What are they watching for?

Casuals

>>48118505
An interesting plot to shit all over.

elderazi.

>>48118587
but all of the known eldrazi titans are dead and contained, and if they cared about minor eldrazi they would just live on zendikar as exterminators for the rest of their lives.

>>48118505
gates

this is all a set up for Ravnica 3: Guildless Pleb Murder Edition

>>48118505
whatever threatens the multiverse, apparently. its literally the avengers but that said it could be interesting to see a potential war between them.

>>48119045
Next block: Captain Vryn: Civil War

they clearly need an azorius walker in order to figure out a more clearly defined mission statement.

>>48118505
a good card

>>48118505
The big bad evil plot device
Next they'll travel to Kaladesh to combat improper toilet usage.

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>>48119140
tezzert is the winter soldier to Jace's captain america
he even has the arm

>>48119177
Jace will use his mind magic to convince the pooloos to use the loo

Chandra will burn the shit off the streets

Gideon will rally the peasants to build public restrooms

Nissa will smoke something and make public parks

Liliana will use zombies to instruct people in using the loo

And that slated indian artificer planeswalker will design thopter-shitters that act as mobile toilets

>>48119226
...but Jace hates Tezzeret's guts. And Tezzeret wants to murder Jace.
Besides, Gideon is the Captain America of the team - the Winter Soldier is undoubtedly one of his Irregulars he nuked by accident.

>>48118505
Every threat to everything in every universe always

Aka it's fucking stupid

>>48118505
Lillian Vess is watching you masterbate.

>>48118505
>every single set is going to involve these clowns

This will never get old!

I can't wait till the go back to (my favorite plane) and meet (planeswalker) who will join the gatewatch to defeat (villian)! Based maro!

>>48118505
They're watching for the next mythic slot they can steal.

>>48118505
They are looking for a good magic set

They still haven't found one yet

>>48119615
Could be one of Gideon's schoolyard chums who go lightning bolts to the face pre-spark igniting.

>>48119242
>thopter-shitters that act as mobile toilets
>yfw there are no flying toilets irl
FUND IT

>>48119637
O-oh?

>>48118692
>live on zendikar as exterminators for the rest of their lives.
I second this and I'd like to add to this motion that we also have no more sets based on zendikar

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>>48120505

>>48120629
Jace kind of has an important job on Ravnica he's been neglecting to chase after stupid puzzles, so he can't be on Eldrazi Organ Cleanup Detail

>>48118505
Gates dumbass

>>48120801
Of course he can. He can be everywhere doing everything. Maro already said that a member of the gatewatch will be in every block from here onwards, so either get used to these idiots or expect more planeswalkers to be shoved into this meaningless club with all the grace and intelligence of a pig in heat.

>>48120865
if enough people voiced there disapproval of maro and his gatewatch bullshit wizards would have to take notice and put a stop to it

>>48121033
Won't be happening as long as it sells well.

>>48121041
then Whine harder.

>>48121072
Still won't drown out the sound of cash flowing through a register.

>>48118505
Devils, oh wait nevermind those won't be in this set

>>48121091
mtg is becoming less profitable as time goes on and out right ignoring its player base when they hate something won't help that

>>48120865
If I recall, the quote said that at least one member will be involved in every set.
In a better universe, it would be possible for one member to just explore a plane by themselves, and/or take on a more subdued role in the events of the block, without necessarily twisting the entire set to revolve around them.
But they won't do that.

>>48121091
It did in AVR
And that was 20 people whining

kaladesh and aether revolt had better be good I'm done with mtg after those if it doesn't improve

>>48120675
Haven't seen that image in a very long time,

And you fucked it up by not even spelling Lilliana or masturbate correctly, well done

>>48121235
He was quoting the faggot who spelled it wrong in the first place

>>48120801
I can only hope for Return to Return to Ravnica's plot to be centered around a Dimir based Phyrexian sleeper cell that takes over while literally everyone blames and shames Jace for playing superhero

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>>48119242

>Thinking the toilet witches will just let this happen

How will the Jacetice League stand up to this poo threat?

>>48119637
How convenient! I was watching her.

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>>48121206
Wut

>>48119637
That just makes me masturbate harder

>>48122071
triumph of ferocity

>>48121860
And I suppouse Aether rebellion will involve the pajeets rebelling against their new robo-toilet overlords

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>>48122115
>shithead tumblrinas bitching about justice served to womyn
>gets the one semi-interesting green walker turned into a bad guy

Just fuck my shit up

>>48122149
You forgot the part about how none of the people complaining actually played the game and none do now

>>48121162
Citation fucking needed. Each set outsells the last.

>>48121206
>>48122115
ok but
> apologizing because of one card artwork because it can hurt the reputation of the product to normies
versus
>scrapping the entire approach to storytelling because a fraction of the players complain, right when the game is more popular than ever before and the avengers bandwagon is profitable right now
i think there's a bit of a difference between the two.

>>48122689
Maybe. But the second one is more dire since it's a "We might lose what we have" instead of a "We might not grow as hard"

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>>48122142

It's in their nature, Pajeet will always hate the loo.

>>48119615
>>48120456
The Winter Soldier is Elspeth.

>>48118552
First post best post.

>>48118505
Shes trying to watch jace's brenis, but its elusive.

>>48118505
"Today, as an Eldritch Moon casts a Shadow over Innistrad, the Gatewatch watch the Seagate, according to the Oath of the Gatewatch they swore at the Seagate on the eve of the Battle for Zendikar." - Jace Beleren

"Lorwyn" - Chandra

>>48118505
Why does her tiara match the Emrakul silhouette that is the set symbol?

>>48123570
Ugh. Cause the set symbol's probably her thing

>>48121860
How the fuck do Strayans keep getting away with it?

if they pass a bathroom for chandra

>>48122224
truth hurts anon but sale are fluctuate at best

>>48119045
>multiverse
its one universel with many planets

>>48118505

>The Flavortext isn't "I'll keep watch, to prevent any tentacles I don't control from violating Cloak Boy's boipussy."

>>48125727

nice fanfiction

>>48125750
you must be new

>>48125798

Explain Alara.

>>48118505
Phyrexia

>>48125922
What's the effect on that one; when a spell is cast, physically take it from the player and light it on fire?

>>48125832
>>48125922
>>48125932
>>48125944
>>48118505
Seriously though,

How long before the Gatewatch gets wrecked by Phyrexia?

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>>48125935
If only.

>>48125987
So when will they reprint the Oaths so they make a panorama?

>>48125987
She's so noncommital about it. I don't think she's gonna keep watch. I think she's gonna set it all on fire.

>>48125967
honestly, not soon enough. Also, I wonder what Tamiyo's stance on Phyrexia is?

>>48125967
I don't know which I hate more. New Phyrexia or the League.

>>48125727
The "plane" in "planeswalker" refers to planes of existence which is tantamount to dimension.

>>48126044
The term was coined back when the Magic lore was yet to be solidified.

>>48126040
>Well thought out group with deep, internal political splits
or
>Friendship solves everything

>>48126061
I don't hate New Phyrexia in a vacuum. I hate it because they fucked Mirrodin to make it.

>>48126075
to be fair, Mirrodin was always going to become New Phyrexia.

>>48126056
And it is one of the things that hasn't changed since the game was created.

>>48126093
Yeah, I know they worked that out ahead of time. They also did that with Tarkir, and it was equally bad there.

Fucking up perfectly good planes seems to be their plot crutch, honestly.

>>48126075
I dislike it because of all the damn Nornfaggots.
That is not how you treat Yawgmoth's legacy, damnit.

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>>48118505
Gates.
Wait, maybe this is foreshadowing for a fuure threat that will make use of gates to go from plane to plane?

>>48126129
don't worry. Norn is going to get BTFO when The raven man turns out to be Mishra possessed by Yawgmoth who trick Lil into reviving him.

>>48126031
It's very very interesting and she'd like to watch it from a safe distance
Tamiyo is a historian, non-interventionalist, and field researcher (god it's going to feel awkward to use that phrase now that they've actually named her that)
Her entire thing is floating around, not interfering, and studying shit that goes down

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>we want the avengers audience
people complained about the weatherlight crew, but they were miles more interesting despite being pretty much the exact same concept

>>48126165
>>48126031
Was she around for Old Phyrexia? If so she might know what horrible shenanigans will happen if they begin to take over.

>>48126143
The Raven Man is just a mental construct of Liliana's, an 'outside force' she can blame as having 'made her do' something like she always does. Because nothing is ever her fault.

>>48126143
>Norn is going to get BTFO
No. It will only create a new political split. Much more interest... oh wait, we're talking about WotC writers here, nevermind.

>>48126170
Weatherlight wasn't a bad idea necessarily. The snarky flavor text was tedious and annoying. Every one of them had to be a snarky asshole with annoying "clever" quips.

>>48126143
That's much more interesting than anything Wizards will come up with.

>>48125987
Jace's oath flavor text doesn't sound Blue at all.

>>48126177
She has the tale of the destruction of Serra's Realm in one of her locked scrolls but I don't think she said it was her own writing, so it's anyone's guess as to how long she's been around

>>48126190
But they still do that now with these clowns, though.

>>48126210
>destruction of Serra's Realm

Tamiyo nukes a plane when?

>>48126231
I don't disagree.

>>48126044
>>48126101

dominaria was and is the original planet
the shit you're talking about was made up by some rosewater faggot later

>>48126253
But we knew there were other planes at that point.


Hence Phyrexia.

>>48126210
Actually, the one about the myr was an original work, and that was set shortly after the fall of Memnarch, so she's not far off from having been around for old phyrexia
OG Mirrodin was before the mending too, so she's most likely an Oldwalker

>>48126205
That's because Jace, the character, is blue/white, with a somewhat heavier blue focus.
But they can't print him in blue/white because everyone will go HE JOINED THE AZORIUS due to his ties to Ravnica. So he gets monoblue cards.

Does Nissa have any character depth whatsoever?

>>48126137
>gate opens up on current plane
>jacetice league prepare for eldrazi to come flooding through
>feeling confiden as they are well practiced at mopping up the squidy buggers by now
>instead a phyrexian war machine comes twisting out
>WE WILL ADD YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL AND BIOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN YOUR CULTURE SHALL ADAPT TO SERVICE US RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

>>48126285
>Phyrexian Obliterator trigger forces the Jacetice League to sacrifice themselves.

>>48126240
Never, because she promised not to ever unlock those scrolls

>>48126275
She used to be elf Hitler

>>48126263

planets
slivers were from their own planet too

>>48126267
Mirrodin didn't exist until well after a hundred years past the end of the Invasion. And Memnarch's fall was long after Argentum became Mirrodin. There's a SIGNIFICANT gap between Old Phyrexia's fall and Memnarch's fall.
>>48126275
Honestly? No, because they've retconned her so much that not even the authors know which parts of her story are canon and which are not, making everything a confusing mess even within a single story. Her main characterization currently is an overdependence on a specific elemental only found on Zendikar, and an overusage of the word 'oh'

>The Gatewatch is 100% white
I thought Wizards was trying to be progressive.

>>48126304

>Jace teleports behind it and bounces it back to the portal
>heh, nothing personnel

>>48126337
did they ever say where Volrath got the Sliver Queen? I'm pretty sure they weren't native to Wrath but its been a while since I've read any of those books.

>>48126371
They've stated that, like everything else on Rath, the slivers weren't either.
They also aren't native to Shandalar.
>>48126337
Planes are explicitly other planes of existence and not planets, as per the creative team. Shut up.

>>48126275
she used to be a supremacist, and interesting if insufferably hateable

now she's "generic green elf character"

>>48126339
Yeah I suppose that's true
It would be easier if there was a nice all-inclusive official timeline to follow

>>48126337
Dimensions.

>>48126371
>I'm pretty sure they weren't native to Wrath
Nothing was native to Rath.

Why is Magic so cold and corporate nowadays?

Fucking Hasbro.

>>48126388
Poor thing can't tell what her own history is supposed to be and flipflops between them, sometimes within a single story.
I blame Sarkhan.

>>48126433
In what way?

>>48126455
He flipped shit when he heard people calling the Gatewatch the "Jacetice League".

>>48126455
Gatewatch is literally a demographic-hitting Avengers ripoff.

>>48126433
The game has already run its course. It's not sustainable but it can be made so by remixing and there are ALWAYS new players that don't know what the game used to be like.

>>48125935
Keklels.were.had.

>>48126449
zendikar was a mistake

Where are my llanowar and yavimaya elfbros at.

>>48126493
>>48126497
Oh, you guys are still on about that. That's some minor ass shit.

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I find this ponytail version of Lili they went with particularly attractive.

>>48126527
I like the Lorwynn satyr-elves.

>>48126497
>demographic-hitting
Three white girls, a white guy and a greek?

>>48126573
White girls appeal to everyone, white guy appeals to white guys, greek appeals to swarthy brown races.

>>48126564
My immaculate brethren

>>48118505
Evil (Green) Witch Face?

I think this card was inspired by the wizard of Oz.

Where are the red ass monkeys?

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>>48126564
they were visually unique and pretty interesting, but dominaria is my jam

>>48126583
>greek appeals to swarthy brown races.
Do they?

>>48126170
It wasn't the same at all. Gerrard and his crew of retards were getting BTFO constantly and most of them died over the course of the story. You won't get that from this sentai team of mary sue planeswalkers who manage to reach a comfy resolution at the end of each block.

>>48126380
This is like the 3rd time in the 3rd thread you've replied with the same comment.
Plane was a term created long before mtg lore was solidified. I have to explain this to nerds every other day.

>>48118505
Muh dick

>>48126371
Slivers were from outside dominaria

>>48126623
That was also a time where Wizards knew that near perfect killing machines wouldn't be a cakewalk to defeat.

>>48126380
>>48126433
ok yea not only was Wrath artificial it was also very young in terms of planes I remember that. It was basically a continent size troop transport.

>>48126398
dimensions now
planets in the 90's

you can usually tell when someone joined the game by their opinion on this

that and if someone says something like "man they must have really been afraid of printing great creatures after alpha, there were so many shitt ones"

>>48126614
Dominaria elves are acceptable, because that's classic magic. I never thought they were particularly interesting, though.

>>48126632
You're not going to get anywhere without a citation.

>>48126677
It's Rath. And that guys a post-Hasbro retard. .

>>48126623
>It wasn't the same at all.
they were a motley crew of varying walks/colors of life that were brought together to stop a threat to the universe

The EXECUTION was wildly different, but the IDEA is similar. And of course it's shit, they're all fucking planeswalkers. Before even getting into the atrocious writing, there's literally nothing keeping them together. You'll never see an entire set about them being stranded in the middle of nowhere because their car was stolen by jews.

>>48126713
>prove it to me or I win

i think you want /fedora/ just down the hall

>>48126632
Planes are named for their most populous planet eg Ravnica is the planet that you go to when you travel to the plane of ravnica
Planes are distinct universes
You cannot space travel from Innistrad to New Phyrexia, the Blind Eternities are not space
It has always been the case that the planes constitute a multiverse

>>48126623
It only really sticks out because the Titans were built up to be this huge big bad. And besides, pretty much any walker is inherently going to be a "Mary Sue" by the 4chan usage.

>>48126729
>wah, wah, I can't just say things assertively in a group of people disagreeing with me and be believed

>>48126728
Weatherlight crew were okay, but that era of "creative" for magic was terrible, full of nonsense cards that were terrible concept and mechanics mismatches.

>>48126783
Weatherlight crew were much more heavily pushed than new walkers. For example, I wouldn't really know how stupid a lot of new walker shit is if I didn't read threads here. I don't read Magic novels; I've never read Magic novels. Not too many magic cards feature Planeswalkers on them in most sets. Like half of all cards in Weatherlight, Tempest, etc have the Weatherlight crew and their awful quips on them.

Speaking of Alara, how did the shards work?

>>48126686
>planets
Yes physically But they never suggested that they were planets within the same universe that one could travel to with a spaceship.

They were just "places".

>>48118505
They're either watching gates or gating watches.

>>48126695
thing about dominarian elves is they have a ton of variety

http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Elves

>llanowar is full of the militant assholes
>yavimaya has a hive-mind going on
>havenwood and their thallid experiments
>the rathi elves stranded in skyshroud

just lots of neat stuff

>>48126816
yeah, it's kind of a reverse situation

the actual story of the weatherlight was alright, but their card presence was suffocating
the actual story of baywatch is complete garbage, but the sets themselves are largely clear of them

just a shame they keep ruining otherwise cool sets with FUCKING dumb plots

>>48126583
>greek appeals to swarthy brown races.
They do? I thought the turks and their fellow mudslimes hated greeks.

>>48126645
Isn't this basically what the Eldrazi are? Small bits of the actual being jammed through holes?

>>48126686
They used the term "worlds" but not in reference to planets.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080509092821/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/planeswalkers/week1

>>48126869
They all hate each other.

>>48126876
"Plane. A plane can take any shape, from a tiny, featureless speck to a sprawling universe that contains multiple worlds. Because the Multiverse is boundless, it contains every fantasy plane imaginable, whether it's Lorwyn, Ravnica, or a plane filled entirely with fudge and bunny rabbits."

is this not proof enough in a paragraph

>>48126552
How did he break her right hand?

>>48126729
You can be a bitch about it if you want but >>48126876 just provided a link that refutes you.

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>>48126686
>"man they must have really been afraid of printing great creatures after alpha, there were so many shitt ones"

Who the fuck has ever said this?

PLANETFAG BTFO

>>48126564
>Satyrs
They did not have goat legs. Only their toes were hooved. Stop making this comparison.

>>48126915
demons

>>48126967
Legitimate question: do you have autism?

>>48126903
Proof that I misspoke about "worlds" but otherwise it proves my point.

>>48127012
Hey man, the anatomy of satyrs important stuff.

>>48126967
>>Satyrs
>They did not have goat legs
They had antlers and cervine feet, more akin to the Fauns of Celtic mythology than the satyrs of Greek mythology
How strange for the Celtic fairyland to have Celtic aesthetics

>>48127056
Except they weren't at all satyrs because Lorwyn was Celtic/Gaelic in its aesthetic inspiration

I just hate the current trend of making an interesting world and just sticking the Jacetus league in it and making about how they show up and fix/ruin everything. It hurts my interest in the setting because instead of focusing on some interesting natives we just get the bland patrol with their "I'm X color so I act like this" personality's. Shits boring

>>48127032
I know, I was agreeing with you

goddamned, fucking autists on this site ... I swear to god ...

>>48127084
Aren't fauns from Roman mythology? Y'know, what with Faunus and all?

>>48127199
Then why did you direct it at me? Remember, intention does not always translate over the internet.

>>48126493
It's not because they called it the Jacetice League.
It's because they were spamming him with a shitload of things with foul language and derogatory comments (which he doesn't post on his blog), so he responded to the entire group via the one post that DIDN'T have those things. Thus making it seem like he's against the 'jacetice league' term when it's taken out of context, because people only post the one response and not the followup - while claiming what you yourself just claimed.

>>48127172
>current trend
It's only been two settings. And they decided to heavily intertwine the two.

Kaladesh will obviously have Chandra in it, but I doubt any of the other four will show.

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>>48126854
Tempest is extremely damaged by this. Rath is a top tier setting by design. But Tempest is a very weak flavor set, because every other card is Gerrard and co and their guided amusement park ride.

Also, not really related, but it always bothered me how they turned the most interesting Weatherlight character into a roided out freak who takes the prize as the dumbest looking villain in Magic history. Ascendant Evincar looks retarded and is featured in so many cards with bad art.

>>48127346
A [Dirge]?

>>48127337
Technically three, but that doesn't change what the guy says. It is a current trend and something MaRo confirmed to be the direction of magic, having at minimum one Gatewatch character centric story in every new plane.

Don't be an asshole who tries to downplay it.

>>48127250
I dunno, man, I thought pulling a paragraph from the article you posted, that explicitly agreed with the sentiment you were trying to convey, was enough.

fukken ... kids and their defensive goddamned ... always listening to the rap music ...

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>>48127346
I like him, but that might just be because Kev Walker is my artfu.

>>48127199

>I'm an attention whore so I made a completely redundant post agreeing with someone in the hopes of catching a few (you)'s.

>>48126743
Most planes actually seem to be about the size of at most earth plus lunar orbit as the whole of that universe, rather than being a massive Our Universe sized universe that we happen to see a tiny speck of. Old geocentrism type deals.
Thus why something that eats planes of existence is a threat, yet not instantly consume the habitable known world the moment it shows up (while also not being a complete nonthreat from taking forever to eat a universe-size plane)

>>48127377
Is this new? There's basically been a "minimum one" of the Lorwyn five in every set until they decided to replace Garruk and Ajani. Unless it's always "By our powers combined, Gatewatch save the day" I don't see a problem with those walkers appearing regularly.

>asshole
I get this plot is the trendy thing to complain about, but fuck you.

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>>48127346
>>48127433

>>48125653
Why does it look so dark and dull compared with the one from the book?

>>48126743
>>48127445
Planes aren't always planets. Serra's Realm for example.

>>48127498
Because you are entitled.

Reminder that Wizards has confirmed Phyrexia is the Big Bad of the multi-verse and every other antagonist is just filler.

>>48127452
Fuck me guy? Fuck you guy.

And it's going to be GATEWATCH specific. Get this, I like Ajani. I don't mind him appearing sometimes. I get sometimes planeswalkers take stage and its something Wizards try to include into every set. I might not agree with the decision, but it's what Wizards decided to do.

Now, seperating this part just for you guy. I don't like GATEWATCH specifically. They are not interesting characters to me (and those who were have been retconned completely into boring molds). I don't want to have every set with atleast one of them taking the stage. It's basically The Avengers at this point. And yes, MaRo confirmed multiple times its always gonna be Gatewatch saving the day or fucking shit up, regardless if whole crew there ot not.

reminder that neo phyrexia is going to be disappointing garbage

>>48119683
>This will never get old!

It's already old.

>>48127553
I wonder how many fireballs it will take to purge and destroy new pherexia.

Two? Maybe even three.

>>48127570
Two fireballs and 13 zombies.

>>48127546

Every fucking attempt to have "main characters" in Magic is retarded and doomed to fail.

>>48127433
Those proportions make me ill. The whole look of it is so 90s comic book.

>>48127570
How much do you want to bet tezzeret becomes neo ertai with neo phyrexia.

>>48126170
The Weatherlight crew got beaten up, fucked up, tortured, imprisoned, impersonated, killed and sacrificed. All from the beggining and by the end of the story all had been BTFO.
The Jacetice League will face no consequences, hardships, changes or growth until at least two years after their stupid movie comes out, because they need them static for the sake of cross-promotion.

>>48127122

Eva Green as fuck

>>48127439
>you've still given him a you, achieving his purpose

>>48127546
Liliana is a great character.

>>48127627
>How much do you want to bet tezzeret becomes neo ertai
Not smug enough.

>>48127570
>fireball
>all the mana of Zendikar set on fire is a mere fireball
Please

>>48126346
Gideon looks like what afrocentricists think ancient greeks looked like

>>48127663

If it was supposed to be that kind of grand thing, it should have destroyed Zendikar AND killed all members of the Gaywatch as a side effect. That would have been an appropriate cost for killing two Eldrazi titans. As a plus, it would have raised the stakes nice and high for Emramoon.

>>48127659
smug is not allowed
smug goes against the safe space, unless displayed by a strong female character in charge of her own actions

>>48127625
Yeah, I know. But that's why I like it. Shows that crovax is just gone completely.

>>48126346
Progressive means black men, muslims and white women.
They made Gideon look like a paki but can't add a nigga because the hysterical hamplanets that play and tell MaRo to check his privilege in tumblr are afraid of blacks.

>>48127663
It was a damn fireball and a cop-out anon, and you know it.

>>48127692

He looks like a tanned white guy, which is pretty much what Greeks are.

>>48127729
Maybe it's the artists, but feels like Gideon's facial structure becomes more and more african with each set.

>>48119683
But my favourite planes is lorwyn!

>>48126619
Swarthy anon here.

Yes.

>>48127754
Your favourite plane is DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD (to Hasbro).

>>48126623
>>48127632
While I agree that they were better at actually putting the Weatherlight crew in peril and having them deal with the consequences of what was going on around them, it's also important to remember that by the end of the story things had gone full-on pants-on-head grimdark in a way that's really typical of 90's nerd media.

>>48127113
It's not consistent. Ally of Zendikar kinda looks that way but >>48127113
is newer and just looks like a tanned southern european.

>>48126253
>the shit you're talking about was made up by some rosewater faggot later
No. Simple as that: no. You are mistaken. Some planes are planets (Dominaria) some looks like planets but aren't (Phyrexia) and some looks like absolutely nothing like planets (Mercadia, Serra's Domain).

>>48127808
meant for >>48127748

>>48127773
I just want that comfy and colorful fantasy

>>48127346
And he originally wasn't going to turn out that way, he was going to be the Token Black Teammate and Mirri wasn't going to die.

>>48127729
Looked*
He's currently about two blocks away from looking like big steve from englamd

>>48127847
Eat your Gatewatch story, anon.

>>48127851
I feel he dodged the "token black guy" thing pretty well from the start by being openly sinister and untrustworthy.

>>48127847
Kithkin apparently creeped people out. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't return there period.

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>>48127113
You know, they haven't changed his gear at all, but upping the saturation on it all just makes it look fucking terrible.

Like, compare his outfit with liliana in the same image. Bright blue, green, teal and orange do not mix well.

>>48127503
I didn't say that they were. I said that MOST were approximately that SIZE - including atmosphere and orbiting bodies and whatnot.
Theros is a flat world with an edge you fall off of, with two coterminal worlds. Rath was a flat disc that kept expanding. Dominaria is confirmed a planet...twice the diameter of Earth, with the same gravity.
Planes are WEIRD. And they're allowed to be. They are not in any way actual planets.

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>>48127902
He looks like he's from Cygnar

>>48127632
Dude what? Must I remember you of how Ob-nixilis basically raped every one of them except Chandra, fucked up their plan, freed Ulamog and hard casted Kozilek, drowned Gideon in a few inches of water after punching Jace and tortured them happily until they were saved by Chandra?

Or how in SoI the whole League presence has been basically Jace being mindfucked by Emrakul and kicked by Avacyn all the damn set while Tamiyo and Sorin actually did shit?

In the end they can win, but please do not pretend they don't suffer in getting there.

>>48126915
just because her right hand is out of frame doesn't mean its broken, anon

>>48127203
You know, you're absolutely right
I can't find any point of origin in Celtic mythological animals for the Roman Faunus
Everything else in Lorwyn is 100% Irish though

>>48127816
Hell, just look at Theros, where the sky is an actual place you can walk to.

>>48127884
As in, the one Black-aligned crew member of the Weatherlight, and stayed on the damn ship so it wasn't just 'everyone vs black'
I really want to hear the full original plan for the Weatherlight one day.

>>48128001
Oh right, the color. Just coincidentally also a black guy.

Before he got a card, I kind of pictured Volrath as blue since he was a shapeshifter and is featured in so many blue cards.

>>48127938
>>48127938
a) It's not even close to the same level as the set the Weatherlight crew went through even from the start of their story.
b) We don't see that shit on the actual cards. Remember when we got a card showing Tahngarth being shocked over and over again until he lost his skin color, having to live in constant agony and deformity for the rest of his life? Also on the same arc we got a card showing pacifist Karn being forced to kill goblins by his captor.

Ten levels above Ob holding Gideon's face in a puddle and we actually see that gruesome shit happening on the cards we fucking play.

>>48128001
Slivers were based on a design that had each individual creature be an aspect of a larger one, like one would be "X's Eyes" or "X's Hands".

>>48127851
>>48128001
We shit on MaRo a lot here, but I legitimately feel bad for how the Weatherlight story apparently got hijacked by the higher-ups.

Like, it wasn't set to be amazing or anything, but it sounds like his plan was basically "we'll have a d&d style party go on an adventure!" and it turned into "GERRARD AND URZA FIGHT TO DEATH IN THE BOWELS OF HELL"

>>48127976
I guess there's Dusios, but I think his association with Faunus/Pan came after the Celts and Romans intermingled.

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>>48128054
Oh yeah, we need 90s grimderp in order order for protagonists not to be Mary Sues, totally.

>>48128104
>I think his association with Faunus/Pan came after the Celts and Romans intermingled.
I'm retarded. I mean more that, basically, he wasn't thought of as a goatman or whatever before that.

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>>48128054
Oh and what card are you referring to? Because he genuinely seems fine here. I literally had no idea Tahngarth got those albino spots from torture.

>>48128105
Late 90s/2000s magic was dumb grimdark, but the threat of the recurring characters dying is a good point that could be taken from that.

>>48127122
She looks high on this.

>>48128104
>>48128131
That would be a pretty Roman thing to do

>>48128073
>Like, it wasn't set to be amazing or anything, but it sounds like his plan was basically "we'll have a d&d style party go on an adventure!" and it turned into "GERRARD AND URZA FIGHT TO DEATH IN THE BOWELS OF HELL"

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Invasion is a retarded disaster of a story.

>>48128054
>We don't see that shit on the actual cards
THANK
FUCKING
GOODNESS

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>>48128132
He's talking about this

>>48128132
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4827

>>48128182
At least it's pretty fun to play, though.

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>>48128207
I literally had no idea that was Tahngarth. And I love that card. I am used to Minotaurs dying in random instant and sorceries.

>>48119637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPnffuz_EM

>>48122071
>The Gatewatch gives Jin Gitaxais a speeding ticket.gif.

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>>48128105
>spoopy magical vortex
yeah I'm sure they're suffering more than the guy who had his arms torn off

>>48128237
truth be told, tahngarth was basically just a generic minotaur before he got mutated by phyrexia

>>48126433
>>48126502
The game hasn't run it's course but MaRo, Stoddard, Forsythe and Beyer sure have.
They have to give Nagle full freedom to go mad, dismantle NWO so Development stop being faggots and fire whomever is castrating Jarvis in the art dept. We still have way too many mechanics, tribes, settings and playstyles to explore, it's just these oldfag jews are too burdened by their own neuroses to think anyway outside their comfort zone.

>>48128315
Does that guy in Viceling's art have a name? Is he a real character? We have lots of non named characters dying brutal deaths.

Victim of the Night is one those cards that gives me a reason not to teach my 5 year old brother MtG.

And fair enough. Tahngarth doesn't seem like he has much going on. What all does he end up doing? Was he like Bosh?

>>48127614
who know. maybe it will be even less if they use zombies that are on fire.

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>>48128351
>Does that guy in Viceling's art have a name? Is he a real character?
yes?

That's ertai. The snarky blue wizard member of the weatherlight. I don't know why phyrexia felt the need to just vice off his arms and graft four in their place, but that's what they did when they got their hands on him.

>>48125967
During Aether Revolt.
They seem to be using the New Who model

>>48127113
Liliana was the daughter of a warlord, right?
I mean, we've never seen her lead her zombies other than horde-on, and it'd be extremely akward for Gideon/Thalia to lead the zombies through Lilly, but it'd be actually kind of cute if she remembered some military tactics from being smotheringly clingy to her dad and brother.

>>48128454
It's 2016 and Ertai is still bringing that banter hard.

>>48127122
>aunt lili wants YOU

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>>48128454
Oh. Ertai. The smug dickhole who existed purely to be made fun of. Right.

Well, I'm sorry they haven't created another punching bag character besides Elspeth.

>>48127515
Entitlemente doesn't change the information on pixel-constructed artifacts.

>>48128543
he was a comic relief character who had a change of heart and was straight up fucking mutilated and turned to evil for it

elspeth was killed and sent to nyx

not even remotely comparable situations, m8

>>48127625
>Kev Walker is a comic book artist
>It was done in the 90's
Gee, I wonder why.

>>48128543
STOP BULLYING GOBLINS
STOOOOOP
SQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>48128595
goblins exist to be bullied

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>>48128575
Oh yeah, a guy who existed to be made fun of was turned "good" for some lackluster drama when they had the bad guys get him. Pinnacle of superb writing showcasing that anyone (even guys you don't give a shit about and want dead) can have generic 90s grimderp happen to him.

Surely, this is nothing like today's corruption stories where nothing bad ever happens. Not like being stabbed by a white god for performing their will. Or being morphed into a hideous conglomeration of flesh and madness just because you are the guardians of a plane.

Not comparable at all. Remember when fan favorite Jaya Ballard was raped by Leshrac himself? That was back when WOTC had some balls.

>>48127938
The crew were vulnerable and enything could happen to them.
The Jacetice League is invulnerable until at least two years past the movie comes out.
Excuse me for knowing Ob couldn't truly harm them no matter how much he hurt them.

>>48126285
>Phyrexians walk through gate
>Papers please?
>phyrexians stand still in confusion, check their pockets
>no papers
>return home
>jace heralded as a hero for doing nothing

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>>48128688
>Surely, this is nothing like today's corruption stories where nothing bad ever happens.
Right, because bad things DON'T happen to the concurrent cast of characters. Or at least bad things that mean real fucking setbacks. It's all limited to the one-off legends that MIGHT feature in two blocks, tops. Venser's a good example of that.

>Not like being stabbed by a white god for performing their will
Elspeth isn't even dead. They've just shelved her for a return to theros.

How about getting killed by a shapeshifter pretending to be the daughter you thought you'd rescued.

>>48128848
Pretty good, glory to Arstotzka anon.

>>48128868
>Arstotzka
Surely you mean Azor?

>>48128688
Oh no, two literally who characters got corrupted and fused together, how will we ever recover :(?

Also literally 5 minutes after Elspeth "died" the story people came out and said that "death in Theros isn't really death", what more fucking proof do you want? Plus it's not like Elspeth was the inter-block hero of magic to begin with.

>>48128817
What are you smoking? It's not like Gerrard or Urza were ever at risk of dying. Main characters never do until the end of the story. The only thing the Weather light had over the Jacetice League was a larger number of secondary characters to kill. And it's not like the League secondary characters are immortals. Just look at Sorin and Avacyn.

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>>48128918
>It's not like Gerrard or Urza were ever at risk of dying
>Both characters died

>>48128901
>Blue/White
>White
>Jace

>>48128864
>It's all limited to the one-off legends that MIGHT feature in two blocks, tops. Venser's a good example of that.

Oh yeah, not like Starke who appeared in one block and then died in the first set after that block that wasn't a prequel.

>>48128918
>It's not like Gerrard or Urza were ever at risk of dying.
I want to see how hard you are going to try to backpetal out of this one.

>>48128910
Oh yeah, literal whos, right. Not like Ertai. Or Tahngarth.

>>48128918
it's that the league characters are super bland compared so they can be self inserts, and the Weatherlight crew are actual fleshed out characters. Mirri, and Hannah were main characters who died

>>48126285
>Phyrexians walk through gate
>Jace stops them and says invasions are against the rules and to invade the need to beat the home plane in a game of basketball
>Phyrexians assimilate the plane's top ballers
>enter Mikhael Jur'dan, Ascended Baller as the newest member of the Gatewatch
>Gatewatch plays Phyrexia in a game to decide the fate of a plane
>new cards include "Chaos Dunk" and "Technical Foul"
>Planar Jam, coming to an LGS near you in 2053

>>48128918
Didn't Gerrard and Urza kill each other?

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>>48129001
>Ref is a sleeper

>>48128936
Read what I wrote you idiot. They died at the end of the story. It was a deliberate sacrifice to invoke the Deus ex machina after years in real life. It's the exact same as "two years after the movie". Until then they weren't ever in any danger whatsoever, because they were the main characters.

>>48128918
Sorin and Elspeth are both in time-out. And most likely Xenagos too.
No planeswalker has died since Venser.

Hell, waifufags whined so much about a character we hadn't even seen, creative ended up reviving The Lithomancer and now Innistrad is tentacle town.

>>48129001
Ironically, this sides like a good plot and would make for good card set. Hear this wizards, there's your new UN set.

>>48128981
>Literally part of the main cast, who play important roles in the stories and are featured in every story since the start of the saga.
>The same as 2 auxiliary characters that did close to fuck all that we saw one time 5 years

Bait at this point.

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>>48128958
We can also talk about that time the primary love interest of the "main character" caught the plague and fucking died. I wonder if they'd pull that with liliana.

>>48129002
technically no, gerrard only beheaded urza, who remained alive because of the might/weakstones in his eyes

They did both eventually die, though. I forget who the surviving weatherlight members were. Sisay, tahngarth, orim and squee?

>>48129002
They did. They also didn't die from that.

>>48129019
>Urza gets all kinds of fucked up through the story
>Basically a head for good last portion
>Never in danger

>>48129001
What would the team names be?

>>48128910
>"death in Theros isn't really death"
Well that's good that means if we ever get Return to Theros with Meld we'll have this.

>Eidolon of the Betrayed Champion
>Legendary Enchantement Creature - Spirit.
>Monowhite.
>Flying
>Bestow
>Enchanted creature gets +X/+Y and gains Flying
>If ~ was bestowed upon [insert creature name here] exile them and return them to the battlefield transformed.

Yes I know the fourth line is kind of parasitic, but it will all makes sense, trust me.

>Legendaty Creature - Zombie
>Monoblack
>Exalted
>(Melds with Eidolon of the Betrayed Champion)

I have no clue what name would work for the Returned though. .

>>48126143
>And the ball above Nicol's head is urza's head

>>48129049
>Missing his body
>For an old walker.
>Being any kind of problem

When you are able to regenerate your body instantly with a thought and the only reason you don't do it is because you are a lazy fuck and being a floating head doesn't inconvenience you in any way being beheaded is not a danger.

>>48129115
That's bullshit, but I believe that creative could be so dumb

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>>48129002
Yawgmoth had Gerrard Kill Urza which didnt take much pushing considering Urza's deranged plans created him, manipulated him his entire life and got Hannah killed. But Urza getting killed by Gerrard was part of his deranged plans and let to the destruction of Yawgmoth.

>>48129116
>Barely alive thanks to stone eyes
>"lol he's fine, just a scratch"

>arguing over which bad magic story is best.

Everyone knows that the Ice Age is deepest lore. And that's including related sets. It is also how you do a plane changing disaster right. First you have the sets where the disaster starts to fuck things up (Dark, Fallen Empires), then you have the post apocalypse set (Ice Age), then the resolution (Alliances, which is also the weakest flavor of the bunch). It lasted a long time, but when it finally ended, the plane everyone knew and loved finally returned. Mirrodin is irrevocably ruined.

>>48129160
I thought during this point Urza had decided to join Phyrexia and it wasn't until after the beheading that he snapped back?

>>48129116
>When you are able to regenerate your body instantly with a thought
He fucking couldn't, m8.

Urza was completely insane/delirious during the invasion and spent most of his power killing phyrexian armies in his powered armor. The only thing keeping him alive after the duel with gerrard was the thran artifacts in his head.

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>>48129034
Oh yeah. Clearly a love interest of a planeswalker has never died in modern MtG. Never ever.

>>48129025
Oh yeah, totally important characters. Clearly not just a pair of randoms in a gigantic list of legends that is either a set of 12 characters or a set of 20 depending on definition.

Here, apparently this is your proposed solution, instead of having 5 walkers that get shoved down our throat over the course of ten sets, let's having 20 and have them features on every card ever and pretend it matters when one dies.

>>48126315
>yfw she nukes new phyrexia

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>>48129160
Urza didn't quite care for Yawgmoth. To the point that he made a moon powered death ray that used his head to kill him. Also the silver guy in the background is a terminator he made to kill him before he became a god but his time machine/Hogwarts island blew up.
>>48129226
any one of those 12 characters would probably be more interesting than the mascot walkers.

>>48129226
>this one-off character died!
it's almost like what I said in >>48128864 was completely accurate

>>48129185
it's been a while since I read the books so that might be true. I'm pretty sure they were in Phyrexia when they fought which is why Yawgmoth was strong enough to disable off Urza's walker powers and he could easily fuck with his mind like he did to Gerrard. Urza wasn't all there for most of his time as a walker

>>48129024
>When you play this card, SLAM it

>>48129315
yeah, I'm pretty sure after talking to Yawg for like 5 minutes Urza just goes and says "You know what, Maybe Phyrexia isn't all that bad. I might as well kill the other Titans."

Riddle me this neckbeards, if oldwalkers are so much more powerful than neowalkers then why are Gatewatch able to solve all of oldwalker problems in mere minutes with minimal effort? I believe this here is a checkmate.

>>48129343
>When this card comes into play sacrifice it unless you play the Space jam theme in repeat for as long as this card remains in play.

>>48129362
>Slam pay X and SLAM this card into the field
>for each card touched -effect-
>If you SLAM this card, do X

>>48129168
It's not like we have ton of fluff that says that the only body part of an Oldwalker that matter is his brain.

>>48129219
Yes, because those thran artifacts contained his spark. Which, being the thing that made him an oldwalker, was the only thing keeping him alive.

>>48129362
>As [card name] enters the battlefield, choose Slam or Jam
• Slam — with the best
• Jam — with the rest

>>48129001
Well finally get a Slamnation reprint!

>>48129349
That does sound familliar it wouldn't take much considering how unhinged Urza was at that point and they were in Phyrexia were he is an omnipotent god. They only managed to "kill" him when his essence went from Phyrexia to Dominaria and he hadn't settled yet.

Be real. The Invasion plot is basically the same sort of shit as new walkers.

>>48128918
>>48129019
>>48129116
Urza literally died when Radiant ripped the mightstone and weakstone out of his face.
It's only thanks to deus ex machina that he revived when Radiant put the mightstone and weakstone back together, reforming him somehow.

>>48129248
Clearly, as old things are good and new things are bad. Clearly the Weatherlight crew, a comically stereotypical band of misfits is way better than the current one, because there were more of them and they were on every single fucking card from that era.

>>48129297
Oh yeah. One block and a novel isn't enough, they should've dragged that character through three blocks before killing him for some drama. That would've been way better.

I literally do not get people who hate the planeswalkers being shoved down their throats but loved the Weatherlight Saga. Here, have some consolation, some day, marketing will realize that the Gatewatch is Weatherlight 2.0 and pull the plug on it. And then we'll get Weatherlight 3.0 and curmudgeons will complain about how much better the Gatewatch were.

Yeah, clearly fiction designed for 13 year olds in the 90s is inherently better than fiction designed for 13 year olds twenty years later.

>All these weatherlightfags

It's not like the Weatherlight had actually good stories except for the original Weatherlight Set and the Rath Block. Everything else was shit of the worst kind.

Must I remember you of Prophecy, where Teferi ended the story by remembering that he was a Planeswalker all along and nuking his enemies?

Or Mercadia's Maques?

Or Invasion, where Commodore Guff literally summoned a giant eraser to change the ending?

>>48129432
yes and no

Plot was nonsense, but it was a hell of a lot crazier and everyone died when at the end so we didn't have to drag the shackled corpse around afterwards.

Gatewatch is just going to sit and rot until they get their fucking movie.

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>>48129392
Fuck yes

>>48129432
No, it is different, don't you see how a Minotaur became a slightly lighter Minotaur and a dipshit brat was turned bad?

>>48129445
>He really died!
>He just come back alive five second later!

Just as I said. No danger whatsoever. He was one of the main characters, so he couldn't really die in a permanent way until the end of the story, because without him there is no story.

>>48129401
How would you fit Slamnation and Chaos Dunk into the same set?

>>48129001
I'm imagining two of the Phyrexians took the abilities of the Harlem Globetrotters and keep doing ball shenanigans while Sweet Georgia Browns plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opmwfRqdGsg

>>48129476
But no one here even saying Weatherlight was good, just better than Gatewatch.

>>48129504
He was also trapped in a haze of agony for years by Multani, and Gix nearly killed him in a duel as well. (That same duel is what killed Xantcha.)

Your description of "danger" rings hollow to me. He faced challenges and threats to his life, but of course plot got him through the day as the protagonist. That's not bad writing or anything. That's how media works.
Nobody would be interested in a story where the hero dies a quarter of the way into act 1 and then acts 2&3 are just extensive descriptions of how the BBEG takes over and destroys everything good in the world.

>>48129548
>Nobody would be interested in a story where the hero dies a quarter of the way into act 1 and then acts 2&3 are just extensive descriptions of how the BBEG takes over and destroys everything good in the world.
new_phyrexia.blck

What a waste of potential. I wish they dragged that shit out instead of the eldrazi.

>>48129486
>we didn't have to drag the shackled corpse around afterwards.

Oh yeah, 13 sets must've just been a comfortable stopping point. They thought you know, it has been 10 sets, but I am still a well of ideas.

13 sets! The Gatewatch has existed for 3 sets so far. Three.

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>>48129519
>Vorcincrux Lemon and Jin " inaudible machine noises" Gitaxias

>>48129534
I liked the crew and the plane hopping aspect. And since they were actually interesting characters instead of boring caricatures they actually got to interact with people instead of just moping around on their own or just "rallying" armies to fix everything.

>>48129585
You mean three blocks:
Origins - BFZ - Oath (officially formed) - SOI - EM

>>48129519
kek
I'd also want them to get Barkley so we could get a Legendary Charles Barkley creature.

>>48129591
>Jin Gitaxias dong sick dunks
Fund it

>>48129548
>Your description of "danger" rings hollow to me. He faced challenges and threats to his life, but of course plot got him through the day as the protagonist. That's not bad writing or anything. That's how media works.

That's exactly my point. But for some reason when it happens to Jace or the others it's instead a bad thing. See >>48128817

>>48129575
New Phyrexia would have applied if the praetors succeeded in compleating Karn. But they didn't, and he lives to resist.

>>48129676
>Charles Barkley plays for Phyrexia
>He's not compleated at all, he just needs the money

>>48129679
Oh, that's fair.
The Gatewatch is completely usual. That guy's totally off, the crew was plot armored head to toe.

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>>48129621
So 4 sets? If you count the set that hasn't come out yet, 5. That's still less than half of the Weatherlight Saga. And these are sets that weren't about 50% pictures of the crew standing around.

>>48129585
>13 sets! The Gatewatch has existed for 3 sets so far. Three.
weatherlight (1/3)
tempest/stronghold/exodus (3/3)
masques/nemesis/prophecy (3/3)
invasion/planeshift/apocalypse (3/3)

Technically speaking, jace and company have been around for more sets than the weatherlight.

>>48129693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dMSstLDqM

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>>48129729
Technically speaking, Urza was around since the start of the game.

>>48129793
That's great. Do you want a medal?

There's a reason I omitted urza's saga in that list, and I'm sure a clever boy like yourself can figure out why.

>>48129693
>Barkley sells his likeness to WotC
>we get plenty of new art for all cards made up of Barkley's face shopped on to old cards like spitting sliver

>>48129793
Urza isn't part of the Weatherlight crew. He's also not part of the Tempest or Mirage blocks.

He's also not in a load of oldschool blocks, despite being kind of face of Planeswalkers. He caused the Ice Age, but he's absent after Antiquities until they got back to Urza's Saga.

>>48129841
To make yourself look better because you don't have a point?
Treating "Jace and company" as equivalent to the Gatewatch is invalid.

>>48129845
Oh I want this.