/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>48167594
Never safe enough

>>48166318

2e was literally created to fix the broken mess that was 1e.
2e was literally created because 1e was beyond saving without changing everything.

>>48166173
No, but I only grow facial hair in my philtrum.

That was a joke of course, I just think it's retarded.

Probably would have been a better question for the last thread, but I'm thinking of making a team combat medic. I'm not entirely certain if I want to go magic or mundane, what do you guys think works better for building a support role?

>make a spellcaster for my first character
>get to the magic section of the corebook
>brain crashes to desktop

Fucking hell, how does anyone ever play anything but street samurai? I'm a dwarf shaman who fled Hawaii after she pissed off the Yaks and its my first time using the actual SR ruleset. My boyf doesn't wanna use Fate like we had been so I have to learn this trainwreck. Help.

>>48168045
Check out the hacking section, then get back to me.

>>48168045
You use spellcasting and count your successes, limited by the force of the spell.

You then resist drain determined by the force of the spell.

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>>48168135
First character I ever wanted to make was a decker. I had to watch it played because this was my brain on the CRB.

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>>48168045
>mfw learning to play a technomancer while barely understanding how to play a decker

Everything's just so vague and nondescript, and yet at the same time there's so many specific things to do.

>>48167975
everything you want to do is what magic does. log tradition would work better if you wanted to also be skilled at mundane healing, demolitions, matrix stuff and fixing stuff, while a cha tradition would be better if you wanted to use leadership to boost allies and be the face (or at least an of-face).

>>48168045
magic really isnt that complex. you cast spells using the same pool as everything else, and different types of spells have their own characteristics which the book explains fairly well. spirits are kind of annoying because the book layout makes finding their powers tricky, but once you do they arent much more complex than anything else. alchemy is shit so you can just ignore that completely and buy your foci.

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>>48168135

Me and my GM both sat down with this PDF and learnt Hacking from it. It's 4th Ed, but it's probably a good base to start from. Anyone know if there's an updated version for 5th?

>>48168818
That PDF is great.

>>48166851
Linked for conversation purposes.

>>48169382
I'd agree with the notion that on account of Trolls having such high base stats, they gain the least benefit from Complete Cyberization.

5e question:
How much karma do Prime Runners start with?
Since karma=cash in karmagen they must start with more karma, right, since in prioritygen they get more cash

>>48169503
Prime Runners start with 1k, although I don't think thats an official rule

>>48169879
good enough
200 more karma does sound about right.

The next run giving the option for my runners to go trough is gonna be an assassination.
I thought it would be interesting to the target have a lethal allergy.

But I can't think of a good allergy to give him.
Bees and milk seem too cliche.

>>48170016
Make it something obscure in the sixth world, so the Runners have to kill the target with something silly.

>>48170016
Latex.

>>48170016
Gluten.

>>48170016
Seafood.

>>48170016

Peanuts

>>48170035
>Runners have to kill the target with something silly.

That's what I was thinking really.

>>48170046
>latex
I'm pretty sure that would end up with the elf face dressing up as a girl and seducing the target.

>>48170075
>>48170079
>>48170135
food seems too obvious to be honest
peanuts is the best of the bunch tho

>>48170016
Air.

>>48167594
Vacation time just let out and I already miss it. After a frankly terrible espionage job overseas in Guam, the team got to spend three days in a fabulous luxury resort relaxing on the beach, relaxing by the hotel pool, playing golf and one of us catching a trid of some of the last bits of fashion week streamed right from Paris. Once the resort staff got sick of dealing with us, we scored a pretty sweet milk run: bunch of frat guys hired us to do a panty raid on a sorority house. Talks were had, surveillance was done, job was performed smoothly, we robbed the boys at gunpoint because fuck them what are a bunch of polo shirt-wearing fuckboys from a state university gonna do about it? It was a fun, relaxing week.

Point is, tell me about the fun times, /srg/. You know, the runs that are the equivalent of the cast of "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension" getting the script to that movie and realizing they were about to spend a whole movie shoot getting paid to have as much fun as they possibly could. Running the shadows isn't all running for you life from corpsec or staring down insect shamans. Sometimes you just gotta kick back and blow of some steam, and if your fixer can find that fun for you, all the better. After all, if you do a job you love you never work a day in your life.

Since Onis have +1 charisma does that mean that the type of onis in shadowrun are the sexy oni you see in some anime? (guys are handsome and swole, girls are fit and hot)

Or do they fluff that as some sort of overwhelming presence or something? Run faster book isn't very clear. All I know is that they're bright red, blue, or orange, have horns, and elf ears.

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>>48170728
It says they have a greater force of personality, but that won't stop you from having your oni waifu/husbando if you want.

I need help. My group had a close call with the fuzz getting dangerously close to tracking us down to our homes off run. How can we clean up after ourselves if we leave astral signatures? Is there a way to get rid of it?

>>48170808
Sweet. Also very cool picture. Though the fangs (tusks?) surprised me, I must have missed the enlarged fangs in the physical description in run faster.

>>48170858
Have your mage astral project and then clean it if that's what your asking. It takes a complex action to reduce the time it will be around by one hour, so just keep doing it until it's gone.

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im looking at bikes for my oni Bōsōzoku razorgirl and I got to know is there any real reason to buy a YAMAHA KABURAYA over a Suzuki Mirage? I keep checking the stats and the mirage seems to be the better bike in almost everyway including base cost. am I missing something.

>>48170932
No you're not missing anything, whoever wrote the statblock for the Kaburaya fucked up bad.

>>48170940
yeah that's what I thought. the way its priced and hyped up id at least expect it to be lighting on wheels with better handling.

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>>48170909
All orcs have tusks and enhanced strength.

>>48171060
They should make it clear which characteristics are valid for all the subraces then.

How do you guys come up with aliases or names for your fake SIN(s)? Are there any you're particularly fond of?

Johnny Nuyen is a personal favorite of mine, but nothing particularly special.

>>48170158
I'm not really seeing the issue with the latex desu.

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>>48171082
Just keep the descriptions of each race in the core book in mind as standards and any descriptions they make about variants are the changes.

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>>48171172
depends on if I got a theme or gimmick or some concept going for them.

for example my MAGA mage uses the switched around names of the founding fathers/signers of the declaration of independence as his go to SINs with his two current ones being Nathanial Paine and Benjamin Adams respectively.

Is there any sort of "cyber wings" or some shit to allow a character to fly without using a vehicle?

Or only magic can do that?

So will a standard decker always beat out technomancers? I can't figure out if the ability to make sprites is actually any good?

Where do you get the inspiration for your characters?

>>48171172
Behindthename's random generator is particularly useful for disposable fake SINs.

>>48171752
4e wingsuits, Spy Games or War!, rocket boosters or no.

>>48172138
neat, thanks.

>>48170016
colloidal silver

>>48172138
>War!

We don't speak of that book.

>>48171765
Depends on the leniency of your GM. Allowing sprites to use Diagnosis on a set of skillwires is quite powerful, for example.
>>48168818
Give this a crack. http://www.mediafire.com/download/osk2bi8v4odfc5b/Matrix+Actions.pdf

>>48172652
You don't speak of that book.

When I still played 4e, we restricted content based on use, not books.

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Hey /srg/
Strange little query:
What's a "normal" shadowrunner alias/handle.
I had my current one with the alias cassidy butcher, as an obvious reference to butch cassidy.
But, I don't know if that's a normal thing for shadowrunners to do, have their aliases be full names.

TwoDee immediately springs to mind, as do all the other runners from the storytime he did, so I feel like it's not the right thing to do.
Pic is something I just chose at random, but sundowner also seems like a pretty good shadowrunner alias, now that I think of it.

>>48172984
Common aliases are nicknames that fit the character.

>>48173014
I've got jack and shit for ideas, then.
Thanks anyway, chummer.

>>48173051
Actually, I just looked through a couple generators/lists and picked out a few.

What do you guys think of these:
>Deviant
Both of her brothers (who are both older) went on to join lone-star and be corrupt pieces of shit, repeatedly berated her for being such a deviant. Might be shortened to "Dev"? pronounced the same.
>Medusa
saving for my next runner, a shaman with green dreads
>Blitz
She's "lets slot and run, you pieces of drek" 80% of the time
>Flak
Like flak jacket, or giving you flak, ect
>Itch
like "itchy trigger finger"
but I'm not a huge fan, makes me think of an std or something.

sorry if they suck, I'm bad at names period, and it's late

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>>48172984
I'm kinda frustrated with my players. All their runner names are actual names like Steve and Simmons. However I'm a fan of my player who's character that loves old movies and has a daughter named his guy Liam Neeson.

>>48172984
It's generally single names or (compound) words, the type of stuff you'd usually use for a nickname. If you look through the comments and examples in the rulebooks, you'll see a lot of examples.

>>48172984
I run with one that sorta springs from his background story I give him.

>>48172137
Movies, games, dreams, jokes, and on one occasion a bet.

>>48173298
>steve
>simmons
Maybe they thought it's supposed to be like super generic to hide your identity or something, like you could be any random smuck off the street or something?
That's kind of the line of thought I was going with for Cassidy.
>>48173326
>comments
not quite sure what you mean by that
>examples
the stories? I should look through those, yeah.
>>48173334
What is it?

>>48173281
Those are all good, but I'd shorten deviant to dev, yeah.

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>>48173361
In-universe, the books are online guides for shadowrunners by shadowrunners. They often have comments from other runners interspersed like this.

>>48173429
Wiz. Didn't realize that it was by runners in universe, have to look over everything now.

Criticism for the guy shilling his story in the other threads:

first: too much vacillation. almost everything i read was along the lines of: Jim was a normal guy, if a guy could be normal, but no one is normal so Jim is weird for his normality, but then if everyone is weird and Jim is weird for being normal, then i guess Jim is normal, but weird, but normal.

second: holy thesaurus, batman! not EVERYTHING needs embellished. Most times, the dog can chase the cat. the soot-grey dog with the bristling mane and hungry, dripping, wind-flapped jowls doesn't need to frantically chase, like a drunk 97 year old man, who lost all his friends on Normandy Beach, trying to put out the fire on his dick after he fell asleep smoking, the cat.

Indecision, rambling simile, and verbosity might be traits your narrator has, and thats fine, but it is tedious to read and makes for an unlikable character.

third: run-ons and comma splices EVERYWHERE. stylisticly fine on occasion, but terrible as every sentence or in every paragraph.

Hey Chummers, got a pseudo-heist run, but instead of stealing something, we need to get data on an artifact held by an art dealer, mostly video. Security on the estate is crazy, crazy tight, and we're Street Level. Our tentative plan is to sneak in during a huge party on the estate, posing as catering (3 of the party) and bodyguards for a guest (2 of the party, the party lead and myself). My thought is to rig everyone up with micro-cameras (throwbacks of course), and the party lead and I with tricked out glasses (Image link, Vision Enhancements, etc.) and try to get footage of the artifact, samples of it if we can risk it.

Details on the estate: 30 Active Private Security, all ex-military, high level guys, we have names and faces of 11 of those. 2-4 Mages, unknown capabilities, unknown identities. Knight Errant on standby, <1 Minute response time. Ground sensors, overlapping cameras, long sight-lines outside the house proper. Sewers are secured by KE as well. The one entry/exit outside of being invited are the docks at the back of the estate, and those are still pretty secure. The estate is neighbors with two other estates, and in the past, thieves have gotten off the estate, into another, only to be grabbed by the other estate's security.

We have a 4000 Nuyen stipend for expenses, 2000 of which was in advance (and spent on our NPC decker), and each party member was given 3000 Nuyen in advance, with a promise of another 3000 if the job goes undetected.

We need as much data as we can on the artifact, and we don't have a huge window.

My questions to /srg/ are as follows:
Do image-links record data?
Can Contacts hold a single sensor, which is a camera, be converted to throwback, and still have the data able to be retrieved?
How can we protect our kit if (when) Security's Decker notices it? I don't think they'll hassle the two of us posing as bodyguards, but for the others, my first thought is to just make all the cameras throwbacks.

I welcome any suggestions.

>>48173573
I can see what you're saying, and I know a lot of it is negative from most people's viewpoint. As said, it's unedited, which means that I write down everything I can come up with to keep the flow and work up a large amount of raw material. It's going to lose about a hundred pages if I ever go on a serious editing pass.
I'm also writing it to fill out something I'm missing - atmosphere and ambience. One thing that really rubs me the wrong way is the writing style that more or less goes "He went to the center of the town, which was filled with high-rises. Then he went into an Italian restaurant, where he ordered a plate of pasta and ate it. It was decent." To get around that, I'm going completely overkill the first time around and then planning on cutting in it later - if I have to think about the value of every description or metaphor when I'm writing it, I'll stall and not end up writing jack shit because I don't get into a routine. I feel that it's better to go a bit too heavy on the descriptions than too light - you might make the content harder to read, but it's there and you wrote it.
It's really written for people with the same kind of autism as me, and I understand that it's too much of a brick for most people - I mostly wanted to crank out something that I liked, since there's a chance that other people would have the same kind of autism. I underpitched it for a reason.
The comma splices and run-ons are my fault, though, and I admit it. I can't shorten my sentences or boil them down without seeing them as the clumsy ramblings of a retard with the vocabulary of a travel parlor and the attention span of a gnat. I get carried away easily, too.
Basically, thanks for the criticism, but most of those things are either my (slightly autismal) intent or something I know I need to get rid of. I can't get rid of the run-ons, though, because I would just stop writing and not come back to it.

>>48172984
>me
>10Blade, elven combat medi/sammy who uses knives and katanas and used to be a top notch surgeon to the stars
>Lock, as in Lock Stock and Barrel, human weapons specialist who used to be a big arms smuggler and human trafficker out of istanbul. He likes guns
>Mauser, as in katzen who mouses. An ork decker and infiltrator stealth specialist who likes to keep runs nice and quiet.
>Helleb0re, as in winter rose. Elf decker faggot. His real name is Holly Winters. It's not even a clever pun.

>>48170728
Charisma is based almost entirely on presence, their "aura" and that kind of shit (charisma effects shaman magic remember). If you make a troll with 1 charisma, there's no reason to assume he isn't handsome enough to be in Playgirl if that's how you want him to look, he just is less likely to be propositioned to do it because he doesn't give off any personable qualities and when people look at him they think "bland nobody asshole who can frag off."

>>48174119
Fucking keebs.

>>48174119
You wouldn't happen to run with a fat bearded human rigger named "Daddy Nick"

How would you guys run a motorcycle combatant?

>>48169382
>>48169436
Yeah. The waste I was talking about was that arms and legs have a too high availability if you try for Max Troll physical stats + some Enhancement on them.

Less of a problem if the skull is used for the base and the GM lets Restricted Gear apply to the whole thing. Then you can just trick everything the fuck out. Just make sure that everything's slave to the decker's deck and that they're running high sleaze. But at least your razors and spurs are going to hit like a goddamn nightmare.

>>48171765
In a straight fight, there's only a few very specific builds of Techno that can really stand up to a decker, and it's still going to be lucky. One is a techno juicer that uses custom drugs (or Cyber-singularity seeker, but that's really too much of a specialty build to be talked about here) to stand around with 10 Will, 10 Firewall, and whose first action each turn is FMD. The other is a high-edge human Techno.

But that guy's probably better off dropping large amounts of Edge to get huge Sprites and have them hack. Or save a favor or two for extra dice on a simple low level form, edge that, and hope for luck.

Now, if you're willing to drop a point of essence or so into augmentations, you can hide better, among other things, and so make it a little harder to bring things into a straight fight. Still not the best result, but at least one submersion lets you connect in all situations that you would have before.

And if anyone can figure out where wireless handshake range is, that'd be even better.

>>48173361
Well, i write background story, then I start thinking about what his runner name wouild be based on the events.

Or, I write name, and write background story based on it.

Either way, it works.

>>48172652
>>War!
>We don't speak of that book.

so who won the war anyway

I might be running a 5e game soon, and in preparation i am looking for pre-gen characters made with the actual char-gen rules (in contrast with the pre-gens in the book).
I would like them both for myself, so i can get a better feel for actual PCs as well as for my players who might take some inspiration/take one all-together.

>>48176468
Aztech of course. They always win.

>>48176669
lame

Is it just me or is attribute boost in 5e pretty much best to take only 1 point?

>Magic + Attribute Boost Rating Test. Each hit on this test boosts your attribute rating by 1, up to your augmented Attribute maximum

No limit listed so magic is a much bigger contributor to how much of a boost you get.

>drain=level of attribute boost
so with 1 level you only take 1 drain

and it only costs 0.25 power point!

0.25 and a simple action to get on average +2 to an attribute for .25 power points seem like great deal to me. That 1 drain is always gonna get resisted anyway.

>>48176841
Nah, you want at least two levels of it, split over two attributes. That way you can use both Simple actions on boosts (body's nice).

>>48176949
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Boosting body and agility right before a fight is a pretty good idea.

in 5e astral beacon seem to give too many points for what it does.
+10 karma for having your signature lasting twice as long (when you should always scrub it away after using magic regardless, and if you didn't, you're fucked even without this quality), and mere -1 to the threshold to gather information about it (when any competent corp mage will find you if you leave your signature -1 threshold or not).

>>48176841
Yeah, you only ever want to put a single point into each Attribute Boost you take. Just remember that it gets unwieldy past too Attribute Boosts, because then you're losing more than one combat turn on getting magic swole.

>>48176492
The in-book characters are bloody awful, so I applaud you for not trusting those. I am running some houserules, but I can toss you a sheet if you'd like for a face I'm working on.

>>48177159
>The in-book characters are bloody awful
some of them don't even follow the rules right!

>>48177120
Except you won't always have six complex actions worth of time to scrub away each force 3 spell you cast with if you have Beacon. Or eight and force 4, ten and force 5, and so on.

The -1 threshold is there because means that as long as they didn't fail the assensing roll, a memory roll to recognize the aura is always a chance, instead of needing 2. Flexable Signature is also made less useful by it (you're basically counted as one less grade and you need twice as many grades to ignore the signature left behind.)

But, I do want to know. What were you thinking of that they'd use to find you based on your signature? I want to look up how those will be affected by

>>48177233
>Except you won't always have six complex actions worth of time to scrub away each force 3 spell you cast with if you have Beacon. Or eight and force 4, ten and force 5, and so on.

a round is 3 (or is it 6?) seconds
If you have a minute of downtime you can scrub away literally everything you do
if you don't have a minute, I doubt you can scrub away anything since you're likely in combat or something.

>But, I do want to know. What were you thinking of that they'd use to find you based on your signature?
I was under the impression that
>signature found=they know where you are

but I'll admit I didn't really read the magic rules that closely since I'm not a mage, and no one in my group is a mage either. (I'm the GM)
If I'm wrong please correct me.

>>48177159
>I am running some houserules, but I can toss you a sheet if you'd like for a face I'm working on.
That would be nice.
What House Rules are you using?

>>48177292
Yes, it's three seconds a round, but unless you're really specced for rounds, it's going to be one force per three seconds (effectively if you have astral beacon). So unless you're burning reagents with direct spells, every two spells in effect is a minute. And if you're not having more than two spells in effect, it's probably not a corp you're dealing with.

Signature Found has a few meanings depending on how good the assensor is. A poor one just means that there's a chance they'll remember and be able to pierce any disguise you put up (less chance if you have Flexible Signature, Masking, or both). A good one means that they'll have an idea of how powerful you are and be better able to find if you left anything behind. And Astral Beacon makes all assensors better. At the very least it means every successful looker can try to remember your signature and pass through your disguises.

Now, while you can be tracked by the astral signature, it's not super easy. Five successes minimum, one hour per roll, each hour passed means one more success needed, and here's the big thing. If you're behind a mana barrier, the force of the barrier is added to the successes needed. So if you have the Mana Barrier spell, you can add successes to the search by casting a spell. If you don't, there's the two rituals that can also put up mana barriers.

However, there's two even simpler ways. The easiest one is to have a lodge set up. You're behind a barrier of (Lodge's Force) and while it does have your signature should they find it, that's still a lot of successes they'll need to find it. The other is to have spent a few hours beforehand, and an equal number of reagents, and made a temporary lodge. It'll last till sundown or sunup, but it's cheap, can be put down near anywhere, and can make the numbers pretty high. Spend the eight hours before the run putting up a temporary lodge and for 160 NY you've made it so that the base difficulty to find you by your signature is 13.

Can you use Turn to goo spell to steal cyberware without needing complex surgery?

>>48177610
This is all great info, thanks. It makes it much easier for me to understand how signatures work in case my players ever make a wizard.

>>48177692
In theory. In actuallity, you're going to have to break it out of the goo, which could still damage the stuff and may be worse than just trying to chop the stuff out of a corpse.

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>>48170728
It mentions they have the protruding eyes, so like this (at least in the eye region, no muzzle). Charisma is more than just looks.

>download Shadows of Asia
>mfw it's absolutely stuffed with setting information and actionable plot hooks all across the continent
>actually covers more than just Japan and China

Holy fuck, I'm blown away. Is all of old Shadowrun this good?

>>48174292
2 (2) cookie elves! Out of 4! That's only 50% keeb!

Since Shadowrun's timeline diverges from our own, does that mean there was no Syrian civil war and resulting refugee crisis?

>>48167594
45 soak dice, tanked a spirit, two machine gunners, and a troll adept all at once.
Still not safe enough.

>>48170016
Penicillin.

hey /srg/.
Where do you go if you want beachside fun for the various sprawls?
I am curious what preparations and gear you need for appropriate 6th world beachtime fun.

>>48177692
The resulting goo is as tough as the subject's Body, if I'm not mistaken. You're still going to have to rip it out, but you probably won't need a hacksaw to do it.

>>48179290
A good, hot-sim enabled comm or deck, some tanning lights, a trip (or dream) chip, and something to flip you once the tan's started up.

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>>48179290
I have a wetsuit with chemical resistance, goggles, and a cyberlung with internal air. The beachtime fun might feel a little acidic otherwise.

>>48179373
>>48179334
I am still dead set on having beachtime fun.
Maybe they make some kind of acid-resistant suntan lotion

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Does your GM actually use the Noteriety/Street Cred rules?

>>48180487
Do any?

>>48180730
I use them (almost) like I take my steak. Rarely.

>>48170016
Make the dudes bodyguard have a shellfish allergy some they can negate the fight but still travel their way to the target and interact with him

>>48170016
Chrome. Gives a reason for him to be paranoid about scanning people that come nearby, and that the group may not see coming.

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>>48179290
People always talk about how toxic the water is around Hong-Kong, and act amazed when you tell them you surf there.

Now, I wouldn't go for a dip in the waters outside Kwun-Tong, the industrial district, but head to the southern coast and it's an entirely different story. As long as you don't mind being in the shadow of Wuxing's Skytower, there's plenty to see and do outside Downtown.

Aberdeen, the site of the Skytower itself, also has a wonderful fish market that draws from the best fishing spot remaining near Hong Kong. Don't feel like cooking the catch of the day yourself, go hit up one of the admittedly gaudy floating restaurants out in the harbor, and get your dim-sum and fresh fish there.

Cross the bridge over to Apleichau Island, and you'll find a free-spirited bohemian magical community that's settled there because of the good vibes that the dragon lines in the area give off. Peaceful shaman types will find a lot to enjoy there.

Ocean Park has been bought out by EVO, so it's more of a protected sea-life refuge and research lab, now, proteting and studying the Moon Dolphins and Matsyanari (a type of southeast asian Merrow). No aquarium visits anymore, though I've heard that if you're visiting for business rather than pleasure, there's a particular Matsyanari called Shan Hou that has shown a lot of aptitude for metahuman language. Wuxing and Mitsuhama both would dearly love to possess her...

Stanley is nice. In the late 2020s, the Japanese persecution lead to a flood of well-educated Filipino immigrants, and they mostly settled here. It's a sunny town full of pubs and beachside markets, with an interesting blend of Chinese, Filipino, and metahuman customs and cultures. The sound of the ocean and the rattle of mahjong tiles blend into a very soothing location, away from the blaring AR and high-paced action of the more busy areas of Hong Kong.

Whoops, comment is getting too long. Hold on a sec, I'm getting to the best part.

>>48180964

Hey, it worked in SRR:HK

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Deckers are srs bsnss in Essen, no fun or fun hair colours allowed.

>>48182540
Here we go, this is the important part.
Shek O, my baby. Big Wave Bay is the most popular surfing destination in Asia, and it's been in use for a hundred years, ever since the sport was introduced to us. The waves are the best in Hong Kong, and you see a lot of megacorporate sponsorship being plastered on surfers during the dry-season, when all the competitions are held.

Fair warning, though: Plenty of folks will be plastered with corporate imagery, but underneath those wetsuits beat some wild hearts. There are a lot of environmentalist policlubs active in the pacific rim, and a lot of them congregate here in Shek O. You'll see members of clubs that even run out of Free California here, even members of some of the more radical groups.

Full disclosure, I used to be part of GreenWar before the group went full crazy and decided that all 'All metahumans must die to purify the planet', and they provided actual military grade training to 'active members' that would be taking part in raids. So, takeaway point? Don't carelessly litter, you might annoy someone who'll be motivated to sneak into your hotel room and smother you in your sleep, and have the skills to pull it off.

By the way, I mentioned that the all the corp sponsored surfing tournaments are in the dry season? That's because the wet season gets, uh, intense. I don't recommend it for tourists, but if you're very good, and more than a little augmented or magic, then surfing a typhoon is one of the greatest rushes on this planet.

See you out there, Omae.
-Tóngshī

Does Alamos 20k have a symbol? I'm working on some handouts for my players.

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>>48182722
Whoops, forgot my pic. Sorry!

So where's a brother gotta go to get a real cheeseburger with some actual goddamn beef, wheat and lactose? Soy and krill just ain't doing it for me.

>>48182726
Considering that they're being run by literal nazis, you could just go for the old classic...

>>48182787
It's not too hard or expensive to eat some real food, it's just out of the price range for most people to eat as anything besides a treat.

>>48182787
Spotted the ghoul. Maybe you should see a doc, chummer.

>>48183739
>putting innocent streetdocs at risk of infection

You should both see Doctor Ruger.

So I'm sitting on 31 karma, and as the group's Sam I'm wondering which of these two would be better:
>Buy off Insomnia (basic) for 20 karma.
>Improve my Edge score to 3 from 2 for 15 karma.
We've so far had a mix of spread out and tightly packed jobs. I've got 11 dice to make the threshold of 4 for Insomnia, though that still means I only get my edge back and get enough sleep half the time.

>>48183970
Insomnia buyoff. You want to get edge back regularly before you get it up.

>>48183739
Ghouls don't eat beef, dumbass.

>>48184360
They could technically eat it as long as it was cooked blue. It depends on the definition of raw the GM uses.

Not that it helps with their requirements, but they can.

>>48184460
...You're actually right. Guess I'm the dumbass.

I thought it had to be Raw Metahuman Flesh all the time. I didn't know ghouls could stuff themselves with hamburger steak as filler.

>>48184568
I imagine that some ghoul makes morbid videos with a title like "Tastes Like Chicken, or not," and in earlier editions it may have been a sim.

>>48182715
>Lesbian haircut
Get that shit out of here

>>48184661
>Lesbian haircut
more like "licked my dealer's pussy once or twice" haircut

>>48184568
>>48184460

...Identity Spoofed
...Encryption Keys Generated
...Connected to Carrot Routers
> You have 1 new private message, titled ''The Krieger Strain And You!"

Ghouls only require 1% of their body weight in metahuman flesh each week. For most ghouls in the average weight of 150 to 200 lbs, this means ghouls generally need to consume 1 and a half to two pounds a week.

Assuming a perfect, 100% conversion ratio (Pulping and ingesting the bone is tricky), basic math says that one metahuman cadaver of equal size and weight to the infected will feed a ghoul for 100 weeks, or a bit shy of two years.

This is not taking into account the pounds of flesh that the augmentation business discards as medical waste on a regular basis. Cyber-eyes are one of the most common augmentations, with some studies suggestion that as many as 75% of americans require some sort of vision correction. Even that small amount of meat adds up, as sixty people getting the cyber-eye surgery produces the 2 pounds of eyeballs, perfect Ghoul Feed.

The supposed ravenous appetite ghouls possess for metahuman flesh is overstated, and takes away from the actual dangers presented by the disease, namely it's easy communicability and the danger of 'Feral' ghouls driven mad by the pain of the infection. It is well within the ability of society to provide for ghouls even without the 'magic bullet' of force-grown immature clones, or the Yakashima Corporation's Astral Infusion initiative. Providing access to medical cadavers and organ donors would go an extremely long way toward providing for the victims of this disease.

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>>48185027
>Even that small amount of meat adds up, as sixty people getting the cyber-eye surgery produces the 2 pounds of eyeballs, perfect Ghoul Feed.
>2 pounds of eyeballs

I did not need that image in my head.

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>>48185140
>he doesn't love eyes, and want them on the inside

>>48185027
I want to say there's some limit on the freshness of metahuman flesh needed that means that the cadaver can't supply a ghoul for a hundred weeks, but can supply (say) fifty ghouls for two.

But I forget where I got that one; could be an old edition, could be some house rule I kept for too long.

I'm designing a run where my runners break into a lab to steal some shit.
I wanted to have some sort of dangerous magical beast thing locked in a cage somewhere that the runners (assuming they're too curious for their own good, which they always are) release it and have to either run for it or fight it.

I wanted something like a star wars rancor or something. Basically, I want it to be
>big
>bad
>strong enough to actually make a team of runners think about running away. (I tried basilisks once but they're super weak)

But I'm not familiar with shadowrun fauna so I need some suggestions.

>>48185311
Check Howling Shadows for something big. Then cram a bunch of Bioware into it.

>>48185311
Cyber-silverback

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>>48185027
>Ghouls only require 1% of their body weight in metahuman flesh each week

That's doubled at least, as of Storm Front (not to mention that is the basic requirement, like a prisoner eating bread and water). As well, there's the question of how fresh bodies have to be for ghouls to eat them, which 5e is frustratingly vague on (and what happens if they don't get their meal a day). It's also unclear as to whether WIMPs can be used as food, whether they have the 'metahuman aura' that is mentioned as a requirement (and the restriction on freshness).

Tamanous does use meat from sketchy doctors to supplement their food, but they're not enough people willing to hand out pieces of their patients to cover it.

>>48185311
I haven't looked at the stats but pandemonium sounds promising.

>>48185388
Wimps are definitely not food viable for Ghouls, Hannabelle or some other ghoul makes a comment about how Wimps taste worse as well. Its in Run Faster as far as I remember.

>>48185337
>Howling Shadows
I didn't even know this book had come out. Might help quite a bit.

>>48185424
>Nicknamed “wimps,” they have undeveloped brains but fully developed forms, allowing you to simply take what parts you need and leave the rest either for later use or for eventual recycling.

>No thanks. Those things always taste so … sterile.
>Hannibelle

Doesn't specifically say that they can't be eaten, just that they taste bad. The whole Infected situation is really poorly handled in 5e, which is a shame since they seem to want to do something with them vis a vis the metaplot.

>>48185424
>>48185485
Should say, that's Chrome Flesh, 98.

Hey /srg/ people have suggested video's/podcasts on information for those looking to play but....
videos seem few and far between and not great, in general.
Actual play podcasts, maybe it's just me, but it's just boring as hell to listen to them.
greentexts/written stories are great, but I can't stand listening to someone recording their play sessions, it's just the worst.
Any suggestions? I'm trying to learn/hand out info on how to since my group unanimously decided they wanted to start up shadowrun, but none of us have played, to explain it to the others.

>>48178768
Read through the history or read through shadows of Asia to get up to date on the past. Around the start of the awakening there was a lot o almost apocoliptic stuff going on so I don't think it's likely.

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>>48185512
Make them read 500 pages of TwoDee.

Or the introduction to the core book of your preferred edition, and Sixth World Almanac entry for any regions you want to set the game in/have characters come from.

>>48185388
>>48185288

1% (Now 2%? That's kind of a dumb and arbitrary change) is enough to avoid magical malnutrition, which answers the question of what happens if they don't get their meal (Malnutrition) and they can stuff their faces with other raw meats, as was previously noted, which is expensive and annoying, but about comparable with the extra costs of dealing with any other chronic illness.

Runner's Compendium does explain that cloned flesh works, but not from wimps: It has to be a full, fast-grown clone, with a working brain, which is killed for food. Naturally, this has a lot of opponents.

If you go with 'Fresh' meaning 'not rotten', a quick google search means you can keep frozen meat in the freezer for 4 to 12 months, which means you're feeding six ghouls for 4 months, or two ghouls for a year, depending on how well you store the packaged meat. Three ghouls/one ghoul, if you go by the new 2% figure.

>>48185337
Thanks for the suggestion
Already found something nice. Behemoth, has 14 body, 15 HARDENED armor

nothing short of anti-tank weapons is harming this thing.

>>48185589
>TwoDee
I actually read most of his famous storytime, including some of the latter posts as he made em.
I didn't really get some beyond the obvious/inferable shit plus a bit of googling, but nows a good time as ever to re-read.
I think someone compiled a PDF of it and put it on leddit, you know if it's any good?

Hadn't considered the sixth world almanac, thanks Omoe.

>>48185707
>Omoe

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>>48185637
It's more than 2%- more like 4 to 5%. It's mentioned that an orc ghoul can go through 50 pounds a meat a month, easily. In general, 5e Infected are more hungry, more violent/feral, and more varied than before.

And 'fresh' might mean more than 'not rotten'. It might mean 'fresh enough that the person's aura still hangs on it in enough quantity to satisfy their unholy hunger,' limiting it's usefulness as ghoulchow to a few hours or day. Again, not well explained.

>>48185707
The PDF was made here by me and is in the pastebin.

THEY sent A SLAMHOUND on Johnson's trail in New Dallas, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair. It caught up with him on Main Street and came scrambling for him through a staggered array of Crown Vics and bland salaryman commuters. Its core was a kilogram of recrystallized hexogene and flaked TNT.
He didn't see it coming. The last he saw of Texas was the spotted lighting of the parking garage of a place called El Centro College.

>>48185716
Yo, Obae, wot's shwazzlin'? I be a new hotshot shadowstepper like you see on the trods. Can't wait to take the fight to the man! Fuck Airies Microtech and Mitsubishi Computer Technologies in particular!

>>48185716
sorry, omae.
typo.

>>48185748
Many thanks then.
Will enjoy your work later tonight.

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>>48185759
Made me genuinely lol.
Thanks.

>>48185748
5e was also written by a guy who notoriously hated infected, so...

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>>48185759
>shadowstepper
I'm using this whenever my character needs to act like Joe Normal and pretend he doesn't know shit.

>>48185748
Ghouls can eat human meat that has had all it's essence sucked out by a vampire and it still contains the 'special ingredient' they need to keep trucking, so I kind of doubt it's something as ephemeral as to disappear after such a short amount of time.

>>48185759
requesting a shoop of that one "how do you do fellow kids" with "How do you do fellow shadowsteppers"

>>48185388
I always thought that though that character pic was cool it was a lousy picture for a ghoul.
They don't look like zombies or anything and aren't missing chunks of flesh or rotting away or anything like that.

>>48186009
bonus points for obvious faux-cyberware

>>48185485
>The whole Infected situation is really poorly handled in 5e, which is a shame since they seem to want to do something with them vis a vis the metaplot.

All "they" want to do with them via the metaplot is to find in-universe reasons that I bet you fifty bucks "they" (meaning just Goodman) won't ever elaborate upon in any way for why you're a horrible person if you play Infected and how all Infected are horrible people by default.
It's extra fucking retarded because rules for playing them was included anyway.

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>>48186009

I always think of this comic instead of the one skater guy when someone does the 'Hello fellow kids!' bit.

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>>48186173
Good work. Saved.

>>48186173
I love it
10/10

>>48186173
Someone add more shitty mspaint cyberware to the kids and it'll be perfect

>>48173638
As to your kit, you can turn off wireless to protect it, although any wireless bonuses are lost (unless it's hooked to an internal router). Remember to slave your comlinks to your NPC decker's hacking device/comlink, so they have to go through him to get to your stuff (should give you a little bit to use those wireless bonuses if things get hot).

Beyond that, with such a quick response time, make sure you do a lot of scouting on the area, try to get internal plans so you know the general layout of the estate (fire departments miiiiiight have those?).

Don't know too much else about shadowrun's rules, sorry.

Is Earthdawn worth getting into?

>>48186546
It's actually a pretty cool setting and in some ways a much more coherent then SR (it doesn't have several company changes, editorial fuckups, and corporate embezzlement scandals shifting shit around like a retarded ape), but it's not very much like SR mechanically.

Some of the magical stuff in it really strongly corresponds to Shadowrun stuff and a lot of the "why does this even happen?" in regards to magic is basically answered to some degree in Earthdawn, though this became increasingly less true as time went on due to aforementioned lack of cohesion as SR kept changing hands and having problems behind the scenes.

There's also a LOT of material out there for Earthdawn, almost as much as for the Sixth World in some places.

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>>48186173
>gave my runner a phobia of bugs, first runner ever
>DM giggles
>don't know why
>playing shadowrun returns while waiting for second session
>get to universal brotherhood segment
>TFW
>>48186272
Nah, shitty ms paint katana(s) and guns.

>>48173638
Image-links don't record data in and of themselves. However, the thing you're going to want to connect/slave them to can. So if your glasses are wirelessly connected to your commlink, you can record all that data.

Contacts can't be usefully converted to throwbacks. There's no way to get the data because there's no way to connect. They probably also can't take a camera, but might be able to take a micro-camera if your GM lets you put a vision device in a vision device.

First, run the things silent. Second slave to a deck with a good Sleaze+Logic combo on the working end. Third, have everything sent to a more robust device. Fourth, if they're bodily on you, nobody's really going to hassle you over the tricked out glasses or other similar on-body recording devices. It would be like hassling somebody over having a blackberry.

So rather than micro-cameras, just have glasses with an image link and some enhancements, becuase if you're not outed as not belonging, it's not going to be too unusual. And if anyone has cyber-eyes, those can also record. Just send to commlink.

I swear to god not one of these fillable sheets I'm getting from anywhere has the fill-boxes in the right place. They're all either like half a letter two high, or put the bottom of all the characters in the line/box they're sitting on.

Does anyone have a well-made fillable?

Is there any good sheet that has a character image space?

>>48167594
Hey /SRG/ what's your favorite album/band for "shadowrun" music?
Hard mode: of the bands in the pastebin.
I feel like the entirety of anarchy reigns, but my group is always extremely pink mohawk.

>>48185647
Then you make it toxic and give it a radioactive breath weapon.

>>48186895
>Then you make it toxic and give it a radioactive breath weapon.
I like the way you think

>>48185311

Cyber-augmented Juggernaut should just about do it

>>48187057
>Juggernaut
>18 hardened armor
>20 body
>42 strenght

This thing doesn't need cyberware
I don't think a tank can put a dent in this

It's not a creature it's a natural disaster

>>48186599
Just curious because I picked up a 2nd edition book today in a used bookstore.

>>48184661
>lesbian haircut
fitting because she's a fucking lesbian

>>48185748
>It might mean 'fresh enough that the person's aura still hangs on it in enough quantity to satisfy their unholy hunger,' limiting it's usefulness as ghoulchow to a few hours or day.
Freezing preserves the aura. It's used to maintain samples for other reasons, too.

>>48186164
same thing happened for blood and toxic and bug mages but you can't play them either.

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>>48186599

>corporate embezzlement, editorial fuckups
Okay can you explain these to me? I'm comparatively new to SR and have only heard vague references to this shit before.

>>48187109

Honestly, how would a megacorp even start slicing into a Juggernaut for augmentation...? Even monowire isn't gonna slice through that shit.

>>48187422

But only for days not weeks.

>>48187594
Focused lasers or something. Laser weaponry cuts any Armor Rating in half last I checked, so I'm thinking that lazorbeems is the way to go.

>>48182722
This was fun to read thank you.

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Why the fuck is it that everytime I go to the mall I get a bunch of dumb motherfuckers that try to kill me, my friends, each other, and the cops that try to kill all of us?

Literally every time. It could be long time enemies or strangers. I've killed more people trying to get a bite to eat, jewelry, clothes, drop off intel, whatever.

Seriously. Our troll brings along an assault cannon (hidden in a luggage case) because of the dozens upon dozens of bastards that try to jack our shit or kill us. I carry around an Ares Alpha in a dufflebag. I put two dozen assorted grenades in backpack. I strap knives and pistols in hard to find places. I gotta buy throw-away SINs and Docwagon contracts. I break kill-records. I get whole new sets of armor that I don't mind ditching after all the evil I gotta commit when I'm just trying to do menial fucking tasks.

Help me. Pic related.

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>>48188025
I feel you omae.

I can't remember I single time I went to the neighborhood stuffer shack that didn't end up in a horrible bloodbath. I didn't even bring weapons the first time.

Tell me about your fursona, /srg/

>>48188025
Because supermalls are like, the COOLEST place to get into gunfights at dude.
Right up there with multi-story parking garages.

>>48187544

https://geek-related.com/2010/04/17/catalyst-games-defiant-criminals/

>>48188025
>>48188050
At least you've never had a pissed off mage that you Two-Faced follow you home and let her elemental play soccer with your car. I've had that car since high school, and now it's ruined, the one constant in my life, just gone.

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>>48188142
What? Elementals are friggin' nothing compared to a whole go-gangs . Yeah they're dangerous but throw enough hate their way and they'll stop. I walk into the mall like I'm rolling fucking J-Bad. It never stops.

>>48187608
Which edition/book are you reading from?

>>48188314
The mage wasn't alone, she had minions. Not sure how she even found my house, or knew that I was involved with her makeover, seeing as I was on a rooftop across the street providing overwatch. It never fails, my team fucks up, but somehow I'm the one that ends up paying for it.

>>48188056
Does Shadowrun even have animal skin/muscle grafts, or however you'd word it? I remember stuff like the Doberman sisters and hyena kids in Johnny Mnemonic, but I don't think I've come across anything like that in the SR manuals.

Chummers, do you have any tips on where to get good character portraits for Shadowrun?

>>48188056
>>48188567

Full-body Hair growth is 500 nuyen, availability 5. Rich kids can afford 'Fur Weekends' where they get the treatment done, go party for a week, then get un-catgirl-ified.

>>48189084

The Shadowrun Returns games are a good start.

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>>48189084
Commission artists, all of us are starving and spend our dayjob paychecks on stupid roleplaying games instead of food.

not sure if its already been posted, probably gets asked a lot. I want to run shadowrun the setting, but in a different system, do any of you have any recommendations? a specific system you think works? a more simple one.

inb4 gurps

>>48189367
The boyfriend runs it in Fate, which isn't quite grindy enough for me, so I'm teaching myself 5th ed, which has a lot of striking similarities to New World of Darkness, I'm noticing, a system I'm very familiar with.

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>>48189367
Cyberpunk 2020

>>48189350
How many moneys are commissions?
(Don't get your hopes up to much, this is just a general interest)

>>48189649
it varies per artist and request.
(Not the guy you asked btw)

most common factors are
- size
- color
- medium
- detail of requested commission

generally if you can draw it in 30 minutes it'll be on the cheaper side

if it will take 8 or more hours it will run on the more expensive side

ranging from 15 to 50 dollars depending on the artist on average.

>>48182722
20/10 would hire as tour guide again

Playing dual revolver gunslinger adept in street scum setting. What discounts should i take, once i get Warrior's Way quality? (got 4 magic = 2 discounts). Powers i have so far:
Improved Reflex 3
Combat Sense 1
Flexibility 1
Sustenanse
Free Fall 2
Lightbody 2
Astral Perception.

>>48188056

It's a SURGE'd albino fox shapeshifter with nine tails and pink eyes.

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>Set up a Die Hard scenario where my runners end up caught in the middle of a terrorist attack on the top floor of a skyscraper
>Initially terrorists think they are just civies due to them being plainclothes
>Terrorists waste onsite security, party told to get down with the rest of the hostages
>Party decides to fight them while unarmed
>Give them all options to surrender this time at gunpoint
>One party member dies as a result of not surrendering and charging two guys with AKs, doesn't burn edge to survive
>"Alright should we just go all out and die, guys?"
>"Yeah alright"
>All the PCs charge and get themselves killed, don't burn edge
>"OK DM what now?"

>>48190815
Why?
Is this a new campaign? Where they unfamiliar with the mechanics?
Or was the game or their characters no good and they are too socially inept to flatout tell you that they weren't having fun, so they choose to tpk themselves?

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>>48190815
See, you gotta plan around the idiocy of players literally 24/7. The correct way to do this would be for the elevator they;re in to cut out and go dark when they're on their way out, and then when the decker is rooting around in the computer system trying to turn it back on he notices terrorist deckers in the system, or can boot into the buildings CCTV and watch shit unfolding, etc. Then your situation is set up and you give the initiative and give them a chance to think and plan so they do something slightly less retarded.

Players are morons, omae. It's your job to protect them from their own stupidity.

>>48190947
The party had done a few runs at that point.
This is the second campaign I've run, and they do know the rules (I asked 3 times if they wanted to burn edge) well enough.
They seem to be having fun in each campaign but they just don't care about their characters at all and whenever one person goes into overflow they decide to do the stupidest shit and get a party wipe.
This is how the first campaign ended too

>>48191029
Well, seems like it's just their jam, then.
If you are okay with that then everything is allright. just go with their flow and make your game more run to run and less of a campaign.
Otherwise talk with them about it. Shadowrun is a game where it is dead easy to replace somebody in the group, because the PCs usually aren't the chosen heroes of destinies, but career criminals for hire...

>>48189528
Cyberpunk 2020 is just the same bloated 20d6 shit. Just get some GURPS pdfs and run it in that if you really can't be bothered to play SR5.

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>>48186164
They've been dropping hints that something is going on with the Infected, from Run Faster to the Sprawl Box and Howling Shadows- strains of HMHVV are mutating, Infected are getting more violent, and something 2spoopy is going on.

Honestly, after the shittiness of the headcases, I can get down with some basic metaplot about megacorps jockeying for CC seats and Infected needing to be culled.

>>48187544
>>48177951
Read and weep, sweet child.

>>48188025
I really ought to gif that grenade throw.

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>>48189528
>no troll

>>48189084
tumblr. My feed is pretty much nothing but character portraits and porn.

>>48189084
Pintrest is good. Lots of users on that site steal concept art and shit like that. Easier to filter searches than tumblr too

>>48191403
They're wanking off about how Asamando could cause the Sixth World to wipe itself out if a corporation were to decide that it wanted the nation's mineral resources.

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>>48191657
I hate Pinterest because it requires an account to do anything useful. I keep searching Google and finding cool images, only to end up on Pinterest and having that damn website cover itself in a demand that I get an account, like a coy Muslim showing her tits then wrapping up in a burka.

>>48191705
That's only Red. I refuse to believe that 'all the other freelancers' agree with him, because most of the other freelancers are only slightly retarded.

>>48168305
You start off by not playing a technomancer and then read the matrix chapter from the beginning.

>>48178638
Yes, FASA actually were capable of writing and making an interesting setting. Catalyst is like that writers dumb son who continues his fathers work after he dies and proceeds to fuck it all up.

>>48191739
>. I keep searching Google and finding cool images, only to end up on Pinterest and having that damn website cover itself in a demand that I get an account
I routinly add -pinterest.com to all my google image searches just to avoid that.

>>48191001
It not really your job to protect them from their own stupidity. If they want to be like that, then perhaps a game set in a shitty part of a city like Queens or Redmond Barrens is more their speed since it sounds being told at gunpoint that they can either comply or die, they'd rather die.

>>48189367
Interface Zero 2.0

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>>48192003
>dumb son who continues his fathers work after he dies and proceeds to fuck it all up

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>>48192366
I do not want this, anon. I do not want this one bit.

>>48192111
I pleaded with a player that Willpower isn't a fucking esoteric concept of Samurai fighting spiritu in SR and he could just put down his bricked weapon but he just wouldn't listen. Got his head blown off by mobster who was just going to offer his team a fucking job. He wasn't a "that guy" or anything, he was just being a dumbass.

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>>48192649
Abstract attributes are such a tricky thing for people to grasp. It's your capacity to do something, and it likely has a huge influence on how you as the player want to go about doing something, but it isn't necessarily a perfect reflection of what the character's personality is like.

https://youtu.be/keWpfCrnaUg?t=130
>This is how i Rigger

>>48192649
Have you tried loading guns with non lethal rounds?

>>48193262
It could be that he had a pain editor, in which case non-lethal rounds [b]really[/b] aren't.

Plus, it's more a runner/enforcement thing.

>>48193049
Out of all the mind based attributes low Log is always the one I've found the hardest to actualy roleplay well.
Low Charisma your character just behaves in a way that annoys people or have a blank slate for a personality.
Low Intuition you just need to take a while to pick up on stuff.
However low Log you have to find a way to be stupid without hindering the party.

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>>48193049
I never considered the attributes that abstract in SR. They're there to indicate mechanical and concrete actions. A guy who has no magical ability isn't going to understand what the mage is doing (or even what he's doing in some cases) but a mage does. Willpower physically exists, because magic is observable and repeatable (thaumaturgy is a science). The way the score works is that the character's real and observable aura/spiritualitiness can channel and/or resist magical (but real) energy in the astral gobbletygook dimension, along with some typical physical shit. Similar to Charisma, which you can max out even with the "Unclouth" quality, because Charisma is based on your astral aura shit, not your outward personality or actions. That's why essence actually makes some sense to me, because it's based on your entire body having spiritual energy/souliness flowing through it, when in current observable reality all that seems to matter is that your brain is working properly firing of electrical impulses, not even necessarily in one piece.

Long story short, he thought that his high Willpower would mean he wouldn't put down his gun on an order, I said, no, that might be how your character acts which is fine, but it's not based on the Willpower level, especially not in that instance.

>>48193262
The mobster shot him with an antique revolver he was going to give them to do the hit job (a decker just bricked their weapons to make sure they'd do it the proper way with the revolver). It just happened to be in his hand when the player character reached, thinking he was going to do a russian roulette thing to them. The other players just stood there like "what are you doing"

>>48193592
I guess logic is dealing with deductive or abductive reasoning. Putting two and two together, analyzing, sifting though things to find relevant info, organizing. Basically detective and math stuff? That one is a bit tougher to call.

>>48193895
Why didn't you just say that killing the target with anything other than that revolver would void the contract and no payment would be rendered?

>>48168045
>>48168305
My suggestion to you both is to check out the first 10 episodes of the Arcology podcast.

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>>48189649
I drew that - I'm cheap as hell, about 18£ for full body with traditional colour. Less for ink, and less for just a bust. Then again, I'm trash and that'll buy my groceries for a week because I eat garbage. Real artists will charge much more.

>>48193963
He was gonna, he failed a surprise roll when the guy hit a perception test he called and reached for his gun. The player failed an intimidation check (because the mobster knew his gun was bricked) and got his head blown off.
Their fixer had said the Johnson was shady and only offered payment details and a meetup location. This was like their third run, and they had already pissed the Sicilian mob off on their first job by trashing their pizza joint while running from Lone Star. This was gonna get the mob off their back and set up a decent contact (I was even working on my Italian and New York accents dammit!). They did the job still, but didn't get the contact afterwards.

>>48194072
I'm not licking your taint here, but artists will charge a lot more than 20 bucks/quid/eurotrash for work as good or shittier than yours. Again, not licking your taint here, just warning the guy who asked.

>>48194084
For what reason did this guy think this mob boss was going to kill the people he just hired who haven't done the job yet?

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>>48194173
Read closer

>Their fixer had said the Johnson was shady and only offered payment details and a meetup location
>they had already pissed the Sicilian mob off on their first job

It's totally possible that the player thought this mobster was taking the opportunity of their bricked guns to plug them.

What do shadowrun onis look like exactly?

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>>48194134
For sure, like I said, I'm on the cheap side because this is not my full time job. I do it as a supplement because the government stopped paying for my food when I got promoted. also I hate myself and will slave for peanuts. Like I said, real artists will charge just more. I dropped about 75£ plus tip on a dark souls commission a few weeks back, but I also had him ship me the original artwork. Most online artists work in digital only.

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>>48194072
What is that supposed to be you dirty phoneposter? Doesn't look like anything from SR that I know of, unless it's an air spirit that someone gave their sniper to for carrying purposes.

>>48194072
Nice work, man.
Do you have a DA/Website/Tumblr? (I can't find anything when googling Farthby.)
I like the style of your two pieces, what's your inspiration for it? It's somewhat familiar, just outside my conscious grasp, like when a word is on the tip of your tongue...

>>48194231
Like this >>48170932

Alternatively, with blue skin.

>>48194269
jesus

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>>48194231
>Oni share the same enhanced vision and muscular bulk of the basic robustus subspecies, but that is where the similarities end. This metavariant has variations in skin tone, eye structure, ear shape, and most notably, possesses horns similar to the ingentis metatype. While the base robustus metatype has skin tone ranges similar to that of the sapiens base type, oni skin tones occur in only three shades: bright red, blue, or orange—all vibrant shades and impossible to hide without a full face mask. Beyond that, oni possess protuberant eyes, a second difficult-to-hide facial feature. Adding to the oni’s massive physical variation are ears with a greatly extended aural helix, similar to that of the nobilis metatype. An oni’s horns always rise vertically from the temples instead of exhibiting the kind of variety in shape seen in ingentis.

Run Faster, pic unofficial art.

>>48194173
1. They all knew that the mob controlled that pizza joint because as they ran through it the waiters drew their pieces and cooks came out with shotguns and actually helped them fight off the cops. It was just a joke thing I threw in because they were fucking up their rolls pretty bad but they got SUPER paranoid about it so I played into that.

2. They noticed their guns and burners were fucked when they entered the smoke shop meetup >>48194225 and that player (he's actually a smart guy and good player) actually vocalized that the mob were going to geek them. That's why he was rolling perception.

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>>48194269
>>48194302
what about fomori
the only two pieces of info i've got are "trolls but pretty" and pic related from the hong kong files

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>>48194332
Just go read Run Faster, Jesus Christ anon.

>>48194309
Oh fuck me for not putting 2 and 2 together.

At least I started to bring vintage guns with my other shit.

>>48194332
Is that a draenai?

>>48194332
Hold up, they have stuff for non-standard races in the game?
Where the fuck is that?

>>48194345
Run Faster has little useful information tho.

>>48193895
I don't know, if a Johnson destroys my expensive weapons without warning me ahead of time I'd probably react violently too. Bricking someone's gear just so you would kill someone with a tiny revolver is a definite no-no.

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>>48194388
LURK
MOAR

Read the fucking thread, and think before you post.

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>>48194252
>>48194257
I only recently got into Shadowrun, so I don't have any art that I haven't already posted in /srg! I used to draw a lordton of World of Darkness garbage. Did a lot of work for Changeling the Lost and Vampire the Masquerade characters. Sniper Rifle Shadowguy is a Changeling.
Handle used to be Earthby, it's Glitch now.
earthboundhorror.tumblr.com
I've stopped updating my DeviantArt because I can't remember how to log in.

>>48194429
...
I was talking about Shadowrun:Hong Kong you dingus.

>>48172984
One of my favorite runner names is Godhand.

>>48194364
Yeah dude, getting a holdout or big pistol without a matrix connection can be super useful, especially when they're antiques because CSI will have trouble tracing their ownership. At least that was my idea when I thought of the job.

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>>48194464
LURK /v/ MOAR

or some other non-shit vidya site

They're backer bonus things. Every variant/sex combo, but no mechanical changes.

>>48194512
Well, I mean if you don't have a real SIN, aren't they are going to have a difficult time finding you through ballistics to begin with?

>>48194395
That's fine if a player character wants to go out acting hard, I just thought his Willpower argument was stupid. I mean, I set it up to be shady as fuck.

>>48194552
Probably. I just figured a straight up execution in an upscale part of town would warrant double discretion.

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>>48194552
If you bought the gun using a fake SIN, they can track that. And if not, if you keep using the same gun in the same jurisdiction they might build up a casefile on you.

Of course, it's probably a lot easier for them to track your crimes as, "That orc runner with a duster and revolver, who hangs out with the Technomancer with the bomb Signature, the Sioux troll adept, and the Wuxing mage." Runners aren't the most inconspicuous sort.

>>48194604
I would also assume, with that knowledge, that if you had a habit of using guns with an F availability, such as the Ares Alpha, big league investigation squads would be hounding the city for your nova hot ass?

>>48194627
I always mental gymnastic'd that the reason for death squads not happening immediately is that the people who would send those squads towards runners need to keep a good amount of runners alive for their own plausible deniability shadowruns.

what's better- being a pretty damn conspicuous good sport, or being a pretty damn stealthy murderous asshole?

I'm trying to gauge how fucked I would be leaving calling cards.

>>48194707
I never meant death squads, but like in game terms, something like more public awareness after a few in game days or weeks of using an illegal weapon.

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>>48194257
I was also a big fan of Mucha, if that's what you're thinking of. Huge fag for Art Nouveau.

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>>48194627
Probably not 'hounding the city'.

It's an unspoken agreement that when a run is over, a run is over. They'll happily kill you while you're breaking into their facilities, they'll torture you for info about who hired you, and they'll blow open your safehouse to recover stolen tech before you hand it off to the Johnson, but when all that is done with they don't show up at your door with a warrant. The powers that be don't want to destroy the shadow community, because they are the ones who benefit the most from disposable assets.

That said, if you do something like set off a giant nailbomb in a public place, make a habit of murdering Lone Star officers or wagemages, or otherwise getting public attention and opinion involved, or acting in a way that either causes damages above and beyond what'd required, they'll happily come for you with a tacteam. At that point, the value you have as a shadow asset is worth less than the value for getting you off the streets.

>>48194771
If the GM uses that system, he might. But an assault rifle is an assault rifle- you're already breaking many laws just shadowrunning, using a specific variant won't ruffle feathers.

>>48194754
Signature is a quality for a reason. Nobody minds if you're a dick, at least not unless your dickishness cuts into their bottom line. A lot easier for them to throw out an origami swan at every scene than it is to hire new security guards.

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Hey chummers, I've got 7 karma left over at character creation.
I don't want to get more negative qualities. I'm at -12 for those, but it feels like a good point.
I've got 21 in positive, and I think the only thing that's like 4 or less is billingual or something, and don't want that.
Question is, should I save that 6 karma for later, or use it to pump something small like something with no points in it, or my contacts (which suck atm, like 2/1 per contact with 3 contacts) or even pump it into money and maybe grab myself some extra gear or maybe a vehicle.
Character is a street sam, if that helps.

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>>48194800
Right, that's it.
One Part Mucha, one part Dunmer, one part Vampire(revised).
I may actually get back to you in a few weeks, depending on my own monetary situation

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>>48195009
Spend it now, you'll get the most benefit out of it.

Personally I always make sure I have a car of my own. With 4-5 karma you can get a Shin-Hyung with some hidden armour, an Alpha turret (with ammo bins for rifle ammo and minigrenades), and morphing plates.

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>>48195009
Also, fix your contacts. 2/1 is crap. Get rid of one of them, bulk up the streetdoc and arms dealer.

>>48195009
Possibilities:
-Get a Specialisation
-Get $$$ and buy something nice with it (an additional SIN and a cheap car is always a nice thing to have in case SHTF)
-Buy off a negative quality

>>48195053
Turns out I actually maxed out my karma cash on getting cyberware, so I
l'll probably just have to buy a vehicle at a later point. somewhat annoying, as apparently our rigger doesn't know what "subtle" means and got something that -screams- shadowrunner, or private army, really.

>>48195064
>Streetdoc
I'll probably do that.
Already have an arms dealer, was arms dealer, fixer, bartender (Alcohol addiction tends to make "friends")
>>48195082
Have one, can you only get one at character creation?
Already did, have 2 fake sins, but out of cash atm
>buy off a negative quality
Oh, that's a fairly good point.
I really don't need the addiction, it's only 4 points, which gives me 2 to spend on contacts, more once I get rid of the bartender.

Thanks, guys.
You're the best, don't let people tell you different.

>>48195154
Forgot to ask in last post-
how is 4/2 on one contact, and 3/3 on another?

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>>48195180
That's fine. A streetdoc is a good choice for someone in the group, and a bartender friend is good RP without needing to be mechanically codified. And alcohol is an easy addiction to feed even if you don't scotch the quality, so you don't need a rules-based hookup.

>>48195154
You can have multiple specializations, but only one per skill at chargen.

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Question about insect spirits. Do they have the same connection to their shaman that other spirits do? I.E. if you kill the shaman, do all the spirits pop back to their metaplane? And if you kill a bug spirit, does the shaman automatically know, as with other spirits?

I ask because SG mentions a Queen killing the shaman that summoned her when the shaman is no longer needed, which would seem to violate the rules (unless you assume the Queen can rebind all the existing spirits to her in a single action). And as the Queen has Astral Gateway, you have to wonder if the queen also has the metaphysical connection to her hive, whether she knows when spirits biff it. If she can, then killing one would be near-impossible. As soon as a spirit in the hive dies, she rips open an Astral Gateway and brings in 30 more warriors.

>>48195232
>And alcohol is an easy addiction to feed even if you don't scotch the quality, so you don't need a rules-based hookup.
Alcohol's a solid one, but I'd say take nicotine addiction every fucking time if your GM allows it. Especially if you're a dwarf.

>here are my bullshit cigarette toxin resist rules
>you pass

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>>48195337
>taking qualities specifically to game the system

>>48195381
The GM could always call a gas leak or say Marlboro lobbied to make nicotine patches illegal.

You know, it always really bugged me in Shadowrun that the expectation seems to be you're a bunch of bums off the street doing dirty shit for quick cash, yet you routinely have characters starting out with James Bond level talents in their fields of choice. It seems a bizarre level of disconnect.

>>48195498
It's a stupid disconnect, there's a lot of those.

Like check out the prices of decks, and then look at the recommended rewards per run.

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>>48195472
>Marlboro lobbied to make nicotine patches illegal

But even then, cigarettes is a weaksauce addiction, mechanically. If your character smokes, cool. If you want 4-9 karma for your character smoking, go fuck yourself.

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>>48195498
>the expectation seems to be you're a bunch of bums off the street doing dirty shit for quick cash

If you're doing street level, sure. From pg. 64 of 5e core,
>Shadowrun provides players with two alternate ways of building characters besides the normal experienced players. The first is for street-level characters; characters that have not yet had a chance to establish themselves as runners and are still in the process of earning their street cred. Obviously, these characters will not have the same gear or resources as the experienced shadowrunner. The second option is the prime runner build to create a character who has successfully been running the shadows long enough to have established their reputations as professionals in the eyes of Mr. Johnson. They possess the gear, the connections, and the talent to back up those reputations.

Default runners are experienced shadowrunners, with good skills and some work under their belt. They're not a name brand in the shadowrunning community, but they're competent and on the road to doing so, as long as they don't fuck up.

There's a reason that SINless is the default for characters. You're not some rich and talented bastards who are committing crimes for a lark. You're bastards with talent and some good gear (but not a lot of ready cash) who are systematically marginalized by society and incapable of advancing through any legal means. Daily life is a crime. You run because that's the best way for that character to use his talents to get ahead in life. They can't take their skills to a real job, they can't buy a real house or rent an apartment, they can't even walk into a store and buy food for the day.

If your options for living are a) do whatever jobs you can, to make what you can, or b) abandon society entirely and go eke out a short and miserable life in the Barrens, then you're going to think long and hard about Option A.

>>48195540
Smoking is also probably the lamest addiction you can think of. It's extremely easy to get, completely legal, has negligible effects on one's mental state/physiology, and completely socially acceptable.

>>48195317
The Bugs are their own little special brand of horrible. And they don't do that because, well, Bugs gotta eat. If there's not enough ready food it doesn't matter that the Queen could bring in 30, because starvation concerns mean that they won't unless they can reasonably expect a fairly immediate influx of 30 host bodies.

And more importantly, once a Queen is brought in, the Queen is a free spirit without Evanescence. No shaman needed anymore.

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>>48195693
>completely socially acceptable

Not completely, but stepping out for a smoke is a lot less frowned on then going into the bathroom for a line of novacoke.

Anybody in here use the room sweeper pistol? Is it worth it?

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>>48195702
But what stops a queen from gating in a bunch of soldier spirits, then sending them home after the fight (minus a few lucky bugs who get to fill the shoes of any poor captured fucks)?

Evanesence takes a full day to start diminishing Force, and Astral Gateway is a complex action, sustained. She could open the door for 30 seconds, let her hivemates through, and send them home in an hour once the problem is solved. She doesn't have to keep them around forever, but given 6 seconds it's a serious problem if the Queen has the same relationship with the spirits that shamans do, in terms of the link.

>>48195901
No, and no. When accounting for the Flechette rounds, the Roomsweeper only deals 7P. Its better to buy a Predator and load Flechette rounds.

>>48195901
I'd rather have a proper shotgun (and a short-barrelled T-250 as back-up) , but if you have no skills in longarms, it is a decent option to put the hurt on drekheads packed together with some ole-fashioned buck.

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>>48195901
Not for a primary weapon.

If you load it with shot, set the right choke, and get up on someone, it's a surprisingly effective way to flense some baddies. Pop a few rounds into their faces, run away, and chuck the gun. At 250¥, it's pretty solid as a cheap and untraceable murder weapon.

>>48195942
You can't change the choke on a Predator though.

>>48195923
Well, while that would make them hard to attack on the astral, note that the Bugs all have Inhabitation and Astral Form.

So without bodies, they are really limited in what they can do unless the Queen is willing to risk herself by being nearby to make everything around dual-natured.

And at that point you're basically assaulting a hive and should have Insecticide in amounts of YES, among other things.

For a complete Mundane, what's the best way to increase reaction? Wired Reflexes, I would assume, but I'm trying to find something else.

>>48196255
Drugs, Wired Reflexes, or Synaptic Boosters. Boosted Reflexes exist but aren't great.

>>48196255
There's also the Synaptic Booster bioware and drugs. Get the drugs in better grades from a Connection 5 drug dealer contact to make them less addictive.

>>48196255
Wired Reflexes with Reaction Enhancers/Move-by-Wire/Synaptic Boosters for the huge boosts.

Boosted Reflexes or Lightning Reflexes if you need a slighter boost.

If all else fails, drugs.

>>48196276
>>48196287
Awesome. Thanks /srg/

Is Enhance Aim worth it as a spell? F-1, 10 meter range reduction per hit, and at best you're probably removing a -3 if you take them from Extreme range to Long. Seems like a very niche spell, especially with the touch restriction.

>>48196449
It sounds like it might be useful if you're a pistoleer, or can do well with Alchemy.

>>48196497
Usually there's not more than one pistol-focused character in a group, though. It seems wasteful to get that spell for one character when there's other things that can benefit the whole group (though if you're a MysAd/Spell Adept with a Sustaining Focus, it might be handy).

Is there a place all your runners go to on their time off?

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>>48196784
My living room.

Make them leave, the troll drinks all the synthbeer.

>>48196643
Theoretically, an alchemic approach might be better than a sustaining focus, but not by too much. Especially if you need it again after the minutes of time pass.

>>48196841
>having the highest lifestyle
you poor soul

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>>48196885
It's not even that nice! A Medium lifestyle, two-bedroom in Tacoma. But as soon as I told the GM I wanted to spend part of the reward from our second run on a nice trid system, suddenly it's the team clubhouse.

Why can't we just hang out at a bar like normal runners.

>>48196969
Because the bar would charge more to set up a force 6 mana barrier.

>>48195693
A cigarette doesn't have any mechanical effects, though. If you've got a Cram habit then you're walking around with the equivalent of Wired Reflexes on all the time.

>>48196969
You should change the locks.

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>>48197003
You joke, but I'm actually worried about the safety of my house. The face is a Made Man in the Mafia, and if the Yaks ever decide to move into the neutral territory of my block (or if he keeps walking around saying racist things) I'm gonna be firebombed.

>>48197066
The decker can get through any electronic security, the infiltrator adept can get through physical locks. #RiggerProblems

At least they don't break in so much as they just show up whenever I'm home. I've considered having the drones run them off, but I know they've got no problem knocking them out of the air and causing me thousands of nuyen worth of repairs. And somehow it will be my fault that I don't want the neighbours to see a bunch of guys with military-grade 'ware hanging out on the porch.

>>48197131
You should change the locks and pay for extra security on your lifestyle to keep them out.

Then they have to plan a run every time they want to drink your beer.

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>>48197198
Who could do the security, though? I'm SINless, so I don't want to get a real security company involved with me (also I don't want to give them an excuse to go inside and see all the illegal shit in there).

The only gangs around are the Mafia and Yakuza. The former are a no-go due to the face being a member, and the involving the latter will just make him angry and more likely to start a fight.

>>48197198
>>48197131
>allright blackjack, you distract the guards while gridzone and I disable these locks.
>If the timetables we got are right, there should only be one patrol on this floor for the next five minutes. Just don't pull a gun or they'll up the patrols!

>>48197279
Get the shadiest, cheapest "official" security outfit you can find.
Or a slightly more expensive but "discreet" official outfit.
Or a community watch program.
Whatever.

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>>48197290
>the shadiest, cheapest "official" security outfit you can find

>OK, Hard Corps. I want round the clock protection, at least three officers. 500¥ a month, plus I'll hook you up with my Cram guy

I'll admit, it has potential. Either it'll persuade them to give me some space, or they'll destroy my house to get to the fridge and I can go start a new lifestyle somewhere else and not tell them where.

>>48197364
Think of it this way.
Worst case scenario, you get a hilarious story and a new lifestyle.

I'm in a bit of a /tg/ vidya predicament here. I really like the updated HUD and character models for Orcs and Trolls in Shadowrun: Hong Kong. A lot of the characters are also really enjoyable.
However, I just personally find the story really boring. It's too restrictive for my liking and doesn't leave any room for me to put together my own character's backstory, like Dragonfall did. Also, Duncan Wu, possibly the whiniest orc on the face of the planet.

In contrast, I absolutely love the story of Dragonfall, I find it investing and interesting. There's not as many interesting characters, though, all player character models except elves look like basement-dwelling neckbeards.

As it stands I have a hard time enjoying either. I can't play Hong Kong and enjoy the better models and interface without getting bored out of my mind. and I can't enjoy the story of Dragonfall without getting annoyed at the dumpy character models. It sucks because I want to love them both.

Wat do.

>>48197131
You might have to abandon your home and get a new one.

>>48197841
Remake Dragonfall with the new models and UI.

Or deal with it.

One of the two.

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Question from a newbie DM. Are these rewards rules solid or should I decide rewards based on other factors?

>>48198006
If I recall correctly, it begins at 3k and then modifiers based on how difficult the job was plus a successful or unsuccessful negotiation check.

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/srg help... My boyfriend is mad becauseim a slave to branding and i keep spending all of our food money on licensed garbage...

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>>48198474

I'd recommend being less of a faggot, but that would be an uphill battle for you. So I recommend you stop giving money to embezzling cockbites.

>>48198474
Fuck you if you bring those dice to my table. No GM should ever allow such horrible dice.

Question: How long does a single combat round last?After all is said and done, how long approximately is a round of combat exactly? Mostly trying to grasp the concept on how time passes so I can accurately determine how many rounds of combat it would take for a character to fatigue.