MtG Spoilers

that is one busted uncommon in Humans.dek.

even plays in Soul Sisters.

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>>48009110
Noice, my body is ready. Glad they did a callback to the old eldrazi style naming

>>48009213
bitch that is not how we are flipping this fucker.

the best methods to us are.

1, getting it to 3 power, easy peasy, Thalia's Lieu+ Gryff's boon or any other way the deck cna run to do it.

2, the new White "Escalate" card.

3, Lantern Scout.

>>48009213
>a fucking 4/4 with trample lifelink and fs easily on the battlefield on turn three, not even rare
Wizards could you at least make white not appealing to budget casuals as well?

Someone's been playing Old Hunters.

I don't like this fluffwise
>anti eldrazi thing
>becomes eldrazi
>stays on the same side

ah, you were at my side all along.

my true deck.

my guiding mono-white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8

>>48009310
What exactly do you mean "stays on the same side?"

>>48009310
Does it stay on the same side?

This set really brings back memories from Kamigawa, love it so far.

>>48009310
I don't get it.

>>48009323
It stays under your control

>>48009310
>anti eldrazi thing
>[citation needed]

Joking aside, the whole set is about Emmy's corruption of the plane, so I don't really see the problem.

that is one of the most powerful flip cards of all time.

>>48009330
He is objecting that the same player continues to control it.
>>48009310
The players are representing Planeswalkers manipulating magical forces. Creatures arent loyal to a player, they are controlled.

>>48009278
Hmmm...Aah, you were at my side, all along...My true mentor...My guiding moonlight

>>48009323

It doesn't swith controllers or anything. It's still yours. He's been mutated into a wretched minds kava of his enemy, but the just reported back to his own general for his next orders or whatever. it's dumb.

I really like Assembled Alphas, you guys. I think it's going to be really good. Maybe not good enough for Standard, but I really like it anyway.

Just wanted to mention that.

>>48009357
Ludwig would be a great DFC, don't you think?

>>48009347
Ok, I see. I don't see that much of a problem, but it would have been really cool, if the flip cards had donate effects this time, so that you flip it to your opponent and he gets drained by it.

>>48009110
i'll need this for my modern deck

>>48009377
Looks epic for the win for my EDH deck :)

>>48009380
Quick, to the custom card general! That would be awesome

>>48009355
>Planeswalkers manipulating magical forces. Creatures arent loyal to a player, they are controlled.

These creatures which are a plane-rending force that merit every plansewalker who knows about them teaming up to stop, you mean? those creatures?

The planewalkers playing Pokémon narrative breaks down with a glance.

>>48009380
this IS ludwig. slap a Godsend on him and its complete.

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>>48009270
>>48009213
Baby u aint seen nothing yet

>>48009412
>MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT NEEIGHH

>>48009367
You're pretty totally missing the fluff of what a magic game is.
You're a planeswalker who is summoning these beings either out of the ether or out of their correct time and place. In either case, you're bending them to your will.
In Magic the card game, the player is an old-walker; no matter what the new walkers and the justice league do, everything in the universe bows to you. Except other old walkers.

Try to explain to me how the jacetice leaguers could all be on the same side at the same time as two Ulamogs, two Kozileks and two Emrakuls. Hell, they could even be fighting a side that has exactly themselves on it.

The lone rider is completely fucked and mutated and turns into a fucking crazy beast that is beholden to the will of Emrakul; definitely true. If this were a tabletop wargame or something I'm sure he'd switch sides. But in this game everything in the universe, including Emrakul, is beholden to the will of the summoning old-walker/player.

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>>48009400
But it's not good at all for EDH. I just like the card because I like effects like that in red even though they can be kinda rare sometimes, and this one seems particularly good.

There's no need to be a dick about it if you disagree, man

and they want me to believe they weren't heavily influenced by Bloodborne with this fucking set.

>>48009442
Well I am sorry me liking the card for EDH play hurts your butt anon.
>But it's not good at all for EDH
If only EDH was a casual format, oh wait it is.

I hope you grow up one day and realise that other people are allowed to like things for reasons other than your own.

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Jesus Christ

Wait till you see it

>>48009310
>stealthy eldrazi thing
>whips it's dick out
>stays on the same side

seems good to me

>>48009428
>Epic choir ensues

>>48009412
>this plus Gryff's boon turn 3.

>have a 8/7 flying first strike trample lifelinker.

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>>48009473
I'm honestly confused. This is this conversation as far as I see it
>I really like this card
>Hahahaha, epic le reddit EDH post dude
>No, really, I think it's cool.
>I was being sincere all along
I mean, no you weren't.
What are you even getting from this?

>>48009476
>the tentacle doesn't tap him on his right shoulder
You had one job, Walker. One Job.

But I love the flavor of some of the flip cards. Screw the main plot.

>>48009510
He's mocking you for liking a card despite not being constructed playable, using the "everything's playable in EDH" meme.

>>48009377
Same here. That kind of mechanic was always fun. Especially paired with a bit of combat control.

>>48009433
You no longer actually grab anyone. Everything is ether. Even the legendaries. That's been retconned a while back, because it raises too many questions. Except for planeswalkers, I guess.

I can only assume the are playing double agent when they are on both sides.

>>48009510
>>>Hahahaha, epic le reddit EDH post dude
What? I am not allowed to express myself without using epic l33t 4chan speech? Okay here, let me try put it in a form of speech you might grasp, since using a simple, universal smily is beyond you.

>tfw Assembled Alphas hits you right in the EDH feels
Can't stump them Alphas. My playgroup will become my DESIGNATED shitting street after I get my hands on dem Alphas.

Can you now understand what I am saying?

>>48009110
>>48009213
>>48009270
>>48009412
>>48009508
And this is how we Ludwig

>>48009550
I mean, I get that much. I just don't really get why he's mocking me in the first place. Like, I'm not even saying it looks particularly effective in anything but draft/limited. I just think it's cool.

>>48009510
how does that tiny neck support her big head?

How will this see play in standard do you think? Like I love this card and want to play just bant human post trankir rotation cause im currently on bant human. with coco and gw and bw commands

>>48009666
its a 4 of in any aggressive white and or human deck.

>>48009608

>>48009412
>>48009508

So easy to flip.

Don't forget about tandem tactics.

>>48009310

Because it's an aetheric simulacrum of the real thing.

Kindof a shitty summon if it has enough independence to betray its creator.

A summoned Emrakul can't betray its creator either.

>>48009405

Yeah, you just don't know much about how the process works in the fluff.

>>48009476
Why is the art all washed out on those? Grisly Anglerfish literally looks like the printer was low on ink when it was printed.

>>48009726
It is early morning sea fog and mist.

>>48009476

Nice - I thought the severed head wasn't going to fool anyone until I realised that it must make it bob on the surface like a man overboard.

>>48009676
But how will we flip it. Its really good with ojutais command but... I may just be blanking but I dont think that an aggressive deck can play incidental life gain spells.

>>48009745
Thalia's Leiu, Gryff's Boon, Always watching, Forgotten Heirloom.

the new command.

IT HAS LIFELINK FOOL.

>>48009310
Dude, look at the actual card. It's not a normal human knight being infected, it is an already infected eldrazi monster showing its true form. If you look at Lone Rider the reigns are actually tentacles and the horse already has creepy eldrazi flesh on its back where it connects to the rider.

No sides have been switched, this card is totally eldrazi aligned.

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>>48009754
Man. Somehow I missed that first line. This card is busted. Done and done.

>>48009743
damn

>>48009110
>more powerful than most mythics

>uncommon single color, not even double white, 1/1 first strike life linker with just "gain 3 life" to get a 4/4 life link trample first striker.

insane, completely insane.

>>48009110
>inb4 "destroy target transformed/melded creature" at common

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>>48009801
>it flips on turn 3

>>48009957
it flips at the end of turn 3, after attacking.

granted, if it did so via lifelink it's at least a 6/6, but if you gained life with the white modal spell or temporary pumps it's a 4/4 first strike trample lifelink on turn 4 at the earliest. which is fucking good but not busted.

>>48009957
Flipping hell.

>>48010019
And yet we've proved with the right spell combo it is completely broken.

>>48010019
it is utterly busted because you only payed 2 mana for it and its better than most actual turn 3 or 4 drops in the current standard.


in Mono White humans its an insane backbreaker.

>>48009566
I thought that the creatures were summoned from a planeswalker's memory. They remember something they encountered in their travels and create a version from their mana.
Not sure if lands represent something other than just the mana the walker has available.

>>48009110
>>48009476
These both have the full moon on the front but the squid symbol on the back even though they're not meld cards (I guess the squid is supposed to tell you it's colorless without a colorless indicator). Ulrich proves there is also gonna be the sun/moon thing too.
That really triggers my autism.

>>48010064
>That really triggers my autism.
Good.

>>48010064
the squid symbol is just the back face symbol, like the moon and planeswalker hand on other doublefaced cards, it is not exclusive to meld. the lack of a mana cost and color indicator are what make them colorless.

>>48010059
Lands represent mana bonds to places they've visited

>>48009739
and it looks like crap

>>48009476
Okay, now these are just getting goofy

>>48010124
>ulrich has the sun moon
oh fuck me, i missed that. it's probably just to differentiate werewolves and any other "normal" transformers from the things transforming only because emrakul

>>48009142
is there full art of lone rider somewhere?

>>48010019
you can play gryff's boon and chaplain's blessing on the same turn it loses summon sickness. it flips in one turn with three mana

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>>48010167
Lone Rider, no.

The flip side, yes.

>>48010184
>play chaplain's blessing
if you do this, you suck. at least sugest that modal spell or tandem tactics since both of those have an effect other than gaining life. also, that still makes it flip at the end of turn three, and it doesn't attack as a 4/4 (5/4 with gryff's boon) until turn four. like I said.

>>48010220
Going to be jamming this every time I play it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4

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>>48009110
It looks like martyr found her horsebando.

>>48010287
>tfw she has to die for him

>>>48009110 uncommon
People who draft droves of these will use them to flip eachother.

>>48010287
>>48010342
So what sort of play order are we looking at? Matyr-Lone Rider-Neglected Heirloom and a flip on turn 3 followed by a 7 damage wallop on turn 4?

>>48010351
>droves of a particular uncommon in draft
Good luck with that.

>>48009110
>no horsemanship
2/13

>>48010351
>will use them to flip each other.
Oh my word that will be hilarious, just think how Lone Rider will interact with Phantasmal Image.

>>48010375
Even if Clone effects could flip (they can't), you be silly to not just Clone the It That Rides as One.

>>48009651
Anime magic

>>48009476
Do these new eldrazi flip cards count as colorless cards?

>>48010407
>no color indicator on the flip side
Looks like it.

>>48010407
>count as
They ARE colorless on the backsides. And colored on the frontsides

>>48010427
Well the, does it count as a colorless creature card if its sent to the gy?

>>48010432

nope

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>tfw this is one of the best knights Wizards has printed in a long time
>tfw it's most effective when it's not being a knight so it won't fit into my shitty knight tribal deck

>>48010432
Any DFC reverts to its frontside when it's in the graveyard (or any zone other than the battlefield)

>>48009666
By the way, friendo Blue is abbrevuated U, black is B

>>48009510
>Liking an EDH card but thinking its actually viable in constructed play

No anon, you are the retard.

>>48010464
>but thinking its actually viable in constructed play
but I don't. I never said anything like that, or even close to it. The only comment I made about it being playable was that it's not playable in EDH.

>>48010432

Yes, but then it flips back upside.

Why does everyone in the thread seem to think that this card is so good? It's all right after it flips, but really think about the amount of work it takes to transform this thing outside of a dedicated life gain deck. In other words, just through lifelink alone.

People have mentioned Gryff's Boon, but that still isn't even enough. You've gone to the trouble of putting an aura on something (always a risky move unless the creature as some way to dodge removal, which this one absolutely does not), and you can't even transform him. And without any kind of aura, he's worthless. In a format clogged up with Sylvan Advocates, Duskwatch Recruiters, Lambholt Pacifists and even Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, a 1/1, even a 1/1 with first strike, is completely useless in combat. Hey, you know what beats this thing in combat? Fucking Thraben Inspector.

It's way too difficult to transform and the other side isn't worth clogging up a deck by putting in a bunch of life gain cards. I firmly do not believe that this is playable in Standard.

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>>48009110
Daily reminder that /tg/ is bad at mtg and a 1/1 is the most prone to instant removal

>>48010595

DO YOU EVEN MOONLIGHT GREATSWORD

>>48010595
Thalia's Lieutenant, Gryff's Boon, Always watching, the Titan's Strength.

>>48010595
I want this post immortalized, I want this fool to remember his idiotic words forever.

>>48010595
blessed alliance (1)W can make it flip, let alone also untap/or opponent sacs attacking creature

>>48010595
THESE are the posts I talk about when I say that /tg/ is bad at magic and they guess viabilty on cards wrong all the time.

THESE faggots who can't even think on how shit works and a year later will say "I thought It that Rides together was ALWAYS GOOD!"

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>>48010644
dubs wills it

>>48010407
Look at this post. This is why we got devoid last block. People cant understand that colorless frame = colorless. You NEED to explain it to them, jesus fucking christ. And its not just you anon, I see this thing in multiple thread/forum posts. What the actual fuck.

>>48010595
You can literally splash any colour to help it flip by itself (giant growth, titan strength, etc), you can use shitloads of different archtypes to help it flip (all knigths get +1/1, all white creatures get +1/1, all attacking creatures get +1/1 till end of turn, etc), you can simply use a shitty lifegain sorc to make it flip (chap blessing, Healing Salve, etc). Like, just about anything can go with this card. And on top of that, it has protection in form of FIRST STRIKE and and AAAAAAND it gains trample after flipping. And it costs only two mana for what is gonna be a 4/4 first strike, trample, lifelink turn 3/4.

>>48010623
>>48010630
>>48010644
>>48010647
>>48010672
I don't know, he might be on to something. I mean, remember when we were all ranting and raving about the oh-so-good vampire aggro madness deck of SOI that practically built itself? The one that never saw play? Yeah.

Stay humble.

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He's back!

>>48010730
Never saw play? My fnm was full of it.

>>48010709
Just because Avacyn has a red frame doesn't mean that shes a red card in the GY though.

Devoid was a keyword that specifically made it colorless in any zone.

>>48010742
>whenever you cast an instant or sorcery: create a Delver.
We have finally come full circle. Love it

>>48010742
And there was much rejoicing.

>>48010764
>in the graveyard
Once again, cards in your graveyard are ALWAYS faceup in magic so this is also a no brainer.

>>48010742
This looks like a fun card to build around for casual play.

>>48010730
all I wanted to point out was that you dont need a lifegain focused deck to flip the card.


I really have no idea on how strong this card will be, besides given only a tiny amount of spoilers are released its hard to make judgement.

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>>48010742
One of the best "cycle" ever done I think

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>>48009608
>cello intensifies

>>48010767
Someone has even made a flavor deck for it in the modern general.
>>48009930
Now it's been pointed out that his suggestion isn't Modern legal due to the two Riptide Labs, but I personally think you could could just swap those out for an Artificial Evolution and Rooftop Storm, because free Wizards.

>>48010797
>you don't need a lifegain deck to flip the card
but you do probably need it to survive combat, which gets much harder the farther from the nut draw he gets. if ge's not flipped by turn 4 or 5 he probably isn't going to under his own power.

>>48010742
Hate on Wizards all you like, but they sure as fuck haven't fucked up with Delver of Secrets.

>>48010855
nigger, you simply haven't played against tier 1 mono white (with red splash) humans.

you are so ignorant on this subject of how this card is going to work in standard, that it boggles the mind.

>>48010862
I'm surprised we have had a UR for him yet.

>>48010764
That's because in the Yard you only see her front face
.
And the colour of the backsides you can easily tell by looking at the dot at the very beginning of the Card type bar.
As you can see under 903.4c in the rulings http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Color_identity and http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/double-faced-card-rules-2011-08-29
And the drazi dfcs don't have any color indicator

>>48009110
>It That Rides as One
>Eldrazi Horror
Nice try, creative team. That's a ncklavee.

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>>48010942
Anon you want to confuse everyone?

>>48009726

They used all the black ink printing the front side of Lone Rider

>>48009754

Odric 2.0

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>>48010974
The problem is that Creative is awfully inconsisent with all creaures that didn't show up in LotR.

>>48009110
Oh. It is 2 mana. I thought it was three. No wonder you guys are freaking out about it.

What's the humans deck like nowadays? Curving into Lantern Scout seems like the best enabler.

>>48011063
turn 3, Neglected heirloom, equip, then Gryff's boon or Titan's Strength

flip into an 8/7 Flying first strike trample life linker.

>>48011063
>lantern scout
god why? the monowhite human deck has a ton of 1 drops and first striking 2 power 2 drops, plus anthems, declarations and stasis snares. dunno what the splash red version drops out for them but lantern scout seems way too expensive for way too little benefit. i really doubt the rider in humans just because he's smaller than all their other two drops except a lieutenant with no friends, and how often does that happen?

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>>48011038
I don't feel that is the case too often, but the few times it happens does piss me off. Like Sylvan Caryatid not being a spirit despite Caryatids being spirits in Ravnica.

Or the fact that they could've easily been dryads or treefolk.

Didn't know the eldrazi had the power to mutate other creatures
Didn't know Emrakul had the power to make cuckoo crazy other creatures

>>48011093
>Neglected heirloom
people keep saying that, but literally why would you bother in a humans deck? is some madman running humans and werewolves or are you hypothetically running one card to partially enable one other card?

>>48010742
could this be a control finisher in standard? it very much seems like it

>>48011122
Reality warping goes far anon.

>>48011093
That seems a little too Christmas-y. Aura's and combat tricks are way too easily to blow out with removal.

>>48011100
I thought Scout was already seeing play in sideboards. Seems like a decent way to help flip, seeing as you'll likely have enough power to flip the horse.

I don't know though. I'm just brainstorming.

>>48011122
retcon

I want to theme hard.

What is the closest equipment that exists to the moonlight greatsword?

>>48010595
Good Lord in Heaven, /tg/ is bad at Magic.

>>48011125
Gossipmonger
Thraben Sentry
Most of the WB flip cards that exist

>>48010742
>Perfect Cell: The Card
>Super-Perfect Cell: The Card

EVEN MORE PERFECT!

>>48011181
Neglected Heirloom, after all, it was at his side all along.

>>48011182
I think a lot of new players are drawn by the spoilers seasons. I see all kind of stupid ruling questions about the most basic things. These people should not come in a professional discussion thread and drop their uninformed opinions.

>>48011187
>thraben sentry
are we brewing modern now?
i guess gossipmonger and militia captain see play, still don't think the heirloom's worth playing out of limited.

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>one contrarian dude posts a wrong opinion
>WOW /tg/ IS BAD AT MAGIC

>>48011181

Probably the moonsilver spear, which isn't great here.

>>48011226
>>48011219
Admittedly, this sort of post shows how dumb the other side of them can be:

>>48011093

>>48011122
The cryptoliths are apparently cranking Emmy's corruption power up to 11 or something.

>>48011226
honestly all the people busting nuts over this horse are probably worse at magic than that gu. i see lone rider being solidly playable in existing white decks, and it'll probably be a lynchpin card in games, but not the backbreaking play everyone else seems to be expecting it to be.

>>48011226
Dont forget the "hurr durr derp what colors are my cards? Why arent they x colors while in graveyard? Durrr hybrid cards make my nose bleed?" Guy.

>>48010407
Flip cards exist as their front side in all zones but the battlefield.
So no.

>>48010360
That's a lot of moving pieces for something that can be stopped by an instant.

>>48011301
people said the same shit about Mono White in general, and two OPENS in a row Tom Ross has crushed ass with it.

>>48011262
>but not the backbreaking play everyone else seems to be expecting it to be

I think most people are just expecting it to be a great card in the right sort of deck rather than the next siege rhino.

>>48011204
So are Delver and Researcher Imperfect Cell: The Card and Semi-Perfect Cell: The Card?

>>48010367
Hey, its not impossible. Last prerelease i drew three Ulvenwald Mysteries. That carried me through to going 3/1.

>>48010730
Everyone shit on that deck, though, the only people who even WANTED it to be good were the fucking tribal meme lords and their enablers.

These spoilers so far are a lot more exciting than Oath for an Eldrazi-related set. Kind of wish we got transformations in other sets.

>>48010742
Fuck yes. Time to make a wizard tribal deck.

>wake up
>Ula and Kozi are still destroyed by Friendshipfire
Why does this still pisses me off so much.
>Dealing with Lovecraftian horror
>ever
If only they would all be mad or something now, but no

>>48009355
>players are representing Planeswalkers
That's not true anymore.

>>48011425
You ever read Dunwich Horror? It happens sometimes. The good guys sometimes win.

Sometimes, some wizards on a hill cast spells and deal with the problem.

>>48011425
>Why does this still pisses me off so much.
Because for some reason you ignore that the spell was the result of having access to all the mana from the plane

>>48011462
Have you read the guides that come with prerelease packs? They explicitly say "you are a planeswalker".

>>48011462
Nah, that's still true. Look at every little bit of marketing for new players.

Tons of them literally start with "You are a planeswalker", even after they introduced the card type.

>>48011425
psst
Brisela has four forearms just like Ulamog because Emrakul is using her Eldrazi fuckery-powers to recreate the destroyed Titans from denizens of Innistrad. Brisela will eventually become a new Eldrazi Titan in her own right and prove that there were serious repercussions to destroying the Titans in the first place, exactly as Ugin predicted/foreshadowed in the Uncharted Realms about the first two Titan's deaths. This block will end with Emrakul and Brisela being chased away from the plane (but not destroyed) by Liliana with meek support from the Gatewatch, leaving open the threat of future Eldrazification open for future planes

>>48011465
Yes I've read it and know what you mean. But the 3 are supposed to be the old ones, the most powerful and alien possible. Just imagine a bunch of mage defeating Yog, or even just Nyarlathotep.

I would have expected at the very least some dead planewalkers and something like Future sight where they lose their spark to close rifts. But no.

>>48011503
Anon, I want your theory to be true.

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>A new cycle of bursts
I've been waiting SO LONG

>>48009110
Modern Norin Life Gain.

Interacts well with Lone Missionary.

>>48011367
I'm almost to the point where I'm willing to say this set might be good.

If we get a twisted version of the gitrog monster I'll be ecstatic

>>48011503
Oh my god please be true

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>>48011425
>If only they would all be mad or something now, but no
I suspect the idea that madness is a fundamental part of Lovecraf's stories come from this quote from The Call of Chulhu:
>"...the time [when the Stars are Right] would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom..."

What people seem to forget, or not get in the first place, was that Lovecraft was a moral nihilist. What he describes here is quite the opposite of mankind going insane, but rather mankind becoming fully enlightened to the meaninglessness of the universe.

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>>48011503
>Ulamog and Kozilek was normal creatures once, before Emmy came and had her fun with them

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>>48011533
>bursts

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>>48011529
I don't. I want Gisela and Bruna to get better and be pretty angel lesbians again, but it's not going to happen. Even if this theory isn't true they're probably just gonna wind up dead.
The grimdarkness always wins in ongoing storylines, that's just the way these things go.

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>>48011503
given that her forearms are almost solidly blue like Ulamog, and the bottom of her looks like its forming large tentacles I could totally see this happening.

>>48011583
>Ulamog's brood are just part of himself
>tfw Ulamog was probably a Sliver or something humanoid and similar

>>48011313
Don't bother, you can recognize absolute shitters by just them writing "le removal lol", it's that obvious.

>>48011512
Well, the idea is that since Planeswalkers are the viewpoint characters, the threats associated with them are scaled up to match their powers. Son of Yog might have been a small fish in the sea ultimately, but the three professors were basically just guys.

The Eldrazi Drones can be taken care of by a goblin holding a rock. They aren't intended to be like Son of Yog. Maybe the Titans aren't actually the Azathoths or Yogs of MtG. Or maybe just Emmy is.

Emmy was always the big one. And who knows what else is out there in the Blind Eternities? Blind Eternities are the MtG equivalent of space, after all.

I like Lovecraft. But this just doesn't bother me. We got a Rats in the Walls ref, we got a Color out of Space ref. I can't get pissy at them for not going the whole "the entire multiverse exists solely on the whims of a blind idiot god".

>>48011646
That's true for all of the Titans, not just Ulamog.

PHYREXIAN ELDRAZI SLIVER GODS WHEN?

>>48011680
>Phyrexian Eldrazi

Please no.

>>48011660
>Rats in the wall
Which card? I kind of skipped the last two sets.

>>48011512
Nyarlathotep was outsmarted by a dumb narcoleptic

>>48011728
Which story?

Emrakul's new ability may not be something unheard of but I think it's a step in the right direction, much like their constant interactions with stuff you own outside the game.

I always hated the fact that eldrazis were just very big creatures. If you're going for a lovecraftian gimmick you need to give them abilities that fuck with the game on a meta-level. I mean Unhinged levels of fuckery that bluefags can only dream of.

>>48011776
Dream Quest

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>>48011720
A little lamer than the sins of ancestors pertaining to a race of horrific pig men bred for cannibalistic purposes filling a guy's head with imaginary rats, but hey, it was cute.

>>48011480
Haha, good one maro

>>48011776
the dream-quest

Randolph Carter is a strong dreamer but he's just human.

>>48011783
You can't do too many of those. And they did have some meta fuckery, being colorless nonartifacts. It just seems blasé now.

I really hope we finally found out what's in the moon under the heron mark emrakul getting pushed in there hopefully releases whatever big bad is already in there.

>>48011805
>>48011787
Interesting, I dont remember him fooling Nyarlathotep. Guess I'll need to reread it. Did he encounter him with the appearance of a black man? Or it was in a desert/mountainous area? Fucking hell my memory of this is foggy.

>>48011810
yeah but having like five or six really fucked-up eldrazis would have been enough.

the whole color thing was always a really superficial gimmick that never played into anything interesting. Much like Annihilator.

>>48011835
he met him as the black dude in Kadath

>>48011842
Annihilator is an absolute threat in edh.

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>Bloodborne set
>no comfy doll yet

dropped

>>48011842
I found it really cool, especially when all the drones and whatnot used to be colored, with only the big'uns being colorless.

Void Winnower was an attempt at that. It used to have even crazier text, apparently. Spawnsire feels right. Processors are pretty bizarre. Required colorless was an attempt at that too.

Eh.

>>48011879
annihilator is an absolute threat everywhere. I think he means that while powerful is just not much interesting.

>>48011805
I loved the the Carter stories. In my mind they're some of Lovecraft's absolute best ones.

>>48011601
>tfw sigarda kills brisela herself

>>48011882
>Bloodborne
Ha ha, no.

>>48011935
"You two need to spend some time apart."

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>>48011935
Yeah, I can see that happening.

That's ok, though. I mean, it wouldn't do to have a happy ending. That wouldn't be mature at all. Oh well.

>>48011503
this would be pretty cool

>>48011928
I want a dream world plane with Ashiok as in the story. Because it's Ashiok's home plane.

>>48011882
Millenial pls

>>48011886
>Void Winnower was an attempt at that. It used to have even crazier text, apparently.

>This card is a relic from an earlier part of design where the Eldrazi had a fascination with odd numbers. The wordplay of Eldrazi liking "odd" things tickled my funny bone, and I appreciated them caring about something that no one else ever cares about. How often do you build a deck and go, "Oops, I need more creatures with odd converted mana costs"?

>My favorite card from this time period was a colorless enchantment that simply said "All odd numbers are even."

That would have actually been interesting.

>>48011882
This is the "It's weird and pissed off whatever it is" set.

>>48009726
Its Kev Walker style and its awesome.

I want a mending 2.0 killing the fucking Jacetice league

>>48012083
In a few decades maybe.

>>48012083
i just want teferi to get his shit kicked around more for causing this mass retardation in the first place.

>>48012010
Oh dude. Sold. Fucking sold. Make a custom set right now.

>>48012102
I don't really pay attention to MTG fluff, what did he do?

>>48012083

You probably wouldn't hate them as much if you didn't insist on calling it the Jacetice league. Its Gideon's team, Jace is just the one who was sent to find Sorin because he was the least useful for cleaning up the mess on Zendikar.

>>48012125
I don't have the time, anon!
I do have a video game to make.
Also, my last custom set I made 12 years ago was terrible. :^)

>>48012145
Gideon is a protagonist so dull he's arguably worse than Jace. At least Jace has a character even if it's shit.

>>48012035
Maro's a big fan of ridiculous designs. He may be a stickler for the color pie, but everything else he's all for. I mean, he loves Un sets for a reason.

But you know, everything needs to be marketable and an enchantment like that would have a total of 3 fans.

>>48009110
T1:Neglected Heirloom
T2:Lone Rider
T3:Thalia Lieu + Equip Neglected and Swing for 3

At T4 you will have a 8/8 fs, trample, lifelink and a 1/1 that can get bigger, or even get the +3/+3 fs from the sword if Lone Rider is declarated.

>>48012189
Daily reminder we will never get a Time Spiral 2.0 even though Maro considers the block his finest design.

>>48012148
I'm sure it was. As are most custom sets. Both my set and my video game are going nowhere. Making custom sets is completely thankless work though.

Man, that's still a cool idea. Hard to do nowadays though, seeing as Nyx was supposed to be the land of dreams.

>>48010630
>>48010644
>>48010647
>>48010672
>>48010710
Let's imagine something. Imagine, if you will, that you draw this card without any way to buff his P/T. He is literally worthless. Now, I know that the deck-types that would run this card do have plenty of ways to boost P/T (Thalia's Lieutenant, Always Watching etc.), but the fact that it NEEDS those cards, not just one of them, but multiples of them, in order for it to do anything at all is a bad sign. It's not a terrible card, but I just don't think it's as good as everyone else in the thread seems to believe.

That being said, I'd wager this has a far better time against other aggressive decks, because in that matchup lifelink is just useful on its own. One very good interaction that I think a few people have mentioned already is between Lone Rider and Dromoka's Command, fighting away one of their 1/2s or 1/1s and then swinging in for two more. Now THERE'S a good way to transform him. None of that Neglected Heirloom nonsense.

>>48012045
>"It's weird and pissed off whatever it is"
Unnatural Hound+Loyal Dogs=Thing In The Kennels?

>>48012222
Theros's story at first was people's dreams coming to live to haunt them.

>>48012219
>Maro considers the block his finest design.
That's not true. It's his favorite block, but he has stated that he still considers the design a failure.

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>>48012240
I wonder why is it that initial designs always seem more exciting than the final product? Is it just because you only hear about them once the final product's novelty has faded?

Like, Mark talked about this whole cycle of colorless spells that just cost XX for RoE and I thought that was such a cool idea. Applying the "every color can do BLAH if they pay a lot of colorless for it" of artifacts to instants and sorceries.

They all got cut. They became a few cards that had X in them. Ugh.

>>48012288
I mean, a game designer does his job well if it hits the right marks with the audience. I can't blame him for thinking they were being too cute for their own good.

>>48012303
Haha, I looked at the comments of Reality Spasm. Direct from the horse's mouth, Aaron Forsythe:

"The idea of it was that it was a limited trick that any color could have access to. I never got to try playing with it, as it was decreed by the creative team pretty quickly that they wanted Eldrazi defined first and foremost by their hugeness and second by being colorless, so all colorless Eldrazi cards should cost at least 7 mana. Thankful for the direction, we kicked all the cheap colorless spells out. "

>Eldrazi defined first and foremost by their hugeness and second by being colorless

Well, there we go. Creative wanted Godzilla.

>>48012222
The dream part of Theros was mostly a told trait. Nothing in the set really conveys that dreams are relevant.

A Dreamland set would definetly have to include transform cards as that's the most straightforward way of depicting a dream morphing into something else. Pleasent dreams turning into nightmares, nonbasics land that transform into completely different lands and whatnot.

Other than that I don't really know though.

>>48012377
Maybe some sort of wakemeup/cantwakeup fading/suspend-like mechanic

im calling it

the only time we return to dominaria is when the nu-eldrazi are eating it

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>>48012377
Well, Inspired was a creature waking up from a dream.

But yeah, we didn't get too much. Bestow could theoretically be a dream turning alive. Though, it hardly comes across that way.

>>48012442
I think Karn might return to it eventually, and so it should probably be tied to New Phyrexia

>>48012377
I keep saying it: return to theros should be where they bring back merge, without regular transform cards to worry about. enchantments and creatures merge together to become enchantment creatures, actually looking larger than life as the men become the myths and legends rise up.

the story could even be about how ajani and xenagos inspire mortals to rise up against the gods usi g their own divine power, the set could be called Rise if the Demigods, and actually be pretty badass. no shitty aura focus or overpriced bestow.
also a legendary zombie and legendary spirit that merge into a planeswalker

>>48012377
>nonbasics land that transform into completely different lands

hmmmmm, I think there's some interesting design space there

fuck, just a land that generates G, and you can transform into a land that generates R at the end of your turn would be kind of cool

>>48012491
Eslepth should just Ascend as Hero's on Bant do, into an Angel Planeswalker.

because she isn't fully dead she will still have her spark, and be our first Angelic Walker.

>>48012491

The problem is you can't have a set focused on Meld; because it will never actually happen in Draft.

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>>48012491
>spoiler

I'm incredibly unhyped about this set just because of Eldrazi

They are such a fun-vacuum now

>>48012442
real talk, if they had fed dominaria to the eldrazi to legitimize them as a threat, that would have been huge all around and a fine send off for what is honestly the multiverse's whipping boy.

>>48012510
People post that design in custom card threads a lot. It is too tedious to do in actual play.

>>48012530
>it will never actually happen in Draft.
if they print them in common, yes it will

>>48012543
I don't see how, they are just a creature type like any other.

would you prefer MORE goblins? did they not wear out their welcome yet? how did Eldrazi?

>>48012549
with one flip card per pack? no it won't.

>>48012549
To do meld properly in draft you'd have to do something like a couple "universal" meld creatures, which would fuck up any chance of good flavor.

>>48009367
>>48009323

This is easily the dumbest complaint of all time. You're playing A CARD GAME. Of course not every single creature you control is going to evade you, otherwise it's utterly unappealing and pointless, you dumbass.

>>48012558
Because the last blocks set's entire focus was Eldrazi and they aren't incredibly interesting antagonists

They just wanna eat/consume/rape/corrupt everything because they can.

>>48012549
>if they print them in common, yes it will

Boy, having to memorize every Meld card my opponents take so I can effectively hatepick the other half sounds super fun

>>48012530
chittering host will be an important proof of concept, but I could see a cycle of one common meld pair in each color (or maybe every meld color is half one color half another, serving a similar role to the uncommon cycle that's become a atandby?) and maybe threeish rare/mythics see play.

>>48012621
and you'd perfer what? the Cabal? are you saying a majority of other MTG antagonists were compelling and not eye-roll worthy?

do I have to list them all? there are maybe 3, ever, that were compelling.

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At first I was salty when it turned out to be memerakul again but hot damn am I liking this set so far. I think I'm actually starting to like eldrazi again.

>>48012631
>you reveal doublesided cards you pick

Also

>hatepicking

What the fuck

>>48012631
they'd be drafted just like DFCs, you could just look at them.

>>48010432
If you have a card that said "whenever a colorless creature you control dies..." and your It That Rides As One dies, that card will trigger. It doesn't matter that it's a white Lone Rider once it's in the graveyard; all that matters is that it was colorless when it died.

On the other hand, let's say a card exists with the ability, "Discard a colorless creature card: Target opponent exiles a card from his or her hand." You cannot discard a Lone Rider to activate this ability, because it's always going to be a white card in any zone other than the battlefield.

>>48012664

but you get what I mean, it would be a pain in the ass without making the draft any more interesting

>>48012631
then dont be a dick and hatepick? alternatively the melds could be one-sided and replace the token/land with half of the final form.

>>48012597
>fuck up any chance of good flavor
They could have a "Eldrazi Infector" that can infect humans, zombies, angels, vampires, werewolves...

They could make Infector a subtype and make 2 or 3 of them. Their ability is to transform certain creatures, I think it would be cool to play a deck where the objective is to play creatures and infect them with eldrazi-ness.

>>48012648
I'm liking the mechanics they are introducing so far. Escalate is cool because I like option cards and Emerge seems like it could be pretty crazy. I'm kinda meh on Meld though but the card quality of this set so far looks fun enough.

I still would have preferred the set to be NOT Eldrazi and Memerakul

>>48012648
I liked the Eldrazi already in BFZ because I wanted to see what would happen if eventually Emmi showed up.
It was pretty interesting that Maro - who usually knows close to nothing about Magic flavor - answered that Emrakul warps biology. So it was pretty much confirmed then. I liked Innistrad as a buildup for EMN so far.

>>48012688
>just play magic badly

no thanks?

let me guess, you complain about 'net decking' in constructed

>>48012687
no, I don't. it's public information, how is it a pain in the ass to know something you are informed of as it happens?

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Get your Lone Rider flips here

Ez as fuck Lone Rider flips

>>48012712
Hatepick in general is fucking retarded and you are pretty retarded if you hatepick and think it's a good idea

>>48009347
So does a fucking werewolf!

>>48012712
>hatedrafting is playing magic well
either you're diluting your own pool tokeep another player off one card, or it's a late pack and they can live without your pick, hatedrafting is very rarely the correct pick.

>>48012712
limited is about fun mate. I play degenerate netdecks in all formats but there. also hatepicking can force a player out of their color and into yours, so you risk mutually-assured-destruction

>>48012742
>>48012755
>Better just pass on this Avacyn because I'm not in white.

>>48012742
Hatepicking is a legitimate tactic, besides, if it's 1st or 2nd booster I still might end up splashing some off-color cards if they're real good.
Moneypicking is also legitimate tactic.

>new "Union" mechanic on creatures
>Union has a cost, as well as keywords and its own ruletext
>any time you could cast a sorcery, you may exile any number of creatures with Union
>place a token creature onto the battlefield with the types, colors, Union rules text, and cumulative power and toughness of all creatures exiled this way
>sacrifice that creature unless you pay the cumulative union cost of all creatures exiled that way
Would this work as a generic meld?

>>48012845
no, that sounds insane, that requires far too much "memory" for magic the gathering.

>>48012826
>very rarely
also, sometimes yes, you pass the avacyn. if you're deep in not white and there is a strong card in-color you fucking make your deck better.

>>48012732
>enemy bolts your lone rider
>bring him back and flip him with a single spell

The other effects are so good that picking the life gain feels kinda bad though.

>>48012826
Obviously if a card is strong enough it might become worth it to hatepick if nothing else in the pack is good for you. However if this was a competitive draft and something else was strong for me in the pack I'd pass Avacyn

Anon earlier was talking about hatepicking fucking meld cards. Like cmon you'd have to be a platinum tier moron to hatepick on meld cards

>>48012844
Moneypicking sure but hatepicking is almost always a retard option

>>48012845
If we wanted generic Meld to work, it'd have to be like Bestow in a way, where you have generic creatures that can attach to any number of specific melders.

>>48012881
>not picking the Avacyn, ever
nah dog, I'll take profit over winning the draft any day of the week.

>>48010595
Think of all the instants at 1 or 2 mana that boost a creature's power by 2 or more. Now just add those in the deck and you're golden.

>>48012871
>Uinion 1R: first strike
>2/2

>Union 1: lifelink
>1/1

>exile both
>gain creature 3/3 creature token with first strike and lifelink that costs 2R
Sounds pretty simple to me fampai.

>>48012923
they're few and far between and mostly green. most 1 and two mana effects only boost a creature or creatures' power by 1

>>48009600
I'm honestly confused now. You know that people only post smileys here when they're being ironic, right? It's kid-on-Facebook levels of post quality. It's an indicator that the accompanying sentiment is sarcasm.

>>48012947
Even Bestow was hard to grasp for most people.

t. FNM judge

>>48012889

They could also bring back Champion.

>>48012947
>Union 2U:flying
>1/3
now you union the first two, get a second copy of the lifelinker to union with this guy, and later on you manage to union a copy of all three of them together, you have three union tokens with radically different power, toughness, sbilities and colors with no inherent way to differentiate them.

>>48013017
Fair point, but a simple and easy work around would be to simply "exile" the cards used in union, but just keep them on the field nested on each other for reference.
The only problem I can see with that is if someone interacts with exile and removes one of those union cards from it.

>>48013017

I think the idea was that it would be one token that adds them altogether?

But regardless, it's fucking stupid. Take your terrible ideas to /ccg/ where they belong.

>>48012947
So it's like Banding except permanent and the abilities only need to be on one card not all of them?

>>48013058
>Take your terrible ideas to /ccg/ where they belong.
rude

>>48010220
>Ahh~, you were at my side all along...
>My true mentor...
>My guiding moonlight...

>>48012648

This seems more like Eldrazi done right. The Jacetice League was too on-point in the last set to handle the original Titans, but sense this happened unexpectedly on a plane which was not Zendikar (i.e. not tons of pre-existing anti-Eldrazi bullshit.)

>>48012977
Bestow was a fucking nightmare because it wasn't intuitive at all. I think even the literal kids would understand the concept of union.

>>48013155
How the fuck was bestow not intuitive?

>>48013057
>if someone interacts with exile and removes one of those union cards from it
This is why exile shouldn't be interacted with. Otherwise it is just a special graveyard.

>>48013155
I was more talking about figuring out the P/T of bestowed creatures. Union would be a nightmare for most people.

>>48013155
how was bestow not intuitive?

>>48012010

You know that is literally Ashiok's plan for. Theros, right?

>>48013174
Removal in response to casting a creature as an Aura for example. Some spells that care about the auras of the creature it kills/exiles as well. Stuff like that.

>>48011533
Just you wait, they'll ban this too.

>>48009310
There were several Dual-Faced cards in the first Innistrad block that had similar changes of heart when they transformed but stayed under your control, so your argument is null.

Like Loyal/Unhallowed Cathar, Civilized Scholar/Homicidal Brute, and some of the Werewolves.

>>48013174
>>48013179
>>48013196
At prerelease there was around 6 guys that had problems with bestow mechanics. It was a fucking nightmare when you have to explain every corner case multiple times, and basically tell them what is the current board state and what is gonna happen.
Most of them were new players, but the point still stands.

>>48011882
you bloodbornefags are so fucking insufferable

>>48013340
I would argue tha's just new players. Khans pre-release event I had people trying to outlast during endsteps/combat.

>>48010742
but what is he going to be like when we come back AGAIN?

>>48011137
No protection.

>>48013378
>severed from the touch of the otherworldly Emrakul, Delverman and his colleagues move to Nephalia to conduct sea creature fusions in order to find the connection they lost.

So why is he an eldrazi insect? For all the fucked up shit Emmy did to Innistrad before her official arrival, Delverman seemed pretty standard with his horror.

I demand the black angel from Innistrad's past.

>>48011503
but aren't the eldrazi only given form thanks to Ugin so they could be trapped on Zen?

>>48013444
There is always next time.

Or, in case Innistrad doesn't make it, there are the Commander decks.

>>48013437
Normally he would have stopped at Docent of Perfection, stat wise. I think without Emrakul he still would have flipped again to mutate the Wizards, but Emrakul's influence hits him specifically to make him buffer.

>>48009110
All I wanted is looking at Iona and Emrakul fighting each other pacific rim hentai style.

>>48013336
that doesn't make the argument null, it just means that he probably had the same problem with those cards too.

What I personally thought was neat, as someone with a similar rankle with how transform sometimes meant your soldiers were fighting alongside former-soldier zombies, was that a lot of the newer cards could conceivably work together even post-transformation. Take Avacynian Missionaries/Lunarch Inquisitors for example, they're the same beings, just radicalized. I thought that was really, really cool.

>>48013446
Well, if that were true, they never would have been able to begin ravaging Zendikar in the first place, would it?

>>48011713
Given the Phyrexian montra, I'm inclined to think that if they ever met, a decent amount of Phyrexians would worship Emmy-chan.

>>48011882
There can't be motherly love in a combat game.

>>48013533
>All will be One'mrakul
Chancellor of Emrakul when?

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>>48013533
You know, I'm honest-to-god sick of people masturbating to Phyrexians, especially Phyrexian-Eldrazi team-ups/complaeted Eldrazi bullshit, but I have to admit that Meld would frequently be a flavor home run for a lot of Phyrexian stuff.

>>48013446
I thought this too, but everyone said in an idiot. Well, actually, what I thought were Eldrazi had no mana associated with them and Ugin is what made them have colorless.

>>48013600
ALL WILL BE ONE!
ALL WILL BE ONE!
ALL WILL BE ONE!

>>48013646
they live to eat mana, idiot.

everything has a "mana association" to exist at all.

>>48012288
MaRo considers everything a failure.

>>48013600
>>48013656
>card merges with another specific card and every creature in play

>>48011301
>playing instants when they can just be countered

>>48013600
Are you me?

>>48013689
I thought that was what made them so alien. I know everything is supposed to have mana association. Anyway, it was just something I heard that clearly was BS.

>>48013704
That's not true either. The first Innistrad set for example he considers a huge success and one of the best designed sets in the game's history.

>>48013689

Merging things to steal mana makes sense from a thermo chemistry perspective since forming bonds releases energy.

>>48013533
>>48013600
Well I guess we know when it'll return next.
And now I badly want to see Eldrazi worshiping Phyrexian heretics

>>48013865
Why would Eldrazi worship heretical Phyrexians?

>>48013865
The Eldrazi don't worship. They just do their thing. Worship isn't their thing.

>>48013865
>eldrazi-worshiping
fixed that for you senpai

>>48009110

> lifegain

heres hoping more lifegain matters cards are printed for my soul sisters deck

or any efficient green beater such as strangleroot geist for G stompy

or any playable eldrazi for my Utron

>>48013879
>>48013927
Do not try to reason with people who want to see complaeted Eldrazi, they will not stop talking about it until they see their fucking lazer shark every-antagonist-ever grab-bag bullshit come to fruition and it doesn't matter how little sense it makes in the meantime

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>>48013865
>>48013533
How do you feel about this?

>>48013879
>>48013927
>>48013963
>Edlrazi worshiping phyrexian heretics
>Phyrexians who are heretics because they worship Eldrazi.
Reading comprehension .

>>48014052
If that's what you meant you should have said "Eldrazi-worshiping Phyrexian heretics." Punctuation in important.

>>48014052
If three people read it the wrong way maybe you didn't quite write it very clearly?

>>48014039
>1st turn Thought Knot Seer
>2nd turn Mindwrecker
Holy shit.

>>48014039
not broken at all / 10

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>>48014199
>>48014160
toned down to not bring back Eldrazi Winter in modern.

>>48014052
>let's eat Grandma
lrn2punctuate nigga

>>48014052
>char.jpg

>>48014039

gb2/ccg/

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>>48011371
Remember to include a bunch of these gods.

>>48011882
>>48009472
They finished most of this sets design and probably art before bloodborne even came out.

>>48015025
Is that the dude from Criminal Minds?

>>48013378
Phyrexian Eldrazi Horror

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>>48013378
>Final Iteration

>>48013378
>>48015177
School of Perfection-2UU
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 3/2 Insect Wizard token with flying onto the battlefield. If you control 3 or more Wizards, transform School of Perfection
Insectile Diploma
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 5/4 Insectile Wizard Graduate token with flying onto the battlefield


Mythic, of course.