Horus Heresy General/hhg/

>>48115414
But the DG dice are the best.

>>48115303
Is that your Kharybdis? Do you hav the measurements? I'm trying to figure out what sort of custom cut trays I need for it and Battlefoam doesn't have it as a standard shape.

>>48114821
Well shit, which book is LACAM ? Is that the book I should start instead of the HH1 ?

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>>48115508
Truth.

>>48115567
Read the filename, it's not his.

>>48115567
Kek, I knew someone would do that.

Read the filename on the post you're replying to.

>>48115584
link is in the OP

>>48115584
LACAL*

>>48115597
Damn, I got got.

Question still out there for anyone who has one

>>48115644
>>48115584
Don't you mean Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List? (it's on the mega, I think phones have trouble with that)
But don't worry -- reading that book alone isn't enough anymore
Gotta read that one (LACAL), then the rules presented on HH4 (p.244 IIRC) and then HH5 and HH6 added some stuff to the space marine list.
>>48115587
>>48115597
I know, right? :^)

Given so many people seem to want their legion-specific units in Elites, I can only conclude that there isn't enough good stuff in Elites compared to Heavy Support. How do fix Elites in LACAL (without pushing people even further toward quad-mortars and rapiers)?

>>48115643
Which one ? What does LACAL stand for ?

>>48115708
>so many people seem to want their legion-specific units in Elites
Because it's easier to think of them as "Terminator/Veteran replacements" than trying to fit them in all those RoWs that restrict the number of Fast or Heavy choices you can bring.
>>48115742
Nigga plz -> >>48115665 , that's a good quality spoonfeed.

>>48115708
I think the main thing is that elite terminators can be troops with pride of the legion and Iron warriors have both their special units in heavy support. Plus AoD lets you have 4 elite slots meaning unless you want to spam 4 of the same unit it allows for more versatility to put them there.

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>>48115767
I wish to believe this is not a typo, thanks.

>>48115665
Christ. Ok, time to get reading. Did they buff the Champion consul ? I love the designated duel guys but the option from HH1 seems pretty bland and weak.

>>48115819
>Did they buff the Champion consul ?
Nah, he's still a budget Praetor for duels, and in that role some would say he's surpassed by the Delegatus (book 6), who also gets a MC weapon but also has MotL. So, unless the Champion is mounted on a bike or has AP2 on initiative he could very well get killed by a random artificer powerfist sgt.
Note: You don't want your Delegatus in a duel.

>>48115508
>>48115587

DG and AL dice are tied. It's just a shame that the best dice went to the worst legions

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>>48115942
There's still much legions to cover, hater anon. A fist, an iron skull, a winged sword or an omega are all great ways to represent a six.
Anything but a burning book, really :^)

>>48115994
Who's that?

>>48115708

Tyrants are fine in heavy support, the problem is Havoks are also in heavy support instead of elites, where they should be to compete with other elite dakka choices while tyrants compete with tough dakka choices

>>48115994
>tfw Word Bearers dice are terribad.
Why, FW, why?

>>48116026
It's definitely not Mortarion the Reaper, Master of the Death Guard Legion.

>>48115901
I wish they would at least give him a reroll to hit in challenge or something. I'm on a PC now and checking out the black book.

>>48115819
Champion is definitely a more fluffy choice except in certain situations. What I think of champions is they are force multipliers for legions that have AP2 at I weapons. EC, WS, BA, and UM champs can be nice inserts to squads to give them an extra kick.

>>48116026
>Who is Mortarion?
But it says so right there! What is going on?
>>48116065
Is it Alpharius? :^)
>>48116064
Someone had to stop their sinful hands :^)

>>48116065
Well who is it then?

>>48115708
In the experience of my own group's meta the problem isn't with elites the problem is with heavy support. Far too many of the good choices are heavy support. Laser vindies, fire raptors, deredeos, leviathans.

>>48116064

I hope WB get Gal Vorbak dice that are all mishappen and mutated and flesh colored lumps that can't even roll properly.

>>48116082
>>48116086
>>48116065
>>48116026
Lawl I'm such a baka
*derps*

>>48116138
That'd be nice. Maybe Lorgar can make up sending the Galaxy into the Age of Darkness with some dice.

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Tell me, /hhg/, are Ursarax relly worth 60 pts a piece? Especially when for +5 pts you can get a Vorax.
I suspect the reasons go along the lines "Instant Death" and "Jump Infantry"?
>Inhuman speed
Pic related amuses me greatly, especially when EC, former paragons of mankind, can reach I10.

>>48116282
Maybe it's inhumanly slow?
>I10
I thought Speedy could only reach i9.

>>48116282
I'm glad they have frags because I could easily see them not getting frags just due to oversight.

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>>48116345
With a Charnabal sabre, that is.

>>48116282

Their probably priced about right, 60 pts for four str 10 attacks, after firing a two 10" volkite beams, while being T5 W3 with FnP and being jump units

>>48116282

Did you miss the giant jet turbines strapped to their backs? Doesn't matter if you swing as slow as an ork and can't sweep if you just zoom at something and eliminate it before the marines even reach it.

>>48116579
>What are Assault marines?

>>48116601

Also inhumanly speedy?

>>48116601
>>48116282

Marines and I10 units aren't human you dipshit. I swear you're just another shitposter.

>>48116345
Nope Speedy Gonzales can reach I 10
>base I 5
>+1 I to base stats (total at 6)
>+1 I for unit on charge (total at 7)
>+1 Initiative on charge from LA rules (total at 8)
>+1 initiative in challenge from LA rules (I 9)
>+1 initiative in challenge from a charnabal sabre (I 10)

>>48116706
Where do the first two come from

>>48116536
It's their resilience combined with power fists and jump packs then. Ok.
>>48116640
>I2
Dunno. Thallax augmentation is awesome fluff though. Brutal af.
>>48116652
Regular humans are I3 (and up to I4). Even MaSade has quicker reflexes, and he's as old as regular humans go.
As for whether or not space marines are inhuman, I guess you're right on that one.
>>48116749
+1 from chargeing, +1 in duels. Both from their LA rule.

What legion looks best out of the box from B@C?

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Other than preferring one model over another, is there any real reason to take legion basilisks over legion medusas? I'm trying to build an Iron fire list and I want a reason to run the less common basilisk vs the ubiquitous medusa.

>>48116749
FW character creation and/or upgrade rules for campaigns. Also leads to the hilarious outcome of phoenix guards striking at I 8 on the charge. Fulgrim is apparently just above average in terms of speed compared to some members of his legion.

In case you missed it last thread, BaC is getting discontinued and the units are getting re-boxed for double the price

grab it while you can.

>>48116816
Longer range?

Basilisks seem like they're meant for huge tables as their range can't go beneath 36". Medusa has that AP 2 though.

>>48116936
Thank god i got lucky and got two boxes for a third of the prize recently.
Any reasons given why they are discontinuing them ?

>>48117216
>range can't go beneath 36"
I'm pretty sure they can fire direct no?

>>48116816
>>48117216
To add onto that, Medusas are going to be very close to the opponent's units with 36" range. If the meta runs lots of drop pods, Medusa. If the meta doesn't get past the table within two turns, Basilisk.

>>48117216
iirc, the 36'' minimum applies to indirect fire. Direct fire doesn't have the same minimum.

>>48117257
Most likely theyre making room for another box later this year

Theyre probably going to build up a HH plastic range in this way, with a few single kit releases (plastic spartan/typhon) thrown in along the way

>>48117309
Makes sense i suppose. Still sucks for those that wants a buttload of MKIV armour and egg-naughts

>>48117351
True, and the rumored prices dont look good either

>Mk IV Tactical Squad- $50
>Cataphractii Terminator Squad- $60
>Contemptor-Pattern Dreadnought- $55
>Space Marine Legion Heroes- $50

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>>48117381
>mfw those prizes
Fucking hell man

>>48117381
Those are on par with the canadian prices for the current stuff.

>>48117381

So what is that in Aussiebucks?

>>48117454
a little over double what a BaC box costs there now

>>48117309
>plastic
oh god no I dont need any more 40k players showing off their unpainted 40k space marine legions

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So I had a thought just a few minutes ago. Some legionaries lived with other legions, and I was wondering what would a World Eater living with the Emperor's Children turn out as? Would he learn how to fence? Would he insist that his chainaxe is his fencing axe? The Bearversor's ancestors are completely unrelated.

>>48117465
fuck off, plastics are good for my wallet and good for growing the community

Calth has grown the HH scene at the local shop hugely (from 5 guys to around 15) and only maybe 2 are WAACfags

completely worth it.

>>48117490
The community doesn't need growth if it's going to be children like you.

>>48117527
>Being an elitist over little army guys

Ok

You have fun with that, I have to get ready for a recreation of Isstvan V apocalypse game in 2 weekends. Gotta get fulgrim and his guard painted up

>>48117381
>Those prices
Might as well just buy a Strike Force from FW then, at least that way I'll get some cool upgrade bits.


Or continue work on my IG and run them as Militia.

>>48117547
>Gotta get fulgrim and his guard painted up
Not the guy you were talking to, but mind showing us what you got?

>>48117487
Some one needs to write a story about the WE who lived with the EC, set at his return to his legion prior to Istvaan.

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>>48117787
I sort of want to give it a go as the nitwit who had the thought in the first place. Should Axe Fencer be a specialist or just an average joe WE?

>>48117851
If an specialist, then he should be a melee one. Maybe a champion?
Why was he seconded to the EC in the first place?

>>48117490
yeah i cant wait for little billy and his half built space wolfs and power gamer phil and his commissioned iron warrior to play a friendly game at my local warhammer ™ store ™

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>>48117882
>If an specialist, then he should be a melee one. Maybe a champion?
That can work.
>Why was he seconded to the EC in the first place?
From what I know 1k Sons captains had to live with other legions to complete their training, but I don't think the WEs would do the same for their marines. I was thinking that maybe Axe Fencer just got left behind on accident and got stuck with the EC.

>>48117983
>>48117490
You both have valid points

>>48117989
>I was thinking that maybe Axe Fencer just got left behind on accident and got stuck with the EC.
Then maybe the EC he fought alongside took note of his skill and requested he tagged along. The WE didn't mind much.
So it ends up being the EC pointing at him and saying "oooh, so that's what a WE is"
?

Is this WE loyal?

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>>48118027
>ooh so that's what a WE is
I keked harder than I should have at this.

>>48117989
I love that pic. Were I to start WE I'm not sure whether I'd go White/Blue or White/Red/Blood.

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>>48118027
>So it ends up being the EC pointing at him and saying "oooh, so that's what a WE is"
?
Thanks for the mental image.
>Is this WE loyal?
I'm not sure actually where I want his loyalty to end. I was thinking that Axe Fencer never had time to consider if he's loyal to Angron or Emps but gets sent down to get Virus Bombed anyway.

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So how are Ursarax these days? I know they got a points increase in the red book and with the synergy Vorax get with Legio Cybernetica (and the new Arlatax/Homonculex) they don't seem quite as cool as they used to. That said... their models finally came out and they're bitchin'. I want to get some but I don't want to regret it. The coolest looking models still make me sad if they just get shot off the table every game before they get to do their jobs, and my fear is that Ursarax are going to have exactly that problem since they're only T5 and 4+/5+++.

Also, I'm assuming you always give them Power Fists since they're only I2? Seems pointless to use Lightning Claws when all the things they'd want to kill are I4 anyway, and PFs give ID against those same targets. On the plus side it looks like the models actually have the option for either weapon on every model in the set for once so I may just look into magnetizing them.

>>48118089

They seem decent, I am just waiting for those sexy Volterex to come out.

I want to see their rules.

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>>48118139
>Volterex
Is that what these things are called now?

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>>48118087
>I'm not sure actually where I want his loyalty to end. I was thinking that Axe Fencer never had time to consider if he's loyal to Angron or Emps but gets sent down to get Virus Bombed anyway.
Aight, loyalties don't matter to this eater of worlds: he's pissed and it was Angron who did it, and he won't shy away from teaching what "left-behind-picked-up-by-ECs-and-then-bombed" pattern pissed means, is that so?
Maybe he was too busy hanging around with his EC buddies (that's how he arrived to Istvaan) that he couldn't sate his need for retribution from his gene sire, that'd explain how he didn't end up like pic related?

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>>48118186
Yeah that can work.

>>48117487
>what would a World Eater living with the Emperor's Children turn out as?
The WS 9 World eater special character you could build.

In all seriousness my guess would be some sort of aggressive finesse. EC were known for using axes too, they used any nice weapons, so aesthetically I imagine he would be a World Eater with some more fancy looking armour and some sort of fancy power axe as a paragon blade. His behavior IMO would end up being something like an aspect warrior, outside of battle he is surprisingly calm, intelligent, and cultured, perhaps taking up art like many of the EC do but in battle his war face goes on and he is a savage killer, still as intelligent and clever as before but now his intelligence is dedicated towards combat, noticing the weaknesses in an opponent and taking them apart bit by bit.

>>48117547
>responding just to call people elitists

>>48117989
>I don't think the WEs would do the same for their marines
A lot of legions seconded marines to other legions, Sigismund spent time with the World Eaters. I imagine it might have been something like a cultural exchange.
>Horus introducing Angron to Fulgrim
>Neither of them like each other, Angron thinks Fulgrim is a bitch, Fulgrim thinks Angron is a dumb savage
>Fuck it, each of you swap 16th company captains or whatever for five years, maybe you can learn a lesson about friendship or something

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>>48118288
I was thinking that to him the whole bloodlust chainaxe to the face philosophy is just a tool to get his job done. The job being the Great Crusade.
>>48118327
Didn't Amit also spend time with the World Eaters?

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>>48118288
>Alright, you can move around and pack a devilish riposte, but that rusty axe will do you no good. *Grabs the axe* You call this "Master crafted"? Ohohoho, good heavens no dahhling! I think we could lend you some weapons from the surplus armory *Opens a door containing weapons like pic describes*
>"Grrrr"
>Suure, you can attach that filthy chain to them as well

>>48118359
>the whole bloodlust chainaxe to the face philosophy is just a tool to get his job done
Sure but at the end of the day it is probably faster and easier to just parry a blow and behead your enemy with a single blow when he is open over hacking away mindlessly until you get a lucky hit.

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>>48118449
True but to this World Eater his chainaxe is the all purpose multi-tool. It's his wrench, his hammer, his TV remote, his plunger, his spork, his fishing pole, his marriage counseling tool, and xeno remover. All it depends on how he uses it.

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>>48118503

>>48118503
So EC would fine him a fancy chainaxe, one that's AP 2 or rending or some shit. They might even give him the chainaxe equivalent of a charnabal sabre.

>>48118503
>All it depends on is
Fixed.
>>48118514
Exactly this or for a more hilarious mental image a chainaxe that's basically a Swiss Army knife.
>>48118533
>They might even give him the chainaxe equivalent of a charnabal sabre.
Why not just pimp his axe to make the chainaxe equivalent of a charnabl sabre?

>>48118569
>Why not just pimp his axe to make the chainaxe equivalent of a charnabl sabre?
His axe is doomed to look like shit. Better start from scratch. Every EC needs to learn arts, the transfer students can learn weapons manufacturing, he can make his own chainaxe from scratch.

Or he could just use a paragon blade and a pair of falax swords. Hard to get more weeaboo than running around with more than two swords plus it means he could get up to 9 attacks on the charge (granted they are AP 5 rending attacks but for practicality he still has the paragon blade).

This is what I am having done for my Death Guard now. I still need to order support vehicles dreads and flyers. I do not think I need more infantry. What all should I add? I am thinking 3 spartans, 2 sicarans, 1 flyer of some kind, 6 rhinos, 4 more contemptors, a derdeo. For superheavies I am thinking fellblade and typhon. Should I get more leviathans?

mortarion
10 grave warden
10 deathshroud
10x lascannon marines
Leviathan Dreadnought (phosphex discharger, heavy flamers 1 drill 1 claw)
9x Space Marine Rapier Quad Mortar
Space Marine Apothecary Set
Cataphracti Terminators x10 loaded with plasma and a few chainfists
calth box chaplain turned into Durak Rask
calth box chaplain turned into praetor with chainfist and paragon blade
calth box contemptor 2 kheres
calth box contemptor 2 fist
10x autocannon marines
10x heavy flamer marines
38x marines with boltor, pistol, cc weapon
2x sergeants
6 flamer marines
6 melta marines
6 plasma marines

>>48118645
I was thinking about him just having the following.
>Paragon blade in the shape of a chainaxe
>secondary and redundant chainaxe that's just an ordinary chainaxe in case of emergencies
>ornate combat knifes made space ivory
Haven't thought of what to give him as a gun.

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>>48118645
>>48118798
>His axe is doomed to look like shit
Looks are a factor...are you going to draw it? For all we know we could imagine a "charnabal weapon" axe instead of the stricter charnabal sabre, the same way if happens to Paragon blades.
Pic related only exists on ant size, I'm afraid, but it's aptly named.

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>>48118830
That right there is fine even if it's for ants.

I think the set up of the story should be that our WE is returning home and he's all like "great I can't wait to get back to my legion and away from those soft ECs and fighting wars like a proper astartes again." And he gets back and all the World Eaters are like "When did Captain Eidred "Blood clot" Kaxxur become such a fucking dandy? And wtf is a fencing axe?"

>>48119051
We could have both scenarios if we want to, as in, Kaxxur Fencingpants finally reaching surviving WEs after Istvaan and then they barely recognize him (as he's no longer caked in blood all the fucking time)
>Just because it has a handle doesn't mean you NEED to use it as a club, Axton! Don't make it like you don't know what a fucking parry is!

>>48119051
>When did Captain Eidred "Blood clot" Kaxxur
And now I have a name for this git.
>become such a fucking dandy? And wtf is a fencing axe?"
It's a weapon for a civilized marine.

>>48118089
>only T5 and 4+/5++
>forgetting W3
>only

>>48117381
Them dollarydoos prices will hit ya right in the kangaroo pouch.
Crikey.
It's not much better in burger tickets unfortunately.

How do you feel about Dynat leading a group of Firedrakes?

Ally rules dont matter in Apocalypse right? So I could have Alpharius, Fulgrim, Angron, Lorgar and Mortarion all jump out of a Spartan.

>>48119704

That would have to be one of the most awkward rides ever.

>>48119704
That Spartan better be fit with clown car logic.

>>48119717
>Lorgar get your foot out of my face
>I am Alpharius
>REEEEE too close
>Shut the fuck up Angron
>I am Alpharius
>Holy fuck who farted?
>I am Alpharius
>Learn to fucking hold it in Mortarion
>I am Alpharius
>If you don't shut up Alpharius I swear to god I will rape you with my daemon sword while Eiodolon shoves his hammer down your throat
>I am Alpharius

>>48119721

Transport Capacity 25. Primarchs are Very Bulky. It could definitely fit them all in, though I'd hate to be there for that. Morty would stink the place out, Angron just gets tetchy when in confined spaces, Fulgrim would complain about them mussing up his armour, and fucks knows what Alpharius would be doing.

>>48119830
Alpharius would be jammed in between Morty, Lorgar, and Angron and rethink his life choices.

>>48119830
>>48119880
I thought he'd be driving the Spartan

>>48119893

Actually all the Primarchs are Alpharius. Alpharius is also the Driver.

And the Spartan.

>>48119704
>>48119717
>>48119721
>>48119819
>>48119830
>not taking a mastadon with 8 primarchs
If your going to run a primarch clown car, you can't half ass it. You got to go as big as you can

>>48119914

>Not taking 9 Primarchs in a Stormbird
We must go bigger!

>>48119893
Well trying to drive the Spartan. Mortarion's BO would make sure that using the air condition would make it worse.
>>48119914
But then it wouldn't be a true clown car.

>>48119704
"I noticed none of you dickheads asked if I wanted a ride in the clown car."

-Perturabo

>>48119960
>Well I'll just make my own robot clown cars! With blackjack and hookers!

>>48119960
>Perty deep strikes after everyone is off the clown car
>Damn it! Who invited this nerd over here! NO ONE, GET OUT PERTY!
>I-I thought someone forgot to invite me..Maybe it got lost in the mail..

>>48119960
Perturbo can ride in the stormbird.
The sky is the best place to see who needs to be decimated. And with 9 primarchs, we can have girlyman there to lecture him about he shouldn't waste men. When he's not lecturing someone else on the flaws in there tactics.
I'd imagine that whenever he hears "I am alpharius" he'd go on a long rant about how that isn't "honorable" or whatever it was he didn't like about the alpha legion

what are you guys working on tonight. I'm trying to make my Imperial Fists look less like shit but I'm thinking yellow on a black primer was the worst decision I've made in 2016 so far.

>>48120078


Yeah you have an uphill battle with yellow on black.

Yellow on tan primer is criminally easy though

>>48119960
>"So I made myself a custom Stormbird, and you're not invited either!"

>"Huh? What do you mean Dorn already did that? I hate you and your stupid yellow Imperial Fists, Dorn!"

Where is the boop poster saying
>DONT WORRY PAPA PERT, YOU CAN RIDE WITH US
>NOT REALLY, BUT CARDIO IS GOOD FOR YOU.

Y'know, all this talk of legions really has me wondering this one question. I know I'll probably end up never playing this game as I have no FLGS, the nearest GW is four hours away, and all my friends are either poorfags or not interested in 40/30k, but how do the Iron Warriors and Word Bearers play? After thinking about the legions I like and would paint, it's come down to those two and I'd like to know how they are on the tabletop. All I know is that Word Bearers are pretty good at melee and can make everyone that's important a psyker, and the Iron Warriors love Beep-Boops and being Shooty.

Sorry for the blog-post.

>>48120345
What's your area? Maybe try using the opponent finders on forums.

Hey folks, I'm just getting into 30k and I've picked myself up the BaC box. I'm not sure if I want to build all 30 as Veteran Tacticals, vanilla Tacticals, or some combination of the two. Any advice, preferred loadouts, etc?

>>48120463
I prefer Vets

>More efficient
>Less of a tax
>Expensive for a 10 man unit but can definitely pack a punch
>Multiple purposes to do whatever it is you want them to do

>>48120462
Northern Bakersfield, anon. The closest GW according to their official site is about 90 miles away, and the two LGS near me don't stock 40k stuff anymore, and one of them is more of a gamestore than anything else, with the /tg/ stuff in the back and about two tables mtg players use regularly.

>>48120648
damn, some dude making my sandwich today told me that the only time he's been to a strip club was in bakersfield. I told him bakersfield strippers don't count.

>>48120463
Magnets in the wrists. Use as whatever.

>>48120763
Nothing in bakersfield counts except for the country music, anon.

And Merle Haggard died this year too.

Seriously, I'd leave if not for the fact that my friends and family are here, and the other fact that I know I'd probably not leave anyways.

So /hhg/, what Space Marine legion and Primarch are you?

https://www.quotev.com/quiz/474091/Which-of-the-Space-Marine-First-Founding-Chapters-best-suits-you

https://www.quotev.com/quiz/1334826/What-40K-Primarch-are-you-most-like

>>48120956
I am most like Sanguinius, and I am a Blood Angel.

>>48118764
Any input?

>>48120648
Closest I know of to Bakersfield is a pretty thriving community in Ventura and Orange, sorry anon.

>>48121371
It's alright. Now I just need to order a couple BaC boxes before GW discontinues them, because one of my friends was interested in starting up a Carcharodons or Raven Guard army and since his birthday was coming up soon, I felt like doing something nice for him, y'know? Gotta help out my /pol/lack Venezuelan manlet friend. I was thinking of getting the Devastation force, but FW has them at Last Chance last I checked, might not be there anymore.

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got my airbrush sorted out and did a batch of models to test doing apex highlighting

shaves a lot of time off trying to layer and blend the purple

>>48121408
Is apex the same as zenithal? They're looking pretty good.

>>48120462
I'm down in San Diego. If the nearest GW is the Rancho Penasquitos one you're not missing anything. It's a shitty one man store. Sorry to hear your alone anon

+++ Martian Campaign List (2500pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1250pts) ++

+ HQ (230pts) +

Sigismund (230pts)

+ Troops (480pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (270pts) [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour]

Templar Brethren (210pts) [4x Combat Shield, 4x Templar Brethren]
Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet]

+ Elites (110pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (110pts)
Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour]
Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour]

+ Fast Attack (430pts) +

Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (100pts)

Phalanx Warder Squad (330pts) [Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox, 9x Phalanx Warder, 2x Plasma gun]
Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [Loyalist, VII: Imperial Fists]

++ Questoris Knight Crusade Army (Allied Detachment) (1250pts) ++

+ HQ (420pts) +

Lord Scion (420pts)
Questoris Knight Warden [Occular Augmetics, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]

+ Troops (330pts) +

Scion Martial (330pts)
Questoris Knight Gallant [Meltagun]

+ Heavy Support (500pts) +

Scion Arbalester (500pts)
Questoris Knight Crusader [Meltagun, Rapid-fire battlecannon and Heavy Stubber, Stormspear rocket pod]

Decided to do more infantry in my faggy knight list. I feel like having infantry and shields charging up followed by Knights is kinda fluffy. Sigismund in the Dreadclaw with Templars but other than that I was going for foot slogging.

>>48120956
Salamanders, Mortarion.

>>48121746
Oh and the apothecaries go with the Phalanx Warders and Tactical blob. Maybe I should make it 15 Tacticals and 15 Warders ...I dunno. Might place another FW order this week because I saved so much money staying home with my cat this weekend

>>48120956
>Sons of Horus
>Lion El'Jonson

Most of the Primarchs are bulky, only Horus, Ferrus, Vulkan, Morty and Perty are very bulky.
So they take 31 spaces total.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10663447

>>48120956
>Sanguinius
>Raven Guard

>>48121820

For the Emperor. Avenge the slain dream of Man.

>>48121820
Needs more traitors.

What is the point of terminator armour on Praetors?

Youre paying 10 points more for less loadout options and no sweeping advance. Or in tartaros, a worse invuln. Artificer with Iron Halo just seems like the best option

>>48122023
It probably is. Not that I'd know. I only run named characters 90% of the time.

>>48121834
Someone like jumppacks

>>48122023
Deepstrike with the right RoW.
Chainfist

>>48115414
Scoria belongs in 1250 and even 500 points armies. Especially in 500 pts zone mortalis.

>>48118156
No, that's just incompetence on the Facebook team.

They're called Vultarax Stratos-Automata. People misspell them Vulturax, like vulture, so that one is understandable, but the FB people just fucked it up entirely with Vulterex.

Remember Ursurax/Ursarax?

>>48122023
Not all of us play just to find the most efficient per-point combinations. Terminator armor looks badass.

And having characters on smaller bases than their squad seems... wrong.

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>>48122973
Finally, a reason to post this!

>>48122023
Cheaper paragon blade
More bodies for SoH and NL rules

>>48122986
Jesus christ

>>48122946
>new ZM scenario
>escape from Scoria and his blobs of tech-thralls

>>48117381
Thank the primordial truth I ordered my box before this.

>>48120956
Rowboat and the Night Lords. Weird combo.

>>48123149

Basic run down:

>Scorias player writes down where in the ZM board he will deploy, keeps note on hand
>Scorias player controls door placement during deployment phase, can open and close them at will and may place x number of tarantula turrets, and may declare x number of locations where techthralls/murder servitors will spawn
>Opposing player must attempt to evacuate as many units as possible from one side of the board to the other

Other mechanics

>When a unit passes through a corridor that would otherwise give them line of sight of scoria, he is immediately revealed, this mechanic is also used for tech thralls/murder servitors
>Two (or more) control terminals are placed randomly on the board, if a friendly model with the battlesmith rule is within 3" of the terminal they gain control of all doors and turrets not within 12" of Scoria
>A unit with an augury scanner within 12" of Scoria/Tech Thralls will be notified that their is "something in that corrider"

The point being that Scoria manipulates the board to separate and stymie the loyalist units and either pick them apart at his leisure or bog them down cutting through doors

>>48123259
That actually sounds pretty fun and fits his origin story where he gets released from prison and takes over the entire installation.

>>48123259
Sounds pretty spooky.

>>48121401
>Gotta help out my /pol/lack Venezuelan manlet friend
If he's Venezuelan then you'd better send him food and soap. I think not even africans are as hungry as those guys are right now. But that's a thing for /pol/.
>>48123269
The loyalists learned a harsh lesson that day:
The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend

I have nine scimitar jet bikes ready to assemble for my space wolves, but at this point I don't know anymore if I should go ahead and get them painted or shelve my entire heresy project until Inferno in six months.

>>48115414
What does Ferrum Honore Veniat mean`?

>>48124833
I think I'll shove magnets in the rider's asses that way if I need to strip the paint and start a chogogo brotherhood it'll be easy

>>48124833

>six months

Anon, don't post those kinds of words.

>>48124901
Do it

We have power glaives and cataphractii that do parkour

>>48124833
Nine scimitars? Recasts or are you a drug dealer?

>>48120956
>space wolves
well what the fuck

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>>48124889
From Honour cometh Iron
>"From iron cometh strength! From strength cometh will! From will cometh faith! From faith cometh honour! From honour cometh iron!" —Unbreakable Litany

I just finished mechanicum, whats the difference between skitarii and protectors?

they seem to fill the same purpose?

>>48125187

They are both trash that died while failing to protect the loyalist shit tier waifu known as Koriel Zeth.

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>>48125187
Skitarii, at the time, were the martian army, protectors are private guard.

>>48125001
my planned chogorian brotherhood is 13 jetbikes, 14 outriders and one of each sicaran tank.

White Scars are the death of my wallet.

>>48125459
My FLGS manager pointed out I'm spending more money on GW bikes and FW parts, but I don't give a shit MkIV is pleb-tier armour

But I'm more than happy to use GW rhino's because I'm also a raging hypocrite

>>48125513
I know that feel. Here's the army I mentioned >>48125459


White Scars: Chogorian Brotherhood (1745/1750)
HQ
Centurion-Delegatus (130)
- Bike, artificer armor, refractor field, MC power glaive, melta bombs

Centurion-Librarian (165)
- ML 2, jetbike, force axe, melta bombs

TROOPS
Jetbikes x9 (410)
Volkite Culverins x3

Jetbikes x3 (160)
Multi Melta, Melta Bombs

Outriders x9 (335)
Sarge, glaive, melta bomb
3x power axes

Outriders x3 (180)
Melta Guns x3, Melta Bombs

HEAVY SUPPORT
Sicaran Battle Tank (175)
Lascannons

Sicaran Venator (190)

Delegatus goes with the big Outrider blob, gets stuck in close combat.

Librarian goes with the big Sky Hunter blob, rolls Divination and they shoot things to hell with re-rolling 21 heavy bolters and 12 S6 volkites. Could get full BS overwatch, 4++, or curse a target to be Rended depending on discipline luck. The big win would be Misfortune, but most of the other powers are fine too.

The small Outriders and Sky Hunters chase after vehicles and make themselves annoying. And turbo their way to an objective at the end.

The Sicarans are fast so ignore the ROW penalties, and they do what they must do.

So it's basically an incredibly fast army where everyone is T5, half of them are Sv 2, and there's fast Av 13.

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Does anybody know how the marines in the pic are painted?

Forgeworld didn't give me an answer :(

>>48126411
like shit

>>48126411
Really gets me how the WB got sadboi after Monarchia and resolved to be a good little legion and part of that was copying the colour scheme of an actual legion.

>>48126411
The GW studio did those Calth marine bundles. Email them

>>48126726
Wat?

That was the color scheme of the Serrated Suns chapter, who ventured into the Eye of Terror and what was left of them became Gal Vorbak.

>>48126411
I want to see the weathered stone with the colchis runes paint scheme from before the Legion went derp Chaos.

>>48124471
Nah mate, he moved here like just before we started highschool, I was one of his first American friends. He says he's glad his dad could get them out back then, because now the place is a mess.

>>48127045
But that looks like Space Wolves.

Poor Word Bearers can't catch a break.
>Be Space Wolves
>Change to red, Blood Angels and Thousand Sons mock your shit
Well they do catch a break 10,000 years later being one of the few legions to still exist in a cohesive* manner.

*relatively

>>48126411
>Blue eyes

Anyways, just try emailing them again, unless they said that they couldn'f tell you for some odd reason, they usually will.

>>48127121
Nah nah nah, the stone gret with runes on it looks pretty dope man O.O look at the iconoclasts on fw for referece.

>>48126411
FW make up your minds! Do they have Bkue eyes or Green eyes!?

>>48127227
GW did that not FW.

>>48127251
Anon, that's literally from FW's Upgrade Set pack page. Not GW.

>>48127278
Those were painted by GW employees when B@C came out because the FW folks did not have time to paint all that stuff in time by themselves. That's why the painting is very, very weird. Look at the Thousand Sons.

Yes, FW employees don't get shit ahead of time for some bizarre reason.

>>48127322
Where does it say that? I also doubt that because they are painted very differently as compared to GW's pics at their BaC page.

>>48127385
No, if you take a look at the sets on FW for the legion bundles with B@C, it clearly shows a different paint style than what FW has, the matte Alpha Legion is the biggest example of this. GW did all of the apint jobs for Calth because FW is a little stupid when it comes to this shit

>>48127448
Y'know, I can kind of see where you're going with this, but I've also seen pics on FW's site where the colorschemes are slightly different as well.

Really, a slight change in the colorscheme in a pic isn't enough for me to see it as proof.

You guys are acting like little color scheme details were standardized.

>>48127685
Exactly. I don't understand why the other anon was claiming it was GW painted just because the color schemes were slightly different.

>>48127685
But anon, surely a galaxy spanning war effort would have some uniformity, surely. The idea that you could have troopers in wildly different shades and details if ghastly to even think about. It's like painting your WW2 Brits with the wrong shade of OD. Poppycock!

Rate my list /HHG/

2.5k Day of Revelations BA list

Praetor
>iron halo
>perdition blade
>jump pack
>digi lasers

Centurion
>perdition blade
>jump pack
>artificer armour

10 Assault marines
>power fist sergeant
>two power axes

10 Assault marines
>power fist sergeant
>two power axes

Contemptor cortus
>chainfist
>dual grav guns
>dedicated transport dreadnought drop pod

Contemptor cortus
>chainfist
>dual grav guns
>dedicated transport dreadnought drop pod

Leviathan
>phosphex
>ceramite
>siege drill
>titty assault cannons
>dedicated transport dreadnought drop pod

5 Tartaros terminators
>chainfist
>assault cannon
>dedicated transport dreadclaw

5 Tartaros terminators
>chainfist
>assault cannon
>dedicated transport dreadclaw

2 javelin land speeders
>2 assault cannon
>two twin linked lascannons

Assault marines sure are difficult to build a list around.

>>48127937
More Jump packs.

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Is there any Legion specific unit that is just so good, not taking them with Rewards of Treason available is a serious waste of a RoW? Only a unit with Interceptor would convince me, and AFAIK no unique unit has that capability.

>>48127981
depends on how the rest of your list looks and what it lacks, from shooty tooty AT with Iron havocs or stabby melee gits with... well to many units to count; why is it that so many legion unique units are melee units?

>>48127954
I'm really not sold on the assault marines. They're so expensive and so vulnerable when they deep strike. Previous iterations of the list had two meaty blocks of 20 each but I wanted to see how a list relying less on the assault marines would work.

>>48128064
>>48127937
+ HQ (425pts) +

Legion Chaplain
>Artificer Armour
>Blade of Perdition
>Boarding Shield
>Jump Pack
>Melta Bombs

Legion Chaplain
>Artificer Armour
>Blade of Perdition
>Boarding Shield
>Jump Pack
>Melta Bombs

Legion Delegatus
>Artificer Armour
>Blade of Perdition
>Boarding Shield
>Jump Pack
>Master crafted bolt pistol

+ Troops (1110pts) +

15-man Legion Assault Squad
>3x Power Weapon
>sergeant with power fist

15-man Legion Assault Squad
>3x Power Weapon
>sergeant with power fist

15-man Legion Assault Squad
>3x Power Weapon
>sergeant with power fist

+ Elites (480pts) +

Contemptor-Cortus
>Chainfist
>dual graviton guns
>dedicated transport dreadnought drop pod

Contemptor-Cortus
>Chainfist
>dual graviton guns
>dedicated transport dreadnought drop pod

+ Fast Attack (100pts) +

Javelin Land Speeder
>assault cannon
>twin linked lascannon
>2 hunter killer missiles

+ Heavy Support (385pts) +

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought
>phosphex
>siege drill
>ceramite
>dual assault cannons

Second try

>>48127937

Seems pretty brutal, I like it

Only thing I might change would be the leviathan, drop the phosphex and take two storm cannons instead

throwing out 20 dice the turn you drop is going cause something to have a while lot of problems

>>48128268
>Almost 500 points on HQ

Eesh, that's half your troops points. Maybe instead of a third assault you could get a 20-Man to rake in some of that AI fire?

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*Muffled Bauhaus emanating from land raider*

>>48128530
I thought the hatred and double wound blade would be worth, each squad gets a perdition blade.

>>48128606
Love it.

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>>48128606

>>48127685
Because people are stuck in their M41 chapter mindset and new players don't even read the FW books for lore anymore.

>>48128895
It M41 mindset has been with some us for a while. I'm so used to mk7 and Indominatus that seeing the 30k armors was refreshing, but still so alien. The Dark Millennium calls for me.

Is there any good alternatives for chain fists, other than a powerfist with a chainsaw or that cataphractii underarm chainsaw? I'd like something more like an eviscerator or a bit chainaxe. Problem is that FW seems to think a chainaxe on a terminator is a power axe, so I can't use one of those without someone complaining.

>>48128948
chaos lord chainfist

>>48128974
That's just a powerfist with a chainsaw. I'm looking something handheld, instead of attached to the arm.

>>48128941
That's fine, but new players need to understand that a lot of those restrictions don't exist in the Horus Heresy and FW have gone out of their way to stress that. There is no "correct" color scheme or representation of rank or specific honors. There are instead, dozens, if not hundreds of variations of each that can vary across company or batallion (not to mention the existence of batallion), let alone chapter or legion.

>>48128948

Mega Nob killsaws maybe?

>>48120956
Iron Hands and Magnus the Red

>>48129067
I think the Dark Millennium has its claws slunk too deep into them. I'm wondering why they aren't checking the FW books for this. Could be worse though. They could be so out of touch with the lore that they think the Codex Astartes is a thing for the Legions.

>>48125236
>Only person who could have brought science and reason back to the Imperium
>Shit tier

This is why the Traitors suck.

>>48128948
>Is there any good alternatives for chain fists
I use bigass chainswords to represent eviscerators. Rules wise they are the same except one is a specialist weapon and one is two handed and I figure a terminator should be able to use an eviscerator with one hand if an unarmoured sororitas can use it with two hands.

>>48129217
My fantasy was for the Great Crusade to run its course, Mankind safe from xenos, Then the Emperor would insight an extremely well planned civil war with the Mechanicum using the element of surprise with the full might of the legions and Imperial Army using both closet-sane Martian Adepts like Zeth as well as Emperor-trained scientists to replace the Mechanicus and remove religion and monopoly over technology in one fell swoop.

>>48129307
Your fantasy sounds boring. Successful crusade is the most boring setting imaginable, it is like star trek without aliens or social problems.

>>48127981


None really. Some people love Mor Deythen but there isn't necessarily any must have unit, it's nice though because it lets you fill in the gaps in your army list very efficiently if you build for it.

Also you get Tyrant Terminators as Elites and Phoenix Guard with counter charge and Preferred Enemy (Everything), so it's not hard to make your opponents hella jelly

>>48129282
Well, you can have a model with a two-handed weapon and a shield, so it's not like the weapon physically needs two hands. Likewise some single-handed weapons are held by two hands on some models.

>>48129351
Good

>>48129217

The bitch let tons of of pskyers dies because she was too fucking busy to recheck the amount of holy energy going through them. Despite the objections of her lead manager.

Shit tier.

At least Kelbor-Hal was pioneering new frontiers of science.

can somebody sell me on Phalanx Warders and/or why I shouldn't just run them as Breachers with pimpin' shields? I just spent half an hour giving the pieces a bath and I still have no clue how to build them. My idea was: Sgt with Power Fist, 2 Melta Guns, Vexilla, No Axes

>>48129960

You shouldn't run phalanx warders, they are only kind of worth it when running the Stone Gauntlet, but only 1 attack and have to give up their shooting to gain a real CCW, and once you do that they cost only 5pts less then a terminator, who will have more attacks, a shooting attack, and a better armour and invul save

>>48129960
>>48130203
They're better for ZM or just fun games. I've seen 15 in a spartan with polux in the Stone Gauntlet wreak havoc with some breaching charges. It's unexpected.

>>48130203
>>48130234
Ok I'm convinced. I probably won't have enough breachers to run a legit stone gauntlet unless they release plastic ones later this year. so now my question is: what do with 10 breachers? I've obviously got my knights, can I use a tactical blob and 10 breachers as a footslogging bubblewrap? or would I need at least 15 breachers with an apothecary before it isn't utter shit?

>>48129351
I agree it'd be a little dull, and I don't like the thought of wiping out even more xenos races, but this future would've had its share of social problems.

The Emperor's project, as I understand it, would have required wiping out the Navigators and Astropaths after completing the Webway and convincing Magnus to sit in the chair that powered one of its nexuses for all time. At this time I assume the Edict of Nikea would've been upgraded to "kill all marines with psychic potential." For humanity's sake (as in humane-ness, not the species) you hope there'd be resistance.

Then it'd be time to get rid of the last god standing, the Omnissiah. What is the Mechanicum without its religion and superstition? Not much, so it's full-on civil war against the people who make all your weapons. How do the legions with close ties to the Mechanicum react? Do starships, tanks, and bolters have machine spirits capable of rebelling? We find out! (It might just be secret programming installed by the Mechanicum as a failsafe.) Enjoy your marine-on-titan action. Maybe the darker elements in the Mechanicum resort to bringing back AI as the galaxy crumbles around them, introducing a new long-term problem.

I know it wouldn't be popular, but the C'Tan would get involved (honestly that's the one piece of OldCron fluff that I kinda liked).

I wonder if post-Mechanicum industry would be as dirty. That mess of pollution and its terrible living conditions fits 40k's grimdark, but doesn't really fit the atmosphere of a successful Great Crusade.

>>48130347
Other way round. The webway wouldn't have required wiping out the navigators and astropaths, Emps just wanted to do that because he fucking hates psykers and building a webway would mean he doesn't need them any more.

>>48130295
How many names are you going to go through?
>>48130347
>get rid of Astropaths
Just because you have the Webway doesn't mean you can just send a postman to every planet in the Imperium.
>all time
Until Magnus went full metal Magnus Emps handled the throne.
>kill all marines with psychic potential
Why?
>Why do machines rebel
>fail safe by the AdMech
That there is wrong. At first Machine Spirits were servitor brains with PTSD, but now they're actual souls.

why are banestrike such shit "special snowflake" rounds, jesus christ alpha legion, maybe the rounds weren't in normal circulation because they were total shit compared to the objectivly superior scorpius round. at least give it real rending and shred FW, the difference should be in range and rapid fire, but I will suck dirty dirty brittish cock for assault 2 or 3 shots instead.

>>48130347
You are assuming the emperor wanted to kill everyone that wasn't him. There was no implication that he intended to purge all psychic marines or the mechanicum and odds are he would have relented on Nikea once chaos had been starved to death while the mechanicum could be slowly modernized since they already viewed him as an avatar of the omnissiah. If the Omnissiah told you "hey you can start making new technology" and all of the mechanicum members alive when the Imperium was founded were dead odds are the mechanicum would have been fine making new tech and slowly being integrated into the Imperium.

>>48130461
not sure what you're talking about dude

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>>48130511
I hope your next game includes old school Carp.

>>48130461
Except it's pretty much straight up said in Path of Heaven that navigators and other such mutants would have been on the cutting floor the very moment webway navigation was completed.

>>48130563
>Astropaths
>Librarians
>mutants
Mortarion, please go.

>>48130409
>>48130461

The Emperor's goals were to seal off humanity from the Warp AND, unrelatedly, to kill all mutants to keep humanity pure. Getting rid of navigators and astropaths serves both goals. I'm sure he would've done it earlier but the price (the collapse of civilization, yet again) would've been too high without the Webway in place.

>>48130483
>There was no implication that he intended to purge all psychic marines or the mechanicum

Not directly, but it's heavily implied that he intended to rid humanity of all psykers. And I don't see how you starve the Warp of belief with billions of (Mechanicum-aligned) people being super-religious and superstitious. If he could starve Chaos without doing those things, why would he bother with the Webway and enforced atheist-rationalist culture?

>>48130543
good thing I don't eat fish

>>48130295

It should probably be explained, if you haven't figured it out already, that most legion troops choices are kind of shit

Tacs are the best of a bad bunch by virtue of having the lowest cost and cheapest transport option, but otherwise lack real upgrade options
Assault squads are very fucking expensive, to the point where a pair of well kitted out squads could run you over 1000pts
Breachs are also just kind of bad, the ability to mix in special weapons and their added survivability is helpful, but their slow, lose melee attacks, cost more then tacticals and aren't any more survivable against weapons that can't pierce their armour (i.e. just about anything a troops choice unit will throw at you)

Your probably better off investing as little as possible into troops so they can effectively hold a position and focus on fighty units, like terminators, jet bikes and tanks

IF are actually positioned pretty well to compensate for the shit troops choices, since your PotL vets are GOAT, with +1 BS sniper bolters/heavy bolters while ignoring pinning

If your heart set on using breachers you could go with min sized squad with a pimped out sergeant and either flamers/graviton guns to be expensive backfield objective campers

>>48130649
>Based forge world will save us from horrible troops with the updated red book
>Breachers drop in cost, get move through cover, get pseudo inv save against AP3 blasts
>Assaults drop in points and all assault-based units such as destroyer, reavers, iconoclasts also drop in points

something the anon above also fails to mention that makes tacticals shine is fury of the legion, since it effectivly doubles the damage output of tacticals compared to the alternatives. so breachers have a shitty invuln and half the shooty tooty compared to a similarly sized tactical squad, while being more expensive.

>>48130347
>>48130409
>>48130461
>wiping out all psykers and astropaths
>not knowing the emperor wanted to bring about the evolution of mankind as the galaxy's most powerful psychic race, turning them all into supermen like him

Hoping for a little input on my Long March SoH list. I have a 2k right now and have expanded it to 3k but looking for feed back first. Thanks in advance.

SoH (2000pts)

Chaplain
Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field

Vigilator
Charnabal Sabre, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field, Scout Armour

Maloghurst the Twisted (The Long March)

Legion Tactical Squad x15
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Extra CCW

Legion Tactical Squad x15
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Extra CCW

Reaver Attack Squad x15
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs,
2x Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon, Jump packs

Cortus Dreadnought
Chainfist, Multi-Melta

Justaerin Terminator Squad
-Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, 2x Chainfist, 5x Combi-Weapons, 3x Lightning claw

Laser Vindy

Chaplain goes with reavers, vigilator scouts a tac squad, Mal goes with the other. I'm undecided on the Justaerin combi weapons still.

>>48130731
I like the list except I would make the Cortus full punchy. It really takes advantage of the rules it has and even costs less points (maybe give it a pair of grav guns too). Also are those melta bombs on the tac squads or the sergeants?

>>48130625
Emps wanted to watch over humanity's psychic evolution.
>>48130642
But do Carp eat Knights? They eat Squats but Knights might be out of their game here. Might have to go full necromantic siege and russle Mortarion in the process.

>>48130830
The Carp would be out of their game I meant. Carp can't do too much to a Knight if the Knight is out of the river.

>>48130806
Only available on the sarge. I figure on using a Calth as a base but I can get another fist for the cortus easily and that'd be pretty good

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Girl I'm talking to asked to see a pic of my WIP dudes. Thought you guys would appreciate her response.

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>>48131145
Continued. Think I'm gonna do a Simple Green bath tonight. For both me and my Fists.

>>48131145
>>48131183
Sounds like my grill

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>>48131145
>>48131183
Your friend made me laugh. Feels good but at the same time bad.

>>48131183
Pretty savage.

>>48131145
>>48131183
If she's your girlfriend, marry her.

If not, ask her out.

Also, I've geard that if you use a black primer, what you need to do is paint a layer of a non-black color, like for example Zandri Dust over the spits where you want it to be yellow. Don't know how true it is, but I've heard it multiple times, so it might be true.

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Now that I've got Dorf Fort in my mind I can't help but feel that Morty's early life was just Adventure mode.
>Barbarus
Clearly a savage evil biome.

>>48131183
Fucking rekt

>>48131145
>you could have just left the spots that you wanted to paint yellow alone

Bitches don't know 'bout my spray primer

>>48130347
>Enjoy your marine-on-titan action
Sie sind das Titan und wir sind die Astartes
>>48131145
>>48131183
Noice
>>48131402
I thought Morty's father kept him as a homeschooled kid, until he fled to fulfill his lifelong dream:
Good Honest Farming.

>>48131534
>I thought Morty's father kept him as a homeschooled kid, until he fled to fulfill his lifelong dream:
>Good Honest Farming.
He did but the thing also brought Morty out to help him krump some rivals.

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So lads, thinking of recasting stuff for myself and what I'm wondering is how chinaman is able to pull off casting things as large as battle tanks.

Anyone have any experience (or proper vids or books) on how to do it properly?

Pounds gone to shit and chinaman is getting pricy, so might as well start bringing the jobs home.

do any of the forgeworld books detail mechanicum fluff like they do the legions? It seems there's just two pages of titan legions in each book..

>>48118764
With the amount of heavy weapons you have I'm slightly surprised you've got no missile marines, doesn't morty make them poisoned and shit?

Or are missiles generally not worth it?

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>>48131562
I always imagined them as field trips or something
>Papa necromancer, are you going to the outside? Can I tag along?
>Sure thing, Morty. Those undead won't raise themselves up, y'know!
I also think Mortarion has a southern accent.

>>48131662
No, that's the Terran Iron Warriors. They're from the Gun Tribes of Sek Amrek, remember?

>>48131662
Now I'm remembering that one Plague Marine that had a Southern accent from the text to speech device. Would that mean that Barbarus was Louisiana in space?
>>48131684
I see them as the Not!Gun Runners.

>>48131684
I know, but I'm talking about their primarch and where he was raised, not about the legion themselves.
For example, the IW are american, but Perturabo was raised (sort of) in the undeniably greek planet of Olympia.

>>48130696
So... drop cost for the dark fury too ?

>>48131562
I get the feeling he had a lot of the creepy uncle thing going on, though he did give Young Mort undead servants and taught him surgery (amongst other things)

>>48131684
The Death Guard were Old Albian, from "soot-blackened castram [fort] cities"
Fuck, were they from Birmingham?

>>48131725
Does Louisiana have mountains? That was the one of the key things about Barbarus, Mountains, along with Swamps, Fog and Undead Psyker Xenos Overlords

>>48131920
>I get the feeling he had a lot of the creepy uncle thing going on, though he did give Young Mort undead servants and taught him surgery (amongst other things)
I bet that was fun?
>Does Louisiana have mountains?
Driskill Mountain.

>>48131952
>I bet that was fun?
Maybe that's why he eventually escaped home.
Sure, he wanted to see the Florida (swamps) around him, but the tipping point was getting the bad touch from the necromancer.

>>48131920
Pretty sure the Terran DG were in fact, from Birmingham in the UK.

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>>48131996
>Sure, he wanted to see the Florida (swamps) around him, but the tipping point was getting the bad touch from the necromancer.
That just makes me pity Morty even more.

>>48132002
Is that why there is a planet Birmingham? Some Terran DG conquered the place and were allowed to name it.

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>>48131952
>I bet that was fun?
Sure sounds it

>>48127025
Serrated Suns got that colour scheme post Monarchia

>>48132079
Yes. It's also a marine chapter world apparently.
>>48132086
Where's Dawnbreaker when you need it?

Are Mortarian and Angron the only primarchs that didn't manage to completely conquer/otherwise gain rulership of their worlds before the emperor arrived?

>>48132163
Yes.

>>48126726
and what legion is that?

>>48131183

Pay attention retards, this woman managed to CROP A PHOTO ON HER PHONE. She is already better than 99% of you fucking morons.

>>48132163
We know precisely jack-dick about Alpharius' planet, but apart from that, yes.

>>48132079
The official description of Birmingham still amuses me - a bit of that old-school GW humour

Death Guard confirmed for having a combination of Brummie and Louisiana accents, except for Typhon, who sounds like Gilbert Gotfried

>>48132227
>Typhon, who sounds like Gilbert Gottfried
I thought that was nurgle's phlegmy-throat-maggots soothing his vocal cords or something disgusting like that.

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>>48132227
Nah, he gets his Gilbert Gottfried voice once he bcomes Typhus the Traveler.

Just look at him, I'd think he'd have a bit of a gravelly vouce that ladies swoon at in movies.

>>48132474
>>48132530
Oh, yeah, that's Nurgle.

Still southern US sounding though, he's from Barbarus

>>48132163
He just had a single warlord left to defeat, and Emps' arrival and subsequent dare forced Morty to try to rush the final boss.
Still, back when he was fighting in the warlord's name his faction did attain supremacy (like with Perty -- Olympia wasn't his, but his adoptive father's, and only kind of), and then had to undo everything when he left.
By the age Morty had finally decided he had endured (oh the irony) enough of the necromancer, Fulgrim however had already saved his world from starvation and enacted the Chemosian renassaince all by himself.

It's a little unfair comparing Morty's "gotta fight the undead under the acid rain" to Fulgrims "I'm tired of being poor" scenario, though.

And then there's "Mugging and Nails for baby shower" Angron. Poor dude.

>>48132575
>Still southern US sounding though, he's from Barbarus
It took 5,500 years for Proto-Indo-European to become Southern US English (and Spanish, Russian, Hindi, a bunch of things in between). Add another 24,500 years to that and it's hard to say that Southern Drawl will exist in M31.

Grammar and vocabulary won't change as quickly (it sounds like they tried to bring back or preserve Latin in this future) but accents do. The stereotypical British accent (to us Americans) is younger than the US is, for example.

>>48130806
Different guy, but here's my Cortus dilemma:
If I give it a Kheres and Chainfist, I can take one Hunter-Killer missile on both of my Javelins. However, for the same points I can go Power/Chainfist and 1 grav gun while keeping my hunter killers. 2 grav guns with powerfists would take one missile away, and to keep the chainfist and have 2 grav guns I'd have to lose the missiles and cut a few points elsewhere. I already have a Contemptor-Mortis with Kheres in the list. What's my best option? Kheres is more shots with rending, could take out a tank in one go potentially, while grav is one haywire blast, but that's one less attack for when it does what it really wants- punching things. It'll be dropping in a pod, too.

>>48132755
>The stereotypical British accent (to us Americans) is younger than the US is, for example.
This. No one I know realized this and when I tell them it either blows their minds or they don't believe it. Iirc, the accent was developed as a fake one to differentiate themselves from the Americans and it evolved from their. I've heard someone say that Shakespeare would've sounded like someone from the south, than a modern brit.

>>48132894
I've heard something similar in that Bostonian English would have sounded closer to the old English accent than the modern English accent.

>>48132755
>>48132894

I've also heard that generic American accents aren't really an accent, but a neutral lack of accent, sort of like how black isn't a color. That's why super British sounding rockstars sound like Americans when they sung and are forced to enunciate in certain ways that get rid of their accent.

>>48132894
>>48132979
And it goes weirder if you go even further back in time. Here's a poem I love:

>Ye knowe eek, that in forme of speche is chaunge
>With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
>That hadden prys, now wonder nyce and straunge
>Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
>And spedde as wel in love as men now do;
>Eek for to winne love in sondry ages,
>In sondry londes, sondry been usages.

—Geoffrey Chaucer, Troilus and Criseyde, Book II

Roughly:
"You know that language changes
over a thousand years, and words that were then in use
now seem strange to us; but they really did talk that way,
and they spoke as eloquently about love as anyone did in any age or country.")

>>48133066
>I've also heard that generic American accents aren't really an accent, but a neutral lack of accent
What do you mean by "generic American accent"?

>>48132894
>Iirc, the accent was developed as a fake one to differentiate themselves from the Americans
Somehow I doubt this - it might apply a little to RP, the old-fashioned "newsreader accent", but there's too many local accents for differentiation from an ex-colony to be a reason.
On the other hand the american accents being closer to older English ones I already had heard of, but that's nothing compared to Quebecois French - the French language has evolved so much everywhere but there

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who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to give a legion 2 deepstrike special units and then a rite of war that restricts deepstriking

>>48133170
Which one is that?

>>48133170
What is the Rite of War you speak of?

>>48133189
>>48133235
logos lectora ultramarines

>>48133307
Wot it do m8, break it down and I'll voice opinion about it being stupid or somesuch.

>>48133307
The 2nd unit would be the Damocles Rhino, right? It's still a pseudo Proteus and packs a nice bombardment. It's as UM exclusive as Dreadclaws are to SoHs: they get better FOC options with them (and 0-2 instead of 0-1).

>>48131890
Furies are fine because they got free Ravens talons with no price increase

Most "fake" accents were real in some small place, but other people started picking it up on purpose. The "Mid-Atlantic" accent that used to be common in American radio and early film was like that. Dropping the r's in British English is a more extreme example because so much of England decided to do it.

>>48133170
They're a big legion, they should have a Rite of War that represents generic UM deployments.

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>>48133393
>>48133416
Basically you can't deeps time your special terminators (or any for that matter) or use the Locutarus Storm Squad which entirely revolve around deep strike

Honestly I forgot about the command rhino but it just adds to my point

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>>48133652
>they're a big legion
For you.

>>48133665
Is it just me or is that RoW really lacklustre

>>48133893
its not just you the cons outweigh the benefits by far

>>48133918
Is their second sneaky beaky one any good

>>48133893
It adds value to anything you bring to the table. Probably excellent for an all comers list.

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>>48133665
For a second I though you were calling the shooty Fulmentarii a "dedicated deepstrike unit" but said naaaaah, anon probably remembers that Terminators are heavy infantry intended for zones mortalis (in fact once upon a time only used in Space Hulk games) instead of 40k's "guess who doesn't need drop pods?" unit.
Or would you also say that the DG has two dedicated deepstrike units as well?
>>48133893
Meh, that RoW is merely Alpharius half-assedly saying "ssshh guys, I'm Roboute now, remember?"
I mean, choose-your-rule, come on :^)
Lacklustre benefits, maybe Counter attack breachers/Invictarii or something like that

>>48133946
if you run militia/army but otherwise no

>>48133974
Why does Guilliman's model look the most generic out of all the Primarch models?

>>48134034
because thats his thing

also it isn't some edgy action pose

>>48133893
I feel like it was designed for a BaC-heavy meta (i.e. footslogging infantry because we can't afford the monetary cost of transports and other tanks). It's brilliant defensively, because it gives you an overwatch boost and UMs get their legiones astartes (UM) bonus if they shoot at an enemy unit that another UM unit already fired at. Running makes it easier to get into combat, which similarly synergizes with their bonus to assaulting units already in combat with a different UM unit.

Footslogging armies are rarely all that great, but they sure are common. So why not take one with bonuses?

>>48134065
He is surprisingly good in Primarch vs Primarch fights.

>>48134080
yeah imo hes honestly the best primarch because for his cost/armybuffs

>>48134080
>>48134100
Guilliman is solid as fuck just like in lore

>>48134100
>>48134131

Yeah he is, its depressing that he is better than Perturabo. Sad face, at least I went with Blackshields.

>>48134169
Nigga, it's depressing that he's better than, and can beat every other primarch that isn't Fulgrim, Angron or Horus (and probably Sangy, Russ and some other), and even then his buff are better or he's 100pts cheaper.
But he's the spiritual liege, right?

>>48134219
I don't even know bro, the favoritism persists even into 30k when it comes to the Ultrasmurfs, at least here they aren't the writers of all the chapters combat doctrines.

>>48133416
Pretty sure he means Locutarus squads and Fulmentarii. Damocles Rhinos don't deep strike.

>>48134405
Damocles allows better deepstrike and reserve rolls

>>48134268
fuck off ultras are pretty balanced in 30k

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>>48134405
When he said "deepstrike special units" I assumed he was talking about the Damocles as a "unit that had something to do with deep strike" as opposed to terminators who have a single option to deepstrike: the Orbital Assault RoW.
Because Terminators don't deepstrike in 30k most of the time.

>>48134495
>Because Terminators don't deepstrike in 30k most of the time.
Oh yea, I always forget about that.

>>48134458
>>48134458
I agree. I think the favouritism only really shines through with Guilliman.

Legion wargear on its own are par

Rules par

Special units are par with the amazing suzies dragged down my locutarus and fulmentarus.

Characters pretty good

Guilliman godlike

RoW decidedly awful

>>48134532
It's alright. I bet IW/DG All Termie Orbital Assault force may be all sorts of fun.