Horus Heresy General /hhg/

What's with the missing legions? Why are they missing?

I hate that you can't take MM sponsons on Leman Russes in a Militia and Cults list.

>>48149409
www.strawpoll.me/10663447
Every thread until you like it.

>>48149474
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They just are, it was originally so you could make your own legion, but nowadays it's just a part of the lore and that's that really

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>>48149474
Originally pic related and the Valedictors were the two missing legions, but GW then decided to make a historical reference and move them to a later founding and moved these gits to a later founding so you can have your dudes. Now the Missing Legions got krumped by Leman.
>>48149479
I'll add it to the template for the next thread, alright?

>>48149479
But I wrote my dudes fluff so they could fight for either side!

Why isn't there an option to be loyal to everyone? Just as long as I don't tell them I'm playing both sides before we sign the blood oath

>>48149479


>implying I don't have my traitor primarch and a seperate Orphans of Betrayal list

>>48149544
So if Armillus Dynat can buy a power dagger, Corax can buy cameleoline, right? Remember he has "the korvidine pinions" that give him the unit type Jump Pack Infantry, he doesn't have "a jump pack".

To be clear, I wouldn't actually do this, just mentioning it for fun.

>>48149693
Didn't mean to reply to that post, sorry.

>>48149693
Isn't there a rule that if you're a named dude you can't buy shit?

>>48149693
no because corax is (unique)

>>48149693
Yes, pretty rules-lawyery, but yes.

>>48149144
Is it not prohibited by the main 40k rules?

>>48149474
If you subscribe to the idea that the primarchs are based on a tarot decks’ major arcana, the two missing primarchs are the High Priestess (highly spiritual, with an understanding of the workings of the universe) and the Wheel of Fortune (an 8-spoked wheel representing cycles, fate, and major changes). The decal on the Blackshields sheet that looks like a sun with two crescent moons and two hooked pillars looks an awful lot like the High Priestess’s symbol (dun dun dun!). And in The First Heretic Lorgar remembers that those legions existed, and were wiped out and erased.

I assume that’s why Russ thought his orders to wipe out the Thousand Sons wasn’t too out of the ordinary to believe.

How should I build an Alpha Legion army?

Their special units seem pretty lackluster honestly, are they worth taking

>>48149873
>Lerneans being lackluster

>>48149835
Lorgar would be the high priestess surely?
>clerical/holy
>obsessed with understanding the truth of the universe
>somewhat feminine

>>48149877
But they are

>>48149877
Theyre just a cataphractii with a power axe and volkite charger. The only special thing they get is stubborn. Not really interesting at all. I hope they get a rework when the actual models come out.

Why dont terminators get veteran tactics?

>>48149896
>>48149897
Stubborn WS 5 and a volkite charger for 5 points more than a normal terminator? They aren't sper special snowflake unit but they're pretty gud

>>48149762

> That's not a rule

Unique is very, very simple; you only get one.
It mentions diddly shit about having fixed equipment or losing options. In the vast majority of cases they simply aren't given any, but the global character options available to any Legion model remain valid.

>>48149928
Theyre just so vanilla. I wish they at least got a special ability, or a special weapon. Preferably both.

The best legion should have more interesting units.

I also wish Headhunters were better desu

>>48149955
Give them to the Blood Angels then. I would love some Terminators++

>>48149883
He's the Hierophant: a spiritual leader and teacher, a symbol of group identity, calm, slow to change his mind but resolute when he does, holds grudges, dogmatic. One non-40k-related website says, “While the Magician [Magnus] was taking raw power from the Universe and manifesting it in the material world, the Hierophant channels that power through society.”

As for the High Priestess, there’s probably some significance in the representative of femininity having been wiped out before the story even starts.

>>48150000
>Implying BA unique units wont have special rules and equipment out the wazoo

i wish WE didnt suck

>>48150050
cadre weapons definitely need a going over. Their new RoW and redbook changes are pretty decent though

>>48150080
the crimson path is dogshit

>>48150170
>3+ FNP being dogshit

>>48150050
Suck is too strong a word. They're not bad anymore, but they still take massive casualties even when winning.

>>48149955


Lernaens are sweet. They hit other terminators on 3+ and have stubborn, making them an excellent praetor boat. They discount on volkite is great too. They are a bit vanilla but AL in general are vanilla marines +1, so oddly enough they exemplify the legion well.

Also keep in mind they get mutable tactics and benefit from Alpharius' global buffs, so in reality they're WS:5, stubborn Volkite terminators with counter charge/infiltrate/scout/move-through-cover and preferred enemy everything. for 5 points more each. Not bad.

Also head hunters are kinda the same deal, with counter charge they can put out a threatening amount of AP3 rending attacks

Is the Whirlwind scorpius any good? I have 125pts left over in my list, and I'm trying to choose between a scorpius with a HK missile and a predator with HB sponsons, combi bolter, armoured ceramite and a dozer blade.

>>48150246
+1 to your FNP in the enemies deployment zone is dogshit.

typhons/vindicators/scorpius/medusa dont give a shit about your FNP

the crimson path is garbage

Didn't get an answer in /WIP/ so I'll ask here, you guys should know a thing or two about resin.

Is it possible to use hot water to straighten a resin piece AFTER it's primed and painted?
It's only a very slightly bent sword but I'm worried the tension might cause the paint to crack and ruin the whole piece.

>>48150323
>Running your blobs into blob-mulchers

well no shit youre having a bad time retard

>>48149725
>>48149762
No

>>48149929
This is correct

>>48150352
if you arent running 2 spartans or 2 kharybdis WE arent even playable.

>>48150023
Please tell us more about the other primarchs.

>>48150391
Consider bikes.

>>48150432
nah theyd still get raped by typhons/medusa/scorpius/vindicators/phosphex

the only way for WE to even get anything into CC is to take 2 spartans or 2 kharybdis or 5 dreadclaws. its retarded.

400 points of phosphex thud guns or a typhon will kill 1000+ points of WE blobs before theyd ever see combat. 20 man blobs might as well not even be an option in the book

>>48150478
Show me on the doll where Perturabo touched you

>400 points of thud guns

What kind of asshole do you play against
implying you even play

>>48150478
>I play in a meta so saturated by the most optimal units that must mean that everyone else plays with such a setting

How many Typhons and Vindicators are your opponents taking Jesus Christ

>>48150545
1 typhon will effective kill or neuter 3 20x man blobs in 3 turns of shooting.

3-4 thudd guns with phosphex will kill them even faster.

>>48150525
a thudd gun with phosphex and shatter shell is 90 points, somebody taking 3-4 thudd guns is not uncommon. your meta must be pissweak

>>48150478
Do you think everyones army is nothing but artillery and phosphex? Unless you're coming up against the Ironfire no-ones bringing enough heavy firepower to wipe you off the board turn one.

Any Heavy artillery they do bring needs to become target number one, take javelins or jetbikes

>>48150585
>Typhon shooting at units that can't hurt it
>Using shatter shells on infantry

>>48150585
My meta consists of 2 WE, 1 EC, 1UM, 2 AL and me, a SoH player

20 man blobs are common and the most artillery anyone brings is the UM with 2 quad mortars

Just running with the theme of discussion, but is Ironfire a bit of a cock list to run? i have a Hammer list written out and expanding into ironfire is the logical next step, as none of the other rites really interest me.

>>48150327
It's hard to give an answer - it depends on how bent it is. I'd feel comfortable trying it, but I'd start with a hair dryer and a book (that can get a little dirty) to do the clamping.

>>48150545
Not him bt I used to play Black Templars and tried 3x15 footslogging squads and I can tell you from experience that it is fucking awful as you will reach assault by turn 3 IF AT ALL because your opponent will slaughter your shit as you run towards his line and if you ever reach him you will be so fucking depleted it wont matter.

I think World Eaters, much like BT, are kind of fucked not because of their rules but because their rules need them to be in close combat and getting into assault has been awful since 6th edition and that neuters them.

30k has some things that can help in that regard like using Vigilators to infiltrate/outflank large squads to assault turn 2/3 or dreadclaws to shove large squads down your throat and into your ass. WE need dreadclaws.

>>48150643
It's not that bad, there are some pretty hard counters for it, like massed heavy armour, or heavily mobile lists that can be meltabombing your artillery turn 2.

But it is a fucking badass rite to run, a rolling bombardment is metal as fuck.

>>48150616
>Do you think everyones army is nothing but artillery and phosphex?
everybody i play is running ether a typhon, 3+ thudd guns, multiple vindicators, 2 medusa or some combination of the above.

>>48150683
Shit man, actually feel sorry for you there, really shitty meta for a WE player.

Your only hope now is to become the cancer and run Crimson Path with Surlak and 20 man inductii squads in spartans.

>>48150683
I pity you

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>>48150683


>outflanks behind your artillery
>unsheathes power dagger

Heh, nothin personal, kid

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>>48150683
Smashing. Siege on my battle brother!.

>>48150706
nah crimson path is shit. i run 2 spartans with berzerker assualt. 10x terminators in a spartan, angron, praetor, 20x man in a spartan, and 2 10x mans in rhinos, + some other shit.

the 2 10xman squads in rhinos used to be 2x 20man blobs footslooging, but theyd never even see turn 3 so its pointless.

WE suck balls, the only way to run them is ether dual spartan, dual kharybdis, or dreadclaw spam, and even then i dont think WE are the strongest melee legion anyway, at least without berzerker assault.

>>48150727
Only Perturabo sieges.

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>>48150425
http://menducia.atspace.com/primarchs/I.html

It's at least a decade old, but the newer fluff isn't contradicting much of it.

The numbers don't line up, and it isn't perfect but too good to be coincidence. Also, there are 22 cards in the Tarot's major arcana: the 20 primarchs in the middle, bookended by The Fool and The World. In this interpretation, The Emperor (the character, not the card) plays the role of The Fool, who's basically the protagonist of the story with a fatal flaw. The World is his great project.

>>48150683

Sounds like somebody needs to run an Armoured Breakthrough list with 4 Sicarans and at least 3 Laser-Vindis.

>>48150755
Why do you play them then? Legitimate question. Is it a lore thing? If so I commend you.

When will outriders be able to use nuncio-vox? I want to teleport my termies next to my drive by ganger

>>48150798
i played khorne chaos warriors in a game that no longer exists, so i like khorne.

also i like their color scheme/fluff

im going to be starting a NL army soon enough, for the same reasons. theyll probably fair badly in the meta too, but im going to run a few dreadclaws with sev and DS like 20 cataphractii all up in their shit.

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>>48150766
So whats the difference between 'Siege Warfare' and 'Stronghold Assaults and Attack and Defense fortifications in extremis'?

>>48150875
I'm kidding, I am the same pedantic anon from a few days ago who made the same argument.

Its bait, sorry Anon Kun.

>>48150773
>>48150425
I'd also use Wikipedia to see what the cards actually look like. Some fit, others don't. In many cases you have to know a lot of symbols to get it.

>>48150837
Probably never, but you can take a siege breaker with a bike, and siege breakers come with a nuncio vox standard.

>>48150755
What if I run 1 Spartan 1 Kharybdis?

My meta is rather Mechanicum heavy...as a WE player myself, it hurts. Very robot heavy, lost of T7, and Scoria. I've only played at 2000 pts, but even as my lists grow I'm really just spending too damn much on transports. I can't even run my Leviathan, which I love because it's such a great model, without really gimping my infantry ability because transports are a good 1/4 of the list, and then a 300 dread (Admittedly, Contemptor-Cortus are a bit fluffier anyway and pretty effective so I'm going to start running those). I'm going to start using Assault Marines to try and counter that a bit, but those are godly expensive as well and can't take the Apothecary with them. Luckily there's no Typhons or anything yet.

It's tough to field a list that's both practical and fluffy for World Eaters, but I'm sure it's manageable. I've read that they were pretty into Speeders as well, which is good since I plan to grab some Javelins for outflanking lascannons. Plus, I'll have Angron soon, and that deathstar of Butchers alongside the 20 man Spartan party just might make me That Guy.

>>48151005
>I'm really just spending too damn much on transports.
yeah we are fucked since assault transports are 100% necessary. a 2500-3000 point WE list will have at least 700 points worth of transports, unless you run 5 dreadclaws. which would only work if you were spamming vets or some other high cost unit so its the same anyway.

>What if I run 1 Spartan 1 Kharybdis?
should be fine. just remember without berzerker assault or a chaplain WE blobs arent even that good in melee.

assault marines/rampagers are overcosted and many other legions do jump troops better than we ever can.

basically the only thing WE have going for them over other melee legions, is 20 man blobs with berzerker assault, but they are easily destroyed by the abundance of cheap pie plates in 30k.

without berzerker assault giving us hatred we arent even a top 3 melee legion imo. rage isnt that good, especially compared to SoH/EC/NL/BA/etc. overcharging the butcher nails is a double edged sword since itll kill 1/6th of your own unit, its like shitty counter attack.

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>>48151178
>>What if I run 1 Spartan 1 Kharybdis?
>should be fine
That was kind of a joke desu.

In other news, fuuuck the Dreadnought Drop Pod. Shitty thing hardly stays together, and I had to greenstuff the bottom pieces because the large solid areas don't like sticking together. If I didn't find this band, I'd probably never keep it together. I'd hope I got all the agent out, I soaked it for a day and a half and then scrubbed it good.

>>48151322
I cant tell if it's the picture, but that turbine on top looks like it's pointing off at an angle

>>48151376
Fuck, you're right, good thing you noticed or I wouldn't have until it was too late

>>48151322
Do the doors open?

>>48151461
Yes, that part I at least managed. If the greenstuff manages to hold everything together I won't have to glue them shut to support that damned engine.

>>48151565
Ya did good, anon. Ya did good.

>>48150773

Really cool, but inaccurate IMO.

Lion- Hermit
Fulgrim- Empress
Perturabo- Devil
Khan- Chariot
Russ- Judgement
Dorn- Hierophant
Curze- Moon
Sanguinius- Hanged Man
Ferrus- Justice
Angron- Tower
Guilliman- Emperor
Mortarion- Death
Magnus- Magus
Horus- Strength
Lorgar- High Priestess
Vulkan- Fortune
Corax- Star
Alpharius- Lovers

Leaves Sun and Temperance as the missing Primarchs.
> The tactless paladin and the hyperactive optimist

Help me /hhg/, what happens to a Glaive when a Venerator pens it, does the Volkite Carronade just ignore the snap firing or does it not fire ?

Never used PoTMS being a CSm guy so I'm not really sure how it works with cruising speed.

If I move my vindicator with a machine spirit at cruising speed do I get to fire the demolisher cannon at full BS?

>>48150766
Rogal Dorn walks up to the wall and deconstructs it so his breachers waltz through.

One is better than the other.

>>48150875

Strong hold assualts involve taking the stronghold, Siege warfare replaces it with a (sometimes irradiated) parking lot.

>>48150908
Ive been overlooking that forever, I even fielded one a few times. Tank hunter bikes and now no scatter termies, I think I'm in love

Upvoted

>>48151890
It's only tankhunter for the heavy weapon shooting of the attached squad, so take multi-melta jetbikes for maximum SYNERGY

>>48150875
Seige typical involves bombaring the fort for weeks while cutting them off of supplies. After the defenders are shell shocked, sleep deprived, starving, and dehydrated only then did the Iron warriors start to paint the outsides of their walls a pretty super human red

>>48150270
So the TT matches the lore

>>48151945
I already ran that and ussually gave a majority of them power weapons. Typically shit works out real well minus few times the squad bit it on the first couple of turns.

>>48152026
Jetbikers can't take power weapons though? Or are you referring to Outriders?

>>48152071
Outriders, I tried jetbikes but they weren't tough enough for the points I sank into them

>>48152096
Fair enough, looking at what I said before the Siege breaker gets tank hunter on all of his attacks, not just his Heavy wep shooting, so he could have Tank Hunter Meltabombs, which is some scary shit when you think about it.

>>48151739
Weapons that do not roll to hit or hit automatically cannot be fired as snap shots.

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>>48150301
Someone pls reply I want to go to bed :(

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Got a sweet template set off of ebay. Check em.

>>48152313
Cut ten points elsewhere and bring a Sicarian

>>48152371
I was actually thinking this as a secret third option but didn't post it

Congratulations anon, you win the secret prize

It's nothing there is no prize

>>48152371
Follow up question: Are sponsons worth it on the sicaran? And if so, which ones?

>>48152326
That's are pretty huge, what're you going to spray it on?

>>48152492
If you're strapped for points, not really. If i have less than 60 points free at the end of a list, i'll buy them, but otherwise skip

>>48152553
Sounds good, I'm just a bit worried that with one bad penetrating hit it'll be gunless

>>48152553
what about sponsons on Predators with the standard cannon? I kinda wanted to build them with heavy bolters just so that a weapon destroyed doesn't neuter the whole tank automatically.

>>48152593
Personal preference really, and meta. How often will you be receiving a pen without being totally wrecked just from HP loss? Near me everything antitank is either HSS/Havocs with lascannons or big stompy things with chainfists, which means anything that gets hit is going to die, so i keep them cheap. If you think theres a risk of weapon destroyed without dying, and you have the points, try it out and make your own decision.

>>48152503
It's templates for blast, large blast, and flamers. Funny thing is I actually have a lot more use for them in 40k than 30k, but it's still my legion and I have a few weapons to use them with.

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Which Primarch brings the most on the table for his value?

How would you rank them?

>>48153421
In-game?

>>48153454
Yes.

Would Predator Tanks with the Command Tank special rule for 25 points (24 inch reroll morale) be better than giving Tac Squads Vexillas since they act as mobile Vexillas? Also I'm starting to think that sponson Heavy Bolters on Predators are useless and sponson Lascannons are too expensive.

>>48153421
>>48153421
>Which Primarch brings the most on the table for his value?
alpharius
>How would you rank them?
in order.
alpharius
horus
girlyman
pert
ferrus
curze
dorn
vulkan
the rest are just beatsticks that dont add much 2bh lad, unless lorgar is doing some goofy shit

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>tfw not sure if want to be with senpai or I am senpai

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>>48153696
Nah, you can't be Konrad. You're female, after all.

Have a Konrad for your troubles.

>>48153773
>you can't be Konrad. You're female
So? What does that prove?

>>48153696
Curzefag, do you own any models of your own? If not you should start collecting. It's pretty enjoyable when you have a faction you know you really like.

>>48153844

Unless you play 40k and your faction is trash there =[

Poor Poor Rubric Marines

>>48153833
That only means that you're either r63 Konrad or his biggest fangirl.

>>48153869
Oh I just meant modeling and painting. My 40k army is Orks, but I still love working on my Looted Wagons.

>>48153844
Small, very WIP army of 40k NL. Might post one of these days.

>>48153904
...can I be both?

>playing Dwarf Fortress
>a lot of the historical figures who are hydras are associated stregenth, rebirth and muck
How can I make it work for the Alpha Legion?

>>48154118
Hmmm.....

Maybe. Maybe.

What's your opinion on the Iron Warriors, the Word Bearers, the Death Guard, and Selfcest?

>>48154271

>Iron Warriors
Anyone who hates the Fists is OK by me.

>Word Bearers
...no comment.

>Death Guard
Bretty cool guys. Love the sickdark aesthetic they have going, great vibe.

>Selfcest
Wouldn't that just be masturbation?

>>48154426
>Anyone who hates the Fists is OK by me.
bruh

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>>48154426
Does someone need a copy of the Lecticio Divinatus?

>>48154448
She hates Dorn because he's so normal and not edgy. She gets off on edge. Seriously she could get off to some of the names in DF.
>Abod Koshkezat Nidòstshash, "Abod Slaughterdanger the Ferocious Hell"

>>48154479
I could use a copy of the Lecticio Divinatus, best be off with that heresy, bring me GREY WORD BEARERS AND YOU HAVE YOURSELF A FRIEND M8.

>>48153696
Fucking moron

>>48154426
Nah, you can't get pregnant from masturbation.

>>48154541
Cool. Do me next. Why do I hate Dorn?

>>48154602
This is going to be challenging. You hate Dorn because of an apparent "lackluster"? Or because you're an IWfag?

>>48154575
>>48154541
No sense hating on femanons. It's a special kind a woman to browse these boards, any one of us would be lucky to have her as our own.

I salute you Femanon!

>>48154640
Mate, don't white knight. We've had at least one other femanon on here as well, and neither comment seemed to have any sort of hostile intent to trigger you.

>>48154575
Wait, so if I can get pregnant from selfcest, does that mean I really am also the senpai and not just an r63?

>>48154698
Nah, you misunderstand.

R63 + your senpai = Selfcest.
R63 = masturbation.

See?

>>48154636
I hate Dorn because I am a member of the Iron Warriors MASTER RACE. (Also because only one of them does sieges AND fortifications...)

>>48154696

I'm kidding, Femanon's turn me on.

>>48154640
I don't hate Curzefag. I'm just explaining the reason she hates Dorn and the IF.
>>48154730
Figured so.

>>48154712
But I am the senpai?

>>48154730
>Femanon's turn me on.
Well, that's an odd fetish.

Were you here when mama anon was celebrating?

>>48154640
>>48154730
literally the cringiest poster ive ever seen on hhg

>>48154783
Probably not, to explain in detail, I find the propensity for Femanon's to be promiscuous fairly high due to the low volume of them existing within the community. In my mind Femanon = Nerdy Girl/woman who is probably also kinky.

My perspective.

>>48154802

Shrug, I'm fairly open from time to time. The internet is a place of judgement due to conflicting ideas and backgrounds.

>>48154636
A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B. Anon knows his shit you guys.

>>48154779
Nah, you're still r63, and your senpai is still the senpai.

A bit hard for me to explain.

>>48154833
A shame, mama anon was a pretty cool newlywed who found out she was pregnant with Alpharius and Omegon. She also apparently has regular threesomes with her best friend and her husband.

>>48154861
I'm honestly surprised Dorn is viewed as lackluster, his Legion's accolades are ranked alongside the Ultramarines in mention and he is entrusted with perhaps the singular most important task during the Heresy, fortifying the Imperial Palace.

That's before mentioning the turmoil of leaving active duty during the Hersesy to complete his task.

>>48154907
Thats pretty cute to be honest, it's pleasant hearing of such dynamism in relationships.

>>48154907
But what if I want to be the senpai and not the r63 to become closer to the senpai

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speaking of the best legion, what are you guys working on this week? after I strip my 20 calth marines and build my two predators I'm hoping to get a game in for once. my local LGS moved and I need to scope out the other mancaves nearby to see if I can grace them with my presence.

>>48154965
Anon, I even joked how baby anonpharius(s) would question why aunty anon kept coming over.

>>48155016
Painting some Headhunters I put together with generic AL conversion bits. Also moving from Ontario back home to Manitoba.

>>48155042
Hahaha, made me smile.

>>48155016
Hopefully my 20 Dispoilers and Mk2 command squad come in the near future, I would love to have something tangible to be doing with the hobby.

Now I need 20 Chainaxes...

>>48155016
I'm still trying to decide my legion.

Word Bearers seem awesome.
Iron Warriors are pretty cool too.
Alpha Legion sounds like there could be some cool coversions to be had, what with stealing and impersonating other legions.

>>48155063
I think I know where both those places are. Not 100% sure though. I'm a stereotypical American who can point out every European country on a map but gets sweaty when asked where Toronto is.

>>48155124
Don't worry fellow burger. Canada exists to be our hat and source of maple syrup.

And for /pol/ to hate.

>>48155124
When you think of polar bears and arctic-tier temperatures, you're thinking of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and all of the northern territories. -40 degrees centigrade as an average. Pretty damn comfortable if you grow up there.

>Trying to impulse buy 10 tartaros termies
>Webstore has been shitting itself all day

Looks like im staying up till 1:30 so I can just fucking phone order

Iron Warriors belong in the trash

>>48155946
they really are garbage tier

>>48155946
>>48155966
Lord Perturarbo please stop samefagging and insulting your men! Is decimation not enough for you!

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>>48156014
No.

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>If Guilliman could stand against Angron on the charge what will Sanguinius be like

>>48156092
WS 9
BS 7
S 7
T 7
W 6
I 9
A 8
Ld 10
Sv 2+/2++ (When in a challenge any failed saves can be rerolled)
Weapon
Str: +3 AP:2, fleshbane, armourbane, instant death

>>48156186
If this were to be true I would kill myself because nothing in my life could make me happier than that

Do you guys know how to get a colour for the Sons of Horus similar to the Forgeworld one but without the retarded as fuck mixing of fuckloads of paint? Is there a Vallejo or Army Painter colour?

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Yet another paintjob ruined by a shitty face

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>>48156824
Relevant baby pic I found my Instagram feed two days ago. Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

>>48156870
I hope that's your kid, otherwise why the funk are you saving baby pics?

>>48156892
You've never seen a baby that looks like he's old enough to own italian deli down on main street and had to share it?

>>48156186
I don't think that even smashfucker prime could kill him.

>>48157226
It would be a fucking long fight

>>48157226
A close fight? Might need to fix Sanguinius a bit

Sanguinius: 450 Points
WS 10
BS 7
S 8
T 7
W 7
I 9
A 10
Ld 10
Sv 2+/2++ (When in a challenge any failed saves can be rerolled)
Weapon
Str: +2 AP: 1, fleshbane, armourbane, instant death, D6 wounds per successful wound roll, must be saved separately
Special Rules
Preferred Enemy (Everything)
FnP 3+
All Blood Angels on the table when Sanguinius is on the table gain fearless, hatred (everything), relentless, and furious charge

Anyone else find upgrade kits for their legion specifics to be stupid and annoying? I mean shit, AL Headhunters cost more than terminators because you need to order tactical squads as well.

>>48157722
yah, its a fucking scam

I just bough the heads and shoulders from a bits recaster and put them on BaC mrines. Fuck it.

>>48157722
At first I thought you were talking about the upgrade sets but then I realized what you meant.


Aren't the SoH and Alpha Legion the only ones with these?

>>48157933
Imperial Fists and Alpha Legion. It's pretty bullshit. Like>>48157776, I get all of my conversion bits from Chinaman because they're so ridiculously priced on top of everything else you need to use them.

>>48156824

He looks fat.

>>48157933
>>48158013
>>48157722

It's not like FW couldn't just sell them alongside the other parts you need to complete them. Hell, phalanx warders are only missing the legs.

>>48158099
You'd think they'd just up the price by like $10 and give the necessary pieces.

Im thinking of changing legion from Alpha to Word Bearers.
Is this a mistake?

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>>48158162
No.

Our Primarch is Handsome Squidward.

>>48158162
Waddaya know, I play both. Do both. Both are good and you can throw your Word Bearer legion specifics into the Alphas if you like.

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>>48151624
>tactless paladin
Dorn and Rob already fill that niche.

>>48153563
Kinda funny to me that the legion whose whole schtick is being able to operate independently is the legion most helped by their Primarch.

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>Fulgrim's poetry

>>48158650
It's like that in the fluff too, since the alpha legion are kind of mindless without their primarch pulling the strings directly.

How would you justify traitor Iron Hands? I need ideas people and I need them pronto.

>>48159261
>>48158650
I think that they can handle small jobs, but feel comfortable with their papa helping out with the big jobs.

>>48159389
The Imperium is made of weak flesh, Mars has pledged to the Warmaster, so we should too

What would be the best dickish list you guys could come up with for traitor WE at 2,500 pts?

>>48155213
> -40 degrees centigrade as an average.
Holy shit, anon, is that Skallathrax? As someone used to the coast's daily ~40+°C thermic sensation, your comment gave me the cold

>>48159389
Warrior lodge

Ferrus and the loyalists died at Isstvan, demonstrating the weakness of the loyalist cause

The whole galaxy has descended into anarchy. Fuck both sides, it's time to be pirates.

Outcasts like the Red Talon fellow, but more resentful about their outcast status

Cyberzombies with scrapcode-infected implants that force them to fight their brothers against their will

Horus offered them STCs and unlimited power

Red Butcher syndrome. They went crazy and don't care who they kill anymore.

Disguised Alpha Legion

>>48156186
>His Encarmine blade is both a Photonic blade and a sword of double wounding

>>48159389

>Ferrus Manus was a little weirded out by the whole body augmentation thing

>Ferrus was killed by fulgrim the primarch of the legion engaging in insane body modification

>Therefor Ferrus was weak and not worthy of command, and those EC might be onto something with the augments

>>48159524

Come to think of it you could probably do an insanely cool shattered legion/3rd company elite list with this idea, relentless Kakophani and sonic shrieker equipped Immortals charging up the board supported by IH armour/dreads while Palatine blades/destroyers wreak havoc in the enemy back line

>>48159389
If our primarch was so strong then how come he is dead? Extrapolate from there.

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>>48159524
>those EC might be onto something with the augments
>Sonic weapon cyberware
>Replace their normal power axes with power Axes
>"Up the irons" as a battle cry
I hope the HH writers give us a story about an Iron Band challenging the Kakophoni to a rock-off.

>>48159629
TWILIGHT OF THE IRON GOD

>>48159597
>>48159389

You could also explore the the notion that it takes not a body to give yourself to slannesh, think of all the deranged brain augmentations only Ironhands would be capable of affecting their Legion with.

>>48159647
>EC Praetor ascends to daemonic princehood
>Fuuuuuuuck
>YES YOU ARE FUCKED. SHIT OUT OF LUCK. NOW I'M A PRINCE AND MY COCK YOU WILL SUCK.

New topic: all the primarchs as chicks, 10-12 feet, muscle bound / athletic builds, demi-gods, just as Mal wanted it. None of this teen school girl bullshit. whose you go to gal?

>>48159868
No.

>>48159706
>tfw GW will never green-light Horus Heresy: The Rock Opera
Brütal Pauldron would be absolutely excellent.

I'm doing a mechanicum force with a LoW knight painted in a blemished bronze/necrotic gold skeleton & arms and very dark turquoise armor plates. Lots of patina and grime on the bronze, layers of dark To bright red rust on the plates. What color might work for the knight's trims? The same worn bronze or something else?

>>48159919

A very bright silver perhaps

>>48158650
They're all Alpharius though

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>>48159868

>>48159868
Maximus erectus hereticus

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>>48159868
Vulkan

>>48159868
eldar

>>48149693
Dynat can buy a power dagger because he has the legiones astartes: Alpha legion special rule, corax does not have LA: Raven guard.

>>48160738
Nuh-uh. Stop being a faggot, special characters always come as they are, unless gives certain options, e.g. Abaddon, Eidolon, Perturabo.

>>48160769


Where does it say that?

>>48160738
>>48160890
Really?

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>>48159868
I don't know how this thread can go with tiny fragile Primarch waifus but doesn't go with the idea of going true scale.
>Would only reach her navel
>Magna would be even taller
Wew. Wouldn't be a magical realm if there's only 18 of them, right?

So wtf is the "first inter-legion civil war" referenced in whirlwind scorpius description? Lost legions or just weird name for Horus Heresy?

>>48160938

Where's the actual rule that says you can't buy special characters extra equipment that they otherwise qualify for? You certainly could do so before 3rd edition and you only can't do it in 40k because they don't have options at all.

>>48161018
Given how some characters have wargear options, like Eidolon and Abaddon, one would think named characters come as they are unless they have explicit options.
But I honestly don't know, and IIRC the red book doesn't say anything either for or against it.

>>48161067


Those characters also have those options because they're specific to that character, there's still no actual prohibition against them taking generic legion equipment that they would otherwise be qualified for.

>>48160962

Maybe the first inter-legion civil war refers to the Horus Heresy and the second is the war between the traitor legions subsequent to the scouring.

>>48161018
>>48161067
>>48161096
the problem is that we use 40k rules along side 30k rules. in 40k is says in the codex. But in out Red books, it dose not. So RAW yuo can take the war gear. BUT RAI no you can't. A friend of mine has even e-mailed FW in the passed about this.

>>48161189


>RAI

That's somewhat of a stretch in this case, since they are upgrades for anyone in the legion qualified to use it. It's not a stretch to say it's fine to buy a power dagger for the most well known commander in the AL when even sergeants get power daggers

>>48157641
Why is he suddenly stronger than Ferrus Manus, the strongest Primarch lore wise?
He is going to be S 7 T 6. Like Horus. Might be a better fighter (so WS 8 or maybe an Agron matching WS 9, but I doubt it). Sword will be mastercrafted, either flesh bane, or plus 2 strength. Will come with an inferno pistol in all likelihood. Bubble of fearless and furious charge. Might be some deep strike shenanigans, and jump infantry.
450 points.

>>48161133
Its a HH era piece of equipment though, right? So I assumed it had to be before HH.

>>48160945
T.b.h. I don't care for either one. Stop sexualizing my hobby, dammit, or at least do it to the Eldar instead. They're a bunch of whores anyway.

I doubt I'm the first to think this, but does anyone else imagine Captain Titus from Space Marine as essentially the clone of Loken?

Not literally, but he looks, speaks and acts exactly how I imagine Gavriel

Alas, the time has come, brothers. Gf moves in tomorrow. I can only hope I can still dedicate a good amount of time to 30/40k, but I know it won't be nearly as much

>>48161543
>living in sin
Heresy!

>>48161543
Drop the phosphex if she objects.

>>48161543


Spending less time is natural but she has to accept you for who you are, which means toy soldiers. If she can't deal with that, she isn't worth it

>>48161543
What does she say about your minis and the hobby?

>>48161586
This is a good point.

>>48160945
well i never said you have to / get to fuck them.

>>48159261
>>48159391

Isn't it kind of that although they're adaptable and probably the most capable of operating independently, their tricksy nature causes the Alpha Legion to work at cross purposes, as exemplified by all the schemes within schemes. They need the direction of one of their primarchs in order to effectively put all their efforts towards the same plan, and even when the primarchs are involved, they would appear to be unable to commit to a single goal, what with Alpharius and Omegon seemingly winding up on different sides of the Heresy (or not, who knows?). In battlefield terms, that plays out with them benefitting most from having a primarch on the field in order to weave all of their individual cunning plans into a single, greater, whole.

>>48161491
Dat banshee ass tho.

>>48161598
She knows about it and is fine, I'm not worried about getting "cut off" or anything (although while it's still my money, I'm going to avoid mentioning just how much I'm spending), I just spend a *lot* of time on it, play a lot of games, etc which I'll now have to redistribute onto her. We've been long distance for a long time so I'll just have to get used to it. Small price to pay for her.

>>48161779
Having a woman move in doesn't change anything, just cut back a little bit of time for couples shit and it's fine. You want her to be happy make yourself happy within reason

>>48161779
>I'm going to avoid mentioning just how much I'm spending
A prudent man. Good thinking, anon.

>>48161543
Are you Knight Anon, and is she the one giving you cheek about your models? Fast work if so, brother.

>>48161189
Is there nothing in the 40k rulebook?

>>48161448
>The joke
>Your head
I would have assumed WS 10 and a rerollable 2++ would have tipped you off

Honestly though I imagine him mostly as a slightly slower slightly stronger Fulgrim with wings.
WS 8
BS 6
S 7
T 6
W 6
I 7
A 5
Ld 10
Sv 2+/4++

>>48161973
No, different guy. I'm just a WE fag.

>>48161986
The bit that defines Unique units doesn't say anything about it, just that you can only have one of them.

>>48149835
What cards are the Primarchs then?

HHgen, I want some advice I'm having a crisis of faith (pun intended). I just read The First Heretic and man it seems like Word Bearers are cool.

On the other hand I like alpha Legion, like the hydra theme and power daggers and shit. But trying to read Legion is just a slog - way too many overly exotic names thrown at the reader, way too much psyker shit (considering in other books the astartes barely know about psykers and now there's a whole planet of chaos sorcerers raining warp fire to blow up tanks) and the Cabal seems like the stupidest idea ever.

I feel like Alpha Legion gets no good fluff. At least Word Bearers got a good book, hell I could see a force that worshiped Cyrene (what did they call her the Crimson Lady?) as a minor god.

What should I go with?

>>48162150
Read the Night Lords omnibus and embrace the VIII Legion.

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>>48162150
>What should I go with?
You said almost nothing good about the AL, so the decision is pretty clear
The IW, have faith :^)

>>48162150
I found Deliverance Lost gave a much better impression of the Alpha Legion and how they think & operate than Legion did. Maybe give that one a go and see how you like the AL afterwards?

If you're not convinced, it also doesn't have the stupidity of an army unit where each company has its own waifu as commander like Legion did.

>>48162195
>>48162150

And then read the short story Iron Fire and realize the IVth legion was the one you never knew you wanted.

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GW the fuck is with these prices?

>>48162220
>it also doesn't have the stupidity of an army unit where each company has its own waifu as commander like Legion did.

I actually didn't mind that part, I liked seeing that military orgs from before the Unification continued to exist and hadn't been completely dismantled. It gave the Crusade a more hodge podge feel like Emps just found everyone who could marshal guys with guns and sent them out.

I'll check out Deliverance Lost.

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>>48162247
It's almost cheaper to just buy from Forge World.

>>48162247
Brexit

>>48161748
>>48162150


>don't know about sorcery

Legion happens way late in the crusade, nearly Isstvan when the traitors were all now well aware of Sorcery. That and it's not like AL of all legions wouldn't know about it.

Anyway, legions pretty good, it's just a very Dan Abnett novel. Which means it's going to be fairly creative with its world building but it won't subscribe to your head canon at all. Still a good read, it really establishes the professional "we're in control and everything is according to plan" feeling of the AL

Also the actual FW Horus heresy books have plenty of good AL fluff although it's mostly about the shunned assholes of the legion

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>>48162261

>>48162060
>>48150773
>http://menducia.atspace.com/primarchs/I.html

>>48162281
yolomao lol

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>>48150773

>>48162247
Normal price for a squad of Tac Marines in Sweden.

>>48162281
So glad I bought two boxes on release. Got 20% off on both of 'em as well. FW, here I come.

>>48162281
$60 for that piece of crap dreadnought?

>>48162256
It was a neat idea, but the unit itself was fucking stupid. There's a xkcd about how many words an author is allowed to make up before it gets ridiculous, and Legion had too damned many. He never really explains them, either. I'm still not entirely sure what the 'scept is, if it's a mind control, suggestion, or psychic vox, what kind of range it has, what exactly it can do, and if it's supposed to be short for something given that apostrophe. I'm also not sure what the fuck "geno before gene" means since they're all related to each other by the uxors anyway. I liked Legion in general, but the best part about it was when I finished and would never have to read that stupid motto ever again.

>>48162281
With the current price of the Pound it's cheaper to buy Forge Worlds legion specific terminators than the GW ones.

>>48162247
>>48162261
Well it's HH, ergo something out of the ordinary for the average consumer.

As a matter of fact, before I ended up on /tg/ FW was more the stuff of legend than an actual store to me. For people who are not ultra fans, it is the opportunity to get "special", 30k stuff. Hence the price.
Not saying it's right, but I gues that's how they thought. And the supper offer that was BaC couldn't last forever after all.

>>48162281
Do you have the list of what comes afterwards?

>>48162488
The prices look like they've been taken out of Kirby's Red Book.

>>48162522
I thought his book was black.

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>>48162558
That's his heart and soul, silly. His only book is the green paper.

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>>48156824
He looks fine, not your fault that GW and Forgeworld try to make every space marine look like Gary Busey under their helmet. Glad to see you did get the head to fit, though- I was warning you about it the other day.

>>48162918
Maybe Gary has that many descendents in the far future. I mean he's even in the OP picture.

Has there ever been a character or unit, legion or otherwise, with a rabbit theme? Was just thinking about the various wolves, snakes and horses and stuff, rabbits might not be tough animals but they're like.... fast and jumpy I guess?

Not like ravens are known for being killy either, just very clever.

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>>48163037
I don’t believe so. They’re prey animals, after all, and “fluffy” describes players better than marines. But I have two as pets and one of them is pretty vicious – their teeth are ridiculously sharp and they have a strong kick. Before she got used to me she’d lunge with bared teeth to leave bloody gashes in hands and legs, and lie in ambush and bite my ankle. Her jaw opens wide enough that she bit my forehead; the cuts were almost an inch apart. She humps every other rabbit she meets (they’re all fixed) because that’s how they display dominance. All quite amusing.

>>48163037
Won't ravens pick your eyes out and stuff? Plus they look cool and they're smart enough to use tool, have dialects and hold grudges.
The only mighty rabbit I can think of is the one from Monthy Python.
>>48163210
They do have a powerful bite when irritated. But also they taste gud.

>>48163280
As far as I know ravens aren't aggressive. You'd have to be a serious dick to piss them off.

I was just thinking it could be associated with some kind of army regiment at the very least since they're pretty diverse. I can understand the legions not wanting to present themselves as weak, and the superstitious belief in the luck of a rabbit's foot might be looked down upon, but there could be an army regiment drafted from a secret weeb planet consisting entirely of bunny girls with laser machetes, right?

>>48163037


Frankly I'm more surprised there isn't an "Imperial Eagles" legion.

There are so many fucking eagles but no one is officially named after them (in 30k)

>>48163280
>The only mighty rabbit I can think of is the one from Monthy Python.
>what is Watership Down

>>48163280
Wasn't there an experiment where some scientists put the hate of Nixion into some crows or ravens and all their descendants?
>Monthy Python rabbit
Obviously the mortal enemy of Siggy besides Scoria. The BTs did have holy hand grenades after all.

>>48163037
>>48163210
I'm still surprised there wasn't a legion that took bears as an emblem. Maybe it was one of the lost legions, purged because their primarch's accidentally gave away the Emperor's name. Urson, geddit?

>>48161986
40k doesn't have any "Any character with the X rule can buy Y for Z points" that 30k does for legion-specific items. Everything is explicitly written within the unit entry and says something similar to "May take items from the X list" if they can take stuff, which special characters almost never can.

That's where the problem lies, "no options on special characters" is only implicit because of 40k standard practice, not actually explicit and therefore by RAW is allowed.

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>>48163342
>You'd have to be a serious dick to piss them off.
You obviously don't know about Raven anon, who caused his murder of ravens to rout the rival murder. There's also the king of swans who comanded his army to attack some kids.
>>48163354
I shall watch this watership down you talk about>>48163371
>Wasn't there an experiment where some scientists put the hate of Nixion into some crows or ravens and all their descendants?
That one.

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>>48163342
Rabbits tunnel pretty well, come out at dawn (and dusk), and have good hearing. They establish a hierarchy within the warren. I suppose that’s something to work with.

>>48163525
I guess I'm used to the old days when there was actually a rule saying that they had to be taken as-is.

>>48163534
I wonder how many of these Nixion hating birds are still kicking.

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>>48163534
This story?

>>48162247
>>48162261
Time to get your BaC boxes while you can. Get an extra one or two, then sell the sprues after they're all gone.

>>48162488
I wonder if these'll last forever. Maybe they'll sell them for a while to empty out the warehouses.

>>48163533
>no church on the base
Disgusting

>>48163582
Ah yes, that one. Thank you.

>>48152492
As a quick follow up, lascannons do wonders for me on my sicarans as my AT is pretty weak. Sicaran becomes a fantastic tank-hunter for only 4 more points, plus better abuse of your fast rules than firing the hull HB.

>>48163542


I'm used to the older days where I could buy Marneus Calgar or Asurmen any damn wargear card I well pleased


And yes Asurmen with swooping hawk wings was OP as shit

>>48155016
Workin on some headhunters, having an internal debate on whether or not to pick up some rapier with laser destroyers and whether or not I need an infiltrating spartan

>>48163702
I was thinking about buying some Kataphron Breachers and converting their treads into Rapiers, but I ultimately decided that having Knights as allies already met my quota of "fuck you" units in my list. can you infiltrate Rapiers with AL?

>>48163778
>can you infiltrate Rapiers with AL?
Yes. You can also give them Tank hunters

>>48161448
Real Sanguinius should be able to barely beat Horus just by pure maths but have worse army buffs

Blackshields won't be in the new red book, right?

>>48164189
They should as they are just a two page addition to the vanilla list, we've only seen the units so no one knows.

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>>48162281
LOL they're fucking tripping

>>48164222
Knowing FW there won't be Blackshields in the new red book just like WS, BA and DA weren't in the new legion book.

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>>48154479
I keep seeing this guy and I just now noticed he has a skull decal on his mask

>>48164513
Difference is Blackshields are complete, WS/DA/BA are not.

>>48164548
Surely they would have listed the Blackshield units in the teaser we got a while ago?

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>mfw I want to play my BAngels but uni is kicking my ass and I don't have time to

My friend has some World Eaters and last time we played he kicked my ass. I want a rematch.

>>48159455
More or less, yeah. I've been in Niagara for a couple of years, so it barely drops below zero, but -40 is light sweater weather. If not T-shirt weather. I can do cold, but fuck heat.

>>48164640


>-40 Celsius(same in Fahrenheit)
>light sweater weather

My only amazement of Midwest people is their continued ability to fucking lie

>>48161448
I doubt he'll be simple jump infantry. His wings are almost certainly going to have special rules to let him to all kinds of crazy things. Corvus Corax got great rules to allow him to run solo without getting obliterated by shooting so I'd be shocked if Sanguinius didn't get something equally cool.

>>48164770
I shit you not, anon, I own no jackets.

>>48164791
>Sanguinius is a borderling FMC
>Can vector strike
>Sanguinius tackles a plane out of the sky

>>48164797
Do you run the whole time outside?

I'm contemplating whether I should take a break from painting marines after finishing my Night Lords and focus on Malifaux or start working on some Blackshields...I could also expand my Tyrant's Legion militia and make them into 30k imperial militia...

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>>48165052
God I love my Primarch

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>>48165135

So do I.

>>48165179
shoo shoo spooky scoria

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>>48164640
>>48164797
Unless you consider "walk from my house to my car in a t-shirt" to be considered t-shirt weather, you are looking at some serious risks of frostbite.

>>48165052
So he'll have exactly the same rules as Corax then?

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>>48165221
>TRIGGER MODE
>ACTIVATE

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>>48165135
We all do, brother.

>>48165052
>>Sanguinius tackles a plane out of the sky
Well, those are the wings that deliver servoskulls to all Imperial children in Sanguinalia after all.
I wonder how many traitor flights ended with "but suddenly, Sanguinius"
>>48165289
At the leftmost upper corner of 40F @5m, that's when heat is unbearable
So I turn on the fan :^)

>>48154833
>Shrug
leave, and never come back.

>>48165552
>Sire we've been intercepted!
>By what? Bring back those Stormbirds damn it!
>Oh god! Its..Its beautiful!

>>48165058
Casual strolls, son.
>>48165289
I know. When I was still in highschool, I'd have about 15 minutes of walking to the bus/waiting for the bus, then a 45 minute ride in an ice cold tin can, as the heating was shit, and then whatever other periods I spent outside. Typically lunch or just going for a walk out of boredom. I mean shit, school wasn't cancelled unless it hit -45. And the worst day I'd experienced was -57. There was no outside at -57. That chart feels a little off, as I've never had frostbite.

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>>48165551
so sexy

>>48165627
>>48165578
>>48165552
Instead of tackling things out of the sky I hope he has the opposite rules and when he deep strikes he does so in the wake of a large blast ~the strength of a vindicator, like in the beginning of FtT

>>48165704
I hope Magnus gets a once per match psychic power that does 2d6 S: D hits, since the dude has taken down various ork and eldar titans equivalent to warlords by his lonesome.

>>48165071
I'd also need to buy a proper case for my 30k needs, not to mention the new red books when they come out. And I might want to get some bigger toys for my Night Lords too. Maybe I should get try to get a job first..

>>48165759
I can only imagine what the Emperor will do

>>48165911
>"Tired of your shit"
>Range: Unlimited
>Strength: *
>LOS not required, removes the chosen model, no saves of any kind allowed
>Roll a d6. On a 2+ can remove another model from the target unit, repeat.

>>48165759
The new Tzeentch daemonic psychic power table has a strength D power, they could let him roll on that.

>>48165999


Still loses to double hand flamer moritat

>>48165704
>Place Sanguinus for Deep Strike
>Roll for scatter as usual
>For each unit Sanguinus passes over, place a large blast marker. Each model under the marker suffers a hit at Sanguinus' Strength at AP2.
>If Sanguinus scatters onto an enemy unit, place the large blast marker as described above. If Sanguinus is able to be placed after all wounds are resolved, do so.
>If Sanguinus ends up in base to base with an enemy model, they are locked in combat and Sanguinus is considered to have charged.

>>48165999
>removes the chosen model, no saves of any kind allowed
So that means my Necrons can still take Reanimation Protocol, right? =^)

>>48166110
Either way I am interested to see how FW represents him

>>48163932
I think Sangy would have better buffs for the BA models themselves, but no great sweeping tactical genius rules like God Of Battle.

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>>48166223
>>48166152
>>48166110
When Forgeworld? I need this in my life right now.

>>48166223
I could see that. That's a much better articulated version of what I was thinking. Maybe he'll have a bubble of buffs so he affects the battle where he is rather than the whole field.

Like the sands in the Rubric Marines and the bread on our tables such is the Horus Heresy General >>48166617

>>48159868

Fuck off

>>48155016
Finishing off a volkite caliver support squad, waiting on some chainaxes and Khârn to arrive.