MtG Spoilers

>>47995406
Whelp, that was expected. Shame it will be unusable because 3 color components and just get 2-for-1 removed the second it hits the field. Unless the "NO<3CMC" clause protects it...

>>47995458
Oh, nevermind on colors. It's mono white now apparently.

>>47995406
I have the perfect video to go with this card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Hoz2ZHYZM

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>>47995426
>Brisela

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>>47995406

Meld dies to abrupt decay

just like pic related

>>47995699
Hey, that's not bad.

I like that there are different triggers for melding.

>>47995699
Great land without even counting the melded creature, will see play for sure.

>>47995669
>Opponents can't cast spells lower than 3 cmc
Am I being memed?

>>47995699

Haste is great, Izzet Eldrazi should be a tier 1 thing.

I'm not 100% sure I care about the the flip side in that context.

>>47995742
Why are you still asking? Every post

>le removal

is a meme

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>>47995757
>>47995730
>>47995699
I can dig it.

>>47995742
No <3 4 U

>>47995750
the meld is basically just a bigger better version of the unmelded creature. it's late game finisher.

>>47995757
>only 5/8 mana

It's actually broken af.

>>47995669
Are you sure about that or are you just talking out of your ass again?

Flip cards now count as the CMC of their first side, so I'm assuming something along those lines will be true for these

>>47995812
5 mana, plus tap the land itself, plus the land goes away, so closer to being 6 mana + sac a land. still playable to close out in a monored or r/w deck.

>>47995813
probably borrowing from split cards, and technically have two cmc.

>>47995813

Not to mention Abrupt Decay would be pretty hard to cast

>>47995924
Well the angel isnt the only meld card. Might as well shut down the Abrupt Decay meme before it spreads

>>47995426
That is two fucking cards stacked ontop of each other. We have gone full fucking Pokemon now?!?!?!?!?

>>47995426
how are these cards going to work in edh?

>>47995965
Same as in any other format, all of the meld cards only have one color.

>>47995965
there's literally no difference you fucking retard EDH scum

>>47995965
All sides of double-faced cards are considered for color identity. I'm assuming it will be the same for meld cards.

>>47995426
Wow, Gisela is fucking great and Bruna is basically a one card Brisela, good job Wizards.

>>47995426
Gisela is value, Bruna is slow but enables Brisela okay, and Ever After is a slightly faster.

>>47995699
>>47995730
>>47995757
Garrison isn't bad, Battlements isn't bad, Township isn't bad. Probably the best meld since no chase mythic pieces.
Also
>We're ready for anything!

>>47995791
>>47995823
Strong self-enabling finisher for Bx aggro, I guess? Doesn't look that bad, and there's no shame being weaker than Brisela or the Township.

>>47995812
>>47995842

It's really a 9 mana, two card investment.

>3 mana creature.
>1 land
>5 mana +Tap activation.

And you get a pretty good creature with upsides. One swing gets you 13 power across 3 bodies.

Is it crazy good ? No. But playable, and the Garrison is a good creature in its own right.

>>47996068
Triskadekaphobia for days

>>47995426
>Gisela
>Pink hair

Literally why

>>47996024
>be edh player
>Gisela is an early game mini Akroma menace that will get instagibbed into the graveyard because nobody wants to deal with that shit on turn 2-3
>Bruna is a fantastic singleton in any human or angel deck, while finally bringing the two together as a general
>as long as you protect your graveyard, you can easily get Brisela out when using Bruna as your general

Alright /tg/ let the debate begin. Brisela vs Akroma

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>>47995426
>2WW for a 4/3 with Flying, First Strike AND Lifelink
Hello???

>>47996130
Her hair is now Emrakul

>>47996130
probably the same reason as the tentacles, sport

>>47996013
i mean how can something like hanweir be your general? do players still take commander damage from a melded card?

>>47996147
DELETE THIS

Wait, have they clarified how meld works in general? Do the meld cards go in your deck, and you get them out when you make them, or do they exist in some third area and you just put them in play?

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>>47996169
You can't have two separate cards pre-flipped as your commander ya numbskull

>>47995406
This definitely feels like the result of someone's corruption fetish.

>>47996147

>add 1 to get +1/+2, protection from demons and dragons

Too old

>>47996189
Bruna and Gisela, for example, are double faced cards that you put in your deck like any other card.

When they meld to Brisela you flip them over and arrange them into one bigger card.

>>47996224
It's almost confirmed that one of the writers does have a corruption fetish or is the go-to author for writing corruption.

>>47996189
the back of bruna has one half of brisela, the back of gisela has the other half. it's like BFM from Unglued.

>>47996179
Now this ability i like.

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>>47996179
More gimmicky synergy!

>>47996243
>>47996254
Oh wow, that's really weird.

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>>47996243
>When they meld to Brisela you flip them over and arrange them into one bigger card.
>flip them over and arrange them into one bigger card.
>arrange them into one bigger card.
I hope youre fucking joking with me here

>>47996189
gA clarified this in the judge thread. They should work similarly to dfcs. There's half of the full card in the back of the two meld cards

>>47996169
Commander is an identity of the card in all zones. The melded card will do commander damage.

>>47996216
You can have one and the other as a regular card in your deck. The question with commander damage after meld is legit. Also does commander damage work after Transform?

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>>47996289
this isnt exactly a new idea in tcgs

>>47996306
Your commander is always your.commander. even if it's stolen, transformed, morphed, manifested, Lignify-ed, or Turn to Frog-ed, it's always your commander.

>>47995426
So I know that the CMC on DFCs are what is printed on the front side but what about these guys? Is Brisela's CMC 11?

>>47996387
It's the combined cmc

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For anyone who is unsure about how this works:

>each piece has half the fused card on the back
>when the conditions are met, the pieces get exiled, the put back on the battlefield transformed as the creature on the back put together
>the fused creature behaves exactly the same as any other creature on the battlefield
>when it leaves play, the pieces go where the creature would go. If the fused creature goes to the graveyard, so do the pieces. the same with the hand, exile, and library(the owner chooses in which order the pieces are put)
>if the fused creature is blinked, the pieces return to the battlefield as their original pieces separated. However, since both pieces are there, they will likely fuse during the next combat or end step
>if one of the pieces is your commander(Gisela or Bruna), you may exile that card to your command zone as you would normally. This means as long as Gisela remains in your graveyard, you can fuse Gisela and Bruna back together by casting Bruna

And here we have a major shot in the arm for any Bruna deck. Let's hope legendary tutors become a white thing.

>>47995426
This was probably Gisela's idea, calling it now.

Bruna was always the better of the two anyways

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>>47996409

I would assume that if I used Pic related, Gisela and Bruna would return?

There's only 3 meld cards? Lame.

>>47996467
This brings up a good point since they count as one creature how would Saffi work, when do they split into separate cards?

>>47996467
I think that's how it works

>>47996409
>shot in the arm
I literally just came from a thread where somebody just used this term. 2spooky

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>>47996331

For a magic table, i think a horizontal version would have been better.
Imagine an epic scenery card with brisela ravaging innistrad rob alexander style.

>>47995813
Meld cards have the combined cmc of the 2 front cards

>>47996467
I don't think. After Brisela is put into the graveyard it doesn't exist anymore.

I think it works like if Brisela is a token, but when it stop existing for changing zone you put its components in that place instead.

>>47996504
>>47996508
>>47996467

These kinds of interactions will be clarified in the conference weeks. It could be Sufficient returns one creature, or no creatures, since Brussels doesn't exist in a graveyard.

Be patient, and we'll know soon enough.

>>47996467
They return to the battlefield separated

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>>47996504
>>47996508

I hope they have thought about this because it's entirely possible to happen in standard.

>>47996557
If you blink them, they return unmelded, so they work nothing like Tokens.

>>47996264
>Turn 3-4 3/4 flyer that 2 for 1s you and has no protection.
But hey, you discarded 2 cards to draw a card turn 3 right?

>>47996484
Yeah anon, because the entire set is already revealed! Retard

>>47996601
It's been stated.

>>47996586
Dat 8.
Dat X
Dat 2

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>>47996601
>Calling others retard

>>47996597
the card draw is on cast, so at worst it's a 1-for-1

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>>47996083
The Colour Out of Space!!!

Very nice flavor.

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>>47995426
Where's the Good Hunter when you need them?

>>47996700

I know. I love it. She's on of my favorite commanders.

>>47996704
Yeah. It is a solid reference. I want more direct stuff like this. Innistrad was full of it.

>>47996467
Won't know for sure until we get the official rules, but up until now DFCs have reverted to their front face when they change zones and I'd be incredibly surprised if this changed.

>>47996395
Reminds me more of replicate than entwine. I wonder if there will be any really cheap escalate costs.

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>>47996704
Is there a hunting horror yet?

>>47996395
Sideboard card for burn

>>47996844

Its more that they didn't specify the graveyard, but I'm assuming they both return.

>>47996484
There's fewer double-faced cards in this set, and since for whatever reason they decided to make both meld cards have backsides instead of just the one with the meld trigger it wouldn't be feasible to have any more wasted on the mechanic, especially with how niche meld is gonna be (unusable in limited and most constructed formats, but possibly playable in standard).

>>47996049
Hanweir's probably the only one that's well made... the mythic disparity with brisela is just going to artificially fuck with the prices and is a pretty annoying cash grab. Also since one of them is 7 cmc mana its very difficult to actually meld the cards together (you're not going to want too many brunas in your deck or you risk dead draws, but at the same time you need them for the meld).

Chittering host is just gambling, while the other two meld pairs range from good to very good when not melded, you have to waste eight slots on a 1B 2/1 with no effects and a shitty gravedigger in you deck somehow. It's way too much of an investment for constructed and is probably going to be about as effective as that caudron/hag/newt nonsense or the artifact scepter/crown/throne trio... i.e. nothing more than casual bait.

>>47996169
Neither of the Hanweir cards can be your general because they aren't legendary creatures, but you can make one of the angels your general and have the other one in your deck, and if you meld them they do commander damage.

https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/747491137623982081

"Combat damage dealt by Brisela counts for the Commander rule if either half is your commander."

>>47996868
The rats and the scavengers are commons, they can't be pushed too hard for constructed.

>>47996049
>Garrison isn't bad, Battlements isn't bad

This is actually much more important than the meld. Both components are playable in their own right, so you never need to rely on their other face as a reason to play it. What the meld does in this case is turn an early aggressive creature into a finisher, similar to the Level Up on cards like Guul Draz Assassin. It's entirely upside.

>>47995669
I can't wait for people to stop making these jokes. They've dogged the internet for far too long.

I was prepared to hate this set when Em was officially confirmed, but I have to say it's looking pretty interesting so far. Meld seems a bit lackluster since it seems to just be jamming abilities of two cards onto one which is easily removed, but if they explore it more thoroughly it may be pretty good even though it's high parisitism.
The desolation of hope and creeping dread as the world around you decays is ever present in the cards so far is is rather intoxicating and engaging,

>>47996864
You would assume wrong. Saffi does nothing to Brisela.

>Removal on the stack
>Sac Saffi, naming Brisela
>Brisela goes to the graveyard.
>Stops existing, Gisela and Bruna are in the grave.
>Saffi ability checks for Brisela, finds nothing named Brisela. Ability does nothing.

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>>47996864
Consider the way that cards like alive/well work.

What happens if it gets cascaded by violent outburst? Well, does it have cmc<3? Yes, it does. It has CMC 1 (Well). So you cast it. It just so happens to ALSO have CMC>3 (alive).
And you get both.

What about a meld card. What happened to the entity that was Brisela when it hit the graveyard? It turned into the card Bruna. It's just that it also turned into the card Gisela. And you get both.

>>47996964
I'm glad you have a bit of optimism in ya. I like the flavor too.

>>47996984
Saffi doesn't check in graveyard. It works like the flicker example they gave in the spoiler article, almost certainly.

>>47996928
But they're double faced cards, and at a rate of about 1-2 per pack it means they're never actually going to meld in limited

so what's the point of even giving them meld, if it'll never happen pretty much anywhere?

>>47996984
I dont believe it works that way with other transforming cards. Otherwise, things like cloudburst, oblivion ring, eldrazi displacer, flickerwhisp etc would permanently exile any flip cards, which they don't, even if they don't find the same named card in exile when the time comes.

we yugioh synchro now bois

>>47997013
Why do people keep saying this.

Synchro Summoning doesn't work anything like meld.

>>47996747
In a better game.

>>47997043
It's contact fusion.

>>47997043
right, its closer to the XYZ or whatever they are called.

>>47995458
What is reading :the post

>>47996964
>but if they explore it more thoroughly
Too bad. These three pairs are all there are. But what they COULD do in a future set that has more melds to make it play better is have it so every catalyst is common, and make it so most things have transform triggers that give resource advantage to compensate for lost card advantage.

>>47997099
this is Wizards, this mechanic will exist, for the most part, to push Mythics and rares that need each other.

it was always just them testing the waters for future Jewery.

>>47995503
why would you post the censored version?

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>>47997013
Wew thanks anon, i would never noticed without you

>>47997149
ur welcome m8, any time.

>>47997099
>only three melds
Wow it's fucking pointless just like how they introduced the "new" colorless shit in a small set too.
10/10 you almost sort of tried wotc

>>47997099
>in a future set that has more melds

>Wizards
>revisiting mechanics

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Well, time for me to make an owling mine deck for standard

>>47997170
Sets get new mechanics, some of which will only be for that set, this includes small sets.

This is not a new thing. This is a very old thing.

>>47995426
Brisela is the most stupid name ever.

>>47996467
They won't end up returning in any form since they will flip back brisela will no longer exist and will not have the trigger will no longer have a card to bring back. For sure this will be the rulling.

>When you cast..
Damn it, and here I was hoping to do some silly shit with Reanimating Angels to make Storm hate life. That effect is really, really powerful.

>>47997196

I didn't realize madness and transform were new mechanics.

>>47997196
they don't do it for every mechanic, but they do it for some.

Madness was an old mechanic. Flashback was returned mechanic. Morph. Kicker.

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>>47996969
nice, more totally original cards with this totally original mechanic

>>47997219
See
>>47997012

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>>47995426
>they made the Twin Goddess a magic card
Jeeeesus the hype

Glad they made Brisela a possibility for commander by making them both mono-W, but there's nothing to help me tutor Gisela in white. Still might be cool brewing an angel tribal deck that isn't Kaalia.

>>47997202
No shit, but usually those mechanics appear more than three times.
Hell even Epic at at least had 5

>>47997200
>target spell
Oh my!

>>47997200

>Wizards printing an actually good blue control card

I must be seeing things, there's no way this is real

>>47997251
We just got a new white tutor posted in this very thread

Why is Thalia so popular

>>47997248
If you oblivion ring the card they most likely will also stay in exile unlike other dfcs because they are two separate cards but I could see them rulling it so that they will both come back from that potentially. As far as saffis concerned for sure they will not come back that's too much of a stretch for the rules committee without a doubt, they become two separate identity cards when they hit the grave saffys abilities effects the single card and that card will disappear almost similar to a token when it dies.

>>47997200
>that flavor

Lili, you cheeky cunt

>>47997284
>control card

control =/= tempo

>>47997306
I don't know. I'd say waifuism but who would want to waifu someone who's been proven to be nothing but hate

>>47996350
What if your commander is shuffled into your deck and then manifested face down at some point? Is that still commander damage if your opponent doesn't know it's your commander?

>>47997404
Yes

>>47997404
You can't shuffle it into your deck anymore so it's a moot point.

>>47996130
Literally Lightning

>>47997306

She's the card that makes my Legacy deck a legitimate threat.

>>47997430
But you can shuffle the other piece of Brisela into your opponent's deck. They may be able to save Bruna, but Gisela isn't coming back anytime soon.

>>47997314
The issue is that Oblivion ring doesn't specify "at most one card"

It exiles Brisela. Works fine; one target.

If oblivion ring is destroyed, what does it send back to play? "The exiled card"

Is Bruna the exiled card? Yes.
Is Gisela the exiled card? Yes.

If O Ring was somehow modified on the stack to target 35 different permanents, it would still work that way.

>>47997099
>>47997170
Is this confirmed or are you guys talking out of your ass?

>>47997462
And that's why I said oblivion ring could possibly bring them both back but saffi like abilitys are a completely different story.

>>47997255
fair about meld.
Not fair about colorless costs mattering in OoG.

>>47997404
Opponents are allowed to know which face down creature is your commander.

>>47997430
You can still shuffle your commander into your deck. You just don't have to unless you actually want to anymore.

>>47997463

Confirmed in Maro's article:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/over-moon-part-1-2016-06-27

ctrl-f "the set only has three"

>>47997462

See >>47996985 for how I think the rules will interpret this. Both Bruna and Gisela are "that card" for Saffi, too

>>47997518
>We might bring it back
>An almost entirely emrakul specific mechanic
Wew lad wasted opertunitys

>They actually reworked BFM's mechanic and put it in a non-Un set

THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

>>47997490

Why would Saffi be any different?

They have already confirmed that Blinking and O-Ring return both cards unmelded.

>>47997520
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>>47997490

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>>47996849
Already has been printed

>>47997520
You can't even cast alive/well fused from cascade because it specifically requires you to cast it from the hand to fuse it. That guy is talking out of his ass.

>>47997556

They could easily flavor it differently (hence the relatively agnostic name "meld"). Granted, the flavor here fits super well.

Inb4 next set as artifacts that meld into Constructs

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>>47997200
Also confirmed as game day promo

I don't like this art but it's par for the course with other 2cmc blue instants. I think Unsummon or Remove Soul has a version that looks almost the same

>>47997636
>no lili quote
Damn, best thing about the original

>>47997306
Thalia is to white what Goyf is to green, Snapcaster is to blue, and Dark Confiant is to black.

Note that unlike those, she's legendary, because even WoTC knew better than to let people have multiple Thalias out.

Related, but I can see new Thalia being disgusting in Modern and Legacy even if she dies to Bolt/Abrupt Decay/Path/Swords/etc., since decks are so non-basic heavy and she fucks fetch + shocks/original dual manabases over fierce. And then if you have Thalia 1.0 out it's just plain and simple rude.

>>47997665
>Thalia is to white what Goyf is to green, Snapcaster is to blue, and Dark Confiant is to black.

that's a funny way of spelling Stoneforge Mystic

>>47995406
How do you cast it?

>>47997686
The first fucking reply to the thread. Jesus Christ.

>>47997678
Stoneforge is the other contender but has an actual deckbuilding cost to utilize it.

What you do is play both and make your opponent hate life when they can't ever block in between their stuff coming in tapped and protection from their deck swords

>>47997678
Stoneforge peaked about 2 years ago

>>47997678
Can you really hold a title if you're banned?

>>47997686
So you click on a thread and reply right away?

Meld i fucking hate it why do they feed pre-made combos down our throat? The cool thing about combos is that you built/implemented them yourself, or at least it feels like you did. Here its just uh, play two cards that literally say that they belong together
Boring as shit

>>47997744
Its just a two card transform. What's the problem?

>>47997200
>>47997636

there will be more battles to come, and I will face them behind "Unsubstantiate"! THE SPELL IN DA NORF.

>>47997343

Bounce/temporary countering can see play in control decks in small amounts. Many control decks are about having answers to stuff opponents play, and this card is an answer to just about everything early game. It seems even better though for protecting combos or tempo creatures.

What stands out to me about this card is that it doesn't actual use the "counter" mechanic, meaning it can beat(or at least delay) Abrupt Decay, Supreme Verdict and Thrun.

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>>47995426
>3 toughness

>>47997636
Source on promo?

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>>47997652
so much shade i reached for my cabal coffers

>>47997784
it shuts off "on Cast" abilites.

>>47997744
>Meld i fucking hate it why do they feed pre-made combos down our throat?
They don't. Cards that refer to other specific cards are few and far between. Also, Bruna has great interaction with all humans and angels.

>>47997792
>bolt test
>implying anybody was considering Brisela for modern
Kill yourself, anytime.

>>47997766
I... Told you what the problem is.
It's not that it's a transform.
It's that it's an obvious, pre-made combo.

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>>47997825
>playing any other mode than modern, legacy or french commander

>>47997821

You mean like the new Emrakul's "take an extra turn controlling your opponent's deck"? No, because the spell has already been cast I believe, the on-cast is already triggered by the time you cast Unsubstantiate in response.

>>47997834
I wouldnt call a big angel a combo. Beside, both angels are playable, and then you can just upgrade them into a huge one.

>>47997636
I guess no spoiling the rare one yet for plot reasons?

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>>47997825
>few and far between
>at least six cards in the same set, probably more

>>47997898
>at least
No they confirmed for six and only six in this set

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>>47997856
>Playing anything except Homelands draft.

>>47997744
>>47997834
I understand the complaint. This is much closer to something you'd see in Yugioh than something you'd see in Magic. But since there are only three pairs of Meld cards, and they're tied to a mechanic that we don't see much of outside of the Innistrad plane, I'm okay with it, because it's not something we're going to see dominate the game like the various Extra Deck cards do in YGO.

>>47997856
>Forgetting about Vintage
We're a format too. I swear.

>>47997869
Combo as in that it's a combination of cards for a certain effect. Not combo as in a sequence of cards that... Has a certain effect... You know what, those two are a combo, a pre-made, boring one. They may not make you insta-win but still.

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>>47997200
>Target spell
Wait, so if you have 6 mana you can use this on your own Collected Company to bounce it to your hand and still get the effect off because it was never countered?
Or does it have to be on the field to resolve?

>>47997912
I'm just pissed because it's the same thing as what they did in Guild Wars 2. Of course, in mtg you can just play other cards instead, so it's not as bad, but anyway.

>>47997947
cc has to resolve properly to have an effect. you can bounce it in response to a counterspell i guess

>>47995699
>>47995730
>>47995757
the story behind these cards made me pretty sad

>>47997947
no, but you can bounce something with a cast trigger back to your hand and the ability still goes off.

>>47997925
>correct reaction to someone saying they want to play vintage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2etjMl3WM

>>47997806
so Jace has no stolen all of old Venser's tricks.

>>47997925
sure you are, vintage
sure you are

>>47997714
>actual deckbuilding cost
>noncreature spells cost 1 more to cast
jej


>>47997724
modern idiotbois out

>>47997912
Yugioh didn't invent the concept of multiple specific cards having a special interaction.

>>47998049
I'm not saying it did, but you can't deny that the card-fusing aspect of Yugioh is a big part of its identity.

>>47997898
Six cards, all playable on their own, is "feeding down our throat"? You should tone down the victim complex. Going by a gatherer search, the last time they did anything like this was Renowned Weaponsmith in Fate Reforged, and before that, M14's Bogbrew. Not everyone is fishing for compliments over how creative they are for shitbrewing a combo.

>>47997317
She's just salty that he ditched her for Butch Deadlift

>>47996130

She's losing her individuality as seen by her dropping RED mana you imbecile

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>4/3 flying, first strike, and lifelink for fucking 4
Oh boy, can't wait to see even MORE white at my meta.

>>47996759
that babe got way better !
would run her now.

>>47995406

Hello there, the angel from my nightmare, the shadow in the background of the morgue, the unsuspecting victim of darkness in the valley.

>>47996130
>flailing pink tentacles growing out of her back
perfectly normal
>pink hair
UNACCEPTABLE.

>>47996246
While being That Guy and inserting your fetish into everything gets you kicked out of most groups, it gets you promoted in Wizards.

Maybe that's the real explanation for the trans, agendered, and gay characters showing up in recent years. We're all on a roller-coaster ride through Wizards' magical realm.

>>47998213
Remember, anon, anything remotely """anime""" is to be shunned and despised, as it is forbidden to like more than 1 thing.

>>47998130

Well, she kind of was upset that Jacey-poo ignored her.

>>47998130
>Butch Deadlift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY

>>47998195
And in the night we'll wish this never ends
We'll wish this never ends
[...]
Dont waste your time on me youre already a voice inside my head.

>>47997947
A spell that's returned to its owner's hand is no longer on the stack and therefore can't resolve. It's not countered, but it doesn't exist anymore.

You can use it on a card with a "when you cast this" trigger like the Eldrazi have though.

>>47998390

You're alright, anon.

>>47998018
>Jace stole Venser's tricks
>Nissa stole Koth's "We will endure" quotes
>Gideon stole Elspeth's token thing
Man the Jacetice league are a bunch of thieves.

>>47998175
If you're playing Standard and keyword-steroided creatures bother you, you're playing the wrong format man. There's probably no format for you however.

Consider that in Modern and older (and I'm not saying it's any better) creature viability means doing something absolutely degenerate - something that has to roll with the baddest motherfuckers in the history of the game. In that context even more creatures look like garbage than in Standard. I mean, I'd be grateful that some dogshit 4/3 Flying, Lifelink, First Strike is going to probably see play if I played Standard. Because it sure as hell isn't going to roll anywhere else. Standard players get to play with like 10% of a set's cards, Eternal players get like 1%. Commander probably gets a whopping 20%.

It's all Goblin Guides, Thalias, Eternal Witness, Watchwolf-clones, and Aetherlings from here on out man. Wizards doesn't want players to have to work to make things good. It probably takes ten times the effort to produce a card like Clique or Gifts Ungiven.

I don't fucking understand how they can continue to justify not actually reprinting a Stone Rain variant for Standard. You don't need to have a Llanowar Elf to ramp it out just have it. Of course, the last thing you want is players not being able to cast their big fucking marketing-engine 13-mana creatures.

>>47998616
Man, Gideon stealing tokens bothered me way too much. Gideon had a clear identity. Pumping team and making tokens wasn't one of them.

>next set after Kaladesh
>Phyrexian Rim
>Introduces contraptions for Mirran Jaegers and brings back annihilator for Phyrexian Kaiju
>second set is Darksteel Ball Run
>phyrexians run across mirrodin to secure the parts of the corpse of Karn and become the Father of Machines
>each parun seeks the corpse of Karn to ascend, and surviving Mirrans try to foil their plans

MAKE IT SO WIZARDS

>>47998823
>and brings back annihilator

never ever anon.

>>47998812
He also stole Elspeth's schtick of being a general when before Gideon was essentially a soldier who fought on his own.

>>47998812
>>47998616
I'm okay with it. As long as Elspeth is dead, white needs a token generator. It's not like he stole soldiers from her.

>>47997895
>Let's hide the tits and ass, also make her ambiguously thick and thin so that nobody complains.
SJWs will complain anyway. In the meantime we lost her regal elegance at the altar of "functional armor".

>>47998823
Contraptions can never work with the way steamflogger boss is worded.

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>>47995426
>fusion cards
WE YU-GI-OH NOW

>>47997895
I loved her old hair that seemed to be alive with the wind, it was truly amazing.

her new hair looks like dogshit, she doesn't look anything like OG Thalia.

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>>47998758
To be honest I don't mind New Gisela near as much as this guy because hers are keywords while Kalitas is one keyword with two other extremely relevant effects stapled onto one card.

>>47998986
plus 3/4's are always better than 4/3's always.

period.

>>47995426
WELCOME TO MAGIC THE GATHERING GX

ELEMENTAL HEROES WHEN

>>47997518
>>47997556
>wotc pissing mechanics down their legs at zero hour in the last set of a block
par the course at this point, but this is just embarrassing.

>>47998184
>way better
/tg/ really is bad at magic.

>>47998924
>Contraptions can never work with the way steamflogger boss is worded.
I can think of one way it could work, though I'm not well-versed enough in the exact workings of Magic rules to know if it would ACTUALLY work.

Assembling a Contraption works like Monstrous, except instead of doing it to themselves, creatures (including but potentially not limited to Riggers) have an activated ability that Assembles the Contraption instead.

For instance.

>Generic Rigger
>Creature - Rigger
>R, T: Generic Rigger Assembles a Contraption

>Generic Contraption
>Artifact - Contraption
>T: Add <> to your mana pool
>If Generic Contraption is Assembled, add one mana of any color to your mana pool instead

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OTHERWORLDLY JOURNEY IS ALREADY A CARD
ITS NAME EVEN FITS

>>47999092
process the creature

>>47998899
The old outfit features Avacyn's Collar the symbol of her church. It wouldn't make sense for her to have kept it. More could have been done than belts and pouches, sure, but the art is not bad.
>>47998961
Both the regular art and the buy a box promo NuThalia have better framing than either OGThalia arts. The original had nice dynamics with the wind and angle, but you can hardly even see her face.

>>47999092
Maybe I'm just being paranoid but it seems like White is getting a ton of good shit. Try and ultimate price an Avacyn and they just blink her as she comes back as a 5/5.
Blink their untapped blocker before swinging for lethal
Blink their attacker and follow up with a Dec in Stone.

>>47998986
he is a much needed answer to CoCo

>>47998899

You're literally cancer, that's how female armors are supposed to look. Please kill yourself and take your boob plates with you.

>>47999145
Temur Gooodstuff When

>>47999155
in what way does he answer coco?

>>47999092
its an Arcane, which would have to be printed on the card, and would confuse the fuck out of people why this card is called an "arcane" when its the only one.

>>47999113
so? why not have a little dramatic angle that obscures the face, not every legendary should just be a fucking Bust shot of the character standing, that is boring as fuck.

OG Thalia was fairly unique for a legendary, samew ith OG Kalitas (he's standing with his back face to you)

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>>47999092

What happens when you use this on melded creatures? Do they come back?

>>47999189
They come back as their separate pieces, if they are both creatures they both get the counters.

>>47999189
Both permanents come back, unmelded.

>>47999189
They come back separated, if both melds are creatures, they both get the counters.

I'm excited for Eldritch Moon solely because it might be the source of the cards I need to make a semi-decent horror tribal deck. Dare I dream that they may finally print a Horror lord?

>>47999212
>>47999259
but when they meld again do their counters merge? Do they share any attached equipment or auras?
What happens if they get exiled again? Do you just split it all up as you see fit?

>>47996759
>>47997895
It looks like she melded with a man since the last set, and not in the sexual way

>>47996504
>>47996508
>>47996557
>>47996569
>>47996844
>>47997219
>>47996467
In any zone other than the battlefield, the back doesn't matter. You can't tutor for Brisela just like you can't tutor for Insectile Aberration.
>Each face has its own set of characteristics: name, types, abilities, and so on. While a DFC is on the battlefield, only the face that's up matters. If a DFC isn't on the battlefield, the front face is all that matters. You cast all DFCs using the front face. This means you cast Elusive Tormentor, paying {2}{B}{B}. You can't cast Insidious Mist or any other back face. When the spell resolves, Elusive Tormentor enters the battlefield.

>>47996586
For Liliana specifically, Brisela goes to the graveyard as Bruna and Gisela. See >>47996409 for what happens if you bring them back.

>>47999343
All melding is sexual when you have a boner for body horror.

I look forward to this in my Sisay EDH deck.

>>47999212
It gets a counter regardless of what type of permanent it is.

>>47999321
Cards exile themselves before they meld. So the counters get removed before the cards come back as one.

>>47999175
i meant the coco archetype

There are going to be so many judge calls at prerelease.

>>47999117
Lose the shitty Exalted creatures for:
Banisher Priest
Fiend Hunter
War Priest of Thune
etc

>>47999183
>so? why not have a little dramatic angle that obscures the face, not every legendary should just be a fucking Bust shot of the character standing, that is boring as fuck.
So the choices are:
>Full body Thalia standing in a windy field, PoV of an ant in the grass a few feet away, cannot see face.
>Foil only, face shot so ridiculously tight that you'd have no clue who it's supposed to be if she weren't holding her hilt up to her cheek. Uncanny valley AF
>Over-the-shoulder bust shot, clearly features her face, hair, and sword
>Foil only, action bust shot, clearly features her face, hair, and sword

>>47999485
Like every prerelease ever.

Okay, Magic Origins didn't have too many, though.

>>47999498
Not him, and I actually really like the new art, but you can't so the old one isn't instantly more recognizable and unique

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>>47999498
This will always be the best Thalia art because they made it when she was nobody.

>>47999498
the old ones are iconic to magic as a whole and will never die as amazing art for the game and are used to this day to promote the game.

the new one is a generic sword lady, everything unique about Thalia is gone.

didn't even get the same "wind hair" thing she's known for.

Somehow they managed to fuck up the absolute best plane by injecting it with the absolute worst. Who the fuck thought this alien, reality warping bullshit was a good idea in a gothic horror setting?

>>47999548
one of the best MTG arts of all time.

its crazy how dynamic a still, standing character shot this is.

>>47999589
thats the nature of ELdrazi, much like Planeswalkers from all sorts of cultures end up on all sorts of places, so to can the Eldrazi.

that is the entire point of them that raises them above "monster of the set".. they can be the monster of ANY set, they are SUPPOSED to be Alien and jarring, because they aren't from here.. or anywhere else.

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>>47999589
>on /tg/
>not a lovecraft-fag

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>>47999589
>Doesn't know Lovecraft is the natural evolution of Gothic horror

>>47999589
Stay salty.

>>47999572
>>47999596
>>47999548
What the hell are you talking about.
For fucks sake she has a katana's saya an a rapier in hand.

>>47999589
You are the worst. Innistrad so far is great. Injecting it with cosmic horror makes it even greater.

>>47999624
>>47999627
I hate Lovecraft but I love Innistrad and Bloodborne.
It's not really the "natural evolution", though. Castlevania isn't exactly dripping with the Colour Out of Space, except maybe as a glowy cloud boss fight.

>>47999642
Who gives a fuck? Are you autistic? Wait, of course you are, that's why you like the new Thalia art.

>>47999113
I didn't meant I want her wearing her cathar uniform, I meant, this is fucking roccoco-victorian magic, she could be dressed up as Maria of the astral clocktower or motherfucking Napoleon, instead we got a Leyfield version of "functional armor" that's anachronistic of the setting and unbecoming of her.

>>47998823
>tfw there will never be a cowboy plane because noguns

>>47999169
>Red
>Goodstuff
Never.

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>>47995406
>"Hey, you really like Gisela, right?"
>"You've been waiting to see if she returns in the new sets, right?"
>"Well, they just spoiled a new card for her!"

...Not like this.... not like this...

>>47999589
>Who the fuck thought this alien, reality warping bullshit was a good idea in a gothic horror setting?
Well Fromsoft managed to make it work really well.

>>47999165
>abloo bloo bloo tits are scary!
She shouldn't be wearing metal armor in the first place, that's a vampire thing. Cathars and hunters wore cloth armor or light breastplates.

>>47999722
they could hypothetically flavor it as mages in dusters shooting elemental bullets from their fingers but that seems like a cheap workaround for the fundamental problem that wotc doesnt want guns in a setting

>>47999771
Good thing she's a HERETIC Cathar.

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>>47999754

>>47997611
mentioned in previous spoiler thread but:
>creatures merge with enchantments to become enchantment creatures
>men become myths
>overthrow gods with their very own divine powers
>Return to Theros: Rise of the Demigods
legendary zombie Elspeth the Returned and legendary spirit Eidolon of Heroism merge into a planeswalker. this is officially the only way I could forgive wotc for bringing back elspeth.

>>47999798
Those two lines had more emotion behind them than all of Neo's dialogue.

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>>47999532
It's more recognizable thanks to the card being strong and everyone having some experience with it.
It's more unique absolutely. She couldn't still wear the Avacyn symbol after SOI, so a costume change was in order. Again, they could have gone a million ways with it, and they went with a pretty bland one, sure. Buckles, pouches, and leather armor are just safe design choices.
>>47999548
The full art is fantastic. I'm not backpedaling when I say it's my favorite Thalia art. However it doesn't translate well on the card itself. A little brighter on the face, even just a couple highlights on the features could have made a world of difference.
As card art, the new ones are better.
>>47999720
I gave up on expecting good things from costume redesigns back when Olivia 2.0 got spoiled. Not sure why they had pic related in SOI, only to change to tacticool in Eldritch Moon. It would have been cool to see her alter or remove the symbol, while maintaining the old base outfit.

>>47999793
Doesn't mean she magically gets a fitting armor out of nowhere.
And vampires seem to be on Emrakul's side. Only the humans protected by geists, geists, zombies and the jacetice league are unaffected by her bullshit.

>>47999656
not that anon but I just found that I was tired of Eldrazi by the end of BFZ. I would have loved a cool new Eldritch bad-thing presence, but we get Emrakul instead. I liked the whole mystery of Emracool peacing out of Zendikar and it just seems like they wanted his absence to be a thing. Surfacing on Innistrad right after we just got done with BFZ just feels like irritating laziness rather than intentional storytelling. Totally on board with Cosmic Horror, just more Eldrazi doesn't seem like the best choice.

On the surface it just looks like WotC blew their load too quickly.

>>47999792
All they have to do is use wands.
Wand combat in the HP verse is pretty much gunslinging with trick bullets.

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>>47999677
I didn't state a preference. Personally, I think the new promo looks best. It has a charging into battle feel.

>>47999856
>>47999798
Pic related

>>47998873
>As long as Elspeth is dead
So only some of them are thieves. The rest are grave robbers.

>>47998616
>Chandra stole literally everything about Jaya

>>47999894
>Not sure why they had pic related in SOI, only to change to tacticool in Eldritch Moon.
Because she hadn't realize the church was dead at that point.
Although I also would have liked to see a tarnished and tattered Cathar outfit.

>>47999982
Jaya's hair wasn't a bonfire.

I wonder if a Jaya planeswalker card could coexist with Chandra.

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It would not have been difficult to do better than this. Jason Chan could've knocked it out of the park. They went cheap and stupid.

>>47999856
because Keanu Reaves, while by all accounts a very nice guy, easy to work with and willing to try basically anything the director tells him, is a actor with has a limited range.

Work within that range and you can get John Wick, try to get him outside of that range, and things start falling flat.

>>47999905
I wanted Marit Lage because she does everything Emrakul does but is capable of speaking, understands living beings and enjoys psychological torture.

>The lady of the sea rises and everyone dances to her tune.
vs
>Lol I'm a wall now.

I liked Emrakul better when it reversed the laws of physics and turned people into eldrazi. Lage would have played the Moon Presence part much better, would have fit with the Stromkirk cult being an ancient thing, and actually has a personality that enjoys worship.

>>48000035
That looks great, though.

>>48000044
But everything you said is wrong.

>>47999982
Jaya and Chandra were like-minded BFFs you meme-spouting buffoon!

>>48000035
All would be well if the Villaneuve art featured Voss' costume.
And if Schimmer still worked with Voss because he's a rendering machine but still sucks at drawing.

>>47999189
>cast Long Road Home targeting Hanweir, the Writhing Township
>it's exiled and unmelded as Hanweir Battlements and Hanweir Garrison
>a the beginning of the next end step, Hanweir Battlements and Hanweir Garrison would return to the battlefield unmelded, each entering with a +1/+1 counter (Battlements still gets a counter even though it's no longer a creature)

>>48000044
Not saying that Marit Lage would have been a bad choice, but I do like the idea that even eldritch abominations are capable of character growth.

>>47996756
You've got one lenient playgroup then. Planeswalkers aren't supposed to be allowed to be commanders without that little text at the bottom.

>>48000055
The face looks too stiff. It's not alive and I can tell this is the reason he hid the face in the original.

>>48000156
You know she's a creature, right?

They better put in some Zombie/Vampire/Werewolf support otherwise this block and set is going to go down as a failure in stark contrast to its original.

>>48000200
Some cheap Eldrazi Vampires for my standard deck would be nice.

>>47999995
>Because she hadn't realize the church was dead at that point.
I think she did. Might be why she's covering it with her hand.

From Strength of Arms' flavor text:
"We fight not for Avacyn, but for her ideals; not for the church, but for its people."
—Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

Goddamn they didn't even need to change the outfit. If anyone asked she could have just said she fights for Avacyn's ideals.

>Although I also would have liked to see a tarnished and tattered Cathar outfit.
This would be ideal, but I'm not sure if they could successfully pull that off in a single piece of art without also taking up the flavortext for context.

>>48000035
Everything but the face is great. I hope it looks okay on the card itself. The white that comes through hearkens back nicely.

>>47999999
>>48000000

>>47999212
>>47999259
>if they are both creatures they both get the counters.
>if both melds are creatures, they both get the counters.

Both cards get a +1/+1 counter upon returning whether they're creatures or not. Hanweir Battlements would come back as a land with a useless +1/+1 counter on it.

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>>48000156

>>47999894
> Not sure why they had pic related in SOI, only to change to tacticool in Eldritch Moon

Have you seen the shit going down on Innistrad? Everyone is armoring up. Even Sorin's wearing more armor than usual in his Grim Nemesis card

>>48000325
St. Traft is her armor.

>>48000196
>>48000280
Yeah, I tried that argument too for a Kytheon/Gideon commander deck and my group got real salty with me.

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>>48000362
>tfw you will never creep on qt cathars from beyond the grave like some kind of spectral Joe Biden

Feels bad man

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>>48000035
>Based Hannes fucked it up

>>48000398
But it's in the official rules. It's a legendary creature. Your group sucks.

Couldn't all of the geists on Innistrad just throw themselves inside Emrakul and start tearing shit up?

>>47999617
Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that they're boring and shit.

>>47999624
I like Lovecraft. I dislike the Eldrazi as they're a shitty knock off.

>>47999627
lol

>>47999767
Yeah but they did it properly.

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>>48000400
I imagine Invocation in action is just Geist of Saint Traft following the enchanted creature around, going full Swayze every time the declare attackers step comes around.

>>48000398

Dude.

Liliana is literally a Legendary Creature on her front side.

There is zero ambiguity.

>>48000439
This I cannot deny. The more resonable ones wanted to let it go but some loud autismos made a real fuss so I just try to avoid them.

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>>48000280
Best mono-black commander

>>48000503
Tell them to fucking google it.

>>48000503
>>48000398
Goddamn, I can't even imagine trying to convince them to allow things like Elbrus or the Nephilims. Find a better playgroup.

>>48000520

Seriously. I fucking love my Liliana deck. I took it apart because my group didn't like me destroying their hands, but I couldn't stay away. It's such a good feeling when you slap down her emblem.

>>48000503

They are trying to prevent you from playing something 100% legal AS IT WAS INTENDED. Fuck them. Build Kytheon. He sucks anyway.

>>48000582

Those are actually illegal, though.

>>47997255
this is has six doesn't it?

>>48000616
>Those are actually illegal, though.
I'm aware. But it's a casual format. With no prizes on the line at a kitchen table, and knowing full well that the illegal commander in question was picked for color availability or flavor reasons, good groups will let it slide. Not to mention, in regards to the Nephilims, that the next commander product will be 4-color commanders: it's a good idea to use them as placeholders for goodstuff lists.

>>47995406
Looks like a goddamn Final Fantasy boss. Woo so creative.

>>48000706
Nothing new under the sun. If you expect completely original ideas from anything, you're just going to disappoint yourself.

>>47995406
>>47995426

All I want is a story focused on a fight between Siguarda and whats few angels loyal to her and Brisela and the rest of the eldrazi angels. If that happens and is done decently(cause we know Wizards is gonna fuck even that up) then I can forgive a few things about this set. That said for some reason I wanna build this an an edh. Was gonna convert my Darien deck into Akroma but now with this thing I may want to wait. Thoughts?

>>47997211
Nah, Brangelina was worse.

>>48000616
>Those are actually illegal, though.

The only time you should need to convince you playgroup to allow you to play something as your commander is when it's illegal.

>>48000479
But Anon, that's actually Whoopie Golberg in some sweet interracial lesbian action.

>>48000398
Tell them to suck it and play Kytheon anyway, since it's completely legal and allowed and 100% above board and if they bitch about it, just complain about their Commanders, regardless of who they're playing.

>>48000448
You're boring and shit.

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>>47997714
>mfw my legacy goblin decks runs only mountains

The creature etb tap is a pain but good old fashioned removal is still good old fashioned removal

>>48000582
>>48000616
>>48000540
Like I said tho, autismos. The worst is that I actually have to be careful not to win too hard or the salt gets ridiculous. We've got one guy who just constantly buys cards to make his deck super broken and then acts like its all his skill at the game. I mean, I understand that's a legitimate thing to do but if you can afford a good modern deck, it's kind of dickish to actually use it in a group where most of us can't afford to invest that level of money. I'd love to find a better group but I'm not sure how to go about that. I've only been playing a year and a half myself and got into this group through friends.

>>48000852
>Won't follow the 70-30 rule
>Won't let you play with completely format legal cards
Kill them

>>48000852
Show them in the rules that they're wrong, in front of everyone. They'll have to give in, or throw a huge shitfit and get kicked out.

>>48000362
It would have been great if she was actually wearing St. Traft's armor.
Alas, no good things can we have.

>>48000882
70-30 rule?

>>48000432
He's been fucking it up since he realized slaving to anatomy doesn't instantly make you good at stylization and failing to proove this truth wrong.
One more victim of the /ic/ cult of Loomis.

>>48000696
>placeholders for goodstuff lists

Thank you for reminding me wizards is doing 4c. I had almost blissfully forgotten, and I don't look forward to them at all. There are enough good stuff decks without adding black tutors or white removal, or green ramp. I know I'm the minority in this issue, so I'm not even going to argue again. I'm just leaving the format for good when it officially lands. That's where I draw the line.

>>48000852

Seriously, fuck them. Play what you want if it's legal. If you're worried about winning to hard or fast, build a meta control deck that wins when everyone else is out of resources. If it's just that one guy with his over tuned expensive deck, make sure you pack shit to deal with the problems he presents.

>>48000400
>like some kind of spectral Joe Biden

Don't worry, anon. I laughed.

>>48000696
>>48000988
Oh shit, they've confirmed 4 colour commanders?

>>48000280
Fucking hate seeing cards like this. Makes me want to build a new deck for a game I have no one to play with.

>>48001037

Only a. Month and a half ago

http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2016-edition-information