Warhammer 40k General

Soulgrinders look fucking ugly/derpy cocksuckers

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FORTIFIED

i don't get the appeal of warhammer
if someone (in this case, me) asked you why you like warhammer, what would you say to them?

>>47841561
Is there a "make a shittier OP image than the last General" competition going?

Barely even 40k related by now, could just call it "40k general memes general"

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>>47841627
Bleak Brotherhood out of fucking nowhere

now get out before we put you out and then mysterious disappear and nobody knew why we fought you or where we are for the next hundred years

>>47841647
Get out.

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>>47841647
Cool setting.

>>47841647
I like big battles amongst d00ds with very well fleshed out backgrounds and fluff. There's few games out there to rival 40k in those aspects.

>>47841656
If you give a shit about the OP image you're part of the problem.

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>>47841656
who the fuck cares

I don't understand why you assburgers are so concerned with the OP image of general threads. it literally doesn't matter, what are you expecting some classy gentleman 40k image so that you can participate in a distinguished thread for fine thread connoisseurs? priorities, my dude

anyway I'd rather see random new images instead of the same bullshit spammed every day

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Tell me about your knights.
What's their wargear?

>>47841561
I just got like 50 cultists from a friend, all without bases. I really need to base them as soon as possible, because my local FLGS is having a tournie on june 24th, im running Typhus plague zombies. What do I do? The nearest time on ebay for that many bases is 25th.

>tfw no centurion to cuddle

>>47841694
>If you give a shit about the OP image you're part of the problem.

So we just sit and take it up the ass by that fucking OP cunt? No, apathy is for cucks like you. If no one calls him out, then it continues on and on.

>>47841730
Do nothing.

You don't paint=you don't play.

>>47841561

I just got on convinced to play papa nurgle

>>47841647
1) it has the advantage of being a fuckhuge franchise that has lasted for almost 30 years so it has nearly neverending content in which to immerse yourself for people who like in-depth experiences
2) creative expression, it allows you to build, sculpt and paint miniature works of art to share with other people in a wider well-developed community
3) wargames or at least 40k is sort of the happy medium between card games and role playing games for me. it's card game-like in the sense that your "deck" is your list and it has a strict set of rules to adhere to, but is more open ended and designed around actual scenarios to act out like in RPGs. add to that narrative campaigns, different types of missions, or just bullshitting with your m8s to see what happens

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>>47841730
hobby store or hardware store. 1" discs.
Prime black lower body, prime white/gray upper body. basecoat guns, skin, cloth, boots, etc. Wash with appropriate shades.

6 total hours for 50 cultists, tops.

>>47841751
The OP image has been shit since someone put together that collage rather than using some 40k artwork like the WHFB, AoS, Malifaux, Infinity and many other threads do with their own relevant artwork. Where were you to complain about it then? Because it's certainly too late to do so now.

>>47841699
>who the fuck cares

>>47841694
>If you give a shit about the OP image you're part of the problem.

I guess I'm just a dull and joyless 'spurger but I believe in at least a minimum standard, that a shitty meme image attracts shitty memeflies.

>>47841759
Its not painting im worried about; he himself actually debased the buggers, and used them for his AoS army. He stopped playing CSM, and gifted me most of his army. Its just that the only thing lacking bases are the cultists.

>>47841751
m8 the point is nobody cares, you're not "taking it up the ass", it's literally irrelevant. chill out spaz.

>>47841822
Well at least two do care.

>>47841805
I am been complaining for a long while but each time some of you cocksuckers tell me to shut up.
Since then things have gotten worse and you know why? Because you enabled the cunt to do it.

So really newfag question here but do the Death Korps of Krieg still exist in the game's rules or is the Astra Militarium still just Cadians/Catachan predominantly?

>>47841833
/tg/ hobbies tend to attract people touched by the 'tism so it aint exactly a surprise that a few are weirdly triggered by stupid pictures on a malaysian goat ranching forum

>>47841822
Piss off with your hurr no one cares. Look at the fucking OP image. This is what your not caring caused.

A faggot forcing an unfunny meme on us in each thread.

>>47841872
Yes.

>>47841883
if we're being honest about 'tism here, the "wacky" names for imageboards piss me off more than any amount of dumb general images

>>47841803
Thank you so much! Ill look into that right away, but if worst comes to worse, I guess I can use quarters for bases.

>>47841872
Only FW.

If you role with them nobody is going to play you because FW is not proper GW and are full of pay2win bullshit.

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>>47841884

>>47841561

I dont get this pic.Can anyone explain?

>>47841906
it does for me too, I hate that cringeworthy meme also but I posted it anyway because I don't know.

>>47841921
40k meme + rule 34 + shitty sci-fi font + shitty 40k General meme.

>>47841706
>Actually playing Knights
shiggidydiggy, dawg.

>>47841937
No, anon, you are the cringe.

Charging is now done during the movement phase. You charge D6", in addition to your normal 6" movement. Pretend units that have special movement rules are changed to fit into this somehow (ex: assault marines can reroll the 6" charge, or can move 12" if they don't charge, or something I don't care).

Y/N?

>>47841914
That's... disappointing. I mean, I also remember seeing a Mordian Iron Guard in one of the old core books I have but I'm going to guess they went the way of the dinosaurs as well/aren't FW.

>>47841910
Good luck. chances are they'll be washers or wooden discs. Both are cheaper to use than quarters, mind.

>>47841813
>a shitty meme image attracts shitty memeflies
No, taking the bait like you are doing attracts memeflies. You are feeding the trolls.

Chaos players!

What list do you run and why?

>>47841950
Go away.

>>47841647
I like tabletop wargames, and there aren't that many to choose from.

I also like good looking plastic models, high levels of army customizability, having an active player base, sci-fi, and various other things that eliminate everything but 40k.

I enjoy the fluff and spin-off vidya, but that stuff mostly is just a factor of popularity and not innately good because it's 40k.

>>47841983
Admech, because you know why.

>>47841914
FW is proper GW, and the FW-exclusive armies are actually shit, except for a single Renegades and Heretics cheese list.

>>47841950
So you want to nerf assault units further? You done fucked up son. If you said 2D6", then sure, but then you would run into the problem of not being able to use assault weapons, which could be worked out, but ehh.

>>47841950
Another fantasy rule.

Sure.

once again proving a superior game system can't do shit in a game about fanciest toy soldiers.

>>47841647
1) The sheer size and scale of the setting is astounding, and the imperium is an interesting study in humanities darker aspects.
2) It explores themes such as the dark ages mythos, (such as the knights templar and teutonic traditions) catholic symbolism and superstition, and russian christian orthodoxy in an ironic fashion.
3) I love gothic and boroque architechture and themes, and the artwork is often wrought with such care and detail that is sometimes jaw dropping.

>>47841983
Nurgle, because I'm cancer.

>>47841974
So it is bait, great, we've acknowledged it's a shitty picture posted buy someone mor interested in shitting up the place than making an functional general.

I recently started a tau army with as little op bullshit to give me an army with a different play style compared to my ba. I thought id check out the tau forum and holy shit the sheer delusion and cheese those people post is beyond belief.

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>>47841921
the original picture is cultist chan (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Cultist-chan) getting her foot licked by a guardsman because "eet ezz the will of the dark gawds". he's licking a chicken because a previous thread had the original image and people said the shitposting was so deep that next time he'll be licking a chicken. the chicken is from the russian proofs meme, which is an ancient meme from krautchan's /int/ board that came about due to russians' comical levels of denial. russians are famous on kc for demanding absurd standards of evidence, any negative statement about russia is met with WHERE ARE THE SOURCES? THIS LINK IS PROPAGANDA, I DON'T SEE ANY GOOD PROOF. /tg/ somehow finally got ahold of this meme last year or so and thinks it's fresh OC. I hope that answers all of your questions.

>>47841983
Possessed MoK, Khorne Berzerkers, bikes w. lord on jugger, cultist meat screen, 16 CSM w/o boltguns w. preacher.

Just wanted to see how bad it was. It was really, really bad.

>>47841647
What the fuck DO YOU like then?

>>47842037
The last time I tried to start a Tau army before getting scared off by a few friends who called me a faggot I remember some kind of battlesuit cheese with fucking huge range railcannons.

Xenos, not even once.

>>47842041
>I hope that answers all of your questions.
All but the most important one.

Why would anyone post it?

>>47842023
The picture doesn´t make the general though, the discussions do.

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>>47842041
how did russian mind-wash-tier skepticism get related to being a chicken?

thank you sensei

>>47842019
also, sometimes its fun to pretend to be the bad guy. It lets you blow off steam and gives you some insight into why people do the rotten things they do.

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>>47842072
because it's a dank meme

>>47842083
oh yeah, russians are associated with roosters/birds because of russian prison slang, a "rooster" is a beta prisoner who gets treated like shit/buttraped so it's a general insult against russians. usually when making fun of russians for proofstering, a picture with the russian flag accompanied by a chicken such as pic related is attached

>>47842041

thank you.

you seem like a smart man.Tell me which faction should I start with.

Has anyone even modeled the chicken yet? If not we need one.

>>47842067
you capitalize the DO, not the you.

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>>47842112

I would like to add that its spread on 4chan is related to Ukranian incident with totaly-not-Russian troops being involved.

>>47842117
whichever one you enjoy the lore/appearance/playstyle of the most

rules change all the time, if you pick the most powerful army today it will be the worst army next year. you should know though, that at the moment chaos space marines, orks, tyranids, and generally assault-themed armies like blood angels are having a really bad time.

So how old are the high lords of terra?

Is there any means of succession should one of them die?

How old is the oldest space marine?

>>47842119
If it's not part of an Inquisition army and has hatred Tau and hatred daemons I want no part of it.

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>>47841561
So I'm building a Carcharodons army, but I'm not sure how to go about starting. As I haven't played SMs before I'm not sure exactly what I'll get in the boxes. Will there be enough chainswords for my tacticals and lightning claws for my termies?

>>47842147
they actually said it was american snipers who fired on the crowd of protestors.

I'm so confused I don't know who to believe anymore.

>>47842037
Its not that hard to get a different feel from the BAngles especially with a shooty army like tau

>>47842161
>How old is the oldest space marine?
Bjorn is 10,000 years old and currently the oldest marine alive. If Ahzek or Khârn weren't living in the Eye they would be holders of "Oldest Spess Marheen". As for the High Lords they can be pretty old. The Fabricator General can be even older thanks to this one Dreadnought-like life extender, but the thing is a Fabricator General will go mad because of it.

>>47842161
SW have a 10k year old Dread. I think Commander Dante of the Blood Angels might be the oldest living space marine. His age isn´t really clear but he seems to be 2k+ years old.

>>47842130
answer the question

>>47842156

I like Eldar for lore(like the spirit stone thing and using their dead warrior) and for being fast.
I like Dark Eldar too because I think their masked models looks nice but on the other hand their models without face cover looks like shit imo. Also fast.
IG seems appealing because they are just regular guys fighting against superhumans/demons/space commies/ayyliens and they are still able hold their ground but I dont like how they are using Russian ww2 tactics.

Not really fan of space marines/CSM/Sisters

fuck this is hard

I wish there were some regular tacticool humans that would win through tactic and equipment and not numbers

>>47842205
No, Cypher is older.

>>47841883
The image is a retarded /pol/ meme, janitors should have banned him by now.

>>47842227
Militarum Tempestus is kind of the elite IG. They're kind of your spec. ops. That said, they aren't really an army on their own, but their new formation is pretty good.

>>47842227
you can play astra militarum without having hordes of infantry. you could field lots of tanks and veterans in chimeras. also there is a supplement faction which is essentially special forces of the astra militarum called militarum tempestus. I've only played against them once but the consensus seems be that they're not so good though unfortunately

>>47842211
not me.

>>47842095
>>47842019
this is me

>>47842161
Oldest Space Marine is Ahriman, if we're counting traitors. No idea for loyalists. Calgar, maybe?

>>47842263
Whatever happened to kasrkin squads?

Dawn of War made me love those guys

>>47842168
Tyberios
10 lightning Claw termies
Spartan assault tank
???
The tactical squad won't include enough chainswords, at best you'll get 1 or 2, but ebay will sell them.
The terimator box will have 5 lightning claw pairs.

Is Ahriman older than Kharn? They both predate the discovery of their Primarchs and were both Captains when they were found.

>>47841706
I see what you are doing with that knight... I'm on to your schemes undead.

>>47842205
>>47842209
so how old is the average space marine once they pass scout training?

how old is the average veteran such as a sternguard or vanguard?

>>47842326
The age difference between them does not matter.

>>47842307
out of production

>>47842263
>>47842273

yeah I was asking about Militarum Tempestus in last thread because I was confused why they have only like 3 models.

Downloaded IG codex and will czech it tommorow at work,thanks

>>47842161
>How old is the oldest space marine?
10100+ years

>>47842227
The irony of the guard is that the dogma of the imperium has left the empire with a near infinite supply of manpower but little else to spare.

Things break down and they are stuck using the most basic and archaic technology and templates because that is the only kind of infrastructure the imperium will allow for that they can actually maintain.

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>>47842316
Excellent. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Would it be too stupid to run all my elite slots as LC termies along with Tyberios' Red Brethren?

>>47842156
>TFW every time I consider starting up 40K I get into a stupid rut of what army is easier to paint vs hardest like a moron
>Or how hard the rules would be to learn, especially with long time vets making fun of me
>TFW I almost want to collect an army just to paint the models for fun and die alone, without mates to purge in cleansing fire

How long did the golden age of the imperium last? (i.e., prior to the horus heresy)

When was it formed?

Whats this I hear about the emperor nuking half of terra?

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>>47841964
Mordian's have, too my knwoledge, always used standard guard rules.
Also >>47841914 is completely wrong and seems to have the mindset common to idiots, four years in the past.

>>47842397
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology

>>47842391
40k's fanbase is at least 50% toxic blowhards who don't understand irony and think its a club for closet fascists. The rest are basically neoliberal eurotrash (and eurotrash wannabes) who get off on shaudenfrued and know its a club for closet homosexuals.

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>>47842119
The high chickens of Terra demand PROOF!!!

>>47842365

like models are out of production?why?

or in fluff IG is not training them anymore?

took some advice from an earlier thread, how is it now? I want to have three rhinos with some type of marines in them for rule of cool purposes

1500 csm

daemon prince
>daemon of tzeentch, power armor, wings

20 cultists
10 csm
>combi-melta, 2 melta, rhino w/combi-melta
10 csm
>2 flamers, rhino w/combi-melta

5 chosen
>5 flamers, rhino
4 terminators
>3 combi-plasma/power axe, 1 combi-plasma/chainfist
helbrute
>multimelta/power fist

trilas predator
vindicator
vindicator

I know helbrutes are ass but I figure I need more anti-tank and armor saturation for myself, it gives me 7 total vehicles. do I need 7 total vehicle though?

>>47842437
But I mean, are the DK really in the official rulings or are they part of FW fluff.

>>47842469
I realize that but it's either this, Sigmarines, or >Warmachine for me.

>>47841947
What's wrong with taking a Knight?

>>47842083
>mind-wash-tier
>says american who still believes 911 and kennedys weren't done by CIA

>>47842518
Warmachine is a fun game with a cancerous playerbase.

So... no different from 40k, except you trade better balance for (subjectively) worse model aesthetics and materials.

>>47842466
that doesn't answer any of my questions. I want to know when the emperor came to power and how long he remained in power prior to the horus heresy.

>>47842500
They're metal and GW is moving away from everything but plastic. They got dropped a while before the plastic stormtrooper miniatures came out.

Fluff wise they're Cadian only and surely still made there. Really it's strange that there's anyone recruited on Cadia that's not already of veteran status.

any dream experts?just had WH dream

>be IG soldier stationed on some frozen world
>patroling outside of base
>cuddly black/white cat follows me back to base
>slips inside to base with me
>commanding officer sees it
>tells me to get rid of it
>answer "by the Emperor it will be done"
>ready my lasgun
>look at cat
>cat looks at me
>wake up

what does it mean?

>>47842336
They should be in their 30s+ after scout training. As for the 'guards they should be centuries old.
>>47842397
Emps didn't nuke Terra. It was already nuked, multiple times way before he got tired of all the nukes and set to build the Imperium.

>>47842518
lol, i know, i was just joking.

I'm actually more eurotrash than most actual europeans. I just think its ironic that so many players don't get that fascism and the dark ages are a bad thing, and can't stop rooting for the imperium.

>>47842469
You sound pretty cancerous yourself

>>47842547
29-30M, after Slaanesh was born

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>>47842518
FW are official rullings and their fluff is just as cannon as anything from GW.
Because Forge World are part of GW.

I just realised I'm using an ironclad as a proxy furioso and a furioso as a proxy ironclad.

You think I should uh...

>>47842547
>that doesn't answer any of my questions

You were misguided, then. Humanity's golden age was long before the rise of the Emperor.

The Dark Age of Tech was humanity's peak, and lasted a good long time before robots started killing everyone. After that was the Age of Strife, and it was shit. Then it ended, and the Emperor showed up, and spent a few hundred years crusading to unite humanity again, then the Heresy happen.

The Heresy didn't end humanity's golden age, it ended the Emperor's 200 year crusade to piece back together humanity's shattered pieces.

>>47842555
Cats clearly wake you up. Your dream means you need to buy a Hello Kitty alarm clock.

>>47842583
By realizing this you should have realized something else, about yourself.

>>47842041
Your maymay knowledge is extensive. Do you have your PhD yet?

>>47842596

To be fair,

I started by converting a furioso to be an ironclad, since they both have two CCWs and a flamer/melta.

Then I thought: "Well I already have a furioso, so I have the frag canon arm I need. Let's use something different for it's body."

>>47842555
I have had a few 40k dreams myself, the strangest being Dorn poofing right in front of me before teleporting away with a confused look on his face. Maybe this video can aid you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk

>>47842583
>>47842596
subtle burn, apply some aloe vera and you should be alright

just kidding aloe vera is a meme and actually has no clinically proven healing properties

>>47842634

Wait, but my toilet roll has aloe Vera in it

Are you telling me I've been eating toilet roll all these years for nothing?

>>47842568
I actually don't root for the Imperium. I'd rather do something like space weeaboo communists or Necrons but I can't deny that Krieg models are aesthetic as FUCK.

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>>47842568

fascism would be better than this multicultural neomarxist hellhole

>>47842555

Obviously, you are suffering from both fatigue and HERESY. Report to your local Commissar.

>>47842684
no, you're supposed to root for the imperium, but in a bad way. Its like rooting for the nazi's in a really bad film, sort of like the Rocky Horror Picture show.

>>47842731
speaking of people who don't get it.

>I just think its ironic that so many players don't get that fascism and the dark ages are a bad thing, and can't stop rooting for the imperium.

You're a retard, Harry.

>>47842825
sure i am.

and you're a fucking genius.

>>47842625
the s4s academy of memes is a trade school, not a university. I do have a graduate certificate and have been practicing as a journeyman memer for the last 8 years tho

>>47841561
The links in the op are fucked. Does anyone have the right links?

I honestly get a kick out of how fucking stupid you retards are. You can't even see how the game is making fun of you.

We go home at night and chuckle while painting our little figurines.

>>47842825

The 40k universe goes to great lengths to explain to you that without the soulcrushing, despotic imperium constantly churning out war and stomping out rebellion the human race is doomed. The rotting, autocratic Imperium and the practical enslavement of its citizens is in response to the incalculable needs to fight endless wars on all front eternally. The Imperium is bad, but it's bad because it HAS to be, otherwise it and mankind are both extinct.

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>>47842835
If you can't distinguish between real life and a fantasy sci-fi setting, with the explicit selling point being "everything is horrible. youd probably rather be dead than live an average human life in this disgustingly oppressive, inhumane, grimdark future" and think its immoral to root for the Imperium, you have to be on every part of the spectrum at the same time you literal autist.
If only your daddy would have used something like pic related, the human gene pool would have been spared your unfortunate existance.

>>47842582
>Forge World are part of GW.

No, different studio.

The chicken is objectively a better meme than johnny. Whereas johnny is pushed mainly by the one blood angels player in /wip/ who never leaves the site, the chicken has no clear owner.

>>47842585
So the empire only lasted 200 years?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Worse than bloody Charlemagne.

>>47842884
>Mankind would be extinct without the Imperium
That's just Imperial Propaganda and you know it. Chaos would never allow that to happen.

>>47842731
good post Ivan, 5 roubles have been transferred to your kremlin.ru account

>>47842884
No, it doesn't. There is a lot of needless suffering in the Imperium. You are suppose to root for its destruction.

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>>47842871
>You can't even see how the game is making fun of you.
Inanimate objects cannot make fun of anything, because they are not alive.

>>47842871
are you talking to the people in this thread or 40k players?

>>47842898
>So the empire only lasted 200 years?

Before the heresy? Yes. It's kicked around another 10,000 since then.

Keep in mind Emps was leading humanity from the shadows since prehistoric times.

>>47842899
Actually, only Abaddon and his ilk don't want that to happen.

The Chaos Gods seek to annihilate all life, space, and time in the galaxy.

>>47842886
of course its immoral to root for the god damn imperium, they are the bad guys you idiot.

>>47842919
the great autismo ladies and gentlemen.

Infer? Figurative? Metaphore?

These words mean naught to the great autismo!

>>47842934
>The Chaos Gods seek to annihilate all life, space, and time in the galaxy.
That's categorically incorrect. None of the Chaos Gods want to destroy all life.

Without life there can be no battle. Khorne is against that.

Without life there can be no plotting. Tzeentch is against that.

Without life there can be no death. Nurgle is against that

Without life there can be no excess. Slaanesh is against that.

Humanity are the primary food source of the Chaos Gods. There's no way they'll get them go extinct. At least not without a replacement.

>>47842374
Don't you love standards? Order that shit non-stock = heresy

>>47842974
>calling someone else autistic when he didn't get a joke

misreading social cues is sign #6

>>47842582
If they really are I don't see why people are getting in a tiff over their shit, and I mean that in a completely stranger-looking-in-from-the-outside since I don't actively play 40K.

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>>47842990
Pic oh so very related.

Yep this thread is going to be horrible. Just for the record how can the Imperium be evil when Nurgle is supposedly responsible for every disease in existence, and smacked a world just for creating a cure for every disease known to man?
>>47842990
You're wrong. Remember the End Times? Yeah. And the Chaos Gods are going to pull that stunt because they have no restraint.

>>47843028
End Times was shit, and you're a shit for using it as a reference. And you know it.

>>47842990
>That's categorically incorrect.

"Bla bla bla I haven't read the fluff"

Your headcanon does not apply here. It's stated that Chaos winning will annihilate all life in the galaxy, the only thing preventing that from happening in the Emperor who is holding back Chaos from hijacking the psychic evolution of mankind and causing a warpocalypse.

You seem to think that the Chaos Gods really care about this galaxy. They don't. It's one part of a much larger universe. The destruction of one galaxy would not affect them at all.

i mean omg, these fuckers haven't gotta clue! They truly and unironically believe that the imperium are the good guys! They ignore every contextual and narrative clue, every single reference to the content matter, they have unshakable fucking faith.

They are like fucking lemmings. Even when you show them all the early stuff from back in the day or similiar works like H.O.L. or judge dredd or pracically any sort of neo liberal rag or pdf from the 90's, they STILL take it seriously.

They are worse than fucking pro wrestling fans

>>47843028
End Times was a special exception, because it was written specifically for reasons related to sales, copyright, and so forth.

>>47843052
Just like Chaos.
>>47843059
They're one of the lesser evils.
>>47843069
Why would idiotic, ominicidal gods of chaos care about one little Galaxy?

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>implying I need any other reason to like the Imperium than their superior swag

>>47843052
You are a shit for spouting your headcanon.

The term "End Times" is found everywhere in 6th ED and 7th ED sources, 40K is heading towards its End Times event provided that the setting advances. It will result in pretty much the same thing that happened in fantasy which is pretty much the Orderfags getting BTFO.

>>47843028
The Imperium is evil and that world that cured plagues is especially evil.

One of Nurgle's main missions in his existence is to create life. When that world cured all diseases they killed off countless species of organisms and halted their evolutionary process. This is what pissed off Nurgle. That senseless genocide.

the mega link for the rules doesn't work.
Anyone have a working link

>>47843095
>Why would idiotic, ominicidal gods of chaos care about one little Galaxy?

Because it's the only one they're allowed? The Gods don't reach other galaxies. They're localised.

>>47843028
No one is purely evil in the 40k universe, well except for maybe the Dark Eldar. Everyone else is working off their natural prerogative.

The Imperium is in a rut because the only person with the mental capacity to fix it is currently using his giant golden ass to plug a hole in reality to prevent another Eye or Terror from opening on Terra.

I mean this is just a segment of the population who are barely capable of preschool level sarcasm, much less understanding sophisticated satire.

And fucking 40k is basically trying to do everything it can do to let them in on the gag, with things like fucking orks and the double headed nazi eagle pin on their logos, and they still just don't fucking get it!

I mean this isn't the Divine comedy, its not Dante' trying to write a satire without being nailed to a fucking cross, its fucking obvious to anyone with half a god damn brain what they are trying to do.

It just sort seeps into there brain, eroding at the foundations of what they believe, ticking away, until one day they just fucking EXPLODE and table flip or go nutz in some rules argument.

Its like they know, but they don't know they know.

>>47843069
>End Times was a special exception

No, it isn't, numbnuts.

The whole Chaos Gods wanting to destroy the galaxy and everything in it has been stated numerous times since 4th ED.

This is a point of contusion in Abaddon's relationship with the Chaos Gods. He wants to preserve humanity and the galaxy while the Chaos God want to destroy them both.

>>47842911
Nice try but I dont think you would find nation that hates Russians more than us

>>47842990
>>47843054
both incorrect

the chaos gods work to destroy everything because chaos is their nature, they would kill the very thing that sustains their existence because that's just the inevitable end of things, they actively seek to cause destruction even when it's suicidal. in theory ending all life would end them, they know this and don't give a fuck. in fact it's mentioned that this has happened several times with several cycles of chaos gods already and pappa nurgle knows this, being the god of death, and sees it his duty to see the cycle through.

source: I don't have it on me atm but it's scattered through codexes of CSM/daemons and main rulebook.

>>47843139
>Because it's the only one they're allowed? The Gods don't reach other galaxies. They're localised.

Wrong.

The Warp reaches into other dimensions, realities, and universes.

>>47843179
Unless you're Latvian, you need to delete this.

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>>47843125
This. This is a reason why I like them. Who needs the other factions when you can have cathedral wearing robots?

>>47843182
That's your headcanon you mean.

The Chaos Gods will destroy this galaxy and move on to the next one like they always have done.

>MFW want to make a Sallies army some day
>MFW thinking about FW pauldrons versus normal transfers
How much of a bad time am I in for?

>>47843165
And I mean sure, It makes us look bad, cause we are looking down on them and shaudenfraud and all that, but after feeling to fucking helpless in the face of the ignorance of these shitheels, it really feels good to just kind of drive the boot home.

and whats more, once they are in on it, they join in on the fun! They start humoring newbies and chuckling at the way they used to be, its like making a catholic conversion, once they finally fucking GET it, they can join in on the fun.

>there are people who actually think being a slave of chaos is worse than being a slave of the Adeptus Ministorum

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>>47843207
good sources

granted I didn't post mine but I find it hard to believe you'll prove me wrong since I've been reading about this shit for years and am 100% certain in my position, but I offer you the chance to correct me

>>47843196
Latvians are cowards and Russian servants

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>>47843059
>They truly and unironically believe that the imperium are the good guys!
The tagline from the word go is that all the horrible stuff has been necessary to continue the survival of the human race. The only people who give a shit about "good guys" in 40k are retards like yourself, because the opening tagline for the game (again, from the word go) has been that the Imperium is a horrible place that churns through human lives without care.

>all the early stuff from back in the day
like this? Tell me, have you ever read Rogue Trader?

It's an absurd setting, but it has also always been played straight.

>>47843267
PARADI KRUTIS

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Would a rule like this restricting GCs be good for 40k?

>>47843247
and it really does shift your perspective a little. It makes you look at the holocaust with a more critical eye and tempers your kneejerk reactions when somebody says "jew" or "nazi".

It doesn't replace them completely, but it puts them into a perspective and shows you that the germans weren't the only ones affected by their own propaganda.

The only ones I really feel bad for are the Brits, cause they truly do not get it. Some of them are just died in the wool monarchists and there really is no getting through to them.

>>47843248
rather be in BDSM cult than get turned into a fucking servitor.

>>47843165
>its fucking obvious to anyone with half a god damn brain what they are trying to do
games workshop started a record label and got death metal bands to write music about 40k

it is not some elaborate satire on fascism

pseudo-intellectuals are the worst

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>>47843247
>shaudenfraud

>>47843269
>The tagline from the word go is that all the horrible stuff has been necessary to continue the survival of the human race.

omfg, but its NOT though! lol, its just fucking not!! Thats the whole god damn POINT! I'm fucking dying here, how can you not get this? I'm fucking rolling dude, i'm rolling on the floor laughing my fucking ass off!

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>>47843250
My source is the 5th, 6th, 7th Ed Rulebook for the Chaos Gods ultimate plan for the galaxy where it's said that after the destruction of all life, space, and time in the galaxy. ONLY CHAOS WILL REMAIN.

You have no sources because it does not exist.

The Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. They can only be destroyed by a more powerful warp being and none exist that can threaten them.

>>47843272
1968 never forget

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>>47842936(you)
>Imperium are the bad guys

>>47843275
Would impact sales/10.

>>47843248
Being in the IG wouldn't be that bad, all things considered.

And if worst comes to worst I can just evaporate my head with a Lasgun. Problem solved.

>>47843269
>has been that the Imperium is a horrible place that churns through human lives without care.

Achshlly the imperium is at the level of modern day earth. so not that bad.

I would know I read the cain books.

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>>47843338
>immortal
>have to feed off sapient races to do anything
Lol enjoy our suicide cult you fucking NERDS

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Why do people think the two headed eagle is a Nazi symbol when it existed before Hitler?

>>47842918

I bet you are either Canadian or Aussie

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>>47843338
>my sources are x
>no link or copied text or screencap of sources

it's like I'm really arguing with hohols about their claim to a shitty tauric penninsula

>>47843330
oh c'mon brother. admit it. don't you feel just a little bit guilty? Just a little?

I mean, as far a schadenfreude goes, its pretty god damn lighthearted, but doesn't it give you an embarrassed chuckle now and again?

>>47843275
>2750
>3250
Who the fuck plays those?

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>>47843337
>omfg, but its NOT though! lol, its just fucking not!!
they've gone out of their way to make it even more the case since RT, actually

>>47843415
I only memed about his spelling of schadenfreude to be honest my man.

>>47843345
This has been pointed out for me by some anon a few days back.

>The Eldar seer qt from the Path series attempts to rescue a human child from danger
>An Eldar shadowseer stumbles upon a family scribes and decides to kill them before they blow her cover. She spots a scared human child among them and is disgusted at the notion of killing a child. She lets the family live despite the danger they pose to her mission
>Shadowsun spares the life of a human child and gets her out of danger

The xenos have empathy even to humans

>A space marine enters a Tau nursery and sees baby blueberries. Gets disgusted and shoots up the place

Humans do not.

Humans are the bad guys.

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>>47843386
Shortsightedness. The same people think the imperium are the Nazi-expy when the orks were that mixed with mongol horde themes and a more overall mockery of the British lower class.

>>47843182
>pappa nurgle knows this, being the god of death, and sees it his duty to see the cycle through.
Let's see some sauce on this claim.

>>47843408
Nigger, you have yet to provide even the slightest hint of a source. Put up or fuck off.

>>47843408
I have screencaps of the fluff sections. I will post them but first you have to promise me that you will type "I am a big moron" after I post them. Kay?

>>47843381
Feed on them but they don't actually need them. Once a creature is born into the Warp, it is immortal. It cannot die unless a bigger creature eats it.

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>>47843421
speaking of fucking dune, who let these fuckers out of their tanks?

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>>47843480
you could have included them in this post

I'm calling your bluff

inb4 old 2e stuff that also says khorne is honorable

This thread so far has been a not funny version of this https://youtu.be/SG7VvMGw6w0

Thats another thing I find ironic about 40k is that nearly everything in their IP has been lifted from someone elses works, yet they are so protective of their IP's...

Navigators: Dune
Power Armor: Starship Troopers
Tau: Manga
Necrons: Terminator Movies
Eldar and Orks: Tolkien (which they own the rights to)

I mean somebody literally had to sit down with a straight face and pitch,
"Elves... IN SPACE!!"

>>47843508
Do we have an agreement? Will you admit that you are a moron if I posted them?

>>47843420
I do.

>>47843444
Space marines hardly count as humans

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>>47843534
40k started out as a parody mishmash of various popular franchises in the 80s, it's not exactly a profound secret that there's literally no original content in the galaxy.

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>>47841561
>it's another Carnac thread
Ah well. Let's just remember that this is literally their headcanon.

>>47843538
the possibility is on the table but I'll need a sample of the product. give me a little taste of the evidence and we'll proceed from there.

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>>47843538
Posting it anyways because why not.

>>47843534
All that plagiarism is why I like this setting.

>>47843444
Space Marines are not human.

>>47843594
>possibility

You are a coward and a cretin. See >>47843601.

Deliver either your admission being a moron or a source to your claims.

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>>47843601
that's it? pfffff, this doesn't disprove anything I've said

>>47843615
According to Iskandor Khayon, Space Marines have a human core in them.

They are capable of inhuman hate but at the end of the day they are still human inside.

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>>47843534
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

Everything is just an evolution or retelling of what came before it.

>>47843637
Disproves the whole cycle crap and that Chaos will die out which you claimed. It's doesn't even need disproving because you haven't even provided a source to prove anything.

The only thing you proven that you a cowardly cretin.

>>47843562
>40k started out as a parody
pastiche, not parody

There is a difference, and it mostly comes down to tone.

>>47843659
>Everything is just an evolution or retelling of what came before it.

uh-huh. And I bet you think that tropes are a wonderful storytelling tool as well.

>>47843688
I guess pastiche is fair, it's closer to that than outright parody. But there are major elements of comical exaggeration such as orkz being soccer hooligans and noise marines being heavy metal guitarists.

>>47843777
why can't it be both?

A guardsman and his mates walk into a bar.

The guy behind the counter asks, "what do you want?"

The guardsman replies, "A couple rounds for my mates, and a shot for myself."

The bartender reaches under the counter and dumps ammo rounds all over the table in front of his mates.

The guardsman yells, "wtf is this shit? Where's the drinks? And where's my shot!?

"Oh sorry."

The guy then pulls out his laspistol and shoots past the guardsman's head.

"There's your shot. This ain't a bar, this is the ammo dump."

>>47843615
Space Marines are extremely human. They are SUPERhuman. This is a pretty common theme to show up in 40k books about marines that aren't just McNeil-tier Bolter porn.

>>47843777
That's mainly because the people making the game were soccer hooligans and heavy metal guitarists. It's not comical exaggeration, just things they find enjoyable.

remember that they signed death metal bands onto their name, and stuck a pub in their head office

>>47843701
nigger you can analyze almost any story that actually works by established narratives, have a read cunt. the entire point of much experimental fiction is to break this mold while not sucking shit, which doesn't work out often.

>>47843839
forgot pic, and now I can't find it, but it was the cover of josh campbell's hero with a thousand faces

>>47843802
hurr

>>47843839
>from the article you just linked to
>"He sets up criteria for art, and ends up condemning Rigoletto, The Cherry Orchard, Wagner, Proust, Joyce, Kafka and Lawrence—the list goes on—while praising Crocodile Dundee, E.T. and Terminator 2"

read a book nigger

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>>47843386
The nazi eagle (reich's eagle or what the fuck it's actually called) doesn't actually even have two heads.
Pic related is the standard of the Russian Tsar. Count the fucking heads, people.

>>47843822
is it possible to be born without a sense of irony?

>>47843893
I didn't post that link, and so the fuck what retard, are you legit implying campbell's hero with a thousand faces isn't . . .

/tg/ sometimes, man

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>>47843933
Posting most superior eagle swag of empire

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This general has been fucking gold for the past few days.

>>47843992
im one lightyear flaccid, i aint covering shit

>>47843937
why does everything have to be irony with you people

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>>47843933
the more famous two headed eagle is the holy roman empire's and I'm prettay, prettaaaaay sure this is where the idea comes from in 40k and much speculative fiction that uses similar iconography

I'm guessing that russian standard is based on HRE as well

>>47844037
They're both based on the Roman Empire.

>>47843386

Well it had me confused as I believe I saw it on the side of a Tiger Tank wreck in a documentary once.

I was wondering what Russian iconography was doing on a German machine and figured it was to show cohesion with the anti-communist Cossack elements that sided with the Germans during Barbarossa.

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>>47843981
>>47844037
Oh, right, the Holy Roman one, too. Still no nazis in sight, though.
Also, Byzantines. Particularly the Palaiologos dynasty.

Maybe the double-headed eagle is a symbol of central emperor-figure head instead of fascism?

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>>47844117
I much prefer this rendition.
And the Palaiologos dynasty coat of arms was also based on Roman heradly, which is to be expected, given that they were, I think, the last rulers of the Roman Empire.
People who think two-headed eagles are fascist heraldry are fucking retards.

We all deserve a pain glove at this rate. I guess I'll just make writefaggotry about Muh special snowflake forge world. Convince me not to name a Warlord Titan for all intents and purposes Boxy Grandpa. I can't think of something too fake Latin so I'm just going to use the Latin words for Box and grandfather.

>>47844037
>>47844117

>Byzantines

Well the Tsars and Imperial Family in Russia did claim lineage to the Byzantine ruling dynasty, a claim that brought them into contention with Turkey who was said to have made the same claim.

>>47844036
because it's less fun when everything is coppery or some other non-ferrous metal

>>47844174
>People who think two-headed eagles are fascist heraldry are fucking retards.

That they fucking are. I can't remember anything about the ancient Romans having double-headed eagles, though, and a quick google search gave me nothing. Did they really use 2headed eagle icons before the middle ages?

>>47844192
>Boxy Grandpa
This naming nomenclature is closer to Halo than anything and I can't help but love it.

>>47844199
>Well the Tsars and Imperial Family in Russia did claim lineage to the Byzantine ruling dynasty
They had lineage to the Byzantine ruling dynasty. Some Rurikid married an Imperial princess.
What did bring tension with Turkey was that they both claimed to be the successor to the Byzantine, and by extension, the Roman Empire.
Russia claimed that Moscow was "The Third Rome", seeing how it became the religious center of Orthodox Christendom after the fall of Constantinoupolis in 1453, which was the "Second Rome", because it was the city from which the Eastern Roman Empire was ruled after the west had fallen centuries before, and was previously the center of all Orthodox, and, prior to the Great Schism, center of ALL Christendom.
The Turks saw themselves as a continuation of Rome because they had conquered the last remnants of Rome.
When the Seljuks conquered Anatolia from the Byzantines, they established a Sultanate and mockingly called it "Rûm", which is how they spelled Rome.
These tensions, especially about what is the de jure capital of the Orthodox faith, would continue until modernity, and would cease officially only a couple decades prior to World War I, if I remember correctly.

Welcome to history lessons with /40kg/

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>>47844315
>>47844199
Everyone knows that both Russians and the Turks are wrong, though. It's Finland with the only real claim to the heritage of Rome.

Anyone got pics of their latest games?

>>47844221
>a quick google search gave me nothing. Did they really use 2headed eagle icons before the middle ages?
Huh, I can't find the one I think I remember now either. Maybe I was wrong about that and it all stems from Byzantine heraldry.

>>47844343
>suomi does it again
VARAHTELIJA

>>47844238
His High Gothic name is Primius Acra(Box)ias Avus(Grandfather).
>>47844315
We need more history lessons.

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albania still uses a two headed eagle for it's flag. I guess it isn't cuck'd.

>>47842568
>. I just think its ironic that so many players don't get that fascism and the dark ages are a bad thing, and can't stop rooting for the imperium.

It's moreso that the alternative to the Imperium is far, far worse, so you pic the lesser of two evils and roll with it. This is especially true if you look at it from a "species survival" standpoint.

>>47844424
>the only country to have ever been defeated solely by Fascist Italy
>not cucked

>>47843444
For every act of mercy from an alien on a human there are a million atrocities
there is no moral high ground it's kill or be killed

>>47844424
>got ottoman'd so hard they're still muslims to this day
>not cucked

oh I am laffin

>>47844462
>reaching back into history for a defeat
I can do that with any country.

>>47843011
>If they really are I don't see why people are getting in a tiff over their shit,

It's because they don't want to lose, as most people bringing Forge World are typically bringing better alternatives to the Codex units. This is especially true for Chaos players, who actually have some awesome FW units, yet many people refuse to play them out of knee-jerk hate.

Also, older people don't look things up on the internet to know what GW has ruled. They only know what comes in the rulebook and what's explicitly in the codices, and that's it.

BEZFRAKCYJNY

>>47843126
>It will result in pretty much the same thing that happened in fantasy

They're not slaughtering their golden goose, anon. If anything, their current moves have suggested the exact opposite of this happening.

>>47844489
NEVER CONQUERED
ALBA GU BRATH

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>>47844036
Who are you calling "you people"?

>>47844515
Yeah, like pushing the END TIMES narrative in pretty much every book released since 5th ED.

/sarcasm

>>47844343
>this image

Scandinavian filth. That is not how succession works.

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>>47844489
oh really? tell me a time when the State of Israel was conquered

>>47844536
I think he's referencing the End Times of Fantasy, which was a specific game approach as well that was designed purely to close out the setting and usher in Age of Sigmar.

They're not closing down 40K in that same way, no matter what they do with the fluff, because they saw the general lack of reception (outside a few locales) to the system and the numerous complaints. They're not gonna tank themselves in the foot here...yet.

>>47844547
>Finland
>Scandinavia
wEW

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I have just finished downloading and screencapping every imperial guard vehicle and formation from every forgeworld book. Who wants rules for what vehicles?

>>47844547
>Scandinavian
Nah, mate, I ain't Scandinavian.

>>47844561
The city of Israel has been conquered plenty of times throughout history.

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>>47844638
>city

>>47844661
Someone doesn't know their memes.
Step it up, senpai!

Stupid question here, but I tried searching everywhere.

Does Aegis defense line come with:
>4 walls
>4 corner pieces

If not, what does it come with?

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Not sure on:
- Rapier Mortars vs Vindicators
- Suicide-melta assault squad in pod vs taking it ObSec troops with inferno pistols
- Drop a Rapier Mortar for some libby upgrades?: ML2/Gallans/Veritas Vitae


Blood Angels CAD (1500/ 1500pts)

HQ [ 1 ]

Librarian, Jump Pack - 80pts


Elite [ 3 ]

5x Death Company - 140pts
> 4x BP/CCW & Jump Pack
> 1x PF/Bolter & Jump Pack

5x Death Company - 140pts
> 4x BP/CCW & Jump Pack
> 1x PF/Bolter & Jump Pack

5x Sanguinary Guard - 165pts


Troops [ 3 ]

5x Tactical Marines - 165pts
> 1x Heavy Flamer
> 4x Bolters
> Razorback (LasPlas)

5x Tactical Marines - 175pts
> 1x Meltagun
> 1x Combi-Melta
> 3x Bolters
> Razorback (LasPlas)

5x Tactical Marines - 115pts
> 1x Heavy Flamer
> 4x Bolters
> Drop Pod


Fast Attack [ 1 ]

5x Assault Marines - 115pts
> 2x Meltagun
> 1x Combi-Melta
> 2x BP/CCW
> Drop Pod


Heavy Support [ 3 ]

1x Sicaran Battle Tank - 165pts
> Battle of Sarosh

2x Rapier Quad Mortar -120pts

2x Rapier Quad Mortar -120pts

>>47844600
Stormhammer

>>47844746

stormlord stormsword banehammer doomhammer hellhammer are all I got out of 15 FW books. You sure that's the name?

Good night guys.

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>Mars pattern is considered the most ancient and superior
I will sue you in Boxy Grandpa's honor.

>>47844948
Apocalypse is fucking nutty.

>>47844900
Night, Anon. May Boxy Grandpa visit your dreams.

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>>47844948
that's because they're talking about the adeptus titanicus titans

the new FW one is neither most ancient or most superior

>>47845006
That's from the 30k Mechanicum's rebook.
>>47845021
Lucius pattern is best pattern.

>>47845036
Allow me to rephrase;
Everything that isn't vanilla 40k is nutty.

>>47845067

That Warlord IS vanilla 40k now.

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>>47845036
get off my lawn

>>47841803
That is so Epic!

>>47844600
Call me retarded, why would you ever swap to the Stubber from the H Bolter?

>>47845067
30k's nuttiness fails to match 40k's nuttiness.
>>47845093
Sorry, Gramps, but the Lucius pattern was the first Titan I've ever seen. It holds a special place in my heart.

>>47845080
I don't even know what to say.

>>47845146
Oh Im retarded its TWO TWINLINKED Stubbers opposed to one H Bolter.

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>>47845153
lucius smushius

>>47845223
What the zog is that thing? Some aborted love child of a Riptide, Warhound, Metal Gear, and something from Power Rangers?

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>>47845309
>people can't recognize a warhound titan

>>47845407
It's that face though. Not a normal Warhound face.

>>47845427
>Not a normal Warhound face.
the only warhounds without warhound faces are the forgeworld ones

Fun inquisition fact of the day: you can get a 5 point assault cannon with 2 extra shots with your inquisitorial chimera. No rending though, sadly.

>tfw no friends or lgs to play at.
>still buying and building stuff anyways.

>>47845771
Make two armies, get someone to try a small game with you.

>>47845771

One day, when I have time again to get into the hobby, I will walk into a lgs with my 10k points of fully painted steel legion and take over three of their tables for a weekend event: every ork player vs me.

>>47845795
True enough. Currently building an IG army, though I think that buying a couple BaCs would be better to make two 1,000 point armies quick. It would let me start up the 30k Word Bearers army I've been wanting to do, but I'm not sure what legion to make the other box.

Finished 3-0 at a 1500 ITC tournament today with a Warpflame Host based daemon list. First time using the new detachment. +1 Strength on the Tzeentch shooting attacks was nifty, especially against Skitarii to cause ID all over the place. Exalted Flamer had all the mobility issues that I was expecting, and I might look into replacing him with more Horrors. Flamers did pretty good, mauling light infantry and acting as fast objective grabbers. Furies might have been the surprise MVP, generally earning a lot more than their measly 35 points in value. Not really sure if I prefer a Lord of Change or a Daemon Prince. The base T6 is a great benefit, but the lack of Telepathy or Biomancy hurts a lot. I couldn't really decide on what I wanted the LoC to do with his powers. Malific just seemed boring, Divination was unlikely to really help him in melee where I wanted him, and Tzeentch just seemed like a waste given that he doesn't get any of the strength modifiers like the Herald and Horrors.

>>47844692
yes
The box has exactly what is one the GW website picture.
If you want to know more, it often helps to search for sprue pics.

>>47845816
>>47845816
Could I deepstrike 4k of Ultramarines on to your tables?

>>47843456
Actually Orks were the germans/nazis in 40k. The toned it down big time, but much is still there. Stickbombs, Stormboys....

>>47845986
Orks were based on skin-heads, not actual Nazis.

>>47845986
Even the dakkajet looks like ww2 German fighter...

>>47845849
Give LoC paradox and it infinitely boosts his psychic utility when rolling on change or malefic.

Exalted flamers are best as back-field weapons platforms guarding horror units from assault or destroying forward armor, and furies are actually great units for their cost, especially now that they let you turn any infantry formation into a detachment.

>>47845986
We're in agreement, although what >>47846137 says I think is partly true as well, GW definitely took queues from British culture at the time and threw them at the orks to see what stuck. I like to think goffs especially are a jokey mix of the rise of racist skinhead culture and the new romantics fascination with nazism. The idea of gloomy characters in drab colours goosewalking about with jackboots on is pretty funny.

>>47841983
A dark mechanicum list with a Warpsmith, a Hellbrute formation, forgefiends and maulerfiends, and cultists to bubble wrap as necessary. It proved pretty effective against a grav spamming White Scar list,but the dice were good to me that day.

>>47841983
KDK and Tzeentch daemons mostly. Partial towards soul grinders, greater daemons, and tetrads

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since the gay new changes in 7th edition regarding swooping fliers and assaulting, are melee daemon princes besides nurgle pretty much useless? what about tzeentch which essentially has 2+/4++?

>>47846734
If you're looking to be hyper competitive then flying slaanesh lash princes are also good.

I'm a new player who got a major Khorne boner watching my Hellbrute rip and tear through the battlefield for the first time.

What do I buy next to keep the blood flowing? Got the chaos half of dark vengeance to start.

Because there was discussion of it earlier in the thread, the Byzantines used the double headed eagle to try and legitimize their claims on both Romes, West and East Rome, Rome and Constantinople.

>>47844871
Yep, u aint got the 30k guard tank.

>>47846734
All princes are still good in assault. The Wulfen relics make Khorne DPs some of the baddest motherfuckers in the game. Slaanesh princes can now take soulstealer and be invincible. Staff of change/warp mutation blade are still worthwhile as well.

>>47847098

I don't play 30k, so that makes sense

>>47847042
I think you should look into khorne daemons so you can use the khorne daemonkin book and encompass all forms of getting skulls and blood.

The start collecting khorne box, although for AoS on GWs website, can be used for 40k without any conversion work or whatever, they're the same daemon units in each game. That's what I'd suggest you get next.

>>47847109
yeah but . . . how do you get them into combat without dying? they can't assault the same turn they switch from swooping to gliding, which means you either switch and just sit there for a turn to get shot the hell up, or start out on the board and get shot the hell up turn 1

some people say the nurgle DP can sorta do the latter but I'm still imagining it's not turbo hard for some armies to get around 2+ cover with sheer volume of dice. same with tzeentch prince which pretty much has 2+/4++ in power armor

>>47847239
Use terrain.

>>47847259
terrain isn't going to give you anything better than a tzeentch prince's pseudo 4++ and I'm still not confident a 4W T5 prince will last against a determine opponent decent long range shooting but eeeeeeehhhhhhhh I want to try anyway

>>47847239
You can switch next to units that are in assault, in terrain, out of sight, etc. Or you just grimoire/cursed earth/impossible robe/nurgle jink save/armor of scorn/invisibility/iron arm/any of the other million ways to can make princes near impossible to kill. You can start some on the table gliding and just mobile death fortress it if you run a tetrad.

>>47847315
I should mention I was thinking more of the vanilla CSM prince, I know daemons princes are still legit

>>47847310
It's less about getting a save and more about avoiding shots entirely by blocking LoS.

>>47847204
I considered that, but I'm trying not to get too many units as once since my friends are buying small armies too. Any particularly fun single units that may be a good buy?

I was thinking of getting a Bloodcrusher or two because I like the model but have no idea how it ends up in play.

>>47844733
Nobody will ever comment on your army lists as long as they are presented this awfully.

>>47846519
I stuck Paradox on the Herald and the Impossible Robe on the Lord of Change. 3++ is just disgusting, and the Fateweaver reroll makes the threat of a failed leadership check a lot less threatening. I guess I could try the Grimoire on the Herald and Paradox on the LoC and just have the Lord of Change fly around the table summoning daemons with Paradox.

>>47846734
For Tzeentch, the Impossible Robe adds a lot of durability, and the Lesser Reward staff boosting you to S8 for 10 points is nuts. Especially if you can get Enfeeble and/or Iron Arm to pick on other monsters.

>>47847373
Seems pretty hard to do since newer codexes can field enough shit to fill up their entire side of the table and see everywhere.

I've noticed this is a problem with infiltrators too. Nowadays infiltrating basically doesn't work to the full effect because there's almost nowhere to hide your dudes out of sight 12" away from the enemy unless it's some single model or a couple of dudes. 90% of the time I end up going with an 18" infiltrate in sight of enemy units. I took Huron Blackheart with the idea of infiltrating marine units in theory but in practice it's impossible to pull off a 12" infiltrate so there's pretty much no reason to take Huron now.

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>>47847491
New thread
>>47847491
The OP isn't shitpost for the first time this weekend
>>47847491

>>47847409
That's fair man, it's just that box is a really good deal especially if you get it from a third party stockist as they knock another tenner off the price. Like your bloodcrushers there are great fun units, but buying a box of 3 is around £28, while the box with the skull cannon and bloodletters is £40.

If you have to get one unit I'd say either a skull cannon or defiler will be right up your alley, they give you fire support and can help your other units get into close combat as well.