Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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1st for Word Bearers a shit. Got preshading and base coat done, Lorgar be praised.

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>>47848427
>Tennessee cooking has poisoned my guts
What happened?
Also, 2nd for the DG
...aaaalso, am I the only one who thinks about phosphex when it rains?

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>>47846003
>none of the other legions really call out to me.
If you're certain about that, then there's nothing to be done, is there. Just toll a D20 to pick the second legion. Or, more likely, don't bother with the second box. Let someone else do it.

Fluffwise, most loyalists work since the WB were at Isstvan V, Calth (and the rest of Ultramar), and Terra. It leaves out the Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

You could also have them fighting the World Eaters, and you could justify the Alpha Legion too. Or anyone else immediately after the Heresy, I should think.

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>Be DAfag and go on trip with family
>can't get decent(still mediocre because you're critical about yourself) photos because of the trees
>get real tired of these trees
I hear the Primarch calling me.
>>47848484
Those look like you're on the right track.
>>47848538
I think it's just some bad chicken out to get me.

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>>47848588
There are a lot more trees in Alabama and Tennessee then I realized. The Lion would hate these states.

>>47846003
If you're making the 2 armies to allow you to introduce new players to the game, I'd actually suggest going with militia or solar auxilia for army 2. That gives you 2 playstyles and one much easier/cheaper force to build.

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>>47848427
I recently moved to Tennessee and I commute to Alabama. Is- is there a 30k community around here and did they poison you? I'd deal with food poisoning to find a HH group.

>>47848484
Is this literally just the arms from Catarachtii termis on Deathwing Termi bodies?

>>47842930
thanks for the reassurance anon. I just spray painted up my budget dreadclaw and I'm gonna try to get it in a game next week. replacing an AV 14 land raider with a jinking aircraft seems kinda risky but I started 30k because I wanted ~new experiences~ dammit.

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>>47848588
>I think it's just some bad chicken out to get me.
You have angered the spirit of the chicken

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>>47848619
How did that happen? See the evil of trees, my brothers?! They hide the creatures of the night with their shade, witches make home in forests to commune with these abominations, they lure small children into their homes and do horrible things to them, and these smug degenerates try to bribe us with the oxygen they produce!
>>47848636
Nah. I'm just staying till Wensday. Good night, /hhg/.
>>47848685
That could explain things.

>>47848639
Cataphactii legs, arms, back torso, Deathwing front torso, + bits

>>47848576
Those are some amazing looking Space Marines.

>>47848619
>There are a lot more trees in Alabama and Tennessee then I realized
How did you not know there were a lot of trees down here?

Let's do another rundown of each legion's activities after the Great Crusade:

I - DA - Forestry
III - EC - Modern art
IV - IW - Construction, but they get the dirty work
V - WS - Courier-poets
VI - SW - Animal shelter volunteers (okay, realistically they're still watching over the other legions)
VII - IF - Civil engineers and construction crew
VIII - NL - Monsters under the bed for hire
IX - BA - Classical art, modeling
X - IW - Run a popular line of hardware stores
XII - WE - Gladiatorial combat
XIII - UM - Bureaucracy/Administration
XIV - DG - HazMat removal, pest extermination
XV - TS - Magic shows, fortune telling
XVI - SoH - Coaches/business consultants? Kinda stumped with these guys.
XVII - WB - Motivational speeches, city planning
XVIII - Sallies - Firefighting, fire dancing
XIX - RG - Private investigators
XX - AL - Every political conspiracy theory is true and it's their fault

>>47848998
>X - IW
Shouldn't that be IH? Or is this some new meme that I missed out on?

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Sons of Horus (actually "Four sons of Horus") has a Wikipedia entry. Do these correspond at all to the Mournival?
>Imsety - human form - protected the liver
>Duamutef - jackal form - protected the stomach
>Hapi - baboon form - protected the lungs
>Qebehsenuef - hawk form - protected the intestines

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>>47849037
No, that's my mistake.

>>47848576
>>47848895
Something about really old, sort of cruddy models in excellent but clean paint jobs gets me all tingly. These are lovely for sure.

>>47849063
>Loken
>Abbadon
>Torgaddon
>Little Horus

I'm going to assume that the AL will probably be the last Legion to get all their rules printed?
I also have no idea when the next HH plastic models will be released

>>47849835
AL have printed rules, and have had them for a long time.

Rumours say "late summer" so probably before Christmas, maybe.

>>47849835
What? They were in book 3. Dark Angels are likely to be last, the traitors in particular.

Rumor says September.

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>>47849900
>>47849918
Awesome, now i just need to save money

>>47849994
So far they're one of the stronger legions as well

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>>47850013
Yeah i saw there was a cheese combo of 1 pen, insta 7 on vehicule damage table.
But i love the fact Alpharius is a Utility HQ

Any tips on where to start units wise?

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Would you an Erebus?

>>47850049
Buy a bac starter set and 3 rhinos. Work up from there

>>47850049
Read the 1d4chan tactics page, then do this >>47850277

>>47850277
>>47850386
Cheers m8s

Played a couple of games of 30k and looking to start a Death Guard army. How is this for 2.5k? The Reaping rites of war.

HQ
7 man deathshroud squad with rad grenades and melta bombs
Praetor artificer armor, iron halo, The Barbaran Thurible, Digital Lasors, Power fist (master crafted) Paragon Blade

Elite
Contemptor Cortus 2x TL lascannon

Troop
10x Tac marines rhino, melta bomb, rad grenades, add CC weapons
10x Tac marines rhino, melta bomb, rad grenades, add CC weapons

fast
xiphon interceptor

heavy
deredeo Aiolos missile launcher, plasma cannonade
Spartan frag assault launchers, armoured ceremite, flare shield

LoW
Mortarion

Did the Imperial Fists have any variant colour schemes beyond Sigismund's black and yellow uniforms?

>>47850234
He's basically the villain of the story, isn't he. All the other traitors are relatable in some way. Erebus is the saturday morning cartoon mustache-twirling evil-for-evil's sake bad guy.

>>47851001
>The Barbaran Thurible
Relics are only allowed to be used with your opponent permission, just so you're aware.

>>47851001
>>47851311
Forgot to add, so you could drop the Thurible and give one of your tac squads a Power Scythe. Drop the master crafted on the Praetor, and give the second tac squad a Power Scythe as well.

>>47851372
Only independent characters get power scythes.

>>47852200
Sergeants get them as well, they can take a scythe instead of a power fist for the same points IIRC.

>>47851291
No, not really.

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Is there anything that Mechanicum Taghmata has that's equal to the potency of Rapier platforms in terms of less than 100 points and being effective?

I'm trying to come up with some nice little 500 points army lists for Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum Taghmata, but the Taghmata kind of have to go balls in to get the good shit, ie bots, tanks, etc.

>>47852245
Sorry for uploading that HUEG picture file. I didn't realize it was the full resolution.

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Can we make space marine legion versions of this? I'll post the template below.

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>>47852445

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>>47852445
>>47852458

>>47852245
>HH
>500 pts

Also you have auxilia, the fuck you just not taking Rapiers from them?
And to answer your question; as efficient yes, below 100 pts for the same job fuck no.

>>47848427
Anon last thread mentioning the sacrifice RoW made me take another look at it - shame it's Traitor only, kind of reminds me of how the Iron Hands treated puny army units late crusade

>>47848697
Sounds like you need bio-phage bombardment, gets rid of trees real good.

And speaking of Death Guard, I note that Mortarion can throw phosphex bombs twice as far as anyone else - he's clearly an expert pitcher (or cricket bowler, given the DG hail from Albia)

>>47852807
Can't you use it with Iron Hands so long as you "declare" as traitors? Should be as simple as making a note of it in your list. Unless I'm being unbelievabley retarded and misinterpreting the rules.

>>47851311
>>47851372
I did not know that thank you.


How is this list instead? Morty tanks for the Lascannon squad and hunts down anything that come close. With his durability and 10 inch teleport he can be pretty mobile without a transport and take some fire. Apothacaries in each troop squad.

Phosphex War crimes Death Guard list. 2.5k The Reaping

HQ
Siege Breaker 95

Elites
Apothecarion Detachement 1 naked 2 with rad + auguy scanner 165

Quad Launcher support battery x3 phosphex and shatter shells 270

Troops
Heavy support x10 Lascannons augury scanner 440

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Heavy
Sicaran w/ heavy bolters 155

Leviathan 1 siege drill, chem munitions, armored ceramite, phosphex discharger 310

LoW
Mortarion 425

>>47852881
Yes, that would work, just as long as you don't use Ferrus or other loyalists

Which book has the World Eater stuff in it? I'm working on a 40k fandex and am needing some reference points on red butchers

First HH list attempt, did i make any major errors?
--- Alpha Legion - 2500pts ---
- Coils of the Hydra -
>HQ
Dynat, Power Dagger - 205
Saboteur: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger - 100

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger - 165
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger - 165
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger - 165

>Elite
5x Lernaean Terminators: 4x Power Fist, 1x Chain Fist, Power Dagger - 260
Gal Vorbak: 2x Power Maul - 225

>Fast Attack
6x Jetbikes: - 2x MultiMeltas, Sergeant, Power Dagger - 310

>Heavy Support
Sicaran: Heavy Bolters - 155
Scorpius - 115
Scorpius - 115

>Dedicated Transports
Rhino - 35
Rhino - 35
Rhino - 35

>Lord of War
Alpharius - 415
2500/2500pts

>>47848966
More trees than I care for then.

>>47853004

Legiones astartes - age of darkness legions has their rules in them, all the legions have their own appendix with rules/units/RoW/etc

Their the 6th legion listed in the book under appendix 2

When you think about it trees really are the source of all evil.
>Satan wasn't a snake he was the possessing the tree of life and using the snake as a medium
>where do most monsters live? In the forest.
>that scene in The Evil Dead where trees raped a woman
>the Evil Dead took place in a forest
>that one Pokemon that is possessed by the souls of dead children in you guessed it a tree stump
>for every 10 trees there is 100 hippies hugging them

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>>47852445
>>47852458

So is betrayal at calth actually a good starter army?

It seems pretty garbage by 40k standards (tacticals and tacticals and tacticals and termies), but I've been told that's just how 30k is

>>47853591
Legions getbetter with mass, no min swuad spammage.

>>47853591
It's a good starting point.

>>47853591
Tacticals sucking in 40k is due to the existence of asshole formations and bullshit that invalidates many non-deathstar armies. 30k has at the very least fewer of these things, making them much more viable by default.

>>47851291
Every legion did. Just because we don't have a picture of it doesn't mean there wasn't a company among the hundreds of companies in a legion that had one. Forge World has been very careful to leave all the stuff like this very open for people.

>>47853591
Two sets of calth and some kit bashing gets you 4 hqs, 2 regular full tactical squads, and 2 veteran tactical squads, as well as 10 catiphractii terminators, and 4 hq choices. I'd say it's worth it for one even

>>47854053
Wow I said 4 hqs twice.

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>>47854095
The question is, are they the same 4 HQs, or different ones?

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>>47852445
Fuck it, might as well.

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>Legio Cybernetica theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rp-h69aTk

>>47852245
>>47852265
Bearversor vs Medicae SA? What is this?
>>47854148
YES.

How much bear mace would be needed to take down Angron?

>>47848427
do we have any info on if the new book contains updated rules?

>>47853118
>power daggers/10
looks good. you might want to try and find some points for a pair of LC for the Gal Vorbak champ.

I hate morning sickness so much. So. So. Much.
Also, I forgot today was not only Father's day, but my husband's birthday as well. Fortunately I remembered to get him Betrayal at Calth for a birthday gift a while ago, and I can say that me being pregnant is his father's day gift.

>>47854976
Only if you name the twins correctly. what legion does he play?

>>47855199
Well, he's going to start up an Iron Hands legion with BaC as he'd like to play against my Word Bearers with something other than his Orks.

>Only if you name the twins correctly
Anon, don't pressure me! We've still got a while to think up some names!

>>47855299
>Orks vs 30k word bearer
now thats just mean.

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More of my vacation pictures. I feel like making a planet based on Tennessee(mostly Gatlinburg) and Alabama now.

>>47855299
>not calling them Aurelian and Manus

>>47855440
Not my fault! He wanted to do it in the first place!

>>47855453
That's beautiful!

>>47855454
I don't think so.

>>47855453
Looks like you've never seen a forest before. Srsly.
>>47855454
On threads past she rolled for his kid's legion and got an 18, and we assumed (s)he was going to be a Salamander, but then she reminded us she had rolled a D18...and then she found out she was going to have twins.

>>47855492
>On threads past she rolled for his kid's legion and got an 18, and we assumed (s)he was going to be a Salamander, but then she reminded us she had rolled a D18...and then she found out she was going to have twins.

Y'know, looking at it now, that's a whole lot of weird coincidences.

>>47855492
>>47855489

>lil Alphie, and little Omie !
best mum

>>47855492
>Looks like you've never been to a mountain before.
Fixed it for you. I'm fine with the trees now.

>>47855545
>tfw my clothes are starting to not fit
Need to go shopping for maternity dresses soon. That's what they're called, right? Ugh, I feel like I'm starting to get fat.

>>47855554
Aw, thanks! I think we're just going to keep that as a funny little in-joke between us.

>>47855614
> Ugh, I feel like I'm starting to get fat.
Welcome to the next 8 months! 'aint biology a joy

>>47854846
anyone?

>>47855631
It sure is! Now I'm going to go to my friend's house to spend some time with her, see if we can schedule any games and some other things.

>>47855645
Which new book? The Imperialis militia one? Well for a start I'm guessing rogue psykers actually have a points value. Someone on here said they got it at warhammer world and it doesn't seem to have any changes

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>Spent my whole day planning and tweaking my AL list and figuring out how much it would set me back
Not even mad

>>47855784
set back how

>>47855800
Means "cost".

>>47855748
yeah that one. the images on the FW site show psykers are 35 pts. i was wondering if there were any other changes

>>47855800
As in money

>>47855748

Psykers have a points value in the FAQ on the FW site

>>47855942
Yeah I just meant it's actually in the book now

You can tell FW spent a whole 5 minutes making that list

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>>47854133

>>47855957

In the dark age legions book the appendixes for the legions are numbered III, IX, XI, VI, etc instead of I, II, III, etc because FW literally could not be arsed to change the heading for the legion entries from the respective books they were published in, I wouldn't hold your breath for those points

>>47855737
>tfw I forgot she's out of town today.
Well, guess I'll just be on here and maybe readig a book while I wait for my husband to get home.

How long has Black Library been selling ebook versions of 30k army lists?
They have one that includes the 40k rulebook, solar auxilia, knights questoris, militia/cults, and the taghmata.

>>47848427
The errata and FAQs pdf on Forgeworld's website seems to have been updated this month. It now says "updated June 2016" instead of January.

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Does the Dreadclaw's attack hit one unit or all units it passes over?
English is not my native tongue so I'm not sure if "any unit the model passes directly over suffers hits" means "any one unit" or "any amount of units".

>>47856539
If the model passes over 1 unit, only one unit can be hit. If it passes over 2 units, it may hit both. If it passes over 6, it may hit 6. And so on.

>>47855614
Don't skimp on them, you'll still use a lot of them while nursing (easier access) and for the first few months after birth you'll still look pregnant. You'll wish we could grow them in vats like most dark eldar, but you'll recover eventually (if you have time to exercise).

>>47856363
It's very recent. About time... it takes a lot of big books to get some armies' rules together.

>>47853591
I think armies based on two Calth boxes are weak and inflexible. But you do need the stuff you get in one box.

new LACAL when?

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>>47857596
>mfw those NLfags think their supposed "Sworn Brothers" share back their feelings

"In the study, researchers from the MIT Media Lab asked 84 undergraduates in a class to score how well they knew other people in the class. They “asked each participant to score every other participant on a 0–5 scale, where 0 means ‘I do not know this person’, 3 means ‘Friend’ and 5 means ‘One of my best friends,’" as the paper explains. Then, the participants were asked to predict how other people would score them.

Predictably, people thought that the people who they considered their friends would also rate them as friends. But this wasn’t the case. Almost half of all the friendships reported in the survey weren’t reciprocal—meaning that only one of the two people considered the other a friend. This, the researchers note, might be about social climbing: People might be more likely to claim friendship with a person of higher social standing, while people who are popular are more choosy about who they call a friend"

Why do EC hate NL?

>>47857890
Everyone hates NL. EC may dislike them a bit more since they are cowardly, honourless assholes.

>>47857890
EC were recruited initially from noble children
Meanwhile shit lords are recruited from prison scum

>Horus Heresy in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3IJD3md5Uw

>>47857890
They're complete opposites

Before they went off the deep end the EC were noble as fuck, right from the word go - their first recruits were the children of the warrior-nobility of Europe.
They were the Emperor's ambassadors for a time (hence the purple) and fought with honour, they had a rigid structure and chains of command

NL were criminal scum from Terra's prison-sinks (think the prison from the third batman movie) and born amongst people who'd been imprisoned - think what kind of asshole you have to be to be imprisoned during the age of strife on Terra, that's who they grew up amongst.
They were a weapon of terror and retribution, with chaotic organisation and fractious command, fighting as dirty as they come

Also the light and dark contrast is pretty striking here - probably the only legion more "light" is the BA

>>47848576
Damn....
Saved

>>47848576
3rd edition?

>>47858155
I really hate some of the new fluff. It really takes away from how important the primarchs were to the legions now that we know so many of them already acted like they world when the primarchs got found. War Hounds were already berserkers. Night Lords were already recruited from prisoners. Both Iron legions were mechanically inclined.
What's the point of having the primarchs get lost, learn a new culture, and influence their legions when discovered if they don't change much. And it makes things less plausible. The gods of CHAOS were organized enough to match primarchs to their homeworlds with that much thematic perfection? Boring.

The only legion I like more now than before the HH books came out are the Death Guard/Dusk Raiders. They used to be raiding specialists and used excellent tactics, and had a distinct identity.
Then Morty showed up and said, "You're the Death Guard now. You like poison and not having a sense of humour."

>>47858453
Those legions were always inclined the way their Primarchs were because they were made from their geneseed. The Primarchs just taught them how to do it better. I agree that matching the homeworlds was a little to perfect of a coincidence, but you get the best guys to be the best at what they do because it's literally in their genes and then trained.

>>47857890
Curze hates Fulgrim because he ratted on him about his visions of the grim dark future of the imperium, to Dorn.

>>47858453
To be fair Chemos was an impoverished shithole, hardly a world that would have suited Fulgrim and I don't think Baal seemed very fitting for Sanguinius. Also I feel like if they were trying to be thematic than Perturabo should have landed on some perpetual WW1 planet that he united after leading a non-stop offensive over the course of decades to slowly drive back every enemy from hundreds of thousands of miles of trenchworks and static defenses.

>>47858681
To a degree, yes, but half of the fun of having the primarchs getting lost in the first place was the change wrought by the event. Morty's history implies he was intended to be a very different type of fighter, Sanguinious wasn't designed with wings, and if Russ was supposed to be a werewolf, then the writers are sit. The new fluff just takes it too damn far. I mean, how are we supposed to see the NLs getting slowly corrupted by Nostroman recruits if they've always been made up of the worst of the worst criminals? Especially since the Astartes, all of the Astartes, were supposed to be the Emperor's representatives.
Having him reorganize and make due with what he got is much, much better storytelling than, "Wow, good thing nearly every primarch ended up on a planet that trained them to be exactly what I wanted them to be in the first place. Saved me having to train them. Thanks Chaos!"

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Which Legion would be into Rapiers? BAs, DAs, EC, or NLs?

>>47859011
>Morty's history implies he was intended to be a very different type of fighter
How so?

>>47858960
Fair enough, but Fulgrim gut adopted by nobles, the Lion got adopted by knights, and Sanguinious ended up on a planet week suited to his being an icon of inspiration, hope, and the glory of the Imperium.
You got me on Perturabo.

I just find it more engaging if the primarchs were molded into their identity by their new homeworld, discovering what they need to be organically. The new stuff is comparatively lazy.

>>47859105
EC. Seems like something a Palatine Blade would fawn over as the superior form of warfare right before he takes a bolter shell to the face.

>>47859105
EC, hell, they have a unique unit armed with Charnabal sabres

>>47859123
If legions reflect what their primarch's skill was supposed to be, then Morty was destined to be a sneaky raider type, getting an unbeatable amount of troops in place covertly, then unleashing them.
Instead he became the primarch of the destroyer legion, forcing his legion out of their comfort zone and into his.

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>>47858453
>They used to be raiding specialists
Not really, they were named "raiders", but they still excelled at heavy infantry tactics, much like the Iron Hands (who also hailed from Old Albia in their initial recruiting)

Sure, post-Morty they get grim, poison shit, and lessen up on armoured formations, but they were always heavy infantry based, and Mort was a peerless infantryman

>>47859180
Is that the reason he's able to Teleport Behind You?

World Eaters Assault Squad: bunny ears veteran helmets or no? I buy veteran heads because the regular upgrades come with 9 helmets and a bare head and I hate helmetless dudes, the veterans heads are just 10 heads. I've just been cutting the ears off the regulars and keeping the ears on the Sergeant, so as not to confuse them with vets. My Assault sergeant would have a different weapon anyway to differentiate him. Anyone have opinions?

>>47859683
Depends if you have (ideally assault-oriented) veterans.
If you do, leave the bunny ears to them. If not, then the Assault Squad can have them

IIRC, the bunny ears were a Nuceriaian signifier of one lost to combat madness in the arena, so I have to wonder if Angron had them at one point - given how dangerous he was, but also considering that he could lead both a slave revolt and a legion, I'm actually inclined to say he never had them, but it's a fun image

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What is he thinking /hhg/?

>>47860023
Just how many adventuring parties that one rock killed.

>>47852884
Any thoughts?

>>47860225
Is standing at the back of the table eating gunfire really getting the best out of your primarch? You say he can fuck anything that comes near, but honestly if I was your opponent I'd ignore him and enjoy my 400+ point advantage across the rest of the table.

>>47859816
My army fluff is mid-late heresy, where basically everyone has lost their sanity already, including the Spartan driver. Sergeants use the bunny ears as another of those misguided attempts at connecting with the Primarch, not that he really cares. Mostly I just want to cut out the ear trimming step because I'm lazy, but there's always room for army growth so I won't discount veterans for the future. Probably just keep the assault squad bunnyless.

>>47860023
Alas poor Yorick something something Horatio.

>>47860023
Would I rather throw it at Lucius or Erebus?

speaking of which is he a pov character in Angel Exterminatus? because I found him to just be hilarious in Reflection crack'd "oh yeah I'm such a bad ass I can totally beat Fulgrim" then the fight comes and he is just standing there having all the other captains do the work, what a fucking asshole

and still has PTSD from Loken smashing his face

I just realized there aren't any rules for Lucius in HH. They gave a shitty, practically throwaway named Dreadnought rules, but not Lucius. I knew he sucked, but I didn't realize he sucked *that* hard.

>>47860971
hes basically just some random sergeant

>>47861016
He's also the only named Chaos character from 40k without 30k rules (except Ahriman, but his entire legion doesn't have rules yet). Which is basically just Kharn, Typhus(on), and Abaddon, but still.

>>47861205
Fabius Bile

>>47861205
You forgot a certain fabulous apothecary.

>>47861205
Does Bill have rules, I forget?

>>47861247
>>47861251
>>47861252
True, fuck the Emperor's Children in general I guess.

Nobody posted spoilers for the new book? What's wrong with you people?

>>47860023
I THREW A ROCK AT HIM
...it was a big rock

>>47861315
You have them? Post them then

got a question for anyone a bit more experienced with FW Mechanicum stuff:

I did an extremely heavy conversion of two of my Kastellan robots into a single larger, lankier one.

It's about double the normal height and ended up having to mount on an 80mm base, but nowhere near bulky enough in width to be a Thanatar. Is there any automata it would counts as well?

Quick you must stat a DAOT relic that takes the form of a sofa and is capable of destroying a Knight.

>>47861901
... did you drop a sofa on a knight?
Or otherwise destroy a knight with a sofa?

>>47861901
Couch of the Emperor: SD, AP1, Heavy1, Massive Blast, one use only. Can be taken by Xiphon Interceptors, Thunderhawk Gunships, or Fire Raptor Gunships.

>>47861949
No. I just thought if everything was OP in the DAOT then even the sofas must be.

>>47862000
Oh this is lovely. All shall fear the War Sofa!

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>>47861901
Just, like, imagine I've replaced all references to "pony" with "sofa". I can't be arsed to actually do it.

>>47861459
You first.

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>>47862092
I bet Chaos Space Marines can't take these.

>>47862101
I don't have anything

>>47860023
>Skipping leg day that much was a bad idea indeed.

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>>47861814

Pic, I guess.

>>47862467
Castelax maybe?

>>47862467
Looks kinda Domitar-like in terms of proportions. They're taller and lankier than the other automata. Weapons aren't really right, though.

>>47862467
I... am not.... a gun

>>47862964
Fuck you.

... Superman

>>47862738

I am prepared to do work on the weapons if needed.

Would it work as, checking tactics pages, an Arlatax? Maybe if I gave it an electric whip in the non-raised arm?

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>>47859532
Underrated post. Along with some others (like the Iron Tenth), the Dusk Raiders were the Heavy infantry legion. They didn't sneak for shit, they punched your right in the face.
Morty got them to perform that role even better and added things like ZM proficiency, simplified logistics, the Barbaran-recruits-only policy, moar proscribed weaponry and enhanced tactical flexibility to their already defined command order and heavy infantry tactics, >>47858453

Captcha asked for street signs but the pic was a tree branch, wtf?

>>47863061
Arlatax are jump and we don't really know what they'll look like yet aside from being a tad less stout than the Castellax and Domitar (and, presumably, some kind of jump pack). So he'd need a lot more work to look like an Arlatax, since they have two arm guns, a chin gun and jump equipment. By comparison a Domitar just has a missile launcher and that's it.

If you want it to be a good unit I'd go the extra mile and make it an Arlatax, though. Domitars kind of suck when you compare them to other options Mechanicum have and look critically at their points cost.

Was thinking about dropping my Land Raider for my Templar Brethren + Sigismund for a Dreadclaw...these leaves 150 extra points to play around with. I have: Contemptor Cortus with Kheres (150 pts) or 5 man Heavy Bolter Heavy Support Squad with Augury Scanner/AA sergeant (150 pts). which do you think will get more mileage? I'm leaning towards the HB squad because a Contemptor standing next to my Imperial Knights will look kinda "don't talk to me or my son ever again"

What possible purpose does the Thanatar-Calix serve?

It trades a nasty ass weapon for... A S10 lascannon.

And a flame template, on a model which can't run and is proportionately wimpy in melee for cost.

And it costs notably more.

>>47863558
You answered it yourself. It's a bad unit that doesn't fill any roles because it tries to do too many things at once on a slow ass platform. It's supposed to be anti-fortification, but there's better weapons for the job and if you really want to slap a bunker to death a knight does the job better for only slightly more points.

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>>47861901
But all stats would be determined by rolling 2d6.

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>>47859011
>Especially since the Astartes, all of the Astartes, were supposed to be the Emperor's representatives.
The NL were meant to be Emprah's Retribution. They don't need to be nice, but all the opposite, nasty as possible. If they astartes are paragon among men, the NL are exemplars of cruelty, not of virtue.
>"Wow, good thing nearly every primarch ended up on a planet that trained them to be exactly what I wanted them to be in the first place. Saved me having to train them. Thanks Chaos!"
Thanks for fucking up Angron, chaos. A nigga that doesn't obey orders is exactly what I need at the head of the guys that will butcher everything unless ordered not to do so :^)
>>47859129
>Fulgrim gut adopted by nobles
Fulgrim got spared from the Soylent Green baby-grinder by the planet's executives, but he got adopted by the policeman that found him on his superman capsule (a member of the Caretaker chemosian police force).
Fulgrim's early life was spent as a miner, and his engineering genious led him to be the head of the planet's industrial revolution that ended Chemos' food crisis, and the people ELECTED him Executive supreme.

All of that when he was a little older than 15.

TL;DR: Fulgrim was an orphan dude that saved planet Poorfag (who were so poor nobility didn't even exist) from starvation and got elected as the company's president.

Fulgrim isn't a noble, but instead he's a mexican telenovela.

>>47858348
2nd, when plastics were monopose.

>>47862467
Baharat?
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Robots

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>>47863609
Thanks for making my sides hurt.

>>47863609
What if Boxcar Joe were to join Old Man Henderson's group?
30k's Character creation tables are too shallow to create them, right?

>>47864066
30k has character creation tables?

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>>47864080
More like character advance tables, where your dude can get extra traits or get buffed up, etc.

Hey /tg/

I was just looking at the Extermination Campaign in Book 3 and was wondering... do you use RoW in it?

>>47863760
Didn't the ones who found Fulgrim kill another of their number because he thought they should leave him because they didn't have enough resources? But baby Fulgrim was too perfect.

>>47864368
Orphans got rutinarily executed in order to not have any more mouths to feed, if that's what you're asking, and yes, baby Fulgrim got spared because he was too pretty.
They never say orphans got turned into Soylent greens, but it's not too much of a stretch, right?

>>47864118
Anyone have any experience running one of these campaigns? It looks kind of fun, the injury/progression tables aren't as punishing as they usually are for these kinds of things so it looks like it might be really cool.

Ten man IF lascannon squad, overkill or best kill?

>>47864638
How many points? At higher points levels I imagine a 5 man team is going to get shot to death or crippled at 1-2 men left so you need the extra wounds just to keep them alive.

That said they don't all have to be lascannons, right? I can't remember the rules for default HS squads.

So a displacer matrix gives me a +1 to my invulnerable save, but if I roll a 1, I'm put in ongoing reserve. From what I heard from other people, you don't take a wound when you roll the 1?

>>47864232
What else would you do with them?

>>47864691
I think default HS squads do have to pick a single weapon. Mix 'n' Matching is supposed to be one of the perks of Iron Havocs iirc

>>47864876
Yeah, had to look it up, I couldn't remember if that was a thing or not. Single weapon ten man lascannon would be pretty expensive and if they have any AP3 artillery it could be a a very vulnerable target. That said, it's 30k, everything is big and expensive so it's worth a try.

>>47864861

Well, a lot of the RoW things like Force Chart modifications or restrictions don't really work in Extermination

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>>47864463
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Sweet.

do you guys play with standard rules out of the book or use rule formats that tournaments like Adepticon set up? I was looking at the 2016 Adepticon 30k tournament rules and it seems pretty legit. also as a bonus they allow you to take a single Knight as a Lord of War without needing an allied detachment.

>>47859129
>Fair enough, but Fulgrim gut adopted by nobles
No he didn't. He worked in the factories, worked his way up to be the manager and ran shit so efficiently than he eventually was made leader of the planet. He was adopted by people but they weren't nobles and he wasn't given cushy jobs from the getgo like Guilliman. It would actually be pretty cool if the primarchs were actually well shaped by their worlds. Imagine a Fulgrim that is more gruff and pragmatic from his time trying to efficiently run a dying planet.
"paint that armour drab grey, wearing purple will get you shot in battle"
"what the hell are you using this shitty charnabal sabre for? take a power axe like a normal astartes"
"I don't need bodyguards, I'm a fucking primarch have my guards reformed into an elite strike company, have them train when I'm in meetings instead of standing around doors"

>>47864118
Also mentions rules for creating characters though. Roll once for stat boost, roll 3 times on a table of your choice and choose one to be their permanent warlord trait, character costs and extra 20 points.

>>47863760
>but instead he's a mexican telenovela.
A day in the life of Fulgrim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyYVHwve0I

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>>47854372
The flaming wolf skull is the emblem of my Traitor Forge World, while the sallet helmet with the seal of Ostarrin represents the loyalist forces in the sector that are their main opposition.

>>47852655
>HH
>500 pts
I know dude, but my friend and I are starting small with out campaign. Plus it takes a while to paint things, and this shit isn't exactly cheap, so we're taking it slow, and building up to certain points levels together, with roughly equivalent lists.

>>47865481
>Imagine a Fulgrim that is more gruff and pragmatic from his time trying to efficiently run a dying planet.
A few years earlier and that's what the Emperor would have gotten. Instead he arrived after Fulgrim had fixed Chemos and the planet was capable of sustaining some small level of arts and frivolity.

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>>47865640
And here's the heraldry for the Ostarrins

>>47862467
Haha, dick face.

>>47862467
>Don't talk to me or my son ever again

How is this list? its a 2.5k game between Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum

+ HQ +

Anacharis Scoria [Xanathite Abeyant]

+ Elites +

Tech-Priest Auxillia [2x Flamer, 5x Rotor Cannon, 7x Servo-automata]
··Adept [Cortex Controller, Cyber-familiar, Enginseer, Magos Auxilia]
··Adept [Nuncio-vox, Reductor, Volkite Charger]
··Triaros Armoured Conveyor [Blessed Autosimulacra, Extra Armour, Hunter-killer Missile]

+ Troops +

Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple [Enhanced Targeting Array]
··Castellax class Battle-automata [Darkfire Cannon, Two Power Blades]
··Castellax class Battle-automata [Darkfire Cannon, Siege Wrecker]

Thallax Cohort [Ferrox, 9x Heavy Chainblade, Melta bombs, Phase Plasma-fusil, 2x Photon Thruster, 9x Thallax, Triaros Armoured Conveyor]

+ Fast Attack +

Vorax Class Battle-automata Maniple [Bio-corrosive ammunition, Enhanced Targeting Array, Frag Grenades, 5x Vorax]

+ Heavy Support +

Thanatar-Calix Class Siege-Automata [Enhanced Targeting Array, Paragon of Metal]

+ Legion +

Legio [Taghmata Omnissiah]

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>>47865562
This is stupid: How could he leave the house without slapping the maid too?
>>47865640
Ah, it reminded me of Xana's icon

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>>47865640
Mainly because of this.

>>47865835
You have one scoring unit. If you're playing Age of Darkness scenarios and you roll something other than a kill points mission you're gonna have a bad time.

The Thanatar-Calix is objectively bad, but I'm guessing you have the model already so... oh well?

You can take up to 6x Vorax in a unit now, and to be honest I don't think it's worth the points to upgrade their shooting. If you're up against Solar Auxilia the Enhanced Targeting Array could prove useful but Bio-Corrosive is pointless since you'll be wounding everything but Ogryns on a 4+ anyway.

What is the Tech-Priest unit for? Nuncio-Vox can't be used for deep striking if they're in the vehicle, and you don't have any artillery.

>>47855453
Brah. No one gives a shit about your family vacation. This is a 30k thread

Why does the Emperor want to kill all mutants if he basically is one himself?

>>47866044
I think we are just going to do kill points as the match. I don't own the Calix, I just thought it would be fun to use against the Stormhammer he is going to be using.

The Tech-priest unit I was going to group up with teh Castellax group for the Cortex controllers and to buy some servitors for some extra shooting.

The BIo-Corrosive is honestly just something to trim off the last 50 points I had lying around.

My friend and I want to get into 30k and I only own three thallax and two castellax so far. This will be the first test game we will run so sorry if my list doesn't make much sense.

>>47866069
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about my vacation pictures, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in forestry, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Tennessee, and I have over 300 confirmed cut down trees. I am trained in mountain warfare and I’m the top lumberjack in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another tree. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision axe chops the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of lumberjacks across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, seedling. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can cut you down in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in axe combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Lumberjack Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>47866222
And so began Caliban's fall to the Dark Powers of the Forest.

>>47866194
If you need something to challenge a superheavy you're better off with a dedicated tank destroyer or an Imperial Knight (which Mechanicum can take as LoW). The Thanatar-Calix is just bad and doesn't really do anything well. The Krios Venator is one of the best tank destroyers available to any army in 30k so if you're just playing test games and don't have models yet you might want to consider one of them.

I think overall what you need to do is trim back all of your upgrades, see how many points that gives you, and then see what you can do from there. You're spending a ton of points on upgrades for almost all of your units that won't pay off. I'm sure you can probably get more models/units in your list if you cut some of the fat out.

You also probably want to homogenize your Castellax unit a bit. Having a mix of weapons implies a mix of roles, and that's not something you really want them to do. Either make them snipers that are capable of close combat if challenged (with Darkfire Cannons) or make them your line units that close the center (with Mauler Bolt Cannons). The only thing I'd think about taking in mixed quantities would be a Siege Wrecker just in case you need to crack open something big. Also, if you're pushing the line, you want to give them Frag Grenades so they aren't I1 when they charge into terrain (this is assuming, of course, that you're playing with enough terrain).

I'm pretty sure your Ferrox unit is actually not legal, since as far as I know they aren't allowed to upgrade their lightning guns. Either way, again, you want the squad doing the same thing. Right now it's all over the place plus you're wasting points on redundancy - pick either Melta Bombs or Heavy Chainblade, but don't do both, that's just silly.

tl;dr read the tactics section on 1d4chan and learn more about basic army composition and which units are trap choices. Most of the Mechanicum is decent but the traps are very shitty.

>>47866222
Meme response is gay response other guy wins by technicality.
The best way to win.

>>47866517
Although I agree with your very compelling point, I still got trips so, meh :^)

>>47866458
Okay, how is this.

++ Mechanicum: Taghmata Army List (Allied Detachment) (2500pts) ++

+ HQ (315pts) +

Anacharis Scoria (315pts) [Xanathite Abeyant (40pts)]

+ Elites (540pts) +

Domitar Class Battle-automata Maniple (175pts) [Domitar Class Battle-automata (175pts)]

Tech-Priest Auxillia (365pts) [2x Flamer (10pts), Maxima Bolter (5pts), 4x Rotor Cannon (40pts), 7x Servo-automata (35pts)]
··Adept (60pts) [Cortex Controller (15pts), Cyber-familiar (5pts), Enginseer, Magos Auxilia (20pts)]
··Adept (40pts) [Cyber-familiar (5pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Reductor, Volkite Charger (10pts)]
··Triaros Armoured Conveyor (150pts) [Blessed Autosimulacra (5pts), Extra Armour (5pts), Hunter-killer Missile (5pts)]

+ Troops (900pts) +

Castellax Class Battle-Automata Maniple (320pts) [Enhanced Targeting Array (30pts), Frag Grenades (10pts)]
··Castellax class Battle-automata (145pts) [Darkfire Cannon (20pts), Siege Wrecker (20pts)]
··Castellax class Battle-automata (135pts) [Darkfire Cannon (20pts), Two Power Blades (10pts)]

Thallax Cohort (580pts) [Ferrox (25pts), 9x Heavy Chainblade (45pts), 9x Thallax (360pts), Triaros Armoured Conveyor (135pts)]

+ Fast Attack (425pts) +

Vorax Class Battle-automata Maniple (425pts) [Enhanced Targeting Array (75pts), Frag Grenades (25pts), 5x Vorax (325pts)]

+ Heavy Support (320pts) +

Krios Battle Tank Squadron (320pts)
··Krios Venator Tank Destroyer (160pts) [Extra Armour (5pts), Smoke launchers (5pts)]
··Krios Venator Tank Destroyer (160pts) [Extra Armour (5pts), Smoke launchers (5pts)]

>>47866873
Swap the Domitar for The Homonculex (which is just an Arlatax with extra free rules that Scoria gets to bring) and yeah, I guess that sort of works. I think you're still wasting a lot of points on upgrades (especially the Tech-Priests) but to each their own.

Domitars are one of the other big trap choices, especially now that the Arlatax literally does the same thing it does but better. Downside is that the Domitar has a really cool model and the Arlatax doesn't have any model yet.

>>47858453
It's cuz "emperor planned everything including the heresy itself" is canon now

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>>47866953
Aw man, I liked the western shootout robot.

>>47867042
Yeah, it's a shame their rules are so bad. I love the model but even before the Arlatax there was no reason to take them when you could do the same things just as well with Castellax. Now that the Arlatax exists they make no sense at all.

Any idea if the new Cataphractii shoulder plates would fit over Thallax shoulders? I wanted to do some inducted Thallax, and I thought that'd be cool to have on them.

>>47867116
Thanks for the help by the way, may the dice roll in your favor.

>>47848998
>White Scars - Courier-poets
Kek
>Space Wolves - Cops, emphasis on K9 units
>World Eaters - new generation of UFC fighters
>SoH - Mafia/Black market, underworld shenanigans
>Alfa Legion - Telecommunications as well as labyrinthine political maneuvering

>>47849063
>>47849763
Hey, this is cool. I love the little allusions to ancient mythology in the HH.

>>47854148
What's this image showing? A Secutor? Whatever it is it's cool. That music is horrible though, sorry Anon.

>>47867277
>That music is horrible though, sorry Anon.
>>47854148
Don't listen to him, anon. I've been listening to that song for hours now, I like it a lot.

>>47849063
Oh man, what if Horus pulled a Voldemort.

>>47854148
Whoops, forgot link
>Anacharis Scorias's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PXtRZGhhqE

>>47867373
This song sounds like a mildly amazing horse I know

>>47867394
It should, Salvonic is the same artists more serious music line.

>>47860445
I want rites of war but do not want to waste points on an escort plus transport.What is a better way? Limited 30k knowledge.

>>47868905

Take a delegatus Consul if you want it as cheap as possible, otherwise a praetor or Typhon.

>>47868969
Durak Rask is a siege breaker with rites of war. He is perfect for this. This list is 2145 out of 2.5k still the reaping rites. What would be the best additions? Medusa is on theme. No phosphex on it though since it would lose the normal shots.

HQ
Marshal Durak Rask 165

Elites
Apothecarion Detachement 1 naked 2 with rad + auguy scanner 165

Quad Launcher support battery x3 phosphex and shatter shells 270

Troops
Heavy support x10 Lascannons augury scanner 440

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Heavy
Sicaran w/ heavy bolters 155

Leviathan 1 siege drill, chem munitions, armored ceramite, phosphex discharger 310

Plasma cannons or Multimeltas on Jetbikes?

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>>47870035
Multi-melta for tank hunting, Plasma for infantry killing
So kit them out for whatever you want them to kill better

>>47866044
>You have one scoring unit. If you're playing Age of Darkness scenarios and you roll something other than a kill points mission you're gonna have a bad time.
If you have the right setup, ANY mission becomes a kill points mission. They can't score objectives if they have nothing on the table.

>>47867373
I somehow think this fits him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PobgAdPWICQ Or at least it fits a Vs Scoria scenario.

>>47849063
i really doubt it has anything to do with that, it's just this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments

>>47870774
Which is probably the same root the Egyptian urns were drawn from, or vice versa. 4 humours has been a thing forever across the world

>>47866990
Wut

Looks like the Angels of Caliban has been released.

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Why is my Primarch Daniel Craig?

>>47872352
My teacher is an old, smol version of Guilliman. It's hillarious.

>>47870343
>They can't score objectives if they have nothing on the table.
World Eaters strategy in a nutshell, really.

>>47872352
>BTFO-ed by a human admiral above Nuceria
>only survived Calth because the mechanicum saved them
>almost killed by Kor Phaeron, guy isn't even a full marine

your primarch is kinda shit desu

>>47872352
Mark Strong actually.

>>47872593
Oh, has the guy who does the Remembrancer sketches said anything of his inspirations for them?

>>47872484
Dude I just like space Romans, and giant space dad drama.

>>47872593
I think John Cena would make a great Guilliman desu

>>47872484
>>BTFO-ed by a human admiral above Nuceria
Perty's defeat (as in he didn't killed all IF) on Phall set precedent that Primarchs can be defeated by lesser beings in fleet combat
>>almost killed by Kor Phaeron
>>guy isn't even a full marine
This one hurts the most, especially because the only reason he didn't die was because Phareon forgot the Finish Him! commands and started his monologue instead.

>>47872666
I can't remember who they said Horus was based on, Satan.

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Finally picked my legion, just saw Corvus Corax at the 3 wishes festival and they were fucking awesome!
When it comes to his model tho, I know a lot of people dont like his face, and I can see that, but sometimes it can just be a shitty paintjob, cuz on the pic related i doesnt look nearly as bad
So anyone out there know if he can look better with a good paintjob or not?
Also has anyone done a smileyface corax yet? I'd do it myself by my photoshop skills are liquid arse

>>47853591
Depends on your army and how you want to play. Most armies would all benefit from BaC, I'm planning a ravenwing list so wouldn't touch BaC with a barge pole

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>>47872761
I know it's not what you're asking, but here's what he looks like with a helmet on.

(Not mine, btw, just an image I had saved.)

Well, Phospex is my new best friend, since it handed me a win against a World eaters list today

>>47872966
Ellaborate

>>47872736
>Perty's defeat (as in he didn't killed all IF) on Phall set precedent that Primarchs can be defeated by lesser beings in fleet combat

yeah but Perty is the siege and human wave primarch, Guilliman is supposed to be the tactics and strategy primarch

I mean I can buy Angron loosing at chess to a marine or even very gifted human, but if he looses a 1v1 gladiator fight against a 60 pound cripple, well that makes him look kinda shit at "his thing"

>>47873024

used my IW 2000pts list against 2000pts of WE, which was heavily geared towards footslogging over the table.

not only do world eaters burn pretty nice, the extra terrain tests ensured i had a little more time to pour lead into them.
in the end, my 2 Medusa's and 4 Quad mortars killed the majority of his infantry.

>>47872736
Yet some how he fought both Angron and Lorgar in close combat and didn't immediately die. How.

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>>47873078
Hey, I didn't say it, HH3 implied it. But yeah, it wasn't Perty's thing, although mental ability is far more plausible than overcoming Angron's "I benchpress Titans" physical prowess. Furthermore, didn't Macharius fucking outdid Guilliman's 200 years of conquests in less than a decade?
Or Horus', given how it's stated Guilliman conquered the most worlds, but they don't say how many.
>>47873223
>used my IW 2000pts list against 2000pts of WE, which was heavily geared towards footslogging over the table.
>IW
>vs footslogging WE
I understood it right there.

>>47873223
This is why dreadclaws full of angry dudes are clutch. Your opponent needs to learn that fast

>>47872484
>>BTFO-ed by a human admiral above Nuceria
That battle didn't go that well for the World Eaters ship. They only (barely) survived because the WB had a monster ship with them.

>>47873424
Because nobody in Black Library can write. It is literally people masturbating to their pet characters, which is why you have shit like the Raven Guard guy of no importance except he is the greatest space marine evar donut steel.
>Headshots Fulgrim
>Stabs Bile
>Kills Lucius
>Never killed despite all the fuckery he did

>>47874373
I can't hate on someone that BTFO-es Lucius

>>47873425
Crimson Fist novella flat out says that pert would have lost if the IF didn't get that order from Dorn

as for Mecharius eh, the GC conquered some million worlds in 200 years, give or take, if the SMs are responsible for just half of this, divided by 20 that's still some 25k worlds each legion brought into the Imperium, granted most of those probably not through conquest

>>47872352
Is that a bad thing?
You don't fuck with bond bitch

>>47872293
It's very blah. But Dread wing. Ohhhhh dreadwing

>>47874528
Have you read it?
I don't expect much out of it since it's by Gav Thorpe, but I'm very interested in sir Bligh's involvement.

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>>47872352
Why is my Primarch Frank Castle?

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>>47874528
It explores them?

>>47873425
Big Mac got about 1000 worlds in 7 years, though many of these had been Imperial at various points.

Bobby G had his 500 worlds, but that's his mini-empire, not his known total - the Ultras have the "most worlds" record, but purgings, xenocides, space stations and other kinds of victories means that the old fluff for "most victories" being LW, DA, SW in order may still be valid - the DA in particular are known to have fought a huge xenocide that saved the northern imperium, at the cost of their legion's primacy

>>47848427
>I hate Alabama and Tennessee Edition
So you hate AL and TN edition
ALTN
ALTON
Alton
Alton, Illinois

So the tri-reference is to Alton Illinois correct? I use this technique in naming threads as well
but I'm admiring your variation of it.

KV

>>47848427
Fuck you op, the emperor is among is and he coaches for bama.

>>47874454
>I can't hate on someone that BTFO-es Lucius
I'm more angered by the fact that he outright kills Lucius since the whole point of Lucius was that his first death happened after the heresy and it was so good that Slaanesh started turning Lucius' killer into Lucius.

Beyond that I more dislike the fact how he is just thrown achievements that look impressive. Headshotting Fulgrim? I could believe it, Fulgrim is cocky and skill doesn't have any effect when you are dealing with a sniper. Defeating Lucius? Sure, who hasn't defeated Lucius? Nearly killing Bile? Bile isn't much of a fighter anyway. But the fact that he stacks all this shit on one guy over the course of such a short period of time is retarded.

I would have much rather had something like Forgeworld's Moritat Prime dude stalking the EC over years and slowly picking off high ranking officers from the shadows. At least that would have made sense, instead of some random jackass defeating Lucius.

Is there 30k Battlescribe files somewhere?

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>>47874454
So it seems. The average legion conquered about 250 worlds per year (as in annexed, talked down or smashed open), while Macharius got ~143 worlds per year.
>>47874706
I know the 500 worlds aren't the total of his conquests.
And not only the DA fought in the Rangdan Xenocides, but also the DG and Xana. I don't know why I feel the UM were away from it all, busy legion-building.

>>47875049
I doubt Fulgrim would have much issue with a random RG goon sniping him, Horus caught a bullet from a vindicare out of the air in on of the short stories

>>47874799
>So you hate AL and TN edition
I don't know why I read this as "you hate the Alpha Legion and the Tight Nords/Thousand Niggers"

>>47875049
Yeah, it's kind of how the HH has been going recently. Sharrowkyn, Meduson, Pollux, Mor, the writers just love their pet loyalists BTFO-ing the traitors. I guess it's to make up for Isstvan V, or something.

>>47875357
I've got to say, one thing I never enjoyed was them bringing back Loken. I felt like he had an alright death, and it really set the stage for the heresy in my opinion. Bringing him back just felt like a way of selling more book.

Army: Mechanicum Ordo Reductor
Points: 2500 Points
FoC: Matrix of Ruin

Archmagos Reductor: 295 Points
Cyber-familiar
Rad Grenades
3 Phosphex Bombs
Paragon Blade
Power Fist
Machinator Array
Abeyant

16 Scyllax Guardian-Automata: 575 Points
Enhanced Arrays

2x 9 Thallax: 900 Points
3 Phase Plasma-Fusils
Meltabombs

3 Thallax: 150 Points
Meltabombs

4x Medusa: 580 Points
Siege Plating

2500 Points

Basic idea is Medusas blast apart anything tough and coat the battlefield with phosphex to kill and prevent enemy movement, big thallax teams shoot up marines and drive enemy units off of objectives while the small thallax either hold objectives or kill tanks. Finally the Archmagos goes with the Scyllax and charges straight up the middle butchering the biggest enemy unit it can. Tons of strength 4 attacks combined with toughness 5 multiwound infantry and murder machine shooting phosphex and punching things to death should kill plenty, -2 toughness from combined rad grenades and rad furnaces only makes that job easier. Ironically the perfect counter for my list is my own list.

I think some Primarchs need to have Astartes Protection Services called on them. Like Perturabo and Angron.

>>47875855
If we're going down that road I think Social Services may have something to say about how many Astartes aspirants die in training or because their bodies just can't survive the physical changes involved.

>>47875553
Bringing back Cyrene was also silly. It's not like they did much with her.

There must be others...

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FW bulletin up, preview of new legion army list, looks like new type of jetbike squad and centurions and consuls having their own entries listed

>>47876531
So Malcador is now HS instead of LoW...

Any advice for doing a Grenadier spam Survivors of the Dark Age list? Can't seem to figure out a good 2nd Provence, what special weapons to take, or how to fill out other slots.

>>47876531
Strange, I see heavy jetbikes but no Furibundus dreads :^´(
>>47876602
I hope it retained its battle speed rule.

>>47876621
I kinda want to get a Malcador for my Night Lords now. A command tank could be useful if Seeds of Dissent kicks in...

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>>47876531
>LEGION malcador assault tank
BS 4 malcador!

>>47876800
We had that before already, it was just a lord of war.

>>47876621
How can a tank (the Malcador) work for both Astartes and Imperial Army/Guard crews? They're not the same size.

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>>47876878
The secret is that Legion superheavies always have human operators, even when upgraded with Marine crews (fluff the points cost as interior restructuring + attached marine commander).

>>47860023
what bits went into this guy?

>>47876878
Adjustable seats.

>>47876957
>Adjustable seats
Unless the tank has lots of DAoT stuff in it, otherwise the seat actually teleports part of the operator's bodies into the warp in order for them to fit inside. The seats are also what powers the main gun: the plasma capacitors are there actually to serve as a counterweight and heating system.

The stereo powers the threads as well.

>>47876531
Fucking FW niggers, they told me they wouldn't be bringing out a new legion army list when I was thinking about buying the book six and LACAL combo

Only buying recasts and downloading their shit from now on

>>47876939
>BA upgrade head
>jump pack destroyer body
>IF phalanx warder axe hand in a MkIV apothecary arm
>Erebus left hand
>MkV backpack
>BaC shoulder pads
>random bits (skull etc.)

>>47876531
PLEASE BE BASED BULLOCK PATTERN

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>>47877029
Trusting FW's customer service, are we? Srry to hear that.

>>47877029
It was showcased last open day, your fault for not being informed.

>>47876957
And hatches, hopefully. Marines can't get inside those tanks unless they remove their arms.

Might work for Iron Hands...

>>47877056
Its gonna be jetbike chariots.

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>>47877061
>>47877067

>>47877211
Jetbike chariots+bullock pattern= god tier

>>47877021
A weird situation where they're able to pass the operators into the warp to drive the vehicle, but they lost the technology to roll the seat back a bit.

>>47877233
>roll the seat back a bit.
"I do not understand the request. I give teleporting seats, yes?"

>>47874658
Why is your primarch the worst? It weighs on the hear that he's such garbage.

>>47876531
JETBIKE SKY SLAYERS

MY PENIS IS HARD AND CONFUSED

>>47876531
HS Malcador for the legions?
I'm ready, thought not nearly as ready as if it was a Special Weapon Malc (that's separate, not an upgrade, right?)

>>47877214
>doesn't post date
Calm your butthurt

>>47872352
I'm glad someone else saw it

>>47873078
>>47873425
>>47872484
I just read Betrayer. Lotara didn't beat him. She did a bunch of fancy flying, sure, but the operation was a high risk, high reward one and they had the Trisagon, which was the only thing that kept Lotara alive in the first place.
Outgunned Ultramarines ships do a hazardous landing run, cutting past the most absurdly powerful ship and a pair of Gloriana's! Guilliman expected losses and he'd have succeeded in his decapitation strike if audax hadn't taken down his imperator or Lorgar and Angron hadn't been together or half a dozen other such deals. Lotara certainly was competent captain, but it's not like Guilliman got his ass handed to him. And he was on the surface!

>>47872750

Marlon Brando. Dynat is Al Pacino.

>>47877680
Special weapon Malcador as in Malcador Infernus? Currently only the SA can bring them IIRC.

>>47878419
i believe its the infernus, though it could be a new variant to be released, though iirc, the infernus is called a special weapon tank for the SA

>>47878274
Agreed on all counts.

Great book, too. ADB does have an odd habit of inflating numbers, though. “Half a million” people onboard those Abyss-class battleships sounds extreme, and “trillions” killed in the Shadow War is nuts.

Wikia says 26 worlds were more or less destroyed. 1 trillion / 26 = 38.5 billion per world, and that only gets you “a trillion,” not plural. And none of these worlds are described as dystopian hives. So soon after the Age of Strife, when star systems couldn’t count on getting food from other systems, population numbers of that size would be rare. There might not be 1 trillion humans alive in the galaxy at that point in time.

And where’s the Cyrene story going?

>>47858453
>Nurture fallacy
Sorry man, but the Emperor engineering Primarchs and Astartes for different roles, and chaos sending the Primarchs to relevant worlds, is the most plausible scenario, seperately and together.

Besides, the Primarchs DID change their Legions. You can't ask for more than that.

Does the Dreadnought FAQ affest 30k boxnaughts and contemptors?

>>47861289
No Doomrider either. Although I can't really remember if he was a VotLW or not.

>>47878573
No, because it specifies the codices the datasheets are in, not supplements.

>>47859105
IF use them for honor duels

>>47878703
VotLW?
Doomrider only had rules in the short-lived 3rd edition codex (not the widely-loved "3.5" codex).

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>>47862092
That's a real haymaker.

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>>47878419
Yes, the Infernus, as >>47878460 notes, in the SA list it's name is the AUXILIA MALCADOR lNFERNUS SPECIAL WEAPONS TANK.
And, as it's likely to remain a separate thing, to include one it'd have to be allies (though you can at least make a case for it being a Tank Commander's ride...)

While it might not be the most efficient thing ever, I would love to include an infernus, even though it overlaps a lot with the legion speciality.
I suspect a reasonable allied choice would be a Tank Commander Infernus + a Storm Section with a Dracosan, which isn't a huge loss really given that the Dracosan is a fairly nice tank itself

>>47878743
>VotLW
Veteran of the Long War

>>47869668
Here is what I have come up with.
Any suggestions? 2.5k The Reaping Death Guard list.

HQ
Marshal Durak Rask 165

Elites
Apothecarion Detachement 1 naked 2 with rad + auguy scanner 165

Quad Launcher support battery x3 phosphex and shatter shells 270

Troops
Heavy support x10 Lascannons augury scanner 440

heavy support x7 autocannons augury scanner melta bomb 220

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Tac squad x20 Sarge with melta bombs + scythe, legion vexilla, CC weapons 320

Heavy
Sicaran 135

Leviathan 1 siege drill, chem munitions, armored ceramite, phosphex discharger 310

medusa 155

>>47864118
Cut off a bit of Coordinated Strike, there.

>>47878743
Veteran of the Long War. The term may have been made after his rules went out of circulation but it retroactively applies with contradiction. Basically, I can't remember if Doomrider fought in the Heresy or not.

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Did they ever the resolve free chainaxes or is it just something no-one mentions or else the entire thread turns into a shitpost

Also this models if pretty great

>>47878936

The first rule of world eaters is you do not talk about chain axes

The second rule of world eaters is you do not talk about chain axes

>>47878831
>footslogging tacticals at 2.5k

holy shit artillery heavy are going to eat you like Kurze eats baby skin

If you're really insistent on footsloggers, maybe consider Creeping Death instead of The Reaping?

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>>47878936

>>47878936
NEVER, ever bring up chainaxes, upon risk of death by bearversor

but they are free

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>>47878936

>>47878936
I want it so bad. It would be the centerpiece for my Word Bearers.


I hate location/event exclusive models.

>>47878936
>Also this models if pretty great

don't think you can disguise that by including free chainaxes in your post

that model is objectively shit and you should feel bad about your poor taste

>>47879050
>what are recasts

>>47879058
But I like the DAEMONS MOTHERFUCKER arm, yes the axe may be a bit bent and people complain about the face but lets be honest I'm fairly sure if a daemon was popping out of my arm I'd have the same look

>>47878936
Why is he blue?

>>47879162
He's a Night Lord.

>>47879162
He's a NL look at the lightning pattern on the right arm

>>47879077
It's not the same, anon. It's not the same.

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>>47878764
Wasn't there an anon who brought two Chem Infernii and tabled the enemy in a crossfire of AP2 Hellstorm templates? Combined with Reductor Medusae (as to not lose their S10) sounds like a "fuck your land units!" combo.
>>47878906
The AL attacked me and the message got corrupted.
>>47879162
>Why is he blue?
Google Argyria.

>>47879162
Kind of looks like a Night Lord with the cloak, but Librarians have been blue for ages any way - it's a role colour, like white for apothecaries, red for techmarines and black for chaplains

>>47879248
Aren't those colours a codex astartes thing?

Not that it necessarily matters, the way forgeworld are going it'll probably turn out rowboat wrote the codex before the heresy even started or something.

>>47879248
It's a NL.


I feel like it should've been a WB.