Eldritch Moon Spoilers!

Source? I hope it's fake because it gets a resounding MEH.

>>48058110
nvm found source on my own.

http://www.gatheringmagic.com/emmahandy-07012016-field-research/

>>48058067
Looks nice.
That +1 can be used to defend too.
The -2 is also a huge effect for only 2 loyalty point.

>>48058110
Really? Two free cards a turn is pretty huge for something that costs 4, as is Omniscience.

>>48058197

Yeah, that's my thoughts. It's pretty hard to have the +1 not go off and she's too big to bolt. She's some nice, reliable card draw on a decent sided ass.

Looks very blue, why is it tri-color?

+1 and -2 are great but I don't like her ultimate.

>>48058264

I'm honestly not sure beyond 'They didn't want 2 mono-blue walkers and Jace exists'.

>>48058197
Especially when you consider it works on every turn.

Do you have 8 players, and some way to force people to attack you?

That's 16 cards a turn!

Pretty bonkers.
+1 is great. Any creatures. On combat damage. Works defensively and offensively.

-2 is strong. Tap down any threats opening up your +1 for free cards or to protect her to get the ultimate.

-7 draw 3 and omniscience. Also ult with doubling season out

8/10 strong ass walker.

>target 2 enemy creatures with her +1

Yeah ok come on attack me I'm cool with that.

Need her for my Clue deck

watch liliana be U/B

>>48058385
Liliana is one of the Origins Five, she is THE black archetype.

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The writer who did innistrad ancient grudge strikes again.

>>48058240
>decent sized ass.*
FTFY

>tamiyo, the multi-sidded ass sage
kek

>>48058425
>but even the dronepack steers clear of Sorin, a 1000 year old vampire, lest they come down with a sudden case of being in the way of a 1000 year old vampire.

>>48058541
>who created avacyn, The angel whose collar werewolves despised.

>>48058541
>Many who cross Sorin's path come down with a sudden and fatal case of being-in-the-way-of-a-millennia-old-vampire, which is an undead being who consumes the blood of humans that they draw out with their fangs.

>>48058264
Detaining permanents is secondary in white, and drawing through combat is both at least a little white (especially with how well the ability worms on vigilance creatures, giving you the potential to draw 4 cards) and really green.

>>48058609
drawing from combat is green? And white? Since when? Its been on blue cards historically, but I cant think of any green or white.

Also this isn't detain, its freeze which is also mono blue. Detain stops abilities going off too.

None of these effects are outside the blue pie.

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>>48058634
Delayed draw but I think it counts

>>48058634
Hunter's insight, hunter's prowess, snake umbra, warrior's lesson.

>>48058651
That is one, but thats also a 'power matters' thing which makes it more green than blue.
>>48058659
I guess.

So the effect can be green, but is traditionally blue and is on way more blue cards. She doesn't need to be green, she just is.

>>48058634

>None of these effects are outside the blue pie.

Neither are they exclusively inside the blue pie.

>>48058634
None of the effect are outside of her color identity, but they didn't need green or white to make it fit. I would've liked her to be just two colors. The green seems stapled on, and unfitting of someone like Tamiyo, who used to be mono-blue.

>>48058634
>drawing from combat is green?
Hystrodon, Keen Sense, Ohran Viper, Seshiro the Anointed, Silverpelt Werewolf, Snake Umbra, Warriors' Lesson, Cold-Eyed Selkie, Hunter's Insight, and Hunter's Prowess.

>>48058634

drawing from combat has indeed been a green/blue effect.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Adamage+o%3Adraw+o%3Aplayer+c%21ug&v=card&s=cname

>>48058689

She's kinda massive on the natural order. White-Blue-Green fits pretty well for a Natural Philosopher like her.

I want five
Not sure how I'll make bant control around her but I'm gonna
And I'll have to make a not-boring Baby deck for edh which will be difficult since I can't see her slotting into horde of notions

>>48058676
Unconditional draw is blue, draw that depends on creatures is green. Blue doesn't have a monopoly on draw, blue just has the easiest time enabling it.

>>48058709
Just make UW and splash green for her. Ez.

>>48058709
>>48058723
>Not playing GU clues, splashing white for Tamiyo
What are you, competitive players ?

>>48058110
She's pretty pushed bruh

>>48058425
>The Somberwald has become a hunting ground for the Dronepack, the group of werewolves that have succumbed to the flesh-twisting power of Emrakul. That is not to say that the Dronepack is really a werewolf pack, since Eldrazi drones are only part of the greater presence of the Eldrazi, just like a finger is the part of the hand, or the hand a part of the body. The Dronepack could be considered as a drop of blood in the organism that is Emrakul, and the Titan itself a finger, even if that finger is powerful enough to smash planes, especially since Avacyn, the founding figure of the church of Avacyn, and her Collar (Avacyn's Collar) have been corrupted by the Eldrazi. Because Avacyn hunted werewolves, but mostly—
You know the rest.

>>48058634
Drawing from combat damage is green
Drawing from combat damage to player is blue.

>>48058723
Last time I tried to make UW control it turned into turbofog, so I don't even have an appropriate shell for her
>>48058744
Bruh I don't play standard and I play shit like myr and eggs in modern
Ain't no competitive spirit here

>>48058067
MAKE BANT GREAT AGAIN

Maybe one day i'll get a playset of them hierarch niggas.

Can her ultimate be used for something delicious in Modern?

>>48058845
Think of a high cmc non-land spell that ends the game on the spot. Now use it.

>>48058845
Kruul Ultimatum

>>48058823
>GWU
nobody can play anything but GWx, maro?

fucks sake lad

>>48058067
Never seen a WUG planeswalker. Also, what is bant and all those names for specific triple color decks?

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>>48058901
Look up Shards of Alara

>>48058901
Bant is the Alara shard of that color.

>>48058901
Alara and Tarkir factions names

Welcome to MtG

>>48058845
Pretty much all ultimates are good. The question is how reliably you can get there.
I don't think she has a home in any Modern deck and I don't see her spawn her own new deck.

>>48058901
>what is bant
It's when you get a mana dork that talks shit and tells people to get hit

>>48058919
>>48058914
>>48058913
Thanks. Seems weird to have an 8 year old set turn "oh I'm playing a W/U/G deck" "cool" into "oh I'm playing a bant deck" "a what? Like, agrro and insulting banter or something?" "No I'm using the bant color scheme" "And that is?" "You don't know what bant is? Fucking newbie."

>>48058919
>Calling them by their Tarkir names
The only acceptable one is Mardu because that color combo doesn't seem to have a nickname. America, BUG, RUG and Junk are superior names.

>>48058964
They're memorable. Tarkir names not so much, at least for me.

>Hey, we designed Tamiyo. She looks good, but I have a question.

>Ask away, we design cards as a team after all.

>I saw that she has the word 'field' in her name. Should we add white or green to her?

>...

>Why, both of course!

Thanks wizards

>>48058895

BG is also really powerful and popular in the current standard

>>48058980
>America
More like Burguer, what are those shit names

>>48058993

Kys

>>48058980
Except calling Jeskai for America is retarded if you are not American. Also I mostly hear Junk when talking about the traditional midrange deck so I find Abzan to be more clear when I just want to refer to the colors.

>>48058988
I think it's because people already had BUG, RUG, Junk, and America for 4 of the 5 color combinations which are all catchy

>>48058964
They have been commonly accepted both withing the company and the playerbase. No offens but you really have to be a newbie, considering almost all decks of those colour schemes in all formats are called by the Alara names, barring some gimmicky decks.

>>48059029
>Not being American
Call it French then I guess.

The biggest disappointment is the white in the mana cost. Now she won't fit in my green/blue clue's matter deck. :(

>>48059047
I think Jeskai is quite catchy, and considering I don't really like either of the countries mentioned I'll use it.

I'll agree on Junk, RUG and BUG tho, they're far better.

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What happens when both creatures targeted by her +1 deal damage on the same combat damage step? Does she put a trigger on the stack for each creature and you draw two or does it work like Thopter Spy Network where you even if multiple creatures damage, it's the same trigger and just draw one?

>>48059138
2

>>48059018
Not until you reprint the enemy fetches.

>>48058676
Drawing based on creatures dealing combat damage is definitely a green thing, and definitely a blue thing.

>>48059138
Tamiyo triggers and you draw cards for her, and then separately but at the same time Network triggers and you draw a card.

>>48058964
Fucking newbie.

>>48058964
Alara planes and Ravnica guild color combos are even casually known in magic. Literally play with one person who has at least one years experience and you would know this. Plus google is still a thing, you can just type something in and find out what it means! It's pretty cool, actually

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>>48058067
>bant colors
>bant colors that give creatures the ability to draw cards simply by attacking and doing damage
>bant colors that give a form of stall so that creatures can deal damage
>bant colors with an ult that not only draws you more creatures to play, but also the ability to play whatever the fuck you want for free
>all for four (4) mana

>>48058266
>I dont like free spells for the rest of the game and 3 cards to get me started
Why, although i get it a bit if you mainly play standard but only a bit

>>48058878
I know but I don't want a bunch of dead high cmc cards sitting in my hand because I couldn't fire off her ulti. Are there any cards that are good without Tamiyo AND play well into her ulti?

>>48059434
Kruul Ultimatum

>>48059434
>Are there any cards that are good without Tamiyo AND play well into her ulti?

Any Cantrip or draw spell.

>>48059434

All of them, like literally every card in magic that isn't already free, I've never been playing magic and said "gee I'm sure I'm glad I don't have Omniscience out because I only have 1 and 2 mana cards in my hand, that would he a waste."

>>48059434
EmraKruul

>>48059434
Then don't play a lot of high cmc cards? Play things that investigate a lot so you can still have a sink for your mana and then each card you draw fuels the emblem more since you can pop off spells for nothing. Paying 0 for any spell that costs more than 0 is getting value no matter what it does.

>>48059434
don't build your deck around her ult, there's no way you can reliably pop it off. 4 turns is an eternity for a Planeswalker to survive unscathed. just enjoy the free spells when it happens every 10 games.

>>48059043
So unless I've been playing the game competitively for 8+ years I'm a newbie? Wow you're elitist.

>>48059348
Actually, that's a lie. People more often than not call their deck by the colors and not by some shit like horkery or Dundalk

>>48059719
I'm going to have to call bullshit on this, I have never encountered a player who didn't offhandedly refer to a two color deck by its appropriate guild at least once.

>>48059745
Name them then. Not everyone plays at a shop that's been going on since ice age.

>>48059719
For the enemy shards, like BUG or RUG, yes but for the allied shards and all the 2 color pairs the names from alara and ravnica are ubiquitous.

>>48059745
In my experience, the Guild names are used less frequently than the wedge or shard ones.

>>48059761
Not that guy but
dimir
golgari (sp.?)
izzet
selesnia (sp.?)
azorius
rakdos
boros
simic
I forget RG actually
and I'm missing a color pair but I can't tell which one

>>48059807
forgot gruul, r/g

>>48059807
None of those make any sense. Is rakdos like a U/W deck or something?

>>48058425
What? This sounds fine. Is anything more than a sentence with a single subject overwritten now?
It's like what happened with B^U metastasizing to every other webcomic ever all over again

>>48059761
Without looking them up:

Bant
Esper
Grixis
Jund
Naya

Mardu
Temur
Abzan
Jeskai
Sultai

Azorius
Dimir
Rakdos
Gruul
Selesnya
Orzhov
Golgari
Simic
Izzet
Boros

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>>48059761
>ice age
Alara was 2008, and there's been a return to ravnica set since. 8 years is not much at all. You'd be hard pressed to find somebody calling their RW deck a "Red White" deck, and not just "Boros".
>>48059807
>Forgetting Orzhov and Gruul

>>48059828
rakdos is black red, while blue white is azorious.

>>48059807
mother fucker you forgot orzhov

>>48059822
Nah, I was missing WB, which I also can't remember the name for
>>48059828
They're names. That's how names work. Do you walk up to people and tell them they don't look like and Angela, or spend your days pondering why a table is a table?

>>48059807
Gruul is rg and you're missing b/w orzhov

>>48059835
8 years is a long fucking time asshat.

>>48059702
Not at all. I've played the game for four years myself, but Alara colour combination names were by far the stuff of year one.

>>48059828
the real question is, how long have you been playing and not have encountered any cards from the ravnica block?

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>>48059856
>Do you walk up to people and tell them they don't look like and Angela, or spend your days pondering why a table is a table?
It should be plainly obvious that a table is a table in its adherence to an ideal of table-ness, that is, its similarity to the essence of that which makes a table a table

>>48059856
Angela is a name for a person. You don't call a triple color deck "agdkdedkfdn" and expect someone whose been playing for one year to instantly know what your deck is.

>>48059863
fuck me, i remember when i went to the alara reborn event, and got a hellkite overlord from one of the packs. fuck i miss the fresh feeling of going to an event...

and playing jund...

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>>48059863
>8 years is a long fucking time asshat.
Doesn't matter, if you play a lot and talk with your opponents about their decks, you're bound to come across people referring to the shard/wedge/guild names.
>>48059828
Don't be retarded. Pic related.

>>48059867
Considering that ravinca is nearly a decade old and only modern players use stuff that old I'm say he's been playing for anywhere between one to seven years.

>>48059879
Left is takiti. Right is maluma. Prove me wrong.

>>48059762

BUG is a terrible name for a deck that doesn't use insects.

>>48059875
>You don't call a triple color deck "agdkdedkfdn" and expect someone whose been playing for one year to instantly know what your deck is.
I mean, I would, though. And if they didn't, they could just ask what colors that meant. And then if they were still confused I would tell them about Alara and how those names get used a lot even for people who started playing long after it (e.g., myself). And if they were pissed off about it for some unfathomable reason, I would tell them the truth, which is, "Well, people just like the names enough to use them and they caught on, I guess."

>>48059885
Return to Ravnica was only 4 years ago, how old original Ravnica is isn't important when a refresher course just happened.

>>48059885
rtr, gatecrash, and dragons maze were literally less then 4 years ago. And even then, more generals come from that block than the old ravnica block.

jarad, melek, niv mizzit, obz, borbor...

That is a strange color combination for the character. I don't remember anything about her indicating the white or the green. It's literally just so Jace can be the only mono-blue walker, huh?

>>48059903
Too bad fucker. The guild names are retarded and should have never been made.

>>48059923
calm down, friend

>>48059875
If someone plays Jund Midrange, they absolutely are going to say "I'm playing Jund Midrange" and expect you to know what it means.

>>48058067
wow, wizards really doesnt want any diversity in standard, do they? what the fuck are they doing

>>48059918
Speak English fucker. I don't care that you cal your deck an izzet ice bucket. It's a stupid fucking name that detracts from any actual play at Magic. Just say it's red/blue and be done with it for fucks sake.

>>48059875
Yes, and? People like calling them by these names. Why should experienced players stifle their own enjoyment just to make it very marginally easier for new players? What did you expect coming to any board and loudly declaring you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

>>48059923
You are retarded and should have never been made.

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I made a thread for this already but maybe you guys can help.

What card is this art for? I need to know so I can masturbate onto one.

>>48059936
>"If someone says they play Jund midrange I expect them to know what it means".
So you're speaking in monkey language to someone because you can't be bothered to say "I'm playing (color)/(color) midrange". Faggots like you need to die.

>>48059923
>The guild names are retarded...
Why? I like them. They all sound kinda nice and feel natural for what they're referring to, for the most part. It helps that I really like the language group they used as inspiration, to be fair, but what exactly is WRONG with them?

>and should have never been made.
I mean, this seems downright confused. Are you just opposed to made-up proper nouns in general? Would you rather that Emrakul's cards were "Big Space Jellyfish Monster #1" and "Big Space Jellyfish Monster #2"? Would you rather that cards not mention parts of the lore they're referring to, e.g., "Return to Merfolk-land" as opposed to "Retreat to Coralheim"? Is "Coralheim" a retarded name, too? Would you rather planes weren't named, but described, e.g., "Return to Spooky Edgar Allen Poe Plane" instead of Shadows over Innistrad? I don't get it.

>>48059922

Basically,yes.

As the patreon saint of investigate the mechinic, it makes sense for her to have those colors.

>>48059957
Probably just promotional/product art, not card art.

>>48059957
>Oath of Liliana fucking confirmed
the prophecy!

While we're on the subject, favorite deck name? Cephalid Breakfast personally

>>48059942
Or, you spend five minutes learning the vernacular.

Do you complain when people call something a cantrip, or refer to a spell as "ramp"? Do you need to be told what milling is?

>>48059968
Ugh. I hate posters. They're so much harder to find.

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>>48059957
Take a wild guess

Maro confirmed we're gonna get one of these every block. Kill me now.

>>48059959
It's like having to learn an entire fucking language to understand what the fuck people are talking about in a CHILDRENS CARD GAME.

>>48059958
>So you're speaking in monkey language to someone because you can't be bothered to say "I'm playing (color)/(color) midrange"
Actually it's (color)(color)(color) midrange. Yes, it is MUCH easier to say "jund" than the three colors involved.

>>48059983
Well either it's poster art or an oath, either of which means more money that I'll have to spend. :\

>>48059942
no, but saying the guild name generally lays out the direction the deck will go. for instance, the green black golgari will most likely be a re animator, while the red blue izzet will generally be directed and spell slinging shennaniganry.

stop being so god damn butt hurt that it makes sense. i feel your pain though, for not being smart enough to know what some terms are, i don't know battlecruiser, or midrange, or any similar terms

>>48059976
"Skred"
"Manaless Dredge" for the sheer what-the-fuckness it inspires in players who aren't familiar with it
>>48059942
"Ice Bucket" is a really cool name for a deck, actually. Thing in the Ice for the ice, Hot Soup to make it unblockable maybe?

>>48059993
What the fuck is Jund you monkey fuck? Speak English.

>>48059983
The Jacetice League is getting a new member each block or they're going to be reminding everyone about their oaths all the time?

>>48059990
>what is jargon

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>>48059957

>>48060011
And you expect some newbie to instantly understand and know every single term, slang, and piece of trivia the instant they step into a magic shop. Go fuck a blender.

>>48059942
>>48059958
I hope you realize how retarded you sound. Insular communities create their own language.

UR spell-slinging is different from UR control is different from UR combo, regardless of colors.

If you want to play, learn the language. You should be able to know what I'm playing when I say Izzet Delver or Shardlrss BUG.

>>48060006
As quick search reveals there are 0 bucket cards in existence, so our options are pretty slim

>>48060008
A new member every block, with a spicy new Oath card to go with it

Which is kind of fucking ironic considering how Maro was all "we need to develop sets around limited AND constructed" and then proceed to make a cycle of rares that only works in constructed.

>>48060007
>Speak English.

How about you speak MtG?

>>48060031
he did not say that, you asshat. just like the game, the jargon is learned over the time you play it. stop being a little shit

>>48060049
Magic the gathering is for kids.

>>48060031
no, we don't, we expect something closer to "what is jund"
"green/black/red"
"oh, okay"
and THEN we expect you to know what it is, like the sensible intelligent person you are

>>48060064
>plays a game for kids
What a fucking loser nerd

>>48060006
Maybe if you had a lot of tap or lockdown effects with an appropriate flavor. Play up the "Ice Bucket Challenge" as a freezing thing.

>>48059990
Well, yes, but that's what interesting about it!

It's like any other hobby. If you went up to your mom and complained about how your GM TPK'd you and your friends with bullshit "Rocks fall" shenanigans, she'd most likely look at you as though you had two heads. If you try talking about sports and you don't know what any of the terms mean, you're going to look pretty stupid pretty quickly. If someone is unfamiliar with skateboarding culture, they might know what an "ollie" is, but they might not know what a "900" is or how significant it is. Would you stop saying shit like b&, cheese pizza, or sage because a recent migrant from Reddit might get confused? Of course not.

It's all jargon, slang, cultural capital or whatever you call it, that lets other people know you're part of a subculture of some kind. In my opinion, it's a beautiful thing.

>>48060031
I don't think ANYONE expects that. You're just being melodramatic now.

>>48059923
Why are you so butthurt, faggot? Does it really blast your ass so hard that nerds have nerd names for their nerd shit in their nerd game?

>>48060064
Play it or don't.

Do you think we are going to get another two cycles of spells with off-color activated abilities going the opposite way around the color wheel? Because I was into that when they did it with off-color flashback costs in original Innistrad/Dark Ascension.

>>48060037
That's quitter talk! I'm positive there are more buckets out there.
What about Masterwork of Ingenuity? It's got a crucible on the art. That's kind of like a bucket. Maybe we could outfit our Thing in the Ice with various Equipments and copy them for value?

>>48060072
>>48060049
He's gotten enough (you)'s. Let his bullshit stagnate.

>>48060031
That or just accept the title of newbie, because that's exactly what you are, instead of launching an attack on all magic related etymology

Hopefully someone else can take over pretending to be a retard because I'm bored. Quick, someone complain about blue being overpowered.

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>>48059874

>>48060110
thoroughly owned

>>48059958
Any community will eventually develop an extensive pool of jargon.
Joining the community involves learning it. Welcome to society.

>>48060110
>I was only pretending to be retarded, etc

And so, Anon fucked off back to his basement, covered in cheeto dust and stinking of unwashed belly button funk. "H-Heh, got 'em." He whispered to himself breathlessly, and returned to his eternal crusade to mildly inconvenience groups of people on the internet.

After many attempts to make an Ayli deck, i can't seem to find one that i like, that works well enough. Is there a way to make her a bit more reliable and consistent?

Yeah. I hate the jargon because it just doesn't make any sense for a newcomer. Why is Jund called that when you've probably never seen the original shards cards ever or any of the guild gate lands.

>>48058067
But why is Tamiyo in Bant colors?

What the fuck about Tamiyo is green?

>>48060203
the same thing that made sarkhan blue

>>48060192
Oh so that meme is still alive? Lol you're the retarded one anon. My anonymity lets me do whatever I please, even if it annoys someone in the process.

>>48060195
because the people who call it that have

>>48060018
Where are people getting these images and why has no one scanned these art books yet?

Also, I love how fucking smug she looks

>>48059922
There's a lot indicating green, actually, and a little indicating white. She believes in leaving things as they are and not interfering--that's green. She also believes in sticking to her own rules--UW. White seems to me to be stretching it more than G, but it definitely doesn't seem like it's stretching it that much.

>>48060203
In terms of the card, the +1. Drawing cards from creatures is a green ability. In lore, no idea. I too am rather mad at this development. Tamiyo was the thing I was most looking forward to going in this set, and she's in fucking bant.
>>48060195
What makes white white? what makes blue blue? It's a waste of time to ask these questions.

>>48060216
>If I can just pretend to be aloof and nonchalant maybe they'll believe me

No one believes you anon.

>>48060018
>Perhaps Gideon hoped that Liliana would do the same.
>She smugly agrees
Why is Lili best waifu?

>>48060248
That's a pretty flimsy UW justification. Following your own rules instead of others is more of a back or red thing. UW is quite dogmatic.

>>48060255
Lol. Your loss billy.

>>48060287
Neither black nor red follows any kind of rules whatsoever. UW can certainly follow a personal code. It's the color of rules lawyering.

>>48060293
there is no loss

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>>48058067
this some how seems relevent.

>>48059875
Buddy, I'm so new I don't even have a deck and I'd know exactly what people are reffering to with those names, though granted I'm as interested in the flavour of magic as the game itself if not moreso. Still though >>48059903

>>48059895
Golgari splashing blue for Docent of Perfection and any cards that combo with it says hi.

>>48060287

Tamiyo considered her own death and that of Jace unimportant compared to her promise not to use her mega-scrolls. If the options were break that rule or be killed by Avacyn, she chose "be killed by Avacyn" without hesitation.

Black and red would never do something like that, but a white character definitely would.

>>48060353
>Tamiyo considered her own death and that of Jace unimportant compared to her promise not to use her mega-scrolls.
Why the fuck's she carrying them around in the first place? Dig a damned hole.

>>48060328
Oh my god yes.

>>48060350
If you don't even have a deck you aren't a magic player.

>>48060369
Because she would rather be able to teleport the mega-scrolls with her between planes than leave them in a single spot for so long.

>>48060369

Presumably it's the "if I have them and never use them, nobody else can find and possibly use them."

>>48060215
Time fuckery? that doesn't sound very grean though, if anything green is more about PRESERVING the timeline, as opposed to violently bamfuzzling it with with several gallons of taupe paint and a sink plunger.

>>48060328
>>48060371
And cue tidal wave of half-Jace bunny people.

>>48059958
>Using an at most 2 syllable word widely recognised by the community with which you would ever have a reason to use it is retarded when you could use 3 words so that people joining that comunity don't have to learn a simple code of 20 words.

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>>48058425
>>48058766

>>48060195
Jund is called Jund because it's called Jund.
That's how names work, they don't have to mean something. As soon as a name gains traction, it becomes self-sustaining.

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>>48060193
>After many attempts to make an Ayli deck, i can't seem to find one that i like, that works well enough. Is there a way to make her a bit more reliable and consistent?
Format notwithstanding, Clerics is a fun as fuck kitchen table deck. She's a great addition as you can't always get your Starlit Sanctums.

>>48058913
Color pie was all over the place in alara though

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>>48059702
>jargon is exclusive to competitive players

>>48060372
been brewing one but I haven't gotten around to actually getting the cards yet.

>>48060493
What do you mean?

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>>48060328
does anybody have the comic from this
it looks cute as heck

>>48059895
BUGS N THUGS

>>48060369
Hiding mega-scrolls away and hoping nobody finds them is a bad idea when there are planeswalkers with divination spells flying around all over the place. Didn't something about mega-scrolls happen earlier with Chandra vs. Jace?

>>48060328
>delving for six
Pfahahahahahahaahaha.

>>48060039
>That don't really work unless you have superfriends
FTFY

>>48060515
So you're not a magic player. Right now you're a new MTG deck builder.

>>48060462
well meme'd my friend

>>48060328
Jace tapped her trail of tears, and it tapped for B.

>>48059947
Savage

>>48060516
Bant had enchantments that would be considered red only.

>>48060039
>Developing sets for limited and constructed means that every card must be playable in both
Maro has made his share of mistakes, but holy shit you're reaching with that one.

>>48060599
Bant had a couple that would be considered Boros. Finest Hour wasn't that far of a stretch.

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>friend told me to go play pauper FNM
>said no because too lazy
>it seems that LGS is giving Thalia as promo for just playing isn't that illegal?

Kill me

>>48060561
You can play Magic without having a deck, anon. Most people have more than one deck, so it's not hard to find someone willing to let you play against them with one of their decks. I was playing Magic with a group of friends for about a month before I had my own deck.

>>48059982
I have some from a friend working at flgs. Ask yours, they should have a lot of spares, wizzerds give a lot of them and shops use like half of them usually. I even have glorious og olivia beside my bed.

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>>48059967
>patreon saint

>>48060633
It's buy a box promo. They can do what ever they want with it.

>>48060691
Um yes, after like 3 months from promos debut. Thats how it works for fnm promos, so I think its similar.

>>48059982
>>48060648
>tfw friends with FLGS owner
>tfw got a Khans of Tarkir poster from him without even asking because he was just gonna throw it out

>>48060636
But unless you physically own a deck you aren't a player, no matter who lets you use their extra decks. Being a magic player is more than just playing the game. It's about hoarding cards, that new booster pack smell, trading cards for stuff you need to build, holding your first mythic in a double sleeve even if it's something shitty like Sphinx of the Final Word, and that elation of winning a match with that one bulk rare everyone thought was shit.

>>48060726
No, they're buy a box promos. You get them whenever you buy a box.
You can do what ever you want with them.

>>48060756
>holding your first mythic in a double sleeve even if it's something shitty like Sphinx of the Final Word

The first booster pack I ever opened had a Foil Balefire Dragon, so that was pretty fun. I still have it. At least it's pretty good in Kaalia or Dragon Tribal EDH.

>>48059983
>>48060008
So when will we have the universe reset or a mass murdering of most of the extra planeswalkers like every other comic book league has done when it gets to big?

>>48060574
Jace dashed his Vaultbreaker

>>48060786
>Foil Balefire Dragon

According to eBay, that's almost $20. Definitely not the worst Mythic you could have gotten from Innistrad.

>>48060372
He could just draft/do prereleases.

>>48060793
When they go to war against New Phyrexia and get absolutely wrecked.

>>48060476
Oh i dont disagree, but i don't have anything left over the years. plus i have no idea how to make the deck have proper synnergy for ayli.

>>48060822
If you draft you at least have a deck. He said he didn't, so unless e gave away all of his draft picks he should have a deck.

>>48060203
She doesn't want to get involved, but the white in her, made her intervene just this one time.

Is she good enough for Modern?

>>48060039
>A new member every block, with a spicy new Oath card to go with it
Fuck's sake. It's like Wizards learns nothing from comics.
Nobody minds adding and taking away throwaway characters at the beginning and end of a block. Having them take an Oath and join Jace and Gideon's special club means they probably will show up again.
If they do, you'll probably have even more planeswalkers involved in the story of a block (this one had six, which is already high) which will mean more focus on them and even less on the plane itself, which defeats the purpose of even visiting the plane. It could get to the point where you could just about put everything in Dominira and nobody would tell the difference.

>>48060818
>pulled a foil archangel's light
just kill me now family

>>48059434
Why do you assume you need eldrazi to make use of her ultimate? You know what card is really good when it's totally free? All of them

>>48060897
wonder what happened to writing stories for the plane? i miss the 3 part novels of each plane...

>>48060793
Return to Dominaria, where they fight Nicol Bolas.

>>48060388
Until she gets killed and some rando takes the scrolls and opens them without even knowing what they are.

>>48060756
>trading cards
I collect every card I have and only buy what I need, I'm a bad magic player?

>>48060956
Planeswalkers can't get killed, they're just shunted into a different plane (such exceptions like edgy garruk and special stuff) and besides, taimayo is a wizard.

>>48060388
Can people other than her or other moonfolks read them? What language are they written in?

>>48060970
Nah. You're either a hoarder or have no friends to trade with.

>>48058913
>>48058914
>>48058919
>referring to Sunscape as "Bant"

memedern kiddies pls leave

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>>48060980
>Planeswalkers can't get killed
Are you retarded?

>>48060980
elspeth is basically dead, her soul in erebos's hands but still dead

>>48059957
>>48060018
This evil necromancer bitch is cute. CUTE!

>>48061023
>>48061011
>and special stuff
Reading comprehension faggots.

>>48060928
Nobody buys novels. They still release stories for the sets, they're just released online and written by multiple members of the creative team.

>>48061023
>>48060980
Most oldwalkers are dead too.
Venser is dead. Don't remember if Tezz is dead. Pretty sure Vraska's dead. I want to say that Domri Rade is dead too.
Looking back, Vraska might not be dead, but if she is she's a potato.

>>48061063
yes, but its not a series, something that has detail and depth, not a reader's digest short.

>>48061063
Nobody had to buy them, they were included in fat packs.
Also, from time to time before the neowalker era they were actually good.

>>48061067
But planeswalkers can't die. It's literally canon that the player is an oldwalker. So you're telling me a card effect can kill a player?

>>48061067
Tezzeret's last known status is alive, but he was planning to take over Karn's empty throne, and we know he failed to do so.

Vraska is alive, and uninjured, but Jace revealed her existence, compromising her whole "the Unseen" thing she had going.

Domri is alive as far as has been said. He was not involved in the Dragon's Maze in the slightest.

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>>48061109
>He things Gerrard and Urza are still alive
Are you FUCKING RETARDED.

>>48061109
I always assumed that was the intended flavor of what Phage the Untouchable or one of Vraska's assassin tokens are doing if they connect with your face.

>>48061109
Planeswalkers could always die, even before the Mending.

>>48061109
They can die, even pre-mending. Old lore states that the first Planeswalker duel in history, waged between Nicol Bolas and some unspecified "Leviathan", ended in Bolas killing his opponent and feasting on the leftovers, taking their power.

>>48061154
Literally who? I started in Theros.

>>48060897
Depends on how they use the characters. Justice league unlimited had a shit load of characters and that worked out fine.

As long as they stick to using 2 maybe 3 members at most after this set things should turn out fine.

>>48061173
That explains why you'd think that. Theros is a special plane with special rules for death. Elspeth's "survival" of her death is an exception, not the rule.

>>48061167
Didn't Urza survive being fucking decapitated?

>>48061169
Old lore like that was hella inconsistent

>>48061176
They can essentially set up multiple 'watches' like the avengers, x force kind deal, hell they can actually do that to bring in a bunch of underused planeswalkers like an x force variant with Sorin, sarkhan, ajani or something. I mean since they are going full comic books might as well do that.

>>48061109
>But planeswalkers can't die.
Tell that to Yawgmoth and Urza. The two combined are responsible for more Planeswalker deaths than any other force in existence

>>48061232
Urza kept all his power in the stones he used for eyes, so his body was inconsequential. That's what you get when you behead a master artificer, but that's a unique case.

>>48058197

What exactly counts as combat damage? I forget the exact rulings so I'm not sure if double strike or trample damage getting through would double your fun.

>>48061285
Double strike counts, since it's effectively two instances of damage.

>>48061285
Trample damage is one instance of damage. It just carries over to the player.
Double Strike is two separate attacks.

>>48061232
>Didn't Urza survive being fucking decapitated?
Old Planeswalkers were basically gods. Much more than the actual gods of say, Theros.

>>48060130
Something about sassy philosophers just cheers me up

>>48061314
>>48061232
So if Old walkers were considered Gods, what would Yagwmoth be considered?

>>48058067
>Tamiyo a selesbian cumfirmed

>>48061326
El Diablo.

>>48061326
The devil made of fart clouds

>>48061326
a god

>>48061326
Perfection

>>48060844
>Neat infinite combo
Shaman en-kor
Daru Spiritualist
Starlit Sanctum/Ayli

>Sacrifice clerics
Rotlung Reanimator
Cabal Archon
Dark Supplicant

>Value clerics
Soul Warden
Soul's Attendant
Orzhov Pontiff
Mother of Runes

All of it is really cheap to put together. If you're not sold on clerics, I've had a lot of success with Ayli in my Teysa, Orzhov Scion Commander deck.

>>48061366
Ayayayay
que miedo

>>48061326
Death itself

>>48061242
Would rather have them all be in the same group but have each block work like episodes in JLU which would focus on a few characters. For example you had one episode focus on booster gold, another on the question+ huntress, another on the cowboy guy, the knight and other characters I dont remember very well.

>>48061326
A smt protagonist tired of gods shit.

LUDEVIC PLANESWALKER WHEN

>>48060157
Exactly, jargon exists in every level of society. Sports, medicine, acting, writing, driving, education, you can escape jargon/slang/short hand.

>>48061438
HE'S FUCKING DEAD

>>48061438
ADVENTURES OF GITAXIAS AND LUDEVIC WHEN

>>48061456
WHEN HAS DEATH STOPPED HIM BEFORE

>>48061456
Nah He isn't dead, he just split himself into a Spirit and a Zombie, then moved that spirit into a robot body. Now he's an Artifact Creature- Construct Wizard

>>48060353
What the hell even are in those scrolls to be THAT important?

>>48061326
Dead?

Not on a card?

Replaced by Glorious Norn?

Who?

>>48061535
Well one is Armageddon and that's only one

>>48058924
Underrated post

>>48061529
>traps the spirit like in his artifact creature
>turns the body into a creation like mecha dog
>by our powers combined

>>48061535
Meteor Swarm, Mass Harm, Summon Monster IX, Wish, Mass Dominate Monster, Wail of the Banshee, and a houseruled third-party Magic Missile that uses D20's instead of D4's.

>>48061570
>Ludevic sticks his soul in the wolfbot
>He becomes the robofurry terminator

>>48061535
>>48061551
I'm not sure if this was implied in the 1st Innistrad block but I love how Tamiyo's magic seems to work through stories and how, the more powerfull the message of the story or the events it tells are, the more powerfull her magic is.

This makes me wonder if you could even tap into the power of those scrolls if you couldn't wield story magic.

>>48058425
Not as awkward.

>>48061535
One of them is the story of how serra's plane was destroyed. Like this poster said >>48061625 the more important the story the more powerful the spell, so I think the implication is the scroll could destroy a plane

>>48061326
Super god.

>>48061109
>It's literally canon that the player is an oldwalker
No it isn't.

>>48061154
Gerrard was a Planeswalker?

>>48061270
Yawgmoth wasn't a Planeswalker you fucking idiot.

>>48061679
>Yawgmoth wasn't a Planeswalker you fucking idiot.
Hence why I added the part about being responsible for killing them.

>>48061613
>>48061570
the idea with Spirit Ludewic is that he would be a 1/1 UB Spirit with Flying, a colorless Emerge cost and some finicky wording like "If ~ Emerged from an Artifact Creature you control, transform it" or something like that.

>>48061535
Planar Overlay

>>48061561
Thank you, anon

>>48061386
those seem really fun interactions, and would give me a reason to run scion of darkness finally

ill take a looksee

>>48061672
How fucking long has she been alive? Is she an oldwalker or a post mending one? Soratami have limited lifespans, right?

>>48061713
I bleieve she's an oldwalker but not sure. Little is known about her so far.

>>48061713
She's a soratami neowalker who wants to have all the stories and all the knowledge
Soratami are, I believe, long-lived but mortal

>>48061713
premending I think. The kamigawa story also took place premending, even though she wasn't involved. But she has witnesses all the events on her scrolls, just heard the stories and written them down, or some other magical process turns the stories into scrolls idk.

>>48060203
Because those are the colors for investigate.

>>48061713
It's inherited

>>48061713

She didn't nessecarily collect the stories herself; hell the fact she had to promise not to use them makes it seem even more like it was somebody else who collected them.

>>48061745
I wonder if some of the scrolls have accounts of The Brother's War and the Phyrexian invasion

>>48061754
I believe that promise was explicitly to herself, as a matter of understanding that having a children's story that casts Armageddon is a pretty fucking big responsibility

>>48060999

Those are lame though

>thunderscape is completely different from stormscape

>>48061386
high priest of pennance and shaman with daru would be fucking sick as shit.

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>yfw the other scrolls are stories told by Urza and Yawgmoth

>>48061850
Sounds lame af desu senpai

>>48060952
>Return to Dominaria
Finally. I miss Kamahl.

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>>48059983
>An Oath every block
YES. YES. YES.

I dislike the Gatewatch as much as the next guy, but I absolutely love the Oath enchantments. Why?

>ETB effect
>Planeswalker support
>Legendary

Abusing the Legendary rule every turn to get the ETB triggers of the Oaths with Starfield of Nix is in a Planeswalker-based deck is one of the most fun valuefests of all time.

I wonder how powerfull a scroll would be if it told the story and events of the mending?

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I like Gisa's pose in that art, but I can't really point at the exact reason.

Maybe it's just the tits + exposed leg.

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>>48059983
>Maro confirmed we're gonna get one of these every block.

Source?

I know there is none. Don't bother.

Post your face when Liliana isn't monoblack.

>>48062035
Ah, Screeching Skaab had a sibling, too.

>>48062097
I doubt it. Just like I doubt seeing Jace, Gideon, Nissa, or Chandra more than monocolor.

>>48062085
He said there'll be another one whenever another planeswalker enters the gatewatch. Anonymous extrapolates and assumes that every block will include a new addition.

>>48061751
Oh, fuck. How did no one else notice that?

>>48059983
>>48061933
>New Oath every block
Sweet. They're great effects.
>>48060557
>>48060039
>Has two abilities
>Obviously that means it sucks unless you use BOTH of them

>>48060897
>There's not enough protagonists!
"Well it looks like we're going to have Gideon invite more to his special club"
>There's too many protagonists!

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Post YFW the Jacetice league gets curb stomped when they first try to hold off a Phyrexian invasion

>>48062117
>yfw the Gatewatch is going to be pushed and there's nothing you can do about it except jerk off to scenarios where things go your way

>>48058067
There is LITERALLY no reason for this card to be anything except mono blue.

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>Why is Tamiyo Bant?

Here you go.

>>48062138
Drawing from creatures dealing damage is more green than blue.

>>48062129
>yfw the gatewatch isn't a very big deal next block except Chandra and dank memesters like ITT are wrong again and they find something else to predict doom about

>>48062138
I don't see the white, but the G is there.

>>48062035
Is she doing a Thriller pose?

>>48062035
Excellent Delerium fodder.

>>48062169
Tapping creatures is white.

>>48062165
Liliana will be a big deal.

>>48062169
The tap effect and the way she'll likely play into tempo will probably make the card feel pretty white, at least.

>>48062175
Dunno, but Gisela is hot as fuck, in that "Don't put yo dick in crazy, brah" way.

>>48062189
Tapping nonland permanent for a turn is quite squarely blue.

>>48062193
I don't see a huge reason for Lili to go to Kaladesh-- Why do you think so?

>>48058067
>make a blue planeswalker
>make blue abliities for it
>casually add 2 more colors to its cost
>eh whatever print it

The fuck?

>>48062205
Gisa. Gisela is now a big pile of magenta/purple shit.

>>48062169

The + is UG hybrid
The - is UW hybrid
The ult is just U

>>48062205
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[tap]+[target]&color=+[W]+![U]+![G]

Okey.

>>48062213
Because she wears an extremely obscure and dangerous artifact and Kaladesh is literally the plane of artifact science.

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>>48062117
I want to believe but your arrogance is only increasing the chance of morbid irony.

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>>48062142
>Arlinn Kord could've been the badass werewolf legend we all wanted
>but they decided she needed to be a planeswalker instead of just a creature
>except now we have too many planeswalkers in the block
>can't just cut tamiyo entirely, she's important to the story
>can't cut any other planeswalkers, we need Nahiri and Sorin for the first part and Jace because Jace
>Tamiyo gets pushed into a third color
>mfw weremilf can't even be printed in future sets unless it's a DFC set
>Tamiyo declines joining the avengers because reasons
>odds are we never see Tamiyo again unless they either shoehorn her into being a villain (Sarkhan, Nahiri) or they kill her off (Venser, Elspeth)

>>48062230
now try to add "it doesn't untap during its next untap phase"

>>48062219
Gisa, yes, Gisa.

>>48062220
The minus is completely and uniquely blue. Search for a white card that does that effect if you don't believe me. Meanwhile Frost Titan, Exhaustion, Icefall Regent, etc.

>>48062230
The closest you have to that is Ajani, and that's exactly one card, and he doesn't tap. I mean, I can't help you if you don't see the difference between:
>tap target CREATURE
and
>tap target NONLAND PERMANENT AND IT DOESN'T UNTAP DURING ITS CONTROLLER'S NEXT UNTAP STEP

There are less than 10 white cards in the entire card pool that do that. To creatures. Not nonland permanents. Creatures.

Meanwhile, in blue...

>>48062233
Oh, that makes sense. The last story with Liliana in it seemed like it was kind of handwaving away the idea of Liliana fixing her Chain Veil problems with science, though.

>>48060039
Expect new members of the Gatewatch to include:
>Ajani
>Karn
>Sarkhan
>New Indian girl from Kaladesh for ethnic diversity

And I'm looking forward to it.

>>48062303
Not every werewolf needs to be represented as a DFC. They could easily make Weremilf as a planeswalker with other mechanics.

>>48062317
>New Indian girl from Kaladesh for ethnic diversity
As long as she's unwilling to cover her belly and has long dark curly hair, I'm all for it.

>still no BLONDE planeswalker

NORSE BLOCK WHEN

>>48062356
Redheads are like super-blondes.

>>48062317
I feel like Karn is firmly in the "Better things to do" camp alongside Sorin.

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>>48062367
In this art, at least, she's solidly in strawberry blonde territory so I'll allow it, but we should still have a (preferably Mardu) blonde with nordic styling. If it was going to happen anywhere, Kaladesh may as well be the place.

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>>48062317
>yfw Urabrask joins the Gatewatch

>>48062371
>Karn realizes that one of the planes he went to while he had Super Aids was Kaladesh
>Not wanting to see another plane fall to the same fate as Mirrodin he goes to try and stop the inevitable

>>48062429
>Mardu blonde with nordic styling
Make her 14/88

>>48062429
>strawberry blonde
That's a redhead, son. DOn't delude yourself.

>>48062309

Nah there's literally a white entwine card that does her - ability

>>48062449
Yeah but like Sorin, working to save one plane doesn't mean he'll actually join the Gatewatch.

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>>48062438
>tfw no planeswalker who is a small and cute animal

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>>48062464
Naw.

>>48062476
harmless offering kitten is the hero we deserve

>>48062309
Still an ability they could print on a U/W hybrid.
>>48062307
There are.

>>48062476
>Wanting a mascot character
They ruin literally everything they touch.