Favorite chapter?

I will always be partial to the BA as they were my first. I like the IF too because sieges. Executioners are my favourite if we're talking about niche chapters, they were absolutely badass during Badab.

Not many chapters that I really dislike honestly.

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>>47943262
Pretty much every chapter without a real specialty likes to think of themselves as the dead 'ardest. I'm talking about people like Flesh Tearers, Carcharodons, Space Wolves, and Black Templars.

But the chapter which truly deserves that distinction, in my mind, are the descendants of Autek Mor himself: the Red Talons.

>>47943382
The iron hands and their descendants in general need more acnowledgement.

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Salamanders. Love those pyromaniacs

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>>47943262
Any love for the minotaurs?

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>>47943947
Team killing fucktards please leave.

Best chapter coming through.

>>47943792
Same
Salamanders are the most bro-tier of all the chapters

>>47944018
So are these guys closet Word Bearers in the same way the Red Scorpions are closet EC?

>>47944018
Give them a greater challenge than another space marines and they wouldn't be killing their brothers. Minotaurs only want a good fight

>>47944195
Minotaurs are Orks confirmed info

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>>47944022
>Salamanders are the most bro-tier of all the chapters

Seeing as how the Lamenters haven't personally slaughtered a planet full of civilian humans I'd say they're more worthy.

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>>47944235
Space Spartans*

>>47944246
True
Lamenters are pretty bro-tier
too bad they're all dead

>>47944246
Yeah but at least the salamanders aren't known as the most unlucky chapter in imperial history

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>>47943262
Best chapter coming through

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Roman leg.... I mean the ultramarines

>>47943262
Salamanders and Soul Drinkers.

God-Emperor tier:
Salamanders
White Scars
Deathwatch
Grey Knights

Very high tier:
Legion of the Damned
Carcharodons
Lamenters
Iron Snakes
Blood Angels
Crimson Fists

High tier:
Raven Guard
Ultramarines
Imperial Fists
Mantis Warriors
Raptors
Exorcists

Mary Sue or Quite Alright tier, depends on writer:
Space Yiffs

Okay tier:
Death Spectres
Black Templars
Celestial Lions
Black Dragons
Doom Eagles
Red Scorpions
Silver Skulls
Novamarines
Howling Griffons

Unintentionally hilarious tier:
Hammers of Dorn
Invaders

Little bitches tier:
Unforgiven chapters

Douchebag tier:
Iron Hands
Dark Angels
Flesh Tearers
Brazen Claws
Blood Ravens
Minotaurs

Heretic tier:
Marines Malevolent
Soul Drinkers
Blood Drinkers

>>47945774
>Grey Knights
>God-Emperor tier

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>>47945801
That is correct, citizen. NONE PURER.

Now get in line for the mind-scrubbing.

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>>47943382
Autek Mor is quite possibly one of the most colossal douchebags on the entire loyalist side. I love him. The Iron Hands in the HH are awesome, the level of callousness almost surpasses the Iron Warriors.

>>47945774
I agree with your placement of Iron Hands in douchebag tier, but I also think they're the best space marines. They really embody the creed of the Astartes.

>"My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred. In the emperor's name, let none survive."

>>47945774
>unintentionally hilarious
how so?

>>47946124
Have you seen their lore?

Practically joke-chapters made by GW.

>>47943262
For now, the Bloody Magpies, but I'm getting a interest in the White Scars and the Salamanders.
>>47945836
Since I'm kind of new, there was such a thing like a Grey Knight kicked of the order, or at least "losing the Grace of the Emperor" for screw up a mission?

>>47946373
i think you mean a dead person

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"Primarch-Progenitor, to your glory and the glory of Him on Earth!"

>>47946373
Nope, because they're incorruptible and pretty much unable to fail at anything.

>>47944316
Nothing like Spartans, Sparta never looked for trouble.

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>all this degenerative geneseed

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>tfw no lamenters wallpaper

just end me

why do people still fall for the "pity the Lamenters" line?
they're written as the pity victims of 40k. Of course they're going to suffer for it. There's nothing notable about such trite writing.

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>>47945774
>Crimson Fists

best dorns

Sure, it helps that they feature in one of the very, very few good BL novels.

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Dark Angels for the fucking win, although I like the Consecrators more for their appearance being closer to Legion standards.

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>>47947742
dont cut yourself on your edgy chapter, da fag

>>47946507
Upvote

>>47947918
People no longer even remember what edge is actually like. The friendly fire incidents with the Dark Angels primarily just involve unimportant civilians or guardsmen, who typically turn out to be corrupted by Chaos in the first place. It's why the Ordo Malleus doesn't actually give a shit about the Dark Angels hunting the Fallen- they know about the Fallen, they just don't care because the First Legion constantly cleaning house often purges heretics that would have otherwise gone unnoticed.

>>47945774
Legion of the Damned aren't a Chapter, and the Lamenters and Salamanders shouldn't be anything above the bottom bracket due to being failures as Space Marines. Also, Ultramarines should always be God-Emperor tier as per canon, they are more or less the best.

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WOLVERINES!

I leik ultrarmariens bcuz they are teh best chapter

>>47947981
Fuck you and your ultramarines. How can you call a chapter that fights unwinnable wars and knowing full well that most will die a failure? Get your head out of dangles arse and think before you post.

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Get ready to get fucking destroyed by mind bullets and immortal zombie space dust idiots.

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"hey, lets make genuinely nice people without any real character defect.....And then make them suffer super hard and die in mass numbers"

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>>47948304 fuck off chaos fag

>>47946858
It would be nice if something good would happen to them for a change. But no, this a Grim Universe.

>>47948221
Because they're mentally retarded? Space Marines are one of the most rare resources of the Imperium. The Lamenters getting killed (and I mean killed, IIRC they lost a whole fucking company) just to save a couple hundred thousand civilians is gross misuse of resources that, should the Captain have survived, get him sanctioned by Chapter Command or the Administratum itself. The nature of warfare in 40k is that humans are expendable, Space Marines are not. Hundreds of thousands of humans, even millions, can easily be replaced in under a year due to the Imperium's birth rates leading to a population measured in quadrillions. If a Space Marine is fighting an unwinnable battle and sacrificing himself, he should be doing so for something that actually matters in the long term. Such as a planet with great strategic importance or a suicide mission to destroy a Necron Tomb World.

The Lamenters and Salamanders are failures because for all "muh feels" they generate, they ultimately are a waste and improperly expending themselves in a non-strategic fashion. Their lives are worth far more than the civilians they save, who probably will die shortly anyway due to being displaced from their homes and being rendered bottom-class civilians on any other planet they seek refuge on. The actions of the Lamenters, Sallies, and all other Chapters like them are in the end, pointless and wasteful. Mankind in 40k faces the literal apocalypse from Chaos, and numerous xenos threats. You do not die to save a single human, you die to buy your species more time until victory is possible.

>>47948305
You know what the symbolism of their "bleeding heart" seal is, right?

>why is 40k being grimdark, this chapter doesn't deserve this?!

>>47945774
Best not be talking shit about muh Invaders.

>>47948731
no shit sherlock

>>47948705
Terrible chain of thought.

The Ultramarines themselves praised the salamanders for saving a hive city on Armageddon against speed freaks.

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partial to the blood magpies myself

>>47948861
>invade craftworld for shits and giggles "because the chapter master though it'd be fun if we did what our name suggests"
>get invaded right back and almost go extinct

tip top kek

fucking failures

>>47948867
why praise the chapter that tries to get shit on then?

>>47948320
The thousand sons are actually just misunderstood loyalists.

>>47948979
im aware, but magnus went full blown chaos retard and his legion followed him.

>>47948921

Personally I can't understand how they haven't killed themselves after the embarassment of learning that a heretic ran their chapter for several centuries.

At least the Dark Angels had the decency of becoming insanely guilty and paranoid about it. Blood Ravens demonstrate zero guilt, like they don't even give a fuck. Truly astartes of traitor stock.

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Don't mind me, best marines coming through

>>47948879
That's easy to do when the Ultramarines weren't doing it themselves. Such acts are pointless and no competent Chapter should engage in them, every Astartes lost in such operations is a crime to the Emperor for waste of good gene seed. The Lamanters especially are just morons so obsessed with their boner for heroics that they fail to see the bigger picture of the galaxy's dire state. Space Marines are not superheroes, they do not exist to save the little guy. They're living weapons made to prosecute the Emperor's will.

>>47949137
>Best Marines
>Got shitstomped by the Dark Angels
>Finally shattered by the Ultramarines
>Konrad Curze even hated his own Legion, wanted nothing to do with them, got himself killed over a hollow cause
>Haven't even been relevant since... ever really
>Literally Edge Marines, the Legion
>Their entire tactics focused on beating up things weaker than them, and running away from anything actually able to fight back
>So pathetic that Marneus Calgar rallied Feudal World Peasants against five full companies of Night Lords and killed all five hundred of them

If that's your definition of best, I don't even want to know what you think is worst.

>>47948927
>invade craftworld for shits and giggles
>win, killing millions, minimum, of Eldar, including super units
>be counterattacked by Alaitoc in full force immediately after
>understrength chapter survives with three companies
>immediately reinforce Novamarines on Skyfall
>then, 62 years later, fight legions of daemons on Jollana with three companies
>win with GK help, 12 marines left
>13 years later have rebuilt enough to lose two Terminator squads trying to teleport into the World Engine
>by 999.M41 they've rebuilt again and are fighting Iyanden and Hive Fleet Leviathan at the same time

Of course, you prefer your chapters to die pointlessly and achieve nothing. See Lamenters.

>>47949089
They mention a great deal of internal purging.

>>47949241
Invaders are pretty fucking bro tier. See, THIS is what a real space marine chapter does. Even if the Lamenters died totally purging the Craftworld, that would mean exchanging a mere 1,000 Space Marines for millions upon millions of Eldar. Within a century or so a new Chapter could probably be created to fill the spot of the Invaders. Meanwhile the Eldar will never be replacing their numbers, and if you destroy the Craftworld Slaanesh destroys all their souls.

>>47949222
I like edge. Stay mad

>>47949358
To play devil's advocate, the Night Lords are the only confirmed CSM who've killed a craftworld.

Mentors, even though they have like 0 fluff, are pretty cool dudes
Wish we could see more of them in the future but they'd probably all go the way of the Lamenters

>>47949492
There's one recent short story with the Mentors, and they're the same as originally described. I think it's called Cadre.

>>47949428
I remember when I was thirteen. Then I grew up.

>>47949567
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/cadre-ebook.html
Well what do you know, might have to pick this up

>>47944457
Best color scheme in the Unforgiven. I hope they get their own supplement.

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>>47945774
>little bitches tier
>the unforgiven

Y-you don't mean that

>>47949632
I see you have a stick jammed up your ass and can't enjoy things for what they are. Never mind, I'm not gonna bother arguing with an old curmudgeon like yourself.

>>47946124
Hammers of Dorn want to out-ultramarine the ultramarines to the point where they adopted the Word Bearers as their greatest enemies simply because they'really the ultramarines greatest enemies

>>47949650
It's enjoyable enough. Most of those stories were.

>the IH have actual AI dreadnoughts

>>47949755
ultra-marinate*

>>47949737
I don't enjoy the Night Lords on account of them being spineless bitches who focus on beating up civilians because whenever they meet something that fights back, they run away.

Come to think of it, the Night Lords behave more like Viking Raiders than the fucking Space Wolves do.

>>47944558
I like the ultras I like the idea of an island of relative sanity and peace in a galaxy full of war. i also think that it makes sense that a chapter with lots of resources and a focus on tactics would be successful. Are they hypocrites? yea totally but that doesn't mean there bad just that they have a character flaw which makes them interesting.

>>47950339
>Are they hypocrites? yea totally
In what regard?

>>47950352
The Ultramarines disbanded Imperial Army assets and Naval assets for Space Marines so they couldn't have their own private armies.

Guess what the Ultramarines have? Their own private army.

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I like the Serrated Suns chapter.

>>47949137
Fucking moron

>>47950386
they also forced the codex on other legions post heresy capping chapters at a thousand to decentralize power within the imperium and then have numerous successor chapters that answer to ultramar and are basically ulta lite

>>47950386
You mean the PDF, which their worlds are allowed to have? Or the Ultramar IG who are not under their command but rather the Munitorum's?

>>47949181
They aren't pointless loses. A million people can do a whole lot more than a few hundred marines.

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>>47949755
Oh how I love the Hammers. Just look at how noble and majestic he is! The loyalty practically radiates from him!

>>47950428
Their PDF, which serve as their own private army in the sector. They also have a ginormous fleet rivaled only by the Space Wolves individually.

>>47950443
laughing.jpeg

A few million mortal people in 40k accomplish jack shit. A few hundred marines meanwhile are capable of torching entire planets. A few thousand can purge hundreds of daemon worlds in the warp itself.

>>47950427
>they also forced the codex on other legions post heresy capping chapters at a thousand to decentralize power within the imperium
Which affected them the most.
>and then have numerous successor chapters that answer to ultramar and are basically ulta lite
Nobody answers to the Ultramarines. Their successors respect their opinions.

Point fingers at the "We are de facto still a legion" Dark Angels. Or the "literally all our successors, even the renegades, plus alien races, minus the faggot ass Lamenters, came to help us" Blood Angels.
Or the, as of TBA, Imperial Fists who have a secret "rebuild the legion" protocol.

>>47950397
>Serrated Suns? Never heard of them.
>that spoiler
Anon, I was unprepared for this. That pic is almost as spooky as a skeleton.

>>47950502
>Their PDF, which serve as their own private army in the sector.
Straight lies. They command the PDF when said PDF's planets are attacked.
>They also have a ginormous fleet rivaled only by the Space Wolves individually
Lol no. The IF, DA, and fucking Doom Legion all have a stronger space presence.

>>47950516
I'm not sure if the fluff has changed bit but i remember from the 5th edition marine codex that all the ultra successors still took orders from ultramar. the DA and the BA are also skirting the letter of the law but the ultras are more hypocritical because there the ones forcing the codex.

>>47950729
>i remember from the 5th edition marine codex that all the ultra successors still took orders from ultramar
Well you remember wrong. Give me page number and quote.

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Imperial Fist mother fuckers, do you even facial hair?

>Emperors choosen legion
>greatest fleet bar none
>best successors bar none
>greatest fortresses ever
>greatest space fortress ever
>mfw Swagsmund challenges you
>tfw Pollux drops by your home planet and bashes your fortifications, looking at your Girlyman

What's that? Trenches filled with dead battle brothers? Can't hear you over all that fucking loyalty and self sacrifice.

>>47950883
>do you even facial hair?
Which IF had facial hair? Certainly wasn't Dorn.

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>>47950928
Based

>>47946510
>complete and utter mary sue chapter
>god-emperor tier

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>>47950995
Fanart aside, Rogal Dorn was clean shaven.

For your favorite chapter you seem to know little.

>>47950755
I don't have it anymore sold it with the rest of my models years ago i still read some of the novels and read threads like this. It's quite possible your right about the successors being independent.

>>47951002
That was my point.

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>>47950883
>>greatest space fortress ever
The Rock says know your role and shut your mouth.

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>>47950516
"Last Wall Protocol"

When practical shit hits the fan and Rowboats theoretical doctrine leaves the most holiest of Terra's defenseless.

Notice that ultramarine blue behind the loyal yellow. Is his storm bolter firing? Was a single bolt from the unfortified Macragge fired at The Seige? Nope, because the Ultramarines were to busy playing SimSector in Ultamar while the man marines were holding the palace.

>>47951081
Oh. Sorry, hard to tell when people are being serious on the internet.

My personal favorite chpater is DA PURPLE NOT-ORKS, DA EMPRAHS GREENEST. DERE PURPLE AND DEY ARE NOT SNEEKY ORKS, DERE SPESS MUHREENS DAT KRUMP GITS IN DA NAME OF DA IMPEAREUM.

>>47951071
The closest thing is the Genesis Chapter. Who were the first successor chapter ever, live close to Ultramar, take regular pilgrimages to see Guilliman, check their Codex against the Ultramarines' one to make sure they have no discrepancies, and even sometimes temporarily fill gaps in the Ultramarines' companies when they are understrength.

And still, it's not hinted to be more than hero-worship.

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>>47951102
Implying a fucked up warp tainted planet spilinter holds a candle to the Phalanx. When 9 traitorous fleets hit Terra there were three no fly zones.

The mother fucking moon
Big E's condo
And this paragon of imperial might

>>47951120
Did you even read Sentinels of Terra before making a fool of yourself?

Lysander almost got his company wiped out being too stubborn to accept help from the Ultramarines and Blood Angels. That's where that picture is from.

>>47951190
The Rock didn't exist yet, did it?

The Rock says know your damn role.

>>47951185
Dark Angels have a back up chapter too. Angels of Absolution almost always fight alongside DA and even had one of their own fill in as the Ravenwing Captain once. Do all the first founding chapters have backup chapters? Are their other chapters that work together a lot that aren't first founding?

>>47951211
They are never portrayed as the best of the best, just the best that they could be and do what is expected of them.

Fuck yeah Lysander lost most of his company. Big Man Smurf lost his first company to a man, have you ever read about other marines fend off the space bugs with the ultramarines? Shit even Dante lost most of his whole chapter, twice none the less.

What has Lysander done to atone for his folly? A fuck ton is what. He even declined to be chapter master even though he had the renown, seniority, and experience because he's aware of his short comings.

If you want your chapter to be perfect, pick up a blue codex penned by Ward.

>>47951190
I want to know more about Inwit. Dorn built the Phalanx and conquered his home system. Tell me more about it.

>>47951190
The Rock is actually more powerful. The Rock single handily fought off the entire Death Guard, including Typhus and his Flagship, and wasn't even powered up fully, but at a minimal stage. At full power the Rock easily possesses enough firepower to exterminate a whole Legion fleet. On top of that its Void Shields are strong enough that they tanked Exterminatus (making it therefore the most durable Imperial installation that we know of) without collapsing.

>>47951377
>If you want your chapter to be perfect, pick up a blue codex penned by Ward.
Wasn't the Ultramarine's horrible loss (and first canon loss ever to my knowledge) on Damnos penned by Mat Ward?
Didn't Cato Sicarius never smile again?

Didn't Ward also write the Grey Knights' first mentioned outright losses? To Huron Blackheart of all people?

Meanwhile you talk shit at people on the other side of the galaxy who were cut off, then busy fighting the Word Bearers, Night Lords, Alpha Legion, and everyone else? These including the DA who were fighting the same dudes?

Meanwhile the Wolves were literally on Terra and just fucked off because defense was gay.

>>47951879
Ward really gets too much shit, and I actually feel bad for the guy considering he probably got a fucking ulcer from all the hate mail and death threats received thanks to people taking their fictional space marines waaaay too seriously.

My bigger beef is with Cruddace. Talk about shoddy rules.

>>47943262
Salamanders, Carcharodons, Lamenters

>>47949089
>zero guilt
>Diomedes' existential crisis in Retribution
>Tarkus' vow of silence
>Thaddeus and Hairgel nowhere to be seen, probably on penitent crusade
>Gabriel's final narration sounding more tired than anything else
The loyalists felt pretty damn guilty. They just didn't whine much about it because they were still busy fighting. We also don't entirely know what they're up to in Dawn of War 3. For all we know, they might all be on a penitent crusade to atone for the chapter civil war.

>>47954103
That's how you deal with something like this. Purging the evil motherfuckers responsible, hunting down the enemies of the chapter and Imperium and replacing their head with bolter fragments, then doing your fucking job.

Not spend the next ten thousand years prioritizing your own guilt trips over actually doing your job as Astartes.

It's why I really like the Guardians of the Covenant, who finally realized that their ancestors did the right thing millennia ago and while it is still there responsibility to help clean up the mess left over from that age old shitstorm, it's not actually their fault and they still have an actual job to do that's more important than wallowing in their own shame.

Kinda makes me wonder what the Dark Angels would do if they ever got rid of all the Fallen, by this point nobody likes or trusts them anymore.

>>47951879
>first canon loss ever
>Fulgrim slitting Rob's throat
>Alpha Legion humiliating the Ultramarines on Eskrador
>First Company eaten by Nids
>Uriel waking up the Nightbringer
Hold up, the Battle of Damnos was written that long ago? The earliest sources I can find for it are the 5th edition books, which began in 2008.

>>47947981
I don't remember any event where the Salamanders went out of their way to sacrifice themselves and save a couple of civilians.
But I agree about the Lamenters, they are stupid and die completely pointless deaths. Giving your life to save a few civilians that will either starve or turn to gangers after realizing other planets won't take proper care of refugees is a waste of Marine life. Not saying that the Marines should have total disregard for human life, but pointlessly dying is retarded.

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>>47950883
This guy has the right idea

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I think the true heroes of the Imperium are the best chapter,, remaining loyal to the Emperor even if all their allies and the very nation they tirelessly fight to protect hate these glorious yellow bastards.The true heroes are the Marines malevolent

seriously though, I like the Iron Hands a lot. I can identify with their salt over the heresy, they need more fluff.

Sons of Antaeus

>>47943262
Angry Marines.

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>>47956433
To bad their commissar is fucking dead

Salamanders, imperial fists and thousand sons for tier 1

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White scars. Best mustaches in the Imperium of Man.

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>>47946652
My Battle-Brother.

>>47954211
Guardians of the Covenant are more interested wity studying the past then hunting the fallen that's true, but it's the Angels of Absolution that believe they're completely forgiven. AA still think it's their responsibility to hunt the fallen down, just that they won't suffer damnation if they don't.

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>>47944018
You're damn right the exorcists are the best chapter.

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>>47946510
So are the exorcists, they're like grey knights but actually well written.

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>pic related

With Space Wolves before full wolftard as a close second.

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Flesh Tearers.

>>47947981
>Also, Ultramarines should always be God-Emperor tier as per canon, they are more or less the best.
I wish Matt Ward would be retroactively removed from GW entirely.

I hate the fact people quote this regardless of the fact the Ultras are not as good as other chapters at specific things. The "Spiritual Liege" thing is even worse.

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>>47959067
>Mat Ward
Accept it senpai.

>>47959203
T R I G G E R E D

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>>47959067
>The "Spiritual Liege" thing is even worse.
looks like someone can't handle the banter

>>47959233
I've played Ultras in every game I could up to BFG. Working on a 30k legion force now. They've always been my favourite.

I have actually killed an Avatar with Calgar, the Spiritual Liege, so that proves the fluff to me. I'm excited to see what Guilliman can do.

>>47959369
big G is interesting, but I prefer to take more troops and vehicles in 30k. Single, expensive showstoppers just aren't as fun.

>>47959398
I am trying to have a legion force, eventually, that would make Big G proud.

It must be Ultra.

40k has no new Marine-related products I'm interested in right now. Plus 30k stuff crosses over half the time.

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Sons of Medusa.

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>>47951767

Let me have a crack at it.

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Dark Hunters

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Imperial Fists.

>>47960476
Mah battle brother.

>>47960476
Would fortify/10

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>>47960476

>>47960476
Why don't they use the powerfist as their signature weapon, it would be exactly the kind of weird and stupid relationship between chapter symbol and tactics that is don so much. I get why total has a bolter-chainsword combo, being the standard setup.

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>>47943262
Carcharodons. Got to love the juxtaposition of intense brutality with strict formality. Also that despite their insular culture and unorthodox, even borderline heretical practices, they're staunchly devoted to the Emperor while almost completely divorced from the Imperium itself.

Plus, great colour scheme. After four years of playing CSM, I've finally taken the plunge and splashed out on an army of Sharks.

Carcharodons
Red/white World Eaters
White/blue World Eaters
War Hounds
Black Shields
Flesh Tearers

Am I an edgelord and I don't even know it? I don't even like blood but all my favorite chapters are so edgy and bloody. At least I don't like NL.

>>47945774
>Unintentionally hilarious tier:
>Hammers of Dorn
>Invaders
Explain please.

>>47959042
This anon gets it.

>>47969540
>Carcharodons
>At least I don't like NL.
M8