EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>>47851751
so.......
Does Vision Charm work with Sundial of the Infinite like I think it does?

What are people hopeing for in the 4 colour commanders? I think no matter what the b/w/g/u commander does I'm going to turn him into 4 colour enchantment goodstuff. Daxos made me fall in love with enchantments but it annoyed me that I couldn't tap into green.

>>47852453
How do you figure?

Official Color Identity Tier list

God Tier
Sultai, Bant, Temur.

GU Tier
Simic

Middle Tier
Grixis
Jund
Naya
Abzan
Jeskai
Azorious
Dimir
Gruul
Selesnya
Izzet
Golgari

Blue Tier
Blue

At Least You Still Have 3 Colors Tier
Mardu

Poor Guilds Tier
Rakdos
Orzov
Boros

Other Monos Tier
White
Black
Green
Red

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Anyone have a good yasova dragonclaw deck?

>>47852453
If you mean make it permanent, no.

>>47852778
God Tier
Sultai
Bant
Golgari


GU Tier
Simic

Middle Tier
Grixis
Temur.
Jund
Naya
Abzan
Jeskai
Azorious
Dimir
Selesnya
Izzet
Orzhov

Good Mono Tier
Blue
Black

Kaalia / Alesha Tier
Mardu

Poor Guilds Tier
Rakdos

Boros

Other Mono Tier
White
Green

Meme Tier

Red
Gruul
Golgari (specifically gitrog)

fixed for you friend, no need to thank me

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What's your favorite charm?

Pic related:
Ramp? Recursion? Evasion?
And only one color, so your deck just has to have green and you're good.

>>47853330
>not enjoying cantripping strip mine

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>>47853421
I play Jhoira. Both the destroy artifact and remove/add suspend counters mode are pretty much always useful. The Trample mode has it's moments too.

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>>47853456
>implyingi dont already do that in the original memeoplasm deck

>>47853421
That isnt ramp.

Bant charm is best charm
>destroy artifact
>tuck a creature
>counter an instant

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What's your favorite charm?

>>47853421
Sultai Charm, hands down.

>>47853421
Sultai because it's the best one.

>>47853330
> hating on meme frog because of 4 chins
For being "meme" tier he's a fuck good commander.

>>47853918
just because he is in meme tire doesnt mean i hate him. just easy meme tier

>>47853734
Actually it is the rakdos charm. I use it in my nekusar deck at most I will take 3-4 dmg whereas everyone else will take 10 about or so

>>47853330
>>47852778
Both these lists are good, especially because of the fact that esper isn't on them. It's too good for lists.

>>47852778
>Temur God Tier
mah nigga

>>47853330
>Unironically liking degenerate Golgari
For what reason?

What blue/black/colorless creature hate is good to use? I have things like The Abyss, Tabernacle (land), and Invoke Prejudice. At the moment, I'm not sure of what other cards I could use.

>>47854017
>he doesn't like the waifu quadfecta, meren, sisters, savra, and glissa...

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>>47854109
If you don`t mind getting a ton of hate

>>47854112
>not the monogreen waifus of azusa, titania, yeva, nissa, freyalise, ayumi, and nylea

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>>47854139

I learned to play around invasion. My first "good" casual U/B deck used 2 copies (all i owned so wanted a playset) of that card plus color changers like Sway of Illusion for one sided board wipes. Throw in some counterspells & Fact or Fiction and I accidentally baby's first control deck.

Anyone else have cards from when they first learned to play always sneak into their EDH decks?

>>47854109
arena of the ancients
ensaring bridge

>>47854109
I have just the thing for you. Look under the tax section.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oloro-the-lazy-dick/

>>47852741
I'm hoping BUGR is a +1/+1 counters matter, just so I can play 4 color Kraj

Other than that I'm just hoping there are at least 2 Commanders and the Nephilm (even if they aren't legendary)

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how should i handle popping out some of these cards for the maybeboard? i like the morbid mechanic, but i cant think of solid cuts for these. also avatar of woe im thinking should be in the deck, based on how good it is.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-great-cycle-v20/

>>47852453
With that last one? No, because Sundial explicitly says "end of turn" effects end when you use it

>>47854541
The only thing really pops in your Maybe is the Avatar, Malicious Affliction, and Reaper of the Abyss
But the deck looks solid so I don't know what to tell you

>>47854780
should i take out shriek for avatar? since it destroys target creature instead of target non black non artifact? or am i going about it wrong?

also considering pathbreaker out for reaper, but malicious i dont know what. also supposed to be on that block is v hexmage, so idk if i should add that or not as well

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>>47852778
>God Tier Temur

What universal denial effects are there for Zedruu?
Mindlock orb, hushwing gryff, torpor orb come to mind.
Current shit list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zedruu-universal-denial/

>>47855433
Gravity Sphere can dick over flying-heavy decks

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So I finally brewed up a list for pic related.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kami-of-the-draw-spells/

It is basically exactly what you would expect. Only odd bit is I'm only running 28 lands total, with 8 ramp artifacts and a copy of Hide Tide.

Surprisingly enough, I have yet to have a hand that is not keepable. Any hand with at least two blue sources is an instant keep. And because of how much card draw I'm running, I actually have had trouble not hitting lands.

Anyways please give the deck a look. I'd appreciate any suggestions or critique. Hell, I probably missed some card or another that goes amazingly well with this little blue bugger.

>>47856119
So, how does it win?

>>47856273
By drawing cards my friend. And by making you draw cards.

Chasm Skulker
Ebony Owl Netsuke
Iron Maiden
Jace's Erasure
Laboratory Maniac
Psychosis Crawler
Rite of Replication
Sphinx's Tutelage

>>47856273
>>47856301
With no hand size limit and Teferi's Puzzle Box you can suddenly be drawing quite a lot of cards every turn.

>>47856119
35 lands are what you want for competitive decks.
That's the absolute minimum, 37-39 is what I usually run. My ultra polished daretti runs 35 lands.
Also don't be like that one guy who said one ritual is fine.

So Blind Seer can change its own color. Does that mean protection wouldn't apply if you targeted something with protection from blue using its ability?

>>47856352
Try doing some playtest with the deck on tappedout. It is actually amazing how little I worry about being able to hit a land drop.

>>47856301
>>47856325
So, why not just use Nekusar instead?

>>47856352
This guy's right, the lowest I go is 34 and that's only in my Mizzix where I'm running a giant pile of rocks and proliferating storage lands the whole game.

>>47856379
Because that's overdone to hell. And I wanted to try Mono-Blue.

I know it's not the best there ever was, but it's fun.

>>47856352
If I am to put in more lands, what would you cut?

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Can someone critique this? I feel like it's shit. I don't want it to be competitive or anything, but I don't want it to be bad.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-06-16-doran-edh/

>>47856446
No Avenger of Zendikar?

>>47856549
not doran, but i prefer sepulchral primordial

>>47853957
I actually almost took out the whole table with a Rakdos Charm with it's 1 for each creature effect. I had a Mogis on board and Furnace of Rath, everyone had been eating the 4 turn after turn, everyone had a few creatures, and life totals were low. The player in the lead had Nissa (Worldwaker) ready to ult. Had they ulted before combat to pull out all of their basic lands for elementals, the Charm would have dealt enough damage to win.

>>47852778
>god tier
>UGx, UGx and UGx
How does it feel like to be wrong?

>>47853421

Dawn charm for sure

>>47856352
Loads of really competitive decks use 30-32 lands. They also run all legal moxen, dorks and 1-2 drop mana rocks to make up for it though.

>>47856446
you should run wall of tanglecord

>>47857535
>>47856549
thanks for the suggestions. Will take them into account.

Does anyone here use Cockatrice? I'd really like to play with folks using cards I haven't bought yet in order to feel better before I spend money. I know I can just print proxies but still.

Is your commander canonically dead? If not do you wish for them to come back like Ezuri or Rhys?

I'm actually curious what brago was like when he was alive.

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>>47858454
How do you define this?

>>47857081
Funny. It feels a lot like being vailidated by a salty anon who wishes blue and green weren't the best colors and having one or both is what makes a color combo strong.

My favorite combos are Rakdos and Orzov. This isn't a speshul fee fees contest, this is a tier list.

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>mfw my Volrath deck has gone 6-0 since making it
>mfw all but one kill has been the result of dropping Draco from my hand for a 1-shot kill

>>47854246

Conjurer's Bauble.

>>47858545
Plz explain further

>>47858573
>Swing with Volrath
>Goes unblocked
>Use his ability
>Discard Draco from hand
>Gets +16/+16
>Deal 22 Commander damage
>Win

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Guys my playgroup doesn't play with commander damage. We follow pretty much every other rule but not the whole 21 commander damage is death. We generally play 4+ player FFAs so this is rarely and issue and it would be a big pain to keep track of everything. But at the same time it discourages certain decks since. I am working on building a boros deck and was going to use Kalemne but it seems like Aurelia or Gisela would be better given these rules.
Does anyone else play like this or has any experience convincing their group to play with commander damage?

>>47858607
Oh yea ofc... That is a cool "mini"-combo. Damn... I had forgot Volraths ability and didnt look him up...

>>47858545
Post deck desu

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>>47856373
Yeah and my Arcanis got consistent T4 wins on tappedout.net
>>47857438
I'm sure there's some, but they would also have green which is not Kami colours.
>>47856416
Cut Puzzle Box, and most of the howling mine effects. You're not playing nekusar, and if you were this would be a shitty nekusar.
Drawing a shitton of cards is cute, but you need to win. Psychosis crawler is pretty good at that.
Add pact of negation, otherwise there's no real need to run tolaria west.
Add arcane lab because
>pic related
(thanks to whoever made that)
Turnabout lets you cast costly spells with high tide.
Cut the x-draw cards as well(except blue zenith) and add the more efficient draw cards; compulsive research, thirst for knowledge (add seat of synod), and whatnot.
Ghost quarter+Tec edge get rid of lands which is blues weak spot.
Rapid hybridization, reality shift, and pongify are also weak in multiplayer. Add things like evacuation on their place.
Arcanis+mind over matter is a good infinite combo (with a graveyard shuffle, ideally kozilek/ulamog but elixir of immortality works too) which can win with blue zenith.
Hope this helped a bit. Remember that commander isn't overloading on similar effects to your commander, because your commander does that already.
Howling mine can stay because 2cmc.

>>47858806
You're pretty much alone here. Commander damage is a non-issue in almost every other playgroup. Change groups or hope the group spontaneously decides to play differently.

>>47858806
I am disgusted every time I see these baby horse tentacles.

>>47859045
Which howling mine effects to cut? All besides howling mine?

>>47859100
As you said it is almost a non-issue. I was more asking if other groups do the same thing. As for changing groups I play with my good friends so that is not really an option. Plus there are few places around here that allow you to drink beer so I think I will just stick to playing at someone's residence.

>>47857438
Also after checking the least I've seen on mtgtop8.com is 36 lands, and almost all green decks run 39, some run 38 or 37

>>47859156
...that's French.

>>47859193
Yea, and in multiplayer there would be more land destruction, so run more lands is me point

>>47859045
The best Brago, Jelava/Grixis storm and Zur Doomsday lists play 30ish lands.

>>47859210
These are decks trying to combo off or establish a lock by t3-4. Land destruction is generally too slow for the very top t1 lists.

>>47859141
My biggest question is how your group ended up not playing with commander damage

>>47859236
>Jeleva storm
Is this for real?

>>47859377
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeleva-doomsday-storm-moxnixs/

Goldfish it a bit and decide for yourself.

>>47859424
Do you attack with Jeleva at all or she is just for colors?

>>47859045
Well, I updated it based on your suggestions.

Look better?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kami-of-the-draw-spells/

>>47859495
Mainly the colours, but she offers something to get gas if you start to fizzle, which makes her better than other grixis generals for the deck.

>>47859262
We never really played with it when we started. Also when we have been drinking and playing a 5 person FFA it is a hassle to keep track of. Really the only commander in our meta it would be a big deal for is Uril and he has no interest in playing with it. It has been generally irrelevant but since I am making Nekusar and Kalemne I was thinking of bringing it up to them again.

>>47859534
Fair enough, My group uses different colored spindowns dice to keep track of it, but given your case I can see why its something you haven't played with

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolve-and-consume/

I'm trying to make my deck competitive to try and keep up with all the combo friends in my meta anything im missing as one of the only aggro guys?

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>>47859045
I actually made that picture, I got a good laugh seeing it used again.

>>47856119
Your Kami is much different than mine. I'm running most stasis effects and bounce spells. Let me know how it runs!

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>>47859523
Honestly, my kami doesn't win with damage, so I have no idea how well this will run. If it fails, do what I did, remove all spells that do damage And add as much control as you can. Run as many stasis effects as possible (back to basics, meekstone, winter orb, static orb, porticulus, stasis, arcane lab)

Run as much bounce as you can (c. Rift), and my diamond in the rough for Kami is turbulent dreams.

Best of luck!

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>>47859137
If you are playing control, don't cut any of them, run horn of greed, howling mine, font of mythos, anvil of bogarden, temple bell, otherworldly atlas, then run windfall effects (Jaces archivist!) And make sure you are packing library of leng.

Mind over matter +temple bell/otherworldly atlas is a win con

If you are not running control and playing more like a blue nekusar, I have no idea how you should build

>>47852778
>Good Tier
Selesnya

>Not as Good Tier
Everything else

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This guy has been one of my favorite cards since he came out and I've always wanted to build an EDH around him. Anyone have any interesting ideas other than using a bunch of artifacts that tap and untap him to clear out the field? I feel like I could be missing some fun stuff.

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>>47861689
too bad pic related is white

>>47861590
Accurate.

>>47861786
Damn you're right, that would be fucking sick.

>>47861689
Inspired was a really lame mechanic, but Macar is pretty cool. You have to find ways to use that gold token besides manaramp.

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Who is the funnest tribal commander?

>>47861862
Mistform Ultimus

>>47861862
Krenko, I think.
Shame there's only like two things you can do with him. Hope he gets a new card when we return to ravnica again.

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My current Kothophed list, need to throw in a Pox or Sinkhole, and have an Expedition Map to put in. Recently added a Maze of Ith, but yeah, currently the deck is working out well. Thoughts?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kothophed-surf-boarder/

>>47861862
UW Sygg

You can get pretty balls-out with him

> trying to teach someone how to deck build
> always remind about synergy and having a win con
> finally finishes a deck
> so how do you win with it?
> blank stare

>>47861689
Nigga I got you
Unwinding clock+liquimetal coating is fucking disgusting. Just in case you don't get it, make Macar an artifact, tap him and an artifact to untap him, exiling a creature and getting a gold token. Repeat for board removal and a shitton of mana.
I'm debating on whether to build him or Zedruu first.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zedruu-universal-denial/
Don't have a list for Macar but he will need some of the more expensive tutors to get that sweet combo.
Also played as mono-B artefacts, which is rarely seen.
Let's build decks together anon-kun~ no homo

I need PICTURES! Pictures or just names, that'd be fine too of sac outlets for EDH!

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>>47863239
That used to be me, then I learned of counters and tutors, (and the price of good tutors.)

There any other commanders that do what karlov does just better?
Specifically the lifegain for counters?

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Would someone please offer some recommendations for my Shu Yun deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shu-yun-the-silent-spell-striker/

The deck works pretty well, but I'd like to be more aggressive with it. I've look at the suggested cards from edhrec, but I'm looking to see if there are any recommendations for what I can swap out from maybeboard to the mainboard.

Any insight would be appreciated.

>>47863350
My only true gripe with karlov is his butt ugly at

is this what you call a battlecruiser deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ride-the-sky-and-carry-heavy-sticks/

>>47863246
>>47861689
Here's my WIP list
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/king-macar-and-the-jewish-hoard/

>>47863309
Colors?

>>47864500
Black/Red and maybe green. I'm debating on messing with either the Prossh or Plunder the graves decks I've had sitting around for awhile.

>>47863309
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Asacrifice+o%3Aa+o%3Acreature+f%3Acommander+ci%3Abrg&v=card&s=cname
There you go

>>47864570
Goblin Bombardment and Greater Gargadon are up your alley

>>47854246
My first planeswalker, Jayce, Memory Adept. I had a mono-blue flying mill deck so I loved it he currently resides in my Phenax EDH...

>>47864702
>>47865000
Much appreciated!

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>>47863466
Where are Distortion Strike and Brute Force

>>47861689
I think the easiest and most effective way to abuse macar is to make him into an artifact and use clock of omens to repeatedly untap him.

Sands of time + strionic resonator also works well

Here is my budget-ish deck, it still does pretty well.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-burger-king-1/

How would /tg/ build a sub-100$ Ezuri, claw of progress deck?

>>47865845
buy the precon

>>47865845
Hatebears, maybe? Splurge on some important stuff and then fill it with value

>>47865880
Is it actually good? Or even decent?

>>47865845
Precon + a few $1 simic rares, a few more UG lands and some artifact staples and good to go

>>47865911
This is the list im running, alot of it comes in the precon, just find the dollar rares and replace stuff from the precon

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-03-16-ezuri-claw-of-progress/

>>47865983
What good simic rares do you suggest?

>>47866038
fathom mage
sage of hours
gyre sage
edric
chasm skulker
wild beastmaster
champion of lambholt
alchemist's refuge

if you can afford them, momir vig and fable of wolf and owl can make the deck stupid

>>47866038
counter pass bitch
counter sac n draw
counter counter counter
counters
Simic colored dice to show you mean business
simic waifu daki

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I plan on building Maelstrom soon. I just had a rules question about his double cascade. Say I cast maelstrom and cascade into blood braid elf. Would I resolve the second maelstrom cascade first or would I cascade off blood braid elf and cascade maelstrom afterwards?

>>47866239
I think you bloodbraid before second maelstrom

>>47866239

If the stack goes 1-2-3, 1 resolves first

When you cast maelstrom wanderer, here is the stack:

1-Cascade
2-Cascade
3-Maelstrom wanderer

When your first cascade finds bloodbraid elf and you cast that, here is the stack:

1-Cascade (BBE)
2-BBE
3-Cascade (MW
4-MW

Whenever a spell or ability is put onto the stack, it is put on top, that's why they call it the stack

Everything already on the stack must wait

>>47866239
Speaking of which, if I were to copy Maelstrom Wanderer with Altered Ego with additionalcounters, does it cascade for Altered Ego's base cmc, how much i paid in mana, or Wanderer's cmc?

>>47866349
>>47866274
Thanks! I built living end recently and sort of fell in love with cascade. I appreciate the clarification.

>>47866421
I think due to the wording its whatever you payed for on Altered Ego. Not sure, Ive never been good with these kinds of rulings

>>47866421
Ego isn't Wanderer while it is being cast so it doesn't cascade at all.

>>47866421

None of the above

Altered ego becomes a copy of a creature, it does not copy the features of that creature that apply to it as a card or spell, after all, altered ego's features as a spell are determined by the card altered ego, just as maelstrom wanderer's are determined by his card

You get no cast triggers for creatures you copy with clones

Although clones are still creature spells so something like Karametra or glimpse of nature will trigger when you cast a clone

>>47866421

To give you another case, altered ego is uncounterable when you cast it

but if altered ego was in your graveyard and you cast body double intending to copy it, that spell would still be counter able, (however, a clone doesn't become a copy of anything until it resolves anyway)

>>47865845
>>47865983
Fellow newzuri players, here's my list its technically "budget" I've had that tropical island for quite some time

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/

>>47865348
I don't own any copies of those cards (yet).

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>>47866629
>Blighted Agent foil is $35
What the fuck

>>47866770
Little thing called modern is what makes it so high. Felt good to get 5 foils before the hype

>>47866887
That's gross

What happened in Modern to make it spike so hard? I don't pay much attention to other formats

>>47866914
Infect is one of the top decks in modern, same reason why inkmoth nexus is ridiculous in price as well. Any card that does decent in a deck makes it somewhere in the top 32 is bound to spike a little, or in this case top 8.

>>47866932
I feel like Inkmoth has always been on the pricier side, part of why I've been putting off buying one

>>47867090
I got mine for about $10 each whenni jumped on the memedern wagon, sold them for about $25 each a few months back, they are hovering around $30 now ($85 for foil)

>>47867090
It could've been I got my blighted agents from a friend who quit playing, even after showing him the prices he said he didn't mind but I guess when you work a job that enables you to buy as many playsets of it as you want it won't really matter.

>>47858806
My heavenly host has abandoned me....what is in this picture

>>47867366

I looked through a bunch of pictures in the watermarked website but couldn't find that one

I'm very curious as well, it's obviously some kind of horse hoof problem but I've never seen anything like it

Even more curious is that fact that it appears in a random edh General accompanying an unrelated post

>>47866038
Don't forget Awakening Zone.

> want to make a karlov deck
> can't stand how fucking bad the art is

>>47861862
Slivers are the most effective just because of toolbox and combo, if being effective is fun for you

>>47868517
that was me with karador

>>47868566

Karador has awesome art tho

>>47868662
hes a centaur, thats my problem

>>47859534
The damage dealt by Nekusar isn't commander damage as it combat damage so I wouldn't worry about trying to enforce the rule in your playgroup.

>>47852741
I'm just hoping for shenanigans.

>>47853421
Izzet is a personal favorite despite being kind of weak for EDH. Otherwise: Boros or Jeskai.

>>47854246
I only starting playing Magic in the past two years, so nothing super obscure: Almost every deck I have made has red in it, and almost every deck has had Guttersnipe put into it.

>>47853734
I've used the first and last effects to such brutal extremes in so many games. I love this charm.

Boros is still best though.

okay. fucking explain this to me please. golgari grave troll. dredge 6 is neat, but its a 0/0 body that comes into play with x +1/+1 counters, and 1 remove a counter to regenerate. how the fuck does this fit into any deck? i see no value in what he is. life from the loam i can see. stinkweed imp too. hell even golgari thug, shambling shell and nightmare void. but please. explain why is troll a "staple"?

>>47869036
Because of the Dredge. And it's a high one too, so you get a bunch more stuff in the grave, it's not the body that's important, but abilities, usually.

>>47869390
ah, i see. kinda dont get why not stinkweed imp, but i see.

>>47869416
Because other one is rare and other common, and of course, it's gonna be big in decks with high creature count. And can be used to chump block for eternity with the regen ability. While it's a pretty vanilla creature, reusable big body is always nice.

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>>47858806
why does your group hate voltron anon?

>>47858531
It's also not accurate - try telling a competitive player that Azorius, and by extension GAA4, isn't top tier. Same goes for Esper and Zur.

The salty anon is sality wrong.

Absolute kek.

>>47858806
Build an infinite life combo deck.

>>47869809
>azorious
>not blue

>esper
>not blue

Your a moron. I will make statements that can be clearly understood by a moron. Blue and green are superior colors.

Is it worth playing ramp cards in a Gitrog deck? skyshroud claim, cultivate/kodama's, etc

>want to build Golgari but not Gitrog
>crack a fucking Gitrog in a pack over the weekend
Shit

>>47858806
>>47869890
This, but do it in WB so you can do the sanguine bond/ exquisite blood combo too. Get them to hate life

>>47869953
*You're
(Wouldn't normally call out spelling, but if you're insulting someone's intelligence)

But seriously, ranking Naya higher than Azorius is just plain wrong. Also the list doesn't even feature Esper. Bad tier list is bad.

I'm not saying the list doesn't rank UG highly enough, I am saying it's inconsistent, unhelpful and inaccurate.

If you're going to be a casual, at least be honest about it.

>>47870151
go get a jarad. or mazirek. savra works too. trade him in if you dont want to play him, and get another one

is identity crisis edh a good varient to play? i want to try and build a deck using lyzolda, but not sure if there are enough cards that identify red and black to run all 100 cards

>>47865911
Living Hive

>>47870389
Mazirek is wonderful and underated. Just add persist creatures for fun
Also, made a mill deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-06-16-wall-tribal/

>>47870389
Yeah I was thinking of putting him in Jarad, and Jarad's sac land ability to reanimate seems pretty good with Gitrog in a pinch

>>47870401
What's Identity Crisis?

>>47870706
2WWBB, Exile target's hand and graveyard

>>47870735
Oh

It sounded like the guy was referring to a format as opposed to a card

>>47870743
Actually, you're probably right. I just never heard of it and I went for the most logical explanation

The fuck is Identity Crisis EDH?

>>47870706
where you get a at least 2 color general, and only get multi color cards that fit that card's identity

>>47870807
Y'know I actually thought about making gold card tribal with progenitus or child. I don't know why but I love multi-colored cards so much. Perhaps charm.dek would be more effective. Theres some weird multicolor maters tech from ravnica and alara block, it might be worth it as a for funsies deck.

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>>47866914
>>47866932
>>47867090
>Open Blightsteel from random pack while he's floating at $3
>Is now $30
Not even using it

How often do you guys netdeck instead of building your own deck? What is the process you go through for building your own EDH deck? Is it acceptable to just steal other decks/use the cards that EDHRec reccomends?

>>47871515
Preferable to build your own deck, and its always fine to use EDHRec recommendations.

>>47871543
What if I copy Tappedout budget decks because I'm a cheapass poorfag

>>47871515
its about half and half. i found a prossh deck that i took and tweaked it to have an elf theme, worked okay. meren i keep searching for new things to put in her, now im at the point of what should i cut to put x in? its annoying

previous attempts at building a deck have failed, mostly. i dont think i understand how to really build a deck efficiently enough.

>>47871515
I don't trust myself with building my own decks
Like, I'll sift through the bulk cards I have and say "oh, this one's nice. Oh, this one's nice. Oh, this one has a high cmc, but it's nice."

>>47871566
Nothing wrong with that either. Its one of the reasons that peasant exists.

why should i wood elves over farhaven elf? wood elves are only really useful for shocklands, right?

>>47871515
Edh is about building whatever you want, this includes netdecking. Anyone who says otherwise is an autistic snowflake crying about your wrong-fun.

People always bitch and moan about linear commanders that all play the same. Faggots who think the purpose of my deck should be to entertain them. They're the same people who use the "spirit of the format" as a bludgeon against decks they can't beat otherwise.

>>47871515
I generally start with a color combination, theme, playstyle, work around commander, or something.

When I get the commander, I check the entire block it was in for synergistic cards before I turn to magic the gatherer on certain useful keywords and what not

Add in the staples

See if there is room for a sub theme

Manage land base and ramp artifacts

Check other decks listed to see if anyone found some super spicy deck tech or what not

Refine through playtesting

>>47863246
>>47863695
>>47865474
Dope, thanks dudes.

>>47871622
I would say Wood Elves, it gets duals and shocks and the land enters untapped.

>>47869969
yes. you want to get gitrog out ASAP so you can get your engine rolling

>>47871754
and if i have no duals or shocks? just wood elves based on it being untapped?

>>47871815
how many colors are you in? the versatility of any basic might make Farhaven worth it.

>>47861689
In addition to what other people have posted, Cranial Plating lets you turn your untapping artifacts and gold tokens into extra general damage if you get an open board to swing with him.

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>cast trigger mindslaver
Well, it isn't good, but it sure will be annoying.

>>47871834
well, im debating in meren, but i also run mimeo, prossh, and sigarda.

it is in prossh right now

>>47871920
im fucking done. not going to the release. not the pre release. im fed up with eldrazi. fucking leave that shit on that shit fucking plane zendikar. i can name only 4 things from those blocks that were worth a damn. wrexial, smothering abomination, old drana, and vampire nighthawk

>>47871979
Just got a Smothering Abomination for muh Prossh recently, its sooooo good.

>>47871920
>13/13 for 13
>it's the cause of Triskadekaphobia

How pissed is Ugin going to be at Nahiri, scale of 1 to 10

>>47871515
i use edhrec to help me start building a deck and then tweak from there and research for spicy shit to throw in when i find stuff that doesn't work

>>47871950
It's really dependent on the cost of your mana base, if it's budget than Farhaven fixes you since your mana may be shakey and fetches your budget basics, if you have shocks and duals Wood Elves fetches Bayou ect.

>>47871622
i just run both

being able to grab lands and have a body is great

>>47871979
>implying Kazuul isn't the GOAT commander for control

>>47871515
I browse decks on Tappeout to make sure I'm not forgetting any core cards for my commander. Otherwise I just build, mtg search engines are good enough that I can look for stuff that synergizes. I'm not so pompous that if someone says "X is good with your commander, you should run X" I'd ignore it because it wasn't my idea

>>47871920
Mindslaver in the command zone is gonna get instabanned in the next list, just watch it. If players can cast Newkozi in turn 3-4 consistently just imagine Cthu-kul.
Or maybe she's the final nail in the coffin of Sol Ring/Mana Crypt and friends

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>Bruna was gone.

>Gisela was finished.

>Instead, they had become. Her. One. One'mrakul.

Dibs

>>47873061
Devoid Grixis commander?

>>47873088
My guess is jeskai

>>47873061
>Eldrazi Conscription is now canon with Bruna

>>47871920
What? What'S that about?

>>47873284
The new Emrakul card. 13 mana, on cast it Mindslavers an opponent.

>>47873300
Oh? Where did you get that info?

>>47873300
It also gives that opponent a Time Walk

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>>47873313
Official spoilers started today.

>>47873333
that's pretty cool

>>47873333
>Protection from only Instants
>They get an extra turn after you Mindslaver them
I shouldn't hate this, but I hate it.
Art's great though.

>>47871515
I often see legendary creatures and think, "I'm going to build a deck around that."

Then comes the research. I typically look at the ten highest-rated decks on tappedout using that legendary creature, and I look at all of the cards that are posted to see what kind of interactions there are between the cards. Then I compare the decks to each other to see what I like and what I don't like. From this point, it is all about shuffling around ideas, figuring out the other 99 cards, and figuring out my approximate cost to build.

I have also started using EDHrec to see what's commonly used with legendary creatures.

>>47873426
That's what Ugin's Nexus is for.

So I have a Taisgur, is that good for any EDH deck?

>>47873609
He's quite a good commander, so yes.
Go bananas.

>>47873609

He's IMO the best Sultai commander. The rest are just the same selfmill/reanimate/combo.dec

He at least gives you some more options & can be very political.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/its-all-about-the-little-things-in-life/

i would like opinions. im working on using torrent elemental as mimeo's base, while using the opponents stuff to fuel the torrent train. thoughts?

>>47861862
Definitely Darien, nothing like tapping that ancient tomb and getting soldiers.

>>47867366
>>47867449
It's what a newborn horse's hoof looks like for the first few hours when it pops out.

>>47873426
Mindslaver's still a really fucking powerful effect in a multiplayer game, you can often leave them with pretty much nothing left to do on their next turn after potentially fucking up the other opponents. This Emrakul will be really good (but still worse than Mindslaver because it's harder to infinitely loop).

>>47874289
I've cared for newborn horses and I don't remember this abomination.

>>47871515
>Start with a Commander in mind
>Go to EDHRec, see what's suggested
>See how many of those cards I actually have
>Do any of my pet cards fit?
>What does the deck look like after I start making those substitutions?
>What goes well with those cards?
>Am I missing something basic, like card advantage or tutoring effects?

That's basically my typical thought process.

So i'm running Esper colors. Are there any reasons other than fiscal to not run Snapcaster Mage, Cryptic Command, Damnation, and Wrath of God?

I'm working on cutting down to my 99, and I'm having some difficulties with what to cut, the more I've cut the more I've lost the flavor of the deck for general effectiveness.

>>47874361
That's just what I find while googling. There's other pictures too. But idfk I've never even seen a baby horse in real life.

Rules question: I bring back say, something with a morbid effect, can i sac something in response to the ability bringing the creature back from the graveyard to play so the ability can trigger?

>>47874361
Looks like it's called a deciduous hoof capsule, meant to protect mama horsie's uterus from getting torn up by the foal's hooves

They wear down to normal when the foal starts walking

>>47874604
As long as you have an effect to sac something at instant speed, sure.

>>47874604
Abilities with a target can't trigger or be activated without having a target. You can't make a target in response to the ability.

>>47874877
didnt mean it in that way, say i have sakura tribe elder, deadbridge chant and it triggered, bringing back, say reaper from the abyss or morkrut banshee if they are the only targets in the yard. when would i need to sac the sakura tribe elder to get the morbid trigger for that turn?

>>47875010
Deadbridge Chant doesn't target, but that doesn't matter. You need to sacrifice elder before the morbid creature enters the battlefield, in the case of Banshee, or before end of turn, in the case of Reaper. If you want ETB morbid abilities, the creature will need to die before Deadbridge Chant triggers.

Recent events on Innistrad have made me want to make a human tribal deck. Humans are my favorite tribe and Innistrad my favorite plane so I want to commemorate the good times.

Should I play Sigarda for purity and thematic points or Anafenza to unlock Black and sacrifice abilities?

>>47875612
You should find a fitting Naya commander instead. Hazezon maybe?

>>47874328
>>47873333

Because alAnimar needed another win condition.

Fuck everything.

>>47875612

Play Saffi using Angel of Glorys Rise as a combo finisher.

>A guy play disgusting Voltron-y deck that one-hit KOs everyone starting turn 4 and essentially cannot be interacted with
>"Hey this is fun"
>Plays a heavy lockdown that pretty much stops people from playing magic
>"Haha Im just fooling around you guys"

>Manage to get my combo out and end the game in one turn
>"Wow these suck so much it's just so not fun when we can;t play magic I hope you didn't tutor for your wincon you bitch"

Anyway, any good recommendations for Marchesa or Nin? Cannot decide whichever should I even build. My original deck is combo so I would prefer to avoid that yet remain competitive

>>47873426
the extra turn thing is because of 60 card formats. Casting her without that last effect would amount to taking 3 turns in a row.

Mindslaver does not leave a giant beater behind.

>>47868517
get an alter

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/744984664117485568

New legendary werewolf

>>47877372
Looks good, but it's kinda boring. All I wanna do with it is let it transform back to frontside, give itself +4/+4 then Moon Mist it.

>>47877372
Recurring Moonmist with this guy would be fun

>>47877372
Well my boyfriend finally has a werewolf commander, too bad Xenagos seems to be way better commanderwise

I cannot wait to suspend Shivan Meteor into Clockspinning, so that Emrakul 2.0 dies on my turn that my opponent controls.

I cannot fucking wait.

>>47877065

3 turns in a row yeah, where one of them is spending 9-13 mana and nothing else, and another is maybe getting rid of some spells in your opponents hand (if they aren't already hellbent by the time you cast a 10 mana creature), and the third finally lets you swing once

Taking your opponents turn is super overrated when you get even tap your opponents creatures for a lethal crackback when your turn comes back

If your opponent is near hellbent newmrakul basically just gives your opponent an extra turn

It's complete and utter shit

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>>47877372
Wow, it certainly is... above the mana curve. Most of the time.

>>47877621
you can still force shitty attacks and waste resources

>>47877651

If you're already ahead on board sure, and then they get to rebuild immediately

>>47877677
>one turn to stabilize against having your board wasted and useful spells wasted and likely stuck in topdeck mode
>facing a flying 13/13 trample

Good luck with that

>>47877705

If you don't have a flying creature to go with your emrakul you have no way of blanking a clip wings in their hand or that they might draw during either of their 2 turns before you get to play again

I'm not saying 13/13 flying isn't good beats but everything else about the card is shit, and you can find more efficient beats in standard and certainly better in edh

>>47877723
While I have their turn, I cast clip wings targeting them.

>>47877760
it says each opponent

>>47877723
who maindecks clip wings?

>>47877771
Really? Whoops.

>>47877786
Everyone runs important flyers, so everyone runs clip wings mainboard. Now even you have to.

>>47877786

Didn't say nothing about main board

Game 1 emrakul still isn't that good because no guarantee you're able to live to 9 mana + delirium or nahiri ult

Game 2 you have to do that AND fight through clip wings

I don't expect newmrakul to see any play whatsoever in any format but I could be wrong

>>47877786
Who doesn't?

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Dumbass question here, is this allowed in an esper commander deck or no?

>>47878341
No.

>>47878341
Nope.

Those mana symbols give it a 5color identity.

>>47878376
>>47878403
That's what I thought, thanks guys.

>>47877526
Are you his bitchboi?

>>47871622
Wood elves gets any forest, untapped.
It's better, seen also in French EDH stats
Run both if you want because
Creature ramp>spell ramp

Aaaaand it's shit!

>>47878975
>any forest, untapped

The shockland forest still require you to take the shock or they entered tapped anyways or if you have that artifact.

>>47872285
18/10
The dumb cunt should really be mad at Nissa for being an evening bigger dumb cunt in the first place

>>47872285
The twist is he won't be. Ugin is a pretty neutral party, and from that standpoint, Nahiri did something fairly smart to ensure that Emrakul got locked down, since she's obviously going to lock her up in the giant Helvault moon.

Sorin will be incredibly buttblasted, but of course, the irony will be that she did what he did to her home.

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This guy seems to be cool. Like a powered down Xenagod but still be able to kill creatures with.

>>47879941
I cranked out a list for him, using a little bit of stax to stop spellcasts. Tell me what you guys think.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ulrichs-fight-club/

>>47873061
>One'mrakul

Why do they keep saying shit like this?

>>47880246
Basically a hivemind thing. Everything is emrakul

>>47879993
And now we've come full circle, you aren't the Squirrel Tribal Stax guy by any chance, are you?

>>47878376
>>47878403
So Yasova Dragonclaw wouldn't be playable in Prossh/Juhnd?
dammit

>>47880296
> going through buddies box
> find that green when this dies each opponent may pay any amount of mana to receive that many 1/1 squirrels

>>47879941

It's so amazingly mediocre. He's a pack alpha that does nothing for the pack. Flips, shoots something for 6 and potentially dies. ETB/flip gives +4/+4. It should have done something, somewhere form your whole team like Arlin.

>>47880368
Any mana symbol on a card (EXCEPT FOR REMINDER TEXT, ie extort)

Counts to its color identity.

Yasova Dragon claw is Blue/Red/Green

>>47880280
Makes sense.

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>>47880419
Ah well, least I got it for 20 cents, so not much of a loss

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>>47880373
Funnest card ive seen in a while, would put in newzuri.

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>>47880496
> Stack a bunch of counters on Newzuri
> Transfer counters on Gyre Sage
> Pongify/Rapid hybridization on Liege
> tap Gyre sage for a shitton of squirrels resulting in even more stacks for Newzuri
> Go get liege back with Eternal witness

>>47880296
Nope I'm a kazuul player that occassionally shitposts here when I remember this place exists

>>47880665
No can do on that play friend, ezuri can't put the counters on himself.

>>47880810
Doesn't he gain an experience counter for each creature that have 2 or less power? With such a ton of 1/1 squirrel he'll gain a ton of counters to hand out afterwards to another creature

>>47880866
The experience counter is a seperate thing from nezuri, sortof like an emblem from a planeswalker

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>>47880866
For experience counters, they get placed on you you the player not your creature, He's not like Kalmne who gets +1+1 for each counter, Ezuri gives counters to his allies at the beginning of combat.

>>47871515
I netdeck when i have a rough draft to see what other combos people have come up with that general, or other cards that work well. Especially when working with a new strategy/tribe that I'm not familiar with.

for example I run an Oloro stax deck, one list had Embargo in it. Wasn't a card that I thought of or came across while looking at Oloro synergy cards since most people build him lifegain/some kinda weird esper thing.

>>47874522

Cryptic command is good but triple blue pips is a perfectly good reason not to run it in a tricolor deck

As far as board wipes go, if you're an all in creature based deck you can go without them, otherwise, yeah, the optimal list plays wrath and damnation (and toxic deluge, and cyc rift)

Snapcaster is really strong but not if you don't run instants and sorceries to flashback

>>47874522
what commander?

>>47881424
dakkon blackblade, its kind of my tax for playing esper in the local meta.

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Would Munda ally tribal be decent? I need a 4th deck to lend out, and I don't have a White deck at all. He gives a little card advantage, and being ally-centric means I can focus most of my budget on good RW support cards because most of my creatures will be worth pennies.

>>47881653
Jesus I forgot how bad he was

>>47881653
If you're thinking of making a cheap boros tribal deck I really think you should consider alternates. Kalemne Soldiers or Giants might be a better call, Munda is hot trash.

>>47881653
you realize he gives no card advantage at all right

>>47881653
don't play munda, build mono white hatebears/stax

>>47881791
Yes do this

Hokori or Thalia stax is the good shit

>>47881006
They aren't placed on you either, they go in the command zone, just like emblems.

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>>47882045
>Experience counters are the second kind of counters a player can have, joining poison.
>a player

>>47879941
My inner Johnny is already finding interactions with werevolves and cards with abilities that don't caount as playing spells. Like cycling, channel, etc. so you can do stuff while transforming your guys. Oh, and lots of flash creatures and instants to avoid playing spells on your turn. I just got a semi thinking about this.

>>47882219
OH, I know, if you need to flip your guys back, you can cast a flashback spell and flash it back.

...Shit, I don't have money for a new deck already.

>>47881791
>>47881805

I've never built/played stax before, any tips/tricks? I also have only played white as a tertiary color, and never monocolored.
Hokori looks amazing, what sort of cards would I run with him/stax cards in general.

>tfw Newrakul is not 5c deviod

>>47882395
here are some sample lists.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kataki-wars-wage-edh-2/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/be-advised/
in general look for cards that deny the opponent of doing something(can't play stuff during your turn, pay extra for noncreature spells etc)

>>47882405
We can only hope that we get a UBRG Devoid Eldrazi legend in C16. We wouldn't be able to run Displacer, but it's better than nothing.

>>47882395
Keep your mana curve as low as possible, below 3 is ideal. Run rocks, and run a lot of them. Tax effects are great too: Spirit of the Labyrinth, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Aura of Silence, Silence, Thorn of Amethyst, stuff like that. Maybe a small Voltron package as a good finisher.

Drought is color specific but absolutely brutal, so if your meta is heavy on black slot that shit in

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>>47882439
>Ground Seal
Holy shit that's the hotness

>>47882604
most of the time it's better than rest in peace because it draws me a card

>>47882495
why?

>>47882662
Gets around Tormod's Crypt too, since Crypt targets the player and not their graveyard

That's some good shit my dude

>>47882706
Yeah, found it during one of my searches through old sets for gold.

I was looking to get some feedback on my
Intet, the Dreamer (Duel Commander)

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-06-16-intet-the-dreamer/

Recent problems that I have had is going balls deep on life and 3/10 times not having a necessary counterspell.

>>47861862
Reaper king.

Probably asked a million times, but:

Is mtg online worth getting? I wanna try out Magic, but at this point don't want to do it irl.

If not, what's the best option?

>>47883718
MTGO can be a massive money sink, I'd suggest picking up duels of the planeswalkers 2013 or 2014 on steam. Decks are pretty limited, but it will give you a decent look at the mechanics without blowing a lot of cash.

I know a few people that have a few thousand into MTGO.

The buy in for MTGO is 10 bucks, and probably another 20 if you want to build a pauper deck.

Commander is casual, but its not really the most beginner friendly format, tends to have more complex interactions than pauper or standard.

>>47883718
Magic Duels is free, try it and see if you enjoy it

EDH is probably not the best format to start with because board states can get insanely convoluted very quickly

would i really suffer if i cut sol ring out of my deck?

>>47884076
depends on the deck

>>47884076
If you accept that sometimes other people are going to get their Sol Ring turn 1 and go off, while you can never do so, then it shouldn't hurt you too badly.

>>47884095
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-great-cycle-v20/

i dont think it would be bad if i did, but at the same time, im unsure

What is the most you are willing to pay for an EDH deck? I find that I will usually buy a super budget deck (around $30 or so) then upgrade it over time to around $300. It seems unimaginable for me to spend more than $300 on a deck though. What do you guys do? What's the most you've spent on a deck?

>>47884630
I will usually pick up the commander and then slowly build from the ground up, I don't really have a limit, I just buys things over time or when I can get a deal.
For example I got a $12 Force of Will. (not in a pack)

>>47884122
Wdh is pretty much sol ring + 99 its just way too powerful to not have and you will be hurting the deck if you remove it, especially since in this case you want a t2 meren

>>47884657
I want to do this but then I run into the problem of me wanting to play the commander but not having all of my deck assembled to do so.

>>47884630
Tappedout had my kaseto deck at 650 from tcgplayer

and my dakkon blackblade deck at around 1600.

>>47884672
Well I kinda miswrote that. I will make the commander and use whatever I have lying around until I can buy things.

>>47884630
I got an ezuri precon and added to it, its upto about $900 mainly because of the foils but still only has normal staples (and no fow or tropical island) my derevi stax is about $600 no foils (also no duals, moat, karakas, mana drain, fow etc etc)

>>47884630
Hokori is my most expensive at around $350. The others are around $100-200

God I hate this hobby

>>47877595
That would be fucking hilarious

>>47884910
>>47884910
New thread

How many wastes are you allowed to use in edh?

>>47885160
99

>>47885199
Its actually way more than that.

>>47885301
How so?