/EMN/ Eldritch Moon Spoilers general.

Does this include mana abilities?

>>48100819
I LOVE IT

>>48100867
No nothing can counter those as far as I know.
But you can stop someone from fetching.

>>48100867
>112.4. Some activated abilities and some triggered abilities are mana abilities. Mana abilities follow special rules: They don’t use the stack, and, under certain circumstances, a player can activate mana abilities even if he or she doesn’t have priority. See rule 605, “Mana Abilities.”


In a word: No.

>>48100819
What's the benefit of using this?

>>48101689
>Gets around "Can't be countered" spells by exiling them
>Counters on cast effects
>Can get rid of everything on the stack with a single spell

It hoses eldrazi and other creatures with on cast effects, and it can completly stop a combo. It's also useful if your opponent is playing a lot of spells and abilities all at once.

>>48100819

This would be able to counter planeswalker abilities wouldn't it?

>>48101933
I mean, yeah, but unless they're actually using the ult and killing the walker, it seems like a pretty bad use of the card.

Mind you, both Chandra and Gideon can tick themselves out now....

>>48100819
>Hahahahaa we will show those control decks just how unfun their control on control matches are!!!!!
>Hahahahahaaa WE WILL MAKE IT COUNTER ALL SPELLS!!!! RESULTING IN YOUR OWN DRAW SPELL BEING COUNTERED!!!! HAHAHAHAAA
>brb buffing permanents again.
Creatures: The Tappening has hit new lows. Give up your control v control mirror by 1 mana and not winning home turf countermagic wars so that you can deal with eldrazi creature power creep "sorcery" abilities

>>48101903
In before a card with "Triggered abilities you control can't be countered."

Is the eldrazi pig mythic posted yet? I must have missed some spoiler threads.

>>48107547
That's actually pretty neat.

>>48105993
>it's called Trigger Warning

>>48107547
>Fuck GBx: the Land

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ok

>>48107547

This is that card that some shitfuck in your LGS whips 4 out of before playing you and casually slides into his deck because he knows you're a poorfag and enjoy playing things which cause discards

>>48110959
>my discards just become a time walk
>complains
you're bad at the game, and it's not because you're a poorfag.

>>48110877
That flavor text is fantastic.

>>48112120

>generic avengers movie banter
>fantastic

You are literally what is wrong with magic.

>>48110877
>Gideon "I punch eldrazi titans in the face" Jura
>Asking for a battle plan

Is there anything Modern playable yet?

>>48116571
Maybe Whispers of Emrakul?

>>48116571
Gnarlwood Dryad might see play in death's shadow variants of zoo.

Lone Rider/It that rides as one might see play in soul sister decks.

Eldar Deep-Fiend and Wretched Griff might see play in midrange and control decks that run blue mana and also in some tron variants. Because both cards can be cheated out way below their CMC while offering great value and relatively huge bodies, as well as putting creatures into your grave for more recursion bullshit.

Other then that new Liliana is underwhelming as fuck. On and Eternal Scourge along with misthollow griffon and skaab ruinator might form the core of some exile focused midrange/aggro deck.

>>48114923
>it's shit unless it's some Shakespeare level bantz

>>48112120
your shit taste is ruining mtg

>>48117219
>>48114923
Oh gee, I'm so sorry that having Chandra, a pyromancer who solves all of her problems with fire, lighting something on fire is shit taste.

I'll just stop playing Legacy right now. I mean it's not like I've been playing since I was 2004 or anything. Obviously, my shit taste has caused MTG to go down hill.

I mean, it's not from me contributing to pack sales, since I only buy singles.

Or from me entering tournaments.

Or from me collecting cards I just happen to like.


No, it's a singular card with flavor text that actually fits someone's character.

>>48117499
>Oh gee, I'm so sorry that having Chandra, a pyromancer who solves all of her problems with fire, lighting something on fire is shit taste.

So, she really is just Jaya 2.0?

>>48101689
it counters everything on the stack via Exile and causes stifle to be used at the same time.
its pretty god damn sweet all things considered.

>>48114923
>>48117219
See, usually I hate all the Chandra flavor-text, but I actually like this one.

You see, this falvor-text has something all of Chandra's cringey flavor-texts lack: a punchline.

>>48114923
I got a bit of a chuckle out of it, and I hate the whole Jacetice league even being here.

I think you're over-reacting.

>>48117818
Fuck off, Jace is the best thing that happened to Magic both in and out of the universe.

>>48117944
I know you enjoy getting a rise out of people but you feigning idiocy will eventually attract actual idiots.

>>48117753
>cares about flavor text

You know it doesn't affect the card's playibility right

>>48118148
What playability? it's a two mana sorcery lightning bolt. There is no playability.

The most interesting part of that card is its flavor text.

>>48118434
>There is no playability
Nigger a 2 mana kill spell that hits 90% of the creatures in standard is stupid playable right now.

Avacyn and Thought Knot are pretty much the only creatures that see play that ignore it.

>>48118484
>Standard
Exactly. It's only playable against other unplayable stuff.

>>48107547
I really wish it was whenever any ability or spell made you discard, not opponents. Otherwise I'd put one in a lot of EDH decks.

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That's one creamy one-drop.

>>48119750

I can work with this

>>48118047
He's right tho

>>48117704

Obviously

>>48119750
T1 this T2 discard a guy make a token T3 new lilly seems like an amazing curve. Both her abilities could be very powerful with that curve

>>48117704
You know, when I first read it, I took it less as 'my plan is FIRE you dumbshit' as 'did you just ask me if I have any sort of plan for anything ever'

>>48120870
>T3 new lilly
Why the fuck would you play Liliana and not activate again?

>>48118538
Why would you ever expect wizards to print a new burn spell that will make it into eternal formats?

>>48105622
show me a deck that uses all creatures, because there is always loads of decks that are creatureless or nearly creatureless. Spells have always been and continue to be leagues more powerful than creatures.

>>48120938
>vintage player detected

Full spoiler when?

>>48120878

>Do I really look like a planeswalker with a plan?

>>48120915

>making new cards so they don't reprint Incinerate which is the same thing but instant

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>>48116571

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Falkenrath Aristocrat callback card when? We vampire players need some love.

>>48121388
That's fake right?

>STILL no eldrazi dragon
Shame, I really like the design of Innistrad's dragons

>>48121398
the art is real, still unknown if its an actual card though

>>48119750
Seems pretty sweet. Probably modern playable in the right deck.

>>48121412
Oh look, the red mythic goes to a vampire

>>48121440
You wanted what, a Devil?

>>48121524
That would actually be cool to see

>>48119750
oh shiiiieet. if they five us another two-drop then tribal zombies might become a thing guys

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How does this help in BR vamps? I'm having trouble making room since Murder's back

>>48121563
madness enabler

>>48121569
Is it worth it though? Lightning Axe is already taking up space

Here's the list:


Creature (29)

3x Drana, Liberator of Malakir
4x Falkenrath Gorger
4x Heir of Falkenrath Flip
3x Incorrigible Youths
2x Indulgent Aristocrat
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4x Olivia, Mobilized for War
3x Olivia's Bloodsworn
4x Ravenous Bloodseeker

Land (23)

2x Evolving Wilds
4x Foreboding Ruins
6x Mountain
4x Smoldering Marsh
7x Swamp

Instant (8)

4x Fiery Temper
2x Lightning Axe
2x Ultimate Price

Sideboard (15)

2x Duress
3x Fiery Impulse
2x Grasp of Darkness
3x Transgress the Mind
2x Ultimate Price
3x Visions of Brutality

>>48121614
could replace duress in your sideboard

>>48116571
Thalia is playable in Modern and Legacy

>>48119750
and into my zombie deck it goes.

>>48119750
NOW MY DECK IS COMPLETE
4 Gravecrawler
4 Geralf Messenger
4 Festering Goblin
4 Carrion Feeder
3 Nantuko Husk
4 Undead Warchief
4 Gelmpalm Polluter
4 Tragic Slip
3 Cryptbreaker
4 Blood Artist :( (I mean I could put in the Diregraf Captain but he is blue)

>>48110877
God that card is shit. I miss bolt so badly

>>48120878

its fucking obvious that she meant "my plan is FIRE you dumbshit"

that other shit you said is retarded autism and ima pretend you didnt poison my mind with it

>>48121817
No Gary? No recursion? No Cover of Darkness?

>>48117499
>2004+ years old
If your taste isn't shit then why do you spend your immortal lifetime posting on a mongolian vision tavern?
Checkmate bitch.

>>48121546
An eldrazi dragon or an eldrazi devil would be rad as shit.

We already have a rare eldrazi vampire. Do we really need two?

>>48121889
Gary's manacost is too high.
Cover of Darkness is not really necessary and i have no idea what recursion is.

>>48120881
because the zombies are only 2/2 when opponents can be playing a 2/3 for 2 or a 3/3 for 2. lili lets you get in safely or lets you trade.

>>48122091
recursion = ways of getting creatures from grave into your hand. death denied and grim harvest are examples.

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>>48121398
>>48121412
If you can stomach navigating through Wizard's bloated Eldritch Moon page there are a couple more callback pieces of art that still haven't shown up on cards yet. I think chances are good since one of them (prey upon) did turn up on a card.

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Mark my words, the new Lili will be modern playable in decks like grixis Delver in the SB.

>>48121817
That's a very good act, what do you call yourselves?

You know what we need for Innstrad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPUSa424SPQ

>>48122239
Do you have a link?

>>48122226
>recursion = ways of getting creatures from grave into your hand. death denied and grim harvest are examples.
Ah, I have one copy of the Onslaught Zombie land also Gravewalker is all I need for recursion.

>>48122261
Zombie fun?

>>48122255
How could anyone possibly think that.

>>48122310
>Wee Dragonauts but shit

>>48122310
I like to think that Ludevic wrote the notes that made it into this flavor text.

>>48122302
This looked like hot garbage at first glance, but the more I look at it the more I like it. You pretty much have to emerge it, though.

>>48122325

... That a reprinted.

>>48122255
Problem is people compare her to her veil version when the new lili goes into a different kind of deck.

>>48122307
Its a 3 mana planeswalker that protects itself and gains you value as the game goes on. A deck for her might not exist now but she will eventually see play in modern.

She is kinds like the new tamiyo in that the cost and effects are good but it doesn't have a home yet.

>>48122338

I like how it's very technobabble for the first bit, and then not so for the last bit.

>>48122302
Dank.

>>48122315
>BG plant zombie
>no recursive abilities
>instead you get a weird fucking alpha strike ability if you have delerium

????

>>48121817

Where the Diregraf Colossus at?

>>48122351
Why would you play this new Liliana over LotV?

>>48122344
Yes. We don't have core sets anymore so we will be getting tons of reprints during each block. You should go into every future set fully expecting half of its card slots to be standard must-haves like divination shock and 3cmc pacifism.

>>48122325
Love it.

>>48122275
Kek

>>48122351
>She is kinds like the new tamiyo in that the cost and effects are good but it doesn't have a home yet.
>3 mana for a repeatable -2/-1
>doesn't kill goyf
>doesn't kill delver
>doesn't kill finks
>spellskite, swiftspear, nacatl, ooze
>the minus ability that is irrelevant and if you ever use it you're likely to lose Liliana to bolt
>her ultimate is a 4 mana enchantment that doesn't even do anything the turn you use it

Now Tamiyo
>4 mana in a powerful color combination
>auto wins versus merfolk
>card advantage even if she dies
>breaks board stalls
>basically keeps two creatures out of combat permanently
>her ult is a 3 mana sorcery and a 10 mana enchantment and reads "win the game"

Now tell me what kind of deck needs a planeswalker that doesn't answer anything relevant in standard with a useless ultimate and poor recursive abilities? And don't say Delver again because holy shit it doesn't need this card.

>>48122377
Lotv mostly sees play in jund or other BGx decks where you want to trade 1 for 1 and run your opponent out of cards as in a topdeck war your cards are better. Lotv helps in that stratagy.

In a deck where you don't want to discard your cards or is more creature based lotv might not be as good as new lili.

Also new lili might be good in jund mirrors.

>>48122474
>Also new lili might be good in jund mirrors.
Name a single thing Last Hope provides to Jund.

>>48119750
Not bad, gonna be fucking great if more good low cost zombies are shown

>>48122472
Not that guy, but please don't pretend new tamiyo is good.

lili oath is ballin' though.

>>48122472
Snappy, Pyro, Bob, Dorks, V Seer, etc.
People are really underestimating her +1. It doesn't need to kill something to be effective. Hell, people here said Goblin Darkdwellers were shit, but they were wrong and /tg/ is terrible at analyzing cards.

>>48122535
>Not that guy, but please don't pretend new tamiyo is good.

Oh, you're just a shitter, my bad.

>>48122535
and this is why /tg/ is just terrible at this game

Let's not mess around

No modern deck would play new Tamiyo. She's 4 mana and awkward to cast and doesn't do enough

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>>48122535
She is literally Omniscience on a locky drawy stick. She doesn't fit in any fucking deck right now but her abilities are powerful.

The Oath is a 3 mana edict, how can you possibly call that good? We now have three 2 cmc non-destroy removal spells (one of which hits tokens and another which is transformative) in an actual good color and every deck in standard is perfectly capable of saccing a Thraben Inspector or Plant while you wasted your third turn not playing Thraben+Lieutenant.

>>48122552
I'll give you Bob but Jund runs 10+ mainboard removal spells and 4 LotV which will probably hit Bob on the play anyways and leave you with a decent walker, and if they played goyf instead then you can actually remove that whereas Last Hope can't. Any inclusion of LH threatens the spots of LotV which is unforgivable for the deck.

And no she cannot be run in Delver.

>>48122583
I agree but that doesn't stop her from being powerful and sharing colors with the strongest colors in standard right now.

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>>48122583
>awkward to cast
>in modern

Don't see a general for it, and don't really want to make a new thread over this. Old threat is pretty much gone as well.

So anyways, it's been about ten years since I played magic, and I thought about building a cheap mill deck to get back into it. This is what I came up with, though like I said, it's been years, so I figure it's likely pretty terrible.

//Creature (12)
4 Faerie Miscreant
4 Manic Scribe
4 Palace Familiar

//Enchantment (14)
2 Fleeting Memories
4 Sphinx's Tutelage
2 Thopter Spy Network
2 Trail of Evidence
2 Vampiric Rites
2 Vessel of Paramnesia

//Instant (16)
4 Altar's Reap
4 Grasp of Darkness
4 Negate
4 Ultimate Price

//Sorcery (1)
1 Startled Awake

//Land (17)
7 Island
4 Submerged Boneyard
6 Swamp

>>48122602
I only said she can be played in the SB of Delver decks. Her +1 hits enough and does what Baby Jace does with his +1, her -2 fuels your grave and allows for recursion, and her ult is irrelevant. It'll allow you to grind out decks like Jund without having to rely on bad cards like Ancestral Visions.

>>48122573
>>48122563
She is a planeswalker that gives no incremental advantage unless you are already ahead. I would almost always rather have a collect company. If you are far behind enough to use her abilities defensively, you would be better served by removal. If you are ahead enough to use her abilities offensively, you would be better served by creatures or more aggressive cards. If the board is even, there are better plays you can make that take less colors.

>>48122602
Oath is a nice card because it tries to fix a problem an existing archetype has. This card helps planeswalker super friends decks protect their dudes.

>>48122653
Won't argue with a shitter, you'll eat your own shit anyway when Tamiyo will be played in every top Standard deck.

>>48122649
Yeah it's pretty terrible.

>>48122653
Two heavily played planeswalkers already make tokens and are in a deck that does that.

And being able to handle two creatures/vials for not just your combat but also the next is pretty revolutionary for a walker.

>>48122650
What slots in a Delver list would you side out for LH, and in what matchups?

I'll remind you lists run 4x Thought Scour which happens to be 1 cmc and not 3 cmc while having 13 removal/burn spells that also can be brought back with Snapcaster and flip Delver whereas Liliana does neither of those things.

>>48122628
Playing a baby control deck without bolt just to fag around with new Tamiyo is a good way to lose

>>48122310
>not common
Could have replaced Delver in Izzet Blitz

>>48122472
It might not kill those creatures but it basically puts them out of commission except maybe the ooze if it has stuff to eat. Your opponent cant attack or block with their 1/1 finks -1/1 swiftspear 1/2 nacatl and it does kill a bunch of other stuff like all of infects creatures, bob, most of affinitys stuff, and seer among other things. In a more creature heavy deck this is not bad. Also using her -2 could get her oilled but getting something like kalitas back could be worth it do to how it could just take over a game

New lili is not a jund card but for another deck.

>>48122482
Dont really think it will see much if any play in jund but the fact that it enables one to beat opposing goyfs in the mirror
Is interesting.

>>48122653
Tamiyo's worst case is that she replaces herself. You dont have to be ahead to gain value if the game is fairly even she helps you get ahead with the card draw. I'm speaking in terms of modern. The only reason she might not see any play is that she forces you to play bant when you could play jund or junk.

>>48122707
It honestly depends on the delver list, but Delver isn't the strongest card in many matchups and a few can be boarded out in matchups like Jund, Junk, some control matchups, etc.
If she destroys anything or recurs even 1 card, then she will have done enough and if your opponent uses a bolt on it, then you are golden. I don't know where else she fits, but I'm sure she has a home in modern somewhere, even if it's only SB.

>>48122745
>implying someone would not block with a finks
>implying infect doesn't Inkmoth or has killed you by this point
>implying the affinity deck even cares
>implying literally any removal spell or especially LotV would not be better in each of those cases

>the fact that it enables one to beat opposing goyfs in the mirror is interesting
As does Terminate. Or LotV.

>>48122707
>And being able to handle two creatures/vials for not just your combat but also the next is pretty revolutionary for a walker.

This assume you are
>on the play
>opponent is tapped out
>has two creatures in play
>you have creatures in play or are playing a deck that will eventually have creatures in play this game

Playing this card then having the opponent collected company, heck even flash something in, on your end step is a ridiculous blowout. So much needs to go right for this card to be better than a boardwipe. I can see it having a place in creature mirrors but cards exist in those cases that make this look very bad.

Against a languish deck, I can see the argument of getting card advantage instead of committing more to the board. but even in those cases, you would be better served by CoCoing on their end step and just finishing the game.

On a blank board, this card does nothing.

>>48122351
Vess is two Vampiric Tutors paying no life, at the least. A full combo and a ruined opponent hand at best.
Dark Realms is at least 2 swamps. Fucking stupid ammounts of mana at best.
Veil is a dead creature at least. A opponent turned harmless and waiting for death at best.
Defiant Necromancer is 2 life at least. All of the creatures! at best.
Last Hope is a missfired disentomb at worst. And a slow wincon at best.

You'd literally have to play her in a deck that's all removal, discard, draw and her. And you can still eat an Abrupt Decay at the end of the draw step when you were gonna fire that ultimate.

Does anyone here know about mythicspoiler?
All the spoils so far have been kind of underhwleming to me. New lil is garbage, escalate is ridiculuous. Yet another new bolt that no one will use. Meld. Emerge? I guess. Still alot to be seen, though. Do love the artwork. Also, Volaren Pariah. Since they made Gisa/Geralf, I wonder if they're gonna make other celebrities like Ludevic. They've made 17 Thalias so far, why not

>>48122602
Am I the only person who thinks this card isn't that good?

>>48122792
>Playing this card then having the opponent collected company, heck even flash something in, on your end step is a ridiculous blowout
Yeah because getting attacked by 2-4 creatures buffed by Lieutenant is way worse than just taking 4-6 3/3s to face and losing the game that turn, thanks for the insight anon.

>This assume you are
>playing a deck that will eventually have creatures in play this game
What standard have you been playing anon? I'd really like to get in on that shit.

>On a blank board, this card does nothing.
I'd be pretty satisfied to hold cards in hand and have a planeswalker on a blank board. Flipping your anti-Christmas land around I could have a CoCo to fuck around with on their turn.

>>48122880
Tamiyo or Edict? If you think Chainer's Edict isn't a good card you need to stay in /tg/.

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>>48122893
I just don't like chainer's. I always liked this better.

>>48122925
Even Teachings lists run Chainer's over Diabolic Edict because it's simply that good.

>>48122940
>Sorcery speed removal with a flashback cost games can end before being relevant

I just don't see it m8

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guise i really want artifact or eldrazi colorless deck while also keeping it budget, is there any hope of making one that works?

>>48110877
That fucking flavor text. Thank you, based Chandra.

>>48122968
>removal that hits something early game
>and also late game
Have you never played a control deck in your life?

>>48123000
Tron, you can get full landbase around $50

>>48110877
>"What's your plan?" Gideon asked.
>"Are you serious?" Chandra replied. Because you see, she's hotblooded and she hates collars, especially Avacyn's collar, the symbol of her church.

>>48123014
Yes, but wouldn't you have the resources and card draw for other instant speed removal or just flatout end the game anyway?

>>48123051
Hmmm....I'm gonna say that that meme most definitely doesn't apply to such a short and crisp flavor text. Take your memery elsewhere.

>>48123000
Eldrazi temples and eyes arent that bad. Also dirt cheap painlands for basicly trilands in eldrazi

>>48123078
It applies because the "Gideon asked, Chandra replied" is Avengers level of bullshit cringey text, no wonder a mongoloid underage like you likes it, literally fuck off.

>>48111025
>May clause
You are even worse than him.

>>48123078
>>48123078
>the flavor would literally be 10 times better by just writing "What's your plan Chandra?" "Are you serious?" because as it is it implies the reader is a retard with no reading comprehension

I say you're a retard.

>>48123114
And I say you're autistic.

>>48123125
>he needs overexplained text to understand anything
>calls other autistic

Kek, kill yourself you literal mongoloid - Anon said

>>48123094
Literally suck my cock, you edgy hipster cunt. Enjoy having a terrible life with that autism of yours.

>>48123137
>"Literally suck my cock, you edgy hipster cunt. Enjoy having a terrible life with that autism of yours." Autistic anon said

How about YOU suck my cock and then kill yourself for being a human abort? - Smart anon replied

>>48123132
How the fuck is that text over-explained? Seriously for a sec it's so much shorter and to-the-point than half this flavor text. And it is quite obvious it's just lifted from a future UR article.

>>48123147
>human abort
Anon, I...I don't know how to tell you this...

>>48122369

Not a zombie

>>48123150
>he needs to have the person speaking pointed out which is useless as shit for anyone who isn't a retard and could be completely left out
>"hurr durr it isn't over-explained because I'm a retard" Anon explained

Kek - Anon replied

>>48123157
>"Anon, I...I don't know how to tell you this..." Anon said.

ftfy

>>48121398
>>48122046

Happy to see that other people are hoping for an Eldrazi/Dragon hybrid!

>>48122239
Nooo she was my favorite...

>>48123051
Okay, I laughed.

>>48121412
It's not, just some modified art used for communication.

>>48110877
For fuck sake, it could have been an instant and still be perfectly fine...

>>48123433
>It's not, just some modified art used for communication.

Just like Prey Upon, right? Man, some retards should search what they're talking about before replying.

>>48122302
This art is awful but I like that ability and body.

>>48122820
Nothing says you cant play any of the 5 blue counters that get around cant be countered.

>>48122369
you spook the shit out of the weaklings and make them cower rather than fight. How is this so hard to understand its like horror movie 101 as well.

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>>48121388
>>48122239
Please deliver the source for these images.

>>48110877
2 mana uncommon beats a 4 mana mythic legendary

>>48123470
Do you really believe they will re-edit a BR mythic?
Seriously?
There is a little difference between a useful common and a specialised mythic.

The only way i could see it is in a Duel/Clash deck or a commander one.

>>48123512
MTG official site.

>>48122369
Its fast and scary, it makes weaklings flee in terror.

>>48123282
I can see it being a Dragon Horror that flips into a an Eldrazi Dragon if it deals enough combat damage to a player.

>>48122552
People said dank dwellers were good from the initial spoiling. a 4/4 with menace is great value at 5 cmc, the flashback'd spell is what made it crazy

I'm switching my janky RG Eldrazi deck into UG with R splash for Return. How terrible is this?

It worked decently enough when playtesting against a friend earlier and the biggest thing I'd use it for qould be the 8 player game days our LGS has if I don't use my Clue mill deck instead.

1x Emrakul
2x Kozilek
1x Ulamog
1x World Breaker
4x Deep-Fried
4x Conduit of Ruin / 2x Conduit of Ruin, 2x Oblivion Sower
4x Kozi's Return
4x Matter Reshaper
4x Coax/Titan's Presence
4x Thought-Knot Seer
3x Ongoing Investigation
4x Blisterpod

24x some lands n shit


Sideboard:
3x Reality Smasher
2x Conduit/Oblivion Sower
1x Decimator
2x Kozi's Channeler
7x some removal n shit

>>48123731
Why don't you just play Tron?

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Does this exist yet, I mean they're probably going to make it....

>>48123818
I am in modern, but this is for Standard.

Don't judge me, I like to mess around with my Standard-playing friends using some cheap pet-decks I build from things I pick up in limited and I really want to use the foil Kozilek and Ulamog I got a hold of.

>>48123824
Change the (2) to <> and that'd be it, since they'll probably eventually add some colorless walker to their ranks, Karn Jr. or something.

>>48123891
Of course, how couldn't I for seen that.

>>48123891
>karn jr
>Not Karn2.0
He might be a golem, but thats just magic talk for robot. Science bitches love new iterations of robots being a different version.

>>48123958
That would also make sense.

"To prevent the corruption of evil spreading across the multiverse and stand as a vanguard against Phyrexia, I will keep watch."

Basically him saying that he doesn't want the same shit that happened to Mirrodin to happen to other planes.

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>>48122302
>no Annihilator
what happened to eldrazi?

>>48121362
Exile is much more useful than regenerate hosing.

>>48123982
Wizards realized it was a mistake

>>48123982
>what happened to eldrazi?
They got to have an identity besides "Creatures that win the game after a few swings"

>>48122315
I don't like it when they fuck with tribes that have clear mechanical themes. Basically every skeleton printed since like Portal has had some means of cheating death, whether regenerate or otherwise.

I am fine with "can't block" and "haste" bleeding more into green and black, but don't make it a skeleton unless you give it something skeletony.

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>>48107547
>Wizards prints a decent Modern playable card
>it's not mythic rare

>>48124057
But anon, skeletons are spooky, this one so much that nobody is brave enough to block it.

You are completely right, fuck this thing.

>>48123958
Karn, ver. 1.2a

+3: Exile up to one target permanent then return it to the battlefield at the beginning of your next upkeep.
-4: Exile any number of cards from your hand face down. Put that many cards from the top of your library into your hand. Then look at the exiled cards and put them on top of your library in any order.
-14: Exile up to seven target permanents.

Sorry.

>>48124036
>>48124048
It's like you guys don't like Fun.

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Seemsokay

>>48124048
Wasn't 'destroying shit up' their whole identity? i think it still is.

>>48124136
seems pretty fucking good, lads.

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>>48124080
I am guessing since regen is going away, they are trying to find other ways of having skeles. But fuck man, every troll since Alpha had regenerate except one who swapped it for Persist. Then we have this.

If you can't do regen, give it fucking something trolly. Make it work like Relentless Dead and let us pay 6 mana to bring it back when it dies. Something. Or just change the creature type to Beast or Elemental or something.

>>48124145
They still destroy shit. It's just relegated to your own shit now ;^)

>>48124136
All those aggresive delirium creatures make me interested, but there's still one big problem. As most of them require delirium do be significant at all, there is a need for a fast way to enable it that is playable in aggro decks, and other than the top-end demon I see none. Moreover, if you miss with the demon, you're screwed.

>>48124145
Being big and colorless was their identity.

>>48124136

Shit like this shouldn't be mythic.

>>48124154
A lot of flavor problems could so easily be solved by a simple type change. Make the new skeleton a plant horror, make your example into a beast, change Ulvenwald Hydra into an Elemental. So many things that people complained about and such an easy solution.

>>48124170
its trample Tarmogoyf.

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>>48124164
>Being big and colorless was their identity

>>48124170
Funny how he enables delirium by himself
Also funny that Lone Rider, a far more splashable card with what is probably superior potential when it flips is an uncommon

>>48124154
Regen is going away? Why?

>>48124136
>>48124170
This.
It's agressively costed and has a somewhat complex ability, but there's no reason this should be mythic instead of rare or maybe even a pushed uncommon.

>>48124154
"Having no interest in the greater conflict, the trolls continue to prey upon whatever wanders into their domain." The narrator said.

>>48124184
And Goyf shouldn't be a mythic either, ignoring the pricetag.

>>48124206
probably too strong at rare for a draft

>>48124219
Lambholt pacifist is strong as fuck in draft, same with town gossipmonger. It would be fine as a normal rare.

>>48121351
underrated

>>48124258
its because of the Sensei's Top ability/self mill that pushes this to Mythic.

you literally control your draws with this card, you cannot understate how strong that is in magic.

>>48124219
I would snap pick an uncommon bomb like the Origins giant waifu over this.

>>48124186
Drones don't count.

>>48124199
I'm guessing for several reasons. Most notably that it's more complicated than they would like. To this day their are people that don't know that regeneration won't stop sacrifice, neg effects, or that it taps/removes the creature from combat.

Another reason I suspect would be that it's been so heavily invalidated by various things that it's nearly pointless to continue printing it.

>>48124275
so.. a card that stacks your draws.. isn't good to you?

are you on drugs?

>>48124136
Boring out of ten. I do like BG getting Think Tank effects though.

>>48124295
Have you ever drafted before in your life my friend?

>>48124295
It's just /tg/ shitters being contrarian as usual, let them be retarded.

>>48124181
Sure, but while troll fans might not like the new trolls, they still want trolls in some fashion. If regen is going away for good, a solution needs to be found.

>>48124199
It has a lot of issues. The whole "regen shield" thing just doesn't come across to people.

>>48124208
Fuck off.

>>48124304
>le drafting

That's like the only meta you could ever play considering you're too much of an absolute dogshit player for anything else.

>>48124304
I draft every fucking weak, a 2 drop that stacks my deck is insane anywhere in magic.

>>48124136
I like it but the art is very poor. I expect more from a card with flayed in the title.

>>48124273
That is a good point.

It seems like they are pushing BG self-mill / delirium in ENM. I am going to get my play set of to the slaughter. With delirium being so cheap, killing a planeswalker and perhaps even a lowly token seems pretty nice.

>>48124319
No wonder you're one of the retards who has problems understanding simple rules like regen since you need anything spelled out for your peasized brain full of shit to be able to understand it, kek.

>>48124320
>hating on Limited
I can understand that.
>because it doesn't reward skill
HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA LOOK AT THIS FUCKING RETARD AND LAUGH

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>>48124320
>Some shitter says this would break limited if it was rare
>Say that's bullshit
>"LOL WHO CARES ABOUT LEDRAFT MEME"

epic

>>48124287
>taps
wat

>>48122315
All I hear is bitching about this card, and to that I say have fun losing drafts you dumdums. This is gonna fucking shrekt noobs in limited

>>48124342
>skill
>babby: the meta

Top kek, kill yourself you mong.

>>48124355
The next time that creature would be destroyed, it isn't. Instead, tap it and remove it from combat.

>>48124342
Winning against your tabletop obese friends in a "Limited" game doesn't make it a meta anyone should take seriously which nobody does anyway because it's laughable, but you're a retard anyway so who cares

>>48124341
>explains why regen can be problematic
>LOL YOU RETARD YOU DON'T GET HOW REGEN WORKS

Maybe work on your reading comprehension and general abilty to use your brain for something that's not bullshit.

>>48124393
You just explained to us that regen is problematic because you're an autistic down syndrome babby, but we knew that already anyway.

>>48124409
>>48124391
>>48124372
>>48124341
>>48124320
Jesus, tone it the fuck down, underage b&. Yes, you're the best and you'll win the next PT, alright, just calm down.

>>48124409
>implying I'm the same person
Why am I even responding to such obvious bait?

>>48124428
There's no need to be salty though, Billy.

>>48124428
This. The vitriol needs to go. It's just a game guys.

>>48124433
Because you're a retard.

>>48124440
I'm not salty, but I enjoy having a conversation, not a screaming match of "who da biggest dick".

>>48124136
I like it.

>>48122302
Before anyone dismisses this card, think about all the blink in this set. Imagine how obnoxious this thing could be.

>>48124502
>Blinking Eldrazi
Come on man, you should know how that works by now.

>>48124502
Can you walk me through a line that would see this guy efficiently deployed? I don't play standard and I'm having trouble seeing where these emerge creatures will fit.

>>48124136
>chandra had a fanboy
>garruk has one now
10/10

>>48124530
>chandra had a fanboy
Did she blow him up or something?
"Notice me senp-KABOOM!"

>>48124554
She probably blew him

>>48124136
>mythic
Ahahahha

I'm so glad I don't play standard. The cardboard jew goes out of their way to make cards like this that'll be blatant 4-ofs in certain builds.

>>48124386
And remove all damage from it. Can't forget that.

>>48124502
I want you to walk through the process of blinking that card until you realise your mistake.

I'd forge my steel in Chandra's furnace.

>>48124554
Young Pyromancer. Her fanboy is actually better than any version of her.

>>48124525
As with most Emerge cards, sacrificing Matter Reshaper works wonders, especially on this and Deep-Fried. Can summon Reshaper T3 and this T4, provided your mana works out.

>>48124092
>scroll rack on a colorless planes walker
I'll take 12.

>>48124576
Right right.

>>48124136
>It's mythic because limited...

It's just a bear, kill it and you are done.
But I forgot that they don't print cheap playable removal at common anymore so removal is always more expensive than threats.

>>48122315
This is the reddest non-red card I've ever seen. It should be a vampire berserker.
>>48122302
I don't get why can't it bounce lands.
>>48119750
Lovely. Maybe the best card in the set for cubing. There are so many possibilities with him...
>>48107547
Look! A complex and playable card that is not mythic!

When will we finally get to know the dual lands?

They can't possibly be as terrible as the OGW ones right?

Right?

>>48124502
>>48124517
>>48124525
>>48124588
>When you cast
oops

>>48124677
>>I don't get why can't it bounce lands.
That is not allowed anymore. Stop being entitled and accept that the game is better now than it ever was.

>>48124633

Making your opponent waste resources on a big fun creature that you promptly dismisses causes feelbads and is unfun. That why counterspells are now rare and removal uncommon.

>>48124677
>I don't get why can't it bounce lands

I think you do. The modern (not the format) magic player is not accustom to having their primary resource attacked in any meaningful way. It creates bad feels several orders of magnitude greater than something like having a creature destroyed. A successful game does not thrive from repelling it's players.

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>>48124710
Ok senpai.

>>48124682
Shadowland cycle completion and maybe some spicy new keyword enablers

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>shitty mythics get printed
>everyone blames standard
>tfw standard actually used to be fun

What's bullshit is that wizards hates standard so much, we can't have 1 mana dorks, cheap removal at common, 4 mana wraths, or good tribal effects.

What the fuck happened after dragonsmaze that made wizards think it was a good idea to dumb down standard's power level. Doing that hurts every format except for vintage. Standard did nothing wrong.

>>48124136
Found the 20€ mythic

>>48124767
Limited and standard are the short bus of Magic nowadays, made to pander to the lowest common denominator.

Shit, 10 years ago, even 13 year old me would have been less enthused. I was fucking stoked for all the crazy shit that was coming out in Mirrodin. Artifact lands, affinity, it was broken as shit, but it was WILD.

The last time I experienced that sort of thrill over the power of cards was back in New Phyrexia, where Wizards seemed to regret every choice they made.

>>48124793
>t. le ebin storm solitary player

Wild and fun xD

Kill yourself.

>>48122315
>>48122315
Is the creature the skellington in the belly or the one on the head?

>>48124793
I don't get this obsession over powerful cards. Cards aren't powerful in a vacuum.

>>48124806
>he doesn't like storm
Wew

>>48124811
That's because you're a standard pleb who thinks 4 mana boardwipes are too powerful.

>>48124807
Belly

He's the brains behind this operation

>>48124598
Shame he got power-creeped on by that bald dude with the army of monks.

>>48124793
>muh mirrodin

Artifacts have and always will be busted. That doesn't mean every noncreature spell should be more expensive than it should be. Nobody likes Magic the Tappening

>>48124823
Now THAT's mythic.

>>48124806
>Kill yourself
>over storm

It's that kind of attitude over the years that has turned this game into a boffer fight instead of a wizard duel.

>>48124819
>powerful spells, so cool!!! xD

Literally have to be 18+ or older to post on this site.

>>48124811
There is no "vaccum" outside of casual play where the group regulates the powerlevel. Formats define the power of a card so when most new cards are week for every format except casual and standard(aka a format where you can only play new cards) that means that everyone that doesn't play those formats won't play with the new cards thus it doesn't matter to them if they exist or not.

>>48124823
NON NARSET EDH PLAYERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>48124823
Blue isn't getting any good cards, but at least these seem fun for casual edh

>>48124823
okay?

>>48124717 >>48124723

>feelbads
>unfun
>repelling players

It's MaRo posting here?

>>48124858
What the fuck do you find to be a "fun" spell? NuAvacyn? Fucking Gideon? Fuck off standardbabby.

>>48124136
Nice mill ability but outside of that it is not very interesting.. Definitely not mythic worthy

>>48124882
>I can only play broken shit because I'm bad

You don't have to tell that to anyone else on this board tho, shitter.

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>>48124823


>At last we meet, my consort and waifu!

>>48124881
You may not like it, I certainly don't, but that's the way it is.

>>48124904
I know it, anon, I know it.

But I still have the hope that someday MTG will be great again.

>>48124899
Dismissal is a sign of poor discussion skills.

>>48122552
Dark Dwellers, Nahiri, Kolaghan's Command, Kalitas, Baby Jace, and Siege Rhino were all considered shit when they were first revealed. On the other hand, everyone went absolutely nuts over Day's Undoing, Temporal Trespass, Thing in the Ice, and Void Winnower. Clearly people suck at analyzing cards.

>>48124943
>arguing with contrarian shitters

Top kek, not everyone is as retarded as you, Alex.

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Cute effect.

>>48124823
This is the second red non-red card of today.

>>48124960
oh yes a nice buddy for thunderbreak regent!!!!

>>48124960
>>48124823

What is it with this set and mythics that are playable nowhere but in EDH

>>48124960
heh, opponents can't blow it up without blowing their team up

>>48124960
pretty nasty, actually
That is probably one of the most defensive red cards Ive seen printed during recent past

>>48124823
>>48124862
This holy shit.

>>48124973
What the fuck are you on

That dragon is huge

It literally blanks removal against all creature-based decks

>>48124960
Now this feels more like how a mythic should be.

>>48124960
Zada EDH will lovd this.

>>48124973
>What is it with every set and mythics that are playable nowhere but in EDH
fixed.

>>48124960
Suck my big black edict.

>>48123824
They'd probably just say "if you control a Gideon" etc, since there will literally never be a Planeswalker subtype that appears on something that isn't a Planeswalker.

Where is my spirit 1-drop?

>>48124978
we still have thunderbreak around, and this one curves nicely after him

>>48124960
that's gonna have a sexy looking foil for sure

>>48124902
Kek.
>>48124960
Cool. Too bad about the art though, it's pretty dull. I really liked the dragons from Innistrad first block.

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>>48124960
Huh I made something similar back in the August of 2015.

>>48125000
You already got topplgiest.

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>>48124960

>a better Zada
>isn't a legendary

fuck that.

>>48124960
Every mythic should be like this.

>>48125009
Seems fun

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>>48125000
There's this guy

Sacs self to make everything indestructible

Blanks remov-- oh wait, current removal is nothing but exile and Languish

>>48124823

Shit but fun.
This is what mythic should be.

And hey, its playable in commander.

>>48125000
In the fucking trash where it belongs you fucking rattlememer

>>48124860
So, why complain? I don't get it. The idea that people might not want to play Standard because the cards are "weaker" is what I don't get. Not wanting to play Standard I understand, but over card quality?

>>48124960
>opponent casts anguished unmaking on mirrorwing dragon
>opponent is dead

>>48125030
It hoses red, which is enough.

>>48125058
It hoses the least played color in current standard

>>48124960
>Rite of Replication with Zada on the field

looks like this is going right into Tazri

>>48125066
That's the joke.

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>>48124823
I see what ya did there, guys.

>>48125052
>So, why complain? I don't get it
Because people in older formats don't get new toys to play with? Or does people wanting new cards to impact their formats (in a good way, not the eldrazi way) and change shit up sound crazy to you?

>The idea that people might not want to play Standard because the cards are "weaker" is what I don't get.
Probably because people are used to playing with more impactful cards either by playing older formats or by playing older standard rotations. Standard and lack of power don't have to go hand in hand and didn't for a long time.

If you still don't get it let it put it in terms a lobotomy victim would get. If I used to get to cast a 3 mana 3/3 in every standard game X years ago then when current standard comes around where 3 mana 3/3 are too powerful and the best creature around is a 3 mana 1/2 then that isn't going to feel good because you are used to a certain powerlevel.

People like using the term feelsbad, then casting bolt in one game only to have to cast >>48110877 as a best case scenario in the next game is feelsbad.

>>48124782
in the first few weeks maybe, then it will be bulk mythic.

>>48124960
I now have hilarious mental image of two players with Mirrorwing Dragons playing a game of Worldfire hot potato

>>48125159
>Because people in older formats don't get new toys to play with?

Every single set has had a few modern and older format worthy cards

Christ EMN is bringing in a donate, a modified natural order, a bant planeswalker that crushes shit, possibly the GB mythic, emmy, the 1B conditional hymn to tourach and probably more

What percentage of newly designed cards (not talking about reprints of course) exactly should be modern-relevant and how would future magic sets avoid power creep?

>>48125031
Fate Reforged was the last main set where cards were made mythic based on perceived power level alone. Since DTK, mythics haven't really been elaborate cash grabs the way they had been before.

Fot example, if Thought-Knot Seer had been printed a year earlier, it would have been mythic for sure.

>>48125159
Legacy has plenty of toys. I have never heard any Legacy player be excited for a huge upset in the format. People still bitch about Delver.

And yeah, to me it still doesn't make sense. If the 3 mana 1/2 is still worth running, that means it affects the game as much as the 3 mana 3/3 a standard earlier. It is just as impactful. You do derive pleasure from the effects your cards have in game right? Rather than how they compare to effects of previous games?

>>48125230
>Days Undoing
>Part the Waterveil

And how are they "mythic"?

>>48125230
Mythic rarity was a mistake

>>48125267
End the turn and take another turn while getting a 6/6 beater are pretty mythic fanpai

>>48125285
This, planeswalkers as well.

>>48124136
Good news, something that isn't white is viable
Bad news, it's gonna be $30

>>48125293
would a uncommon/rare level Planeswalker work? as in non-legendary Planeswalker.

>>48125267
Every single extra turn effect since the introduction of the mythic rarity has been mythic. It is a jaw dropping effect for a lot of players.

Day's Undoing is a Power 9 with a drawback.

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>>48125285
I never really like it either.
Though getting this guy in my first pack after three years without playing, without knowing mythic rarity was even a thing, was pretty cool.

>>48124823
Blue dominating EDH as usual

>>48125217
Might I suggest waiting to see if those cards make an impact before talking out of you ass? People always rave that "X CARD IS GOING TO BUST MODERN AND LEGACY OPEN WIDEEEEEEE" but that hardly ever is the case. Might I remind of Thing in Ice or Sin Prowler or 50$ preordering Narset?

The past sets since RTR have proven that more or less 1-2 cards are modern playable to a degree that affects the meta permenatly like Become Immence and CoCo while the legacy and vintage rates are lower than that.

>>48125233
>Rather than how they compare to effects of previous games?
You can't disconnect yourself from one game of magic to another, you always compare what you play to what you played to what you are going to play. People do what you are suggesting, ie treat each format like a different game, when it comes to limited and constructed since you compare limited formats to limited formats and constructed ones to constructed ones. It's also important to note that some will not like some limited formats due to low power since they compare them to older power powerful and fun draft formats.

I am not saying it's impossible to do but it's not something most people do.

>>48125348
When are we getting a fucking wolf legendary?

>>48125343
>tibalt is now an uncommonwalker
keks

>>48125343
They would either be completely uselss or the game would degenerate into a planeswalkers only meta.

In any case the way the work right now doesn't fit mtg.

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>>48124960
>the token dragon of all fucking things saved mythics

And Beautiful art too. I'm dying to see what a foil would look like.

>>48125370
>would degenerate into a planeswalkers only meta.

Aren't WoTC kind of pushing that with the oaths from the Jacetice League? Also isn't superfriends deck is a thing?

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>>48123465
Absolutely preposterous. There is no way such a design could ever work in Magic. You are absurd.

>>48125353
It just seems like a good idea. MTG is many games after all.

In general, people who say stuff like "That card may win games, but it is a weak card!" is who I don't get. You want cards that are good to not be universally good. Deathrite Shaman was fair in standard, good in Legacy and potentially broken in Modern. That is fine. It is better than having a card like Yawgmoth's Will that would literally be good in every format ever. And it is fine for most cards to be good in Standard or that set's limited environment or Block.

>>48125353
Legacy and Vintage got Deathrite, blue delve spells, Mentor,and OGW Eldrazis. Pretty sure that's everything they've gotten since RTR.

>>48125367
Here ypu go anon. :')
>1GR
>Woofwoof of the Woof Wolfs
>Legendary Creature - Wolf
>Hexproof
>When Woofwoof or a nontoken Wolf or Werewolf creature enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 wolf creature token on the battlefield for each wolf creature you control.
>T: Woofwoof deals damage equal to the number of wolf or werewolf creatures you control to target opponent.
>2/4 (so it can't be bolted)

>>48125425
Also Abrupt Decay

>>48125433
>has hexproof
>is 2/4 so it cant be bolted
10/10 top notch design

>>48125415
Do you guys really think exile is identical to regen hosing? Pillar of Flame was a staple in Innistrad standard.

>>48125433
OP much?

>>48125425
>Legacy and Vintage got Deathrite
That was in RTR not post RTR
>blue delve spells
Banned so it really doesn't matter now.
>Mentor
Yeap
>OGW Eldrazis
I give you this point but it should be noted that was Oath Eldrazi did to all formats is not the norm nor should it be, to the point that they were banned after a short bit in modern.

>>48125415
too powerful for Limited/Draft/Standard

>>48125433
needs Indestructible.

>>48125476
But anon that's redundant