MtG Spoilers

So i guess prowess is the new U/R evergreen?

Will U/R prowess become tier 1 standard?

>>48143048
>When ~ enters the battlefield discard your hand and draw three cards.
>draw three cards

Welp modern delver is suddenly a thing again.

>>48143091
This and Sin Prodder is kind of cute

Lack of playable burn or cantrips is kind of damning

>>48143091
It can make a good U/R deck into a great U/R deck. But I don't think U/R has the tools to be even a semi-decent deck in standard.

>So i guess prowess is the new U/R evergreen?
Ever since Origins, yeah

>>48143123
Slip through space is fun

Expedite can be useful as a cantrip and on creatures that don't have haste inherently and can work as a cheap prowess trigger

>>48143115
I'm expecting a preemptive ban in Modern, ala Treasure Cruise.

>>48143048

I think this is more of a Burn card than Delver one. The fact that you can, essentially, draw 3 cards for RR on turn.


3/4 Prowess is a decent body for Modern, but it loses to many of the staple big creatures, unless your prowess it twice or so.

>>48143292
Delver doesn't really care about the body, it only cares about the discard hand draw three etb ability.

This thing is literally a walking treasure cruise for two red, with the added benefit of complementing snapcaster mage shenanigans, its going to see play in delver because it basically gives delver a fresh hand on turn 4 and onwards.

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>>48143351
>>48143292


>Devil Horror
>Thing in the Ice doesn't hit it.

Not sure if a good or a bad thing.

>>48143351
Lavamancer gets Modern play, right? I'm sure he and this devil will be great friends.

>>48143400
Put it in the same deck as TITI :^)

This will get banned so fast it's not even funny. Oh, and it doesn't even die to bolt BEFORE prowess. And it doesn't delve. Hahahaha.

>>48143400
Thing in the ice doesn't hold a candle to the amount of value young pyromancer generates.

Think the last mythic will be the Ospid Horror?

>>48143505
>shit mythic
I'm okay with it.

>>48143505
Discard Emrakul.dec? Maybe as a 1 of in Tron?

>>48143505

Ehhhhh.......

>can't target players
>sorcery speed

why even bother print the card if development will fucking defang it of any value.

>>48143523
Stuffy doll

>>48143523
>creatures and/or planeswalkers

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OPINION?

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>>48143505
>creatures/planeswalkers
>not players

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>>48143514

>nigger vampire dressed in white

>>48143538
Fuck, rtfc indeed

>>48143532

Boros Reckoner might be better

>>48143542
IT'S GOOD

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>>48143551
>Look ma, I said nigger!

>>48143530
>Instant speed
>Can target players

Okay, let's see...

>turn 3 pass
>opponent plays on tempo with a 3-drop
>play your instant-speed player-targeting nahiri's wrath, discarding two emrakuls and targeting their face
gg no re

Is this a modern player's idea of balance?

>>48143542
>Opponent plays CoCo
>flash in this
>LOL DOOM BLADE XD
>CoCo activates anyway

>>48143514
>Read the text first
>eyes bulged out of my face in excitement
>see mana cost
Into the trash it goes.

>>48143542

>This
>Rattlechains
>Permeating Mass
>Selfless Soul

Standard spirit tribal confirmed

>>48143542
You can permanently exile the spell if you bounce the creature.

>>48143505
>Nahiri's wrath, discard useless shit to hit swans
>Swans draws you a fuckton of cards, repeat
>Effectively Draw x cards for 3

>>48143586
>I can't read

>>48143581
>>Selfless Soul
I think you mean "Selfcest Soul" anon

>>48143542

Looks pretty fucking good as it is.

Is there a way to deny the leave the battlefield effect and abuse it?

>>48143586
>When Spell Queller LEAVES the battlefield

>>48143542
Could be useful, looks like spirits will be a decent tempo deck overall.

Was interested in playing UW spirits actually but the best decks will probably spash green in for CoCo as usual.

>>48143595
>>48143599

Spell Queller enters, Trigger goes on stack to exile spell.

Bounce the creature in response, 2nd trigger goes on stack and resolves before the first trigger does.


Its just like Oblivion ring

>>48143542
>>48143586
>>48143595
Since the effect is in 2 different abilities, can't you bounce if with etb on the stack to exile for good ala O ring?

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>>48143542
>new toys for standard spirits

My Rattlechains is hard.

>>48143598
Purposefully block a Permeating Mass with it, any other effect that makes the creature lose its card text without making it leave the battlefield.

Other than that, can't think of any.

>>48143595
>>48143599
/tg/ being bad strikes again. You bounce it in response to the ETB trigger, fools.

>>48143595
>>48143599
2 lines of text.
You can stack the triggers

>>48143542
4x this and 4x reflector mages

fuck bant is going to be so annoying

>>48143514
>>48143505
>gatewatch see eldrazi "oh shit, we gotta stop it"
>nahiri and sorin both see eldrazi and just go "well, this place is gone to shit, better piss on the ashes."
I'm torn because this is clearly just an excuse to push the gatewatch as the designated good guys, but also it's really hard to side with the other walkers in this scenario.

>>48143542
At last an addition to my casual UW spirits modern deck

>>48143621
>>48143612
>4+CMC to exile a target spell with converted mana cost 4 or less.
Yeah, that seems like an awful combo.

>>48143639
Everybody knows the designated good guys are Gisa, Geralf, Lilliana and Ludevic. They're the ones who actually live on the plane and prefer it not be devoured by a cosmic eldritch horror.

>>48143091
How? It's never gonna happen when they don't want to print cheap cantrips or burn.

>>48143550
>I want a 2R burn spell that could easily OTK an opponent from 20!
Okay.

>>48143598
You can use Eldrazi to move the card from exile to the graveyard, or counter the 'leaves the battlefield' trigger with something like summary dismissal.

>>48143505
Why can't this this cost 1 red, would be strictly better Firestorm in Dredge.

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>>48143542

Do they interact the way I think they do?

>>48143683
I think you just answered your own question.

>>48143686
I don't know what you're thinking, but probably not.

>>48143686
1WUU
As an additional cost to cast COMBO, discard a card
Exile target spell with converted mana cost 4 or less
Put a 3/4 white and blue spirit creature with flying onto the battlefield

>>48143686
Yes, as stated earlier.

Spell Queller enters, Trigger goes on stack to exile spell.

Essence flux the creature in response, 2nd trigger goes on stack and resolves before the first trigger does. First trigger then resolves exiling a spell.

>>48143686

Permanently exiling? I think they do if you cast in response to the ETB trigger.

Just having a +1/+1 counter isn't very strong tho

>>48143675
What, you DON'T want to play Channel+Fireball in Standard?

Well guys, I've tried my hand at speculating for the first time, just bought a small pile of foil Drogskol Captains on TCG, wish me luck.

>>48143701
True but goddamn, I wish after years of rips, cages, DRSs and containment priests they could at least print some sideboard love.
Although I take my words back, it's not strictly better since it can't hit face, which is just about always needed vs RUG delver.

>>48143710
Technically, couldn't you use this to exile multiple spells as well? Assuming they play more than one, you could get the normal Ring style counter as it enters again.

>>48143686
>1WUU and two cards to exile a less-than-4CMC spell and put a 3/4 flying spirit on the battlefield at instant speed.

Okay, that's a little better, I'll admit.

>>48143686
If you cast essence flux in response with the etb trigger still on the stack, then yes, yes it does.

>>48143505
>T3 kill via Mogg Maniac

>>48143639
sorin did nothing wrong though

>>48143717
Only scrubs don't want to lose all the time to sweaty nerds from rich families who spent all their inheritance money on cardboard.

>>48143735

I guess this would only work if they castethe second spell as a response to something (either the first spell or Spell Queller itself) still on the stack?

>>48143735
Yeah. Mostly useful in multiplayer games. I could see this guy being fun in flicker EDH decks.

>>48143735
Assuming all those spells are <4CMC, you can exile spells as many times as you can blink, but the last one will only be temporary exiled as per the card's normal ability

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>>48143783
HYPE
Y
P
E

>>48143783
As close to FoF as we are going to get I suppose. Thank gods at least you get to pick the pile.

>>48143770
>>48143778
Yeah, though if its a counter spell I doubt it would resolve. Still a good thing to keep in mind, even if the last one is the more limited version.

>>48143792
>XX
I fucking hate spells with this cost

>>48143783
>another shitty version of an old good card

could they just fuck off? who wants to see good but balanced cards nerfed into garbage over and over again?

>>48143783
This is hilarious.

>>48143783
WHAT'S IN THE BOX?

>>48143792
This seems nice. It'll spawn a couple zombies and potentially kill something.

If you already have enough zombies out, its also possible to use it as a one mana kill spell.

>>48143792
Funny how this can be SB tech against zombies.dec to kill off one massive zombie

>>48143848
As always, black's greatest enemy is black itself.

>>48143505
>can't target players

Oh I see, so that's the direction red is taking. I was just thinking it would be OK to make a burn spell at mythic rarity that could target everything just to make for the shitty red neutering over the past year but no.

>>48143542
This card makes me want to drop entirely though. WB aggro just gets better

>>48143873
Just think about how that card would be if it could target players

>>48143783
Interesting concept. Sadly it's shit and just another overnerfed version of Fact or fiction

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>>48143831
It looks like a black version of pic related

>>48143873
if that card could target players it would be a blowout.

discard two emrakuls, deal 26 damage

>>48143598
Kill it before the exile effect resolves.

>>48143783
>oh man why did he put one card in the face-down pile it must be something great
>FACE DOWN PILE
>it's a fucking basic forest

>>48143598
Blink it while the exile trigger is on the stack.

>>48143873

>wanting discard emracool.dec

I too am a fan of interesting and interactive magic

>>48143916
Better get practicing your body language signals

>>48143613
Yes.

>>48143783
>>48143810
>>48143831
>"You can either get the shadowland and counterspell you need, or you can trade it all in for what's in this box."
>"The box, THE BOX!"

>>48143916
It's even more baffling considering I don't play any basic lands in this deck.

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>>48143916

>>48143646
nice backpedaling faggot.

And you're paying 4+ CMC to exile target spell and also have the spirit back in your hand to counter a second spell.

>>48143873
>Wanting it to target players.

You realize its an instant win if it could do that right? Discard your entire hand and you basically win the game if the opponent doesnt have a counter.

>>48143617
Sauce?

>>48143831

A SHARK OR SOMETHIN'?

>>48143957
Get a grip anon, it's 1130 AM. It's too early for a fap Isn't it?

>>48143916
Mind games anon
Fucking mind games

>>48143884
>>48143903
>>48143925
Ok you're right, I'm just upset.

>>48143972
never

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>>48143957

>>48143972
Anon, it is literally never too early for a fap. A quick fap between waking up and getting out of bed is the comfiest thing ever.

>People genuinely want Nahiri's Wrath to be able to target players.

Do you have any idea what sort of shit that would enable? How every format would suddenly devolve into a mess of 'nahiri's wrath turn 3, discard hand which includes an emrakul, good game"

>>48143598
there are q bunch of cards in standard right now that let you put a card from exile in it's owners graveyard.

>>48143542
>With Spectral Shepherd and 5 mana this basically turns into a repeatable exile target spell with CMC 4 or less

Sure it's a limited-only combo but I'm going to try to pull it off and ruin someone's day

>>48143952
Yeah. Especially in Red where you can easily wittle them down a bit beforehand so you don't even need the full 20.

Run a couple big cards and its basically assured.

>>48143972
It's never too early or too late for lewd.

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>>48143972
>. It's too early for a fap
FEMALE SPY SPOTTED.

Leave intruder

>>48143783
https://youtu.be/KezvwARhBIc?t=1m19s

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>>48143568
>getting offended by the word "nigger"
Nigger.

>>48143792
So this is how Lili kills Emmy

>>48143783
How badly I wish this card was reversed. and your opponent chose from piles you made.
>So, do I get to have these two counterspells?
>Or do I get
>THE BOX

>>48144107
In an actual game, Nahiri would play Emrakul, gain control of Lilliana for a turn and either cast it for 0 and blow up one of Lilli's own creatures, or get a load of zombambos herself

>>48144122
>How badly I wish this card was reversed. and your opponent chose from piles you made.
Biggest shitter ITT. Your opponent choosing is what makes cards like this bad.

>>48144131
>Nahiri plays emrakul
>Liliana madness what she can, and discards anything Nahiri can use against her
>Nahiri can't do anything in Liliana's turn, it is actually better for Liliana, since she more than doubles her zombies on her upkeep due to her ult
>Liliana second turn, she draws Dark Salvation, takes Emrakul out of the game with Dark Salvation and goes for gg with an army of zombies

>>48144152

I don't think it matters as much with this card because of the face down pile. Both players are trying to Vizzini eachother no matter who chooses

>>48144152
>Biggest shitter ITT. Your opponent choosing is what makes cards like this bad.
Do you know WHY those cards are bad though anon? Because they have full info of what they're chosing between. The reason Fact or Fiction is good is because the other player has no idea how to place the piles well because they don't have constant info of your hand.

The actual version of this card is even WORSE than ones where your opponent picks, because your opponent can game you with hidden information.

No idea why you're even calling me out on being a shitter. The card is LITERALLY unplayable as is, might as well have made it fun and let you mind-game your opponent.

>>48144104
I'm not offended, faggot. Keep your polshit where it belongs is all.

>>48144191
You sacrifice card advantage for letting your opponent mind-game you

>>48143673
We just got this and Expedite in Standard though, which are pretty damn good cantrips.

>>48144218
>You sacrifice card advantage for letting your opponent mind-game you
Is this a statement about the proper version of the card? I said in that very post it's shit because your opponent will try to mind game you. Making them pick gives YOU the power, because you have the info of what's in the hidden pile.

>>48143048
Kaladesh better have shock

>>48143821
>good but balanced

Surely you're not talking about Fact or Fiction. Surely you're not talking about the source of the acronym, "EOTFOFYL", being "balanced."

"End of turn, Fact or Fiction, you lose."

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>>48144242
"This" being pic related.

>>48143686
Am I the one that gets to ruin the fun? I am, aren't I? Using this card won't do what you want with exiling the spell permanently.
>it has two separate triggers, though!
Yes, but neither are may triggers. Let's walk through what happens with this card specifically. Opponent casts let's say abrupt decay. You respond with ghost guy and target abrupt decay with him. Holding priority you then cast blue cloudshift targeting ghost guy. It exiles him and then he immediately comes back with a counter. Then, his leaves the battlefield and enters the battlefield abilities trigger. You have to target abrupt decay with enter and leaves references nothing so nothing happens. If ghost guy dies after decay gets exiled, they get to cast it. If you just bounce him to your hand or kill him then your idea works, but not like this.

>>48143542
I was already staying out of standard thanks to CoCo so I guess one more set

>>48144191
Your opponent still doesn't know what's in your hand when making thr piles here. This card is a somewhat better Inspiration, unless you let yourself get played and pick a facedown land vs a pile of 3 every time. Not amazing, but possibly good enough for some niche play.

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>>48143542
;)

>>48144214
>saying "nigger" is now considered /pol/.
Yeah, no, you stop wanting to politicize everything.

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>>48144285
That's why this is better

>2WUU, exile target spell with CMC 4 or less

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>>48143848
>>48143867
Reminds of this little shit.

>hey time to design another zombie card
>let's help the tribe by making it fuck itself

>>48144242
>>48144276
I want card selection though

>>48144285
I was literally just about to write this.

Yeah, blinking it does nothing because of how the card works. There's no way they printed Essence Flux and Long Road Home and didn't think about how this card interacted with them.

>>48144311
That works perfectly. Spooky ghost deck is a go.

>>48143551
is there ANYTHING jaden smith cant ruin?

>>48143048
>they're phasing out Fat Packs for Bundle Packs
>because "fat" is considered a derogatory word
I fucking hate this game.

>>48143514
That art is screaming INNISTRAD ASCENDANCY

Don't reply to the bait.

>>48143783
Isn't hiding half the cards enough of a downside? Couldn't they have made this 5 cards and not 4?

Come on you damn jews, throw me a bone over here.

>>48144358
what?

>>48143792
I'd rather have XBBBB or something like that.
It's going into my Zombie EDH anyway, because I love the flavor (and Gisa's here to spawn shitloads of Zombs).

>>48144371
Which one?

>>48144379
>https://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/introducing-planeswalker-decks-bundle
>Eldritch Moon will be the last set that includes a Fat Pack.

>>48144375
the problem with five is unless the face up pile has something you absolutely need, you can just take the bigger pile for free card advantage without even questioning it. this way your opponent can at least 2-2 split leaving you no easy mode choice.

>>48144214
Nigger

>>48144314
>Card selection
>on cantrips
>in NWO magic
Sure you can have card selection cantrips, but you're going to have to play green creature decks.

>>48144285
>>48144329
You're wrong, because of how the game deals with creatures leaving the battlefield. I think the right term might be something like 'instances'? Point is, by the time the spells gets exiled the return ability that would give it back is tied to a separate 'instance' of the spirit. One that isn't on the battlefield so therefore it will never leave it.

>>48144395
Arent they just being renamed to bundle or some shit and having thier price jacked up?

>>48144313
They should make an elf that prevents creatures from using mana abilities.

>>48144381
As the preview article points out, you can use this card to just kill a creature for B if you already have a board. Your version doesn't allow that, and yours don't even net more zombies than the printed version until 8+ mana.

>>48144358
>extra booster
Why are you whining?

>>48144433
And a merfolk that prevents you from winning the game.

>>48144431
Then why bother rebranding them as Bundle at all?

>>48144425
But the spell is actually exiled by that second instance. The first exile trigger won't work because you can't let it go off.

>>48144285
>>48144329
>>48144425
To follow up, check the wording here on field hunter
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=409587
Same wording and it does like expected, exiling forever.

>>48144448
It's mtg anon, you whine about everything even when they give you $100 foil lottery in packs.

>>48144436
Yeah you're right actually.
XX feels more restrictive, but it's probably only just that, a feeling.

>>48144425
but there's also a new exile trigger on top of the return and original exile trigger, so unless there's a second spell on the stack you still have to exile your original choice, making the blink moot. this works better with o-ring because there are generally more than one permanent in play at a time

>>48144425
>You're wrong
Nope. Let's go through the stack one step at a time.

>Collected Company

Flash in Spell Queller.

>SQ's ETB trigger, targeting Collected Company
>Collected Company

Essence Flux Spell Queller. The "new" Spell Queller's trigger will be labeled SQ2; the original's will be SQ1.

>SQ1's "leaves the battlefield trigger"
>SQ2's ETB trigger, targeting Collected Company
>Collected Company

SQ1's LTB trigger resolves and does nothing. SQ2's ETB trigger resolves and exiles Collected Company. When SQ2 leaves the battlefield, your opponent gets to cast Collected Company.

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>>48144462
>>48144463
IGNORE ME I AM THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SHITTER
Why the fuck is it not a may clause.
That said it CAN still do a fiend-hunter style effect if there is another spell to target.

>>48144464
>$100 foil in lottery in packs
I complained then because it was the only way they could sell that steaming piece of shit that called itself a block.

>>48144451
>>48144433
>>48144313
How about this creature:
Anon - 2
Creature 1/1
All creatures in library, hand, graveyard, and battlefield loses all its types.

>>48144453
Because why produce product only some players like when you make crap no one wants to buy.

>>48144389
HAHA! You took it!
Rused!

>>48144453
"Fat Pack" is a stupid, meaningless name that doesn't remotely convey what the product is.

>>48144526
but "Bundle" is concise and descriptive

>>48144485
Basically this. It only 'works' on a rare chance that there's 2 spells on the stack.
Well, not that rare, but it certainly won't work most of the time.

>>48144498
That could actually have been an Onslaught card.

>>48144545
"Bundle" is a much more common marketing word than "fat pack." People know what that means.

>>48144545
It's to prevent murrikans into thinking it means magic boosters plus free cheeseburger.

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>>48143505
>U/R prowess
>have some madness shit in hand
>cast this
>cast the madness shit
>a shitton of prowess triggers
>clear board
>swing for legal

breddy gud

>>48144575
>Bursters
I'd fucking do it, sell burger bundled with MtG packs

>>48144594
Must be nice having infinite mana.

>>48144560
And RUG was self explanatory for anyone who has played 10 minutes of magic.

Yet here we are with WOTC calling the decks Temur now.

>>48144611
WUBRG doesn't mean shit for a non-english speaker unless they played a good amount of time

>>48144611
People have no problem saying "Bant," "Esper," etc. This will be the same.

You're just bitching for the sake of bitching.

>>48144448
is it still $40?

>>48144610
Assuming the madness shit is cheap, you aren't gonna be spending a lot to do it I'd say

>Fiery Temper
>Avacyn's Judgement
>Just the Wind

and besides, if you're pitching a lot and dealing a lot to their board anyways, you're still in a really good position. Madness just makes it extra spicy.

>>48143783
Rip sleeves

>>48144649
No, $43
$3 for one more pack

>>48144653
>discarding Avacyn's Judgement to this
lel that's already 4RR at minimum for just two more damage.

>>48144643
>People have no problem saying "Bant," "Esper," etc
Untrue, WotC stopped using them for standard lists when they stream for a long ass time.

>>48143048
is that flamelurker?

>>48144694
Hey man, a clear board's a clear board and if doing so would advance my board state and chance of victory then what the fuck does it matter?

It's not an end-all mythic but I feel like it can be potentially lethal in the right build.

>>48144728
They use those terms in coverage to this day.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptsoi/top-8-decklists-2016-04-23

>Bant Company, Esper Control, Esper Dragons

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppit16/top-8-decklists-2016-06-26

>Bant Company, Bant Humans

What they don't do is use the Ravnica guild names for two-color decks.

>>48143571
They could still make it one or the other. Make it instant but creatures/Planeswalkers only or make it a sorcery that can target face.

>>48144784
>instant but creatures/Planeswalkers only
Seems like the less busted of the two options. I think they could have done that.

>>48144784
even if it was a sorcery that could target players it would still be bonkers.

Pay 3 mana to discard my hand and deal emrakuls of damage.


games would all boil down to, counter my turn 3 play or lose.

>>48144796
I agree, having it as sorcery but able to hit face could still be a problem. They could fix it with another restriction, but at that point you might as well pick the simpler option.

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>yfw based Ramsay Bolton has come to MTG to trigger the tumblrinas

>>48143542
Let's say he enters on turn 5 and exiles a coco. Turn 7 he's returned to your hand for whatever reason, so coco is going to be cast for free. Could you flash him back in and re-exile the coco that is about to be cast for free?

>>48144837
Unless they bounced it with a Reflector Mage, then yes, you can exile the spell again.

>>48144837
Yes.

>>48144819
It's funny that you bring this up because he actually flays Nahiri after she's wounded from fighting Sorin.

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>>48144857
>Nahiri got murdered by a crazy hobo at the end of the story
I really want to believe.

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>>48144857

excellent

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>>48144819
Ooh baby

For fuck's sake, the BW enchantment is uncommon. BW rare WHEN, Wizards?

>>48144943
Anguished Unmaking

>>48144943
Ghost Council of Orzhova

>>48144267
Fact or Fiction is perfectly balanced. EOTFOFYL requires a crazy amount of skill to pull off. Just because it can win games doesn't mean it's not balanced. Unbalanced cards are shit that win games but don't require any thought or skill.
I bet you're one of those players that casts brainstorm on your turn 1.

>>48144953
Of course I meant from Eldritch Moon.

>>48144686
>$45.99 in my area

Damn you to hell sales tax

>>48144285

Shouldn't it be able to exile two spells then, when it comes back from exile I get another proc of the enters the battlefield effect after the first leaves the battlefield effect triggers.

Am I missing something.

>>48145027

>>48144485

>>48143542
Ya know what's funny?

This fucks counter spells in the ass

>>48145038
So... No. It can't.

>>48144495
Kamigawa?

>>48145038
Good, now I will fuck Monoblue Prison with my Future UW spirit deck

>>48145079
It can do whatever the thread is arguing about (exiling a spell permanently) only if there are two or more spells on the stack.
In that case, the result will be one spell exiled permanently and one spell exiled until it leaves the battlefield.

>>48143542

so, your opponent can only play the spell right after Spell Queller leaves the battlefield,right?

How does this work with exiled creature spells when Spell Queller leaves in a phase that isn't my opponent's main phase?

>>48145129
The trick is to cast it after casting a spell you own that you would lose to a counter then exile the counter then bounce it then exile the spell then kill the creature then cast the spell exiled for free.

>>48143542
This won't ever see any play in modern just because if Mana leak and other great cheap counters

>>48145193
They get to play their creature whenever they get it back.

>>48145193
The ability specifically says they can cast it, this lets them cast it whenever.

>>48145199
You're probably not going to spend up to three cards just to save one spell from being countered.

>>48144971
>not brainstorming turn 1 in response to Thoughtseize to protect your game plan

I brainstorm defensively. How do YOU brainstorm?

>>48144214
Go back to le Reddit

>>48144902
>murder hobo
So he is the MC of the story?

>>48145243

oh, I thought the "when Spell Queller leaves the battlefield" means that my opponent has to play the spell within that phase and can't play it afterwards

>>48145263
>implying that's what I was trying to do and not buy time to come up with a plan to devastate my opponent
Do you even play at competitive level

>>48145199
Why the fuck do that when you can just exile the counterspell, which will normally fizzle when you dude dies?

>>48145306
>>48145243

oh fuck nvm, can't read today

>>48145306
No, it does. It lets them ignore timing restrictions on the spell for a one-time-only SPECIAL OFFER never to be repeated deal, to cast their spell FREE OF CHARGE!!!

>>48145306
They play it immediately, as part of the ability resolving. Timing restrictions do not apply.

>>48145306
By "whenever," that person meant that the ability of Spell Queller lets them ignore the normal timing rules for casting the spell, not that they get to cast it at some later time.

>>48143895
You mean Mox Jet?

>>48145314
Don't bother joining the discussion if you don't understand the basic mechanics.

>>48145359
Did you read the thread? The post that was in response to is about jumping through assinine hoops for little to no benefit. Yes, you could permanently exile their counterspell and recast you own spell for free by stacking triggers with a flicker effect and a sac outlet. But why? If you have a sac outlet anyway you can permanently exile their spell without bothering with the flicker, or, since it is a counterspell in the cited example, it will often not have any targets on the stack when Queller dies anyway, unless they use instant speed removal in response to you casting a spell.

>>48144819
God this guy is spicy flavor in a gitgud deck

>>48145499
Doesn't justify the mythic rarity though.

>>48145270
I brainstorm after having more information such as a top, or a fetch because blind brainstorming is usually a bad idea because you're basically redrawing your two worst cards. I will concede a defensive brainstorm in response to a thoughtsieze isn't necessarily a bad idea though. But more times than not brainstorm is only good when you have more information that on your very first turn.

>>48144214
> nigger is polshit

Lad this is 4chan.

>>48144214
>nigger
>/pol/

Fuckin newfags man

Permeating Mass seems like a card you sideboard in draft for game two after taking 40 minutes to finish game one and just stall everything forever.

>>48143505
This is actually a great way to lower chaos reveler's cost early in the game, and there's a bunch of cards that are good discard target in this sets like fiery temper and take inventory. Hard to say if it will actually perform well but I'm gonna try

>>48143048
>we knew Cruise was an error
>so we put it on a beatstick
Never gonna learn.

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>>48145542
You. I like you.
You should have this shirt, and revel in brainstorming right.

>>48145761
It's red so it's fine

>>48143048
Why does this have prowess instead of haste

Whyyyy

>>48144971
>YOU CAN BRAINSTORM WRONG!?

>>48143639

Nahiri is the villain, of course you're not fucking supposed to side with her.

>>48145830
Because then it would have been a 40-60$ card instead of a 20-30$ one.

>>48145941

She's not a villain, she's a victim of circumstance, at least, thats how the writers are gonna set her up as. fuck this shit

>>48145979
Did you even read today's story? She comes off as a vindictive bitch.

>>48146032

so was nissa

>>48145979
Dude, every villain nowadays needs a justification behind their acts. We can't have a pure evil bbeg anymore.

>>48143250
>preemptive ban
You don't remember the best two months in the history of modern?

>>48145976
Hell if it was blue, had both haste and prowess, it would easily be 80$+.

>>48145814
It is double red and only works off instants and sorceries in addition to nuking your hand first. The card isn't bad but it isn't treasure cruise for fucks sake.

>>48146097
It is in delver.

>>48143617
>>48143990
Please tell me where those are from anon. Tineye and google won't tell me.

>>48144642
And if you haven't played during Khans Termur won't mean shit to you. New players always need to learn something. And just memorizing 5 letters (and except for blue it's always that colors first letter) that then can be combined is easier than memorizing 5 Clans from Khans and 5 Shards from Alara.
And I'm more familiar with WUBRG than the shards, and even the Clans names and colors have somewhat faded from my memory by now. Non-english player here by the way.

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This just in

>>48146234
The noose is loose!

>>48146234
Delirium enabler? Pitch a land or something so you can get that 4 card count?

>>48146234
>snek
>no deathtouch
fake snek

>>48146234
Decent mongrel wannabe. Shame we have no good madness cards printed yet

>>48146234
The noose is loose, let loose the juice on the moose, cut down the spruce and shoot the ma deuce, and sigh a truce with Zeus.

>>48146234
>enables delirium
>enables madness
>great body
>relevant ability
>pumps self

10/10 uncommon

High pick

>>48146282
It clearly isn't a venomous snake.

So are we ready with the coming of superfriends decks?

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>>48146066

>>48146234
Actually not a bad card. Its good Flying hate and can enable Madness and Delirium at instant speed for no cost.

Maybe Jund Madness / Delirium will end up being a thing.

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>>48146234
Which is better /tg/.

Loosey Noosey or zombie infestation?

>>48146363
>Tibalt will end up being a lol so randumb mashup of Joker and Deadpool

Screencap this post

>>48146363
Tibalt was a great idea executed very poorly.

>>48146234
Bear with nice upsides. Solid card.

>>48146363
And see how fast he gets 'rotated out' and kicked around like a bitch.

>>48146407
How so?
Seriously curious.

>>48146363
I like how his main weapon is a fucking prison shiv

Like, he doesn't even try with a hand crossbow or something subtle. The devils behind him are going to rush forward into battle against whatever / whomever he's fighting right now and while they're distracting / pinning / grappling them he'll just shank them between the ribs and keep strolling forward, laughing his disturbing laugh while looking dapper as fuck

>>48146448
>The devils behind him are going to rush forward into battle against whatever / whomever he's fighting right now and while they're distracting / pinning / grappling them he'll just shank them between the ribs and keep strolling forward, laughing his disturbing laugh while looking dapper as fuck

"Nothing personal kid."

>>48146400
Loosey noosey can work well if you only have one madness card in hand or the mana for only one madness casting.

>>48146465
>personal

Get the fuck out

>>48143505
This is EDH fodder and I'm super okay with it. The art also looks cool. Probably also fits in some Madness decks, ironically. Discard your hand, pay the Madness costs, and then swing out because you've taken out their field.

Nowhere near as good as I thought, but that'd have been broken. Well, still, you can probably take out some blockers and pave the way for Madness creatures.

>>48143639
They're literally just two players having a spat because Sorin targeted Nahiri on turn three in an EDH game.

>>48146146
It's called Cat head Imako. This is most of it http://exhentai.org/g/519816/23785c55b3/

>>48146406
I'd be okay with a Joker-y Tibalt. Not so much a 4th wall breaking bad Deadpool ripoff.

>>48146436
Yeah. But he is still a villain with no motivation beside enjoying being a cunt.

>>48146363
Wasn't his main motivation frustration at his own incompetence?

>>48146400
Definitely Noosey. Its a creature, so it has immediate battlefield presence and you can have several copies in ypur hand without them being dead cards, doesn't need you to discard to be relevant and when you do you can discard one by one, so you can select exactly what you want to discard, while Zombie Infestation might make you discard something you'd rather keep in your hand.

Really, the only way I could see Zombie Infestation being more efficient and thus "better" than Noosey is in very dedicated graveyard decks, but even then I'd rather run the Snake for the flying hate.

>>48146505
I think it was this + discovering he's actually pretty good at being an asshole.

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>>48146496
Thank you. Here have some choclate.

>>48146496
>[spoonfeeding intesifies]
Alright here's a hint: either read only the first chapter and ignore the rest or read the whole thing. Don't drop it halfway through. You will know what I mean when you get there.

>>48146541
I've read it all already. I used to have it on my old laptop till it burst into flames on my lap

>>48146400
Noosey is better 9 times out of 10. Because while it dies to removal, it also has some board presence of its own. Infestation doesn't.

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How can I abuse having tons of these on the board? Or how can I even get there in the first place? I was thinking about fight spells, but they don't cause combat damage. Alpha status and Coat of Arms/Door of Destinies will work pretty well.

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Sooo would it be safe to say that Mindwrack Demon would be a good buy right now?

>>48146505
lulz

At least that's how the fandom perceives him

Honestly the backstory we have on Tibalt is barebones. He was an apprentice stitcher but was too clumsy to make proper Skaabs. Instead of working on Skaabs he started working on humans, experimenting with pain tresholds and shit. Somehow devils noticed this and started hanging out at his place, giving him ideas. He slowly became madder and better at inflicting pain. Inquisition kicked the door in, he used some ancient devil spell, became half devil and ignited the spark. Then at one point he came back to Innistrad to torture the people a bit (seriously that was all we found out) and Sorin slapped him around for a while (not sure how that turned out but I assume Sorin won)

Obviously, Tibalt is a huge blank sheet, but if Wizards creative / writing team is only pretending to be incompetent, I can see him becoming an interesting, noteworthy character without resorting to ripping off Joker or Deadpool.

On Innistrad, devils are characterised as sadistic, crafty and stupid, much like goblins. It's also worth noting that they're bossed around by demons. I would totally be up for Tibalt who is a squire or a manservant of Ob Nixilis, being the Bladrick to his Blackadder.

>>48143613
Bouncing, killing or exiling, yeah. Blinking, however, is is irrelevant and the spell will stay exiled within the creature anyway UNLESS there are two spells on the stack for some reason.

>SPELL is cast
>Cast spirit dude
>Spirit ETBs (ETB1)
>Bounce
>LTB triggers (LTB1 > ETB1)
>ETBs again (ETB2 > LTB1 > ETB1)
>Have to target that one spell with ETB2
>Spell exiled within Spell Queller
>LTB1 and ETB1 resolve and do nothing

>>48146586
Assault Formation.

>>48146253
>>48146400
>>48146472
>>48146510
>>48146571
I swear to god if I hear loosey noosey being used to refer to the snake in prerelease I'm going to blame it on you guys.

>>48146586
Find a way to give them first strike and +2/0.

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>>48143748
i always thought this was kind of stupid. Regardless of you doing it in response to a triggered ability, how does that affect the outcome of his second ability? he still leaves the battlefield.

>>48146586
I was thinking of a deck with these, and running stoneforge masterwork.

>>48146640
>but I assume Sorin won
Considering that Sorin never talked about Tibalt even once in any flavor text, i assume it's a major asskicking for Tibalt and something akin of swatting flies for Sorin.

>>48146672
its based on how the stack works.

Top of stack

Bottom of stack

>>48146708
>Hahahahaha, so you're the self-appointed protector of this little, insignificant plane, huh? Well look at wh-
>slap
>Wait I'm-
>slapslapslap

>>48146672
Think of it as a box.
When you put the box on the table, you hide something inside. When the box leaves the table, you get it back.
What you're doing it that you take the box off the table before putting it on it.

>>48146672
He leaves the battlefield before the spell is exiled, and the leaves the battlefield ability can't do anything with a spell that isn't within its reach yet.

>>48146586
Its good in stompy decks as a sort of removal
Were it a 1/2 it would be great in legacy 10-land

>>48146708
Its almost like Tibalt got caught with a sudden and fatal case of being-in-the-way-of-a-millennia-old-vampire.

>>48146541
>spoonfeeding
Anon, I said I already tried tineye and google reverse search. Both with no usable results.
Thanks for the hint though, appreciate it.

>>48146690
Thinking Peregrine Mask at the moment. I'm just looking for an effective way to get as many of these onto the board as possible for maximum funtimes. At higher cmc's, Infinite Reflections and Progenitor Mimic could be fun.

>>48146716
>>48146672
sorry hit submit by accident. its all based on the stack, and resolution order

Long boring example

Opponent casts spell A, in response you flash in your creature triggering the first ability and put it on the stack


Top of stack
Spell queller enter trigger
Spell A
Bottom


Before the trigger can resolve, both you and the opponent can cast instants, so lets say you use any sort of spell to bounce spell queller back to your hand

Top of stack
Bounce spell
Sell queller enter trigger
spell A
bottom


Nobody plays anything else allowing the bounce to resolve. This causes the 2nd ability to trigger and go on the stack.


The stack now looks like this

Top
Spell Queller leaving trigger
spell queller enter trigger
spell A
bottom
The next thing that has to resolve (because of stack order) is the leaving the field trigger. It resolves, but with no cards exiled nothing happens.

Stack now looks like this

Top
spell queller enter trigger
spell A
bottom


Spell quellers trigger enter trigger finally resolves exiling Spell A and emptying the stack.

>>48143937
>"YOU GET LANDS! YOU SO STUPID"

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knew snek

>>48146640
>Tibalt as Baldrick and Ob Nix as Blackadder

I'd pay to see this

>>48146440
Sorry anon, maybe I'll explain in depth some other time I'm not hungry.

Let's just say that a devil planeswalker was a good idea because Devils are a rare tribe and thus there would be a point to having a recurring character of that race that would give us insight of what devils are truly like, their customs and their similarities and differences with demons.

Tibalt is not just a devil though, he is a reject and a failure academically-speaking, which is a trait that gives him character since he's full of shortcomings and its their faults which make a character interesting and endearing.

On the technical department, two-mana walkers are very innovative and though Tibalt is shitty that doesn't mean 2cmc walkers need to be shit.

However, the way WotC handled him, making him the designated bad guy and how we got cockblocked in his fight vs Sorin plus a terrible card did ruin him.

I wouldn't be opposed at all to see Tibalt again though. He would probably make a more entertaining red than those boring Mary Sues of the Gatewatch.

>>48146859
>>48146234
fuck i'm a slow idiot retard

>>48146672
First in, last out.

When Spell Queller first enters the battlefield, you cast Essence Flux in response to it's ETB trigger. Essence Flux is on the stack first, so it exiles Spell Queller (then returns it immediately with a +1/+1 counter). Since each instance of a permanent is not tied to its actual physical card, we'll call these SQα and SQβ, unless 4chan won't display Greek characters.

SQα's ETB trigger still has not gone off, but now that it's left the battlefield, the second trigger goes off. Meanwhile, SQβ's first ability goes on the stack. You can place these however you like, it doesn't matter. We'll put it like this:
>SQα second ability
>SQβ first ability
>SQα first ability

SQα's second trigger is AT THE TOP OF THE STACK. It goes off, and the spell exiled by SQα is cast. There IS NO SPELL EXILED though, so nothing happens.

SQβ is a SEPARATE INSTANCE of Spell Queller, despite being the same physical card. It can exile a second spell, if the opponent was casting more than one spell. This was really just to highlight that other than the physical card, it has NOTHING IN COMMON WITH SQα

Now everything ABOVE IT ON THE STACK is cleared out, so SQα's first ability will trigger and the spell that was targetting will be exiled. SQα is no longer on the battlefield, but the ability remains. The analogy I've found useful is this: "If you throw a grenade and get shot, the grenade still goes off".

>>48146234
Considering colour change is nearing obsolete nowdays, trading it for reach seems like a good deal. For all intents and purposes this is the new mongrel.

>>48146746
Why does the extra toughness make it bad tho?

>>48146234
Will they ever learn? Next we'll see another madness 0.

>>48146883
>typing this much and being wrong

>>48146915
Because it turns enemies it blocks into copies of itself which now have an extra toughness

>>48146883
So Essence Flux won't ever let you exile a spell permanently if there's only one spell on the stack, because SQβ's ETB trigger will always resolve first and stick the only legal target under it?

>>48146946
essence flux wont, but any spell that bounces, or exiles for a longer period of time (until endstep) can

>>48146946
No. Triggered effects are placed on the stack when state-based actions are checked (and there is no checking of state-based actions during the resolution of effects, only before and after). Since Essence Flux' leaving-and-entering happens in one step, without checking state-based actions, both the leave trigger and enter trigger are put on stack at the same time - and because of that, YOU get to choose the order in which they resolve.

>>48146875
It is ok anon.

>>48143686
>>48143542


So I get essence flux wouldn't work to permanently exile the spell,unless there are 2 cards on the stack.

But wouldn't long road home work if you cast it before the ETB effect resolves, and you'd permanently exile that card, and gain a +1/1 counter?

>>48144191
>The card is LITERALLY unplayable
And then in a month it turns out it's in every blue standard deck.

>>48146960
You answered it while I was typing, thanks.

>>48146981

>>48146863
Me too, but only if the SCIENCE crew were part of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kN87BwWkTM

>>48146930
>>48146946
>>48146981
I feel I answered the wrong question. Maybe I should have slept longer. >>48146969 is right. I was focusing on why SQα still goes off and treating SQβ as an after thought.

>>48146969
I mean, SQβ's ETB will always resolve before SQα's if you flicker your SQ, because SQα's ETB ability hits the stack before you get your chance to flicker it. Doesn't matter how you stack the other triggers - SQβ's ETB will ALWAYS be the top ETB and will stick the only legal target (your opponent's spell) underneath SQβ, with an LTB trigger yet to go off.

>>48147047
>>48147028
Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, the exiled spell will still be subject to the leaves-the-battlefield clause because the LTB effect tied to the permanent whose ETB exiled the spell hasn't resolved yet

I was too busy considering how abilities were stacked to think what was actually asked

>>48146234
10/10 draft card

>>48147096
Cool. So I'll take their Coco, then Essence Flux it when they're tapped out and I have countermagic instead.

>>48146097
>Out of gas on turn 4 in burn? Let's give you three more bolts without splashing a color

>>48147173
Yes. With >>48143998, though, that card is a 5-mana reusable Void Shatter

>>48147196
>three more bolts
>Devil Cruise magically prevents you from cruising into lands and other creatures

>>48147293
It cruises into your enemy's face for a solid 3 damage though

I'm headed to my LGS tonight for Modern but I kinda wanna build Vampires as a side/casual deck. What Standard relevant Vampires should I pick up before they go up in price?

>>48147322
Assuming you removed any blockers with the bolts you draw he should hit for 4 or maybe 5.

>>48147376
You in florida?

>>48145941
Odd, because I've been rooting for her and Emrakul since they finally revealed that it was Emrakul.

Something of consequence needs to happen during this blocks story that isn't Emrakul being destroyed or Liliana joining the Gatewatch. However knowing WotC the Gatewatch will drive off Emrakul, Sorin will regret not being able to save the plane himself and will survive, and Emrakul will be destroyed.

Meanwhile we already know Liliana joins the Gatewatch and Nahiri gets away

>>48147433

Sorry no I'm in California.

>>48147322
>>48147387
>>48147293
"Think I'll turn up the heat in here..."

>>48147454
You have my condolences friend

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Can Arlinn and Sigarda keep the humans safe?

>>48147725
Humans are the true monsters, it's Arlinn and Sigarda who need to be kept safe.

>>48147725
Arlinn is trying to protect Werewolves, not Humans.
They're already fucked

Maybe Tamiyo will time-shift the plane back to before Emrakul arrived with one of her doom scrolls.