted by brand?

All of the Star Wars movies were fucking garbage. The only good thing to ever come out of the franchise was Tie Fighter for the PC (XWVTF and Rebellion sucked too.)

>>48248785
Ok

>>48248785
That's really fucking neato. Now get in the bag!

>>48245419
It apparently wasn't a secret to everyone. According to the Wook, small parts of the Republic's elite have known about it for a while. Certainly enough to sign a small, obscure treaty or two over the years. Plus, the Republic is huge. You can't expect Obi-Wan to know about every single member planet.

>>48245705

Huh. I might have to check it out then. Is it in the OP links?

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>>48248189
I would play the ever living shit out of a kantai esque star wars game

even if it was "RNG the game"!

Star Wars fans are pathetic. How long will you cling to your worthless children's cartoon when there are so many great original sci-fi franchises in the world? Why do you nerds hate creativity so much? You're worse than fucking Christians, clinging to your stupid dead 70s children's cartoon franchise like a religion. You make me sick.

>>48248913
>kantai esque
>RNG the game
Why are you saying it twice?

>>48245101

Fucking loved it. I would so much rather have had more of this than the 3D clone wars.

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>>48248921

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>>48248329

>That was intentional... She's like the "special kid" in the group. They let her tag along, and she tries to be all tomboy, but in the end she's just fucking stupid.

So pic related?

>>48248921

butthurt Dr. Who fag detected

>>48248189

So ARC-tan would be Z-95's younger sister who's more of a christmas cake than a MILF and maybe needs a little work to get back in shape, but when she's ready and she has a solid team behind her she has distance like no other?

Did we ever do evil fighter waifus?

>>48240747
>>tfw no dukes of hazard star wars
It was called Firefly.

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>>48249230
>Evil fighter waifus
Some. The TIE series are pretty loud, great sprinters, and total freaks in the sack. Most of them bruise easily, though.

The Interceptor is a professional Samoan wrestler. The Phantom is also a professional wrestler, but invisible and the champ. Gunboat and Missile Boat aren't blood relations but they're part of the family, too. They're more about contact sports than track and field. Missile Boat is even more demanding and rich than the B-wing. Skipray tried hanging out with them for a while but found the Scum crowd more to her liking.

>>48245210
That looks like its from the Clone Wars show, But it's from fucking episode fucking 3.
Fuck you George.

>>48245429
No no, that's Captain Kirk. He was talking about Starlord.

>>48248921
Here's your (you)

Was it worth it?

>>48249425

I know, I was saying to me it looks more like Pine lol

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>>48249425
Who?

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I'm trying to understand this card. Another friendly ship can "treat the focus token as it's own," so does it consume the K-wing's token in the process?

Anyone ever play a Jedi and fall to the Dark Side?

>>48249580
Yes

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>>48249859
Alright thanks for the reply. I got confused with the Garven combo. I'm trying to make a list that has good synergy with everyone buffing each other up, but it seems like that is Empire's forte.

What is the meta for rebels? Is BBBBZ still good?

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>>48249753
Mine.

I'm too lazy to type out what happened, gimmie a sec.

>>48250011
How did it happen? How did you play it? Did she redeem herself?

>>48250038
I'm still writing her backstory, but her Master gets killed, she gets captured, tortured, and has a brief stint as a low-tier Darth's "apprentice". The whole time the Darth manipulates her into believing she's worthless and that she belongs at the feet of her superior Sith Masters, accepting whatever meager scraps of training they'll give to her. This leaves her feeling like her Jedi teachings betrayed her, and when she finally escapes, she doesn't go back to the Jedi.

>>48250061
So where is she now? Are you still playing her in a campaign?

>>48250097
That's just her back story, I haven't been able to play her because /nofriends/

>>48250214
Oh right, you mentioned that, my bad. I'm really interested in this FaD morality system and I was looking for some stories to see how it worked.

>>48234718
I'm sorry but you can't "Tough out" cut ligaments.

This is why GRRM and by extension GoT is for retards.

>>48234718
No he didn't. He gave Gregor minor flesh wounds. Had Oberyn severed Gregor's tendons, he would have been physically incapable of moving his legs or arms ever again and would be a paraplegic for the rest of his life, forced to watch everything unfold around him while incapable of doing anything but moving his head.

>>48250230
Basically, the way it works is that if you do bad actions, use Dark force points for powers/talents, have talents that are inherently dark side, or use a power that is inherently dark side, you get conflict that piles up through the session. Book has suggestions on what actions should incur how much Conflict, but GM can give more or less depending on circumstances (needlessly gratuitous, necessity, self defense, etc.).

When session is up, you roll a d10 and compare it with the conflict you earned that session. Roll under the conflict amount and you decrease your morality by the difference. Roll over the conflict amount and you increase your morality by the difference. No change is you roll the same amount of conflict you earned. You start at 50 Morality (if you didn't choose to modify it at character creation) and are considered to be light side due to having your primary force point generator being light side points. When you drop below 30 morality, you become a dark sider and instead use dark side points as your primary force points, and as you stay under 30 and go lower towards 1 on the morality scale, will incur certain other bonuses/penalties from being a dark side paragon. Only way to become a light sider again is to go above 70 morality, at which point you only become a dark sider again by falling below 30 morality. Going above 70 morality makes you a light side paragon and grants certain bonuses as you stay above 70 and get closer to 100 morality.

If you opt for triggering morality, then you roll a d100, whoever's morality is closest to this number is the one who gets triggered. GM inserts a moral dilemma aimed at that PC's emotional strength/weakness, if the PC engages their strength/weakness, then at the end of the session after conflict is rolled, whatever the result is is double (so, what would be -2 to the character's morality is instead -4, +5 becomes +10).

1/2

>>48250616
Yes I read the rules, but how does it work narratively? I was looking for an example of a character in game falling to the dark side.

>>48250647
"Does it work well?" is my real question.

>>48249580
Only if the ship treating the focus as its own is required to spend it. You can do stuff like firing Proton Rockets or using Poe's pilot ability without using Esege's focus.

>>48250647
>>48250675
It's really just however you want it to work. It can be as uneventful or huge and momentous and central to your campaign as you want to make it. If you want to make it so all the other characters have to intervene and try and get him to be good again, you can; if you just want to give Bob a heads up that he's dark side and then everyone continues the campaign as normal, you can.

Only thing is that doing dark side actions and such while other characters are in the know can grant them conflict via inaction. So if characters don't care for another character dragging their morality down, it will more likely lead to confrontations unless the character is actively working to hide their darker actions. That's really mostly it in terms of things that are more likely to happen regardless of how you narrate turning dark side.

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How bad is this build?
I kinda like this Wexley build (even though I dislike using a Wendig character). She uses the stressmech first, stressing both her and the enemy and then Bey's target lock to add a focus to her roll, which Ezra immediately transforms into a crit result. Jan Ors allows her to add an attack die and clear stress with Kanan, while still being able to fight using her TLT. Bey, while the weakest member of the squad is still sorta dangerous because of her durability and firing arcs.
Even if Wexley dies, the other two can buff and support each other enough to still be dangerous.

Quick question, does tractor beam affect large ships or just small? Can the enemy beam my YT into a rock?

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Thoughts on this build? The general idea is you space them out for maximum coverage, and have huge swaths of the board in your field of fire. The bombs are either for the initial sweep across the board, or to deter pursuers.

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!142:162,-1,-1,-1,31,-1,-1:-1:-1:;142:162,-1,-1,-1,21,24,-1:-1:-1:;142:162,-1,-1,-1,21,24,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Patrol%20Line

>>48252214
Both large and small ships receive tokens but only small ships get thrown around

>>48250974
looks good on paper. I'll probably give it a go when i get my ARCs.

>>48232899
>flippy, spinny shit
> complaining about that in a Star Wars thread
I hope the irony isn't lost on you.

>>48250316
>Had Oberyn severed Gregor's tendons
You do know armour is designed to protect those ligaments and tendons right? And that you can't just cut through armour.

You know this, right?

Right?

>>48253191
I ain't to fond of dem Prequels either, chum.

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Shit guys, kill everything super-dead in 15 minutes or less or your money back:

>Rexler Brath - Veteran Instincts, Tie/D, Tractor Beam, Stealth Device
>Omega Ace - Expose, Comm Relay
>Tomax Bren - Tie/Shuttle, Cool Hand, Fleet Officer, Systems Officer

I've been playing with this squad since veterans came out and it's not going to be the new meta or anything but I've had a ball wiping out a ship on each turn. Ghosts, Outriders and Shuttles are my bitch. Vessery is always going to be a better choice but this is some straight Khornate shit.

>>48253844
consider adding TIE mk2 too tomax, get some more options for green manouvers.

>>48254026
I've done that with a few games, but with the tie-shuttle there to give him things to do he doesn't care about stress all that much, but I've gotten value out of the stealth device. A lot of the time, the white 4-K is just as useful as the 1- or 2- turn and gives me some space to green forward if he has stress I need to relieve. I had a game where he got a Loose Stabilizer critical and then it was a factor, but if he's taking crits he's already dead anyway.

>>48254217
i more meant give the shuttle more greens for triggering system officer.

>>48254240
Oh, lol. Yeah, it's a 99 point list so there's certainly space for it.

New thread?
Before this one dies, if you would

>>48236417
It could help biggs get some more longevity for cheaper then most the other options.

>>48255791

Something like this then?

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!204:20,-1,74,2:41:13:;7:0,136,-1,6:21:25:;4:-1,185:-1:20:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

>>48232610
new thread before this one disappears into archives
>>48256222

>>48247546

If you haven't already watched it, go check out The Brothers Bloom. Fucking fantastic film.