/wmhg/ - Warmachine Hordes general

Big update for conflictchamber.com: Google login is now supported, and if logged in, you can save lists to the website.

Probably bugs out there from it, yell at me if you find any.

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>>47955394
top job CC-anon.

at this rate we'll have fully-superior full-functionality before i've even played my first game!

it is community members like you that put industry insiders to shame. please keep up the good work.

do you have plans for CC or are you simply making it better and better?

>>47955576
>do you have plans for CC or are you simply making it better and better?

Short-term I'm working on having it be able to print up a Steamroller record sheet automatically.

Long-term, I'd like to -- assuming I get a critical mass of users -- turn it into a hub for scheduling tabletop games and other events by having a map and calendar and the ability to say "I'm going to be at this shop playing at this time, looking for an opponent" or "We've got a tournament at this time and place" and have someone be able to bring up a map that shows where people are playing nearby and when.

As part of that (with the ability to submit lists to local events), I'm really interested in being able to do some analysis of what gets *played* (I'm a computer science researcher by day, so analyzing stuff like that is actually fun) and be able to do some more detailed analysis of list structure and such. I'd like to have a button where a steam-powered Clippy pops up and suggests adding more armor cracking because your list will have trouble with the median list of the same size, etc.

But for the most part it's awesome to have people use something you made, and I'll keep improving it as I have time.

It doesnt let me post lists from my phone

>>47955742
Wow thats kinda insane. In a good way.

>>47956238
How are you trying to post it, and what phone are you using? I've only really tested phone stuff with Chrome on Android, but that at least works.

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>>47956271
I was using the default browser, silly me.

I'm thinking with gaspy2 dead (rip) this will be my mainline list. I feel it resists shooting and melee fairly well. Pairing with Scaverous and Venethrax

Hi there blog, I had a really shit game a couple hours ago.

>Make 8 attacks with Hexeris2
>Feat
>Make 7 more attacks
>Barely kill the Angelius because I missed about 10 of those attacks
>Die because my spells are completely ineffectual

Yeah I think any spell slinger that isn't Rasheth is automatically bad now because there's so many spells that increase defense against magic attacks.

>>47956756
What were the lists?

>>47956952
He was using Bethayne and 14DEF infantry that basically won him the game by going to 16DEF making it impossible to reliably land Ashes to Ashes on anything. Throw in some of the worst rolling I've ever done and it was just an all round shit game to play. Hexeris needed a 7 to hit the Angelius. I was expecting to charge it, kill it in a few swings, then have a couple transfers. I had to feat to steal 7 fury, then use the entire stack to kill it on the last swing. Not like it mattered since Bethayne is the hardest to starve warlock in the game since she just cuts herself then melds all the damage away. Fuck 16DEF infantry man, shit's just dumb. I threw a boosted Black spot at them, missed, threw another, missed. The entire game wasn't fun.

How will Mk 3 influence Menoth, Cryx, Cygnar and Mercs/Rhulic? I was looking to get back into the game and my wife professed an interest in those factions. I was probably going to pick up Rhulic or Menoth myself.

>>47955742
Sounds great. In Germany there's T3 (tabletopturniere.de) which is sued for organizing basically any event. So I can't even fathom how everyone else does it.

>>47957057
Rhulic and Menoth both look strong. For Rhulic, you'll be using non-rhulic solos and maybe some non-rhulic units, but rhulic jacks got very strong in Mk3

Hello /wmhg/. Today I learned something. Khador is broken as fuck.

>>47957174
Are the High Shields worth it at all? I always liked them, but they were lackluster.

>>47957226
They still seem relatively lackluster iirc.

>>47957236
What about Precursor Knights?

Which is better to have to start with in cygnar, assuming you already own the all in one, trenchers or storm blades/more jacks. Rn the jacks I have are the reliant/stormclad, charger, defender and a centurion

>>47957184
Show me on the doll where the Juggernaut touched you, Anon.

>>47957355
Not just the juggernaut. I've seen some shit.

>>47957329
Well which caster do you like?

>>47957369
>>47957369
>Well which caster do you like?
Like I said, just starting, but I'll probably use the Haley's a lot, alongside Caine 2 and siege, stryker too. I wanna run trenchers, but I really don't know if they're good or not and want some input mainly

>>47957646
Well if you want Haley and Trenchers, then Haley3 is just what you need. She's a bit complicated though. In fact, the only easy Haley is Haley1 and she is so easy it's beyond boring to play (against) her.

Trenchers (Trencher Infantry that is) in general are good and very independent. They can use caster-dependent buffs, but don't need them. So you could basically play Trenchers + Command Attachment + 3 Rifle Grenadiers + Finn in basically any list and at worst they would perform okay.

>>47957022
Dont you have acces to the razorworm that can arc into the back?

>>47957722
I was using one. The problem is he put his infantry in the middle so I couldn't slip around the side. On one flank was trees, on the other was cavalry with poisonous shots and RNG12. Starting to think that Hexeris1 would be better purely because I could drop that sweet 5" template on faggots.

>>47957711
Who would be a good caster to start with then, assuming I have the all in one and just the basic trencher box

>>47957771
Well, Siege is up there. He's really simple. Stryker1/Maddox might be good as well. In all honesty, Cygnar has no bad caster (not even Sturgis, Stryker1 and Maddox are just better than him). I'd just advise against starting with Haley2 or 3, just because of their complexity.

>>47956407
just 2 characters jacks.
>Mk2 is over kiddo, didn't you get the memo?

>>47957833
Alright, so siege, Maddox styker and Haley1 to start

How bad is Boomhowler now with the Tough changes?

What are the best Menoth casters, post Mk3?

>>47958123
sevys
feora2
amon
HR
kreoss1, maybe 3 too
kreoss2 might be good with the knights theme
harby is still good, just not as far above the rest
thyra is better but still a cut below par
durst and vindy are meh

>>47958182

>all the casters I wanted to play

Excellent. But what about the Testament?

>>47958182
Durst is pretty incredible now that you can run the battlegroup he always wanted

>>47958044
Sure. Which caster do you like most out of those? Maybe we can come up with an early list draft based on the stuff you have.

>>47958182

Kross my nigga, I really like his 2 and 3 models though. Are they going to be stand up at all this edition?

>>47958240
I'm not sure about Testament. He has 3 good spells and a really neat feat, but 6 focus is only enough for his upkeeps and casting raise dead twice and 14/16 defensive stats are bad enough that you're going to need to spend more than most to protect him which hurts with his below-average wj points. I might be underrating his feat by a lot, though.

>>47958249
Durst suffers from needing his infantry to bunch up around his jacks in an edition where bunching up gets single-wounders killed. He isn't bad, I just think he is outclassed by protectorates very strong stable of casters.

>>47958506
>Durst suffers from needing his infantry to bunch up around his jacks in an edition where bunching up gets single-wounders killed. He isn't bad, I just think he is outclassed by protectorates very strong stable of casters.

lol i don't people are even giving a shit about that aspect of the feat except for maybe using it on durst himself.

>>47958506
Last time I played Durst I brought six jacks, support, and a unit of Daughters to throw at the enemy and tie them up for as long as possible. It worked quite well.

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>>47958027
Oops, I fixed it.

>>47958771

I avin' a giggle, m8?

Is infantrymachine dead or should I still buy a box of errants and sword knights?

>>47959145
People are saying it's dead, but I don't think so.

Weaponmaster spam dies pretty hard to ranged armies, but the no real ranged jackspam you're seeing people do has very little in the way of shit to stop the infantry from getting there, so it's likely to roll them.

>>47959145
infantry is fine

>>47959145
Jacks got better but infantry are still good along as they weren't nerfed into the ground (bane thralls)

>>47959199
>Waah, my hard hitting infantry no longer come with built in defensive tech and easy threat extenders! Now I only have the ability to kill a heavy with three of them with my faction's debuff tech!

>>47959231
>Being this salty over a simple truth

I don't even play cryx, lol

>>47959252
They weren't nerfed into the ground, they were brought in line with what they were supposed to be.

>>47959279
Brought into line with nerfs. As opposed to brought into line with buffs.

>>47959279
i mean, if the ground is the line, then in that case they were nerfed to teh ground.

>>47959325
nerfing is better than buffing
"everything is OP" is not a good way to handle a game

>>47955375

Gonna be new to cygnar and one of my favourite aspects of them is their infantry models, have a couple questions

1: Can either Caine run trenchers well? I'm not a fan of a lot of Cygnar's casters (Haley, striker, and sloan hold no interest to me)

2: Are any of the trencher UAs good? (Chain gun, cannon, officer/sniper). I also really like trencher commandos, but I've heard they're not great.

3: How would one suggest expanding on the cygnar battlegroup once I get my hands on it and become familiar with it?

thanks

>>47959332
>"everything is OP" is not a good way to handle a game
Malifaux 1st edition

>>47959332
Do you have extra chromosomes?

>>47959363
There is a reason they went to 2nd edition, and why 2E is much better.

>>47959332
Riot games please go

>>47959373
yeah thats what i mean.

>>47959179

So I should buy Exemplar Knights and Errants? I have to admit i'm not hot and bothered for the other menite infantry model-wise, so this seems to play into my strengths. I was going to take Kreoss 2 or 3 anyway..

But who else benefits from having Exemplar around?

>>47960025
>But who else benefits from having Exemplar around?
Anyone with a speed or armor buff is good with them, and so is anyone who can revive them.
Thyra is also bretty good with them due to occultation, carnage and silence of death.
They can work with eSevvy, using rebuke as a pseudo speed boost.

The rezniks and amon probably do the least for them out of all our casters

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>>47960199

Good, good,

Question number two; who is this nigga best with? I love the model, the lore, the rules, but I don't know where he fits in at all especially with Mk 3.

>>47958354
Probably Maddox desu. I like her and what I've heard of Haley, so any help there would be great. I would like to use trenchers if possible though

Are these threads always this slow?

>>47959231
With Gaspy2 being dead theres no reason to bring bane thralls ever

>>47960800
Nothing to really talk about also it's worktime in the US.

Wmh threads were always slow mid day even at its heights

>>47960800
People are out playing WMH in the US.

>>47960308
>but I don't know where he fits in at all especially with Mk 3.
On the shelf

>>47960308
He's MAT 8 in a world of MAT 6 jacks

>>47960308
Anyone who has a non battle group buff that they can throw on him. Like eye, or ignite.

>>47960886

> even at its heights

Is the game interest dying off or what?

>>47961063

Rude.

>>47961274
>>47961301


Point. Then, Severius or whatever. A shame I really wanted to put him in with the Harbinger or Kreoss.

>>47961599
4chan's pretty big into warhammer, and warmahordes and other games don't get a lot of attention among tg goers

>>47961599
Yup because there's actual competitions in the market now

>>47961620

That much is obvious, but I expected a little more.

>>47961647

Literally who?

>>47961620
Well at the moment Kreoss 2 doesn't have a tier list to pigeon hole him into one type of style. So he benefits pretty well from the feat.

Kreoss 1 would like cause his basic control game is so solid with purification, lamentation, and defenders ward.

Good with harbinger still too cause of crusaders call and guided hand.

>>47961728

What about Kreoss 3?

>>47961769
would actually work alright cause assail and ignite both work on just any jack not battlegroup.

>>47961724
they got their own forums and other places to post and discuss the game. one of the main reasons why 40k is so popular here, aside that its the biggest game, is because gw doesn't have an official forum for discussion. you really shouldn't take how much it get posts about on 4chan as an indicator of popularity.

>>47961849

ew but I don't want to post on official forums or Reddit.

>>47961724
Why is the reply in spoilers?

>>47961935
then just stick the generals here. not saying you gotta post there, just that it's why this thread only has 23 posters.

>>47961966

Because ignorance and replying with a meme.

But no really I don't know what other group could be giving them competitor, aren't PP firmly second in the pecking order after GW?

>>47961981
It's ffg with x wing.

>>47961981
Yeah. Maybe Malifaux, if we want to count Europe then maybe Infinity. Both games have a strong following. I think Malifaux can get big because Steampunk and everyone loves that. I think they need to take the competitive aspect of the game more seriously.

Infinity's only real problems are the complexity of the rules, which turn off shitters, and that its made by Spanish socialists.

Anyone happen to have the Vessel of Judgement and a Cyclops shaman? I'm wondering if the strongman's upper body is comparable in size.

Is this 50pt list decent? It's all I have left over from mk2. If not, what should stay and what should be swapped?

Kreoss1
Vanquisher
Reckoner
Redeemer
Guardian
Max choir
Sunburst artillery
Knights exemplar

>>47962065

Right, right, so GW > FFG >>> PP >>>> Everyone Else.

>>47962128

I've always wanted to get into Infinity because of the models, but the rules, their translations, their community approach, everything felt so alienating at times.

>>47962864
>tfw I've gone to ten different stores in norcal and none of them have active GW communities anymore

>>47962912

That sounds like me. I've been to at least eight different stores in western WA and their GW communities might as well be dead. Even the people that regular GW stores don't even play, they just sit around painting and talking or griping about the games.

>>47956756

>Not playing Stryker2 to kill beasts in two swings

nice try skorne player, im sure that angel was real scared of your PS14

>>47963030
I think it's become more of a hobby thing and less of a gaming thing.

>>47959359

1 - yes

2 - yes, but not the chain gun.

3 - stormclads, avengers, chargers, its hard to go wrong

but the bigger question is why are you playing Cygnar if you dont like Haley and Stryker. i can get sloan, shes a boring fuck. but Haley is a national treasure and stryker is great, although stryker1 is a boring his other 2 incarnations are great. such as being the best face beater in the entire game

without them you're left with what, Caines, Darius, Sturgis, Siege and Maddox? except for the caines, yuck.

>>47963317

Exemplars* not vengers

>>47963302
And the best dude in cygnar; the big man Nemo.

Nemo3 is super legit as he can fully load a jack for an investment of one focus per jack and with reinholt can clear entire units of infantry by himself.

>>47963509

Good point, can't forget grandpa lightning. Nemo1 and 3 are legit and 2 is pretty decent.

>>47961728
>>47958182

Do we have theme lists then?

>>47963587
no, but we know theyre coming. if the leak for the flameguard theme is at all accurate, then odds are good the exemplar theme is going to look a lot like kreoss2's mk2 theme

>>47963710

Thanks, anon. Can I get a link to said leaked theme? I'm a blind retard and if it's in the OP's list of links I can't see it.

>>47963778
it wont be in there, there wasnt a card or anything. there might have been a picture, but i havent found it in the archive yet.

best i can find is the description, http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47749121/#47749582.

entirely possible its just a made-up fake, but i at least think it looks fairly plausible

>>47962884
The translations are fine. Community seems fine also and they have good support for the competitive scene. The rules though, the trick really is to just dive into them fully. Look up shit later if it's not clear. We had a small scene start up but a lot of more casual and shitter players bailed on it cause they kept trying to kiddie pool it; small point games, no scenario, fear any advance rules.

The other issue i have with them is they just pick random models to make models. Granted theyre lax on proxy rules but with the games growth, the WYSIWYG-fags from 40k are starting to muddy the waters.

>>47964188

I may try it in the future if the community here materializes, for now though I'm trying to get back into Warmachine after a few years stint with WHFB and 40k.

I admit I mostly came back to Mk 3, though AoS and my 40k army getting shafted have been encouragement enough to switch..

What are some absolute Must Have models for Cygnar and Cryx?

>>47962864
Actually I think PP > FFG, however because PP splits warmachine and hordes instead of having it as one game (like it is) it brings down their total number

>>47963030
I think Endgame in oakland and Great Escape Games in sac have large GW communities

>>47965189
How are they different games? Its more like a mechanic than a different game.

>>47964855
I cant speak for cygnar but for cryx, non-warcasters, you cant go wrong with bane knights, satyxis blood witches and nyss hunters.

For jacks arc node lights are all fine, deathjack and nightmare are very potent and I would recomend grabbing a few inflictor/seether kits and magnitizing them when they come out.

For solos darragh wraith is probably the best single piece in the army. Bane lord tartarous is needed if you are running banes. Skarloc and the withershadow combine are good for casters with ghost walk, telekenisis or lots of upkeeps.

Finally ragman, saxon orrik and gorman are all very good mercinary solos to consider with special mentions to Wrong Eye and Snapjaw-essential for building your own fort kickass.

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>>47955394
>conflictchamber.com

>I can save lists

....and just like that Forward Kommander is deleted from my favorites. Thanks anon, top work!

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>>47965321
because it's sold as a separate game

Is there an army builder updated to Mk 3 yet?

>>47965790
very first fucking link at the flipplin' first post friendo.

>>47965589
I... I think you're fucking retarded.

>>47965981
He isn't too far off base.

PP is pretty arbitrary in this regard. They market, brand and sell them as two separate games... because reasons.

I guess it's easier on them? It does mean they release two different rulebooks, when it would probably be more cost-effective to just have one book with everything in it.

But, I don't know. They sell them separately because they want to. Whatever.

>>47965981
They are sold as two separate games and are separate games for the purposes of reporting sales and market share (which this entire conversation is about).

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Babby's first Menoth list. Mostly using models I like.

>>47965981
Try going to their home page. It's under two different sections.

>>47966016
I think it was a marketing gimmick that they just stuck with. Two systems being cross compatible was not done before (not sure if still done) and anything that generates simple questions for the game is publicity.

>>47965321
I've seen a few consumer reports that split them up into seperate games, wich messes with the popularity rankings. I know they're the same game

Hey wmg, do trenchers work well with Maddox at all? I really wanna get them and her, but they don't really benefit from her feat or armor buff at all. I can't remember what else she has going for her, so any help would be appreciated

Are the new decks out yet? Dunno if I should head to LGS and see.

>>47966937
>but they don't really benefit from her feat
Have you never been on the receiving end of IFP? pow 14s hurt plenty

>>47966937
they work fine.

maddox offers them snipe, they offer her a powerful defensive tech and hit decently hard under her feat

>>47966073

Since you've only got 2 Warjacks you really don't need the max Choir, you might consider going with minimum and then taking a couple of Mechaniks.

>>47966993

You can get them on the phone app, and there's also the leaked ones online, but no physical ones yet. Not sure when those are supposed to come out.
No new faction books or theme lists yet either.

>>47966993
Wednesday. Do you not have war room?

>>47967315
Warroom is an idiotic software

I've been running a game of Iron kingdoms for a few weeks now, more or less improv every week.
Besides the Monsternomicon where else would I found monsters and bits to work with?

The party is almost entirely ranged, but they've been blasting the shit out of hollowed and shaft wights which I imagine has gotten dull.
and the alchemist one two punched what I thought was a decent ambush fight because someone made a good detection roll.

I need help with enemies I think.

>>47968251
NQ has some data on monsters and NPCs that you might find useful.

>>47968285
They're in those issues aren't they

Which Khador Models/Units got shafted and which ones came out good? I was pretty against Mk3 but Khador seems to have faired pretty well, might start up again

>>47968461
Winterguard got shafted but riflecorp are amazing now.
fieldgun became good.
Spriggan has become worse since Torch stole his job as anti stealth utility jack

>>47968566

whats so good about riflecorps now? they seem the same to me

>>47968461
Vlad.

>>47968691
Rocketeer's as Weapon Attachments, and they picked up CRA

Has anyone been able to find the new MkIII cards somewhere?

>>47968757
You mean, besides war room?

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>>47962248
Reasonably comparable? Maybe a smidge smaller? I just bought one to make an Amon conversion and it barely fits on the small base.

>>47968764
Exactly.
Bought War room mk2 back in the days and deeply regretted it, such a shitty app..
Not gonna repeat that mistake.

>>47968805
Wait three days.

>>47968144
This one works a helluva lot better than the last one

>>47964855

trenchers with UA. Stormlances. Arlan Strangewayes. Haley1, Haley2, Haley3 with her grandma and DILF versions

>>47968857
>First update to war room! It's not going to be insanely huge anymore, guys!

It does work a lot better, but stuff still boggles. Why the fuck is it written in Unity, for example?

>>47968893
Probably because that is what Tinkerhouse happened to have experience with.

>>47968916
Sure, but c'mon, Unity is not fucking meant for the kind of shit that War room is.

Their initial install of War Room 2 was 1.4gigs. That's fucking embarrassing. Fucking Hearlthstone on my tablet is 1.5.

If their programmers only have experience with a single coding program, they really need to do some fucking work. There are numerous better choices that they could have picked, and it's not like War Room is an ambitious production in terms of what it does.

>>47968945
Well yeah. That's why I'll switch back to WHAC once it updates.

>>47968144
I guess. Its nice for stinker tinkers and marking damage mid game tho

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>>47968893
wait, they STILL stuck to fucking unity?

WHAT THE FUCK.

That's like using Unreal for a calculator app. WHAT THE FUCK

>>47968380
http://ikrpg.info/

Tells you where anything and everything is.

>>47969401
I guess I can't say for 100% sure they did.

But I think the initial file size of War Room speaks for itself, I think.

The best part is as far as I can tell, their wrote their own PDF reader for the rulebook, and by god did they do a shitty job of it.

>tfw all you do is hope the errata will make kriel warriors and EBDT playable

Anyone happen to have card lists for the (physical) 2016 faction decks? Can't seem to find them anywhere...

>>47969640
How many times is this question going to be fucking asked. It gets answered 20 times a day read the thread

>>47969915
Did read. Don't see it anywhere.
Are you going to be helpful, or are you going to shitpost again?

anyone have suggestion for best proxy/stand-in for a one, major harrison gibbs?

or when these new models might even come into existence?

i've seen a couple of release schedules and a lot of new stuff is absent....
PP please

>>47969915
Or maybe you're a complete and utter fuckup and did not bother to read my question past seeing it includes the phrase "faction decks"?

>>47970165
so you're asking a question about the physical faction decks?
which become available to the general public in the not so distant, yet still notably, future?

>>47970209
Not >>47970165
But you need to chill man.

>>47970165
If Warroom is any indication then the faction decks will include partisan mercs/minions, but not the rest. The full listing hasn't been leaked or revealed yet though

>>47970149
he loves shitposting. In fact sometimes he'll come back and samefag comments to make it appear like he isn't alone.

So mk3 about to release fully, and I would love to get into this game. I'm not a competitive gamer by any stretch, I prefer lots of story and campaigns and stuff. Everyone I've seen local takes the game very seriously though, with lots of tournaments and 'git gud' thrown around.

Can I get into this game and have fun casually, or am I doomed to lose every until I give up on the game?

How were banes nerfed?

>>47970956

There are more casual army choices and AFAIK new books usually include campaign scenarios that match the ongoing storyline.

I am however going to tell you to 'git gud' and to not be a pussy about losing. Failing is how you learn and become the 'got gud'. Preferably you do this with people who are fun to play against and that is entirely on you to find. A game cannot dictate the personalities will be interacting with. My own anecdotal evidence suggests that you can play with competitive players who are still fun to be around and play against.

>>47970958
Lost stealth. Also, banes raised by goreshade tartarus or whatever can't attack the turn they are put into play.

>>47970958
Knights lost Weaponmaster, picked up Brutal Charge. Have roughly the same average damage on the charge(but less chance of spikes), but their vengeance bite took a hit.

Warriors(Thralls) lost Stealth and Tough, picked up Ghostly, same as Knights. Picked up 1" of reach.

Curse no longer gives +2" of movement, only a hit buff.

>>47971378

Okay so they're still good but not as big of a pain to kill or doing retard amounts of damage by themselves anymore?

What is the standard Army size in Mk III?

>>47971479

75pts

>>47971402
They still die in droves and do the same amount of damage. They are now even slower.

>>47970209
Yes. Exactly. Because my FLGS will not stock them, so I need to pre-order from an online retailer. And I want to know which one(s) to get. Is that so unreasonable?

>>47970602
Thank you for actually being helpful and providing information.

>>47971853
not unreasonable at all.
i'm in a very similar situation.

pity about your local!

sucks we gotta buy them all.
if only they had commissioned conflictchamber.com-anon and we had a viable electronic alternative to physicals.
warroom2 might be better than the original but it is still god-awful
go-go-gadget whac

>>47970956
You are better served with other games.

The people that spout GitGud almost never play the campaign and storyline leagues.

They will show up for two weeks and then commence to complain about how imbalanced the scenarios are and refuse to show the remainder of the league.

If narrative and goofy scenarios is what you are hungering for, WMH is a barren ghost town when it comes to find players.

GitGud or GoHome.™

I've had some moderate luck in my area, but at the end if the day you are probably going to be playing against whatever the most broken shit in the game is at the time and will be expected to do the same.
This makes it more difficult to paint a narrative since your army never changes and your opponent's army tends to repeat a lot.
This also makes it so the armies/lists you may want to play are at a super disadvantage, but no one really knows that for sure until the game gets tested out more
It was pure suffering in MKII...it's not looking pretty in MKIII, but I remain hopeful

>>47970956
There's loads of stuff that PP puts out for more casual play. It's just a matter of whether or not people around you are interested in it.

>>47972027

I don't see how this is any different from all the people I've met playing Warhammer or other war games.

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Alright lads, I want to set shit on fire and use cathedralbot but I'm not too sure what I'm doing with the rest of the army. Any tips?

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So how does this look like for entry into MK3?
Always loved Harkevich and I think he might have some game now

>>47972228

Are people even going to play 50 points? Anyway looks decent, I'm on the fence about Marauders but I have not seen their Mk3 change yet so take that with a pinch of salt.

Looks like this can put in some work and you shouldn't really need to worry too much about getting jammed at that point value.

Is this gay? Am I gay?

Cryx Army - 48 / 50 (+26) points

(Asphyxious 2) Lich Lord Asphyxious [+26]
- Skarlock Thrall [4]
- Cankerworm [9]
- Deathripper [6]
- Deathripper [6]
- Nightwretch [7]
Bane Knights (max) [17]
Bane Knights (max) [17]
Bane Lord Tartarus [8]

>>47972288
People apparntly want to try the new rules around here so we start lowish.
I don't really mind I can use the practice.
About the marauder yes he is as an experiment. Basicaly a 10 point Khador heavy that can use his combosmite regardless of being crippled and requiring nothing for Harkevitch to function.

>>47972374
Yes. Gaspy2 may have been my favorite caster in mk2, one of my favorite modles and my favorite lore character, but I will probably never put him on the table in his current state.

That said, your list is too small the new points level is 75, so you have room for some blood witches and maybe darragh wraith

>>47972692

Gaspy2 was nerfed how badly?

>>47972865
Besides his feat going overboard, and even then only by a bit, his nerfs were all deserved.

>>47972929

Who is the hot shit for Cryx now?

Can Raluk use lael, privateer or rhulic jacks?

>>47973116
>the hot shit
>Cryx
pick one

>>47973140
I'm guessing he can use Mercenary warjacks that aren't Rhulic.

>A Mercenary Rhulic warjack can be controlled only by a Mercenary Rhulic warcaster or a Mercenary Rhulic ’jack marshal.

>>47973164

Proof?

>>47969583
kriels are okay.

theyre arm 17 bullet eateres.

>Played another Mk3 as Skorne
>Played Makeda1 again
>She just say in the middle of the field and cast Carnage while my 22ARM Cetrati and my Nihilators tore everything to pieces

>>47963302
>>47963509

I like Nemo, Nemo's awesome, but Stryker, I'unno, whenever I look at pretty much any incantation of his model it just makes me not want to play him, no matter how good he may be, his hair bothers me, as silly as that may seem. Ehaley's alright though.

and I like cygnar because they're shooty and have the coolest units and second coolest jacks (can't beat cryx chickens ;P)

Thanks for telling me that chain gun's not worth it, I'll keep that in mind!

>>47972929
>>47972865
He does nothing and has no feat. Had he kept 'return 10 modles' or d3+6 then I would consider him very viable.

Loss of cloud wall is a bummer, since like other factions got to keep theirs.

Also speed5 is really just a kick in the cooter, like fucking why?

>>47973116
In no particular order
The good-er tier
denny1, skarre1, denny3, venethrax, scaverous, goreshade3

The good tier
Skarre2, gaspy1 and gaspy3

Not not bad tier
terminus, morty, agathea

Special snowflake tier
Coven, mortenabra, eWho, also denny2

Fucking gorbage tier
lich2, denny2

I cannot comment on goreshades 1&2

>>47974741

Did venethrax actually git gud? Shit I may have to buy his model if that is true!

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>>47974887
Yes, he gives his jacks counter charge and gained Terminal Velocity. Additionally he has a reason to cast Lamentation now. This is the list I've been tinkering with for him

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So how exactly does this work? I get 2 beasts but only 1 spiral?

>>47975601
you get to beasts for 7 points and each beast has that spiral

>>47975601
I think there should be separate card for each. It's just that you have to buy them in pair.
I have to wonder if making them 3 pts each would really be that broken...

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Artillery ready. Hope they are as good as promised.

>>47972692
>the new points level is 75,
75 is new 50
50 is new 35
Depends on your local custom but some places used to play mostly 35 in mk2

So how much do trenchers want their grenade weapon attachments? I can get ten of them real cheap but they won't have any grenade launchers.

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>>47975910

I bought the old Legion of Everblight all in one box a while back and im cracking it out to start playing in MK3, whats the deal with Strider Rangers, do they still exist? Theyre not in the OPs armybuilder link.

Also is this box even going to do me well or do i need to make some immediate purchases?

>>47976365
>whats the deal with Strider Rangers, do they still exist?

They're Strider Scouts now.

>>47976365

They're called Strider Scouts now for some reason to differentiate them from the Blightblades.

As for the box it's not a bad deal for bulk models, but a lot of the choices are niche pics. The Scythean and Angelius will always be pretty decent, the Shepards are great, and the Deathstalker is still a great infantry removal tool. The Bloodseer is sort of niche and lost a lot of usefulness after a lot of our animi were changed to Self range. Neraph is pretty much never worth the points.

Personally I don't see a reason to use Saeryn in MK3. Her feat was pretty bonkers last edition, but her new one is pretty worthless on a faction full of paper beasts. The changes to Blight Bringer and Breath Stealer (can no longer prevent charges) also hurt her too.

For immediate purchases, I'd say a plastic Carnivean chassis kit for magnetizing is always a good choice. A Forsaken is a nice cheap pick for a fury management tool. For new casters I'd say pVayl, eAbsylonia, or pThagrosh are good general casters. Bethayne is great if you run her with Swordsmen and Raptors, though Raptors are really expensive dollar wise.

>>47975555

That is a lot of Inflictors.

>>47976652
Thanks man. Going in blind here and my local club guys talk over my head.

>>47976181
Anyone?

>>47976741

No problem man.

Luckily for the most part Legion plays pretty much the same as usual. eVayl, Saeryn, Harriers, and Zuriel got somewhat kicked in the teeth by the transition, but we can still more or less still run the same beast crazy lists as usual.

>>47974741
>has no feat.

Still does 80% of a colossal's boxes on average rolls. Are you *literally* retarded? I mean, seriously, are you stupid? Are you so bad at this game that you think his his new feat - which easily kills a heavy, and can kill a colossal one third of the time is "no feat"? You're the reason people hate Cryx players.

>>47972228
Get a field gun. Also possibly a kodiak if you can for the blast immune stuff

So is Tyrant Zaadesh playable? Sure he went from 3 to 4 points in Mk3 but what can you do with him beyond fielding a fuck ton of Razor Hounds? Put a bunch of Cyclops Brutes and Savages in his group? I mean, a Savage goes to a MAT8 PS13 weaponmaster in his group and all Cyclops got cheaper so it might not be the end of the world. I might try it out. The problem is he's still only fury 4 so can't reave much back, and if you can't reave it back, it's crazy to do it. You still have to run the HUGE risk of him dying and having beasts sat out in the open going wild.

>>47976749
Im biased since my group has a lot of high arm or ways to give blast immune, but I see them as mainly extra bodies if you really want them rather than the grenades

>>47975555

What would run on Venethrax for someone who does not have any Inflictors and does not like them?

>>47975852
> Black and red Menoth.

Cool.

>>47975852

NMM still looks silly to me on models of this scale but neat. Gold really helps the red and black, I'd like to see it on your other models if you have any painted?

>>47976833
Over an extend period of time you will eventually have an average of 7 models brought back with the feat.

In a individual game the reality is that you have a 16.67% chance to roll any face on 1d6, to bring back anywhere between 4 and 9 modles.

Am I stupid for wanting reliability? I did say in my prievious post that d3+6 would have been acceptable. However I feel that the extreem spread of his current feat is to inconsistant.

To break it down the caster as a whole, changes to the core rules have worked against his effectivness. Some were nessisary like the helldiver and the change to excarnate, some unexpected like the inability to charge frieny modles. Additionally he can no longer protects his units. So when I'm down on attrition because i lost most of my guys on the approach and feat 4 guys back to life its really awsome I killed 1 heavy. Too bad I needed to kill 3.

>>47977650

Don't reply to shitposters, anon. You can't win.

>>47977650
>Am I stupid for wanting reliability?

No, you're stupid for saying he "has no feat".

It's not the ridiculous feat it used to be, but compared to the rest of the game, it's not a bad feat by any stretch of the imagination. Histrionics about Gaspy2 having "no feat" just makes you look stupid.

Anywhere I can get the Mk III cards at besides War Room?

>>47976738
I think they benifit much more from counter-charge than seethers.

>>47977271
well, no one has them. They will not be avaliable untill august. Just out of curiosity why don't you like them? I, personally, think they are the best non character heavy in the faction. They have reach, 13pts, speed 6 and are armor 19 wich means unlike the other slayer-chasies they are ostensibly immune to pow10 shooting. Plus they have shield gaurd, who doesn't like that?

If I haven convinced you, I suppose the harrower *could* be an interesting choice. Its relativly independant and can get a lot of work done.

>>47977844

I dislike the model. Maybe if I repose the arm and swap the head around..

>>47977844

Could be anon doesn't want to buy four Inflictors/Seethers I'm assuming they will come in the same box now?

>>47977907
I mean...t-thats fine too

Yes, its a duel kit.

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I also thought of this. I've also been devating the merits of replacing erebusy & the node with DJ

Anyone have any good mkiii games?

>>47977841

>anywhere I can learn to read threads before asking a question that's been asked and answered more than once already?
FTFY. Wednesday, motherfucker.

>>47980378

Haven't gotten to play yet myself, and finding them on youtube is a bitch.

>>47977844
The "classic" Seethers you can buy now are metal or plastic?

>>47980399
Advanced maneuvers has two but they can be a little spotty with the rules

>>47980474
They are metal

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Is there a place to get the cards from WAR ROOM? I haven't played the game in years and I'd kinda like to know how my factions have done before I sink money into books.

>>47980548
Guerrilla has one, and so does Owen's channel.

>>47969401

Yep, it's fucking Unity dude.

Tinkerhouse is a fucking joke, as is PP in terms of managing a business. Literally kids running a business, like Will S.

90% of the issues Warroom has had would take one fucking week of testing to sort before launch. It's amazing Will S. has a job.

Played my first game of MKIII yesterday against Khador. Lists were:

Thexus
-Wrecker
-Subduer x2
-Warden x2
Benders max x2
Slaver max
Slaver min (ambush)
Overlords
Agitator x2

Sorscha 2
-Beast
-Juggernaut
Field Gun
Winterguard Infantry max+ 3 rockets
Winter Rifles max
Widows + solo
Assault Kommandos min + flamethrower

Played Hold the Line (no one scored). Fucked up my deployment like always by underestimating forests. We were both overly cautious and our heavies didn't do anything except infantry killing in Turn 3. Got most of my shit blown up until I feated and sprayed all over everything with Overlords and Benders. He went for the Cyclone+Boundless+Feat assassination and missed his second swing leaving Thex at half health. TK plus a Subduer was all that was needed after that. Bonus points for the Overlord that got a free strike on Sorscha and did 8 damage.

>>47981491
How do Cephalyx feel now?

>>47981473
to me testing could maybe have helped, and the apparent failings in this are a concern.

but what astonishes me is that they went with the fucktards @tinkerhouse again; after the monstrosity that was the first warroom.

"thanks for your effort, hope you didn't spend all your money in one go, bye now."
NOT
>"well um, can you guys try again? maybe don't make it so shit this time, please. here's more moneys you are not qualified for."

if i paid a hooker to shit on my chest, and she crapped in my earhole. i would not be hiring her again.

why do people keep pushing these "apps"? convenience only wins when functionality is, well, functional.
>hurr durr see how i write my thesis and collate my invaluable scientific data on my ipad. i know technology!
fuck right off

>>47981473
I mean, this is kind of embarrassing for Tinkerhouse, but who hires a game app company to produce this shit?

Their use of Unity is pretty embarrassing, but in some ways, what do you expect? Far as I can tell, their actual gaming programming has been fine, their ports of PC games all have pretty good reviews. And clearly they've figured something out, given their reduction of file size being so drastic.

Like, Tinkerhouse games feels like, if not a good, the least bad choice that PP has made. On some levels it's fucking terrible, but they're the only outside hire that actually seems to be improving on their shit.

I mean, I imagine Tinkerhouse got hired because someone at the PP offices liked one of their games on their iPad, and said they should hire them, and Tinkerhouse had no fucking clue what they were getting into.

And yea, War Room 2 is still pretty bad, but you compare it to base launch WR1, and they've come a long fucking way in terms of what they're doing.

So it's like, half and half. They've made a fucking terrible choice in Unity, but they're also actually improving. I mean, for all the griping, War Room 2 does function, and it has gotten rid of a huge amount of the functionally issues that WR1 had.

>>47981473
Is Shick in charge of Tinkerhouse or War Room?

War Room is embarrassingly bad. Serious amateur hour shit. And they give themselves a reacharound for actually having content hosting this time around so the whole fucking thing doesn't just grind to a halt.

And then there's the whole "using Unity when there's no fucking reason to", and "rolling our own login system when all of the platforms we run on have high-quality built-in authorization that we use anyway for billing" and "oh, sorry the initial download was over a gig, we just thought that was how it worked -- oh, someone told us we could fix it a week after release".

Holy fuck these guys are shit. It's an endless chain of what would be career-ending fuckups if they were actually in the software industry. Had I worked on that flaming abortion, I'd deny any association with it out of embarrassment.

Conflictchamber does the actual list building better. I mean, shit, if I were getting paid and had support from the parent company and some random dude did it better just for shits and giggles I'd consider taking up buckshot taste-testing as a career.

t. an actual software engineer

>>47982111
This is actually the first time I've ever played them so anything I say won't really have a good basis. However, I think it should probably be pretty evident that Tough, in any army, isn't something to rely on. Other than that, it was a pretty fun match barring all my fuck ups.

>>47969449
They didn't write their own, it's a third party component. How do I know? The PDF documentation for it is part of the app for some bloody reason.

>>47982317
>>47982238
>>47982142
It's the Unity that confuses me the most. Like, the root of all of Tinkerhouse's problems comes down to Unity, so why are they using it?

I mean, first WR, alright, maybe they've got a bunch of programmers who had only worked in it, and that was what they put out. But how many years has it been? I know dick about smartphone/tablet development, but there has to be a tool that can't be that hard to use out there, right?

>>47982388
Yeah, given their inability to get WMH cards quite right, I doubt they could get anything near a functional PDF viewer on their own. So they got a third-party component. A horribly shitty third-party component.

>>47982238

Speaking of, how is Warmachine Tactics? I was told they've been slowly patching it into a decent state.

>>47982388
It it like, meant for tablet use?

Because it's hands down the worst part of the app. Everything else functions more or less as it should, and I haven't seen any slowdown in any of it, but the reader just fucking dies constantly.

I've just put the damn rules PDF on my phone, look it up in the app, and then switch over it's that fucking bad.

>>47982436
But PDF viewing is native to both iOS and Android development. It's, like, a drag and click in X-code.

>>47982445
It's heard, but can't vouch, that the game actually plays now, though it's still not anything special.

There's too many games I'm actually interested in playing right now to bother trying to figure out how it's come along.

>>47982445
The core game itself is flawed. Making a turn based tactics game that can't decide whether it wants to be a free roaming or gridbased is fucking stupid. No amount of patching will make the game even remotely good.

>>47982436
No argument here! It sucks donkey balls, and the PDF viewer is also the number one reason for War Room crashes on my iPad.

>>47982436
Yeah, but what about in a piece of shit Unity app? XD

>>47982427
Realistically, the annoyance is that cross-platform development for phones/tablets still kinda sucks, and for the most part at best you have your core logic somewhat portable and then rewrite a bunch of your UI to fit in the iOS or Android environment.

This probably contributes to why they're using Unity, because you can use it to develop one app for both platforms.

But for all the problems with it (and with the "oh, we *can* make the iOS install smaller", it's obvious they don't really know Unity all that well), it should be fucking obvious it's a terrible decision, especially because the core function of the app -- just fucking displaying cards -- is something that's going to be pretty easy to write in a relatively cross-platform way (at the least, they way they're doing it -- loading in image and text assets, and then placing them on-screen to generate the proper card), so you have a couple of guys who write the card engine, and then an iOS guy and an Android guy to write the stuff that interacts with those OSes. Instead they seem to have people who aren't really that good with Unity going through the motions.

It's just nothing but amateur-hour horseshit over and over again.

>>47982474
Yeah, but what about in a piece of shit Unity app? XD
(I failed copy and paste class three times!)

>>47982474
There's a general theme of "Tinkerhouse has no fucking idea what they're doing" going around here. I haven't done it in iOS, but it's really easy to do the right way in Android, too.

But, hell, it begs the next question -- why aren't there rules available in html so you don't *have* to use a clunkier (compared to a browser) PDF viewer to actually read the rules?

The whole digital side of things is horeshit from top to bottom.

>>47982317
>I'd consider taking up buckshot taste-testing as a career

Solid gold Anon, I fucking kek'd heartily.

I work in healthcare software and yes, the launch/testing of War Room has been a utter disaster since day/version 1.

Shick is head of business development and worked directly with Tinkerhouse. And I say 'work' loosely here because when the fucking DEVELOPER of a software company makes a post on the official forums of PP stating (paraphrasing here): "Sorry but software has bugs, oh and PP is in charge of content (The XML tables I presume?) so they're working their asses off on fixing stuff".....it's fucking cringe worthy.

Pick a faction and assign a guy to it. Tell that guy to lock himself in his office for an entire day and check every unit against a physical card in his fucking hand. This should take less than a morning to note bugs/errors.

Next day, fix errors. Repeat process. Over 3 days/mornings, you should have them fixed. Same with Theme forces....

Just fucking laughable it still launches like this.

>>47982675
My bet is to avoid the issue with how the reference in WR1 was often worded weird, or said the wrong shit.

Like, the PDF reference is, in theory, sound because it gives you the exact rules text when players often fucking want the exact rules text, instead of just a reference that was sometimes wrong or left shit out.

I'm all for just a text doc of the rules as well, but I feel like they were trying to dodge a bullet and stepped on a landmine instead.

>>47982679
Hey, the day 1 bugs on WR2 were hilarious, and likely the most fun I've had with the app.

The four armed Gallant, Skorne's new caster having Mord's spell list and feat, their new artillery solo having Mord's spell list, there was some amazing shit in there.

I'm curious if the release got rushed though. Like, MK3 has some hallmarks of a rush job, and I wonder if WR2 got caught in that crossfire.

>>47982371
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Tough as a mechanic.

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>>47982765

Yep, incompetence is pretty funny :).

It's also been years and they still have issues with font types

R%k = Sorry how do we convert that Irish O again?

This model immediately makes an attack?

Question marks littered everywhere.


Several cards images simply wouldn't appear, even with a reload of data. Which tells me they literally didn't even fucking open those cards before launching.

Just shockingly incompetent.

>>47983523
Based on Mk3, neither is PP.

>>47983603
I don't know what you're XICONX about.

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>>47983711

>>47974741

why is denny2 considered bad, she seems like she has a very powerful spell list, even if her feat is garbage

but then again i play skorne and the worst of cryx still seem like S tier compared to skorne warlocks

>>47983609
Between the Tough nerf and all the d3's and shit going around it seems to me kind of like PP couldn't figure out whether they wanted luck to be a deciding factor to the game beyond attack and damage rolls or not.

>>47984002
I mean, in all fairness, the way it looks now is that there's anti tough tech to be had, but you do need to bring it. So I think tough will still be a thing, but you won't see a dude tough his way to victory anymore.

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>>47977624
I have some minis i painted with NMM and others with normal gold paint. Big open areas are in my opinion best suited.

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>>47984525

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>>47984537
Here is a mix whit NMM and some Metal colors.

>>47984525
you need better blends

Tell me lies about CoC so I can feel better about myself.

>>47984871
>you're getting all the new releases!

>>47984871
CoC is a whole faction.

>>47984871
Better about what?

CoC is doing very well this edition, I just don't think people realize it yet.

>>47985329

i think this is the best lie so far :)

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>>47985485
Seriously though, what's to complain?

They got even more efficient at focus, they still retained the repairable 8 wound infantry with recursion no less.

Faction was in a good position then and it maintained it.

>>47985570
And CoC got buffs almost entirely across the board, with only Lucant getting worse and Reductors getting more expensive.

Like, the loss of Sustained Attack is annoying, but their new gunline stuff is pretty crazy.

Too bad the Conflux is so bad.

>>47983901
P much because she has no feat. Her spell list is still great, tho she lost ghost walk wich is a bit of a gripe.

Regarding her feat, im just not sure what its function is. One hit usually kills single wound models, warnouns can all shake shadowbind, the def debuff will really only help v a warpwolf or a legion flying beast, so that leaves heavy infantry and calv.

I have very little personal exp with her tho, so its possible I am missing something. She seems needlessly complicated in a not fun way

>>47981473
Testing wouldn't really have helped. The problems are with the engine and you can't really throw that out at the testing stage. No, PP either hired an extremely wrong person for the job or laid out their requirements in a very unclear way. Whichever it is, the error was made in the first week of the project.

>>47982142
>but what astonishes me is that they went with the fucktards @tinkerhouse again; after the monstrosity that was the first warroom.
I see you are falling for the PP marketing. Warroom "2" is not a new appplication. It is the original Warroom with some bugfixes and a fresh coat of paint.

>>47982317
>amateur hour shit
I object. Conflictchamber, WHAC, TroopCreator were made by amateurs. And they work flawlessly.

>>47986098
i had noticed a similarity.

but these are the names they have given them.

and this fresh coat of paint makes the thing run slower. which is odd, but not surprising.
>warroom2
>warroom-ever-so-slightly-less-shit-edition
i can see why they called it what they did. honesty sometimes cuts a little deep.
PP should have taken the hard L from the first iteration, told tinkerhouse to fuck right off and then found some folks who are capable - and wait until the right people have made the right product before making even a squeek about its existence. followed by even more ACTUAL testing, not just being satisfied the thing doesn't straight up start fires.

Wild Adventure when? There is a conjoined twin Croak career in that.

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I've been trying to learn Vyros1 as my first caster, and I'm debating sticking with mixed ranged/melee arms or trying out ARM skew with Discordia and friends.
In the meantime, how does this look for a majority Cygnar/Cryx playerbase?

>>47986535
You need shooting to eliminate enemy screen so that you can charge something meaningfull, otherwise you just struck yourself on enemy first line.

One unit of Storfall is simply not enough. I would pull out Halbardier and Stormfall to use a unit of Invicotrs or Nyss Hunter.

>>47982679
I can't wait for theme forces to release so I can watch everything crash and burn again just as they get it working properly.

>>47972228
haven't used the marauder yet but I can safely say running harkevich with black ivan and three destroyers is pure hilarity.

I don't feel confident in using any Skorne warlock at the moment except Makeda1. I tried Hexeris2 proxied in a game but it was so underwhelming that I don't think there's any point trying again. Of the other warlocks I have, Morghoul1 now can't rip infantry to ribbons because he lost Overtake and Abuse still feels kinda meh. Naaresh doesn't seem THAT bad since +3DEF to shooting and magic is quite relevant on Nihilators you're trying to deliver to face, though I'm still wary of trying to use him in any kind of assassination capacity. Mordikaar just feels weak. Like damn son support your fucking INFANTRY and stop summoning spirits to rim your asshole.

Perhaps there's some combination of Morghoul1 + Zaadesh + Cyclops that can be good since Abuse and feat don't suffer from beasts being in Zaadesh's group. I could try just a fuck ton of Brutes since they're 21ARM with an Agonizer floating around. Just have 17PS + 13PS 8MAT 21ARM 2"RNG weaponmaster Cyclops driving down one flank while Nihilators or something clog up the other.

>>47988088

That's because skorne is shit anon. Enjoy getting gunlined to death unless you take a terrible warlock (Mak1) and if you do, enjoy getting beaten by mediocre lists...

>>47985654
Attunment servitors also got nerfed. Aoe is down to 3" from 4".

CoCs still really good though.

>>47988286

Is Skorne that bad really in Mark 3? I haven't purchased their deck yet.

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Ok fluff nutters---tell me what factions would look good on a desert board?

I just made a baller desert board for Malifaux and was thinking about getting a small Rumble force for Warmachine to play on it. I know Skorne/Menoth--but neither of those really attract me. Any others?

>>47989253
No one is going to play rumble because "muh muh control caster".

However desert themed Menoth and Skorne are always pretty.

>>47989419
It just sounds very unappealing.

>>47989253
I think Thornfall (Minions Pigs) could look good. They already look like Madmax/Junker types with all their salvaged hodgepodge mechanika. A bit of paintjob could make it even nicer and they can take Efarrit Scouts who are desert nomads.

Guess you could paint any Warmachine faction with desert themed/gritty colors. Khador would be weird because of all the fur, certain models for Troll or Circle line would be okay but overall those factions don't really fit desert imo.

Quick, give some fluff ideas for a new caster or lock.

>>47989419
>>47989629

I think it sounds fun and would make for quick games.

Guess Menoth it is...

Control casters would be that bad on that eh?

>>47989984
Mostly because of the lower point sizes and harder to screen casters.

Provide me with suggestions to fill out my Cryx army with something to give me some variety. Implying Cryx mk3 variety

What I've got:
Denny1
Gaspy1
Deathjack
Cankerworm
Slayer
Deathripper x2
Nightwretch x2
Defiler
Bane Knights
Bane Warriors + UA
Mechanithralls
Necrosurgeon
Bane Lord Tartarus
Pistol Wraith x2

Thinking about building a Satyxis List.

>>47989124
I really don't get it.
How is it even possible?
>3 years of playtesting?
>rules have bits missing but not much has been updated (power attacks and cavalry are still clusterfuck tier)
>there is already for several models for even the most obvious things.
>they didn't plan to have enough products for sale on launch??

WTF is PP doing? They usually do much better than this.
I'm sorry Jason Soles, but this "new" edition is very poor.

>>47989781

A Menite warcaster who is actually a Cygnaran traitor and former Morrowan who's 'seen the light'. Smuggled some Cygnar tech over to their side to cement their standing with the Protectorate but still an outsider and largely untrusted by much of the upper echelons. Severius is probably using them as a cat's paw against Feora, or vice verse.

Mechanically, idk what would fit, but probably a high mobility/good ranged weapon caster with tricky bullshit that's currently lacking in the Protectorate line-up.

>>47990116

Satyxis of all varieties, Inflictors/Seethers, Leviathan might seen some decent play with the ROF changes.

I'd give those a try.

>>47957022
When Beth returns to the table in the Maintenance Phase, she comes back with whatever damage was on her before.

So how do you field Tristan Durant? My guess was to give him a Vigilant and have them sit on a point in B2B. I'm not really sure what else I can do with him.

>>47990176

Yeah, you can tell DC isn't full time anymore. Soles really fucked this up compared to how Mk 2 was handled.

I think every Insider he did was inaccurate as well. I wonder how much Mk 2 he actually payed

/Queue picture of Soles playing a game of Warmachine inside with a black long sleeved trenchcoat on. I know someone has it.

>>47989781

I still wanna see a Blighted Khadoran warcaster in Legion one of these days.

>>47990386
Redeemers, son. He can fully fuel two

>>47990971

Oh shit you're right.

Welp time to set up Fire Team Durant.

Is there a torrent anywhere for the Iron Kingdoms RPG stuff? I don't want to drop cash on it until I've at least read the rules..

>>47990763


Blighted old witch

>>47990763
>>47991099

You can't just corrupt everything anon, this isn't WarCraft.

>>47989124
Yea, I always forget that, but that was less of a nerf and more of a "This was stupid good and needed to be changed."

>>47990333
I cant think of a time where I would want an leviathan ever with d3 rof, its just too expensive at 16 points

>>47990116
i recomend blood witches over raiders for most nonlich3/ denny2 builds

>>47990763
You'll see a cryxian Khador caster before a Blighted one. Everblight tends to stick to mind-fucking snow elves.

>>47991692
And occasionally Snogres.

>>47990280
>A Menite warcaster who is actually a Cygnaran traitor

Aren't all PoM Warcasters, by definition, "Cygnaran Traitors"? There's a reason it's called the "Protectorate"... it's a cygnaran colony that rebelled, and as far as Cygnar's concerned it still belongs to them (otherwise they'd stop calling it that).

This just in: charges against knock down models always fail.

Fuck you for trying to deal with high DEF targets by knocking them down.

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>>47992444
Link?

>>47992507
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?254924-Charging-Stationary-Knocked-down-Models

The gist of it is: Knocked down models can never be engaged.

A successful charge requires you to engage the enemy model at the end of your movement.

>>47992399
Heavy Durst-like Deliverer Warcaster who has a gothic rocket-organ on his steampowered back. He does a Bangai-O like pose were he recks his head into the heaven, clenched fist and ankled arms. Feat: you gain full focus and for every foc you can shoot a highly unaccurate 3aoe in every direction. It can only hit enemy models and does boostable pow 14. sounds good?

>>47992549
>>47992444
>>47992507

lol jfc

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>>47992444
>>47992549
Fucking really PP? What the hell? Charging is such a god damned huge part of the game. How can you fuck up such a basic interaction with core rules?

>>47992549
Wouldnt this make the game unplayable?

>>47992622

Sounds like good fun to me!

>>47991692

I went with Khador since the Legion is closer to the geographically.

Really I'd be down for any sort of blighted human warlock, but I remember in some piece of fluff there's a Blighted Khadoran lady with a scarred up face that I liked.

>>47992679
Oh, it's going to get changed. There's no way it's staying this way.

But, you know, playtested for years and all of that.

>>47992754
That seems more like a proof reading error. Still inexcusable.

I doubt they playtested knockdown no charge, since you can slam a knocked down pieces

>>47990383
>returns to the table
What? The Legion player I know just melds and then Beth sits in there forever.

Skorne Army - 75 / 75 (+30) points

(Morghoul 1) Master Tormentor Morghoul [+30]
- Agonizer [7]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
Tyrant Zaadesh [4]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Agonizer [7]
Cataphract Cetrati (max) [20]
- Tyrant Vorkesh [6]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Feralgeist [2]

Rate just how DANK this fucking list is holy shit. One flank has 22ARM Cetrati, the other flank has 21ARM Cyclops with 8MAT and weaponmaster on their spear AND shield.

>>47992949

so what happens when someone casts spells at Zaadesh? 5 boxes means he has to transfer every hit and hes going to be at a max of 3 fury, that isnt that hard to scalpel, and then you lose the game

>>47993141
The Bellows Crew are basically going to be following Zaadesh around screening him. But yeah only being 13/15 feels like PP just didn't want people to play him.

>>47992754

But how they change it matters.

If they change it so "engaged" means if you are engaging it, you are 'engaged' that has several bad implications.

IE you cannot stand next to a knocked down model and shoot a gun.

>>47992949
>laughing_blast_damage.jpg

Armor 15 is going to get ganked by even moderate blast damage (since it's not being hit 'directly'), especially if it's boostable. If he keeps beasts close enough to Sacrificial Pawn, he puts himself in very dangerous territory for AOEs.

>>47993586
I don't think I'll ever use that list for that reason. Sure I could bring a Krea but at this point I'm bringing like 11 points of support for him and I don't think Tag Teamed Brutes can compensate that. Maybe just #YOLO it and bring a Drake too so the Krea can be rolling 12+5d6 on the charge.

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>>47992754
>playtested for years

It's a fucking joke. Go to the Rules forum and just laugh. Stupid shit like "Yeah Sturgis has to hit himself with his own blade until it gets an errata".

Fucking Games Workshop level rules shit now.

>Coming back to Hordes and Warmachine after a break
>Troll player, read pGrissel's new rules

What. The. Fuck. She's unplayable trash now. Was she that bad in Mark 2 that they did this? Serious question, was she winning a lot of tournaments or something?

>>47989242

They decided they didn't like how skorne lists were making certain model combinations "auto-includes", so they "fixed" that. (By nerfs.) They completely missed addressing what the skorne players were *responding to* with their straitjacketed mk2 list construction.

Hope you like getting your army shot down like a dog, anon. It's going to happen to you *a lot*.

>>47988286
But Makeda1 seems fine against gunlines. My Cetrati have 20ARM, and my Nihilators have 15DEF against shooting. Honestly shooting doesn't worry me this edition.

>>47994060

They thoroughly removed a defense that was used to counter a specific kind of prevalent offense. Which is still there.

>>47994122
Agains single target, average aRat shooting, sure. Even then you're still going to eat shit against a list with deadeye. Small based infantry also has to worry about danger zones like storm of fire and creeping barrage, as well as things like scathers and perforate which bypass the damage and/or hit.

The cetrati brick is still susceptible to pushes and crit devastation, and shadow fire or things like telgesh mark can help dismantle the formation.

Just some stuff to think about. Looking at it I think Makeda3 actually provides the best brick opportunities with her two cheap shield guards, orin, and infantry clearing feat and overtake/grievous wounds upkeep. It cuts down on some of the support bloat and she's not easy to kill, plus the cetrati brick with taskmaster operates basically independently, excepting a Xerxis1 list.

Former Legion player looking to jump into Cygnar. Don't like all their Casters but Stryker (especially 2), Nemo, and Maddox all look cool.

Is Stryker 2 still good? Is that a solid group of casters to get into? Finally is the Cygnar half of the 2 player box decent with the Stormguard unit?

>>47989781
Three farrow warlocks that need to be in perfect conjunction to work, similar to coven.
Spaced just right so a warpwolf can huff and puff all three.

>>47994773

Basically the problem boils down to if they get serious about helping out their RAT in list construction, it doesn't matter one little bit how serious you were about helping out your DEF. You add integers, they add dice.

>>47992754
Did you not know? The last few weeks have been the Mk3 Field Test to find all the problems before launch. You didn't think this was an actual prerelease did you?

>>47992549
If knocked down models can never be engaged in melee, doesn't that make models that can't be shot at while KD invincible? Msgnus1 for instance.

>>47995387
Perhaps Naaresh can be of use against shooting factions then. +3DEF against shooting is about as good as it gets.

So i'll be getting in to warmachine for the first time with a friend and both of us are getting the new battlegroup boxes.I was thinking i'd go with cryx but I'm not sure exactly what i'm getting in the box can someone tell me what they are exactly so I can plan out my army?

>>47993957
whats wrong with her? I don't have the troll cards, so i havent really reviewed them

>>47995529
There is no engaging/engaged requirement for a melee attack.

The only requirement to make a melee attack is to have LOS to the target and to have a melee weapon with enough range.

Charges require the additional layer of 'engaging' the target model for the charge to be 'successful'.

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You guys still hate PGs right? Turns out if you complain enough you can get them banned/fired. Don't even need to get Warmachine players in on it. Grab some Warhammer players and have them blast the PP guy in charge of PGs and they'll get the boot real quick if your LGS doesn't kick them out first.

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>>47995681

Err, what? Story?

>>47995620

Her feat used to be:

Everyone in her control area was affected by all three of her Fell Calls

Now:

She can use all three fell calls (So one unit per fell call or all 3 on one unit).


Massive hit.

Cacophony used to prevent orders and spells. Now just spells and channeling, can still do orders.


They took a massive dump on her, really for no reason.

>>47995789

So like a lot of warcasters/locks?

I wonder how eCaine and the rest of Cygnar made out.. I haven't gotten Warroom yet. Starting to get worried.

>>47995976
Cyngar did pretty well, eCaine got pretty crazy. He lost some threat though, and he super, super doesn't want to get shot, but he's a monster every single turn now, instead of just feat turn.

>>47995789
>Err, what? Story?
We had a PG, I got him banned from the store and fired by getting the warhammer players to all email the quartermaster guy and complain to the store owner. They haven't showed their face since and it's hilarious.

>>47995976

That's hilarious you said "Like a lot of warcasters" then asked about eCaine. He got better. Several casters did.

pMadrak and pGrissel, who were hardly played before (Or not played much) got significantly worse.

Jason Soles is an idiot.

>>47996129
Sounds like you live quite the life if that kind of stuff excites you.

>>47996198
I would argue that in some ways eCaine got nerfed. He most certainly can't get all the extra shots he used to be able to get, and the change to overboosting is super, super bad for him in terms of surviving the enemy. And yea, all those new trick shots are amazing, but Caine often survived by hard camping until he got his assassination vector, so spending focus for all those shots can get him super dead.

>>47993735
Well, this is the problem with doing in-house testing.

You do your testing with people who know the rules really well, and as a result never think about weird interactions because they already know how it has worked and how it *should* work and don't think about it.

Not that the MK2 testing was anything but a shitshow, but this is the type of project you hire technical writers who aren't familiar with the game to go over with a fine-toothed comb to pick out shit like that.

And they haven't even responded to the thread about warbeasts using *Attacks on Frenzy... because the rules as written allow it.