>They reprinted Donate, the absolute madmen!

>>48038748
Near reprint. They changed 'target player' to 'target opponent' so you can't donate to yourself.
Also, they changed the color.

>>48038758
Still, it fills me with hope.

Academy Rector reprint when?

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Oh baby.

remember that the ability is free

>>48038788
It's shit tho.

Also bb unplayable in anything not mono black

>>48038923
They're desperately trying to make RB vampires a thing. Mana fixing in current standard is also good enough to support a BB spell in that

Falkenrath Gorger into this is going to be a bitch to beat

>>48038788
>Hey, kids! We just gave you a reusable, free discard outlet! Go play Vampire Madness!

Color intensive
No cheap Madness threats anyway
Fucking useless.

If R&D put as much thought on actual design as they do in these obvious money traps, the game would be a lot better.

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>>48038748
That's cute!
And fun!
And red!

And there's probably going to be some neat cards for it to interact with in this set! Like some Demon you desperately don't want on your side of the field!

>>48040347
But then you'd whine about power creep anyways. They very well no that there is no way to please you fucks, so why should they actually care about that?

>>48040379
>no
know*

>>48038758
>donate to yourself.
...what would that accomplish? What combos was that subset of card's function involved in?

>>48040408
Boku no Google.

>>48040379
So, you are saying that there is no design space between crap and overpowered.

>>48040408
Act of treason and similar stuff

>>48040456
>Cards that are slightly worse than existing cards
>BUT WITH AN ABILITY THAT MAKES THEM SLIGHTLY BETTER IF YOU CAN PULL IT OFF

>>48040456
You're going a BB Bear with an upside that works well within its tribe "crap". You're the one who removed that design space.

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So did they ever explain why Emrakul was able to mutate inanimate objects like lamps?

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>>48040377

>>48040485
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say magic.

>>48040485
From the art on that card, I'd say Emmy-chan mutated the human and he magicked the lamps to walk on their own, since it says he's a Human Wizard.

>>48040377
Demonic Pact is standard legal.

+1 for cute points
-2 for uselessness in current standard format.

>>48040408
Gain temporary control of opponent's thing.
Donate it to yourself for indefinite control of thing.

>>48040481
Nope. Vampire tribal is not a thing outside kitchen tables. This card is a clear attempt to help Madness strategies. It is true that Madness has been given a vampire flavor, but it is also true that the tribal element is irrelevant for the strategy.

Read what I said. This card is fine for a madness deck, but the archetype itself is a trap. Madness needs cheap, reusable discard outlets and threats that can be payed for with cheap Madness costs. This vampire dude provides the former, but we are lacking the latter. What the hell am I discarding for this guy turn 3? Incorregible Youths? It would actually be better to play the youths off a Heir of Falkenrath. Where the hell are the fucking bombs?

And the intensive mana cost makes it even harder to pull it off. Madness best play turn 1 is Insolent Neonate (R). Then on turn 2, I need double black. Not terribly hard to pull off, but it is yet another hoop to jump through. Why? Would this be so OP if it were 1B, instead of BB? How about if it were a 1/1 for B?

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>>48040586
History has made them cautious with their Madness cards and enablers.

>>48040517
>>48040498

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>>48040618
>History has made them cautious with their alternative costs
Fuck off.

>>48040644
Cruise was fine in standard. Wizards really doesn't consider balance in formats other than standard and draft because they are too lazy.

>>48040644
>8 mana draw 3
>that requires 7 cards in your gy to become sorcery speed ancestral recall
I mean it ain't perfect, but it's not literally ancestral recall.

>>48040485
>So did they ever explain why Emrakul was able to mutate inanimate objects like lamps?
Their presence warps physical space because they're extra-dimensional.

>>48040485
It could be Nahiri. She twists stone and metal.

>>48038748
If this is real I'm definitely getting one for my girlfriend

>>48040685
>I mean it ain't perfect, but it's not literally ancestral recall.
Hahaha, this guy. LOL. Recall is so powerful that there's a huge gap under it where a card can be less powerful but still do the exact same thing to a format, which is why it was an instant ban in Legacy and Modern, and got restricted in Vintage. It's also an automatic include in every blue EDH deck.

>>48040618
As well it should. Original Madness was too good. But, SOI Madness is too bad. There is plenty of room in between to make it actually balanced, playable and fun. Even flavorful.

>>48040586
Maybe Falkenrath Gorger turn 1, this new guy turn 2, Olivia turn 3 and swinging for 6 damage, madness cleric turn 4 and you swing for 14+? Hard to pull but not that bad.

>>48040530
...would it not be more efficient to simply run Confiscate or Mind Control?

>>48040682
And probably because it'd be fucking impossible given the immense card pool outside of those two formats...

>>48040801
>>48040682
It's not because they're lazing, I'm sure they would test for formats like modern if they could it's just that they have litterally no time

Oath of the gatewatch was finished at khans of takirs release date, they crank out their content non stop and probably only have enough time to test draft before they have to finalize the set and it starts getting printed

>>48040801
There's an immense sum cardpool, but not a very diverse cardpool that actually gets played. The archetypal decks don't exactly vary much

>>48038748
>The guy's finger has a bandage.
>The kitten's tail end resembles a mouth.
Sp00ky

>>48038748
It should have been a puppy, also I would be pretty angry if I pull this shit during the prerelease.

>>48040764
Confiscate and Mind Control have the issue that if/when they fall off, opponent gets thing back. Donate just lasts.

Moreover, Donate is cheaper and combos with other stuff like "exchange control" shenanigans (instant or activated ability):

Cast Donate targeting your own permanent A and yourself
With Donate on the stack, exchange control of A for opponent's permanent B
Exchange resolves, now you get B and opponent gets A
Donate resolves, now you get A back

>>48038748

It's dangerous to go alone. take this.

>>48040586
You could fiery temper something and play another two drop.

>>48040867
If exchange resolves like that, then donate would have no legal targets and be countered.

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This set is amazing, finally they're not scared of printing powerful and fun cards, crashing this game

>>48040844
Kitten is cuter. Also why would you be mad about getting a great card at prerelease? It's not like you're able to use every rare in limited usually

>>48040949
>finally they're not scared of printing powerful and fun cards
They're only throwing us a bone. In reality standard will still be boring as fuck, and the next block will be Return to Theros.

>>48040867
What >>48040940 said.
You'd have to find a way to forcibly give your opponent control of Donate while it was still on the stack for what you posted to work.

>Play Demonic Pact
>Choose You Lose the Game first

>>48040976
>Lose

>>48040976
You'd still control the ability itself.
The only way to make the new card + Pact work is to wait until Lose is the only option left.

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>>48040978

I don't care about real life

>>48040976
Harmless Offering works at sorcery speed and even if you could cast it in time, the effect is still under your control for the turn. So you would lose anyway.

>>48040867
I get that, but to use Donate like you're describing would take 2 cards (Donate and whatever you gained control of the thing with in the first place) and is almost certainly more mana intensive.

Act of Treason + Harmless Offering would be 4RR, for example. The same as Confiscate, except with Confiscate you can grab any permanent, not just a creature; and it takes 1 card, not two.

It just seems more efficient. Assuming you're willing to run Blue, anyway - but if you're running a deck centered on stealing shit, why wouldn't you?

I think you're all missing the real point here in that you can run this and Demonic Pact in the same deck as Triskaidekaphobia and Meme Tree, giving you twice as many shit combos to kill your opponent with.

>>48041002
All the shitty combos.dec

>>48040983
Which is still pretty nice.
Although opponent will likely expect you to try to get rid of the card in some way by then and prepare counters if he has them.

>>48041002
>just run these 4 cards and all the kill spells and hand disruption possible

this is going to be a wild ride.

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>>48040989
>this entire post

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This is the new spoiler thread? I get people complaining about this not being Craterhoof, but besides Natural Order and whatnot, Cratehoof usually comes out later than this guy.

The triple green is pretty rough, but Overrun effects typically have that.

UG Emerge seems fun. And hey, one neat thing is that for some of these (not the boar), you can probably run them in a deck that only splashes U or G. Since you could hardcast it if you have the mana.

>>48040730

I play RB Madness and I still think that line is worse than Insolent>Heir>Youths. But the problem still remains. WE HAVE NO FUCKING FINISHERS!! Where is our Arrogant Wurm?

>>48041050
>Get super excited about donating Demonic Pact
>Look at Standard
>Every deck has 4 main-deck Dromoka's Command
I'm fuckin' triggered.

>>48041303
Isn't that what the Youths are? Haste instead of trample?

They both cost 3.

>>48041277
What I'm thinking is sacrificing Regal Force to cast this guy for GGG German Goo Girls LOL, but it begs the question of why didn't you just drop a Hoof instead of Regal Force.

>>48041329
This is not eternal playable for the exact reasons you listed. But there may be a deck that can sac a CMC 4 dude on turn 5 for an uncounterable overrun alongside a 7/7 hastey trampler.

I am writting a letter to Wizards because this is an obvious breach of their promise made when the reserved list was formed. As a collector I can safely say this is a dark day that sets a precedent for more future abuse.

One could argue this is downright illegal.

>>48041315
Don't worry, that cycles soon.


oh wait

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>>48041387
Right there with you

>>48041387
but it isnt.

its not even a functional reprint given the donate combos listed above that harmless offering cannot do

>>48040969
It's confirmed that the next block is Kaladesh, Chandra's home plane and one we haven't had a full set on before.

>>48041277
>A tentacley hog ravaging the lands
Oy vey it's Mononokehime all over again

>>48041508
That was a great opening.

>>48041508
>Oy vey
What does a mildly annoyed jew has to do with any of this?

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>>48041532
>The goy doesn't know

>>48041532
>Jews aren't allows to like animu
>>>/pol/

>>48041532
>Silly goy doesn't know that the Mouse publishes Ghibli movies in the west

>>48041532
But Anon, the Jews have something to do with everything

>>48041486
So if they came up with ABUR duals minus the basic land type, they would not be reprints, cause you can't fetch them.

C'mon, Mark.

>>48041387
kill yourself

>>48041666
That's admittedly true. Like, I consider Snow Duals as cheating, but duals with no basic land types? Broken as all fuck, but not similar enough to be reserve list breaking in my opinion.

Especially since fetches are so important for legacy, with Brainstorm and all.

From a flavor standpoint I can understand no longer using them, but is anyone else sad to see Investigate no longer being used?

I thought it was a balanced, interesting mechanic that could have used a bit more play before being cut.

>>48040721
>Pillaging your precious graveyard to draw a measly three cards.
>Not just paying life from your 40 life pool to draw as many as you want.

Cruise isn't in any of my EDH decks.

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>>48041666
yes. that is exactly and specifically how this works.

>>48041315
Just run other Enchantments. Silk Warp, Stasis Snare and Starfield of Nix.

>>48041702
You are aware that MaRo himself said that the premium set reprint of Negator and the card you posted were mistakes, right? Not allowed anymore.

>>48041702
I remember hearing they got shit for Reverberate, actually. But I might be wrong.

>>48041697
/tg/ really is bad at magic.

>>48041387
>>48041486
>>48041702
>>48041666

Wizards is on record saying that they weren't going to do stuff like Reverberate again. Remember, Reverberate happened back around the last time they tried fiddling with the reserved list. Which is why I find this donate surprising.

>>48041694
It's because we can't have nice things.

>>48041694
We'll get it again. And yeah, super bummed. Clue tribal is basically impossible even in EDH, despite the number of cards that care about sac'ing artifacts.

Crossing my fingers it'll come back at some point, but as it was just a limited bandaid sort of mechanic, I doubt it.

>>48041532
Oy gevalt!

>>48041768
Saner heads prevailed. Donate isn't even oldschool magic, it shouldn't be on the fucking list. Nothing made after Legends should be.

>>48041768
Reverberate not making the card red is WAY more similar to Fork than a card that targets opponents and more importantly, is RED and not blue.

Twincast was fine for example.

>>48041791
>everything floats down here!

>>48041768
Wizards dislikes the reserved list just as much as the players do, I think. That's why they keep trying to wriggle around it.

With this one being in a different color and not being able to target the caster, maybe it's different enough.

>>48041694
I was really hoping to see more Investigate too. It's a mechanic with lots of design space.

>>48041798

If saner heads prevailed the reserve list wouldn't exist. It's not like I'm mad about donate getting reprinted,it just shows inconsistency or shifting front on wizard's part.

>>48041791
>we float... oh we all float down here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdDdC4go6c

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Sorcery pod

>>48041817
I was hoping for more clue payoff, at least. effects that sacrifice permanents or trigger when a permanent dies/is sacrificed. given that the g/u archetype has pulled a hard left i'm not expecting it.

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>>48041820

>>48041830
this is pretty neat

>>48041820
Sick. I like this more than Mikokoro.

>>48041830
Aw, it is cute. But yeah, not good. We have better pod variants everywhere. They even exiled the fucker, as though pods aren't traditionally repeatable.

Yisan and Hibernation's End seem better.

But hey, maybe there is some standard combo I'm missing.

>>48041830
So what's the best 4-drop to get on turn 3?

>>48041830
>Exile it
>Sorcery speed
Ewitt is sad.

>>48041866
Emerge? Maybe?

>>48041882
1.
2. 2-drop creature
3. >>48041830
4. 8-drop Emerge

>>48041876
Kalitas, new Gisela.

you can also sac a 0 cost token to get a 2 drop

>>48038788
>discard Youths
>cast Youths with Madness while ability is still on the stack
>Youths resolves and hits the board before ability resolves
Neat.

>>48041876
Kalitas
Thought-Knot Seer
Archangel of Tithes
Pia and Kiran

>>48041882
I mean, it makes sense with that being the UG archetype, but with Emerge creatures basically being the highest CMC things in the set, I have a hard time imagining what you'll be evoing into.

So, you evo your Wretched Griff from a 3/4 Flyer into...? You can grab a 9 cmc. Oh wait, or less. Well, that's nice.

>>48041876
I dunno but you can get a turn 4 reality smasher.

>>48041830
>Sorcery speed
Deal breaker. What a shame, this had the potential to be my new favorite card

>>48038748
Wait, would this work with a Phage, The Untouchable?

>>48041960
No, Phage doesn't leave the battlefield when it changes control

>>48041960
Why would it? It's not entering the battlefield again, only switching sides

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>>48041895
If you're on the play, you could flash this guy in and tap all their lands on turn 4 lol

>>48041966
>>48041968
That's what I thought. Just confirming

>>48041973
I swear to god turn 4 upkeep flashing this fucker in is going to be the play I'm going to lose to every single draft pod

>>48041984
its a rare bitch.

chill.

>>48041973
that's very resource intensive, but not the worst position to be in, honestly.

fuck I'm already tired of seeing tentacles in every goddamn art.

>>48041830
>People forgetting that Pod activates at sorcery speed

Better pick up a playset quick shits Modern playable at least.

Guess green will rule standard even when CoCo rotates

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>>48041830
>everyone calling it the sorcery pod

It's a fixed natural order.

>>48041984
I for one welcome our Elder deep friends!

>>48041590
Oh okay. I forgot.

>>48042053
>1 mana cheaper
>doesn't require either creature be green
>"fixed"
I bet Maro did this!

>>48042006
Pod also costed 3 colorless and could be used an infinite amount of times.

>>48042090
Are you really that stupid, or are you just pretending?

>>48041973
Sick combo with Mulldrifter.

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>>48042101
i was half joking, i mean remember when he "fixed" necropotence?

>>48042123
Maro's no developer, for sure. I do hate Necro's ugly text, but it is there for a reason. Same with Transmute Artifact and it's fixed version, Ticker.

>>48042123
This + Harmless Offering.

>>48041508
Literally came here to post this.

>>48042156
Sounds useless to be honest.

>>48042156
Yes, give them one of the strongest enchantments for free. Great idea.

>>48042176
oh cone on, it's just like that bargain + donate deck from back in the day that never existed.

>>48042099
One per turn if you don't have a method of untapping it. Also restricts you to only cards that cost +1 cmc more than what you sacced.

Just face it, this thing it's going to be bonkers in standard and even playable in abzan coco

>>48042123
I mean... it's a stronger version of Necro sure, but it's also not something you can really cast off of a single land. Necro was the more oppressive card, Bargain was better designed. It's just that Life=Cards at a 1:1 or even 2:1 ratio is fucking bonkers. I'm not sure how that wasn't instantly figured out when the first combo people figured out was Life=Damage at 1:1=Great

>>48038923
You're bad at Magic. This will give BR vamps a huge push.

>>48042207
>playable in abzan coco
As someone who played that deck since Pod was legal, I can safely say that you have never played the deck. You can't put this in Podless, a deck that is based on the power of coco because it would mean that you would only have to use it on 1 drops or it would mean that you have to pack your deck with 4 and 5 drops in order to get value from saccing used up Living Roots and Finks, which again works against CoCo.

This is going to be pretty neat in kiki chord tho but that depends if it can provide enough value to overcome the sorcery handicap

>>48040708
Nahiri can't make shit crawl on it's own.

>>48040712
Your right hand needs that card to play in casual.

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how fake is this shit?

Is it better than fetchlands?

>>48042210
The biggest flaw of Bargain that Necro doesn't have is that Bargain lets you stop whenever you want.

You can draw until you get the three cards you need to win the game. With Necro and to a lesser extent Grissy, you have to pay a chunk and if you didn't get those cards, tough titties, should've paid more.

>>48042290
>>48042302
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE YOU FUCKING SHITHEAD?

>>48040969
> return to greece
More like Return to Tolarian Academy.

>>48042336
How is it even comparable to fetch lands?

>>48042336
Incredibly fake. But it could be a mockup. Seems way busted. Way busted. A land that draws a card?

>>48042336
>One charge counters.

>>48040969
>Return to Theros

Only so that it can be compleated and give Elspeth a reason to join the Jacetice league

>>48042339
Don't reply to it.

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>>48042336
>change counters
i don't know man you tell me

>>48042336
>change
>one change counters
>T: Remove a change:
>remove a change
>put it onto you hand
Are people this dumb?

>>48042336
Either way, the art looks nice

>>48042380
Yes.

>>48042389
You're mom looks nice

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>>48041387
> WotC makes alt banned card
> looks like Donate's pricetag is going down the drain
> Oh well, at least I've got my binder of duals to appreciate

>>48042336
>>48042380
>bottom stolen off an SOI card, apparently around CN #130, artist Cliff Childs?

>>48041277
> sees wild monstrous boar
https://youtu.be/J9d9UrK0Jsw

>>48042415
>Those black bordered strip mines

God damn those looks good. All I have are stupid white bordered ones.

>>48042415
It isn't donate though, it is in entirely different colors. If you need donate in blue, the new one does nothing for you.

>>48041876
Gisela.

>>48042464
Oh yes, we all know what a hard restiction splashing colors is, especially in older formats that have the ability to abuse cards like donate.

Also, hello MaRo.

>>48042415
Maybe they shouldn't try to be jews in a game that's meant to be played.

>>48042360
WB Meld Elspeth? That's a monoblack Legendary Zombie and a Monowhite Legendary Spirit that Meld into a Planeswalker by the way.

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>>48042490
>Zombie
>Becoming a walker

>>48042484
it also doesn't have the same combo's that donate can do.

At what point are they not the same to you?

>>48042512
Someone doesn't know how things work on Theros.

>>48042336
This is so fake I could literally write better by pecking my nose on the keyboard:

moonlight pool enters the battlefield with a charge counter on it.
t.. add anus to your mana pool.
t, remove a charge counter from moonlight pool.. search your library for a forest or island card and put it into your hand. then shuffle your library.
.. is colon

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>>48042516
>it also doesn't have the same combo's that donate can do.
The steal creature interaction? Is that why you think Donate was played when it was printed?

>>48042526
Someone who has died cannot be a walker. It's why Phyrexians cannot have a spark.

>>48042533
>.. is colon
Why not just use colon?

>>48042490
But I want Elspeth to emerge even whiter than before!

>>48042553
Because I was pecking at the keyboard with my nose and couldn't hold the Shift key to get a colon character, which is also why no caps in the nasal rewrite.

>>48041818
The reserved list is unfortunately too old to abolish, it's fallen under the realm of Promissory Estoppel. Since it's gone this long, it has become a legally binding agreement that wizards does NOT have any way of getting out from. And if they try literally any person (natural or artificial) that owns RL cards can order a cease&desist.

>>48042567
Fair enough, didn't know that's what you were doing. You could have used Caps Lock.

>>48040485
I don't think those lamps are even mutated. They're enchanted or something. Whatever it is, it's different than what's happening to living creatures.

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Fucking what, am I the only one seeing value in this thing or am I hyping it up too much?

She'd be perfect for a Meren deck.

>>48042546
When you can put a spark in a hunk of silver and get a Planeswalker, I have my doubts.

>>48042542
>steal creature
Its actually capable of stealing permanents so lets clear that up.

Regardless does that matter on what donate was used for when its printed? Considering many different cards with different effects have been printed since then, there are more interactions that now exist then when donate was originally printed.

The cards have different colors, and effects that lead to different interactions.

>>48042609
He took it from someone else. So they could, for example, kill off a lame planeswalker like Nissa to do the same.

Also Karn is a faggot.

>>48042546
Elspeth didn't really die, Theros death is like greek death.

>>48042607
>X card is epic for my Y commander deck
SOMEONE STOP THE PRESSES!

>>48042546
but death on theros is dumb. also aren't returned and their eidolons supposed to be incapable of reuiniting? if the two were brought together in the face of their apparent fate and returbed elspeth to life whole and fresh she wouldn't be an undead so spark's fine. also this would make for much better story potential and a great story moment where returned and eidolon meet and theros's arbitrary dickhole
laws get blown away, rather than just "she found some other way back because reasons"

>>48042634
Well there are plenty of other commanders the card would go great with: Sheoldred, Old Olivia, etc.

That was just what I had in mind. no need to be a penis.

>>48042484
Donate sees no play in any legit format. The only thing keeping the price up is nostalgia.

>>48042635
>also this would make for much better story potential and a great story moment where returned and eidolon meet and theros's arbitrary dickhole laws get blown away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZzlqkIQlU

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>>48042533
I wonder who is behind this post.

>>48042581

The reserved list can only stick around if there's money to be had by making sure it sticks around. There are several ways around the reserve list that would destroy the value of certain cards on it without reprinting them directly. For example, if the next conspiracy set were to have a fetch land that allowed any land fetched with it to come into play untapped then the value of original duals would be destroyed.

Or less targeted tactics could be used. There's nothing saying the reserve list needs to be allowed in a tournament. No RL legacy in any form destroys the value of the reserve list and is a completely legal move.

>>48042652
It is okay. Doesn't seem worth without madness though.

>>48042652
>X card is epic for Y, Q and W commander decks
>X card is good in EDH
What is Wizards even thinking? Making cards EDH playable is harder than making Vintage meta level cards but somehow they seem hellbent on breaking every format to make it happen. Only god can help us now.

>>48042680
Doesn't Donate cost like 3-5 bucks? Did I miss something?

>>48042701
Nobody who plays Legacy wants No RL Legacy though, everyone is convinced it would be an awful format.

>>48042581
except wizard doesn't control the price of the secondary market, and they cant be blamed for the detriment if they started reprinting.

>>48042690
Ha, it's funny because the guy image has a big nose.

>>48042706
Unless you're up against another token spewing deck forcing someone to sac 3 creature is usually pretty devastating.

>>48042708
>tfw you aren't a dick and enjoy playing more than one format

feels good not being a dick

>>48042484
>complaining because they reprinted donate
I hope you can shove your investments over your ass goy

>>48042708
Oh. Right. He's trolling. I didn't fall for the original bait, but when people started responding, I forgot.

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More "exile is graveyard 2.0" shit.
food chain

>>48041760
Provide a counterargument then.

You're probably even right, but goddamn if "hurr tg sucks at magic" isn't the laziest self-masturbatory comment possible and contributes absolutely nothing.

>>48042607
those legs are perfect for my dick

>>48042741
Oh look, a Mi-go.

>>48042748
I agree

>>48042720

The hubbub around the mere possibility of it around Eternal Masters proves you wrong. The only thing that would be wrong with it is potentially PoP in burn.

>>48042734
It targets though. A grave pact effect or hell, a Fleshbag seems infinitely better. Or hell, even a wrath.

>>48042741
3/3
can be cast from exile

exile it, if becomes target of spell/ability opponent controls

>>48041694
I'm a bit miffed, honestly. Unfortunately, the switch to two-sets per block killed Investigate's chances of getting a second set to get some love.

I'd have liked for Investigate and clues to survive into Eldritch Moon as Innistrad's defenders scramble to find any sort of weakness to exploit in Emrakul's brood, but at this point, we can only hope they decide to revisit the mechanic in a later block.

>>48042742
First, different colors. Second, singleton format. You should be running both.

>>48042741
>>48042775
Okay? They specifically didn't print shit for food chain with Torrent Elemental. Why'd they go back on it.

I like Skaabs, so I like this.

Oh and 3/3 for three, colorless. Sweet color pie.

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>>48042607
>Activate ability
>Opponent bolts

>>48042774
Yeah it targets, but if Grave pact is on the field then the 3 I sac won't be for not. And if there's no response to the target then that's an extra 3 the opponent has to sac.

>>48042741
I am a little disappointed the art doesn't imply that it's somehow connected to Misthollow Griffin.

>>48042799
no one is talking modern here.

>>48042799
>but what if X situation happens

you can argue situations all day bb

EDH isn't modern anyway.

>>48042809

I didn't know modern was the only format bolt/removal were legal in.

>>48042809
>Opponent casts StP
Happy now?

>>48042826
Unless the opponent is running full instances out of 99 cards and has the mana to pull the situation is less common than in modern still.

>>48042803
I'm not seeing it. For 5, I think I have better board clear.

I have a Lyzolda deck, so I get tokens, but paying 5 and sac'ing three to make one person sac three doesn't seem good enough. Sure, if I have Gravepact out, it is a lot of value, but any sac outlet would work.

>>48042809

Alright then, fiery impulse it or fiery temper it and hey look, you're down four creatures for R or 1RR depending.

>>48042742
>pillaging your precious graveyard

Like you don't run fetches, disposable artifacts or creatures? Are you going to Snapcast cantrips?

Unless half your deck is recursion, most of the time you're fine burning some cards off for drawing.

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>>48042799
>>Activate ability
>>Opponent bolts
Activate ability again. It's not like there won't be spare bodies with everyone and their mom shitting tokens all over this set.

>>48042776
Flavor wise, it seems to fit any first act mystery, which isn't that uncommon in MTG storylines, so i do hope we see more of it.

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>>48042415
Nice yellow bordered lands you got there.

>>48042825
This isn't just the old "dies to removal" argument, it's a legitimate weakness that deserves to be pointed out. You have to commit to the sacrificing without a guarantee of reward. It's like how Harrow gets to be a strong ramp spell because you run the risk of getting blown out by a counterspell.

>>48042762
That sounded like it stemmed more from people who couldn't afford legacy than people who currently play. But I don't know.

>>48041820
>those tentacles looming in the background

>>48042860
this card is only going to be used against heavy creature decks such as Mono White.

its a sideboard Vamp, nothing more.

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WOLFBOT

>>48042913
>this card is only going to be used against heavy creature decks such as Mono White.

You lost me at "this card is going to be used".

>>48042924
I love the synergy it has with one with nothing

>>48042924
this is stupid and hilarious.

>>48042924
Is that supposed to be like the Russian dog head experiment?

>>48042924
holy shit
Holy Shit

>>48042897
>without guaranteeing a reward
>potential to force opponent to sac
>lose nothing because I'm saccing 3 tokens
>if I have gravepact the opponent(s) still sac 3 creatures and an extra 3 if not countered

Oh wait I'm running Meren, even better:
>I get to rack up 3 commander points with the 3 sacs
>if the Vampire gets countered then or goes back to the graveyard big whoop Meren will bring her back

This isn't even considering all of the other cards that would synergize with Meren and the card.

"blown out," is an exaggeration that can easily be recovered from, m8.

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>>48042924
>Not Lupine Fiasco

>>48042924
I can't help but imagine robocop's voice going "ARF ARF ARF"

>>48042924
Ludevic is amazing. I love him so much.

I'm glad all our predictions for his ridiculous no zombie shenanigans are coming true.

Also, completely useless card, but hilarious. If vampires are hellbent, could it be worth running?

>>48042924
Ludevic you magnificent bastard!

>>48042924
This is one of those Rares you're going to open 5 of in every box.

>>48042924
Ludevic doesn't even have a card and he's way better than the Jacetice League or any planewalker

>>48042924
kek. Ludevic, you maniac.

>>48042944
>potential to force opponent to sac
That is not "a guarantee".

>lose nothing because I'm saccing 3 tokens
That is, by definition, losing "something".

>>48042635
This is my prediction. Then Elspeth ascends to godhood, decides the pre-existing pantheon would work much better as a monotheistic religion and starts wrecking their shit. Then all that's left is for Tibalt to show up.
>>48042863
But how many turns/other cards does it take to set up that could be better spent elsewhere? An eight mana spell that does nothing but draw cards seems underwhelming.

>>48042924
But then GIANT MECHAS aren't in Magic flavor anymore... COME ON!

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>>48042924
>Innistrad is going be be saved by an army of robo-wolves and Zombies

>>48042924
If this is the prototype, will we get another from our hero?

>>48042990
And Delverbugs, don't forget the Delverbugs.

>>48042581
>source: my ass

>>48042987
wow /tg/'s flavorfags are as bad as the card players, how do you take something with so much potential and shit it up like that? do ou work in wotc creative?

>>48042986
losing 0/1 tokens is losing something even though I'll get more plus saprolings and zombies next turn? Even though I already had 8 more before the sac? You seem like you're cherry picking m8.

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>>48042924
>Geralf gets Compleated in a later set
>yfw Gitaxis and Geralf working together

>>48042924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1nDafqdH9o

>>48043006
Hopefully.

>>48043040
Fuck, meant to say Ludevic

>>48042924
So, the benefits of having a wolf's head be the pilot is simply because there are lots of wolves, right?

>>48042924
That is silly as fuck, I love the flavor, and is actually playable. I'm impressed.

>>48043067
It's a wolfs head on a Robot body. What's there to explain?

>>48042924
We can make this work right?

>>48040833
One of the things they have to worry about is accidentallying a new combo or something, which means they can't just look for where things fit into existing archetypes.

>>48043089
How well would it fit into a Dredge deck?

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>>48042924

>>48043043
Im sorry friend anon, you have the wrong meme song for the meme doge.
https://youtu.be/H4wptBuM6zs

>>48043068
>I love the flavor
I don't get it. You're out of ideas, so fuck it, wolfbot engage?

>>48042987
>how many turns/other cards does it take to set up that could be better spent elsewhere?

You're missing the point. You don't have to do anything to set it up, because it rewards you for nothing but playing cards. You aren't "spending" turns or other cards specifically on Cruise. You crack a fetchland, that's +1, and you were always going to do that anyway. Sac Armillary Sphere, that's +1 and you were going to do that anyway. Play Ponder, that's +1 and you were going to do that anyway.

>An eight mana spell that does nothing but draw cards seems underwhelming.

If you ever cast it for eight mana, you have a problem.

>>48043106
Are there any strong discard effects in standard or modern?

>>48043109
You just know the Wolfbot has an extendable neck, don't you?

>>48043137
Dirty dirty worlfbot

>>48043021
>losing 0/1 tokens is losing something even though I'll get more plus saprolings and zombies next turn?

Yes, it is.

You can say you're losing "virtually nothing", but you are literally losing "some" "thing".

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>>48043125

>>48043068
>is actually playable
Not really

>>48043155
Well that's how the card works so I must be using it right.

>>48043124
Graveyard hate is very rampant in EDH, so you may end up in situations where your yard doesn't have much chaff in it.

And with recursion engines being so strong in the format, even exiling things like Fetchlands and Ponders can be a bad call. You certainly aren't going to Regrowth a Ponder, but things like Mizzix Mastey and Crucible exist.

>>48042924
I just realized i often have no hand when playing affinity and this is a two drop.

>>48043156
>draw a 4-drop the turn after, stick with your useless wolf

>>48043151
that was a reference to the Lesser Dog.

>>48043195
Clear, neat, precise. I like it.

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>>48043156
would this work at all?

>>48043195

Was wondering when we'd be seeing this again.

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>>48043195
>murder
>at fucking uncommon

>>48043195
>Uncommon
Oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>48042924
8 rack win con? Pack Rat is better, but this is cheaper.

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>>48043195
>Uncommon

>>48042924

That's it, I'm buying foils of this for the sheer jank factor alone.

>>48043209
>>48043212
Unconditional removal at common costs 5 now. Otherwise, uncommon. It will not affect prices for constructed formats.

>>48043207
it'll work for a turn.

>>48043183
That is actually a realistic expectation.

>>48043067
He probably tried it with cats first but they spent all day licking themselves and polishing their armor.

>>48042903

There are more people that want to play it than can play it? How is that not an issue?

>>48043244
>Murder
>Constructed
We're not that far down yet
>>48043221
This guy has the right idea

>>48041760
>/tg/ really is bad at magic.
You realize that he's referring to Necropotence?

>>48041791
I really like this card. I see some U/R legacy potential, a 3/2 creature is pretty powerful and runs over pretty much everything except Anglers

>>48043183
That... is actually a pretty good point.
Fucking Robot... Wolf... assholes.

>>48043195
So the whole "rarity = complexity" thing really is just a lie. It doesn't get much simpler than
three words.
>>48043124
Alright, so I see why it's not a bad card. But it's still a dead draw for the first few turns, and way less flexible than the blue one drops like ponder and preordain. And there's plenty of recursion in EDH, and even more gy hate. I think you'd be hard-pressed to have an ideal scenario for casting this. I plan for the worst and hope for the best, this card seems like it tricks people into doing the opposite.

>>48043256
Why am I not surprised. Our does a lot of that, but she seems to spend most of her that isn't licking parts of her anatomy or sleeping , demanding food with menaces or killing partridges.

>>48043320
>So the whole "rarity = complexity" thing really is just a lie.
When that argument fails there is always "muh limited ;)" to fall back on.

>>48043292
It's really slow though. You're looking at spending 2 mana for a 1/1 Looter, and then spending 2 mana for a 3/2. I'm pretty sure spending 2 mana for a 3/2 is not really where you want to be.

If the token had Flying though, I would agree. As is... really fucking iffy.

>>48043089
Vomit out your hand while playing affinity?

>>48042924
I get it, it keeps your enemies from playing their entire hand and transforming your werewolves. That's why its a wolf.

>>48043343
>mana for a 1/1 Looter
Thing is, since you get to "cast" the card you just discarded, it's closer to drawing a card than looting

>>48043343
>It's really slow though. You're looking at spending 2 mana for a 1/1 Looter, and then spending 2 mana for a 3/2. I'm pretty sure spending 2 mana for a 3/2 is not really where you want to be.

Very valid point, 2 mana is a lot especially since it won't even have haste, and then you've just invested 4 mana for a 3/2 and a 1/1.

I'll still pick up a playset for a standard jankbrew in any case

>>48043292
Nigga any creature that sees the rounds in legacy meta would be wasted being discared to make a 3/2. Hell you even need to pay 2.

>>48043342
Why do you care if it's a common or an uncommon then?

>>48043089
Eldrazi Mimic home slice

>>48042924
>Ludevic makes his dream reality, no matter how insane it is
This man is my role model.

>>48041830
Remand.

Unsubstantiate.

Har har har har.

No, that's no Pod at all.

>>48043262
You guys are running Ruinous Path. I don't know what to believe. Shit's a sorcery.

>>48042924
I want Geralf to be my Hype man now.

>>48043183
Oh.

OH.

Haha, holy shit, could Affinity actually find a new toy?!

>>48042924

Ludevic confirmed for best husbando.

>>48043320
>So the whole "rarity = complexity" thing really is just a lie. It doesn't get much simpler than
There is more to that. See also >>48043342

>>48042924
SIDEDECK AGAINST VAMPIRE MADNESS

>>48042924
Innistrad is rad as fuck, I love the mad scientist shtick. The Izzet league has got nothing on Ludovic.

>>48043447
That he is. So the components of this army of the visionaries will be Spooky Zombies, Sparky Zombies, delvermen and whatever SCIENCE Ludevic has come up with

>>48042885
I've never heard that term before. It's pretty amusing.

So, whose expecting Ludevic to have a robot-zombie dragon stashed away somewhere?

>>48043320
It sometimes means that they don't want common instant speed indiscriminate kill spells. Certain effects just aren't going to be at common these days under a certain cost. The days of running into Doom Blades left and right were kinda bleak.

>>48043417
Kills walkers. Kills players late-game.

I don't like it either, I miss Hero's Downfall.

>>48040586
>Vampire tribal is not a thing outside kitchen tables.

Wrong, you stupid fucking faggot. They existed during original Zen.

>>48043516
I've been wondering what the hell happened to Innistrad's dragons. They were quite interesting looking.

>>48043474
It's so convenient that there's multiple conflicting arguments so that whenever one is challenged you have more to fall back on. I wish they would just pick one and be consistent with it, then we possibly could have janky but complex and fun cards at common, but no. The complex but shit cards? Rare. The simple but good cards? Rare. That way half the rares are chase and half are trash and no one is happy but the investors and each pack is a gamble.

>>48043207

That's a 2-mana card to swing with a 5/5 with no evasion, once.

Why not just cast Lightning Bolt instead?

This is the best block ever.

>>48043584
I know right!

>>48043396

You say that like blue's actually worth playing this standard. In modern sure but in standard, I'm at least 75% sure your shit isn't getting countered at all.

>>48043320
>So the whole "rarity = complexity" thing really is just a lie. It doesn't get much simpler than
>three words.

I knew /tg/ was bad at magic, but I didn't know it was bad enough to think a limited environment with unconditional removal printed at common was a good idea.

>>48043555
I'm not disagreeing, I don't work for WotC.

>>48043601
Maybe, maybe not, there's a lot of cards that are left to be spoilered still.

Do you think this block will be fun enough that I could convince anyone to start playing Block Constructed?

I fucking love block constructed.

>>48043602
It worked fine every time they did it.

>>48043602
>unconditional removal printed at common was a good idea.
Have you ever actually played any limited formats older than M13?
Scratch that: have you ever played any pre-nwo sets?
Did not think so.

>>48043602
Implying I give a fuck about your fake format expertly designed to sell packs and fuck over consumers.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>48043624
>>48043624
You are about 15 years too late friend.

>>48043659
Oh, my.

>>48043659
Well then.

>>48043659
How does discard a card at random work in magic, anyway? I remember doing stuff like it in casual yugioh but it was probably wrong.

>>48043659
Oh my.

>>48043237
>Creature Type isn't Big Mommy-O
You had one job.

>>48043659
DeliriHymn.

>>48043681

they hold up their hand, you point at one of them

Please do not order the cards in your hand by type.

>>48043672
>>48043683
"Oh my"mind.

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>>48043659
This + WOLFBOT = PIC RELATED

>>48043533
So I guess you can play this card in 2009. On another note, your parents are cousins, aren't they?

>>48043659

Disappointed its not called Hymn to Emrakul.

>>48043700
Uh, no. Shuffle your hand, lay them out, roll a die. This isn't Old Maid.

>>48042924
Where are my testicles, Summer?

>>48043659
>1B Hymn if you have Delirium
The madment! The absolute madmen!

>>48043659
>card name doesn't use the word hymn
You had one job, Wizards.

>>48043739
I guess a whisper is to a hymn as this weak shit is to the real Hymn to Tourach.

>>48043195
I've always liked that card and I enjoy that new flavor text.

>>48043659
so.. Jund Midrange. how do control players beat it now?

>>48043570
Because WOLFBOT .