Pathfinder General /pfg/ Broken Blade nerfs when? N. Jolly

For the record, I love BB to death.

I would like utility instead of damage, which seems to be the issue, but only at early levels. Or maybe it's fine, I'm not the expert.

Whatever happened to the PoW errata anyway, I thought that was "just around the corner" months ago

>>48216760
I honestly don't see such a big deal with anthropomorphic animals. Just makes it easier to spot the really creepy people and get rid of them.

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Is there a way to get Black Seraph on a Warlord other than by becoming a Black Thorn Knight?

Pic very related.

>>48216792
Apparently, if a race deviates too far from the humanoid standard, /pfg/ just starts violently shitting all over itself, if the last few threads were any indication.

>>48216874
You can take a trait for it.

You can take them through Advanced Study one by one.

>>48216897
What is the trait?

>>48216930
>Unorthodox Method (Regional, Any): You trade one of your class’s available disciplines for a different discipline of your choice. You gain the new discipline’s skill as a class skill.
From Expanded

>>48216973
Ah fantastic. Won't be getting much mileage from Thrashing Dragon anyway.

>>48216895
If it works for TES, it should work in Pathfinder.

Personally, I would love centaurs or ogres, but I recognise that might be a little too good. Even some of the Bloodforged halfway points would be dandy. I mean, we have those for skinwalkers or aasimar/tieflings.

>>48216930
Unorthodox method, someone just said it, though it's from PoWE, so you might have to clear it with your GM (PoWE is more balanced as is anyways)

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>>48216792
>>48216895
It's less that they're bipedal foxes which is furshit and terrible, it's that kitsune AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING ANTHROPOMORPHIC FOXES. Mythology has them as being ascended animals with magic powers, and commonly shapeshifting into humans. With pathfinder they should be foxes with the fey (shapeshifter) types. Feytouched animals.

And don't you even fucking start with "BUT FOXES DON'T LIVE THAT LONG" we fucking went over this garbage already.

>>48217041
Well that's fine. I would be okay with feral foxes -> humans.

I guess that explains why kitsune get all the hate, but not catfolk or w/e

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Akashit Mysteries PDF when?

>>48217070
That is mostly just my own bitching, but I imagine that's at least PART of why people hate it. I'm just ultra-buttblasted about it because it's one of the few bits of popular mythology I actually liked.

I will never stop being mad about this and dumping this explanation whenever someone asks, though.

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Who is best Empyreal Lord?
Ragathiel is overrated

>>48216777
And then we kept adding new bits and pieces to it and questioning their decisions

>>48217430
> CR 28
>18 INT

Yeah sure, anon.

Ragathiel for days

>>48216777
>>48217516
That's basically the trend with PoW.

Everything takes so long because stuff keeps getting added and added. Hell, there is a ton more stuff in PoWE than there every was in PoW.

Probably because they know even if there is another PoW or similar release for PoW content, it won't be for a longggg time.

>>48216777
Not really, it was "We'll start compiling, tweaking, play testing, tweaking, play testing, tweaking, editing, tweaking, throwing it all in the trash, compiling, play testing, tweaking, conclude, and release after we release PoW:E"

>>48217162
I recall something about how in super-early versions of the myth, they could be anthropomorphic foxes as well, but I can't seem to recall where.

If you got the ability to cast a single 9th level non-wish spell once a week. Which spell would you choose.

>>48217658
Miracle, baka.

>>48217658
Miracle
Shades

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>>48217041
>>48217162
How do you feel about people who choose to use the depiction of just ears+tail?

>>48217658
>>48217692
>>48217703
Okay rephrase.

The spell can't be Wish, Miracle, or anything that emulates the effect of another spell.

>>48217658
Shapechange Efreet > Wish

>>48217759
Lame.
Dominate Monster then.

>>48217658
Can I choose a lower level spell?

>>48217430
Damerrich. Ragathiel with less fanaticism and more cold justice.

>>48217658
Miracle :^)

Greater Create Demiplane.

>>48217753
is there dong?

>>48217770
Uh I don't think that's how it works

>>48217822
Probably not, I was still thinking of 3.5 shapechange. Pathfinder is much more limited with a few base spells to choose from, isn't it? I'm dumb.

>>48217807
Emphasis on the cold justice.

Ragathiel is all about the rights of the victim and oppressed, including their catharsis that their fate won't befall anyone else. That can mean revenge-murder, but not necessarily.

The Empyreal Lord of the 'wronged' is a wide category. Though based on how they stat Empyreal Lords for some reason, I'd rather he wasn't statted.

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>>48217629
But it's not their default form, is the thing. It wouldn't be quite so bad if they didn't get the rest of it WRONG.

>fox form isn't a default part of the race, and the kitsune's true form
>not fey typed, or even long-lived
>the magical tail feat line is really mediocre and totally unrelated to their "actual magic power"

>>48217753
Just the ears+tail is acceptable I guess. Not "right" to me personally, but a massive improvement that I would definitely rather use than canon kitsune

>>48217807
>Damerrich.
Muh nigga.
Though he's not really "cold justice", but rather more "You're gonna carry that weight space cowboy "

>>48217931
Aren't Tengu super wrong as well? Why don't people ever kick up a massive fuss about them?

>>48217997
Because Tengu aren't as obvious furbait as kitsune

>>48217882
I'd just like to point out that Ragathiel's Obedience is to kill someone who has performed an evil or unlawful act. Sure, maybe Ragathiel isn't all about murder, but he sure doesn't act like it.

In contrast, Damerrich's is to reflect on everyone you've killed and judge whether or not it was the right thing to do.

>>48217969
True. Still, he advocates not feeling guilt or regret when you commit to a just execution. Definitely comes across as cold.

Is Inner Sea Magic not in the Trove, or am I just blind?

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>>48217997
Because tengu are birds, and furfags aren't as crazy about birds as they are about foxes. They also aren't as popular in general. Like, seriously, I don't see them talked about.

I should probably actually read more weeb mythology if I'm going to shitpost about it. Last time I sat down and extensively read any was a book, years ago. Any suggestions for where to even find any?

So /pfg/ how would you make a void kineticist without going overly edgy?

>>48218086
Only once you've proven they are actually guilty. He only empowers those who are willing to do their job. No Empyreal Lord is just about wanton murder if they can be redeemed, especially for jay walking or selling with an expired permit.

I agree, The Weighted Swing (I personally prefer that name, though Damerrich is cool too) is definitely in my top two.

>>48218233
Start with wikipedia, look at the sources cited for possible additional reading material. Maybe try and find a copy of the kojiki?

>>48217430
Since when is Ragathiel thought highly of? He's a crazy nonsense asshole.

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>>48218240
I wouldn't

I play fighter because picking lots of feats is fun.

Rogue is fun because you get lots of skill points.

>>48218338
In all fairness, the Cardinal Martyr is easily the most insane Empyreal Lord.

>>48218357
k

>>48218357
Barbarian is fun because you get lots of hit points, right?

>>48218222
Yeah, looks like it's missing along with a few others.

>>48218254
Both of them are the opposition to the "You're LG, you can't kill that guy!" They're both the idea that sometimes people have to die for the world to be a better place. The difference is that The Weighted Swing is always reminding you to think before you act, then commit to it, while Ragathiel is not as reluctant to kill.

>>48218357
I like playing wizard because I get lots of spells.

>>48218415
Damn.

A while ago I asked what would be the best character to bring to a game where I didn't know what anyone else was going to bring.

An IRL friend recommended a warpriest, and after looking at them I am starting to like them. Good cleric support casting, self buffing when needed, full armor/weapon proficiency.

Will I be able to use a polearm, shield and still cast spells/touch people to heal them?

>>48217753
A lot of media depicts Kitsune as being unable to hide their tails while shapeshifted; the ears are just anime influence on top of that. I think it's acceptable.

>>48218453
>Will I be able to use a polearm, shield and still cast spells
No, you can use a two-handed weapon, but you can't have something in both hands and cast spells (without a feat or ability saying otherwise.) with a two handed weapon you can, as a free action, remove your hand from the weapon, cast the spell, and then put your hand back on as a free action.

>>48218378
Thats true.

>>48218543
Honestly, people complaining about Kitsune not being 'proper' just makes me think of Monster Musume and people's phenomenal waifufaggotry regarding it.

>>48218580
But I will be using a two handed weapon. A polearm. Shield + polearm works with the shield brace feat.

>>48218436
I would agree on The Weighted Swing and Ragathiel's similarities, though I would add the caveat that Damerrich is in favour of general executions (once properly considered), while Ragathiel is in favour of defensive executions (ie vengeance or protecting the wronged/more people from being wronged)

Honestly, they probably get along the best out of the Empyreal Lords.

>>48218681
That's not what he's saying.

Even if you are using a two-handed weapon, your hand is still occupied holding the shield.

Which is better for a Gunsmoke Mystic, Solar Wind or Tempest Gale?

>>48218777
...so can't I hold my shield and polearm in my left hand while casting with my right hand?

>>48218810
No, because your left hand is holding you shield. You can't hold two things in one hand at once.

>>48218681
A 2h polearm (and just a 2h polearm) can cast, as removing the hand is a free action, but when you use Shield Brace, you have to hold the shield in one hand, so you would have to drop your shield or something to cast.

>>48218681
Here is the actual feat:
>Shield Brace (Shield Mastery)
>You’ve mastered the art of balancing a polearm’s weight against a shield’s stability.
>Prerequisites: Shield Focus; base attack bonus +3 or fighter level 1st; proficiency with light shields, heavy shields, or tower shields.
>Benefit: You can use a two-handed weapon sized appropriately for you from the polearm or spears weapon group while also using a light, heavy, or tower shield with which you are proficient. The shield’s armor check penalty (if any) applies to attacks made with the weapon.

Things It doesn't mention:
>hands

So I have no fucking idea. In my mind a hand could hold both a shield and a polearm, just not in a usable way. I fully expect this feat to cause a huge shitstorm in PFS.

>>48218810
>>48218681
The feat you are looking for is shield mage, which allows you to cast a spell with your shield hand.

>>48218918
Buckler
>This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm.
>You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon...
>You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm...

Shield, Heavy; Wooden or Steel
>You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand.
>A heavy shield is so heavy that you can’t use your shield hand for anything else.

Shield, Light; Wooden or Steel
>You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand.
>A light shield’s weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although you cannot use weapons with it.

You could use it with a buckler, and arguably with a light shield

Huh: ok:

So Shield focus, Shield brace and shield mage together would allow a warpriest to use a polearm and a shield at the same time with no penalty to casting?

That is a lot of feats. Especially if I want improved init, Power attack, quicken blessing, step up, following step...

What order does ignoring hardness come in?
Say you're a half-orc with Smash(feat) letting you ignore 5 points of hardness. And an adamantine weapon lets you ignore hardness of 19 or less. but nothing if it's higher.

What happens if you hit a block of adamantine with it?

Do you ignore 5, making it 15 and then the weapon ignores everything?

Does the sword check first, making it no change, and then you ignore 5, resolving your damage against hardness 15?

Or do you simply use whichever is more favorable but not both --like bonuses or DR do -- and Ignore everything 19 or less while lowering 20+ by 5?

Shields are for losers anyway

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>>48219097
How exactly are you supposed to keep the exploding shrapnel of your enemies from clogging up your intakes then?

>>48219006
I am unfamiliar with shield mage, having not found it with a quick google search and I'm not interested enough to dig.

You could just use a light shield, as you would be able to free action grasp the spear with your shield arm, let go with your somatic hand, cast, free action grasp the spear again with your somatic hand and let go with your shield hand.

It's pretty much how casting with a staff or greatsword works anyways.

I'm looking to play a rogue all about his sneak attacks. But, i'm not wanting to rely solely on Flanking an Surprise Ambush.

What are some ways I can Deny someone their Dex bonus, besides knocking them prone, or using the Feint Maneuver?

>>48219349
Goz mask + eversmoking bottle.

If they can't see you they don't get dex.

>>48219349
Entangle them

>>48219387

But then my allies can't participate either.

>>48219391

They have a penalty to Dex, I don't see anywhere where it says that they're denied their dex bonus

>>48219349
Be invisible

>>48219460

More looking for 'Shows of Skill' (Flavor wise), rather than cheap tactics

>>48219349
Prone doesn't deny dex, it's just a flat penalty to attacks.

Hunter's Surprise might be a rogue talent you wanna get eventually though.

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So.. this is the campaign so far. In a nutshell.
>note the vampire painting in the back is a party member

>>48219483
You're not going to find much. Martial characters don't really get anything cool in Pathfinder.

Would /pfg/ be interested in a Hex Hunter Harbinger Archetype?

Its a Harbinger with Witch Hexes that he can stack on top of Claim.

>>48219410
Get them Goz masks too. Everyone gets in on the fun.

>>48219349
Scout rogue with a bow
Sadly you will only be limited to a single shot every round because you have to keep moving, but the only things you need is a bow, Vital strike feat and Gravity Bow spell.
Alternately get a Minotaur crossbow and go to town, you can be that gruff guerilla soldier veteran with schizophrenia or PTSD

>>48219523
That'd be cool, I'm wondering how to mix Hexes and the Harbinger myself actually.

>>48219509
CR3 MY ASS

>>48219509
CONGRATS, YOU PLAYED YOURSELF!

>>48219523
Seems like you'll slam face-first into action conflict problems.

>>48219509
A Tielfing Investigator, a Human Summoner and his Eidolon, a Human Paladin and a Human Rogue?

>>48219601
Actually Spiritualist with an Anger Phantom

>>48219509
0 days since last friendly stab incident.

who knew a dagger could take a level 2 character down to 0 in one thrust?

>>48219601
Tiefling Magus, Human Spiritualist and his Phantom, Aasimar Caviler, and an Aasimar warlord

>>48219601
>>48219626
And the Vampire is a Fetchling Mesmerist

>>48219607
>Anger Phantom
>Not having Scooby as a Gluttony Phantom.

>>48219626
>>48219650
Noice.

>>48218240
Go gravity, that doesn't seem edgy.

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>>48219687
thx senpai were all loving the campaign so far, probably the most RP-rich one any of us have done. we're all wishing it could go longer every night.

bonus pic for our forever-DM

>>48219349

You can also use Dirty Trick to Blind Them.

>>48219715
You were hoping it was nothing but encounter after encounter, 90% of them kinda-slow combat?

>>48219728
Huh? No we needed a break from combat after the last few campaigns. Combat seems to go pretty fast overall. We want it to go longer because we're having so much fun.

The
>FUCKING
Is mostly because I've played RotRL and the other players haven't so the DM kinda changed sandpoint a bit here and there, swapped some stuff out.

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>>48218240

>>48219598
Nah Gareth, the archetype basically stacks a Witch's hex every time he claims a target, thus boosting the potential penalties his targets already suffer from.

I'm debating whether the Hexes would be considered 'cursed condition' for any Cursed Razor maneuvers.

>>48219776

Well, they're not wrong.

What do people think of Legendary Rogues?


What 3pp materials do /pfg/ers allow or use in their campaigns?

>>48220043
I'm actually going to be reading over this pretty soon for research, so I'll let everyone know what I think once I do.

>>48220043
No idea on legendary rogues, but I allow PoW stuff and replace vancian casting with SoP. I also encourage my players to try Gonzo 2, which seems a lot more likely now that they have copies too.

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>>48218233
Tengu are just gigantic birds.
Both this:

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>>48218233
>>48220159
This:

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>>48220171
>>48218233
and this are correct:

>>48220073
Cool, looking forward to your thoughts.

So, what does everyone think of using the Wound Vigor system in Pathfinder?

>>48220208
Sidenote here, just finished reading Legendary Assassins, it reads like if the vigilante had gotten a prestige class form, but with slightly weaker talents and worse spellcasting. But doing an archetype for a prestige class was really cool.

>>48220292
Can you talk about Legendary Kineticists real quick? I liked your KoP stuff and Legendary Vigilantes is shaping up to be great, but what is in the LK book? I wanna know before I put money down on it.

>>48217931
All right, I know this will get drowned out with the same argument as before, but I'll give this a go and see if I can present my point in such a way that people don't explode with autism.

Maybe kitsune don't need to be the same across all permutations of media/myth. Now, the babyfur crap that's popped up in the last few threads has made me sick, sure, but kitsune just being anime con goers with their fake ears and tails is a bad rub in the opposite direction for me. I would rather have a property attempt something different and take things in a direction that might not make some people happy instead of just looking at the first five links of a Google search and go with that in an attempt to pander. Which option Paizo went with may be a matter of debate, but I would personally like the race that's descended from foxes to at least look like foxes instead of cosplayers.

>>48220315
Sure, let me open up my doc so I can get my 'talking points' since I have a trash memory.

BTWay, if anyone has thoughts on the Inquisitive Detective from the playtest, let me know. There's a bit of discussion on it, how many social talents is Inspiration (with no free uses by default) worth?

>>48220011
Ah, so you swift action save-or-lose 3 targets a round with Slumber. Seems totally okay.

>>48220350
That's fine, lots of creatures are immune to sleep.

Ravenlord and zealot need to be nerfed hard and mystic shouldn't be allowed to break crafting just because HURRR MARTIAL NEED TOY.

>>48220349
>There's a bit of discussion on it, how many social talents is Inspiration (with no free uses by default) worth?
1, tops.

2 if it works with an Inspired weapon but RAW that's totally investigator-only.

>>48220380
This. Give up your first social talent for Inspiration, and let you take investigator talents when you would gain a social talent. Also, consider adding studied combat/studied strike as a combat talent.

>>48220315
>Legendary Kineticist Breakdown
Okay, the thing about LG is this was me deciding that 1 more element was finally enough, and nothing about the base kineticist felt occult. So I made Mind (originally it was a 3 way split about doing mind, soul, or life, the latter two possibly coming out later if I dredge up the desire again). Mind is basically a candyshop of mental effects, and it has like 90 wild talents (30 or so infusions and 60 UWT), meaning it's pretty much good to go out of the gate, no supplements needed.

It's basically "get whatever mind affecting stuff you want" the element. I like a lot of it, but some of it is 'flavor trash', which is things you put in because an element SHOULD be able to do that thing.

The artistic summoner goes into stuff like ink painting as well as another chapter in "Jolly and Onxy try to make wood not garbage", which we do so by giving it Summoner style SM talent and the ability to make living sculptures, which I think is sick.

Awakened and Surge Fist are both "Hey, what if the blood rager and/or monk had a functional baby with the kineticist", especially after seeing the janky archetype for the kineticist with the monk. Both work pretty well, surge fist is probably the cooler of the two, and it has some faux DBZ mechanic to go copyright free super saiyajin.

Evoker Minstrel is a decent enough archetype to me, although I mostly made Onxy write it because they went crazy on the...

Soundstriker was originally for KOP 4 (coming out sometime in late august/early september), but I wanted more content for LK, so we moved it over, and making it universal with its own masterpieces and such was a better idea.

True Psychic was me realizing we needed at least one archetype based on mind, so it's really a full combo of aether/mind to get a real telekineticist experience. The mindscape stuff was a throw in, but it's also cool since mindscapes are cool.

TBC

Is there no Ranged Options for a Harbinger?
Is there any updates if a Harbinger can get the Privateer template?

>>48220315
>LK breakdown part 2

And war kineticist is just my prototype for the unchained kineticist (I posted that here a while back, it'll probably get added to a project once I refine it more.

Speaking of making wood good, the verdant line came from here, which allows you to grow plants around you like a disney princess, and then lets you create difficult terrain and choke people with plants.

Void got a lot of gravity support here, especially gravity sculptor, which is my favorite talent in the entire damn book. And here it is:

GRAVITY SCULPTOR
Element(s) void; Level 5; Type utility (Sp); Burn 0
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
You can create up to five 5 ft. cubes of space, treating them as
though they were affected by the no gravity, heavy gravityNLS, light
gravityNLS, or objective directional gravityNLS planar trait, lasting
for 1 minute per kineticist level you possess. These cubes can
be arranged any way you wish, but each cube must be adjacent
to another and must share the same gravitational trait. At 12th
level and every 2 levels thereafter, you can create an additional
5 ft. cube.

The feats and magic items are pretty bog standard, with a lot of stuff made to make chirigueon better and even MORE overwhelming soul support to the point where it's ALMOST viable. Plus I love the sample character and the art for this book more than I love most people.

If you check the paizo description thread, I also did a dev post there if you want more info about it, if you do pick it up please try and review it, and let me know if you want me to discuss anything else about that or anything else I've written.

>>48220530
I hear that Ravenlord is a pretty good unexpected range archetype if you build for it.
Send bird into melee, take range feats on harbinger.

>>48220380
I've seen some back and forth here, I think I'd want to have it take 3, but I could probably be talked down to 2, since it opens up a lot of windows of what investigator talents could be taken through feats and social talents to make it nice and amazing for skill monkeying.

>>48220559
Eh. Fuck that shit.

Limit it to one or two investigator talents tops.

>>48220482
>>48220546
Thanks for that! I'll probably take a stab at buying it then!

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>>48220546
That sounds like it fucks the map up something fierce.

>>48220639
No prob, I'm always game for answering question.

>>48220642
It really does, which is why I love it. Gravity in Occult Origins doesn't have a 'thing' aside from singularity and really bad negative levels, 80% of what I did with elements that weren't created by me were to give them a identity.

I would like to make a character based on Ruby Rose from RWBY. So likly musket + schyte. But i have little experience with making switch hitters. Especially with guns.

the character starts at lvl 13 and since im playing an adventure path will go up to about lvl 17. available material's is only the things Paizo have released so no 3rd party.

Does anyone wanna help ? ;)

>>48220718
>;)
No.

>>48220718
The closest thing to what would work for this would be a musket axe, and that is a janky weapon for janky people. Like you could go Gunslinger 5/Weaponmaster Fighter 3/Anything else 5, try to maximize both sides of it. Maybe vigilante for the levels, try to get some decent talents, but you're fighting a losing battle here.

>>48220800
I was afraid of that.. damn

>>48220718
Desperado Warlord with a musket axe might work, as would a bayonet if your DM lets you get a modern, doesn't clog the barrel one.

>>48220834
Nevermind, didn't read the whole post.

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Head Pat (Cha)

Check: By extending your arm in a non-threatening manner and flapping your arm and hand in the universal sign of encouragement, consolation and praise you can change the attitude of a creature from hostile, unfriendly and indifferent states to friendly.

Action: Takes 1 minute of solid and continuous head patting.

Special: If you have the Persuasive feat, you may head pat two heads at once.

Special: If you have any way to have multiple arms (from customizations, evolutions, the Multi-Armed trait, etc), you may head pat as many heads as you have arms free.

>>48220824
Without 3p you're dead in the water, although amusingly I just put out a 3p gunslinger book (the content's already review in my Gunslinger guide). If you can't use 3p, ask your GM if you can homebrew some stuff to make it not terrible.

>>48220718
Ranger can be decent for switch-hitters.

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>>48220930

>>48220930
>that picture
>knowing you're a sweaty autist but willingly being one anyway
Why? How do you sink this low?

I was bored and couldn't sleep.

So I made an initiating Henshin Hero archetype.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ANoYP3X_jAsNGN2L3akuHgP_kVRws_OuAS0hEMMcpy0/edit?usp=sharing

Do half-elves have to be exactly half-elf, or just have significant elf parentage?

>>48221239
>parentage.
I meant heritage.

>>48221239
Exactly half-elf, there's no allowance made for "significant elf parentage". It's not like the planetouched. Check out the Racial Heritage feat, though.

>tfw think about running game and recruiting from /pfg/
>come to /pfg/
>desire gone
Why do you guys have to be such massive artists?

>>48221198
Forrest we can see your name in the doc

>>48221259
Furfags and pedos realized this place was a hugbox for them.

>>48221198
Forrest turn on comments pls my tulpa is grossly offended that zhe can't play with you.

>>48221239
I remember I played a changeling who was
>1/2 hag
>5/16 human
>3/16 orc

>>48221265
Oops

>>48221268
The singular they is valid grammar

>>48221268
>>48221259
>type artists
>mean autists

>>48221294
It was fairly obvious, yes.

>>48221250
Damn. Well that feat looks neat, might keep it in mind for another character.

>>48221281
So hag mother, 3 orc great grandparents, 5 human great grandparents. Did you have a family tree?

>>48221268

>implying furries can't be decent Players.

Don't have an excuse for pedos. lolis creep me out.

>>48221294
That happened yesterday too.

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>>48221198
>That naming style

Forrest, by any chance you ever played ZHP Unlosing Ranger?

>>48221331
>implying lolis are pedos

>>48221342
>anime never

>>48221351
It's a more accurate implication than saying furries are into bestiality.

>>48221342
I have no idea what that is

>>48221351

I more meant that pedos MAKE lolis.

>>48221310
>So hag mother, 3 orc great grandparents, 5 human great grandparents. Did you have a family tree?
A damn complicated one because it involved the hag breeding changelings in our line for generations, rampant polygamy, and other bullshit. I was heir to the seat of a orc/human racial majority region.

The family was being manipulated on two sides. On one end by the Hag Mother and in the other by a malicious entity that lived in the mountain side that my character referred to as It That Lays In The Dark for lack of a better term. Succession was complicated and the character's father was a servant of ITLITD.

I juggled the orcish chieftains, my father finding out about plans to overthrow him, the hag mother's call, the fact my witch patron was likely TWLITD, and other horse shit.

>>48221362
Its a pretty fun sentai/tokusatsu hero game for the PSP

>>48221440
Zettai Hero Project, NIS's (of Disgaea fame) shot at making a HENSHIN game

>>48221130
So you've finally looked into a mirror without averting your gaze, how did that make you feel?

>>48221130
I consider it a meme image, but sure if it makes you feel like you won an Internet fight.

>>48221571
>n-no u!
Does your sort really still think the mirror retort is witty?

>>48221440
Good to know. I don't have a PSP sadly or I might have checked it out.

>>48220930
Is it just me, or does that second Special negate the first? Nearly everyone has multiple arms, on account of "two" being multiple, and therefore you can already pat two heads at once.

>>48221591
PSP emulation is nearly perfect these days. Check out PPSSPP.

>>48221662
Will do. Probably. My videogame time has been eaten by overwatch lately.

>>48221672
Yeah, PSP Emulators are near flawless now with a decent PC. I'd also recommend Gurumin, Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky, Monster Hunter, God Eater and Phantasy Star Portable

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>>48221672
Forrest, what's your favorite Overwatch character?

>>48221680
>Monster Hunter, God Eater and Phantasy Star Portable

>three of the most grind intensive games
And we'll never hear from Forrest ever again

>>48221584
>I started shitflinging because I'm utterly devoid of a sense of humor and awareness of others and my opinions are the entirety of the world because I'm as large as it.

It's not a retort if it's true.

>>48221680
>Monster Hunter,
Why not recommend the Monster Hunter 4U? I think Forrest has a 3ds.

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>>48221690
Favorite as a character? 76.
Favorite to play? Junkrat. Honorable mention to Bastion.
Favorite memes? Pic related.

>>48221680
>>48221710
I do not have the patience for grind-heavy games desu

>>48221715
I do have a 3DS, yeah.

>>48221699
You can finish the plot to God Eater with minimal grinding. The side missions however definitely need a good grind to pass for a 100% completion.

>>48221732
>I do not have the patience for grind-heavy games desu
I love Monster Hunter. Don't touch Monster Hunter if thats how you feel.

>>48221732
Gareth actually did mention that he liked the Dad 76 memes

>>48221732
>>48221752
But look into some videos of it. Monster Hunter is how martials should be.

>>48221766
>Monster Hunter is how martials should be
what is Path of War?
More specifically, what is Primal Fury?

>>48221756
Dad76 is also amazing, meme-wise. I mostly just enjoy 76 as a character though. His voice actor is great, especially in the cinematic trailer for him.

>>48221766
One of my friends played it a lot a year ago on my local library's WiiU. It seems neat. That one armor skirt made of orange spikes is hella silly though.

>>48221778
>More specifically, what is Primal Fury?
thrashing around like a tard?

>>48221800
Congratulations, you now understand half of what Monster Hunter is.

The other half is dodge-rolling around the entire map like a tard

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>>48221789
Sounds like 3 ultimate. Pretty cool, but not the best.

>>48221806
Sounds like Soulsborne.

>>48221806
Sounds more like Dark Souls to me.

>>48221809
I see. Still, was neat and also a game I think I probably wouldn't enjoy. COol monsters though.

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>>48221882
The coolest monsters.

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>>48221896
>dragon throws another dragon at you

is there a theme park version of this game that I could play without the grindcrafting components?

I had a roommate who was just OBSESSED with MH Tri. She only owned the disc, the console and TV were mine, but she literally played it 12-18 hours a day. I dragged the TV and Wii into my room one weekend, so I could play my own games for once, and I woke up the next morning to her sitting on my bed, playing it anyway. I told her to gtfo and she said I could touch her however I wanted if she could just stay and play.

I got a new roommate soon after.

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>mfw no gunlance in PF

>>48221913
Get powerful build or any feat that lets you wield a large sized weapon.

Buy a Large Musket with suitably Large Bayonet

done

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>>48221913
>using shit tier weapon
>not using the greatsword

Do you even Monster Hunter?

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>>48221913
There should be.
>>48221906
I guess try out the Monster Hunter Generations demo? Demo lets you fight a few monsters with gear supplied to you.

I personally like fighting monsters multiple times in Monster Hunter. The first time I kill something, I usually feel like I stumbled through the battle. A clumsy victory. I get to learn from my mistakes by hunting the same monster. It gives me a sense of accomplishment to wreck that monster in minutes using the same gear I struggled to kill it with.

>>48221950
There's a reason my playtest is only going to last 2 weeks most likely

>Greatsword/Insect Glaive/Light Bowgun main

>>48221974
I totally get you.
>Heavy Bowgun main

>>48221974
Hey, if you look at the pastebin in the OP, you'll see the felyne/melynx homebrew race I wrote.

I plan on writing up a "Monster Hunter" base class with some alchemy and initiating. I think it would be wild fun.

>>48221996
Hammer/Charge Blade/Bow here.

I have a need for mobility, but also pointless, hilarious aggression.

>>48222162
>I plan on writing up a "Monster Hunter" base class with some alchemy and initiating

You mean a Polymath alchemist?

>tfw mods banned Qanon
Am I supposed to purchase my own books now?

>>48222992
>tfw mods banned 2hu
Ban evasion.

>>48222992
>>48222996
Where were you the day the namefags died?

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>>48223000
At home, masturbating to the portrait of my shota trap maid catfolk Pathfinder character.

>>48223043
Anon that is too many fetishes for a playable character. Have you considered playing as a human?

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>>48223231
Sure!

>>48222992
What for, specifically?

>>48222992
Wat?

>>48222992
This is by far the worst news I've heard in my years in /pfg/.

>>48223340
>>48223341
>>48223363
QANON was banned for "off-topic".
First for 24 hours, then the mod extended it to 72 hours while the ban was still in effect.

>>48223394
For evasion?

>>48223413
No evasion. The mod just extended it at a whim.

>>48223394
Off topic can mean anything. Someone's deciding to enforce strict forum rules.

>>48223421
In particular, it was discussing Augunas, I believe.

>>48223421
>>48223435
Yeah, I got banned two days ago for evasion because I was responding to a current events question.

Hell, technically what we're doing right now isn't discussing 'role playing games, tabletop, etc etc'

>>48223435
Weren't they discussing his works and the fact he's a developer?

>>48223444
>Hell, technically what we're doing right now isn't discussing 'role playing games, tabletop, etc etc'
Fortunately, idgaf.
I've been banned more times than I can remember.

>>48223451
Mods=fags, more at 11.

>>48223444
>Hell, technically what we're doing right now isn't discussing 'role playing games, tabletop, etc etc'
Shhh! Quiet, before they hear us!

Have noticed they've been more triggerhappy than usual :/

Guess people kept complaining about the deviancy in these threads.

>>48223453
>>48223454
Don't worry, technically by discussing how we're not talking about 'role playing games, tabletop, etc etc' we're now talking about them.

>>48223468
But that's the appeal.

>>48220966
This image is adorable.

>>48223468
The /pol/tards and elitist non-players who hate fun are getting worse every week.

>>48223520
Keep cucked, you mothercucking cuckerino

So, which 3pp classes do you allow/are allowed at your table?

>certainly not compiling a list

>>48223538
Soulknife, Aegis, Royal

>>48223538
Any of them, provided that the player agrees to not be a cunt about it, and that if things become a problem we deal with it.

>>48223544
>royal

Low tier 3/high tier 4 garbage.

>>48223658
News flash, sparky: those of us with actual groups tend not to give a shit. Fun's fun, and we'll have it with your approval or without.

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Angels in PF should look like this, yes or very yes?

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How do I play the best trapfinding trap who makes the most of trap options?

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>>48223684
No.

They should look like this.

>>48223538
PoW, Psionics, that Gonzo thing someone posted a while back looks pretty fun although it would really depend on the game.

I tend to use Pathfinder only for the sort of absurd, broken shit people write for it, since the core content is mostly trash. Pathfinder is the game I bust out for gonzo fantasy. I'd never use it for a standard D&D-style game, because a million systems do it better.

>>48223684
They do. They're called devas.

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>>48223684
No, they look like this

>>48223723
Does he have the Head Pat skill? Looks like he really needs it m

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What would be the best way to play Gaston class wise?

>>48223816
Antipaladin. STR, CHA, incitement, combat, fucking people over, being the bad guy and pretending to be the good guy.

>>48223816
CHAbinger

>>48223842
>Antipaladin
If you look at the story from Gaston's perspective, he pretty much did nothing wrong. He wasn't evil, he was just an idiot with imperfect information.

>>48223816
Play the Cuck'ed class.

>>48223848
Except for the part where he tries to have an old man thrown in an asylum because his daughter (rightly) thinks Gaston is a dick.

>>48223871
To be fair, the guy was clearly insane and his daughter was in love with a buffalo monster. I'd have called the cops too.

>>48223871
Could be attributed to LN, honestly. Gaston's a dick, but not necessarily outright evil.

>>48223894
Would you have bribed the cops to take him away unless you could bang his daughter?

It's all irrelevant anyway. Watch the movie, it's very clear that Gaston starts the riot not to stop the Beast, but to spite Belle for not loving him.

>>48223914
No, he really is. He regularly abuses his lackey. He incites a riot that he knew was unjustified. He's dickish, yes, but that's at the start. As it goes on he shows his true colors.

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>>48223816

>>48223696
Play a Cryptic from Psionics and focus on the trap stuff. You can turn any room into a Home Alone style deathtrap in minutes and even bring along pitfall traps you made earlier in your pocket for instant deployment.

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>>48220939
Jolly, I'd just like you to know you made me want to play an autistic masked chinese zombie weaboo. The Genous Vigilante Feat + Mercurial Duelist + Detective + Consumed + Dragon Champion is silly, amd means I cam get away with dumping Dex and cha.

so my wizard has caused one 0.75 hendersons event and one 0.5, how do i go further?

Looking to get some critique/roast on my Eldritch Archer Homebrew class?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15yMlF7LJzR8I2uqvyZO6f3NyPDp_p8bpMzqOkWWy7iQ/edit?usp=sharing

I have no clue if its overpowered or underpowered, I just wanted to make an alternate variation to Arcane Archer.

>>48225655

>1 Henderson = Total Plot Derailment

What exactly constitutes total derailment varies depending on the campaign, but if what you do completely invalidates every choice made before or after regarding the plot, then you've probably done it.

Also, bear in mind that Henderson was an act of revenge. If you're just fucking with your group and your GM for shits and giggles, you're not being as clever as you think you are.

>>48219349
Invisibility/Greater Invisibility

>>48219387
Most fog spells allow creatures to see within 5 feet, and they aren't blind or otherwise denied their dex to AC. Even with a reach weapon or ranged weapon they can still see it coming when it's within 5 feet of them.

>>48219483
Dirty Trick or Feint then, gonna have to lower your standards if magic isn't involved.

>>48219519
Rogues are not "martials".

>>48219483
It's cheesy but you can intimidate into coup de gras in a single round to just kill anyone who isn't immune to fear.

>>48220718
maybe an axe-musket, take some fluff liberty there.

>>48225837

Can people store ethereal arrows, and if so, how many? If not, why would they want to spend multiple rounds preparing what is basically a non-metamagic fireball at class level 10?

>>48225933
Coup de grace is a full-round action, and intimidated targets are shaken, not helpless, so I'm not sure how that would work.

>>48217087
Ask 2,278 more times, and then you can have it.

>>48218378
Actually, it can be. One of my favorite recurring characters to play is a Dwarf Invulnerable Rager Barbarian (most recently of the Unchained variety), with maxed out Constitution, just enough Strength to get by, and as many ways to increase hit points as I can possibly find.

I also make sure to take Superstition so I don't get spelled out of every combat on the first round, but other than that, playing a bag of hit points with DR x/- that just rushes headlong into everything without a single thought for his own safety is pretty damn fun.

For ways to deal with threatening opponents without magic:

Shield brace is interesting, but requires using a reach weapon.

Reach weapons don't really work with step up.

Is there a way to make the "lockdown" fighting style actually work, or is it just a pipe-dream?

>>48225837
Can the magitek longbow be made compound?

>>48225905
So use a throwing dagger or a bow. 30ft sneak attack full attacks are fun.

>>48226249
You need a way to make 5' steps provoke AoOs from you. Then you need to make Stand Still not suck. Your opponent could still take the withdraw action, but if they do that they're not doing anything else so you're still effectively locking them down.

Or just play a Warder, if they're available.

>>48226021

Going to be a lot of shimmying animu girls in dog costumes.

>>48226298
Stand still and pin down seem the same, except pin down also works on withdraws and 5' steps.

>>48226340
Didn't actually know about Pin Down, it's flat out better than Stand Still except for the fighter level requirement. Stand Still is a CMB check, which means most things you want to control will not be affected by it.

And now I'm kinda upset that Warders don't get a 'counts as fighter' class feature.

>>48226249
Shield Brace doesn't require a reach weapon. The Nodachi and the Halberd are both polearms, and don't have reach. There are probably other polearms that have the same situation, but no others immediately come to head.

>>48226274
Again, when your ammo reaches within 5 feet of them they will be able to see it and react to it.
They're not flat-footed by fog spells in anyway.

You could snipe actually but even by RAW that doesn't deny them their dex bonus to AC either. Only invisibility does.

>>48226379
war-priests count as fighters, and a human or half-human warpriest gets almost as many feats.

I'm trying to make a super versatile character, so I was going to go with the support casting/self buffing of a warpriest and use shield brace to use a fauchard and a light steel shield.

I know it won't be good against things with a high CMD, but litches and the like tend to not have that.

>>48225956
The max arrows they can store is based off their EA level + WIS modifier, and later gets advanced to +1 extra per level and 2x WIS modifier. Even with just the base points from the class, a player could get up to 15d6 damage at level 10.

>>48226269
Yeah, I don't see why not.

>>48226414
>Again, when your ammo reaches within 5 feet of them they will be able to see it and react to it.
>They're not flat-footed by fog spells in anyway.

>I'm making shit up

>>48226415
Since you count as a fighter from level 3 onward, you can just take Pin Down at level 11, which doesn't require a CMB check - only that you hit.

My Warder, on the other hand, won't qualify for it, and therefore must take Stand Still and deal with CMB/CMD - but I also have something like a 40' threatened area that counts as difficult terrain so I guess it balances out.

>>48226435
someone's mad.

Daily reminder that Path of War is weeaboo trash :^)

>>48226471
Someone is wrong. Go read what "can't see your attacker" means to your dex-to-ac bonus, and then go read what not having your dex-to-ac bonus does to sneak attacks.

>>48226476
It's trash for a different reason. Stop baiting.

>>48226489
You're confusing invisibility for poor visibility my friend. Sorry to burst your bubble, but being able to see within 5 feet doesn't mean you're blind.

>>48226554
You still can't see the attacker though. That's just an attack, not the attacker.

>>48220642
Okay. I've been seeing images of this show quite a bit and my wizard/witch world interest has hit its limit. If anyone knows the show, please let me know.

>>48226554
>guys i can see and react to a projectile that was fired at me as soon as it is 5 feet away so the attacker doesn't have full concealment from me totally
You should see a doctor.

>>48226554
You're assuming a divide between concealment and invisibility, which doesn't exist in regards to sneak attacks.

Primarily, fog cloud gives concealment, which means you can use Stealth, which means you can sneak attack if successful. That this doesn't make sense to you is absurd.

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>>48226595
Konosuba

Have any of you player a Tinker from Interjection Games? What are they like?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/interjection-games/tinker

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>>48226595
KonoSuba.

Guy gets reincarnated after the most pathetic death, and it's all downhill from there for him. Fairly funny.

There's translated light novels, and a 12 episode anime covering the first 2-ish volumes

>Draconic and Abyssal bloodline give Chimera Soul
>Abyssal and Infernal bloodline give Black Seraph
>Elemental and Arcane bloodline give Elemental Flux
Bloodrager Initiator archetype when?

>>48226570
>>48226602
>>48226603
I didn't write the rules guys, it's just a simple fact that full concealment doesn't deny anyone dex to ac even if you can't be located visibly.

You just assume based on logic that it's the same thing but mechanically it isn't. Attacking from stealth or full-concealment/cover doesn't deny the target their dex bonus to AC by RAW. Feel free to prove me wrong with anything out of the rule-book and not personal opinion.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Concealment

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>>48226852
>(me)
>doesn't actually read the post

You are a moron.

Concealment == roll Stealth == opposed perception

The result of that opposed perception lets you treat them as flatfooted you fucking idiot.

>>48226852
>I didn't write the rules, guys

You obviously didn't read them, either.

>>48226888
More accurately, Concealment OR Cover, AND also Unobserved by enemies, and you can roll stealth to render people flat-footed.

Attacking immediately ends stealth in it's entirety, though, unless you're a Sussatore with Silent Blade, which makes the DC to hear your fight into your stealth roll, rather than the DC: -10 that it typically is. And if you've got Hide in Plain Sight or some variant of it, you can also still be visually hidden during this.

The guy you're fighting isn't, but still.

>>48226888
Not that anon, but where does it actually say that? I know there's a specific clause about getting SA from stealth, but I'm not sure about denying dex for other attacks, let alone making targets flat-footed.

>>48226888
Projecting much?

>ATTACKING FROM STEALTH or full-concealment/cover doesn't deny the target their dex bonus to AC by RAW.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/stealth
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/perception

Nothing there states anything about an opponent being made flat-footed or denying them their dex to ac. Invisibility does. A successful stealth check grants you total concealment, they can't make AoOs on you or pinpoint your location but they can still defend themselves from your attacks if they've already rolled initiative.

You can only be flat-footed when you haven't rolled initiative and thus can't react normally. That's it.

>>48226913
You say that but the only thing you've had to argue with is your feelings. Not facts.

>>48226943
None of the pages list that at all, a successful stealth check just means they're not aware of you and you get total-concealment. If they've already rolled initiative then they aren't flat-footed.

In addition to the fact that attacking at all breaks stealth automatically except when sniping which again can be opposed by a Perception check and seen when the projectile is within 5 feet of a non flat-footed, dex to ac target.

>>48227129
http://davidvs.net/hobbies/pathfinder-hips.shtml

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/stealth

Being Observed: If people are observing you using any of their senses (but typically sight), you can't use Stealth. Against most creatures, finding cover or concealment allows you to use Stealth. If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check), you can attempt to use Stealth. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Stealth check if you can get to an unobserved place of some kind. This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast.

You were saying, fuckface?

>>48227151
Not pictured here: anything that says your target is flat-footed.

Stealth lets you attack against flat-footed AC by getting a surprise round on people. It doesn't do anything but hide you if a fight is already going.

>>48227151
>Successfully hiding because of Stealth is a different condition than being Invisible.

Thanks for proving my point, dumbass?

>>48227193
Oh my god someone who understands, thank you!
It's pretty sad to see so many on /pfg/ who don't even know basic stuff like this.

>>48226943
Actually Stealth has a sniping function too, but it's something like -20 ("just" -10 if you spend a mythic-power-point on it with one of the special abilities taken too) to stay completely hidden.

>>48227225
It allows you to hide immediately after your attack as a move action, which is opposed with a penalty meaning you're not completely hidden. And at typical sneak attack range that penalty hurts..

Is there some sort of online gallery with collected art of pathfinder?

Psst
Vorpal Sphere of Annihilation

>>48227253
The trick is to annihilate the target with your "snipe"

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>>48227345
But what's the point?

>>48226274
You'll need a helluva lot of daggers to make throwing them work.

It'll be fine at first but later on you'll start to suffer as you start needing more expensive daggers to throw.

>>48227429
There are ways around that, abundant ammuntion (if you can haggle with your GM), blink back belts, buying a bunch of adamantine daggers and using greater magic weapon/versatile weapon potions on them are a few I know of.

>>48227382
I think that could better accomplished with a Vital Strike build.

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>mfw reading through the vigilante playtest doc and seeing all this cool shit
>mfw my GM will probably never ever allow me to use any of it, even when it's out for real
>mfw he also still doesn't comprehend gestalt, and doesn't get why a party of 1-2 PCs that aren't T1's would need it
>mfw my character folder is getting fatter and fatter and I will never get to use even a tenth of the concepts I have

Every day this game makes me hate myself and everyone around me more

>>48227490
Blinkback belts take up your valuable belt slot (have fun begging gms to allow differnt enchantments on other slots) and potions of GMW will also quickly gimp your wbl.

What kind of action is stealth anyway?

>>48227537
>tfw I'd kill for a high op gestalt game

>>48227501
A boosted strike maneuver works too.

For sniping, you only need to be at least 10ft away, and perception modifiers would work too, so a long range weapon can make up for it.

>>48227555
>Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. However, using Stealth immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action.

>>48227664
So if you dont move, you dont stealth?

Also, since you say its usually none, does this mean you can stealth, stab someone, then stealth again during the same turn?

>>48227675
Usually none means you do the check automatically. Like if you're hiding behind a wall or something and WANT to stay hidden, you just roll.

It's also integrated to movement, depending on your speed; if you're going slow and want to stealth, you get to roll. You're sneaking.

You also get to keep stealth if you move between covers (sneaking from shadow to shadow) so long as you finish somewhere where you can stealth.

If you attack, run or charge, or if you do a movement as above that ends out in the open, stealth ends.

When NOT in stealth you cannot attempt it (there's some special abilities/conditions though of course) if you are being observed by something's senses (most things only have good range on sight for that purpose unless they're like touching you) you cannot try to stealth.

Would Monk of the Silver Fist and Hidden Blade be too strong with the Unchained Monk and Unchained Rogue respectively?
Should more class features be traded away if you apply these archetypes to these versions of the classes?

>>48227852
>would giving the monk or rogue nice things make them too strong?

No. They're still shitty, just not as shitty.

>>48227852
>Monk of the Silver Fist
Would have to be reworked slightly, but should be fine. UC Rogue should be fine

>>48227852
HB Rogue is compatible by RAW and iirc RAI with the Unchained Rogue. I've been using it in my games and it's fine.

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Dear /pfg/

I am a Gnomish Sorcerer with 20 Charisma. This is my only 'big' attribute and I'm happy with that. All of my other attributes are average aside from Constitution, which is 13 but got +2'd to 15.

I wanted to play a Sorcerer because I've never tried and I'm gonna be a Sorcerer for all game.

However, there's something that's gonna possibly make me useless: Our Wizard.

Aside from her Strength (7) and Wisdom (9), our Wizard has amazing attributes. 19 Dexterity. 14 Con. 20 Intelligence. 17 Charisma. This puts them leagues ahead of me. What's worse is they also already have a yuge amount of spells. I get that's normal for a Wizard, but they have level 2 spells at only Level 3.

I'm incredibly worried I'm gonna be made redundant by this. What do I do?

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Don't hide it from me. /pfg/.

Tell me about the characters you'll never play because they won't work in the type of settings your group typically plays in.

>>48225846
i don't really do it intentionally, the first time i simply set a web i had cast ablaze, because pretty much the entire enemy group was caught up in it and i wanted to put some hurt on them (this was fairly low level stuff, so even a little damage did enough) now i fireballed a group of enemies and set the building ablaze. both times we've been forced to evacuate and pretty much grill marshmellows on the buildings that contained vital plotthreads, as we found out later, by the DM getting a slight bit salty


that being said, the way i play my wizard indulges the chaos he creates, both via control i.e, webs and grease, etc, but also via fires and summons, etc. he was intended as a "it's called splash damage. go cry to the cleric" type wizard, so i might play him a bit wild

>>48228304
You could potentially go beguiler (one of the Cha-based archetypes) which would give you a wider range of abilities that are outside the Wizard's purview.

>>48227412
It's a giant ball of edges and darkness that kills anything it touches...sort of like a murderhobo

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>>48228304

Well, the obvious choice is "take all the good spells that their specialization locks them out of".

>>48228309

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>>48228309
>tfw i'll never get to play my whip-wielding, skill monkey-ing, lore warden/empiricist gestalt

>>48228304
1. Slap your GM for not using a sensible character generation method like point-buy
2. Talk with the wizard player to minimize stepping on each other's toes
3. Specialize. If you try to do everything, the wizard is going to be better every time simply because "doing everything" is what wizards excel at. If you specialize in something, you can at least do that better than the wizard.

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>>48228462
I'm a Djinni bloodlined sorcerer, should I be focusing on blasts?

>>48226249
The Brawler archetype for Fighters is pretty good.

They get AoOs on 5 foot steps and withdraws, and fuck up the attack rolls and concentration checks of enemies they're next to. At level 13 they also get a half level bonus to Stand Still checks.

And as an added bonus, their thing is Close weapons, not just Unarmed, so you can just grab a cestus rather than fuck around with an amulet.

>>48228605
Blast/control. Grab all the control spells of all the other energy types, and swap them on the fly to your type when needed.

Also, some basic utility like Fly and stuff

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>>48228309
>I will never ever ever play a gestalt + psuedo-mythic campaign about someone that gains immortality, slowly becoming a demigod over the years, with most of the campaign revolving around managing my relationship with other important figures/deities, as well as managing my standing the the common people
>I will never play a silly superhero monster-of-the-week campaign about a bunch of vigilantes, all of whom are trying to maintain their cover as ordinary citizens of a town in bumfuck nowhersville
>I will never get to just play a fucking magus

stop reminding me, anon

Dear /pfg/:

How the hell does becoming incorporeal on a temporary or permanent basis work? I'm looking at the later Veiled Moon stances (Anchoring Spirit) or the Umbral Blade prestige class in particular.

ref: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Incorporeal-Ex-

Incorporeal creatures lose their strength score and use dexterity instead for all attacks, so going with a Dexterity build seems pretty obvious. They ignore all non-magical attacks and take half damage from everything except channel energy or a ghost touch weapon, which is great. They don't get a natural armor bonus but do get a deflection bonus equal to Cha mod, which is workable.

Incorporeal creatures also ignore natural armor, armor and shields on their attacks, so they're basically attacking against touch AC all the time minus some corner cases like mage armor or deflection.

So, here's the questions:
1) Does an incorporeal creature deal half damage to corporeal creatures? This isn't in the rules per se but it seems like a natural extension of them, and something you could get around by using a ghost touch weapon yourself while incorporeal.

2) If you do use a ghost touch weapon while incorporeal, do you still ignore armor/nat armor/shields on corporeal targets? It says it counts as both corporeal and incorporeal, which to me means that it should probably still be effected by corporeal armor, but that also means that using a ghost touch weapon would be a straight nerf when incorporeal unless you normally do only half damage.

>>48228858
Oh, and as an addedum: what the fuck is with ghost touch armor?

>>48228929
Ghost Touch armor... still applies defense to incorporeal attacks?

>>48228941
Sorry, should have been more specific.

>This armor or shield seems almost translucent. Both its enhancement bonus and its armor bonus count against the attacks of corporeal and incorporeal creatures. It can be picked up, moved, and worn by corporeal and incorporeal creatures alike. Incorporeal creatures gain the armor's or shield's enhancement bonus against both corporeal and incorporeal attacks, and they can still pass freely through solid objects.

"Gain the enchantment bonus" isn't "gain the armor bonus". So would wearing a +1 Ghost Touch Fullplate just give me +1 to AC as an incorporeal creature, or do I get that and the armor bonus from it being fullplate?

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>>48228309
I want to play a catfolk gunslinger (mysterious stranger)/antipaladin (tyrant) in a pirate campaign... but my group is always into murder mysteries and high magic intrigue... pic related.

My DM even said they would let me just have the CHA to damage without needing to spend grit if I ever brought them into the campaign...

>>48229031
Well it says enhancement bonus, so you only get the enhancement bonus.

Although note it also says it doesn't stop you passing through solid objects. Price ya pay.

>>48228309
Forrest's silly homebrew Driven Disciple, Unquiet Grave edition.

Alternatively, a Silver Crane Driven Disciple who takes Advanced Study at 5 to get the boost he needs to qualify for Hitboxes, so that he can Silver Crane Spiral with a gun and then re-direct all his misses. In a perfect world, I somehow deliberately miss every target but one, who absorbs every shot.

>>48229123
Forgot my image (for the Unquiet Grave version. The other one is LunaTrigger W)

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>>48229150
I am dumb.

>just moved
>friends don't want to play online
>LFG only has a card game scene, no RPG scene
I've been looking on roll20, but like 90% of the games are complete garbage and the rest meet during the day when I'm at work.

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Gimme creative uses for Memory Lapse.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/memory-lapse

>Planning short story arc to GM
>Want to have an intro battle, a noncombat challenge, and then a final battle
>Given the setting I've thought up, the sensible noncombat challenge is stalking certain NPCs or negotiating them to find info on the person who hired them

>Actually this can also be solved by combat if the party ambushes them and beats the information out of them

Goddamnit

>>48229071
True but man is paying a +3 bonus to get +enchantment to AC so completely not worth it. Wand of mage armor/bracers of armor it is I guess.

>>48229304

Really short-lasting rape

>>48228605
>9:51:39
>69947
>9:46:07
>74444
wat