MTGEMN SPOILERS : DOWNS VAMPIRE CLERIC EDITION

>>48030667
Well, that card might have its ups, but it also has downs. Mostly in the artwork.

idk, it's harder to cast, doesnt have haste and still dies to languish and most spot removal. i don't see a huge advantage here over incorrigible youths except for the normal CMC
i haven't played much with my vamps deck yet tho

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BREKFAST PRIEST

>>48030688
Dammit, Carlos!

Is Reflector Mage the only reason why Bant Humans isn't just GW Humans?

>>48031039
that and baby Jace

>>48031039
Yes.

I didn't think they could pull it off but this set is shaping up to be worse than BFZ.

>>48031666
At least the art is mostly good and the lore is somewhat interesting, outside of stuff in which Jace and his Merry Men are directly involved.
Lili's battle against Emrakul might actually be fun, Sorin is probably in full angst mode and really wanting to bitchslap Nahiri, Geralf and Gisa are alive and have found a common cause, Thalia (and Ulrich too, I think, but somewhere else) is gathering her forces expecting a Glorious Last Stand which is something Innistrad's people seem to be really good at, I think we have yet to learn what Odric and Olivia are doing and I'm sure Ludevic still has some fun tricks up his sleeves.
Personally, I'm enjoying most of it so far.

>>48031914
Same here. I was really worried that Emrakul was going to replace a lot of Innistrad's flavour with LOL WASTELAND LOL TENTACLES, but so far things have actually been terrific. I'm loving how the mutations involve things like goat's heads.

Would an Eldrazi mutant survive being taken to another plane by a planeswalker, or would they die from being separated from Emrakul or from not being full on Eldrazi?

>>48032171
I don't think planeswalkers can take people with them

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>>48030667
Why couldn't they just have made Hellbent good?
My favorite mechanic and it is shit.

>>48032171
Better question: Can Lili affect dead Eldrazi with her necromancy?

>>48032198
Technically speaking they can, but the rigors of the Blind Eternities will annihilate the non-planeswalker in moments.

Urza killed K'rikk like that and I don't think it's ever been specified that this feature was lost in the mending.

>>48032198
Then how do summon spells work?

Seriously, my understanding was that there was some sort of agreement or contract between the Planeswalker and creature to come to their aid when summoned if not on the same plane.

>>48032299
Mana constructs made from memory. The greater familiarity/importance dictates legendary, from normal, to token.

>>48032299
I think it's like you're summoning a reflection of the creature from when you met it made from your own mana

Hence why you can get multiple iterations of a Legendary creature from different points in time

>>48032299
Summons for nonlegendary creatures just create the creature out of aether and mana.
Summons for legendary creatures create some sort of simulacrum of the particular entity.

>>48032331
>>48032335
>>48032340
WOW

That's a lot cooler than what I thought I read a while ago and makes a lot more sense.

Maybe I confused myself with Planeswalker cards.

>>48032198
They can't transport anything living without killing it, but people are just mass like their clothes and weapons so it would be a convenient way of hiding bodies if they make a serial killer planeswalker.

Eldrazi are different because they are native to the Blind Eternities.

>>48032377
If you wanna know more you should read feldons story hes a sad man but damn was that story enlightening on how summoning works.

Someone post the new Lili
>>48032499
Was just gonna suggest this. Great card, great flavor, great story. Shame it's a one-off.

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>>48032555
Card isn't revealed but this seems like the artwork for the card.

Here's link to story: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/innistrads-last-hope-2016-06-29

>>48032628
Is this fake then?

>>48032480

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>>48032628
I'm a little sad this is fake because I wanna make gisa and geralf proud with my 50 zombos

>>48032697
Possibly. I don't see any website posting it.

>>48032697
Absolutely, she's not breaking out of the border anywhere, Walkers are never entirely held in by card borders.

>>48032752
Only Gisa would be amused by quantity, Geralf and Ludevic are about quality.

>>48032697
100% fake. the guy wanted to make it in portuguese to match the leak of her name, but he obviously doesn't know portuguese.

>>48032821
Also it's 2 mana. And the fucking + ability seems to spawn 2/2s Not even 4 mana walkers can spawn 2/2s on their +s
Also
>Implying Portuguese is a language

>>48032752
You can do that easily with just two rise from tides

>>48032952
See I play EDH cause I dont have time for other formats like a normal person.

>>48033003
>I play the slowest format
>because I don't have time for other formats

>>48032848
The translation is:
+1: 2/2 black zombie, lose 1 life.
-2: search any library for a creature and put it into its owner graveyard
-4: Emblem "Sacrifice a creature: target creature -2/-2 "

I didn't even pay attention of what she does, and balancing aside, creatures in PT is "criaturas", cards is "cartas", and the phrase "Depois aquele jogador embaralhar seu próprio grimório." basically reads "After that player shuffle his own library."

The zombies ETB tapped. "Virado" is tapped in Portuguese.

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Well, found a new card for my Liliana EDH deck.

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>>48033050

Oh hell yes I did indeed.

>>48030667
>>48030705
Reminds me of the chubby asian tranny in drag from this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8nEkcKa_3g

Looks like a fun creature that goes perfectly with non-serious/non-competitive delirium+madness decks.

>>48030698
>harder to cast
Not really, we have 2 sets of dual lands to use.

>>48032752
>I cast Pyroclasm

>>48032697
This one sounds worse than >>48032752
That and MaRo said no more 2CMC walkers because Tibalt sucked cock

>>48030698
>A 4-mana field wipe can kill it
>Therefor its not good
>I haven't played much with my vamp decks yet tho
Yeah, we noticed.

Full spoilers on Friday?

>>48033091
That video was painful to watch from both sides. Fucking weirdos care too much about shit

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P O W E R C R E E P

>>48030667
Is it just me or does that symbol look like anus mana?

>>48033217
Dryad Militant was a thing.

>>48033169
They haven't even spoiled all the mythics

>>48033031
Tournaments tend to play a big(ger) part in most formats but when it comes to edh people usually just play a game or two with pals, EDH tournaments do exist but prize incentives tend to make it a degenerate combofests with some cunt winning on turn 3 with splinter twin or hermit druid before the other players have layed their second land, but anyway the point is other constructed formats encourage you to sink loads of time into the tournament system but EDH doesnt which is nice

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>>48033217
2/1s are SO 2004 grandpa, get with the times!

>>48033287
Basically this, I like that I only ever need 1 of a card too a playset would run me dry faster than singletons.

But to each their own the other formats are pretty fun to watch.

>>48033217
>play a 3/3 on turn 2
>block 2/1s for days

>give werewolves their legendary
>shit card without any tribal support
>give werewolves alternate transform triggers
>costs 3+ times the card's casting cost
Simply amazing.

Are werewolves the tribal deck with the worst actual tribal support?

Even Wizard tribal looks better than them in standard right now.

>>48033599
Don't forget that Immerwolf nonbos with the Eldrazi wolves

>>48033599
I think there's a fear of making werewolves too good because they're all basically two cards in one.

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Why do they never let me touch my opponents stuff anymore? Like I mean fuck really? Its the one thin I love to do and I never see it any more. I just want to ruin my friends day with their own decks and cards.

>>48031914
Read the story. Olivia and Sorin and Liliana along with the entire Voldaren clan and goddamn near every zombie between Stensia and Gavony are on the march to go kick the shit out of Nahiri.

>>48033807
Liliana split off, headed for Thraben so she could save Jace's boi pussi from spaghetti monsters

>>48030667
Shit, I just realized this doesn't have flying. Was thinking it was this block's answer to Falkenrath Aristocrat. Less excited now.

>>48033845
>boi pussi

I like you

the werewolf dream is dead my dudes

>>48033217
this with moonmist in modern sounds funky

>>48033722
I was thinking the same thing. For 8 mana it should hit opponent's GYs. It might have been justifiable in EDH that way but as is it is wayyyyy too expensive for the effect

>>48034041
"Transform all Humans."
sick safe passage my man

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>>48030705
all of my keks

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>>48032331
>>48032335
>>48032340
Explain Kiora summoning Lorthos

>>48033150
MaRo is a bitch.

>>48034305
That was the real deal because she was on Zendikar and giant sea creatures are her gimmick

>>48033003
>EDH
>Normal person
Sure, bud.

>>48034305
You mean in OGW? She just called for him and came up from his hideout.

Thassa's Bident can mind-control any sea creature. She's basically Aquaman with the bident, not to mention that she was able to call upon oceanic beasts before, too.

>>48034305
That was Kiora with Thassa's Bident ON LORTHOS'S PLANE, you idiot.

>>48033050
>five mana

Nope. Try again.

>>48034415
Don't be silly, it costs BBB and has to be cast while you discard it.

>>48034449
>madness generation is hard
get gud

>>48033722

Janky combo with soul tree.

>>48034449
I don't like cards that are only castable if your general is out.

>>48034415
>five mana
>too much for EDH
ease off on the gas, man. There's cutthroat and then there's "how do we even have fun here".

>>48030667
Is this character a non passing mtf, or just ugly?

>Subpar Legendary
>All Eldrazi Werewolves

I am not a happy Werewolf player. Even if the werewolves are actually decent.

>>48034415
>5 for a triple edict and triple sec engine.
It's fairly costed

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>>48034489

It's like you don't enjoy secret tech.

yes I know I can't use the mana to pay for madness

Liliana isn't my openly source of discard, but she is frequently out and flipped. This new vampire also happens to flip Liliana, and can be brought back the turn after you +2 her.

>>48034507
>not having an efficient curve to maximize the things you can do in a turn.

Challenge yourself to always have an average curve under three. Your games at all levels will get better.

>>48033032
from the few portuguese I know, that phrase seem to have a grammar error, which just proves the fakeness of said card

>>48034537
>I can't use the mana to pay for madness
I'm pretty sure you can, it's a mana ability so it doesn't use the stack. you have the mana before the madness trigger resolves.

>>48034537
>yes I know I can't use the mana to pay for madness
Can you explain this?

>>48034537
Why not? It's a mana ability.

>>48034537
Madness is a trigger which uses the stack, overeager apprentice has a mana ability which does not use the stack.

Basically, as soon as you use the ability you already have the mana, which you can use for the madness trigger.

God, I hope we at least get some green emerge Eldrazi and not solely blue ones.

I don't want to switch my deck from RG to UG to benefit from it, considering pure Eldrazi support in red are pretty much off the table.

>>48033217
>Werewolf Horro
>Double take
>Werewolf
>No shitty flip trigger
Fucking WHAT
Finally

>>48034720
probably. Emrakul's influence suggests emerge is going to be the g/u archetype replacing the g/u investigate build from SOI, so it would make sense. I would expect at least some emerge in every color, but it depends how big they want the mechanic to be.

>>48034777
Except now it doesn't benefit from Human buffs and can't flip off Moonmist and Immerwolf actually shuts it down

>>48034805
Vildin-Pack Alpha makes it bonkers though.

>>48034686
>>48034675
>>48034671
>>48034662

Well fuck me. My favorite toy just got better. Holy shit. That makes the new Vampire even better for my deck.

>Have Lili and apprentice
>drop vampire to apprentice
>flip Lili
>-3 for apprentice
>unearth Lili
>drop Big Game Hunter to apprentice
>flip
>BB floating
>-3 for Apprentice
>drop anything for Apprentice
>BBBBB floating
>Corpse Dance Lili
>sac 2 zombies and BGH
>Flip Lili and Vampire
>+2/-3 Lili
>ect

All for the low low price of B for the Unearth.

>>48034824
Yeah but that's any werewolf

>>48034871
but the eldrazi wolves all have an activated flip and don't turn back, so not only does it start you on the back side, it also saves you mana and your opponent can't force the cheap side back on you.

>>48033217

SHOW US THE OTHER SIDE

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>>48034988

>>48035015

Neat!

>>48035015

I was really confused for a sec as to why they didn't call it menace.

>>48034805
werewolves are so completely worthless as a tribe and people STILL have yet to realize this. They're supplemental to other cards at best. Especially with so few viable options in the first place.

>>48035126
I think people get it, as no one fucking plays them

Quick, name the few werewolves that are actually playable in a deck.

>>48035177
>village messenger
>geier reach bandit
>duskwatch recruiter

if you're talking about standard

>>48035177
Huntsman is the only real playable werewolf

>>48035177
Huntmaster of the Fells

>>48035230
>>48035239

What? Duskwatch is a pretty good werewolf too.

I could tell hes the second best werewolf since he can find other creatures.

>>48033050
>>48033067

Vampire Horror? Well I guess its time to call for IGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5KOhJqNofs

>>48035342

> DIE MONSTER!!!

Goddamn my sides.

>>48035367
Yeah I wasnt expecting that. I Lol'd so hard.

How these fuckers make all these iconic developers appear in their videos? Do they suck their dicks?

>>48034539
Jesus man. Edh is the most casual format, and while it it doesn't need to be all casual, all the time, there is no need to break the format over your knee. It's okay to relax a little bit and put some fun cards in.

>>48035441
not in my local player community there isn't. It's infinates, speed wincons, and tryhard as far as the eye can see and I hate it. I'm one of three decks that even uses creatures and one of two that even bothers to try casting the commander.

>>48035498
I guess that makes sense then. That sounds like a fucking miserable meta. I feel sorry for you man, that would suck the fun out of the game for me. I only play with my friends.

>>48035498
The store I go to has brackets based on points and infinite combos make you lose points

So that's nice

>>48035498
>Commander
>A game made for casual fun and general dicking around, even allows custom rule modifications because it's a casual format
>People being tryhard at it
Now that just makes me sad.

>>48035547

Lili-Deck anon here

I have no infinites in my deck on purpose just because of whiners. All it would take is a Phyrexian Altar, but it's more fun forcing an emblem while everyone has to ditch their hands and sac their creatures and eventually winning with like Gary or something.

>>48035530
>>48035564
The table politics are pretty engaging, but every single transaction is a nail biting affair because every single part of every single deck can set something off like a rube goldberg machine. Blink and you're looking at someone with 7 walkers and infinate turns/ ultimates. Blink again and suddenly only one player is ever untapping. Another and now everyone has 0 cards in their library and needs to draw a card. etc.
I just wanted to be a casual shitter with my rat tribal deck, but I don't even get to do that. If you're not competitive in this town you're swiftly steamrolled with no remorse because that's just how all the people are.
That said, when it comes to formats like standard, legacy, and modern there are an assload of very potent homebrews so that's nice at least.

>>48035770
>Blink and you're looking at someone with 7 walkers and infinate turns/ ultimates. Blink again and suddenly only one player is ever untapping. Another and now everyone has 0 cards in their library and needs to draw a card. etc.
That's why I love EDH desu.

I think it's perfectly plausible to play casual beatdown decks in EDH, you just need to pack enough cheap answers to shut down the biggest threat. Bojuka Bog if you're running black, Pithing Needle and Trinket Mage if you're running blue, etc.

And all the best tutors you can get your hands on, but I digress.

>>48035104
Read it again, it's inverse-meance

>>48035342
>>48035367
>>48035413

Vampire Hunter card when wizzards?

>>48036223

Yea I know. Took a minute.

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So why is no one talking about this stupid bastard

>>48036405
He's sweet, don't insult him Anon.

>>48036405
because you already called it stupid ;-;

>>48036441
But bastard is fine?

>>48033807

Man, just last week I was actually giving some praise to the collective writing team for creating an interesting dynamic where you can legitimately empathize with the varied points of view.

But this week's deluge of horrible, horrible writing tears down at my ability to even care about a single one of these characters.

Doug Beyer is a hack

>>48036405

I'm gonna break it. Its too good to be unbreakable.

>>48036527
the gobbos from RTR block would be a good paring. I really like this guy and the art is great. INN Homunculi are fantastic

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>>48036405
>Run a U/R Prowess deck
>see this
I'm sad that Elusive Spellfist will be gone soon, but maybe this guy will make a good substitute?

>>48036405

>NEED MORE INPUT
>MORE

I'm sad that Gisa and Geralf's storyline seems to be just them focusing on surviving.

I mean, I knew that Wizards would never let it happen, but a Geralf Skaab being a centerpiece of Emrakul destruction would be the choicest thing on earth.

Give Geralf a spark, damnit. He's a great character, he actually manages to make being manic an interesting character trait.

>>48036903
There's a lot of shit yet to unfold. Maybe Lili gets KO'd by the veil and they have to step up, along with Ludevic.

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step 1

>>48036931
>Only once per turn

on and before I forget, FUCKING STROMKIRK'S

>>48036970
Well it is once on EACH turn.. How many cards are you trying to discard?

>>48036984
Is that even a question?

>>48036615
and yet, the image is also an accurate representation of how Prowess works
kudos, dear Anon

>>48037006
I'm not sure what you're getting at exactly

>>48033722

>Ulamog 1.0 as commander
>Sac Ulamog to GY
>Trigger on stack activate Soul Separator
>Ulamog goes to Command Zone
>10/10 Black Zombie
>1/1 flying indestructible annihilator 4

>>48030667
Now that Madness is a thing in Modern, is One With Nothing going to be a thing?

I don't really want it to be--it's garbage. But it's really funny and I wish it got more attention...

>>48030667
I'm not entirely sure this is what Vamps need though. While a 4/4 for 3 that shocks every time it swings is good, it doesn't help the issue Vamps have with no middle or late game or the fact that the hand is being depleted twice as fast due to discarding and casting.

>>48036931
>BB
This doesn't help much either.

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>>48036405
Muh dick!

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BR vamps.dec is go

With so many horrors, will TitI sucks even more?

>>48036615
This is no replacement for Elusive Spellfist. Elusive Spellfist is a turn 4 kill machine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to play the shit out of Elusive Homunculus, but I won't be nearly as happy to drop it turn 2. It's not flipping until turn 3-5 in all likelihood, but at least it's some acceleration. Unfortunately, with the U/R Prowess deck I run, most of my spells are 1 drops, so 1 colorless mana doesn't really help when all I need is Red or Blue.

>>48036984
All the cards, obviously. Being allowed to discard only once each turn you're not likely to have the Condemned survive more than one attack phase anyway.

So where are the good guys? So far it's Thalia and Thalia alone. Where's my Order of Saint Traft UW unplayable in anything but Commander card?

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>>48037323
Technically.

>>48037323
This time, the zombies are the heroes. The ghosts might also be on the side of the good guys, but I'm not sure. And a few of Thalia's buddies are with her, like Thalia's Lancers, and I think by definition they're Order of Saint Traft guys, since she founded that or something.

>>48037409
Thalia's Stand, Saint Traft, is also on her side.

Saint Traft's Stand power is angel summoning, and can provide Thalia with angelic backup in a moment's notice.

>>48037393
>black heroes once again
feels good.
Hope we get a ludevic card too. Was also hoping for a reprint of the commander Gisa and Geralf, but this works. Mill should have been repeatable though.

>>48037449
There's plenty of blink in this set. Should be easy to repeat the mill with that.

>>48037393
>the people who helped bring the Eldrazi to Innistrad in the first place
>the good guys
Only if they have their faces dunked in burning oil after they win.

>>48037483
What

>>48037483
What? That was Nahiri. What do Gisa and Geralf have to do with the eldrazi?

>>48037483
going to have to explain how these two are actually Nahiri

>>48037500
>>48037506

Gisa had her zombies build the drownyard temple to begin with, at Nahiri's request.

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ALERT

LITERALLY RED DONATE

END OF THE RESERVE LIST?

>>48037531
Damn that's cute. I like how the end of the tail is a sucker.

>>48037531

I think being in Red makes it not a violation.

In any case

JESUS CHRIST, RED DONATE

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE BRAVE NEW WORLD

>>48037531
>cat
>not black
>on Innistrad
I'm onto your game...

>>48037531
YES

>>48037531

>Bitey tail
>Bandage on finger

>Harmless

>>48037531
>Red Donate, can replace Bazar Trader
OH YES! YES!

>>48037559
Red already had Bazaar Trader, I guess.

>>48037590
Bazaar Trader is strictly worse on a stick

This is a color shifted reprint

What the actual fuck

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>>48037531

>tfw Donate and Demonic Pact are legal in standard

>>48037627
>there are two actually neat combos in standard
What the fuck is going on?

>>48037627
DOUBLE YES!
Red Donate and a Black Illusion of Granduer. Standard here we come!

Other than color shifting a reserved card what's the big deal? MaRo has been saying they've been able to print things like this for years.

>>48037531
I'm pretty new to the game. Why is this good?

>>48037627

It'll be real hard to go into red but i'll tweak my Esper Pact deck to make it work.

>>48037657
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/official-reprint-policy-2010-03-10

>Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form.

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>>48037670
Stuff like this

>>48037670
You can give them things that actively hurt them. Look up Delusions of Grandeur and Demonic Pact

>>48037682
>implying wizards has ever truly given a shit.

>>48037685
kek, that's pretty good

>>48037670
Donate/Harmless Offering lets you send cards that have served their usefulness to your opponent. In standard right now, Demonic Pact from Magic Origins would be the card to donate to your opponent after you use everything good, and then they lose the game on next upkeep if they can't stop it.

>>48037627
>Red/Black triskaidekaphobia using Demonic Pact and Harmless offering as an alternate wincon
It'll be janky as fuck but it might do somewhat well at an FNM that doesn't have white fucking everywhere.

>>48037531
I love the idea of playing illusions/donate in standard

>>48037531

The only slight difference to donate is that it's target opponent rather than target player. All this means is you can't permanently gain control of something with Act of Treason type abilities.

But other than that it's Pact shenanigans ahoy!

>>48037627
The deck will be called Harmless Pact. Don't argue with this.

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>>48037531

>Demonic Pact
>Priest of the Blood Rite

>>48037685
Do the choices chosen by the original controller impact what choices the receiver can make?

>>48037685
totally building this along with the new evil tree of life and Triskwhatever for 13 life
Like I even give a fuck it's time for weirdjankwins.dec

>>48037718
>Trikaidekaphobia
>Demonic Pact
>The tree that sets player's life to 13
>Red donate
Thanks you based Wizards.

>>48037718
it doesn't sound too unfeasable if it's backed up by some way to stall the board on the ground. Jaddi Offshoot or some other early game wall might be workable.

>>48037718

I want to run the shit out of it. Trisk and Tree with pact and donate shit like Priest of the Blood Rite

>>48037531
So it's not COMPLETELY Donate. The only difference besides colorshifting is that it now says "Target opponent" Instead of "Target player"

Because everyone knows Donate was being used for Treachery shenanigans, etc.

It might as well be Donate but eh.

>>48037752
yes, thanks to the "that hasn't been chosen" clause. You're giving yourself a 4 turn clock to eke out value. Now you can turn it in to a 4 turn win

>>48037752

Yes. You must choose a mode that has not been chosen already. Changing ownership does not reset the mode choices.

So will this increase the price of the lose two life a turn guy and demonic pact?

>>48037840
probably, but not much until someone wins a torny with it

>>48037840
Not until the mtggoldfish guy makes a deck with it.

>>48037840
demonic pact - yes
priest of the blood rite - no

DTK and origins stuff isn't gonna spike like crazy unless it's very clear that there is a standard deck for them. fuck even Jace is sub $30 now because people are selling off all their origins and DTK stuff before rotation.

>>48037840
Demonic Pact, yeah. But only temporarily, unless someone finds a way to REALLY abuse it.

>>48037756
I don't understand, what's the use in donating tree of perdition? I'd love to know

>>48037885
No one said the tree is getting donated.

>>48037885
He's describing two different tricks. Triskaidekaphobia + hanging tree = win condition

>>48037903
Oh, oops. I see what I did

>>48036931
>three arms
Are they doing all the extra limbs to explain why Olivia had three legs?

>soi, fairly boring cards
>em, possibly one of the best sets seen in ages
What a time to be.

>>48037932
She has a big dick and it's not Emrakul's doing.

>>48037932
>three legs
Anon, Olivia has had a horsecock since original Innistrad. Emrakul can do some interesting things but that's all hers. I know some would be thrilled if Emrakul gave Olivia another one though.

>>48037958
she's only a vampire to satiate her Thirst©

>>48037982
>Olivia will never stroke your pen0r with her tentacle while pounding your ass
Why live?

>>48037955
I really enjoyed SOI, it wasn't crazy but also wasn't disappointing like Origins+RtZ block. While I hate the story for moon, the cards and induvidual card lore is so goddamn good.

>>48037583
>>Harmless
well it is...mostly harmless.

>>48037393
I was so happy to see a card with Geralf and Gisa

Then I was immediately crushed by how shitty it is

Seriously how the fuck is this mythic at all? Even Sidisi was better and more fun at zombies then this

>>48037746
That's too creative. It'll be called Rakdos Combo.

>>48037682
>functionally identical
>from reprint policy: "A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."
>"mana cost"

Donate costs blue, Harmless Offering costs red. Not functionally identical.

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>>48038386
Come on man, with a good sac outlet think of all the fun ETB affects you could abuse. Especially with painter effects.

>>48038750
Ghoulraiser is a really good combo enabler with G&G.

Fleshbage Marauder is great Delrium fuel.

>>48037506
>>48037500
>>48037512
>No one in spoiler threads actually reads the URs

>>48038831
>reading bad fanfiction made offical

>>48038831
>reading trash

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>>48037531
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY

>>48038844
>>48038845
Hey they haven't been BAD fanfiction since BFZ block.

I Am Avacyn was great and most of the other stories have been various levels of good, even though the gitrog story was really cliche.

>>48038860
WE'MRAKUL

>>48038868
Eh, that's kind of stupid but it's supposed to reference how even Cthulu's name fucked things up.

>>48038880
>kind of stupid
It's balls to the wall retarded, man.

>>48038868
WUZ'MRAKUL

Functional red reprints of Tolarian Academy and Ancestral Recall imminent. Red is the new Blue.

>>48038905
>Wizards finally gets blue cock out of its mouth for the first time in 23 years
>Starts sucking on Red now
Eh, it could be worse.

>>48038903
KANGZ'MRAKUL

>>48038905
What about colour identity of functional reprints like Necropotence and Memory Jar? White?

>>48038952
We got a Necropotence reprint already. A Memory Jar "reprint" could be a blue sorcery.

>>48038905
I'm still waiting on a red snapcaster variant, like it was originally intended.

>>48039016
But anon, we already have a red snappy

>>48038868
I think Emrakul's name being a literal possessive pronoun is interesting, if poorly executed by Kreines getting to write that story.

>>48039016
>like it was originally intended.

It was never intended to be red.
It was pitched as blue and nobody thought to question it throughout the design process, but it became extraordinarily obvious in retrospect.

I have to as, but how does Neglected Heirloom interact with Meld?

>>48039399
The creatures leave the battlefield when they meld, so it doesn't interact at all. If Heirloom is equipped to critter A, and critters A and B morph, both A and B leave the battlefield, so the Heirloom becomes unequipped and critter C (the melded thing) enters the battlefield.

>>48039399
Transform and Meld are different mechanics, even if they more-or-less play the same. Say you used Moonmist to Transform all Humans, Midnight Scavengers and Hanweir Garrison would be unaffected, even if you have the other Meld materials for them.

>>48039419
>>48039509
Ah, thanks.

>>48032779

> What is Domri Rade.

>>48039632
He's a cute.

>>48039632
There are a good handful.

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>>48039682
>>48039632
Forgot pic.

>>48039682
>>48039688
Vronak-Chan, you are not welcome outside of the snowstorm, BEGONE!

>>48039710
Nor is he welcome in it.

>>48039710
>>48039735
Gee Golly Willerkers!

Woah-I better get outta here.

>>48039818
You disgust me and I hope you explode.

>>48039843
Every night your mother wants me to explode.

Welp, this thread has gone to shit.

It was fun while it lasted.

>>48039862
Yes, we get it, you're trying to be mature, now go away.

>>48039881
It's all your fault too.

>>48039897
Vronak-chan, I know you're posting without a trip, but please, don't draw attention to yourself, it kind of defeats the point.

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>>48039890
Get back to talking about Spooky Moon.

>>48039903
Hah. You're adorable kid. I bet you also prophesied that Spooky Moon was going to be Liliana being the cause of all the madness.

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Reposting old spoilers to provide a distraction from the triptroll.

Post your speculations on whether they'll see play or not and in which formats.

>>48039913
>>48039926
I thought we told you to bugger off. Evidently you like the sound of your own voice too much.

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is it just me, or does the EMN Emrakul set symbol also kind of look like Liliana's tiara and hair?

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>>48039989
>>48039994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4

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>>48039986
Hodor.

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>we're going to skirt around the reserved list for one card this set
>here, have a red donate...A card MaRo said we would never reprint ever again
>I sure hope you enjoy opening these in boosters, they're bound to be worth a whole $1 wow!
>also the person who drew the art had never seen a cat before, so they did some kind of fat pig-cat hybrid.

>>48040028
As someone who loves cats, kittens can look that big, even if they didn't, its still fucking adorable.

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Decimator of Pronvinces
10
Eldrazi Boar
Emerge 6GGG

When you cast Edlrazi of Pronvinces, creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.

Haste, Trample

>>48040063
This doesn't seem good to me for what it costs. At all.

>>48040063
Overrun on a hasty beatstick seems good; Craterhoof Behemoth saw play in AVR after all.

>>48040063
Got to love all those overcosted as fuck creatures with emerge.

>>48040063
Craterhoof is so much better it's not even fair.

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>>48040063
Please let no one I face pull this at pre-release.

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I feel pretty bad for the werewolf fans this time around.

>>48040123
>all the DFC are just fleshpiles with eldrazi tacked onto them
>a whole mechanic just for eldrazi
>lol this isn't an eldrazi set

Why does MaRo feel the need to lie through his teeth constantly when he knows what he is saying will be debunked when the set comes out?

I fucking hate that man and I hate these fucking eldrazi even more.

>>48040123
Same shit happened with Avacyn Restored.

>>48040173
Well, hopefully Lilipad of the Forgotten Realms murders the last of the Eldrazi in this set. Then we won't have to see their faces ever again.

>>48040173
I personally love the Eldrazi, but I share your hatred of MaRo. He's like a child driving a semi truck that's carrying ten thousand pounds of nitroglycerin.

>>48040189
>Eldrazi
>faces

wew

>>48037531
>have a cat
>cat makes demonic pact
>I'm going to die in 4*24=96 hours
>gives harmless cat to friend after taking full advantage of demonic powers

>>48040063
Damn, shouldn't be hard to cast this t4 which is pretty scary. GGG kinda sucks though

>>48040195
>He's like a child driving a semi truck that's carrying ten thousand pounds of nitroglycerin.
Is this truck travelling on an icy road, at night with no brakes?

>>48040028
Hey man I don't care I'm hype as fuck for this shit.

>>48038386
WHY DO YOU FUCKS WANT CHASE MYTHICS

>>48040063
>mythic for a worse Craterhoof behemoth

Well this set is shaping up to be great.

>>48040063
It is pretty good. It is at least within the colors of eldrazi influence.
But so far, only the flash emerge looks good, since it can sac a creature that was already going to die, we need an egotist-like sac outlet and a UG Eldrazi is viable.

>>48040204

>>48040268
Eh, flavor does not always a good set make.

>>48040063
This is one scary 5-drop.

>>48040266
Deck construction.

>>48040268
The only positive I have to say about it is that it's got a better body on the off-chance your opponent has a fog the turn you cast it.

>>48040231
Yes. And the tires are full of bees.

>>48040289
You're going to have to explain yourself a little bit more.

>>48037437
...

I would absolutely read a JoJo where all the Stands are Magic cards.

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>>48040278
HHHNNNNNGGGGG

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>>48040028
>fat pig-cat

Because that kitten was warped by Emracool, dummy

>>48040280
But this set is shit flavoured.

>hey I heard you like gothic horror!
>eh too bad, here eldrazi, fuck you!

I bet the eldrazi spergs on this board will have another autistic fit of rage when Emrakul gets thrown in moon jail forever too.

>>48040303
Well It's either that or a Yugioh-esque show where the main characters use specific play styles and the Dredge player is a vegetable.

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>>48040301
Eldrazi face.

MaRo's job is to be the company punching bag. He's the public mouthpiece who takes all the blame for everything even if it's not his fault.

Every time you consciously blame him for something it means he's doing his fucking job and that is making it look like someone at Wizards cares about your fucking opinion.

Here's the problem. They only need to keep your attention for around 5 years because that's about how long it takes until you fucking quit. That's when they can reprint effects from 5 years ago so it seems new to new players. Eternal formats are just there to show they care about the history but in reality they don't because it costs a fucking fortune to play those formats; but they know that simply sanctioning those formats and giving them a name is enough to distract players.

Deal with it or quit. Because bitching at MaRo isn't going to change a fucking thing - it's his job to absorb all that. The problem is the players and how fucking stupid they are and how the inherent greed associated with the game gives players a subconscious incentive to ensure that other players remain ignorant so you can exploit that ignorance in games or in trading. Until players have the strength to crucify the sharks and assholes in the community there is just going to be this constant aura of ignorance; and a part of that ignorance is complaining at MaRo.

>>48040315
Wew, good opinions, me lad, good opinions.

>>48040303
Well, we already got a zombie that comes with its stand, and an artifact that extracts the stand out of creatures.

>>48037437
Saint traft is a stand user, he summons his angel stand to attack.

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>>48040321
Do you have brain problems?

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>>48040314
>Emrakul corruptions have extra eyes,mouths and lattice like pink shite
>the cat is fat and looks like a pig because emrakul

>>48040324
Not my fault you love shoveling shit into your face and the only comeback you have is "wew lad", like some 14 year old retard.

>>48040315
All I want is for Tamiyo to purify the shit out of Innistrad so that we get back to the old balance of abominations.

Hell it would even be cool if everyone knew that Tamiyo saved everyone's asses, because all the creatures in Innistrad would have a reason to look up to the moon.

>>48040337
The cats tail also has a mouth

>Harmless Offering + Demonic Pact
>Triskadekaiphobia + Tree of Perdition

SO MANY MEMES TO RUN IN A SINGLE DECK

>>48040343
Missed the point.

Emrakul doesn't make you into a fact shit, bad artists make you into a fat shit because they can't even draw a kitten.

I look forward to drafting and opening that card, going to be much value in limited :^)

>>48040337
Well, at least I'm not a retard who is angry at Wizards including in their gothic horror themed IP a genre that is a direct child of gothic horror. I mean, that'd be pretty stupid, right.

>>48040357
>Limited
>caring about rares
You don't play Limited, don't lie now.

>>48040364
Rares are often first picks if bomby enough, this will likely go around the table until some poor fucker just takes it for a laugh.

Most of the uncommons have been great so far though, so I guess they have to put the blank cards somewhere.

>>48040362
>lets ruin a plane just because cosmic horror is like gothic horror

I see you were inside the WotC creative meeting that day, how many times did MaRo stop to drain the embalming fluid flowing from his ears?

Please, please, PLEASE tell me there's gonna' be an eldrazi dragon hybrid!

>>48040352
>Harmless Offering + Demonic Pact
I'd like to build this.

Dark Petition, or Bring to Light? Radiant Flames is a good sweeper and reason to go outside RB colors right? Or is Languish better around?

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>>48040337
>THE CAT IS FUGLY
>REEEEEEEE

Anon, please...

>>48040384
>Rares are often first picks if bomby enough
Yeah. Or not.
>this will likely go around the table until some poor fucker just takes it for a laugh.
'kay, cool, that happens often enough though.

>muh plane, muh lore
Don't be a faggot now.

>>48040403
>muh plane muh lore

Right, so just because you don't give a shit about the setting means no one should right?

I bet you moaned about the gatewatch stuff.

>>48040384
> I guess they have to put the blank cards somewhere.
Not the one you we're talking with, but that's the fucking point. Maro stated many times over that one of many functions of the rare slot is limiting the number of such blanks in limited.

Also play redrafts if you've a problem with rares, as long as you're not a shitter your chance of getting some good cards from the draft actually increases. From my experience being a consistent 2/3/4 placer makes me usually quite happy with my pick.

>>48040364
His first draft must have been Eternal Masters.

>>48040412
No, because I realize that, overall, you're not going to have a good story out of anything Magic related. You may have some pieces that are good, because the writer/artist cared enough, but the goal of the story is not to tell, but to fucking sell cards.

Basically, don't be an optimist when it comes to a corporation's franchise's lore, that's just stupid.

>we must defend everything to do with the new set because we're mindless wizards shills who would defend them putting actual dogshit in the packs because "its for flavour and limited!".

Kek, never seen a fanbase so cucked by a company.

>>48040403
>muh plane, muh lore
Come on now, the settings and lore in MTG have over the years consistently been some of the best things about MTG as a whole (with some hiccups of course, nobody's perfect), at least until the whole Gatewatch thing started.

>>48040445
He said the funny word again xD

>>48040447
>Gets butthurt about the gatewatch
>probably loves the weatherlight saga

I'd sooner have the gatewatch than more eldrazi at this point, at least the gatewatch aren't changing the setting of an entire plane.

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>>48040447
>the settings and lore in MTG have over the years consistently been some of the best things about MTG as a whole
They have?

Okay, cool. Sure, if you say so. I mean, personally, it's more the mechanics (that is, how it's played) that really got to me, but if for you, it's the story. Sure.

>>48040337
>"muh overdone genre is getting ruined by interesting shit"

what a disaster, better post in your favourite carpet pattern analysis board about it

>>48040496
>interesting shit
>eldrazi

Lel, they're the worst recurring villain in mtg currently.

>faceless no character monsters float around like plastic bags on the wind
>they've got all these abilities because they're the bestest eva monstas!

They're bland as fuck, we didn't actually have a traditional horror plane and now we've got a plane filled with edgy fleshpiles because they needed to throw Emrakul back into the story so quickly after killing the other 2 off.

>>48040468
I'm not talking about Gatewatch itself, which I believe could actually be done well if it consisted of actual characters and wasn't so forced down our throats. I'm talking about everything that happened since the beggining of BFZ block, among others the ungodly amount of Eldrazi shit we have to put up with. I mean for example, I like the whole idea of what's happening to Innistrad, but the overexposure to both the Jacetice League and the Eldrazi kills it for me.

>>48040474
Well, If finding great enjoyment in exploring settings such as Tarkir, Lorwyn/Shadowmoor or Ravnica is a sin, then a sinner I am.

>>48040524
Also fireballing Kozilek and Ulamog was fucking retarded. Emarkul is the most powerful of the three, but I don't see how is anything after it supposed to be threatening if we can just gank it with the power of friendship.

If they kill off New Phyrexia in one block I will fucking murder Doug Beyer myself.

>>48040543
>Also fireballing Kozilek and Ulamog was fucking retarded. Emarkul is the most powerful of the three, but I don't see how is anything after it supposed to be threatening if we can just gank it with the power of friendship.

I love how people gloss over the fact it was the mana from an entire plane used to kill them, people make it sound like she threw a lava dart at them and they died.

I feel like most of you cry about the gatewatch because you hate happy endings and everything needs to be maximum edge at all times or you'll cry about it on the internet.

I agree with you on new Phyrexia though, I hope we get to see the civil war on that plane that they were planting the seeds of before we left.

We need more Bolas,Garruk and Phyrexia. I'm fucking bored of cosmic horror shit now, give me an enemy with a motive beyond "durr feed".

>>48040560
>mana from an entire plane
You mean the plane that was nearly dead after being consumed for over a year by otherworldly beings who eat multiple planes for breakfast?

>>48040609
Right, so we should just let the Eldrazi win and have the story go nowhere, well done.

>hurr muh big deviant art tier oc old gods have to win, they can't die REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

We'll just ignore how powerful even nu-walkers are, or how even Bolas has mentioned how much power Chandra can generate, or how the plane itself was rebelling against being chomped on, because you got pissy about shitty villians meeting a shitty end.

I can by the way you wrote that post that you're nothing more than an eldrazi fanboy with his cock out hotglueing his near mint triple sleeved PR foil Ulamog.

>>48040560
>it was the mana from an entire plane
I know, and at least for me it just makes it worse. Before the mending I would give this a pass, but right now it seems like it should be one of the things that would kill whoever was the conduit (Chandra), not to mention rerouting mana from an entire plane should probably have some catastrophic consequences.

Also this:
>>48040609

As to the happy ending, I'm ok with it. What bugs me is that all the setup that eldrazi got as primeval planeeaters fell completely flat when four teenagers with attitude ganked them by combining their weapons. All that talk about how the physical manifestations are like appendages put into a lake by some gigantic being that's too big and powerful to even enter a world by nature, they not only pulled them in and survived, but crisped their essence with one (albeit big) spell. If that's not fucking anticlimactic then I don't know what is. If we're going with the whole "too big" thing I would just make it them cutting of the appendages, what would force the titans to stop feeding and regenerate for some time. Killing the titans would be an acceptable feat for a well-working team, not for a bunch of misfits that just met each other.

>>48040650
They basically set the eldrazi up as this unstopple force of the multiverse and then realised that if they went in that direction then everything else they do after that is tiny and insignificant.

I wouldn't be shocked if what happened in Oath was basically the equivilant of cutting off 2 fingers still, or that the titans can reform in the blind eternities eventually anyway.

I also get the feeling that Ugin and the Eldrazi are more interconnected than we are lead to believe.

As for the gatewatch, people seem to rebel against them because they don't powerful planeswalkers teaming up to solve shit?

The Gatewatch won't be central to everything ever, in this block jace walked around and got his shit rekt by avacyn and nowhere near as useful/powerful as Tamiyo in this story.

The gatewatch has been depicted as getting their asses whooped in all the trailers for this set and it looks like it all rests on the shoulders of Liliana, who isn't a member of the gatewatch (in fact Gideon considers her a threat to the multiverse).

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>>48040747
>meditation
>red
Why do people who make these cards always have to be so retarded?

>>48040846
There is such a thing as an active/dynamic meditation, in which the emotions are steered or led in the direction you want, rather than denied as per usual. That's what the "Fierce" signifies.

>>48040877
It still doesn't make sense (especially combained with the art) because red is about chaos not focus.

>>48040706
>everything else they do after that is tiny and insignificant
I disagree, just as the existence of Galactus does not invalidate smaller threats, likewise the awareness that the Eldrazi are lurking somewhere shouldn't invalidate planar threats (assuming Eldrazi are not popping-up every second block of course). On the contrary, I believe that killing them off in such an anticlimactic manner is the thing that can invalidate all further threats, since if the Gatewatch can destroy both titans on day one, what else can happen that they won't find a way to kill?

>The Gatewatch won't be central to everything ever
I sincerely hope you're right. Even through SOI had the faggy boy of wonder Jace in it it gave me some hope for diversity, but the EMA trailer killed that. At least Kaladesh looks promising in that regard.

Liliana being the saviour, while a nice nice change of pace, will probably end in her joining the Gatewatch at least as a part-time member.

I hope I'm wrong.

>>48040352
Don't forget assault formation for even more memes!

>>48040907
It's also about passion and emotions in general. Steering them for a goal seems to fall in that purview.

>>48040928
Gideon considers her a threat, it would be some seriously lazy writing to make her part of the gatewatch (which means you're probably right).

I bet people will cry about Chandra having anything to do with Kaladesh because of their hate boner for the gatewatch.

You're complaining about diversity while get Eldrazi AGAIN for no fucking reason.

>>48040123
Im Ok with this, at least we're getting SOMETHING. Don't forget most werewolf support still effects the warped eldrazi ones.

>>48040972
>You're complaining about diversity while get Eldrazi AGAIN for no fucking reason.
Well back then I was still fooling myself that they might be fucking with us. That's what you get for believing in WOTC I guess.