Warhammer 40k General

>>47923577

Will Eldar ever be nerfed?

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SO WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY DROP PODS GW YOU FUCKING KEKS

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY

ITS BEEN 10 FUCKING YEARS AND STILL NO DROP PODS. FUCK YOU GW

>>47923650
Just use the Codex:SM book :)
-GW support team

>>47923650
They're in 30k Al'Kaps.

>>47923602
I hate to ask but could I get an opinion on my Knight House?
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>>47923685
TLDR

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>>47923650
When you change your life for the better, or when GW gets common sense during a full moon as per the curse.

>>47923685
>Atriedes

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>>47923650
Imperial Armor 13
:^)_________________________________

>>47923685
So your house is Atreides from Dune and their enemy is Harkonnen? *sigh* Also the Imperium did not know about daemons during the Great Crusade so a Daemon Prince would have been a) rare b) classified as a strange alien c) House Atreides purged by the order of the Master of Mankind.

>>47923619
you have no anti air.

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>>47923725
>*sigh*

>>47923650
>CSM can take all models in C:SM
>Certain models can take VotLW to unlock spiky upgrades like Dirge Casters
>Chaos gets a few special snowflake chaosy units like Cult Marines, Heldrakes, and robot dinosaurs
>Cultists fuck off back to Lost and Damned where they belong
Fixed!

>>47923685
>Didn't manage to shoehorn in something about the slow reaper chainsword penetrating the ion shield
Apply yourself/10.

>>47923751
>CSM should just be C:SM but with more options

>>47923751
Helldrakes are dinobots, Anon. They're not dragons, they're pterodactyls.

>>47923810
Don't worry, all their special options will come with downsides that make them useless. They're the NPC faction, after all.

>>47923751
>CSM should be SM+1

>>47923830
Dude, what if, cultists could buy landspeeder storms?
whoa...

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>>47923650
I don't want the fucking drop pods.
That would be another step to become just marine with spikes, and fuck that.

Also fuck you.

Now, Warp Portals. That I can dig it.

>>47923725
It's what the House claims to possibly get free SoB booty. Might have happened, or maybe it didn't. The Prince could have just been a champion.

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>>47923850
Your friend is now a reaction image. So there.

>>47923850
Why haven't Warp Portals been a thing already?

>>47923885
I'd rather it just be the ability to Deep strike as opposed to having to buy a $30+ figure that does nothing but allow another unit to Deep Strike. Just let CSM units buy "Warp Borne Assault" for 15 points or something similar.

>>47923850
>Warp Portal
>AV12/12/12 3HP Open-topped
>Capacity 12 models or 1 Helbrute
>Wargear: Warp flare (S4 AP5 Heavy 2, counts as BS4)
>Special rules: Counts as immobilized, must Deep Strike. Half (rounding __up come in on your first turn without rolling for reserves. When it lands, everything must disembark and can't re-embark. If its scattering would cause a mishap (other than scattering off the board) the reduce the scatter until it doesn't mishap.
>Options: Can buy Daemonic Possession
>No other options
>75 points

>>47923908
Cute.

If we're going to buy Warp Portals, I'd rather it be a fortification that Infiltrates/Deep Strikes and allows units to disembark from it.

>>47923845
>Dude, what if, cultists could buy landspeeder storms?
then you could move 5 models with shitty weapons and stats forwards to their death very fast.

>>47923901
That does sound better than drop pods for CSM, but it shouldn't be usable for Khorne armies. No magic allowed.

>>47923908
Daemonic possession should be baked into the 75 cost. It's just too good to pass up.

>>47923936
Khorne doesn't like using magic o kill, but he's cool with Warp shenanigans. His fleets still need Navigators for example.

>>47923936
Khorne allows you to use warp bullshit to transport you to the fight, hence khorne ships being a thing.

>>47923908
Warp Portal - 100 pt
Fortification AV12, 3 HP

Deploy it like a normal building except it can be deploy anywhere on the map that is at least 18" away from a enemy model.

It has no transport capacity.

Each turn, a single unit that would come in game from the reserve in any way, may instead enter from the Warp Portal.
This is cumulative, but only a single unit may enter per portal per turn.

Unit with the Daemon special rule (Mutilators, Warp Talons, Possessed, etc) may charge when coming out of a Warp Portals.

>>47923947
I'm not sure if he'd like you using magic to move around the battlefield instead of footslogging and killing any niggas you come across.
>>47923953
Those are okay though.

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>>47923908
>>47923925
Just use the Eternity Gate's rules, with the change that only stuff with the daemon special rule can redeploy through it (i.e. CSM already on the table can't teleport to it). Maybe add that a unit summoned with Malefic can come through the portal as well.

>>47923955
>Building
>Infiltrate
CREEEED!!

>>47923969
Bloodleters in the Spess Muhreen vidya teleport/fastmove when you try to shoot them until they're up in your face and you're forced to engage in melee combat.

I can see Khorne approving of similar things to get to combat so long as you aren't doing it to actually trick the enemy.

>>47923993
>Bloodleters in the Spess Muhreen vidya teleport/fastmove when you try to shoot them until they're up in your face and you're forced to engage in melee combat
I hated those guys but I loved their VA. Strangely enough Bloodletters weren't as strong in Chaos Rising/Retribution as they were in Space Marine. This led me to believe that Bloodletters are actually limp wristed manlets who were buffed by Neroth's Warp funk.

>>47923850
>That would be another step to become just marine with spikes
THATS WHAT CSM ARE YOU RETARD

>>47924016
They're pretty angry in Last Stand, especially on Bloodied Colosseum wave 20. They could teleport too but that was probably supposed to represent deep striking.

Unless you are playing the right hero Tau then they'll end you pretty quickly even if you're ostensibly a tank.

>>47923908
Oh boy all these stupid rules to do something a drop pod can do for half the points cost!

Ladies and gentleman we have the problem with the chaos codex.

Might as well just use the dreadclaw at this point.

>>47924074
Congrats friend, you understood the joke!

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>>47924093

I feel like all stealth units should have an always strike first kinda rule. Like, their purpose is to surprise people from the shadows and deliver the quick lethal blow, but initiative ruins that as treats as a regular combat and not a surprise attack. When will they fix stealth/shrouded attacks?

>>47924169
Because Stealth is supposed to represent being sneaky and keeping a concealed position, thus being harder to shoot?
And Shrouded is just that on a higher level, or because the target is visibly shielded from shooting/being aimed at?

It's nothing to do with close combat. Also, Nurgle Daemons would steal Slaanesh's limelight and the Ghostkeep would become some kind of retarded kung fu ninja.

>>47924074
The chaos codex is a joke on to itself at this point.

>>47924194
I'm referring to stealth units dedicated in close combat mainly, like striking scorpions or kommamdos.
Obviously there can be a too large to hide rule or make it so bulky counteracts strike first for nurgle. Not sure it's just a thought

>>47924247
Okay, so Plaguebearers and Nurgle Heralds in general still have an effective I11 and go from being kinda good tarpits to Knight and HQ assassins.

I do sort of get where you're coming from, but aside from Orks most such units have decent I anyway (Scorpions have Eldar I5, Assassins are I7, etc).

>>47924247
>>47924169
I feel like those units in question should just have higher initiative and maybe the hit and run rule.

Still no angels of caliba epub?

>>47924270
Obviously they'd have to choose which units would need it to prevent that from happening from a codex and not rulebook pov.
>>47924289
It should be limited for one or two rounds of combat to simulate panic and confused from the attacked

>>47924313
It would probably be better to give them a bonus to I on the charge like old Furious Charge, or give the enemy a penalty to it like 6th ed Banshees. Completely invalidating mechanics via a rule is bad, looking at you Ignores Cover.

>>47924061
One thing that surprised me was how fast they eat Genestealers using the adrenal boost up.

So, if Brexit happens, GBP value goes down = Model price goes down?

>>47924343

>Brexit

Politicians should not be allowed to name things.

>>47924343
I don't think this is the thread for this.

>>47924343
Model prices go up, but why would the GBP go down?

What's the maximum number of Dreadnoughts you'd accept a chapter having before thinking "that's fucking stupid"?

I understand the average is about 20? How many of those would be relic patterns like Contemptors, Leviathans Deredeos ect?

>>47924343
That isn't how the economy works, and in any case GW prices shit differently for different countries, it's not a direct conversion from bongbills.

If anything the prices will go up with the economic recession GW will find itself in.

>>47924343
Yes
But sadly i doubt it will happen

>>47924343
if you pay with GBP yes you would get more for your currency, GW wont drop the prices instantly

if you live in england it stays the same relative to you

>>47924371
20 dreads feels like the average, standard number, 5-10 Contemptors is most likely fine, and 1-4 Leviathans should be the limit.

>>47924372

Well, I wouldn't say an outright recession, just a bit of a hit.

Not like those those morons who tried to make us leave the union: We'd have been living out of caves within a week.

>>47924400

You should probably be second founding if you're gonna have more than 2 Leviathans or Deredeos total.

>>47923650
>SO WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY DROP PODS GW YOU FUCKING KEKS
In the fluff?

>>47924343
if they remain GBP value will go down because they will be flooded by roaches and torn to pieces.

Which of the Angels of Death decurions I should try next? Playing Talon Strike Force was quite fun.

New nid player. I'm confused about something. The rules for synapse say they grant fearless to units in 12", but a few of the MC already have fearless stock, like the carnifex. Do they still roll on IB if out of synapse? If not, why do they have IB tables?

Any recent leaks?

>>47924447
Armored Task group
Technomancy Librarian Conclave
Land Raider Spearhead

>>47924472
Eldar/Deldar Starting boxes and according to BOLS, next 2 codexes will be Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult.

>>47924447
The tank one is less broken than it looks on account of SM vehicles generally being underwhelming. If you want to gimp yourself more, just declare them to be literally any chapter that isn't Iron Hands.

>>47924448
They still roll. Why? Because fuck Nids. Sincerely, Games Workshop.

>>47924482

So that would be Iron Hands right? Sounds cool but I don't have that many tanks. I could borrow though.

>>47924448
>Do they still roll on IB if out of synapse?
Yes, read the rules on the IB table. Fearless doesn't do much.

>>47923908
>An inferior Dreadclaw
Oh wow...

>>47924492
>next 2 codexes will be Deathwatch and Genestealer Cult.
We already fucking knew that, the clickbait is just making more duplicate articles. Ignore it.

>>47923724
dreadclaws are awful, though

>>47924541
Oh? Sorry about that, then. I browse BOLS like twice a week so didnt know they repost stuff.

(I also have like 4 different anti-ads addons so they arent getting any revenue from me).

>>47924370
pulling out of anything make foreign investors pull funds.

>>47924541
Either way I'm pretty excited about it. I have a unbuilt DW:O box that needs some love.

>>47923938
fuck you

So, any idea how well Battle for Vedros has done?

Rulebook easy to pick up, expansions make for better small-scale battles?

>>47924510
you know dreadclaws don't have inertial guidance, are daemon possessed, and are severely limited in what they can transport, right?

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Who are some inspirational characters from the 40k universe? I am new to the genre but I really enjoy reading about it. Can't afford to play though.

I will be honest, my parents were killed and most days I feel like I cannot go on without them. I try to draw inspiration from things to sooth my mind. Who are some of the most inspiring characters in 40k abd what did they do? I am really intrigued by tau.

>>47924541
>Genestealer Cult
I really do not want this.

>>47924607
Is it US only? I havn't seen any of the boxes for BoV in my store

Not bait, I think the ruling is fucking retarded. Just a question.

Since Drop Pods now block LOS as indicated by the model, if you magnetized the doors could you have them open one turn, then close them on your opponent's turn? Assuming your opponent doesn't give you a well-deserved beating to death with the BRB if you actually tried this, mind you.

>>47924632
If you were going that far he could point out that the models weapon is inside the drop pod and thus would also not have line of sight.

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>>47924614
Well guardsmen are inspirational. In a universe filled with monsters, super soldiers, aliens, psykers, heretics, daemons and villians you have a group of regular guys valiantly holding the line. Each man holds a small hope that they'll survive the campaign so they can go home, but each grimly accepts that they won't. So they'll die to hold the line

>>47924632
No.

If they can open they must, only if glues shut do they deny los

>>47924614
fucking hell anon that sucks, although looking to grimdark for inspiration is quite a stretch

O'Shava and Aun'Shi are pretty cool guys from the tau tho

>>47924632
I would dreadsock you so hard every time you would do that.

>>47924645
thats why you open the doors on your turn

>>47924645
Oh no, missing out on a stormbolter, how awful

>>47924658
What if he's bigger than you and also has a dreadsock handy?

>>47924614
CIAPHAS CAIN HERO OF THE-

Oh... Fuck. I'm sorry, anon. Well, as far as Tau go... My favorite character is Farsight. He's popular and probably overrated, but he had the balls to fuck the Ethereals and do his own thing for the good of his dudes.

A lot of Guard stories are inspiring. Cain himself is an accidental hero and a genuinely cool dude. Gaunt and Yarrick are bros too.

anyone know much about recasters? i tried looking around yoyhammer but i hate reddit so it wasn't much use.

I want mucolid spores but don't want to spend $60 per spore.

>>47924667
>storm bolter
>not death wind launcher
step it up, pleb.

>>47924614
There's Tarkus of the Blood Ravens. In one non-canon route he sold his soul to Chaos in order to save his chapter, and his reasoning was that his chapter was his life. Really Tarkus is just one noblebright dude. There's also Ciaphas Cain, a man who's too hard on himself that he sees himself as a coward instead of a hero. I'm sorry for your lost.

>>47924669
Mine is oldschool solid resin.

>>47924705
>Buying deathwind in a model that can't fire it due to doors glued shut.

>>47924688

Forge world sell an almost identical giant spore model in a three pack. Still overpriced, but more sensible.

I got some, and they're actually very unbalanced. Gotta glue coins under the bases if you get 'em.

>>47924553
Dreadclaws are 100 points and worse than a standard loyalist drop pod. It's almost as if they go out of their way to fuck CSM in the ass.

>>47924669
Then its a sockking match. There are rules for dreadsockking anon, you cant just beat up the other guy for NO reason.

>I play War Convocation. There are plenty of reasons to sock me.

>>47924734
okay thanks i'll look into that.

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>>47924724
>resin
...heh... ur ded.... kidd

>>47924708
Thank you. I think the hardest part is realizing that I can't see them. I would not mind waiting 40, 50, 70 years to see them again. But that's not how life works. I never even got to learn important things for life from them so I am learning now.

Reading warhammer stuff helps me though.

What's better, allied detachment of Libby Dread, Death Company troops dread and furioso, or Company of the Great Wolf detachment with Bjorn, Murderfang and Axe and Shield dread?

>>47924795
It's not a drop pod.

I see your Dreadnought and raise you a pewter Thunderhawk gunship

>>47924799
>I think the hardest part is realizing that I can't see them. I would not mind waiting 40, 50, 70 years to see them again.
I know that feeling, Anon. I've lost aunts, a cousin, and an uncle before.
>But that's not how life works. I never even got to learn important things for life from them so I am learning now.
>Reading warhammer stuff helps me though.
I hope you learn all you can, Anon.

>>47924851

Imagine hitting someone with a pewter Manta or Warlord.

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>>47924851
>pewter
srry kid... 1 day ull get 2 my elvel... pshh....
>Thunderhawks are banned unless it's Sockpocalypse, though.

>>47924864
That's got to be Strength D.

>>47924622
Why not?

>>47924864
They never existed, the pewter Thunderhawk, did, came with free delivery, a wooden carry case and weight in at nearly 35 pounds.

>Instictive Behavior: If any Tyranid units start thier turn outside of friendly Synapse, the model must make a Ld test. If the unit passes the test, it will function normally. If the unit fails, it must roll on the following table.

>1-2: The unit is treated as having failed a morale test and begins to fall back towards the nearest Synapse Creature (This rule overrides Fearless Special Rule). If the unit gets withing Synapse range, it is treated as if it had Regrouped.
>3-4: Unit gains Stealth Special rule and must try to move within the nearest terrain piece (craters, ruins, forests, etc...). The unit can run normally but only the models within terrain can shoot. These shots are resolved against the nearest enemy unit.
>5-6: Unit gains the Rage Special rule and must move and assault the nearest enemy unit. The unit must run at the nearest enemy unit if none such units are withing 12"
There, no need for fucking 3 d6 tables...

Is there a way to have a small Cypher army?

Start Collecting Blood Angels/Dark Angels when?

>>47924609
No you're right, it's equally bad

>>47924921
Already exists/Dark Vengeance

>>47924893
I would rather the effort put into a new Tyranids Codex rather than an ally codex that will be irreverent in the next edition.

>>47924939
>an ally codex that will be irreverent in the next edition.
You mean the tyranid codex when genestealer cults come out?

>>47924622
We already have them
>>47924939
>than an ally codex that will be irreverent in the next edition.
They are Allies of Convinced and Hybrids are actually way more killier than Pure Genestealers

>>47924967
Oh you cheeky fucker.

>>47924930
There is no SC. BA

>>47924983
There is though, Tacticals, Bhaal predator and a termie captain.

>>47924939
That's not how it works in GW though. The designers work on what they feel like, so them not working on genecults doesn't automatically mean they'd be working on nids instead.

>>47925005
>The designers work on what they feel like
I've known about this for years, and yet it's still mind-boggling.

>>47925005
>The designers work on what they feel like
Oh wow, no wonder why nothing ever gets fucking done there.

>>47925022
Why else do you think Marines get releases literally all the time while Dark Eldar went 12 years without an update and Orks are languishing in the bottom tier? I honestly thought it was common knowledge.

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Help!

I'm trying to order from miranda after finally finding her email, but she's asking for referrals.

Could anyone who have ordered from her before do me a solid and be my referral?

She's the only one who carries the Sonic Dreadnought, official or not, and I need that thing.

>>47925065
Yes, I will do you a referral. Send me your email and hers.

>people actually think Genestealer cults will be good
Niggers, they started nerfing them as soon as theae new FAQ's started. Look at Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter. That's what happens when GW releases your book alongside another treat for Space Marine players.

>>47925065
>after finally finding her email
Such a thing exists?

How did you chance upon it?

>>47924919
He has rules so yes you could fluff it like that. I think he has a formation too but I can't remember what it does or where to find it.

>>47925101

It's on her site if you look hard enough.
But apparently she won't sell without referrals anyway so it won't matter.

>>47924921
>Dark Angels
Hopefully soon

>>47925115
She has a website?
Is it that Chinese Ebay thing?

>>47925145

I won't say any more, you gotta find it yourself, its like sad panda.

>>47925083

But Lawyerman, if you don't already have her email, how can you be a referral?
Something not quite right here!

But for real I need a referral, if you have used her before I could really use it, I'll do what I can to prove that I'm not a GW mole-lawyer, but I'm not quite sure how, which brings up the question of how anyone can get a referral at all.

>>47925100
>Niggers, they started nerfing them as soon as theae new FAQ's started
No you nigger, the nurfed tyranids, cultists were barely effected

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I've always liked the concept and aesthetic of Praetorian Guard, but I don't have much of a clue about their fighting style. Does anybody have any information on this somewhat obscure subject?

>>47925236

I thought I had a gif of them fighting Orks somewhere but I haven't found it yet.

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>>47925266
I have some artwork of them fighting, but I dunno if I can make out a definite strategic or tactical doctrine.

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>tfw 20% off at my FLGS on all GW products

$72 for the SC CSM, not too bad. I plan on doing the same with the Daemons of Nurgle box and maybe the Scions box because the deal is excellent and maybe I can do some fun Chaos conversions for them

START COLLECTING TZEENTCH WHEN

>>47925236
Watch Zulu. You are now clued in on their fighting style.

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>>47925284

>>47924921
Blood Angels already announced and releasing soon.

I REALLY hope DA is Bikes and not Termies.

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>>47925287
>post ending in 7
Tzeentch pls go. Also when GW finally decides to release Tzeentch Daemonkin so never

>>47923602
Rate my Tau list

1494/1500

>CAD
>HQ
Commander R'alai
>Troops
10x Kroot with Sniper Rounds
10x Kroot with Sniper Rounds

>Piranha Firestream Wing
Spotter Piranha: Burst Cannon, Disruption Pod, Sensor Spines
5x Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, Point Defense, Seeker Missile
5x Piranha w/ Fusion Blaster, Point Defense
5x Piranha w/ Burst Cannon, Point Defense, Seeker Missile

>Drone Net
4x Marker Drones
4x Marker Drones
4x Marker Drones
4x Gun Drones

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>>47925293
That's what I was thinking, in all honesty. I just wasn't sure how much GeeDubs was ripping off Zulu.

>>47925297
It could very well be both bikes and termies, just not lots of them

>>47925308
It's GW. Did you think they would ever do something original?

>>47925305
7 is nurgle.

>>47925319
Fair point.

>>47925305
I've heard whispers around the internet that certain warehouses have stopped stocking the Lord of Change and a few other Tzeentch models to make way for plastic versions. So I'm crossing my fingers over here.

>>47925307
already been done before/10

Pirhana firestream and drone formation together isnt nearly as effective as you think it is, pirhanas cant leave on the same turn they arrive iirc so unless you are committng like 10 of them to generate free drones you are lacking any threat to MCs and vehicles until they come back in, R'alai is fucking amazing though but be careful of deepstrikes and outflanks

12 marker drones is a little overkill for pirhanas, might be better with 8 + 8 initial drones

>>47924993
No

>>47925209
post here email like ch*******[email protected] to prove it

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>>47925065
>Sonic Dreadnought
>Slaanesh

You have chosen wisely

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>>47925364

>>47925382
la*****[email protected]

>>47925342
I wouldn't super focus on infinite drones - I'd keep the fusion unit around at all times, and I'd only send one of the other units off the board at a time, using all their seeker missiles first.

>>47925403
What's the price on that? Because you posted an image for Ratlings.

>>47925403
>captain urges his marines to fight harder

hrm. if chaos got hatred, dark eldar got preferred enemy, admech got twinlinked, then maybe blood angels will get rage? i wish gw was a more creative these days

>>47925341
hope is the first step to disappointment. if/when we get plastic greater daemons we're gonna see a new daemon book. daemonkind while cute, wasn't that note worthy.

>>47925430
The exact same as all the other start collecting kits.

>>47925430
They're all the same. 85$us, 100$cad

>>47925430
Theyre all the same, 80 usd 100 cad

>>47925382

That would make it far too easy to decipher.
If you already knew it you wouldn't be asking for it and I don't want to be the idiot that brings down her store.

>>47925450
>>47925451
minor error in the hivemind

>>47925440
Think that these sets are made aiming to new players, be thankfull that the gave you a Tempestus formation that makes you spam scions at least

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>>47925440
Plastic Bloodthirster is pretty neat.
Hopefully the next three will be too.

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>>47925440
Ill go ahead and admit I'm new to Daemons. With the Silver Tower box, any ideas how I could incorporate some/most of the bad guys into Daemon goodness? I assume it's all snapfit so I don't want to fuck around with conversions for them.

>>47925455
Im not him I was just giving suggestions

>>47925398

Not really a choice since I can't find it anywhere, more like a dream.

If miranda is a bust do you know any other way of getting hold of one, preferably with the sonic blaster option available as well?

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>>47925430
Couldn't possibly be 50£ like all the others.

>>47925463
while the wording may vary, the meaning remains. hivemind never errors.

>>47925475
>the next 3
>ever getting an update

>>47925333
>333
>3+3+3=9
>implying Tzeentch wouldn't pick 7 for a nice change

>>47925425
your main weakness is lack of backline to support your r'alai and your main vehicle threats are either going to be glanced to death or will end up perma jinking, however seen as you have fifteen fucking pirhanas it wont be possible for him to jink lock all of them

also you have zero anti air, so with that in ind i take back my previous 8/8 drone setup and say 12 MLs plus 2 from r'alai would be better so you can get seeker missiles on flyers

it lacks alot of synergy but it looks like a fun army, play it and report back

>>47925479

But the proving that needs to be done I am not a lawyer man.
If all things are as the should be we both know her email and never have to speak it to one another, protecting it.

>>47925478
those black and blue dice are beautiful. i want some.

>>47925495
Sadly I don't have that many piranhas.
Yet.
But I want that many because I love piranhas.

>>47925494
Nurgle is the direct opposite, so no.

Is taking a Hellhound/Devil Dog/Bane Wolf at 500 points a dick move?

>>47925493
DELETE THIS

>>47925508
Anon, you don't know much about bait and trolling, do you?

>>47925508
Going on this:

My two favorites are Nurgle and Tzeentch. For fluff purposes, what ways can I have Nurgle and Tzeentch in my CSM/Daemons list for fun?

>>47925534
Dangerous, it means you'll often have Warp storm tearing though your own, so make sure to have CSM as primary detachment.

>>47925534
fluffwise or listbuilding?

because a brand new plague each week sounds interesting enough for a tzeentch warband, and whats more nurgle-y than weighing down and procrastinating on your buddies before they take you to spread space aids?

>>47925534
fluffwise it doesnt happen.

both gods hate each other

>>47925534
Nurgle hates Tzeentch in the lore and vise versa.
Same with slaneesh and khorne
sorry m8
If you do both nurgle and tzeentch youre more likley to kill yourself with warp storm table which is a table rolled every shooting phase for you so crunch and fluff youre fucked

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>>47925480
Well, Zanchui have those.

I managed to find him alone, just by lurking on google. You could too.

Also, I saw a few converted from Venerable Dreads. They look like some work was done, but nothing too pro.

Or you can praise the Dark Prince very hard, and get one free original FW discarded as it was defective piece. Just a little bit of work and a couple of bitz and it's brand new.
Thanks Slaanesh

>>47925297
How soon? I cant find anything

What do you think they will have?BA are melee oriented army right?

Anyone think they'd release a Slaanesh Daemonkin with SoB units with the daemonifuge novel and all?

>>47925534
Have the one God's forces be enslaved by the other's. Have a neutral CSM faction summoning them.

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>>47924795

probably the worst dreadnought model GW has ever made

looks like shit and a nightmare to put together

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>>47925595
>I love SoB because they are warrior women as they should be. Unsexualized, violent, in full armor.
>I love Slaanesh as the God of Excess, and truly can't stand the "lol, sex and drugs" meme.
>Can't have Slaaneshi SoB without looking like some fetish freak.

>>47925577

He does?
I have Z's email saved on my sellers list but no catalog so I guess I'll have to go diving for that to find the product numbers.

But are you sure he's got it?
And if so how's the quality? I heard miranda was basically the best in terms of quality, but if Z is at least decent I guess I'll go with that.

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>>47925559
I guess listbuilding. Because as others have pointed out, they hate each other.

Mechanics and fluff-wise, they have the coolest models. Maybe it could be something like Nurgle being out front to lovingly spread space aids while Tzeentchy shit chills in the back and casts spells while the FA units sweeping through whatever Nurgle units aren't focused on.

The ultimate goal of course, is for the Nurgle units to be wiped out just before securing a victory which would be just as planned.

I have the idea in my head put trying to work it out on paper or battlescribe has proven a bit of a hassle strategically speaking.

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>>47925629
You poor man.

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>>47925567
>fluffwise it doesnt happen.
>being this wrong

>>47925629
>SoB
>power lingerie
>unit of bondage nuns with Chainsword
>not sexualized
Are you blind or stupid?

>>47925643
>squatted lore
kek
>>47925672
>redditdog
kys

>>47925681
>Fantasy
>squatted
Okay nigger you can't really be this retarded.

Wait so where in the rules does it say a Contemptor can take two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons?

>Start Collecting: Daemons of Tzeentch
>Exalted Flamer on Burning Chariot
>Herald of Tzeentch
>20 Pink Horrors
>3 Screamers
>Prismatic Cataclysm: Whenever a unit takes a Toughness Test as a result of the Warpflame rule, add one for each unit from this formation within 18".

>>47925727
Fantasy is dead and gone, problem?

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>>47925567
Khorne and Slaanesh too, eh?

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>>47925629
Full fedora.

People who can't accept that SoB are BDSM fetish nuns with fucking high heeled corset boob armor and naked units led by a "Mistress" are almost as bad as people who pretend the god with the heavily drug-using worshipers and a Circle of Carnality in his realm involves minimal sex or drugs.

You managed to be a double faggot. Remarkable.

>>47925738
IA2 Contemptor Mortis. They still use as RAW the old statline though so no BS5 just yet. At Warhammer Fest I asked the FW team about it and they said it'll get updated rules in Fires of Cyraxus so wait until then if you really can't be fucked.

>>47925738
In the rules for the Contemptor. You'll want the Forgeworld version, Forces of the Adeptes Astartes 2nd Edition.

>>47925641
>He does?
Now that i checked, he doesn't have it anymore.
Strange, I was sure he had it.

>And if so how's the quality?
I can't really find any difference between zanchui and miranda. I think they just share the same factory. I could be wrong, but they do look the same resin.

The Slaaneshi French guy is the absolute best, with stuff that look AS good as original FW.
But he doesn't have many 40k stuff, Sonic Dread included.

>>47925727
it is squatted

>>47925761
>>47925763
Ah alright. Angels of Death only states that you can swap the Melta for a Kheres and that's it.

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>>47925748
Dead and gone does not equal squatted, retard. The continuity of Fantasy is referenced all the time in AoS and with the whole multiverse thing being how that universe works anyway, Fantasy did happen. It just isn't happening anymore.

If you knew more than just Reddit memes you'd know squatted refers to being retconned out of canon, as in, never happened in the first place.

>>47925740
>$168 worth of models
>one being a resin sculpt

If the Herald is made into plastic and drop 1 of the 2 Pink Horrors units and it looks much more realistic

Hey, all. Thanks for the well-wishes. The wife is doing better--most likely it was a weirdo migraine. She's at work & full of meds now.

I'm almost finished looting an Imperial Knight & will probably post pics to fish for names after completion.

>>47925534

Both Gods hate one another sure, but If one of them wants something, you can bet the other one will be there either to get what the other wanted or to fuck up the outcome.

So you can have them in the same army under those lore reasons, If they're in the same fight/combat etc together you can have it as one wants to take hosts while the other wants them dead, etc

Path of the Incubus has a small section about Tzeentch and Nurgle being "involved" so if you find one, there is a good chance the other will be close by or atleast linked.

>>47925786
It doesn't work anymore because squats are decidedly canon.

>>47925794
Burning chariot sprue gives you a plastic herald already.

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>>47925681

more le squatted lore art

>>47925794
Burning Chariot kit comes with a Plastic Herald. For that reason it's unlikely to fly, but cash wise it matches up with the other sets.

>>47925822
This is the face of improvement. Hail the new chairman!

>>47925786
>The continuity of Fantasy is referenced all the time in AoS
if you read AoS you are subhuman and should be hunted down and gassed in camps by the government.

>>47925786
I not even the guy who said it was squatted you retard.
>Age of Shitmar
kek

Fantasy is dead ad gone, it not long has any relevance.

>>47925795
>implying anyone here cares about your wife
Any updates to the fandex? Fix Lootas yet?

>>47925795
>Hey, all. Thanks for the well-wishes. The wife is doing better--most likely it was a weirdo migraine. She's at work & full of meds now
Gork and Mork decided to throw you a bone it seems.
>I'm almost finished looting an Imperial Knight & will probably post pics to fish for names after completion.
Name it "Da Wrecka Kan".

Which Iron Hands units have good synergy with Tau? Same for Tau. 2000pts 50%/50% between two players.

>>47925795
>The wife is doing better--most likely it was a weirdo migraine. She's at work & full of meds now.
The Emperor protects.

>>47925655
>>47925679
>>47925752
You see?
You can't say you want some Slaaneshi Sisters without looking like the worst human being.
No matter the reasons.

I stand my case.

>>47925824
>unlikely to fly
I like it a lot. If anything, it gives me incentive to buy more than one box.

I still highly doubt we'd get two sprues of Pink Horrors in the SC box, which is a shame because I sure could use them.

>>47925914
>niggers should die
>Fuck off racist
>SEE I TOLD YOU I STAND MY CASE

you did it, guy

>>47924748
>Implying AdMech is playable without War Convo
Don't be ashamed of playing the only thing you have that isn't CSM tier, anon.

>>47925914
The issue wasn't wanting Slaaneshi sisters. It was pretending that sexuality wasn't a core feature of both.

>>47925889
kys

>>47925889
Skyhammer Assault Force has pretty good synergy with everything. Throw in some Librarians with the Devastators.

>>47925863
>>47925867
>I don't like this new thing
>that means it isn't canon!
I'm a 40k player through and through. I just also happen to not be a total asstard.

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>>47925914
You're not only a double faggit but the slowest slowpoke.

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>>47925786
I find this picture offensive.
Heres a better pic

>>47925403
What the fuck is this shit.BA are supposed to be about rip and tear in melee

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>>47925995
>implying DE aren't the patrician choice of true gentlemen
saved though

>>47925937
I just want badass warrior women loyal to the Emperor gone full corrupted and sadistic.
I don't deny the sexual component of Slaanesh. But there is more to him/her. And I like the other aspect more.

I still don't see the sexualization you talk about in the SoB, outside the omnipresent Rule 34.
I just see a lot of Christian references and that's it.

>>47925929
>plastic dolls are the same as persecution of real people
wow... just wow.

You're a special kind of neckbeard, aren't you?

>>47926034
>people
kek

>>47926016
So you'd rather have assault marines.

>>47925974
No it isn't fucking canon, explain to me how shitmar has ANYTHING to do with 40k you retarded shitposter.

You dribbling retards are always shitting up the 40k general with your 'game', why don't you just fuck off back to your containment thread?
Do you see me going to the AoS thread to talk about how awful it is and how deluded you must be for liking it?

Fuck off.

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>>47926023
Definitely nothing sexual over here. No sirree.

>>47926061
No I want golden nipples chicken wings warriors

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>>47926023
>I still don't see the sexualization you talk about in the SoB, outside the omnipresent Rule 34.
Protecting m'ladies honor over fluff, eh?

>>47926092
No?

>womens bodies are inherently sexual
>they exist just so I can fuck them xD
Seriously just fuck off back to
>>>/pol/

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>>47926023
>get a load of this guy

>corsets
>boob armor
>high heels
>naked broads
>mistress with whip
>implied to be Vandire's concubines
>penitent engine only makes orgasm noises in Soulstorm

Nothing sexual here.

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>>47926092
I see your problem.

You think that Naked means Sexual, which is absolutely not true.

Pic related is sexual.
Repentia could be fully naked and still not sexualized. They are screaming psychopaths.

>>47926118
*tosses fedora*

You think Death Cult Assassins aren't sexualized either, huh.

>>47926118
Every human's body is inherently sexual if we're honest. Maybe not your flabby belly carrier system, but mine sure is.

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>>47926174
preach it, everything is sexual

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>>47926129
>>47926092
Yes, I don't think Repentia are in any way sexual.
Naked, but if you think this is sexy, you are the freak.

>>47926145
Yeah, the Mistress with the whip leading around female gimps who wear leather fetish gear and scraps of paper have nothing sexual about them! :^)

>>47926197
but that is sexy

>>47926197
I don't think you get what a BDSM fetish is to begin with, by this point, you enlightened gentleman, you.

THEY -LITERALLY- ARE GIMPS.

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>>47924614
Ollanius Pius was a guardsman with toilet paper armor who witnessed a primarch get his ass fucking beat and torn apart by a near god of war; to which he reacted by offering this monstrosity one last chance to surrender to the emperor before fighting him in hand to hand combat (for about 1.15 seconds).

He was retconned out of the story though.

>>47926197
If you think some people won't find this sexy, you haven't talked to some true BDSM people.
My last gf was into this.

>itt sisterfags demonstrate why they're the most delusional fanbase in the game

>>47926239
None of that happened ever in any fluff, just in /tg/'s wet dreams.

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>>47926234
>everything is a fetish!
>it's obviously BDSM, they put them in that because they're going to get raped on the battlefield!
>Women exist for me to impregnate them!
Is this literally you?
Do you literally think the only reason women are in this game is so you can masturbate to them?

>>47923751
So CSM should get everything SMs get, plus cool demon shit?

You're a fucking genius you moron.

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>>47926275
>None of that happened ever
Prove it.

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>>47926225
>>47926234
>>47926245
Well, I don't see it.
I guess it's my fault to see the christian gothic references instead of having a boner on a chick that cut her eyes off and charge into sure death due to sheer fanaticism.

Sorry.

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>>47926275
...you know i actually did have a wet dream last night that involved Ollanius Pius. how the hell did you know?

>>47926076
Anon said Fantasy was squatted. It wasn't. It was retired in favor of AoS. The quality of AoS is immaterial (I don't play it), it's still canon and FOLLOWS ON from the End Times of Fantasy. Fantasy is not squatted because it's still canon in AoS.

>>47926286
>these are obviously BDSM inspired characters
>SO YOU THINK THE IMPERIUM WANTS THEM TO GET RAPED ON THE BATTLEFIELD???
>I BET YOU THINK FEMALES ONLY EXIST FOR BREEDING
Jesus

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>>47926313
you are probably just a faggot

you seem like a faggot

>>47925822
Gotta be faked, the Wulfen don't have hammers and shields.

>>47926334
>Not having a boner on the first naked nipple you see
=
>Being a faggot

ok then

>>47926375
Yea what kinda faggot doesnt like the glorious nipple armour of the blood angels

>>47926375
>not being into guro
yep youre a faggot

>>47926321
Okay now this thread has become interesting.

>>47926303
Yeah, it's not like loyalists have been getting all sorts of bestial mutant marines and cool heresy-era shit... wait a second.

>>47926310
Sure. Ollanius Pius was mentioned once, as a myth from M41. He was said to have been a Guardsman (there was no Imperial Guard) who blocked a shot meant for the Emperor during the final assault on Horus' command bunker.

Id est, he didn't fucking exist.

The very first depiction of Sanguinius/Emprah/Horus/Vengeful Spirit, in Realm of Chaos, had it as an Imperial Fist Terminator. Who did nothing you described. He yelled a war cry, charged, and Horus flayed him alive with a glance.

>>47926375
A fit female form is inheritly sexual to males, whether it's covered in bdsm shit or not.

>>47926321
... I really can't decide if I want to know the context or not.

>>47926448
It's especially so if the observer is into bdsm shit.

>>47926430
If you mean the wolf wolves, then they also only have limited access to various Space Marine shit. You can't just give a faction everything another one has, plus some even better stuff.

>>47926286
>>Women exist for me to impregnate them!
Not even involved in this shit. Are you saying that isn't biological truth?

>>47926481
>If you mean the wolf wolves, then they also only have limited access to various Space Marine shit.
>can ally with space marine
fuck off faggot

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>>47926303
Basically, this is how it should be.

Its not a problem anon.

>>47924336
>Completely invalidating mechanics via a rule is bad
>Looking at you Ignores Cover.
What the fuck.

We have marines that literally ignores a good 20% of the core rules with ATSKNF, but Ignores cover can't ignore 1 rule that is otherwise insanely abusive on shit like rerollable 2+ bikes?

Fuck, I am glad GW is more sensible than you are.

And people wonder why the Sisters are getting squatted.

>>47926489
Technically that's true from a biological perspective, although by extension men only exist to impregnate women. Everything else is just surviving and killing time until you can impregnate/get impregnated again.

>>47926513
Maybe the solution is not to give anyone bikes with 2+ cover saves, that they can reroll?

>>47926513
Most people just use invisible anyway, that ignores a lot more rules.

>>47926503
>>47926500

So you both think that the CSM should be the objectively best marine codex in the game? Because that's what giving them all the shit that the other marines have would do.

>>47925104
I think its the Cypher dataslate

>>47926513
Except the rerollable +2 cover save is the problem. The problem that GW made.

I would rather see Ignores Cover gain a value that modified the save rather than anything with it just ignoring all saves. So Ignores Cover (3) turning a 2+ save into a 5+. Not only does it help unfuck armies that rely on cover saves, it also adds a tier of variety to the game because different weapons can be more or less effective against cover instead of it being all or nothing.

How do I turn regular IG troops into troops from Krieg? I dont see any gas masks in GW shop

>>47926546
>So you both think that the CSM should be the objectively best marine codex in the game? Because that's what giving them all the shit that the other marines have would do.
wouldnt make them any different than marines are right now, retard.

>>47926584
Oh wow the salt is so real.

So then faggot, what's your proposal for keeping the armies roughly level whilst giving CSM absolutely everything, PLUS demons and heresy-era kit?

What does a space marine armpit smell like?

>>47926665
Righteous fury.

>>47926659
demons suck ball so i dont know why you care.

>heresy era kit
you mean like the loyalists already have? go fuck yourself

Ignores cover wouldn't be a problem if all armies had access to invulnerable saves.
as it is now you can get ap2, ignores cover large blasts and there is nothing Orks, Tyranids or dark Eldar can do about it.

>>47926584
Better idea, just give them the Black Templar treatment.

>>47923751
Back in 2nd Edition, Chaos could take stuff from certain sections of the Space Marine and Imperial Guard books for a markup. I think it cost 25% more points to do it.

>>47926582
forgeworld

>>47926702
you mean squat them?

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>>47926681
>demons suck ball

i get that you're upset but daemons are amazing

>>47926681
Just because the demons are shit now doesn't mean they will be shit in the future. If they were made good (which they totally should be, and I agree with you that they suck right now) then the CSM would have them, plus everything good about the SM.

Why is this a point of contention?

>>47926681
>you mean like the loyalists already have?
You do know most of the Heresy shit you can take in 40k can be taken by Chaos.

>>47926729
demons are shit.

if you gave C: SM access to demons they wouldnt even take them.

>>47926665
An entire post-game football locker room.
Space Marines have super high testosterone, which is correlated very heavily with body odor, both pheromones and sweat production.
Plus they exert themselves many times more than a normal human.

>>47926719
Roll them into C:SM and throw them a couple bones.

>>47926736
>cataphractii
>grav
>available to csm
kys

>>47926736
sssssssh, let him have his victim moment.

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>>47926738
sounds like you picked the wrong army. Just pick up some space marines and join the rest of the shmuckmarine players on here.

>>47926736
>>47926753
>>47926754
The only non-garbage heresy stuff that CSM can take is man-portable autocannons.

>>47926738
Dear lord jesus you are bad at this game. After CotW came, Daemons became Tier1 list.

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>>47925822
I can't take this fucking image seriously.

>>47926118
>womens bodies are inherently sexual
>Implying they're not

Women's bodies are built for reproduction from the skeleton up to the point where it's almost detrimental. Dont forget that we're animals, and animals exist to propagate.

>>47925478
Heralds, daemon prince, horrors. Pretty straight forward.

The little flame horrors could counts-as Nurglings.

>>47926699
>This happens
>The new special rule "Ignores Invulnerable Saves" starts to become just as common as Ignores Cover was

>>47926830
>Biff

Best SFX ever.

>>47926791
It's hilarious how ill-informed you faggots are. Pretty much all the 30k relic vehicles, also at least some relic dreads.

>>47926881
>FW shit
nobody allows FW you dumb ass nigger

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So in Khorne Demonkin there are the groups like the "Brazen Beasts" and "The Harvest."

Is there any overlap between these groups and the general traitor legions of CSM? Could there be a Brazen Beast, Crimson Slaughter space marine? Or if he's a brazen beast he's not going to be a traitor legion like crimson slaughter anymore.

So I'm thinking about getting back into 40k after not playing for 2 editions.

I'm assuming my Ork army is still pretty bad. So I'm thinking of doing Ad Mech which I loved even in the late 90's, and Knights because I was fascinated by them as lore at the same time.

Is there anything I should absolutely avoid at all costs?

>>47925879
Nigga, Lootas done had been fixed. Salvo D3/D3+1 (max 3), 15 points apiece, only TL on Waaagh!, & the DakkaLadz formation lets them re-roll 1s to hit when shooting. Substantially more balanced.

>>47926902
>2016
>still banning FW
It's more balanced than the GW shit m8.

Although using FW as a fallback argument is tantamount to strawmanning when the discussion is about in-codex options. CSM are actually fucking badass if FW is allowed.

>>47926659
>what's your proposal for keeping the armies roughly level

When has this ever been a consideration in 40k?

>>47926902
how are those rotary phones working for you old man?

>>47926943
well heretics are still heretics...

>>47926959
I will never understand why anyone would ban FW. Perhaps because it makes weaker armies somewhat competitive, which is a no-no for waacfags.

>>47926990
The common argument (usually by WAACfags) is that to establish a knowledge of the metagame that includes FW you'd have to do a shitton of readying and cross-referencing. Which isn't wrong, but with all these fucking formations and datasheets scattered around these days GW is nearly as bad.

That and long ago in an edition long past, FW shit was actually powerful and so rare (due to mail order) that nobody knew the rules so if that one guy steamrolled you with his Trygon you would probably automatically decline games against FW in the future out of fear.

>>47926943
Those aren't legions

>>47926864
>Ignores Invulnerable Saves
It's called strength D and yes, eldar infantry have it.

>>47926546
>>47926659

I dont see the problem here. If you just use C:SM as a base all you need to do is make legion and warband chapter tactics that allow Chaos space marines to take marks and cult troops. Bam CSM in a nut shell.

So what if Csm can ally with daemons?

C:SM have every battle brother imperial codex to ally with. '

Whats your issue?

>>47926959
He said Heresy-era. Did not specify.

>>47926902
>fell for the Forgeworld is widely banned meme

>>47927053
Sorry, that's a traitor renegade.

Any insight on my question?

>>47927059
waacfag SM douchebags refuse to admit that CSM is fucked

>>47927111
Waac 3.5 csm faggots still whining about being underpowered and wishing they are Eldar Tier op.