Warmachine and Hordes General

First for Skorne.

is khador winter guard gunline a thing?

First for Magnus was right.

>>48179447

For now yeah, riflemen are good.

How do you avoid getting shot up in this game?

>>48180694
Shoot more, first, from further away.

>>48180694
Gunlines pretty much dominate the current meta, so... anything that can negate shooting is what you need.

Unfortuantley you may find yourself running the same casters/locks agian and again until your meta changes. Someone like Gunnbjorn or MacBain again and again.

Not a great situation, but what else is there to do?

>>48180694
If the internet is to be believed, you can't because gunlines are literally the only viable thing in the game now despite most melee units either having bigger threat ranges, high DEF versus shooting, or high armour.

Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points

http://conflictchamber.com/#b11beJ614_bM9ocLcMcPembTc-bM

(Nemo 3) Artificer General Nemo [+25]
- Storm Chaser Adept Caitlin Finch
- Dynamo [18]
- Reliant [14]
- Firefly [8]
- Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [4]
Stormblade Infantry [10]
- Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5]
- Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner (3) [6]
Storm Strider [18]
Ogrun Bokur [5]
Journeyman Warcaster [4]
- Firefly [8]

>>48180850
My invictors can reach out and touch you from 24 inches away with hand canons and can CRA with rerolls to hit if needed

>>48181287
>RNG10
>SPD5
>20pts
>UA for 4pts that mini feats to give +4RNG
Yeah I'm shaking in my boots over here with my DEF15 against shooting infantry. Oh wait you're the only person who can buff their infantry, oh fuck guess I lose now because you're an internet theorycrafter who can't comprehend that everyone else has spells too.

>>48181386
I mean, 5 rat 8s with rerolls and 1 rat 7 is going to chew up a good bit of a def 15 unit.

>>48181481
But that's not good enough because once I'm in melee you can't realistically shoot me.

ITT:dickwaving theorycrafting faggots

>>48181499
You're right, no one has ever shot another model in this game because they're always in melee.

best way to deal with non sloan gunlines is just cloud city. Cloud walls remain incredible at threat denial since the enemy can't even run a chump in and have everyone charge him in the back, and denying 100% of shooting that cant get away to ignore LOS.

the other way is to just bring abilities that outright deny shooting, like barnabas' swamp pit ability, or gunnbjorn / zerkova1s feats

Or you can just join the winning team and play sloan and obliterate all the lesser gunlines from further away than they can shoot with free boosted to hit shots

>>48181386
10" charge +quicken
10" range
4" snipe minifeat

Double up CRAs for rat 8 with rerolls at pow 14 will hit roughly 70% at def 15

If you waste your turn running into them, they'll just assault charge next turn for 22 pow 12s.

>>48181651
Assault doesn't work that way

>>48181651

can you CRA during an assault? i didn't think you could, but i get rules wrong all the time

>>48181651
Since I'm fully aware of your huge range I just ran towards you. If you're ever shooting at your opponent from 24" away, they've fucked up horribly and handed you the win. You get one volley off before you're engaged, the range is largely irrelevant.

And if we're allowed buffs, I get Quicken too. Even RAT8 with rerolls doesn't do great against DEF17. You'll take out a couple before I charge into you. Heck I was using Keltarii as an example but even Nihilators would be fine. You'll take out 70% of the 5 models you get, but since you all came forwards for the range, my remaining 6.5 models will cleave your asshole in two.

I honestly cannot fathom why people think they can magically sit at their maximum range and pop shots off without their opponent just gunning towards them. Your max range doesn't mean much.

>>48181733
>If the target is not in the charging model’s melee
range after ending its movement, the charge fails, but the
model with Assault can still make the Assault ranged
attack before its activation ends.

>>48181855
No shit. Maybe you want to read a little further?

>The model cannot make an assault attack if it is in melee with its charge target at the start of its Normal Movement.

If he runs into your guys you can't assault them.

>>48181737
You can't addualt and CRA its a choice between the 3 inches or CRA bonus.

You also have to charge someone your not in melee with to get the assault shot. Ussually this means charging someone next to the model currently engaging you

>>48181891
Nihilators can't assault. What the fuck are you talking about.

Has anyone uploaded Wild Adventure yet?

>>48181855
Id take invictors over keltari in melee any day of the week. Especially if you just ran into them.

>>48181937
So tell me, are you stupid or just illiterate?

>>48181990

Anyone would take a retribution unit over a skorne unit... anyone claiming otherwise is a fucking liar or a skorne player in denial

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Got a bunch of models second hand, this is the list i'm playing with for them so far.

I hope i'm not overburdening Junior.

>>48182428
Skorne isn't known for its infantry.

Or its casters.

It's beast lost a lot this edition.

It's all about support. 40 points of support.

>all this theorycrafting and armchair generaling

wait 3-4 months to see what actually happens in the meta

I seem to recall MK2 Troll Warders to be initially put off, and then they proliferated into almost every troll list to the point where they were errata'd to not have weapon master

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>>48182947
Support? Ill tell you about good support!

>>48182947

its not a skorne list until the support has become so bloated the list resembles rasheth in appearance

>>48182846
you are massively overloading jr. give him the hunter and put the defenders on caine so you have them as a melee threat when (not if, when) you need it

>>48182846
Can you imagine the glory of putting a few electro leaps or ashes to ashes or something onto the jr when it's huddled behind those defenders and killing him

>>48183192
TBF, The new steamroller had a fair bit to do with it as well.

It couldn't punish bricks effectively and Warders wuz Kings mang.

It's just bugging me that my range tech feels weak and I have to take it on the chin while my opponent just points and removes models off of the field.

>>48183237
Pffft, this guy hardly costs any points! He's obviously terrible.

Unrelated, the coffee mug in this artwork is hilarious

>>48183307
>7 points of Handlers
>4 points of Willbreaker
>5 points of Orin Midwinter
>7 points of Agonizer
>7 points of Krea

Yeah well fuck you buddy.

>>48184487
You forgot Saxon for access to pathfinder.

>34 points

>>48184557
Or he could use a tycom!

>>48181523
Its the start of a new era. What do you want you faggot.

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So, what are dumb fools working on? I finally settled on a color scheme and keep switching between models. Ensuring it will be 2094 by the time they are all done.

What do you guys use to transport your models? What options are there for a Canadarian on a budget?

>>48185772
I use a lunch tray.

If you want a serious bag, then grab a KR case or something.

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>>48185772
If you're up for some DIY, you can make a decent enough carrying case yourself. Grab yourself a big, cheap toolbox or something and then head out to Joann's or Michael's or Hobby Lobby or whatever the equivalent is for you maple munchers and pick up some foam (pic related) to make trays out of. It's not really that hard.

>>48185772

The guys at my LGS like to use tool boxes, the ones with metal trays, and then put magnets on the bottom of their minis when transporting them.

>>48186021
I went to hobby lobby for the first time the otherday. They dont use scanners at check out. Whats up with that? Do they think bar codes ate the debil?

>>48186267
yea my mom works part time for Hobby Lobby

maybe its "just like the good ol days". right up there with polio!

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>>48186267
maybe its due to the amount of discounts they have? why bother with a barcode for MSRP if you're going to be 20-60% off depending on what item it is anyways

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>>48183307
Sounds like Trolls in MKIII. And in MKII for that matter.

A nice, big, heaping spoon of support to go with your mediocrity.

>design space
>26,280 hours of development

>>48185768

Did you not prime him, anon?

>>48186663
it's a gray primer, pretty obvious at first glance.

>>48186454

>not a shortstack

YOU HAD ONE JOB, SOUTH KOREA! THIS IS WHY YOU ARE *WORST* KOREA!

>>48181013
I could be wrong but isn't reinholt an attatchment now? If that's the case he can't be with nemo and he come attached with fintch.

>>48187183
you are wrong in a different way. reinholdt is an attachment, but nemo3 is a unit now and can have an attachment

>>48187088
>SOUTH KOREA

good be best korea

>>48187229
Oh wow yeah. I am really happy I'm wrong then. I love nemo 3.

>>48187235

If you have shit taste, sure.

Is there a hack for War Room out? Or is anyone sharing accounts? I'd also settle for card scans.

I normally use WHAC but it doesn't have ranges listed for melee weapons.

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Yeah it's skorne, but it looks nice at least.

>>48188248

Tiberion is at least really good. Glad he didn't get gutted with the advent of a resculpt.

>>48188248
I guess the default titan sculpt was very good so this is pretty underwhelming for me in comparison to say a Behemoth or Rok resculpt

>>48188248
>recently buy Tiberon metal kit during late mk2
>decide to build Tiberon out of a bronzeback kit so it'd have more armored legs
>buy extra titan kit and bronzeback
>this comes out
>still havent started project
I guess I have an extra titan and a third bronzeback now but fuck me that Tiberon kit was a waste

>>48188248

if anyone in that shit faction deserves a nice sculpt, its motherfucking tiberion

>>48188496
I would've preferred a resculpted Karn or Despoiler.

I understand why they did it though since they want to bury upgrade kits

>>48188513
Both of those already had good sculpts and weren't simply upgrade kits.

>>48188513

except karn is now really terrible, despoiler getting a new sculpt however would be good. despoiler is still worth it

>>48188694

>Despoiler
>good sculpt

What the everliving fuck are you talking about?

Legion Army - 75 / 75 points

http://conflictchamber.com/#ba1bdie0eieaeadIecdYdWd-d-dJdYdY

(Lylyth 2) Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight [+28]
- Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11]
- Naga Nightlurker [8]
- Ravagore [19]
- Ravagore [19]
Blighted Nyss Raptors (max) [18]
Annyssa Ryvaal [8]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
The Forsaken [4]
Strider Deathstalker [4]
Strider Deathstalker [4]
Blighted Nyss Scather Crew [5]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]

I don't feel like buying Archers yet. Tempted to drop the two Shepherds for a Feralgeist that might do more work, don't know if it's worth having three of them when Lylyth has soothing song now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaJMmIQWuw

These videos about Skorne are great and you should probably all watch them since he raises interesting points and they're free content so fuck it.

That Handlers no longer force you to charge means you can get an extra inch of throw distance and a little extra damage on the throw, and also means you can let your beast face exactly where you want it so they once the first target dies, you can hit a second one because you weren't forced to directly face the first target. He fucking nails it on the Cyclops Raider though. 9 points for a ranged light with shit damage output, when for 8 more points you could bring a Cannonneer who has 1) the same animus, 2) WAY better damage output, 3) higher range on her gun, 4) higher MAT, and 5) much higher damage on the initials.

>>48186663
Yeah, I use gray primer. I find its not a glaring as white and allows colors like red and yellow to go on more easily than they would over black primer.

>>48185768
Continuing painting my Cataphract Cetrati. They're all almost basecoated, with the leader model being finished.

>>48184602
In all fairness the Tyrant Commander is a beast in combat.

>>48190420
Pics or you're a dirty liar.

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>>48190626
;^)

>>48190432
6 points for one pow 12 weapon master does seem pretty fair.

>>48186622
Wtf
>krielstone
>done
>trolls and skorne in mk2

>>48190847
POW12, WM, MAT8, 12/16, 8 boxes, brings another throwaway body along, has 3 relevant buffs. It's a support that holds its own in combat, so I don't see the problem.

Canada to here, with the whac posted above does it show weapon ranges for melee any where (.5, 1.0 and 2.0 inch)?

>>48190945
No weapon ranges, and most feats are missing. Also a couple models like Kromac2.

>>48190886
If I could take him for 4 without the "throwaway body" that would be, well, good. Even 5.

>>48188248
Wheeere is deathjack's resculpt!

>>48190847
>krielstone
Which is a big one. 12 pts for that + heavy fury investment. Buys you a heavy in other factions, a light in trolls. Maybe a solo too depending which light.
>fell caller
>stone scribe chronicler
>moses

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Looks great, just wish it was a 6 man unit (with one shot).

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Yeah I'm waiting for this one. Just wish it wasn't five points.

Can somebody scan the cards for thorn gun mags and Gibbs? From mercenaries

Does anyone think Vilmon+2xPaladin is good? I haven't played in a while (early MK2) but going down to 1" range seems bad, and they're still expensive.

Quick question, is The High Reclaimer's Burning Ash actually 2 focus to use now, or is that a WHAC bug?

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I need cards, cards of the Mercenaries.
Pic related, I play Cygnar. What's Your experience with MK3 so far, Cygnar players?

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arbitrary tier list, get your arbitrary tier list here folks!

>>48195335
Sloan is much weaker than she looks on paper, trap option for new players.
Never prioritize slayers when playing against cryx. They are just a distraction and you should target the satyxis raiders instead.
Do not target sea witches and sirens, your shots are better spent elsewhere.

With mark3, can you run a good jack focused Khador list? Thinking about getting back into warmachine

>>48195485
That pic isn't arbitrary. It's dead on.

>>48195533
I played in a tournament and got shot in the face a lot=three games lost, I finished 9th out of 9.
Played Darius twice (against Skorne, scenario points and CoC, caster kill) and Haley 1 (once against Legion, caster kill). Either those casters were poor match-up, I play bad, or the lists were weak. Almost reached the point of wanting to sell all my WM stuff and buy more Infinity...

I finished my second to last tournament in Mk2 with a 3rd place and won some games every now and then, so I think I am not a beginner. That game is silly sometimes

>>48195638
>Losing to Skorne
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE WHAT

>>48195597

You can, but you can't just throw in 4-5 warjacks with any caster and expect it to work. I think Khador is still one of the factions that will take less jacks than the others, but you can certainly now take 3 and not get punished for it. Also there are definitely a few casters in Khador where you can take almost nothing but jacks.

I have been playing a lot of khador since mark 3 came out. I play a lot of karchev and I feel like I can easily field 4-5 heavy jacks and still have a decent list on the table. I tend to take cheaper to mid cost ones but it doesn't feel like a huge stretch to do it. Your milage may vary. Also people have reported success with jack moderate (2-3 heavies) with vlad1 and heavier jack ists with butcher 1-3 and strakov

>>48195638

Darius into Skorne and Haley1 into Legion seemed like you chose your lists pretty poorly. Fighting big battlegroups with no damage buff is one of the few things Skorne excels at. Legion frankly doesn't give a fuck about Haley1. Sure Temporal Barrier is great but you're forced to get really close with the faction that is known for assassinating from halfway across the board.

Cygnar Army - 74 / 75 points

http://conflictchamber.com/#b11b66cicicbcUcwcU

(Haley 3) Major Prime Victoria Haley [+25]
- Stormclad [18]
- Stormclad [18]
- Thorn [13]
Storm Lances (max) [20]
Trencher Infantry (min) [10]
Storm Lances (max) [20]

Tis gon' be gud or not?

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Fake or not?

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>>48196453
April fool's was months ago, next!

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>>48196453
They were part of a PG-only event, if I remember correctly.

>>48196700
To quell the rebellion, I presume?

>>48196453
Old thematic campaign set in a what-if scenario where leto's coup failed.
That said how did a Nyss turn to a Khadoran caster is a story I would like to know.

>>48196924
>That said how did a Nyss turn to a Khadoran caster is a story I would like to know.

The Khadorans managed to hold onto Nyssor. Cylena joined up with Khador to keep his frozen ass safe and Nyssor imbued her with magic powers.

Where can I find the new Mercenaries cards?

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Got a shot at trying mk3 out today. Unfortunately the only two boxes available was the Khador and Legion ones, and it was greatly unbalanced. I tried my hand on Legion twice, and got my ass handed to me. The third time I tried Khador, and soon realized as to why.
Hell, we even joked around with a "well ok, but if I was retarded and created a free charge lane for your heavy and your caster on a feat turn", but I rolled a 6 for my though....
I get it, the boxes ain't there to show new players balance, its there to show players a little bit of everything. But I tell you, if I was new to this game, and this was my first impression (hell, just imagine if Legion starter was my first purchase and a friend got the Khador one....), and especially after hearing about "how pp made the game balanced again", id drop it like a hot potato. Now I know better than to judge the game from such a small scale, but that Khador box is strong when comparing to others.

>>48195533

no way is sloan a trap for new players. you have to drop her into the right match ups, but in a Sloan/Haley2 pair there isnt a single match up in the game where one of the two doesn't have game, even if it gets list chicken-y

>>48197602
Battleboxes SHOULD show new players balance. They're the first impression a new player gets.

>>48198326
it should show playstyle, not balance.

>>48197602
When you're showing the game to new players, you let them play Khador.

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>>48198435
My playstyle is WINNING

...

My playstyle is A E S T H E T I C S

>>48198435

most dont show off playstyle, for example ones that dont

>skorne
only similiar one to him is rasheth

>ret
Helynna is pretty unique, especially with her ability to infantry arm skew

>Cygnar
Maddox "upkeep heavy warcaster who sits in the back while the list beats face with damage buffs" is not how i would describe cygnars playstyle

>trolls
Ragnor is actually pretty good, which puts him at odds with trollbloods normal playstyle of "lose games"

>Legion
Kryssa doesnt even really do anything.

in comparison the ones that do:

>cryx
okay this ones actually pretty accurate, the playstyle is "be bad" suits cryx pretty well actually

>CoC
accurately represents the CoC playstyle by not getting a box, to prepare future CoC players for the fact they'll never get any more releases beyond the conflux

i'm sure i didn't cover them all, and i didnt intend to, but you get the point

>>48198435

This >>48198453

In all truth though. The Khador box was silly in comparison to the Legion. It was literally "ok, but If I LET you charge me with all that you got, what will happen?", and still a Khador win...

The legion, sure it showed "I'm fast", but it also showed "I don't know synergy to my box and I got pillow punches". All the while Khador showed "I go 2 of the heaviest Jacks to keep close to my Worcester, I have synergy and I hit like a brick! Oh, my downsides are low speed and no pathfinding... which I fix with spells and feat turn".

Trust me, it wasn't as much a showcase of how the army play, but more of a down right butcher. Just look at the profiles of the two casters and their spell list, its almost to the point of silly.

>>48198825
>trollbloods
>lose
>RoW and EE

>>48198876

Kyrssa's battlebox is pretty weirdly built overall.

Shredders want flank buddies yet the Boltthrower not only wants to avoid melee but actively knocks targets away from them. Beatback on the Neraph can lead to newbie mistakes where they can knock the target out of the way as well.

Kryssa's feat is also wasted on the Bolthrower, and to some extent the Neraph since it's a cheap pillowfisted heavy in a format that's got a lot of high armor targets.

You pretty much have to bank on caster kill with it, using bolts and the Neraph to clear a path and have Kryssa herself user her spell boosted charge range to zoom in there.

The two player battle box will be xekaar's only good match up

>>48196453
>>48196453
real. cards were never meant to be shown outside of a pg only event. cards were not meant to be seen by others.

beg enough and some one will post em

>>48199378

You do realise there are no theme forces in mk3 right?

these are mk3 battleboxes we're talking about...

Doing a painting league at my lgs, thinking of entering with this list. How does it look?

Retribution Army - 74 / 75 points

http://conflictchamber.com/#b51b99fu5V4I3Sc51z1A1D1H22222235

(Helynna 1) Magister Helynna [+30]
- Chimera [8]
- Hydra [15]
- Phoenix [18]
- Sphinx [13]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Houseguard Halberdiers (max) [13]
- Houseguard Halberdier Officer & Standard [4]
Houseguard Riflemen (max) [15]
- Houseguard Rifleman Officer & Standard [4]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Houseguard Thane [4]

>>48200168
>no theme forces in mk3
Yeah there are. They just won't be released until later this year.

>>48199378
Trolls have the worst battlebox by far. Ragnor is good, but they top out at pow 16 so good luck cracking the stupid dwarf alt bb.

>>48198825
>cryx
>bad
Shes not bad shes just not super exciting. She has an alright assassination threat tho

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>>48201506
>Trolls have the worst battlebox by far.
> mfw the ONLY reason the Impaler is 11 points instead of 8 is so the battlebox evens out to 30 points.

>>48199650
I beg. Are they in any of the archived threads?

>>48201604

Yep, probably. Hard to justify an Impaler for 11 when a Bomber is 19...

Rage/Pulverized Impaler is cute though. POW 19 boosted damage...

>>48201467
I'm willing to bet them forces won't be released until late summer 2017.

>>48202581
Trollblood Command book releases in Dec.
Its got theme forces in it
So they'll be getting theme forces before a lot of others

>>48200168
My bad for some reason I thought you meant in general.

Yeah their bb is a travesty. It's funny because Ragnor and the Mauler are so good.

So I just band wagoned into khador.

How does one make a butcher 3 list? All I can think of is greylords for cloud protection, widow makers to clear some charge lanes, ruin and IFP. Do I need Saxon for pathfinder? Are black dragons worth it? I still have 40 points to play with and I don't know what I want

>>48203627
Pick up an Ogrun Bokur

>>48203627

you build a wall of jacks, then you cross the map with that wall of jacks.

with the nigh unkillable butcher3, with his long threat range and vengeance now triggering on damage advancing behind the iron curtain, it smashes a lot of puny lists

>>48199452

The main problem I had with it was the fact that the Khador player could boost up to 10" threat range on a feat turn, with pathfinder, immunity to knockdown and so forth. So while he was supposed to be slow, but retaliate like a sack of bricks, instead he came rolling down the tracks like a train on full throttle!

That 10" threat destroyed everything, as it meant only the Heavy in the box had the advantage of an alpha with its 11" threat. The speed nerf to shredders hit incredibly hard in my opinion, sure flank is nice, especially during her feat, but not at the cost of not getting the alpha strike.
The one thing that did good was the bolt thrower. That guy could actually make a world of difference now! But I get it, vs another box the Legion one could probably do fine. Whats bothering me is that the Khador box had so few downsides, thats all.

How are Trolls in Mk3?

I local guy in my meta is all gloom and doom because he thinks Trolls are worthless now. Granted he didn't play much in Mk2 and hasn't played a single Mk3 game yet.

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How do we stop this man?

I want a Desert Hydra!

>>48204617

i play cygnar, he hasn't really caused me any particular trouble. good caster but nothing that worrying

>>48181607
>best way to deal with non sloan gunlines is just cloud city
Her entire battlegroup ignores clouds.

>>48183237
Is he holding a coffee mug?

>>48204617
>That Skorne armour

>>48183431
>It's just bugging me that my range tech feels weak and I have to take it on the chin while my opponent just points and removes models off of the field.
Precisely my experience with MK3 so far.

>>48204924

yes, non sloan gunlines, that is what i said, whats the problem?

>>48183431
What bugs me is that I can't tell what list to use against what. At the moment Khador's shooting and jacks are both so strong that I'm basically flipping a coin. If I lose the flip, I lose the game. If I win the flip, I still have an uphill fight.

>>48204938
no.

it is a cup of bovril.
obviously.

>>48195485
Protectorate needs to be in god tier (literally), maybe even Mercs. Other than that, 100% correct.

>>48204998
Sick fuck.

>>48195335
>>48197561
Please, there are at least 2 people begging for the mercenary cards. We only need those things that aren't in WHAC, like thorn mages and Gibbs.

Do us poorfags a favour, I swear I will buy the war room decks after I start playing.

>>48204979
The problem is that I can't read.

>>48204998
You can't drink a pint of Bovril!

>>48192890
What are these? I don't play this game but these minis are interesting.

>>48205163
Satyxis Gunslingers

Its a cryx unit

>>48205163
Satyxis Sluts.

>>48191777
Deathjack has always had the best sculpt out of the four Apotheosis jacks, he doesn't need a resculpt.

>>48195485
Cryx needs to be in low tier.

>>48205460
Quite frankly the model is horribly dated. It's like going on ebay and seeing all the goofy old chaos models cryx was inspired by.

>>48206008
I disagree.

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>>48204558

Their design is all over the place. It's pretty shit to be honest.

Yeah, a winning list will develop but the faction is boring as shit to play now. That could just be Mark 3 though.

>>48203871
>>48203885
Thanks dudes.

>>48204558
Tell him to play calandra and stfu. The Mauler is probably the best beast in the game, and neither garg is really bad.

>>48205460
>he doesn't need a resculpt

His model still looks really good, but it's an absolute nightmare to assemble. A slightly more user-friendly kit with better proportions wouldn't go amiss. Not crying out for a resculpt (NEW SATYXIS RAIDERS WHEN) but I'd quite like to see one down the line.

>>48204558
Honestly not sure what PP is doing with Trolls in Mk. III.

There were a lot of models ripe for positive change (Winter Troll, Skinner, Night Troll, Jarl Skuld, etc.) which were either made worse or moved laterally for some reason.

Madrak-2, Calandra, Gunnbjorn and Grissel-2 are pretty much the only warlocks worth playing in Trolls at the moment. Most things in the faction are just so bland and boring. We can win, but man, I just don't know what PP is doing anymore.

>>48205009
Bump

>>48206792

>Yeah, a winning list will develop but the faction is boring as shit to play now.

That's sort of the state of Hordes in MK3 barring Circle and Minions. Circle just got to keep their toys while Minions finally got some.

>>48207186
circle got to keep their toys?
I hear a lot of moaning about all the movement tricks being nerfed into the ground.

Baldur 1 vs Baldur 2. Which one to buy bros?

>>48207563
everyone is having a fucking tanty about something.

even the stinking reds cry.
skorne was shit before
get over it already.

>>48207721
the one YOU like best. which suits your playstyle most? prettiest model? cheapest?

just proxy up a couple games.

>like it matters.
just get one now and the other in a week or two, when you've saved up your paper-route money.

>>48205460
He weighs 20lbs, is impossible to assemble and the overhang is rediculous.

Also in need of resculpts- Terminus, mortenabra, gaspy2

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>>48201834
Starting dump.

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>>48207813
Vinter is fucking crazy.

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>>48207834

>>48207721
I prefer baldur2, I think you can make a better castle

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>>48207852
I wish Eiryss was a legal warlock to take.

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>>48207883
Time to summon a free Warjack.

>>48207834

I wonder if Vinter's card led to the idea of Power Up, or if it was a test that PP's been sitting on for six years.

>>48207807
Git gud at assembling. This is a modeling hobby.

>>48207807
>>48207062

>is impossible to assemble

What the hell are you guys talking about? He's not particularly noteworthy to assemble, even as far as PP stuff goes. I didn't even need to pin mine.

I'm hoping Typhon gets a resculpt/plastic kit one of these days.

Visually nothing's wrong with it, but it's so tiny compared to all of Legion's heavies and even some of the large lights like the Protector.

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>>48207563
>>48207790

>Reinholdt
>Stalkers just die now

Sorry but Circle did get hurt this edition.

>>48208455
Reainholdt's an attachment now though, so you can't Squire/Sylys+Reinholdt anymore :(

>>48208473

Yeah but removing Stealth, from anywhere on the board, is pretty dumb.

So Cryx. Their best caster is pDenny without a doubt now. How does she not just die to anyone with Reinholdt.

>>48208078
I hate that phrase but a better form of direction is pay attention to how you pose him.

He has plenty of easy joins and can be built in little modules.

>>48208140

People always try to pose the Deathjack in a way that puts too much strain on his arms/legs without pinning.

The model is a heavy heavy kit, make sure the center of mass is on the base and you should be fine assembly the monster.

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who wants high res PoM cards?

>>48208531
Screening. Lots and lots of screening and staying outside of the super power ranged assassins range.

Arc nodes make it easier on her, but her feat gets mitigated pretty hardcore when she needs to stay 14 inches away to avoid assassination.

>>48208774
I do.

Alsoind sharing your process (if able) so I could do the same with my Legion cards?

People are getting butt hurt that I use war room even though I give them my tablet for them to read all the time.

>>48208531
Screening, bokur/inflictor, scalpel out the gobber if possible, keep threat ranges in mind. Idk if shes the best caster, but shes very good definatly S tier and in the top 5.

>>48208140
>>48208078
Its my least favorite aspect, I much prefer painting and playing.
He just doesnt lend himself to posing, I wanted to recreate the stance he has in the artwork. Also he chips like its going out of style

>>48208978

What kind of varnish are you using and what are you carrying him around in?

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>>48208840

amiduos putdothere com

Start it up, get on the web browser, download APKpure marketplace. Use that to download War Room 2, log in as normal. Printscreen to copy, alt tab back to windows, paste into ifranview/paint.

>>48208792
please tell me who the little pervert gobber works for, and how they don't have anything else to negate stealth.
not to mention nothing that wants to get up close and personal anyway.

>mercs, maybe. but they have fuck all anti-stealth, so deserve a little 360-pro-scope.
in this case, his 1 model per round spotting is rather desperately needed.
>khador, flare all day - and plates, plates everywhere.
it helps, sure. but the reds probably are going to smash her face in with a machine-wielded axe.
>cygnar, no true sight in this faction. none.
get shot bitch. more than once. and the shooter on the grassy knoll could see you anyway, not to mention the view from the depository.


>>48208840
any chance you're willing to donate a little of your time to the great cause that is WHAC?

>>48208978
There's no way a resculpt would be more posable. He's the most posable metal jack as it is.

>>48209034
If they do his hands and body in Resin it would be easier to pose without placing ballast on the base.


>>48209013
Everytime I've place Denny on the table she's been blown away with stealth. Stealth is great and all, but there is enough stealth mitigation out there that I sometime ask myself "Why bother?"


I dunno MKIII was tough for my Trolls,Cryx and Legion. I was awaiting this rebalance with major anticipation that things would have be a lot more even for once, but it just feels as uneven as ever!

>>48209013

Is there a forum for WHAC aside from the main one? There's only like one post every three days.

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>>48208994
Battlefoam

[Spoiler]I dont use a varnish because I dont like how it looks. This is entierly my fault, so you know feel free to ream my ayeshole. [/spoiler]

He also gets knocked over a lot.

SICK OF PEOPLE IN MY LGS USING PROXIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>48209216
The problem I find with denny1 is that often if I want to feat I myself enter a dangerzone and can be killed with relative ease if my opponent is not a braindead noob. So that just leads to a lot of indicisevness on my part

>>48199452
>Kryssa's feat is also wasted on the Bolthrower, and to some extent the Neraph since it's a cheap pillowfisted heavy in a format that's got a lot of high armor targets.

Wait how is boosting a pillow fisted beast out of being pillowed fisted a waste? That's what it's supposed to do. If you're trying to say it's a waste because it's pillow fisted well there's nothing that can really been done about that at this point. The box is what it is.

However I will say that the box is a bit better than most people give it credit for. The box has a lot of movement shenanigans that can be userd to set up an assassination run. Between beat back, vortex and thunderbolt you can push/knockdown the jacks that are in the way of the enemy caster giving kryssa an opening. And with quickness and she can get up to 16" nonlinear threat range. With feat she's hitting at ps 16 and at worst she'll be dice minus 3. She also has criticized sustained. Which you shouldn't count on it but by boosting the initial charge attack you stand a decent chance of criting. It depends on if you have to use quickness or not but even if you spend the max on it you still have decent odds of killing any of the battle box casters.

>>48209223
You have to create an account and log in. That shows the main forum section.

>>48209352
New edition and the Nu Gamers that play this game dont want to spend money on models that they don't think are OP.

I just like my faction, so I buy what looks cool but the vast majority of people that play this play for the rules on the card much less so the model.

>>48209481

Right, but there's still only one post on the forum every three days. The version I'm using doesn't have melee ranges listed for anyone, and I didn't see anyone talking about it, which makes me wonder if there's another forum.

>>48209538
It's the same for Magic though. The LGS owner just doesn't give a shit about people undermining spending money in his shop.

PoM cards

https://mega.nz/#!m8VSiCYa!igwr51mgx-0i6AW3gg5e1Gjxrco3eUko-LUi3d16l4k

Have Fun.

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My first try with Menithe graffity. Nothing is more awesome than jacks full of holy scribblings that will kick your ass.

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Well my Ghetto is almost done

Brand new to Warmachine here, where exactly does Menoth fall on the power ranking? How about Cryx?

>>48212372
No one really knows how things are panning out yet, the edition is too new.

Menoth took some nerfs in their old tactics, but a lot of their new shit looks great, while Cryx got hit pretty hard, what with being insanely good in Mk2.

>>48195485
Can someone spoon feed this retarded baby, and explain why they're in those tiers? I heard from Warmachine players at my FLGS Cryx were busted as shit.

>>48212407
Oh, okay. Thank you anon, see, Warmachine is fucking gargantuan in my area (40 players on the last night they played), and I'm getting into it from a 40k player, who used to main Orks, just didn't want to jump into another bottom barrel tier army.

>>48212407
Also, is the Menoth starter box any good? I was also interested in Gators.

>>48212440
Well, in MK2, the power levels were much closer than in 40k. Even a bottom of the barrel army(in MK2, minions) could still pull a win at even a major event.

On the reverse end, there's a pretty big learning curve to the game. It doesn't matter what army you pick up, odds are you're going to lose a lot of your games starting out.

Mk3 has done some crazy things, and people are seriously trying to figure their shit out at this point. Good players are still going to rock, but there's no concept of a meta at this point, so no one has any idea of what's going on.

>>48212463
I don't know too much, but I generally think Menoth's BB is one of the weaker ones. The caster in the box scales super well to full point games, but on the reverse end, he is a lot weaker in the lower point areas.

Honestly though, there's so much for you to learn that any BB is fine. I don't think any of the BBs are straight up broken, though again, I haven't looked very hard.

>>48212417
In Mk2, they were, so it might be old info.

Right now, it's panning out that shooting got insanely better in Mk3, and Cyngar, Khador, and Ret are three of the best shooting factions in the game. Khador is especially notable, because one of their casters(eIrusk) looks to be beyond powerful, with not only the tools he needs to be amazing at a ranged game, but also having tools to fight off people who try and counter that.

>>48212417
Cygnar, khador, ret
cygnar has access to very potent gunlines (i dont think they belong in this tier)

khador has tough jacks with retarded infantry removal potential and casters that turn infantry up to 11. They still have butcher who can kill you very effectivly.

Ret has bane knights, good gunline potential, fairly decent casters. New cryx.

Menoth, CoC, Circle, Mercs

Menoth- i have no idea. They have good jacks

CoC- good focus management, relativly unchanged. Would bump down a tier due to (un)popularity

Circle- still have effective movement shenanigans, great casters, great beasts, access to wrong eye.

Mercs-many spamable jacks i guess?
*cygnar, cryx and minions belong in this tier

Cryx, Legion, trolls, minions

Cryx- less powerfull, less flavorful, lost 2 of the best casters in the game. Still have bane knights. Still potent would bump them up

Legion- going through restructuring, also lost 2.5 best casters in the game

Trolls- #designspace.

Minions- are bonkers retarded. Should be higher. They have great beasts, great support.


Skorne- #designspace

>>48207813
>>48207834

It's hard to fully grasp how shitty Khador got fucked over in that alternate timeline. Cylena is hot garbage.

>>48213217
>Cylena is hot garbage.

How do you figure?

>>48213217
Uh.

Uh.

She's arguably the straight up best caster in that whole thing. Even in Mk2, she made all the various terrible ranged weapons in Khador fucking amazing.

Week 2 khador journeyman, added a berserker, vs cryx that added night wretch.

I went second and feated at the bottom of 1. Ran my jacks up, but had the lead one where if he harpooned it it would still be just toed into my control area. So he does that, parasites the juggernaut, puts both heavies into it, and it survives with 7 boxes, breaking movement and left arm. Juggernaut then wrecks the slayer. Berserker charged into the defiler and tied it up. Hit with one boosted swing and took a big chunk out of it, passed the roll to survive. Decimator landed a solid hit on the nightwretch and did like 10 damage to it. Next turn, nightwretch shoots the decimator and breaks its gun, his caster kills the juggernaut, reaper charges the decimator and left it on like 12 boxes with the cortex and right arm still functional, deathripper fails to do anything to the berserker. Berserker takes more swings and kills the deathripper, with a boosted attack and then a second hit rolling a hard 9 to hit. Kozlov fully loads the decimator and puts fury on it, who then puts 4 swings into the reaper and kills it. Agathea charges into the decimator and kills it, kozlov charges her and kills her.

Come on guys, nobody has a link with pdfs of the decks?

>>48213397
At the time of that thing's release basically the only ranged weapons she affected outside of a RAT boost was the Mortar and a couple of Bombards. It's not really very good to have flat damage on AOE 3-4.

>>48213262
She has no personal power all she does is camp on FOCUS 7 and hand out shitty boosted POW 10s. Her spell list is fluffy but bad.

>>48214514
Doesn't she have Freezing Grip?

Please, I am dying here. I really only want the cards for thorn gun mages and harrison gibbs. They cant be found anywhere

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>>48207883
>>48207899
>that Ghyrrshyld
Dang. I wish I had a pocket myrmidon.

>>48207852
>>48207872
That eiryss is what I want. Holy shit she sounds effective for how PP wants hordes to be ran now.

So, my thoughts on expanding my khador jouerneyman.

Week 2 I added a berserker.

Week 3, I think I'll add a min unit of black dragons and a greylord ternion

Week 4, I switch to Irusk 1, fill up the black dragons and add a UA, Gorman, Widowmaker Marksman, and Ogrun Bokur.

Week 5, drop the black dragons back down to a min unit so I can add a full unit of shock troops and kovnik

Week 6, put the black dragons back to a full unit, add in Harlan Versh.

I think Versh is a good choice here because it gives me a source of pretty accurate anti-infantry shooting on the cheap that this list is lacking somewhat. I expect the greylords to be busy putting clouds out to protect my objective to get many sprays in. But I could be persuaded to replace him with a caster attachment option.

Any advice with that? So far my journeyman league has 2 khador (counting myself), 2 cygnar, 1 ret, 1 trolls, 1 circle, 1 menoth, 1 cryx, 1 skorne, 1 legion, 1 cyriss.

>>48217444
why black dragons over anything else?

how are you wanting to play? (playstyle/tactics etc)

guessing bokur as shield guard, do you not have a better option for this?

not suggesting jack spam, but, you don't want more jack?

sorry, i don't know reds enough to really say, but if you share what you're hoping to achieve tactically etc
unless you're just wanting to do the generic shit up the middle of the table with something that doesn't die to a cold fart and smash things when and where you can "tactics".
in which case, sure what you've described looks like it'll do a decent job.
or better than decent because red goes faster.

>>48218542
There are currently two shield guards Khador has access to. A bokur, or Rutger Shaw with a mercenary jack.

For the journeyman league, weeks 3 and 4 are mosh pit scenario, and so greatly favors a list that has something like pikemen that can just roll up the middle of the field. And black dragons are stupidly effective against jacks and beasts thanks to precision strike and fury/battle lust. Was considering instead of greylords having a min unit of shock troops in at week 4 to leverage scenario more.

3 heavies is plenty for khador.

>>48214240
Look in the archives like 2 months ago

>>48218748
I found them, in a freaking Russian forum too. But they were still missing those 2 shirty fucking units and it's driving me crazy.

Please, save me from this hell and just post thorn mages and Gibbs.

>>48218900
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5OHGgAx7q66NUdvUFp3LWVQRlE&usp=drive_web

should be in the merc deck

>>48218900
where can you buy gibbs and the thorn?

llaelese all day son

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>>48218900
Literally just had to search Gibbs on archive4plebs
Took like 30 seconds holy shit
I'll give you thorn too but for fuck sake dude at least try to use the archive in the future

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>>48218900

>>48195485
It hurts to play Skorne ;_;

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What to get a Rhan list?

I find my Hyperion a lack-luster in mk3, and Discordia looks damn well worth its points and more now! Do I trade, and save up some valuable points in the process?

Infantry, base of mages of course, but to fill the list up I was thinking on getting a unit of Halberdiers with UA. Together with Discordia these buys will feature a 20 arm vs shooting with immunity to blast. Ad to this Polarity Shield and you got yourself a block of fuckers annoyingly good to be in the way! They also feature a threat of 11" with pow 14 (one round), and I really feel you get a run for you money on these guys.
Or would Sentinels be the better option, I know they are a great choice in mk3 by all standards. But they also come with a price tag, and I don't know if they benefit Rhan as much as the cheaper alternative. On the other hand, these guys brings the punch on the heavy stuff! And boasting an impressive arm 19 vs shooting (discordia), immunity to blast and being un-chargeable, they do actually pose a real threat in just about any game.
Whats your opinion /tg/? The Cheap cock-blockers, or the more expensive heavy hitters?

>>48221754
Because you're bad.

>>48222299
That hurts even more, yes

>>48219111
>>48219127
>>48219062
Thank you all, I am new, now I know how to use the archive.

Anyway, can a list based around cygnet and mercenaries with a lot of warriors/solos and Haley3 revive+Harrison Gibbs work?

What's a good starter faction for Warmahordes?
Was thinking about Skorne but it seems they're extremely weak in mk3.
Are Circle, Menoth (or Prot?), Legion or Ret good for a complete beginner to painting and wargaming?

>>48222686
>Was thinking about Skorne but it seems they're extremely weak in mk3.
Sad but true.
>Are Circle, Menoth (or Prot?), Legion or Ret good for a complete beginner to painting and wargaming?
Yes.

>>48222750
Very good, thanks!

>new player enthusiasm
>new edition hype.

but no journeyman league in my area.

what are PGs even for?!

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PoM deck is missing 1 new UA and 1 new solo

>>48217444
Don't take black dragons, the pikemen are kinda on the bottom tier of Khador infantry now. They are still good, but everything else is better.
There are more useful in-faction things than Versh and Bokur. Get the faction models first. If you want cheap anti-infantry shooting, take widowmakers, they're like the most staple Khador unit on every list.
Manowars only work with kovnik, you are correct to take them together.

>>48223188
>PoM deck is missing 1 new UA and 1 new solo
A lot of the deck PDF's didn't have cards for things that are new or were unreleased at the end of Mk2. Depends on whether the source was a playtest deck or a proof for printing.

I think the only new cards that haven't made the rounds at this point are the ones for Ret and Skorne.

Wanna use Reclaimer/Testament. Which units/jacks should i use?

>>48222299
As opposed to playing Cygnar and being bad? Hell yeah it hurts.

>>48222846
>Tournaments, Tournaments everywhere!

No but seriously. The new edition dropped so there should be interest for non tourney stuff....for once.


Just need to let your PG know.

>>48222007

Anyone?
Halberdiers or Sentinels with Rhan?

>>48223188

This model is just pure gold to the KE unit! To bad about the pricetag though, think 4 points would have been more justified to such a small unit.

On the subject of missing cards. I cant understand how anyone in their right mind goes and buys a deck of cards after the blunders and misprints Privateer Press, already in early release-state showed us. Further more, after revealing that they will constantly "update" cards they deem to powerful or to weak, also suggest we will se regular updated decks that one would have to purchase yet again after a while.
Get the app, its far more worth it in the long run.

>>48224663
I have a sneaking suspicion that we are going back to early MKII overcosted/underpowered trend after the initial rollout.

I'm still curious as to how the eratta will shape things in the future for the current standout options.

>>48221754
>>48195485
Can a Skorne player, or anyone for that matter, explain to me why Skorne is so bad?

In MkII I thought they were a great faction even though the internet seems to malign them. Locally, all our Skorne players are pretty excited about MkIII. I've looked over the faction but I haven't made an exhaustive analysis of it. I think they seem good. Not top tier, but they don't seem bottom barrel shit, either.

I play trolls, for what it's worth. I think power wise we are about equal with Skorne (so decent, but not great), but I think we are way more boring. PP shitkicked our variety and flexibility so we're forced into only a couple of compatible builds. Last edition, barring the two dumb theme spams trolls had the most well balanced stable of warlocks in the game and there were very few auto include pieces. Not true anymore.

>>48224551
tournament to learn the game?

against the autistic semi-literate arseholes that play this gaem?

not sure about that.

single tourney around my way. fullsteam. so i guess is semi-competitive compared to other tourney types.

even so. having to pay to play my first games is a tad gay. but prizes would be nice. participation "prizes" even.

>i shouldn't have to talk to my PG, my PG should have to talk to me:
"hey, hey buddy, i've got that good crack. you wanna try?"

>>48224697
I hate paying for tournaments so much in a game like this... I know it's for the store and all...but have a free tourney and no one even shows up.

It makes me feel like players only play if they can get a little dosh out of it.

>>48224693
Skorne has one complete caster and a lot of half casters. Aside from Rasheth their toolboxes are simply incomplete, sometimes preventing them from doing the basic things they intend to do.

A lot of the models in the faction simply fulfill no role at all or fulfill it poorly (12 points and 1 Fury per turn to get Sprint on your caster? YAY). A lot of models are simply worse copies of other models in other factions.

The faction relies a lot on unit- and solo-based buffs, but once you have enough to buff a model to "worth mentioning" the effective cost of that model end up being ridiculous.

>>48224697
>against the autistic semi-literate arseholes that play this gaem?
Well fuck you too. I don't think we need your kind in this game.

>>48224752
Sounds to me more or less EXACTLY what trolls have complained about for years.

A stable of models with underwhelming stats or overcosted that are assumed to all have buffs from our bloated support line on at once. Funny thing is that in the pre MkIII insider for Trolls, PP basically mentioned that concern and admitted in part to keeping Trolls in MKII hamstrung for that buff/balance purpose.

Nothing really changed in MKIII, though, They just put our beasts and several units through a blender and cranked up Madrak2 and Gunnbjorn.

Sorry Skorne player. I know your pain...

>>48224752
Well he's got a point on the autistic end. Warmahordes players are renowned for being anal retentive with millimeters of movement around here.

Also for only showing up to tournaments and leaving the poor PG solo on casual and new player generation events.

I don't know. The easiest way to describe Warmahordes players in this area is more "Self Serving" less "Community". Towards the end of MKI start of MKII we would hang around after the game store had closed to discuss a whole bunch shit. Now it's just dead silence and "GG" with the newer players.

>>48224801
>Sounds to me more or less EXACTLY what trolls have complained about for years.
And I heard they still complain about it. And it might be true. I guess MK3 has somewhat amplified both those problems and the rage surrounding them. We expected our shit to get fixed and instead it got fucked.

Which is sad, as I'll really enjoy playing my Cygnar in Mk3, which aside from a few outliers are pretty well designed currently. Now if only the same care went into Hordes that went into Warmachine in MK3.

>>48224845
>Warmahordes players are renowned for being anal retentive with millimeters of movement around here.
That is a good thing. Being exact is NOT autism, it's a requirement for a clean game.

>Now it's just dead silence and "GG" with the newer players.
Total opposite around here. It's expected that you play to win (except maybe against really new players), but most games have more of a B+B atmosphere to them.

>>48223877
Okay, what in faction model that is currently released has shield guard?

That's correct, none of them. Irusk is too fragile, he needs a shield guard. My only other option is spending 10-11 points for Rutger Shaw and a mercenary light.

Black Dragons have an incredible amount of offensive power because of Fury and Battle Lust with the two casters I'm using. Two of them charging into a heavy jack with precision strike is enough to blow out the cortex. Which infantry is better exactly? Rifle corps is their only real competition and both Irusk1 and Kozlov buff melee, not ranged.

To get the widowmakers I'd need to drop 4 points, meaning I either need to sacrifice gorman or the marksman.

>>48224663
>On the subject of missing cards. I cant understand how anyone in their right mind goes and buys a deck of cards after the blunders and misprints Privateer Press, already in early release-state showed us. Further more, after revealing that they will constantly "update" cards they deem to powerful or to weak, also suggest we will se regular updated decks that one would have to purchase yet again after a while.
This is EXACTLY the reason it's nice to have card images or PDF's. You can keep the updated set in a small file and on any device, and if a physical card you want to use gets an update, just print it and slip it in the sleeve.

We're most of the way there, as was mentioned above. As far as I know the only cards that haven't been circulated are the newer Skorne and Ret stuff - Venator Dakar, Karax UA, Desert Hydra, Healer, House Ellywwyllowrrll Swordsmen, etc

Warroom isn't a very good app for what it costs, unfortunately.

>>48224910
Well there's the Rager, but Bokur is probably the better option.

And IFP are still beasts.

>>48224917
>Warroom isn't a very good app for what it costs, unfortunately.
Warroom wouldn't be a very good app for free. Sadly WHAC has a few too many errors right now to switch back to it.

>>48224932
The rager isn't out yet, and even if it was I don't know where I'd get 11 points from. I'd need to drop my greylords and I really need those clouds because of the week 5 and 6 objective.

>>48224910
>Okay, what in faction model that is currently released has shield guard?
The Rager drops in like 2 weeks. If you have a tourney this weekend or something, just sub in a pair of Bokurs (Or bokur + 6 of anything) to bodyguard him and know you're going to need to swap them out.

>>48224883
It's autism when you can't read your opponent's intention in a casual game or purposely badger someone over an extra mm of distance. I know a guy (really timid) that just shorted himself distance everytime he measured to avoid getting heckled and keep the game going.

IMO Theres a time and a place for super precision (IE mm precision) and that's with like minded players playing a tournament game. Squabble then, because at least there is some money on the line there.

I'm just glad pre-measuring is finally putting a stop to this shit.

>>48225007
It's a journeyman. You can't replace models.The rager doesn't drop until july 31st, which is week 5 of this journeyman. And I don't particularly want 4 heavies, 2 of which are berserker chassis.

>>48224845

The big problem with Warmahorde players are players who migrate from GW games for the wrong reasons.

We have the right type of guys, who are tired of playing a Beer and Pretzel game where no one actually follows the RAW, and your a bad sports if you don't let your opponent cheat every once in a while.
They join the ranks of a great game, that has excellent support for Tournament play, and finally they don't get called WAAC players for bringing a good list to the table, or getting yelled at for quoting the rule book, or by simply following the simple art of measuring.
In contrast, these are all things that are welcome here. Most Warmahorde players I have met looks up to players who knows their rule book. They like strict and fair players who follow the basic structure of the game, no matter the outcome. And they have no problem of facing of a good list, because they have the same options to chose from as the next guy, and experience counts for much in this game.

On the opposite side of the room stands a guy who left his GW for different reasons. Maybe he just grew tired of his gaming group, perhaps he grew tired of the models, or simply wanted to try something new. This guy comes in to the game with his 40k´ish mindset that everything that beats his list is OP, and he is not afraid to call you out on it! He starts his games by ranting even before it has been set up. Nagging along on how inferior his list is compared to yours, and how your deployment was more beneficial (even though its completely symmetrical!), and that he has no chance to win this game! This of course is all in preparation if an actual loss would occur, when he can safely say "told you so!". Playing this guy requires a mountain of un-official moral rules and standards, not anything written, you just need to know what to do and what not to. This is the guy who has a hard time accepting that 8" is actually 8", and not 8.5".

To conclude, its a game, follow the damn rules.

>>48225017
>It's autism when you can't read your opponent's intention in a casual game or purposely badger someone over an extra mm of distance.
That's not at all what this is about. If your heavy has a charge range of 10" and I placed my heavy 10" +1mm away from it then no you can't charge it.

Conversely, if I place my heavy randomly somewhere on the table and it happens to be within 10" of yours, then feel free to charge ahead. I was too stupid to check your threat ranges.

Premeasuring has not put a stop to precision, it has finally made it possible. I can ask during my turn "Do we agree that my Defender is more than 11" away from Tiberion?" and if my opponent agrees to the measurement (possibly involving me moving the model a few mm back, within legal bounds of course) I can be sure Tiberion won't charge my Defender next turn.

It's all about transparency and communication. Any negative situations that you refer to can be avoided by just talking to your opponent.

To fit the widowmakers and rager in, I'd need to do something like this:

Week 3, black dragons

Week 4, max shock troops, manowar kovnik

Week 5, rager, black dragon UA. Going to try putting the rager on the kovnik and seeing how that goes.

Week 6, widowmakers and 5 points of something else. Kell probably, maybe alten ashley or a mortar.

>>48225208
>rager
Is really not mandatory. If he doesn't fit in your list just take the bokur.

>>48225219
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I just don't feel comfortable dropping the greylord clouds. Weeks 5 and 6 I know I'm going to have to block LOS to my objective from a titan cannoneer and catapults or else I lose.

Still trying to decide if I want to bring widowmakers or harlan + gorman. 75% of my opponents are warmachine so rust bomb is huge, and blind is huge for dropping circle def.

>>48225248
>Still trying to decide if I want to bring widowmakers or harlan + gorman.
Kell is already a definitive part of the final list? If so go for Gorman + Harlan. Or maybe even Gorman+Ragman if they really bring a lot of heavies.

>>48223188

Anyone else think she is a bit to pricey for a 6 man unit? Especially now that infantry is much easier to handle. Id be ok with the price, or rather, she would be a steal if the unit was 9+ leader, but it ain't. And this UA costs more than half the fucking unit alone.

>>48225305
The list with greylords and bokur has a marksman instead of kell. Greylords + bokur is 12 points, so lets me upgrade the marksman and kell after adding the rager.

Dunno how many heavies I'll see. Since it's a journeyman league, most already are going to have a heavy and 3 lights by week 3 and I don't expect to see many adding more onto that. mainly just the troll player adding a mauler, and one of the cygnar guys was talking about putting in dynamo.

>>48225191

This!

So long as you and your opponent has a good communication with one another there shouldn't be a problem with it.

>>48218663
that's patently false, the rager a six point heavy has shield guard.

>>48225191
kind of this !
If you measure all you want and tell me that you put your model at exactly 10.1" away, I'll be like "yeah w/e"
Then you'll remove all your fucking widgets and other assorted bullshit that have no reason to be on the table.
Then I'll measure how far your model is, and if it's 9.99" it's in charge range and you can hissy fit and piss on the floor and even roll in it if you want.

Just because you state something doesn't make it fact, because premeasuring.

>>48225191
I ain't takin your word for it nigga. I'll measure that distance myself. You might be blind or an idjut, or trying to trick me.

>>48225191
It put a stop to imprecision in the sense players can actually measure something accurately before moving. Prior to this you always had a hawk eyes on your tape to make sure you weren't getting or measuring anything past what you were allowed to measure. There was no trust late MKII. None.

I agree, play RAW but if a player mentions that he intends to use this unit to screen against ranged fire (of which the only way to do so is to have the screening unit b2b) and you find an iota of sliver between two bases... then maybe something is wrong on the other side if the table for once.

Trust your God damn opponent in a casual game and discuss what may have been wrong afterwards during a lull.

MKIII finally put an end to it because you can now measure from the opponents model and say "I intend to be X + .25 inches away" without anyone causing anyone else to cringe for once.

>>48225648
>>48225670
...Wow. just wow. How? If it was measured accurately then just....how?

>>48225156
>The worst dichotomy since communism and jews.

There's a third choice that likes RAW but can understand if the realities of a model game make certain things difficult if not impossible to represent on the table and simply wings it or rolls a d6 for the sake of the flow of the game.

>>48225643
The rager costs 11 points and isn't out yet.

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Am I the only one who really wants to see vehicles added to the game?

>>48225670
>>48225648
....I think this is why I don't like the game anymore.

No one wants to make anything simple. Even when there is recourse to make sure and confirm things are of a given distance people will still try to bend what is considered fair.


Why bother playing against a person if all you care about are his models on the table?

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>>48225849
They already did that. A while ago.

>>48225849
See
>>48225876


You just never see them played because they are usually shit and WMH players only play to win.

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>>48225849
are you new here?

and battle engines in mk2 were a little...wonky

they cost as much as heavies...and are only slightly more durable than lights. and war engine leaders were massive targets that cant hide.

>>48225912
Forgot a sentence.

Shit means super niche in WMH

>>48225849
vehicles?

to what purpose/end?

you mean like battle engines and warjacks? because a jack is a walking tank.... a steam powered walking tank....

if you mean like transports, then i dunno. that sounds a bit retarded. but could maybe just maybe be an idea.
squishy transport vehicles, that die to a mildy unkind glance, but can move a low spd unit like a spd buffed cav. with no offensive capabilities. can maybe pop smoke, and provide cover until destroyed - which is super easy to do.

hyper-conditional design-space vehicles. maybe.
>but we have steam powered perambulating tanks already. and battle-engines.
so there is no need.

>>48225849
>Vehicles in warmachine
Eh. They kinda tried this idea with Battle Engines, and DESU it doesn't really fit. Don't get me wrong, always thought the steam tank idea was cool, but WMH armor is really all about the 'jacks/beasts. Large bases kinda robbed the game of some of its focus.

If you want to run something like a tank company in WMH, you can actually do it... Khador can show up with 2x War Wagons and 2x Siege Crawlers (74 pts and both easy to make legal tank conversions out of), plus a few 'jacks to suit. Don't know if it'd be that effective, but it would probably be something to look at. =)

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>>48225912
>and WMH players only play to win.

its not our fault that PP tries to say "lul our gaem is super balanced and comparative" and then somehow shoves the MK2 Archangel out the door

>>48225952
>comparative

I meant competitive

>>48225670
If we agreed on a given distance and you suddenly change you opinion on it to better suit your strategy that makes you equally blind, equally an idiot and quite honestly a cheater. I am happy to not have played against people like you yet.

>>48225648
>If you measure all you want and tell me that you put your model at exactly 10.1" away, I'll be like "yeah w/e"
Then there's judges to verify it with. If an opponent tries to cheat I'll gladly involve these nice and helpful people.

>>48225648
the face of autism ladies and gents. In a casual game you shouldn't act like this.

You should never agree that something is X away if you plan to throw a temper tantrum when it suits your needs.

If it matters to you so much, measure it before you agree

>>48225876
>>48225929
>>48225952
I guess I just want tanks, not chariots

>>48226309
>thats what jacks are?

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>>48226309
Conversions are always good.

>>48226309
>tank

the meat thresher is a tank pretty much, not so much chariot

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Caster: 1 / 1
Points: 74 / 75
Brisbane1 (Major Markus 'Siege' Brisbane) (-28 Pts.)
* Stormclad (18 Pts.)
* Charger (9 Pts.)
* Squire (5 Pts.)
Journeyman Warcaster (4 Pts.)
* Defender (16 Pts.)
Rangers (9 Pts.)
Gun Mage Captain Adept (5 Pts.)
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (Leader and 9) (19 Pts.)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (10 Pts.)
Anastasia di Bray (3 Pts.)
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist (4 Pts.)

I am pretty set on taking Nyss again with Siege, however I'm not really sure about Reinholdt vs Squire and the solos in general.

>>48225648
>>48225670


I think people are upset about it being 1mm precise.
If I where to say the exact same example but say, I'm placing this 1cm outside your threat range, no one would have a problem with it. When the measuring sticks are out, a blind could see that it clearly isn't 10", but its not 11" ether.

But most people on /tg/ are right, you truly are the face of autism. If your opponent is such a good sport he involves you in his thinking process and explicitly express "this model is beyond this distance, look" and laying out the measuring tape for you to look at. Then agree upon for both players to adjust to.
After this, there shouldn't be a discussion about it, unless you spoke earlier or simply refused to participate in selected parts of the game. If you disagree after a move like the one in the example, it only shows you truly are just a pathetic man without integrity.

>>48224697
Just talk to your PG. They're not going to waste time running a casual event if there's no interest

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Trying to decide on a battlegroup for Madrak2.

So far I'm looking at:
Bomber+Pyre
Bomber+Mauler
Mauler+Pyre+Impaler

I like have some ranged guys in the battlegroup to make good use of warpath and clear charge lanes or potentially assassinate. Bomber is great for that. I flip flop on the idea of the Mauler because I'm not sure how much armor cracking I should stack into the list. Not sure if Blood Fury'd Fenns will be enough all the time. Having Far Strike and Flaming Fists are nice for Madrak himself to tackle different offensive options.

I know I want Fenns and Warders in the list. They seem perfect for Madrak2. Is the Kriel Stone worth bringing with him for the arm 21 Warder bodyguards? Or is that a gimmick and more offense is worth while?

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>>48226495
Correct answer is sell your Trolls and go play a real faction

If you're determined to play garbage tier factions take Mulg, Mauler and an Axer so you have beasts that benefit from the feat.

>>48226638
Can't senpai. I've been playing trolls since I started the game 6 years ago. I own almost everything for the faction anyway and no one wants to buy trolls. If I sell out of trolls I sell out of the game. None of the other factions appeal to me in model range or fluff. Minions and Mercenaries a little bit, but enough to start up those factions.

Trolls are the faction for me. They're perfect except for their sadly boring and awkward play style.

I don't know if reach beasts are really worth it in the list. Infantry, solos, and Madrak himself will make great use of the feat already.

>>48226735
Reach beasts like Mulg are better than beasts that don't do anything with the feat

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>>48226358
no, jacks are robots, they have legs. Tanks have treads. Perhaps there can be a compromise...

Yet again i requst help with High Reclaimer/Testament. Which units/jacks do i want to run with that guy?

>>48226969

Can't we talk to the humans that
We're together now?

No, because they are dead.

Go away tracks, we robots now.

Protectorate 75p

Grand Exemplar Kreoss -28p
FoS 16p
Castigator 12p

Knights Exemplar with UA 14p
Knights Exemplar with UA 14p
Exemplar Errants full unit with UA 20p
Choir of Menoth min unit 4p
High Exemplar Gravus 9p
Vassal of Menoth 3p
Order of the Fist 3p
Rhupert 4p
Errant Seneshal 4p

Thoughts?

>>48228189
Only initial here, however why are you only running One Vassal and only 2 Jacks?

I have to say however, I love Gravus with Kreoss.

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>>48225849
>Vehicles in warmachine

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Rate my list, I guess

>>48228301

Because eKreoss benefits greatly from massed attacks, as his feat is a one use button.
Thus he will gain more from the feat with a unit of infantry weapon masters, rather than a single heavy jack for the same price. As his spell list is a bit of a lack-luster, and he no longer has armor piercing himself, you kind of play him for the feat alone. His ability to also grant Tactician [Exemplar], also give the hint that he benefits greatly to take a lot of these units.
I used to run a similar list in mk2, but then only took FoS. Now that the points have more than doubled, Id stick to the minimum, and still get double the jacks I used to run.
Not to sure about the Castigator, never actually was a fan of it, as its *Attack isn't bound to the weapon, its a shame really.

The vassal is actually points-leftover kind of guy in a list like this. Sure I could go with another Fist for 3p, but I only own one, and he´s cool enough on his own. Besides, how many Empower do you need when you only run 2 jacks?
Now that Focus shield ability is greatly gimped, you have no reason to camp all that focus as you used to. Ad to this that you benefit from 2 free focus for the jacks alone, and you should be all good.

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Working on Tanith list ideas. Current idea is using melee solos as scything touch missiles before my beast line hits. The Night Witch and White Mane especially, since with scything touch as long as they keep hitting, they keep killing. This frees up the Reeves to focus on heavies, throwing two RAT 17 POW 19 CRAs at something before my heavies go in.

>>48228895
If you're running a feral you dont need a gorax. Also the night witch, or whatever, doesnt have reach wich makes pac-manning more difficult.

Have you considered double reeves?

Also I think double wayfearer is the way to go. You really want free charges

>the only cards that haven't been circulated are the newer Skorne and Ret stuff - Venator Dakar, Karax UA, Desert Hydra, Healer, House Ellywwyllowrrll Swordsmen, etc
Hey Anons, anybody seen any of these cards? Dug through the archives a bit, but no luck.

>>48229096
Don't own double reeves, didn't own single reeves until this edition. I do think a second wayfarer would fit well instead of the night witch though, and maybe swap the gorax for a second argus. You can do some really nasty things even to heavies with reeves+argus, with or without scything touch. With scything touch, load the argus up with it and primal, charge and deal an effective P+S 20 hit, then fire with CRAing reeves (due to their officer) into the heavy twice for two effective POW 21s.

>>48181386
>Oh wait you're the only person who can buff their infantry

INB4 deadeye

>>48229185
Not a circle player, but why not Bloodtrackers? They look like a better jamming unit, and can clear out problematic troops/solo's with prey. I agree the Gorax is superfluous when you already have the Feral. Although it's a little redundant with the feat, the ability to arc rift on non-feat turns with a Gallows is usually useful.

>>48230882
90% of lists I agree, blood trackers are the better choice. With Tanith specifically, she has affliction with deals a point of damage if you fail to break armor. So with 2 shots each you could in theory do 20 damage to a heavy or a battle engine e which is pretty nifty.

You could also do 2 pow 19(?) CRA shots which should be taken into consideration

I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Castigator's Combustion not boostable in mk2?

>>48224693
Skorne is bad because you can take just about anything in the faction and find something else for the points that makes it look laughable. Maybe with the exception of the gladiator.

Most of their casters don't bother asking really hard questions, either. A lot of them have straight up non existent feats, like makeda 1, makeda 2, hexy 1, hexy 2, and zaal 2. Very weak spell lists as well.

The exceptions are makeda3, naaresh, and rasheth as pretry capable casters.

Cataphracts are pound for pound worse than Mano war or the CoC heavy infantry. A lot of units do one thing or the other, neither well, and can't do them at the same time. Immortals can become incorporeal for only the turn they're active, and ferox can either jump or charge and receive damage benefits, not both. The sentry's str buffs only last one turn (not a round) and with the low pow retalitory strike and only three fury, you'll trade down over a couple turns more often than not.

What Skorne is good at is armor skew until your agonizer dies, then you have a lot of models that are just worse for more points. It's as simple as that.