EDH/Commander General

Would Necromantic Selection not feel out of place with a Gisa and Geralf theme deck?

What are the hard rules for this sort of thing? I'm thinking of not even running signets.

>>48147263
Hard rules for a theme deck?
I think you are trying to just find more things that are flavor based, I wouldn't gimp myself trying to make a theme deck though.
I would try to find a balance of flavor and competitive.

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I never noticed this until the other day when I was playing with my friends, but the art for Parallel Lives is a wolf face.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-07-16-ezuri-claw-of-value/
I need to make this deck more efficient? What should I add?

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I have been tweaking my Tasigur EDH and would love some suggestions/feedback.
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigurs-political-pleasure-palace/

I have considered a few other cards to add but don't know if they would be worth it and if they are, where they would go.
>Tanglewire
>Horn of Greed
>Burgeoning
>Mana Web
>Empty the Pits

>>48147386
I don't have much experience with Ezuri but there are a few cards I have seen people use.
>Bloodspore Thrinx
>Invisible Stalker
>Kiora's Follower
>Master Biomancer

I don't know what your meta is but I would recommend maybe a few more counterspells.
I would also recommend a Worldy Tutor.

>>48147238

How do I summon the /tg/ proxy guy to make a proxy for my general if it's not already in his imgur?

>>48147368
Nigga how do you miss the two wolv-
>the moons are eyes the paw is a nose
Oh neat.

>>48147386
Imperious Perfect
Hornet Nest
Hornet Queen
Elf Queen

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I'm pretty mad its not for XB

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Why don't you run this card /tg/? It's so much fun.

>>48147602
X mana for 2*x p/t is too efficient

>>48147616
But I do

>>48147602
Making 2/2s en masse for 1 a pop is broken.

>>48147386
You know that Triskelion doesn't give you an XP counter when it enters, right?

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>>48147586
woops Ant Queen, not Elf Queen

>>48147642
That is not the purpose for him, his purpose is to get the counters and melt someone's face.

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>>48147386

>>48147386
Living Hive?

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What should I run in a Zurgo Bellstriker deck? I thought it might be fun.

>>48147774
Other dash stuff? Effects like Pandemonium?

That is of course if you aren't doing voltron.

>>48147851
I have none of the pieces of the Urza lands, and I'm on a really tight budget.

>>48147635
10 mana for 5 is pretty damn annoying anon

>>48147958
By Voltron he means equipment and enchantments to buff a single card.

>>48147774
In my opinion I would use equipment that equip on their own.
>Hero's Blade
>Stormrider Rig
>Sai of the Shinobi
>Obsidian Battle-Axe

To support these you would also want things like Masterwork of Ingenuity and if you use mroe uquipments Brass Squire.

You should also be looking at burst buffs.
>Titan's Strength
>Temur Battle Rage
>Rush of Adrenaline
>Brute Force
>Fatal Frenzy
>Downhill Charge
>Reckless Charge

edhrec.com should help you get the general idea of what Zurgo commonly looks like for deck.

>>48148097
Alright, I'll do my research, then post my recipe for advice. Am using cards I own, no proxies, and am very budget limited right now.

>>48148161
Well if you own a Zurgo because you played that Standard then you could have a couple of the cards I mentioned.
When you post people will probably will tell you what is straight up better so what I would do is take notes on those and make two lists, one of what you are currently running and another that is what you plan to run.

Just remember you should always be on the offensive, dash and swing repeatedly with Zurgo.
Don't even worry about commander tax, just zone him everytime.

>>48147774
Run Godo instead

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Tfw you and a friend like the same commanders but he builds them before you.

>>48148194
Nah, I got mine from a friend who didn't know what he had. He also had a Xenegos the Reveler, but he wouldn't trade it. Made me salty

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>>48147774
ETB damage effects like pandemonium, impact tremors, purphuros, warstorm surge, rite of the raging storm and pic related are all fun although this would prolly work better in a Norin monored deck

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I am building a deck around Xira Arien with the theme of costumes for her to wear because of her flavor text. I am looking for suggestions on stuff for her to wear. I want it to be casual too, so anything is welcome even if its crap.

>>48148642
Make her cosplay as Kaldra

>>48148161
Oh god this deck is going to be garbage. Haven't even started building yet, but looking at my card pool makes me cringe

>>48148642
Well if you just look at some equipment from gatherer that is not a "weapon equipment".

You got the following:
Argentum Armor
Assault Suit
Avacyn's Collar
Avarice Amulet
Barbed Battlegear
Basilisk Collar
Brawler's Plate
Champion's Helm
Chitinous Cloak
Darksteel Plate
Empyrial Plate
Fleetfeather Sandals
Haunted Cloak

>>48148310

I have a friend that just straight up copies my deck lists, I find it flattering.

>Buy Meren
>Have 30$ to improve it with singles
What do I take out and put in from a fresh, out of the box, Meren deck?

>>48148791
Kokusho

>>48147386
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/

If you wanna compare. I win fairly consistently with this setup and my meta isn't exactly casual

>>48148791
Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos are a good start

>>48148791
Take out blood bairn as it is hot garbage. If you want to have something better use nantuko husk or phyrexian ghoul. Also sidisi is a good addition

>debut new deck
>fucking annihilates everyone game 1
>instant game of archenemy game 2
>they still lose
Oh God I bet this is what being a supervillain would feel like

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>>48149002
Why do you have to lie anon?

>>48149002

I feel like more like Jackie Chan.

>>48148791
Look at the budget upgraded precon list on mtggoldfish.

>>48148722
OK, deck is done. Here's what I got. SHITBREW MODE ACTIVATE:
Land:
34x Mountain
1x Looming Spires
Instants/Sorceries:
1x Consuming Sinkhole
1x Serpentine Spike
1x Bathe in Dragonfire
1x Lightning Strike
1x Twin Bolt
1x Structural Distortion
1x Boiling Earth
1x Shrapnel Blast
1x Chandra's Fury
1x Tormenting Voice
1x Barrage of Boulders
1x Seismic Strike
1x Volcanic Upheaval
1x Lightning Javelin
1x Lava Axe
1x Ravaging Blaze
1x Wild Slash
1x Traitorous Instinct
1x Act of Treason
1x Boulder Salvo
1x Rolling Thunder
1x Dangerous Wager
1x Bolt of Lessons
1x Spark Jolt
1x Sparkmage's Gambit
1x Rush of Adrenaline
1x Reckless Charge
1x Expedite
1x Sure Strike
1x Brute Strength
Artifacts:
1x War Horn
1x Shard of Broken Glass
1x Bone Saw
1x Spidersilk Net
1x Bladed Bracers
Creatures:
1x Purphoros's Emissary
1x Artarka Pummeler
1x Viashino Shanktail
1x Spearpoint Oread
1x Fiery Hellhound
1x Vaultbreaker
1x Mogg Fanatic
1x Lightning Shrieker
1x Fervent Cathar
1x Voldaren Duelest
1x Generator Servant
1x Pyre Hound
1x Shivan Dragon
1x Dragon Egg
1x Gore-House Chainwalker
1x Borderland Marauder
1x Cinder Hellion
1x Krenko's Enforcer
Enchantments:
1x Goblin War Paint
1x Dragon Mantle
1x Fearsome Temper
1x Dragon Grip
1x Racecourse Fury
1x Undying Rage
1x Curse of Bloodletting
1x Outpost Seize
1x Curse of the Pierced Heart
1x Vessel of Volatility
1x Mardu Runemark (for flavor)
Commander: Zurgo Bellstriker.
How much cancer?

>>48149267
TAPPED OUT
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>>48149109
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-20-plunder-the-graves-upgrade

Thank you!

>>48149334
Oh yeah, that's a thing. One sec, I'll put it on there. Whoops.

>>48149388
OK, here's the tappedout: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-07-16-cXZ-deck/

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RW people, how do you not fucking choke? I'm aware I can't compete with GU in card advantage, but at least I should be capable of not choking every single time, right?

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Looking for advice on this group hug deck im building.

The main idea is giving everyone in play card draw, mana and free tutor effects while stopping people from killing you.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gruoup-hug-for-hours/

>>48149821
Eh. I win if people forget I am there. You have removal and Mind's Eye goes a long away.

>>48149821
minds eye
sword of fire and ice
rogue's gloves
mask of memory
land tax + scroll rack
mentor of the meek
infiltration lens
puresteel palidin
kor spiritdancer
mesa enchantress

>>48149903
oh god, I forgot the most important: SKULLCLAMP

>>48148642
Mask of Avacyn is
a. Dope equipment
b. Kawii as hell

>>48149943
Plus equipment tutors. You should be running other good equipment too, but tutor for Skullclamp is good most of the time.

>>48149837
Build a different deck. Group hug always ends up with some deck riding the acceleration to an early combo kill. Your prison effects will definitely not be enough to stop any properly built deck from utilizing the free mana/cards and comboing out. I have learned this from experience.

>>48149837
>Group hug
No

Build stax but disguise it as group hug. Phelddagrif is perfect for this

>>48150076
examples?

this sounds pretty fun actually.

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>tfw your order has been sitting in the USPS sorting facility one state over for like 3 days
I hope it gets here before the weekend

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>>48149821
>All ld and mass ld
>All the RW board wipes
>All the prison cards
>All the white removal that exiles
>Boop them to death with your commander while they have 0 lands and creatures
>Mainboard boil and boiling seas because fuck blue
>Go fucking hard you are Boros
Fuck her right in the pussy

>>48150808
>Mainboard Boil, REB, Pyroblast, Guttural Response and Choke in my Ruric Thar deck
I know I'm hurting myself too but goddamn it's worth it.

>>48149821
Also fuck angels they are pussies, use Brion Stoutarm
He will throw a motherfucker at another motherfucker

>>48150808
Speaking of LD, how much do you guys run?

>>48150997

I use Natural Affinity

>>48150997
Spells and creatures that have LD approximately 55 cards, pretty much from t3 onward someone is losing a land every turn the rest of the deck is land and boardwipes

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Which one do you prefer as the actual Commander?

>>48151125
Overlord is the only choice

>>48150997
Too much, probably. Godo likes him LD to get the win

>>48151125
Personally I prefer Sliver Legion for 100% bananas aggro, but Overlord is the best choice.

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>>48151125
Overlord, combined with creature type changing / adding shenanigans for stealing all the things.

>>48150997
Very little. My playgroup is a salt mine and nobody gets angrier than the guy who's been stuck at 2 lands and gets caught in a Smallpox.

>>48151231
He sounds like a faggot.

Alright, /edh/.

Think of your favorite deck, the one you'd save from a fire if you could only save one.

What kind of planeswalker is the one who uses those spells?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-5-colour-dragons-edh-sub-60
heyy this is the budget decklist i've put together

i don't have a bunch of experience in edh, can anyone better than me give me some advice to improve it without increasing the cost too much?

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>>48147238
"Underrated cards that no one but you play". I'll start.

>>48147278
They are creature cards in you grave, not creatures. Just like whenever a card says "whenever a permanent..." it only applies to the cards that are on the battlefield.
That means Heartstone doesn't help with the Unearth cost.
I know I'm tardy to the party but whatever.

>>48151548
I new a Slivers player who swore by it.

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>>48151548
combos very easily with any kind of protection you use on your deck. Perfect with Akroma memorial.

>>48151577
Anon...

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>>48151548
This is another good one that i never saw anyone else use. Literally the only guy with that ability.

>>48151577
Or with Iona for that extra fuck you.

>>48151629
It's weird how i don't see many people use it in commander.

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Would this guy be fun as a commander? What would the wincon be?

>>48151577
>>48151629
>The following cards are banned from the format:
>Painter's Servant

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>keep planning out and sometimes buying new decks instead of improving on the ones I have
FUCK

HELP

>>48151647
I hope this is bait.

>>48151125
Hivelord because if you're not running slivers, at least your commander is a 5/5 indestructible

>>48151558
Sedris give creatures in your gy the unearth ability
By your definition if i cast collected company i cant choose any creature cards from the top of my library because they are not creatures yet?

TL/DR unearth is a creature ability that is reduced by 1 generic by heartstone regardless if they are in the graveyard or not

>>48151647
1) Painter's Servant is banned in EDH, as >>48151653 said. Because of Iona. 2) Iona is generally considered a dick move.

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>>48151649
I had one. It's not bad, but... the deck does more than him. Using 5 colors is Very good, you will always have something good to do that is better than casting him. Normally i would only cast late-game. He still have some impact tough enchanted/equiped with good stuff.

>>48147238
>Progenitus
>Five Heads
delet this

>>48147238
I want that alter DESU. I'd make it a foil proxy commander. Run a ton of dragons or dragon art proxies to keep the theme of Tiamat fucking over everyone and laughing.

>>48151690
weird, didn't remember him being banned.

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>>48151548
Ayyy lmao nice graveard broseph

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>Gaea's Cradle, Serra's Sanctum and City of Traitors all bought out overnight
>on top of other recent buyouts
The fuck is happening

>>48151683
>By your definition if i cast collected company i cant choose any creature cards from the top of my library because they are not creatures yet?

Sedris gives "Creature cards" in your graveyard Unearth. Collected Company says "Creature cards" also, anon. If it's not on the battlefield, it is not a creature, it's a creature card.

Heartstone only affects the abilities of creatures, not the abilities of creature cards. It will not reduce Unearth costs, Cycling costs, Scavenge costs or any other ability of a creature card that is not on the battlefield.

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>>48151548
This card right here. There is just not many responses against it. Won the game dozens of times with this holding my opponent. I mean.. protection? indestructible? hexproof? whatever, just tap everything.

>>48151683
Check the comp rules.

>Creature
>A card type. A creature is a permanent. See rule 302, “Creatures.”

>A creature is a permanent.

>>48151812
That card isn't underrated, it's just terrible

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>>48151801
702.83a Unearth is an activated ability that functions while the card with unearth is in a graveyard.

Activating a creature card's unearth ability isn't the same as casting the creature card. The unearth ability is put on the stack, but the creature card is not. Spells and abilities that interact with activated abilities (such as Stifle) will interact with unearth, but spells and abilities that interact with spells (such as Remove Soul) will not

>The unearth ability is put on the stack, but the creature card is not. Spells and abilities that interact with activated abilities (such as Stifle) will interact with unearth

>Spells and abilities that interact with activated abilities

>Heartstone

>/tg/isbad.meme

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>>48151793

Guys help

I can't decide between Daretti, Hokori, or Sisters of Stone Death for my next deck

I wish GB had better ways to recur Mindslaver

>>48151875
Tell me one other card that can do what it does, entering the battlefield for 3 manas or less.

>>48151875
Just like the rest of the invokers

>>48151891
Okay, rewind a little bit.

Right here:
>Activating a creature card's unearth ability
>creature card
>
>creature
>
>card

It's a "creature card" when it's in the graveyard, not a creature, you dope.

>/tg/isbad.meme
The irony is palpable.

>>48151891
In case >>48151866 wasn't enough, let's go through the whole statement.

>Creature
>A card type. A creature is a permanent. See rule 302, “Creatures.”

>Permanent
>A card or token on the battlefield. See rule 110, “Permanents.”

Tell me, last time you checked, is your graveyard on the battlefield?

>>48151946
Naya Charm

>>48151946
Just play Moat and/or Humility and/or Ensnaring Bridge and/or ... and/or Effect n where n is large for 4 mana once instead of paying 8 mana every turn.

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>>48151891
Here's a similar comparison:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=193660

>Activated abilities of creatures your opponents control can't be activated.

>6/15/2010
>Linvala’s ability affects only creatures on the battlefield. Activated abilities that work in other zones (such as cycling or unearth) can still be activated.

It's exactly the same. Heartstone does not affect creature cards that are not on the battlefield.

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>>48151951
And ill repost it
>702.83a Unearth is an activated ability that functions while the card with unearth is in a graveyard.

Unearth is an ability the creature in the grave gains

The creature gains the ability of unearth, you put the ability on the stack that ability is reduced by 1

Its not hard cmon

>>48151946
Anon you would need 24 mana to tap down your opponents' creatures. That's an absurd mana sink. And it's awful. Awful awful. At that point, just cast a Wrath into Faith's Reward and smash face while everyone rebuilds.

>>48152036
>Unearth is an ability the creature in the grave gains

No, Unearth is an ability the creature card in the graveyard gains.

When you cast Final Judgment, do you think it exiles each creature card in the graveyard?

If someone were to cast Evacuation, are you going to scoop up every creature card in your graveyard and stuff it back in your hand?

If a card says "creatures" it means "creature cards on the battlefield". This is some of the most basic shit in Magic.

>>48151935
Why not Glissa the traitor?

>>48151935
Glissa is pretty cool

>>48151617

I use the shit out of Writher. It's a staple in my Liliana.

>>48151548

This card is busted with 8 1/2 tails but otherwise it's kind of a liability

>>48152121
>>48152132
Glissamind

>>48152132
>>48152121
Oh hey that's pretty neat right there, thanks fellas

I love everything about Sisters of Stone Death, except the mana cost.

>>48151683

Are you trolling?

Heartstone does not benefit sedris

>>48151793

Fuck. FUCK. I wish I had bought Sanctums when I had the chance. I didn't think they'd spike like that.

>>48151935
Daretti. You have not known joy until you have used Memory Jar multiple times in a turn and then cast Scrap Mastery to dump your graveyard onto the field.

>>48152036

So in your puny, inferior mind, Linvala prevents unearth abilities?

Faithless Looting or Tormenting Voice?

>>48152188
It doesnt benefit sedris it benefits the unearth ability because its an activated ability

http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Unearth

>>48152273

Advantages to each but overall looting is better

>>48152277
It does not benefit Unearth because Unearth is not an activated ability of a creature. Unearth is an activated ability of a creature card.

>>48151793
Judging by the current trend of what's been spiking I'm guessing people with deeper pockets are getting into an arms race over buying out strong cards on the reserved list.

>>48152277

Lol pls read the rulings on the page you linked you dingus

I have a sedris deck and i fuckin wish I could run training grounds but it doesn't fuckin work

>>48152270
Unearth goes on the stack, you dont control something till its on the field

English is unpossible

>>48152277
Holy shit you're a fucking retard. You are impressively retarded, it takes effort to be this much of a fucking imbecile. Wow.

>>48152317
It's one guy who has gone on record saying he is only doing it to make money, he barely plays Magic

>>48152335
Yes or no question.
Your opponent has Linvala on the battlefield.
You have Sedris on the battlefield.
Can you Unearth any creature card in your graveyard?

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>>48152322
Unearth is an activated ability

>>48152423
Creature cards in your graveyard are not creatures

>>48152423
Unearth is an activated ability of a creature card.
Unearth is not an activated ability of a creature.

Let's do a hypothetical.
I have a Grave Titan in my graveyard.
I cast Unsummon, targeting the Grave Titan.
Do you see anything wrong with that?

>>48152377
Yes, sedris grants unearth (granting an ability is not activated)

Unearth is an ability used by creatures in the graveyard (linvalas ability on prevents on cards you "control" unearth is an ability that is placed on the stack its not cast like a spell) you do not control anything on the stack till it gets into play, after that their activated abilities will be unusable

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>>48152480
Now, what if they have a Damping Matrix?

>>48152480
Try this one:
>Linvala on the field under opponent's control
>Dredgescape zombie in your graveyard
Can you unearth the zombie? There are two possibilities:
>Yes, meaning the dredgescape zombie in your graveyard is not a creature and therefore not effected by heartstone
>No, meaning the dredgescape zombie is a creature and therefore affected by heartstone

>>48147386
I run a Chasm skulker too.
He's fucking nuts if you can keep him around.
He keeps getting stronger, and then when he dies you get fucking shittons of exp.
I see you're running that infinite turn combo. Have you gotten it to work?
Also, in my deck I found Automaton and Pentavus too slow. They are awesome in theory but I haven't had much luck with them personally.

>>48152423
You are wrong.

You are welcome to play this game however you want as it is, ultimately, just a game. That said, the nice thing about games like magic is in nearly every situation there is exactly one correct interpretation, allowing people who have never spoken before to get together and play with the same rules. The correct interpretation of whether or not Heartstone effects the unearth ability granted by Sedris, Traitor King is 'no.' Anything else is houserules.

End of discussion.

>>48152480

You're really putting a lot of effort into this troll, I'm quite impressed

>>48152606
Thanks bro :^)

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>Creatures your opponent controls
>controls
>CONFUCKINGTROLS

Sorry bro you cant use you modern deck you are controling it from your deckbox someone in europe has a linvala out at a kitchen table game

>>48147620
>White Sun's Zenith

>>48149471
It's either private or deleted.

>>48151649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6lOg3Zfleg
This guy made a Cromat deck and topped GenCon. People underestimate you so hard.

>>48152480

If you don't control your creature spells then how would counter flux know what to counter?

>>48152766
Unearth is not a spell its an ability that goes on the stack

>>48151125
Legion. Having Coat of Arms in the command zone is too good to pass up.

>>48152718
Thank you, I never noticed. Fixed it.

>>48152793

Right but my point was just that you control things on the stack

Not that that's relevant to the situation at all, I'm just pointing out all the rules mistakes you're making

>>48151996
you do it once, and you're fucked in the other turns

>>48152023
Moat won't tap his creatures; you can't attack him freely. The bridge is good, but very restricting, but also doesn't tap.

>>48152079
>you would need 24 mana to tap down your opponents' creatures
playing against 1 guy. Also, even with more players, it's very unlikely more than one will have so many creatures on the battlefield at the same time. The thing is, you tap everything (giving you AND other opponents the chance of attack) the guy have, with no bullshit involved; no hexproof, no indestructible, no nothing.

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>>48151548
Fuck Eldrazi titans. THIS is how I prevent mill.

>>48152147
It's a must-have for any 5 color commander, i'd say.

>>48151617
I use him to get in my Ink Eyes in my troll deck.

>>48152929
Ink-Eyes costs 6, anon.

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>>48151548
This guy right here. Lifelink? he damages everything and gives you back in life. Infect? -6 to everything before even causing the combat damage.

>>48152976
>Spending 12 mana at sorcery speed before getting the effect

The ability is nice but how do you manage not getting BTFO at 5 level counters?

>>48152975
God dammit I meant Ink Treader.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ink-Treader%20Nephilim

All these fuckin names...

>>48152837
And then I play Vitalize and you're suddenly out 8 mana

It's just not a very good ability, anon

>>48148791
Gitgud frog.

Speculator scum. Luckily I literally just bought a Serra's Sanctum a few days ago for 40 dollars.

>>48152803
I'd go equipment-heavy rather than enchantments. Enchantments are card-inefficient, and in mono-red efficiency is key. Search for red cards that care about artifacts. Outpost Siege is the best card you have in that deck, so keep it in there.

One thing to keep in mind with voltron is "does this card help my commander?" Superfluous cards like Cinder Hellion and Lightning Shrieker don't really move your gameplan forward. In it's place you could have another piece of equipment like Sword of the Animist buffing Zurgo and helping you ramp.

All that burn won't help you much in a format where you will have to deal with 3 or 4 players' big creatures or decks that don't care about creatures.

EDHREC is your friend.
http://www.edhrec.com/commander/Zurgo%20Bellstriker/
http://www.edhrec.com/commander/Godo,%20Bandit%20Warlord/
I'd model it more on the Godo list than the Zurgo one, honestly.

I'll just make some budget suggestions.
Ruby Medallion, Fire Diamond, Silent Arbiter, Loxodon Warhammer, Sword of Vengeance, Chandra's Ignition, Forgotten Cave, Smelt, Smash to Smithereens, Fall of the Hammer, Armillary Sphere, Prowler's Helm, Swiftfoot Boots, Loreseeker's Stone, Staff of Nin, Commander's Sphere, Hedron Archive, Worn Powerstone, Sulfuric Vortex, Skullclamp, Vandalblast, Volcanic Offering, Tyrant's Familiar, Ghost Quarter, Dragon Mage, Steel Hellkite, Brass Squire
You don't have to spend a lot to build a decent deck.

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If I make a clone of Humble Defector with Kiki-Jiki and activate the clone, does the opponent sacrifice it at the end of my turn, or keep the clone?

>>48149837
>alter
>not flying purple hippo
Into the trash it goes.

>>48153334
Alright. I'll take those recommendations into account if I decide to keep this deck. And a lot of those cards would probably be good in my other decks, anyways. Thanks, anon.

>>48153401
The opponent sacs it. Kiki's ability gives no fuck who controls it.

>>48153494
Sweet, cheers.

How many rocks should I be running in Daretti?

>>48153579
pretty much every 1 cmc rock and most 2 cmc rocks, Thran Dynamo, and Gilded Lotus, the rest is personal preference.

>>48153114
It's a minor creature that no one normally cares, so there is not much hate towards it. Losing it is not a big deal, and no one kills it with 2-3 counters. From that point you can easily put him in 6 and give him infect or someshit for a surprise attack.

>>48153579
Sol Ring, Worn Powerstone, Everflowing Chalice, Coalition Relic, Thran Dynamo, Mind Stone, Hedron Archive, Darksteel Ingot, Gilded Lotus, Fire Diamond, Commander's Sphere, Basalt Monolith

However many that is

>>48153183
>Having vitalize in your deck
but seriously, even if you do have it, you untap it ONCE, and depending on where the game is, i can tap again.

>>48153728
>>48153751
Cool thanks

Time to start planning. I have no idea what I'm doing

>>48153751
>no Lotus Petal or Lotus Bloom

Shit is crazy when you you can recur them to the field

>>48153801
My brother plays Daretti. Dig through you library to find fatties, and discard them (Faithless Looting etc.). Then trade rocks for fatties from the yard using Daretti.

Or stax

>>48150997
I run an Armageddon, maybe a Ravages of War if I ever have that much spare cash on hand.

what color combo would be best for shitting out loads of lodestone golems?

>>48153958
RG

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So I'm making a Karametra-fueled human token deck (and as with all token decks, craterhoof is the wincon...) But because all my fancy Selesnya mana base is in my high-powered Sigarda deck, I am feeling lazy and don't want to be swapping things around. I have a concept in mind in which I'll stick to almost all basic plains + forests and mana dorks, so I want to include some nonbasic land hate. Aside from Primal Order and a few creatures that get small gains or landwalk from nonbasics enemies control, are there any other good ideas in the colors for hate?

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>>48151548
This right here. Whenever I cast it I hear collective groans from the playgroup that relies on upkeep bonuses while some laugh since its helps no one.

Until I play glacial chasm and other upkeep drawback cards

>>48151703
But he has five heads in both versions of the art?

Sup Commander players. Question about the format here. I got a new deck recently. One of my friends has said that he is scared of it and so has been exclusively targeting me and bedn trying to get everyone to gang up on me for the past week. Am I justified in switching over to a fast as shit aggro deck, that I would never play before because it was unfun in how it would just take a player out of the game, and rush him down every game for awhile so he can see what's it like?

>>48152845
>doesn't work on discard
Lol okay.

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>>48154059
It's EDH, brother. If someone's being a dick be a dick back.

>>48151793
And my store would have sold me one for $120. But no, I decided to start Warmachine first.

>>48147616
If red black wasn't garbo yeah I'd run it.

>>48154059
Your friend is a fucking pussy. I would say you're justified. Build Zada, shit out Goblins, make them buff as fuck and take a fat dump on his chest

What's the deck he's pissing his pants over?

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>>48151548

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>>48154132
>red and black is garbo

I want to argue with you, but I know you're right.

>>48154088
i can second this.

when i started out playing edh i was a bit cocky.

then one guy pulled out his kaalia deck and turn 6 killed me with a gisela and an aurelia....

>>48154021
Where can I get this plushie?

>>48151617
Check out the Transmute cards, same ability but you do it from hand.

>>48153979
why not any blue in there?
I want to have rhys, lodestone golem and then do some rite of replication shenanigans on lodestone

>>48151935
>Sisters of Stone Death
What the hell is that holy shit

I want that. I don't want that CMC, but I want that everything else. Too bad Golgari are the worst colors for those effects to be worthwhile

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>>48151548
It's pretty stupid, but sometimes it can do some really silly things.

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>>48151548
This thing. It's bad but I love it. Won me a 2HG game with a Precursor Golem once.

So much damage.

>>48151115
list?

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>making people saltier than Lot's wife over the ridiculous combination that is Double Strike, Deathtouch and Trample

This is fun

>>48154151
It's a Narset deck.

>>48154314
Oh boy here we go

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>>48154314
Then you're the one being a dick

>>48154339
>>48154381
Oh come on.

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>>48154400

>>48154400
I don't know what you expected the response to be, man

>>48154400

/tg/ gets triggered with Narset. She's a top tier commander, so of course you're going to get targeted.

>>48154443
Narset cant melt steel beams

>>48154169
Hey, at least it's not red white

>>48154494
You're right, she can make them disappear and throw them back in time to use them as a replacement for your mother's womb a week before you were born

>>48153883
There are always better things to get

>>48154494

No, no she can't. But she can ZA WARUDO and stall time long enough for several half-lives to take place. So she'll just decay steel beams instead

>>48154443
Narset is relatively inexpensive, fun, and strong. She has it all. /tg/ should stop complaining and git gud.

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>mfw I cracked the secret to making mono white good

Its ok guys mono red is now the worst

>>48154568
Purphoros wants a word with you

>>48154314
>Marath, Will of the Wild is added to the watchlist.
>Animar, Soul of Elements is added to the watchlist.
>Narset, Enlightened Master is added to the watchlist.
>Jenara, Asura of War is added to the watchlist.

When your commander is strong enough to get on the Duelcommander watchlist, you can expect people to immediately take offense to your presence on the board.

The thing is, your Commander is strong enough that you should be able to win through the hate. If you can't, you're not trying hard enough. If you're going to go all out with a high priority target commander, then fucking go all out or go home.

>>48154568
fuckin spill it nerd

>>48154507
RW is much better than RB though.

>>48154587
Purphoros can fucking suck my left nut. Might as well run krenko to at least show you are being faggot with sincerity

>>48150997
Is their land destruction in black and blue? I think I only know of 1 black card that does it.

>>48154568
>mono red is now the worst

So you're saying you've found a way to outperform Daretti?

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>>48151548
Always having access to your spells on the graveyard is quite useful.

>>48154132

>who is Marchesa

>>48154627
>Outperform Daretti

Wouldn't it only be truly groundbreaking to outperform godo instead? Daretti is easy to break

>>48154535
>fun

For the one playing her, maybe.

>>48154620
Black has Rain of Tears, Choking Sands, Desolation, Icequake and Sinkhole, along with Helldozer and probably some other stuff I can't remember right now.

Blue has a few cards that turn lands into Islands, which probably would work well when combined with Black's LD. Black has a little bit of that too with Contamination.

>>48154662
>Marchesa
>red/black

are you daft?

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>>48154663
pls no bully husbando

>>48154132
>>48154169
If you had to run a R/B commander, who would it be?

>>48154711
I'm not saying godo is shit, all I'm saying is mono red is the worst since I cracked the mono white formula

>>48154790
Tsabo Tavoc. Because no one else does.

>>48154820
Reveal your secrets, anon

Who is the commander

>>48154790
Old Rakdos for a cool Demon/Devil tribal but thats just me, it would be trash anyway.

The best RB commanders to choose from are: Olivia Voldaren, Grenzo, and Kaervek

Personally if I want something decent out of any of those three I'd go with Olivia Voldaren.

>>48154820
>since I cracked the mono white formula

You keep saying that, but what's the proof?

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>>48154834
Brimaz, King of Oreskos

>>48154790
Kaalia

>>48154879
>White Weenies
I envy your meta for that being able to work.

>>48154879
So... Cats? With all those "block additional creatures" effects?

>>48154930
Its not weenies

>>48154939
No block with additional creatures either but its close to it doesn't even run kemba

Honestly lads if you can't crack the formula from that you will be stuck forever

>>48154687
Dude hated on a card because RB was garbage, but it would fit great in Marchesa. Yes she isn't strictly RB, but to dismiss said card because RB itself is garbage isn't seeing a bigger picture.

>>48149821

>>48150904
No, use Angels and be the king of assholes. The effects on most are just stupid.

>>48155015
Nigga if you're not going to tell us and then be a big ole cunt when we guess it's on you fffffaggo

>>48155056
Equipment

>>48154879
What, skullclamp? Pft.

>>48155056
It involves alot of flicker, false prophet, and artifacts(most notably phyrexian vault but is not overly reliant on them), desu brimaz is only the commander until I get new gisela

>>48155088
Skullclamp is used in nearly every deck which is why I don't include it in the list

>>48155142
Just post your decklist.

>>48155198
I don't have it up on tappedout yet. Give me a few minutes

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>just bought the backbone of a stax deck and a Metalworker for less than $5
I think the store glitched out

>>48155271
Post the store

>>48155271
What store would that be?

>>48155334
>>48155339
Looks like they caught it and are fixing it, all the products they had listed aren't priced anymore

Bummer. I wanted that 5 cent Metalworker

>>48155438
You're a fucking liar.

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>>48155463
On God, anon

>>48155271
Craig plz no

>>48155485
>metal worker for 0.05
wtf is this?

>>48155519
Some about to get fucking fired maybe

http://blog.mtgprice.com/2016/07/05/an-interview-with-the-man-behind-the-buyouts/

All hail god emperor craig

>>48155581
He's a short-sighted dickhead living off a credit card

>>48155530
I'm definitely getting an email from the store tomorrow saying "H-hey we fucked up our pricing and are cancelling your order, pls buy again"

>>48155611
>hes a savvy businessman who making sure legacy dies a slow death because nobody can play it anymore
Fixd that for you, buy more standard - Mark

>>48155695
>savvy businessman
>trying to make a career out of buying pieces of cardboard
>while not having an actual job
Fuck Standard

>>48155485
>Trinisphere for a penny
>Metalworker for a NICKEL
What the fuck

>>48155581
As a legacy player, this hurts. Sure, my decks are worth more, but that doesn't mean JACK SHIT when I can't find anyone to play them against.

>>48154790
Rakdos, Lord of Riots into Eldrazi, if anyone is stupid enough to let you swing turn 4 and connect you flood the board with beaters and annihilate the next turn.

No real better place to ask this, so I kind of want to make a cube with the cards I have-- maybe buy a few keynote cards that flesh out the themes a bit. But I really don't know what themes and archetypes to add. Any suggestions?

>>48154568
Mono red was already the worst mono color in the format, white getting better somehow doesn't change that.

>>48155581
Wizards is never going to lift the RL, are they? Who are they even catering to with it anymore? I have never met a soul who is in favor of keeping the Reserved List.

Are they trying to kill eternal formats?

>>48155853
Just wait for Eternal Masters 2017 where they disband the reserved list and all hell breaks loose.

>>48155581
>I don't look at Magic as a game, I look at it as a business

What a moron. He's spending thousands of dollars for meager returns. Even with the Moat spike, he's only getting like 21K vs the 13K he spent, and over how much time? He could use that money to make an actual business, Christ.

>>48154591

There's nothing wrong with Jenara in multiplayer.

>>48155884

I honestly hope that no one buys his shit and he gets fucked in the ass.

>>48155853
The instant they break the RL they get swarmed by lawyers. People with significant money to spend have spent it on MtG and if WotC breaching the RL causes the cards they've spent so much money on to significantly depreciate in value, they can and will sue for it.

They can break it, assuming they're willing to pay off everyone who loses money from it, and the money they'll get back from breaking it won't even begin to cover how much they'll lose from doing that.

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>mfw craig works for jew city games causing people to wildly speculate on the entire reserve list causing them to sell all their shitty stock
>mfw jew city games "buys" all the reserve list cards from craig
>mfw jew city games control the format

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>>48155581
>never qualified for Pro Tour
>the pros ask me for advice

God this guy really is full of himself. Well too bad for him I'm one of the few legacy players who had this shit from the beginning

>>48155928
>Implying investors would have the social aptitude to convey their feeling to lawers in anything but memes and old sckool card quotes
>implying wizards couldnt just pay 12yo columbian kids to kill said investors in their homes
>implying they wont just scrap magic altogether and start a new game with the same cards Mtg2: electric boogaloo

>>48155926
I was going to buy a moat. But I don't pay scalper prices.

>>48156107
There is what 7 people in the world who play competitive edh? Just use a proxy shit even chinaman can make you a passable one for a few dorrah

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>>48155581
I am officially fucking triggered.

>>48154246

Doesn't seem bad to me, trinket Mage can find it, it's powerful as hell for 1 mana, but it's situational so I suppose in some metas it's dead

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>>48155581
>There’s a few things that I have my eye on; City of Traitors is one of those. Gaea’s Cradle also should be way more expensive than it is.

>check the price on urza lands

Fucking nigger

>>48155581
So much salt in the comments of that article the heart foundation removed their tick of approval

>>48155969
Show your work

>>48155581

Fucking short sighted kike. The day of the rope will come to mtg speculators too

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Any opinions on her? Any experiences? Am I a dick if I Evacuate and then Omniscience?

>>48156351
Ulamog into Worldfire-like card or whatever other. She's retarded.

>>48156058
Make all the jokes you want, but it's what it is. The threat and guarantee of legal action is what is preventing WotC from breaking the RL.

>>48156351
30% land
30% eldrazi
30% counterspells
9% boardwipes

>>48156351
I play her. Expect casuals to instantly assume you are the scariest thing on the board even with shit like Edric or Narset in the pod. Evacuate+Omniscience is hardly a dick move. Now Omniscience into Obliterate. That will make you enemies.

>>48156408
What are the best ways you've found to protect her, outside of the normal answers? How much or my deck space/ resources should I use to protect her. She seems like one of those generals that the deck works with or not at all

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>>48155581
Sounds to me like this guy just found a way to get by without getting a real job. Absolutely cancerous.

Also why is city of traitors so expensive when ancient tomb is so much better?

>>48156459
I generally don't. I normally wait till I have 5 mana available to cast her the first time and that's if I even have anything I deem worth suspending in hand. My deck is otherwise built to power to eight-ten mana as soon as possible to start hardcasting Obliterate/Decree of Annihilation so my opponent doesn't get three turns to react to it.

>>48156459
See
>>48156398
Counter everything

>>48155581
This limp wristed cuckold is ruining your favorite card game for a barely over minimum wage salary, and basically, you're fucking retarded.

Click here to become like him today!

>>48147616
I run this in Kaalia. Cheating in more dudes is always fun.

Speaking of which, how viable do you guys thing Brisela will be in a Kaalia deck?

>>48156525
>Also why is city of traitors so expensive when ancient tomb is so much better?

The Reserved List.

>>48156642
Bruna is great! Probably worth a slot regardless of the meld. Gisella is a solid French Vanilla Creature which is sadly not at all what Kaalia really wants. Not worth cheating in and I'm not certain Brisela is strong enough to warrant tutoring her out of the deck if you have the other half. Still she's only 1 of 99 cards so if you like her go for it.

>>48156642
Neither Gisela or Bruna are particularly good in Kaalia. Gisela is just a smaller Baneslayer (which is already eh in EDH) and Bruna's ability is a cast trigger.

I'm the guy who asked about heartstone. I'm so fucking sorry everyone

Looking to take the Howling Mine out of my krenko deck, any good suggestions for card draw in mono-red?

>>48155581
>I’ve gone through a lot personally recently —my mom committed suicide last year and I’ve had some other personal things happen to me that have been really rough — so to that there have been some terrible things said about me is hard.

He shamelessly throws his dead mother under that bus like that. It's all about him. That's scandalous. Fuck this cunt.

>>48156809
Welcome to the world of resale scalpers. Literally the scum of the Earth. On the same level as drug dealers.

>>48156773
You can't help the fact there will be belligerent retards on the internet. The question wasn't a problem, it was one of the people attempting to answer it.

>>48156804
You should try Outpost Siege. It either becomes a pseudo Phyrexian Arena or something to scare off Wraths.

>>48156848
I completely forgot Outpost Siege had a second mode.

>>48156819
HEY! My weed guy is one of the best people I know. Legit good person, volunteers and everything.

I will not see my weed guy slandered.

>>48156854
It barely needs it. Red is desperate for draw and Khans is a fair provider. Dragons is just icing on the cake, especially in a token deck.

>>48156848
I do have outpost siege in there for the dragons mode.
I currently have wheel of fate and Tormenting voices to help with card draw, is Tamiyo's Journal good for that?

>>48156809

I'D SUICIDE MYSELF TOO IF I WAS RELATED TO FAGGOT CRAIG

>>48156891
If you've got the mana to spend, Staff of Nin is fairly decent.

Reforge the Soul is also a good option, even if the Miracle forces your hand sometimes.

There's always the lazy man's answer, Sword of Fire and Ice.

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Need advice for my budget bird wizard

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/derevi-dirty-banties-1/

Less stax more etb i swap big bird out for roon for more casual games

>>48157121
>>>/d/

Is Sydri a strong commander?

>>48154064
That's like the only limitation.

I run Krosan Reclamation to shuffle it back in in case I have to actually cast it.

>>48154665
yes. that's how every card except phelddagrif works.

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>>48157373
This isn't fun for everyone?

I won multiplayer games but man do none of my decks hold up in 1v1s I miss Titania, I wanna build her again but sold the lands and now their just going up. Ancient tomb was $10 a few months ago fuck man.

>>48155928
>muh law suit myth

The reserved list is simply a list and not a legally binding contract. You fucking idiots need to stop pushing this myth.

>>48153494
Wrong. You control the trigger and you cant sac stuff that aint yours

>>48157154
Not really.

>>48151125
Sliver Queen THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST.
In a deck with only 3 slivers, Psionic Sliver, Basal Sliver and Necrotic Sliver

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>>48157097

HAPPENING

>>48158846
Godammit. I bet that card is gonna be $30 for preorder.

>>48153494
>>48158601 <-he's right you know.

>>48155928
>The instant they break the RL they get swarmed by lawyers
How? It's a list, nothing more. "Guys we won't reprint these" was a decision they made 20 years ago after a reprint fiasco, and I don't think Wizards expected to be around for another year at the time, let alone 2 decades.

Honestly, if they knew what was good for the game, they'd get rid of it and slowly reprint stuff from it

>>48154790
I already run Bladewing the Risen

>>48158846
>enchantments don't get flash

welp

For everyone complaining about the buyout:
magiccardmarket.eu
The prices there haven't changed.

>>48159263
>>48159263
NEW THREAD

>>48159233
do they ship to the US?

>>48159233
Kek. They have.

>>48159283
Gaea's Cradle in good condition is 100-120 Euros.

>>48159320
Not from an outstanding seller. Serra's Sanctum and City of Traitors have risen as well.