HHG (Horus Heresy General)

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>>47799764

Now I’m hijacking this thread to give a little gift away. A week’s worth of hard work finally done, and the last HH thing of mine yet unscanned now complete and ready for /HHG/.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/7kyazsp42320h83/Visions_of_Heresy_V2_1.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2xvrrp5a66gz7m3/Visions_of_Heresy_V2_2.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/v28p7vhr4zl6h9o/Visions_of_Heresy_V2_3.zip

This includes a page from Volume 1 that was corrupted and unviewable in the original release.

And to make sure everything is complete, here is volume one as well.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cbflp1wykvsr42g/Visions_of_Heresy_V101.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u1ll333y9ndd2ee/Visions_of_Heresy_V102.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/fltvv78n7vlbdtw/Visions_of_Heresy_V103.zip

With all that, you get £80 worth of books for free. Seriously, plus shipping these two were over $200 when I brought them.
Now, enjoy the pretty pictures, and don’t shit up the thread. Scanon out.

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All I want is beakies as far as the eye can see. Everyone, everything, clad in pristine Corvus armour, armed with Umbra bolters, driving Deimos Rhinos and Proteus Land Raiders. Not a Terminator or a Primarch in sight.

Just beakies.

>>47799769
Thank you. It's not much, but I can only offer my gratitude. This is very much appreciated, Scanon.

>>47798304
Nope, but I know I would if I tried, which is why any Primarch I buy is going to be commissioned. I'm scared enough to paint Kharn

Curze isn't dead

Guilliman killed a legionnaire

>>47800196
>Curze isn't dead!
>Alpharius isn't dead!
>Ferrus, Sanguinius and Horus were really perpetuals and aren't dead!
>Huge 40k plastic kits for EEEVVVEEERRRYYYBBBOOODDDYYY!!!

>no sub edition

shit /hhg/, make a new one

>>47799769
thanks man

>>47800212
sorry but those 3 will remain dead :(

>>47800221

You're getting a book for free, no other edition has given you that.

Trying to decide if I should give my tac sergeant a power fist or a meteor hammer. He's in a 20 man squad, probably absorbing challenges. On the one hand, a power fist is a power fist. On the other, the initiative bonus could be nice in case I come up against something not using a power fist, and I'm still likely wounding on 2s.

>>47800959

Do you want the enemy to have an armour save or not?

>>47799764
Sorry for not making the new thread guys. I kind slept in late when I should have made a new bread and started packing up for my family trip.

>>47799769
Thanks, m8. You're a saint.

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Post rare Rogals

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>>47801242

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Pick one for you and your legion.
>>47801323
>>47801332
Come on, fellas, don't ruin the thread.

>>47801363
>Come on, fellas, don't ruin the thread.
Can't handle the bantz

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>>47799800
raven guard for you

> you never see the primarch cumming

>>47801323
That one is actually surpringly accurate

Long time Heresy fan here, I'm going to begin purchasing the components of my 500pt army and am looking for painting resources alongside advice on strategy.


I am forgoing a Legion and am instead going to be building a Blackshield army with the following 500pt starting list. It's pretty expensive, but its my starting target, at 750pts the idea is to include dedicated transports alongside some Terminators. After that its anyones suggestion as to what else should be purchased and added to the army.

In terms of lore the spin of my Blackshields will be they are a warband from one of the two redacted Legions, warriors seeking to obtain the power of the Golden Age of technology. Toying with names, I'm considering the Auric Circle or Auric order.


Army Wide Special Rules

Legiones Astartes (Blackshields)
Wrought by War: Chymeriae Attributes: Strength +1, Toughness +1, -1 Initiative, -1"Charge and Run distance, may not make Sweeping Advances.

Total: 501pts

1x Legion Delegatus: +65pts

2x Blackshield Marauder Squads: +436pts
+10 Blackshield Marauders
+18Boltguns
+2 Plasma Guns

>>47799764
>Not Baby-name sub-edition


>>47799800
Alpha Legion. Or Raven Guard. Or Alpha Legion pretending to be Raven Guard.

>>47801432
>501
Well, that's exactly one point too many.

Is there anything you can afford to trim?

>>47799769
Lovely. I won't have access to Adobe again until next Monday, so sadly the nice pdf will have to wait until then.

>>47801461
The Boltguns at +2pts per model, I could cut one of the plasma guns and switch the other to a missile launcher.

>>47801432
Drop a marauder and give your Delegates a power axe.

>>47801015
Sure, getting rid of armor is nice, but the unwieldy gives them a chance to kill him first, especially if they aren't unwieldy. I'm just trying to decide if the benefits of the increased initiative are worth giving up AP2. not a guaranteed kill, but allows me to not risk not being able to make my attacks to begin with

>>47801432
Why a Delegatus since blackshields can't take Rites of war? Save 15 points.

>>47801629
Gives him a master-crafted weapon and two rolls on the warlord chart.

>>47801712
>two rolls on the warlord chart.
I didn't know that, huh, you learn something new every day.

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Painted a chaplain today.

>>47799769
Based scanon, thank you.

>>47802055
Let me say this.

Only Word Bearers kept their chaplains during/after the heresy out of the traitor legions.

I'm sorry, I needed to let out my inner-autist.
Though, it does look wonderful though! Very nice.

>>47802159
He's more of a warden, keeping the Nostraman scum in check.

>>47802159
Not necessarily true. We see in Kharn: Eater of Worlds a chaplain who refined his oratory skills to peach the rites and rituals of the Blood God. I'm sure there are plenty of other unique roles that chaplains could find in traitor legions that make use of their skills, even roles completely unrelated to the chaos gods.

>>47802055
Warped finecast maces like that make it look like the marine is running around slapping people on the battlefield with a giant floppy dildo. Other than that it looks great!

>>47802407
It's metal.

anyone have any experience with shapeways? Wanted to get some luna wolves shoulder pads from the site. Is quality generally good?

>>47802642
If you remind me tomorrow (at work now and busy all evening) I'll post pictures of the IF shoulders I got off Shapeways.

I'm looking at the Praevian and robbits again after the recent changes.

So EC robots can, for a flat 15 points, all get sonic shriekers. That seems really damn good between the boosted charges of LA: EC and reducing enemy weapon skill. Like a good unit of Vorax would be pretty nice.

>>47799769
Holy shit I thought you died

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>>47799769
Praised be!

>>47800196
>Guilliman killed a legionnaire
So Alpharius failed to prove how his more flexible doctrine was superior to Guilliman's. The whole point of Guilliman's and Alpharius' feud was that Guilliman cared about honour and had his rigid tactics while Alpharius relied on extreme flexibility and didn't give a shit about honour. Guilliman killing Alpharius means that Alpharius wins their argument in the end because Guilliman had to resort to Alpharius' tactics and as a result succeeded in killing Alpharius. If Alpharius isn't killed it not only doesn't prove the superiority of Alpharius' doctrine because even when Guilliman resorted to Alpharius' doctrine and took him by surprise Alpharius still defeated him.

Unlike Curze who is an idiot who sees no difference between assassinating a madman and flaying millions of people alive Alpharius' death actually does provide vindication for what he had been saying, tactical flexibility is needed in warfare and honour is a hindrance.

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>>47801242
>>47801323
>>47801363
It's fine. Have some Phalanx pattern Artificer Armour.

>>47801399
>>47801447
Jokes on you, I play Iron Warrios.

though I literally just picked up RG transfers from the post office because I am an indecisive fuck Still going to do Iron Beakies

>>47803346
No tower shield for 5++, 6/10 needs more armour

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>>47803519
That's Tartaros pattern fortification armour, don't overdo it.

Rogal Dorn will forever sound like TTS-Dorn in my head.

>>47803320
But the Ultramarines never defeated the Alpha Legion on Eskrador, Alpharius had trained his troops to operate in case of the loss of their Primarch and the Ultramarines were ultimately forced to withdraw and bombard the planet from orbit.

>>47803653
Guilliman still succeeded in killing Alpharius which was a major victory nonetheless. The battle illustrates the ultimate success of Alpha Legion. Alpharius is only killed when Guilliman follow's Alpharius' doctrine on warfare and Alpharius created such an efficient legion that even with his death they were able to achieve victory. Without Alpharius' death the battle becomes "look how clever Alpharius is" with Guilliman still being proven right (following Alpharius' doctrine didn't help and probably caused more harm than good) and Alpha Legion proving nothing because they were being led by their primarch for the entire battle.

Having Alpharius live would be like Ferrus actually surviving and was commanding and fighting alongside Autek Mor during his campaigns. Takes a ton away from the Iron Hands if they only achieved significant victories in the Heresy when led by their primarch. Autek Mor is no longer the badass who crashed a moon onto the World Eaters, he is just a guy ordered to crash a moon into the World Eaters. Likewise Alpha Legion isn't some super organized legion if Alpharius lives, they are just a legion that managed to win a battle when led by their primarch and their opponent invested a ton of resources into a failed decapitation strike.

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>>47803881

>>47803757
>The battle illustrates the ultimate success of Alpha Legion. Alpharius is only killed when Guilliman follow's Alpharius' doctrine on warfare
Not content with stealing other legion's units and doctrines, Alpharius decides to steal Curze's vindication-in-death shtick.

>>47802159
>what are dark apostles

>>47803757

but how do you know Girlyman killed Alpharius?

How can one be certain that it wasn't just a random Alpharius pulling a Spartakus?

>>47803911
Anon, Dark Apostles are Word Bearers.

>>47803881
Oh boy, my dream of becoming a little girl is becoming a reality.

>>47803757
Your second paragraph would be better if the AL didn't have a twin primarch. Do we have any hint of what Omegon was doing around that time?

>>47803911
>>47803934

Not anymore, Dark Apostles are most well-known with the Word Bearers, but there's nothing stopping them from appearing in other Chaos Legions or warbands.

>>47802642
You still usually get subtle stripes from the printing process. They can be sanded down, but that's difficult if there's detail in relief. I don't think the savings are enough to be worth the added effort, not for pieces that should be smooth like pauldrons.

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>>47802193

>>47803881
Thanks for doing the edit I asked for.
>>47803898
And thanks for using my edit.

>>47804025
>Thanks for doing the edit I asked for.
I was going to make a traitor edit but I can't be bothered right now, I may do it later.

>>47803973
It isn't much in terms of savings, it is more because nobody makes luna wolves bits.

>>47803757
What if Alpharius replaced Gillman and was the one reforming the bureaucracy

>>47803953
I thought Omegon might have had doubts about the whole Chaos thing? I think it was mentioned in some story in which he and Alpharius was starting to differ in their feelings.

>>47804065
What would traitors be? Alpha Legion, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, World Eaters, and Iron Warriors?

>>47804246
the actual legions didn't matter to me as long as they were different. it was the armour mks i was highlighting

>>47804126
That would be too much of a Shyamalan-tier twist.

The female battleship captain in Betrayer is awesome, practically a World Eater herself. I didn't care for Angron or the World Eaters before, but it's a really well-written book. Really brings them to life.

I should wait until I've finished it, but... I've read enough to recommend it.

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>>47804707
>recommending ADB

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>>47804760
Is that homeless bird lady

Do you want another hotpocketing?

>>47799769

Blessings upon your house, scanon.

>>47804760
>>47804929
>Fire the Ursus doves!
I don't know about the others, but Lotara is great.

>>47803320
Alpha doesn't give a shit about honor. So why should Alpharius pay with his life for some dumb argument 'tween him and a meathed brother

Would a sniper veterans squad with a heavy flamer in a drop pod, for rending template fun, be a completely idiotic thing to do? I know Mor Deythan with rending combi-flamers is said to be really deadly, but then they do have 5-10 templates with rerolls to wound to maximise those rends.

>>47805062
Sweet autocarrot, bro.

>>47804707
Can't recommend Betrayer enough. By far the best HH book I've read.

>>47803953
Donating geneseed for Grey Knights?

>>47805159
He's probably Janus, isn't he?

>>47805255
I'd like Omegon to be Janus and Sevatar to be Khyron, but I haven't kept up on BL to know if it's going to be true or not.

>>47805121
Are you retarded? I am not claiming Alpharius let or should have let Guilliman kill him. The idea behind the whole story was Guilliman stuck to doctrine meaning he was easy to predict, giving Alpharius a big advantage. When Guilliman abandoned his doctrine in order to decapitate Alpha Legion's command structure Alpharius was taken by surprise because Guilliman wasn't following his doctrines, and as a result Alpharius was killed in the battle.

If Alpharius wins the battle anyway the story just becomes "Hurr Alpha Legion so sneaky, look at my dank memes, everyone is Alpharius."

>>47805351

isn't that already implied in the fluff?

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Talk me out of turning all my Dark Angels into salamanders /IF

I havent won a single game with them in the last six games, always due to covenant of death

>>47805516

Patience,

wait until the special units come out, then consider changing, but not before that...

>>47805516
No.

You know you must Bear the Word.
Search for the Truth.

>>47802159
>Only Word Bearers kept their chaplains during/after the heresy out of the traitor legions.
Lucius kills a traitor EC chaplain during Isstvan III

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>>47805516
Yes, my son. It is time you take your place as a bearer of the Word. We will bring truth to the Imperium. We will show my father how wrong he was.

>>47805516
But how were you playing? What did you do?

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>>47805600
Guy who beat him here, we do 1500 points and he goes against me being WE and my mate being IW, and it always ends up as my butchers tearing apart his lines and the IW tanks rolling over him, he just needs more anti tank for the IW and more pie plates for the WE

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>>47805516
post list m8

>>47805673
>1500 points
There's his problem, as they currently stand DA cannot be an effective force at such a points level due to their mediocre legion rules and their RoWs requiring a high points investment to play effectively.

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>>47805690
Mmmmhmmm.
Since when the DA wear robes?

>>47805516
Is that the one that encourages you to take more numerous, smaller units?

>>47805690
Not him but most recent was

HQ
Preator- Terminator Armour, Volkite Charger, Paragon Blade, Digi lasers

Elites
Terminator Squad- 1 extra Terminator x3Lightning Claws, sarg has chainfist and multi melta

Contemptor - Two Kherexs Assualt Cannons

Troops

Tac Squad-Legion Vex, Artificer Armour, Calibanite War Blades
Tac Squad- same as above

Fast Attack
Legion skyhunter jetbike squadron- Acid Shells, Sarg has Calabinte war blade

Heavy Support
Preadtor- Heavy Botler Sponsons

Heavy Support Squad- Acid Shells, Artificer Armour

may have missed a few things out but that's the jist

>>47805812
The B@C, it reeks.

How many Jetbikes? I'd drop the Terminators and flesh out the rest. but that's just me.

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>>47805516
Come now, abandon your false Emperor, and accept the gifts of Chaos!

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>>47805911

>>47805901
Yeah that's becuase his is b@c because he's NEET

>>47805901
3 jetbikes, and what would help flesh out the rest? More bodies in the tac squads?

>>47805744
Since forever?

>>47805529
>>47805591
>>47805911

Not sure if 3 separate Word bearer anons or one fanatical Word Bearer anon

>>47806039
So, the Emprah's atheist warriors, first among knights, wore robes since the very beginning? Aight.
>>47806149
Well WBs are fanatical above all else, right?
It's actually an Alpha marine trying to steal your stuff

>>47806149
>implying more than 2 people actually play that trash legion

>>47806149
Nah, I only posted >>47805911

>>47806169
>So, the Emprah's atheist warriors, first among knights, wore robes since the very beginning? Aight.
ever since they became the Dark Angels and not the first legion anymore

>>47803431
Didnt Herty Perty force corax to test all the beakie armour to try and piss him off?

>>47805998
What the hell is NEET?

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Has anyone tried an all Jetbike ravenwing army at around the 3000 pt mark yet?
Were they fun/good?

>>47806372
>Didnt Herty Perty force corax to test all the beakie armour to try and piss him off?
Yeah but someone posted a picture of and Iron Warrior wearing mk6 from an old piece of fluff so it's totally fluffy to have a full mk6 IW army.

>>47806434
>What the hell is NEET?
Not in Employment, Education or Training

>>47806030
Differnet anon but if you want my two cents you should take either bigger or tougher things if you want to stop Covenant of Death from hurting you. Large tac blobs with morale boosting things to stop them from fleeing or being cut down, or Terminator squads in spartans. Also lots of bikes can work too.

>>47806494
>Not in Employment, Education or Training
Does that actually mean something?

>>47806516
>A NEET or neet is a young person who is "Not in Education, Employment, or Training". The acronym NEET was first used in the United Kingdom but its use has spread to other countries including Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.

>In the United Kingdom, the classification comprises people aged between 16 and 24 (some 16 and 17 year-olds are still of compulsory school age); the subgroup of NEETs aged 16–18 is frequently of particular focus. In Japan, the classification comprises people aged between 15 and 34 who are not employed, not engaged in housework, not enrolled in school or work-related training, and not seeking work.

>>47806486
I haven't put my list together fully due to financial constraints but this is what I'm making.

2500 points of Ravenwing.

Xiphon for flyers and emergency anti-tank, meltabombs everywhere for AV15, plasma outriders for 2+ deathstars, every Sky Hunter squad spits out 8 Culverin and 12 Acid bolter shots per turn to deal with tactical blobs, land speeders impede movement and throw haywire shots about until they die. I'll probably end up magnetising the power weapon arms of the command squad to take either swords or axes.

HQ 855pts

Praetor, Jetbike, Paragon Blade, Master crafted Power Fist, Iron Halo, Combi-grenade launcher, Acid Shells, Rad Grenades, Digital Lasers - 265

Command Squad, x5 Marines, Jetbikes, Power Weapons, Combat Shields, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 440

Primus Medicae, Jetbike, Terranic Greatsword, Boarding Shield, Combi-grenade launcher, Acid Shells, Rad Grenades - 175

Troops 1230pts

Jetbike Squadron, x6 marines, x2 Volkite Culverin, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 310

Jetbike Squadron, x6 marines, x2 Volkite Culverin, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 310

Jetbike Squadron, x6 marines, x2 Volkite Culverin, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 310

Outrider Squad, x5 marines, Melta Bombs, Plasma Guns - 275

Fast Attack 415pts

x3 Land Speeder, Graviton Gun - 195

Xiphon, Chaff, ground trackers - 220

>>47806486
40k DAngel: But Venerable Battle Brother, you don't have any robes, how are we going to purge traitors without them?

30k DAngel: Robes? Where were going we don't need robes!

> Travels back 10,000 years, hi-jinks ensue

>>47806372
He didn't like Raven - he disapproved of Corax's reluctance to send his men into the grinder at Horus's orders at gate 41, and only Russ (of all people) stopped there being a fight - and he didn't like the Mk VI, thinking it not protected enough and likely wanting his own heavier design; it's thought that he had a hand in giving the under-strength Raven Guard the armour for field testing, hoping both it and they would fail.
The campaign was a resounding success and the armour got called Corvus, with the RG getting the majority of the early production

>>47803881
>>47803898
What the fuck.

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>>47806730

>>47806589
Acid Bolters are better than Volkite Culverines in dealing with both MEQs and GEQs, and they can do alright against TEQs too.

>>47806843
I did have a justification for the volkites but I can't remember it at all now. I guess I'll change to acid bolters.

>>47803757
The records of Girlyman killing Alpharius weren't even put into the ultramarines history by an ultramarine though. Shit never happened to begin with.

>>47806843

How can acid bolts be better then culverins vs GEQs, they have few shots, don't wound any better, have a chance to not penetrate their armour and don't have cause additional wounds with your wounds, dawg

>>47805998
There's nothing wrong with BAC as a core, it just isn't that great to have your army base solely around it.

>>47806030
More jetbikes, more tacticals, better equipment overall (like lascannon sponsons on the predator). No major changes, just a little bit more and a little bit better. Conversion beamer for the Contemptor maybe? Those are nasty against tanks.

I don't think the big problem is that you're playing Dark Angels, it's just that your army is a little so-and-so.

>>47807075
On hindsight, nope, they're better. They cause about half a wound more...but then there's deflagrate, killing around 4 dudes.
I was thinking more about 4+ save SA when I said it. After all, 5+ is being naked in the bolter millenium.
So, those aren't GEQs. What are they? Storm Troopers Equivalents? SEQs?
Mmmmhmmmm :^)

>>47806843
Acid bolters are also 5 points cheaper a pop

>>47804707
yeah it's great, loved her shooting that marine in the face because he abandoned ship without bothering to tell anyone

although her out thinking a primarch in the final void battle is a bit too much, a normal human shouldn't be able to outmaneuver one, even if it's Guilliman and ultramarines who are rather shit compared to other legions

>>47808082
fucked up those spoilers wanted to put the final [/spoiler] at the end -.-

Extreme beakie enthusiast here, experimented with some stuff for Raven Guard so I won't be murdered over using beakies for everyone else.. Silver sponging turned out terrible, definitely going with another approach. Tried out microsol and microset for the decals following some guide, but not sure I'm quite happy with the results. Was going for a gloss black, kind of hard to take pictures of it though. I think the microsol is still affecting the decals, they're looking a little better... maybe? Hard to tell.

If I get around to putting together another model I'll definitely tone down the chipping and have more deep black surfaces. I was considering doing some weird bullshit with a hint of metallics and tamiya clear blue to emulate the shimmer of raven feathers but it's probably too convoluted for a whole army.

Probably not going to invest heavily in this right now, possibly next year's army though. Any thoughts on the gloss black idea though? Did I fuck up the decals or is this working as intended?

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>>47808153
had to retype the captcha and it ditched the picture, my bad

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>>47808082
Eh, if I were Guilliman I wouldn't have expected smart maneuvering from the WE fleet either, especially after Lotara went after the ship that ended up boarding the Conqueror intending to fire the bear claws.

>>47808082
Solar Macharius is said to have a tactical mind rivalling even Horus. It is not unheard of for a human to be able to operate on the level of a Primarch.

The difference is that Priamrchs excel at pretty much everything they do and may find operating at such high levels easy. Priamrchs may be genius by our standards but that's mainly due to physiological differences. Remember that most of them grew up on backwater worlds probably with little formal education and the only ones considered smart are the ones who had some sort of book learnin' (Magnus, Guilliman, Lorgar, Pert).

This is opposed to someone like Lotarra Sarin or Solar Macharius who are just really autistically good at one thing, military tactics. Whereas Primarchs are their equal or superior but are also charismatic, intuitive etc. Not to mention their physical prowess.

>>47808153
Black's surprisingly tricky. Ditch the gloss for sure - or rather, use it before decaling but then spray a flat coat over it. And a hint of blue is more easily added in edge highlights. Just use a thin line of light blue-gray.

Or you could mix in some blue with your black. It'll barely be noticeable, but it will cut down on the effect of using pure black (which just isn't realistic).

>>47808153
>>47808173
Colour is good and the decals are top notch but RG are more matte black than gloss.

>>47808237
I don't think the gloss in itself is a problem, this looks a fair deal better in person, just impossible to take a decent picture of it. I need to do a second model without the shitty sponging to judge it properly.

A slight blue tinge would be good but not sure how to do it without making it too time-consuming (edgelighting everything) or hard to get consistent results (airbrushing tamiya clears.) I guess I could try mixing the black ink I use with a hint of blue, but I also don't want it to look grey.

If I'm going to paint 40+ tacs before specialists I want it to be fairly straight-forward, need to cut down on unnecessary steps.

>>47808246
Personal preference, doing Black Templars as a side project so wanted a different type of black - plus it stands out from Iron Hands and Dark Angels more.

They also have red lenses but I just think blue looks better.

>>47804707
>practically a World Eater herself
Honestly everyone in the Bloody 13th is a World Eater. The War Hounds are World Eaters. The auxiliary troops are World Eaters. The fleet officers are World Eaters. Even the fucking titan legion is World Eaters.

World Eaters aren't a legion, they're a state of being.

>>47808173

Too glossy and eyes look weird as blue instead of red.

Other than that it's great. It'd look 10/10 as a tabletop line grunt if you changed it to red eyes and matte but that's just my preference.

>>47808880
Khorne, are you a World Eater? Are the World Eaters double World Eaters?

>>47809204
>Khorne, are you a World Eater?
Yes.
>Are the World Eaters double World Eaters?
>The War Hounds are World Eaters.

>>47808880
>Bloody 13th
12th, but other than that you're totally right. And it is awesome.

>>47809204
khorne wishes he was a world eater

>>47809370
12th Legion, 13th Expeditionary Fleet.

>>47808880
The novel Scars opens with a Terran boy who's basically in Summer Camp for future Space Marines (i.e. jog until you pass out). He's always wanted to be a Luna Wolf, but he just misses the cut to get in... and gets reassigned to the White Scars. He's crushed.

But man, imagine thinking you're going to become a Luna Wolf and then they send you to the World Eaters.

>>47809365
>Yes
Now I can sleep soundly tonight.
>The Warhounds are World Eaters
Lhorke and the Libbies didn't act like World Eaters.

>>47809431
>Lhorke and the Libbies didn't act like World Eaters.

and that's why they are in the dirt along with the ultramarines

>>47809384
Amusingly, one of the Ultra's bigger concentrations is the 12th Expeditionary Fleet.

12 Legion, 13th fleet, 13th Legion, 12 fleet

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>>47809465
At least they didn't die with mutilated minds, or live as slaves like their father and brothers. Well minus Haar and his crew, but we don't know their final fates.

>>47805516
You dont play Horus Heresy to win games. You play Horus Heresy to take command of your favorite Legion/Tagma/Militia/Cult/Knight House , create some bitchin fluff for them and fight in the most epic civil war of all fiction.

If you're considering changing your force you're not worthy of the glorious 1st Legion.

>>47809403
At that point you just need to survive the Heresy and join the Hounds of Abaddon.

>>47809675
He wants to be a luna wolf, not an armless failure.

>>47809431
Didn't a marine say he wanted someone to piss on Angron's grave for him as he lay dying?

>>47809740
That sounds like something that has happened. I don't know where it's from though if it did happen.

>>47809762
Betrayer, maybe?

>>47809740
>>47809805
Yeah, in Betrayer. His own legion hated Angron, even if they sometimes admired him.

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>>47809403
>Imagine you're a War Hound and they become the World Eaters
mfw

>>47810108
There's a lot of hot marines in these books.

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>>47799769
Based anon, you are truly a wonderful person. Keep being you.

>>47803881
Beautiful.

>>47810154
grizzly square jawed dudes are attractive

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>>47810303
>>47810154
Hot damn

>>47810349
Those scars are pretty damn nice.

>>47806149
Separate Bearers of the Word. I'm Holy Fucking Lorgar.

Alright 30k general, I need ideas for stats. Specifically, Kelbor Hal.

Where should he be on the power scale? Primarch slaying like Scoria?

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>>47810921
He obviously has the best relic-grade gear ever, given how he adapted Horus' claw for his use and the latter gifted him some STC fragment of power armour making.
Nevertheless, he'd be less choppy and daemonic than Scoria.

>>47810985
He only changed Horus's armor, not the Talon.

>>47799769
God king of /hhg/
PRAISE HIM

>>47811226
The Scan Emperor of pdf-kind?

>>47810921
I imagine him having more goodies than Scoria, but not as stronk.

>>47802642
The stripes on the pads from cutting are a pain in the ass to remove. I got some dark angeks ones... maybe all the little wing bits made it worse.
If FW makes some for your legion, I would stick with them

Which legion would be into ragtime? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkTTb4IBCNQ

>>47805516
Stop whining and play a harder game then.
Or run off with the cowards and join the 'Spartan deathstar solve all problemz' crowd.
You don't deserve the 1st.

>>47805690
That conversion is awesome.

>>47805713
This.
Shit HH at 1500 is kind of ridiculous unless you are playing Zone Mortalis

>>47806486
Hats off to the anon who puts that army together
Even China man charges the shit out of jetbikes.

>>47811539
What's your way of resolving all problemz?

>>47811664
Please tell me the last time you saw a Salamander list with obligatory eternal warrior praetor + fire drakes + Spartan. Add Vulkan to taste.
...
That's what I thought.

So what were those things on Barbarus?

>>47811821
Aliens or mutants that made Mortarion more human than you and me.

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>>47811821
Necromancers. Probably giant and inhuman after millenia of isolation.

>>47812188
>implying the Imperium can beat endless bone wall spam

>>47812540
But, Anon, the Imperium has endless meatwall spam.

>>47812540
Teleport is Deep Strike.
>Using Bone Wall
Necro is beginning to bore me, muh skellies do everything. Exploding corpses is nice though.

>>47812568
>endless meatwall spam.
That's only the IG. Dorn does have endless wall spam, but that goes with him being able to feel every wall and wall like thing in the galaxy.

>>47812639
Primarchs are inherently psychic creatures.
Dorn is proficient in Wallomancy.

>>47812622
>not spamming level 1 bone wall and Iron Maiden to automatically beat non-Enigma users in PvP
>not blocking the entrance to town with bonewalls so people can't even leave town to teleport and fight

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>>47812690
So what is Rowboat's proficiency?

>>47812639
>>47812690
>7 Ways To Tell If Rogal Dorn Is Fortifying Your Position Right Now!

>>47812778
>This man is building the best walls. The Traitors hate him! Here's his secret.
>>47812739
>PvP
The Burning Hells are spilling forth into this reality and you keep fighting among yourselves?

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>>47812778
Does this count as a wall?

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>>47812755
inb4 Imperium Secundus

>>47812822
A wall of nope doesn't deterr power armoured troops so easily, and can be destroyed by a flamer, so I'd say not really.
It counts as razor wire in Dangerous Terrain.
Model them, do it!

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>>47812827
Thanks.
>>47812850
It sounds like a NL made fortification.

>>47812878
I read fortification as fanfiction at first and was very confused. What would they even write?

>>47812639
Since Mortarion can't see walls does he know Dorn exists?

>>47812822
According to Gatherer the is, as yet, no such thing as a Spider Wall. So, no, not a wall.

>>47811493
>Legion
>ragtime

I could see dark angels being into it. Only if it helps with their comical searches for Cypher. Like the benny hill theme.

>"By the Emperor! It's Cypher! get em lads!"
>cue scooby doo chase scene.

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>>47813185
Dorn is both wall and man. As such, Morty sees him sometimes, sometimes not.
>>47813228
>According to Gatherer the is, as yet, no such thing as a Spider Wall. So, no, not a wall.
They haven't Dorned enough. Btw, why Dorn has neither a power fist not a storm shield in the game?

>>47812939
Edgy stuff. Things that makes Curzefag horny.
>>47813185
He knows Dorn exists but he doesn't see him.
>>47813228
Say what now?
>>47813355
I'm loving the mental image here.
>>47813381
Because Dorn doesn't want to be too special.

>>47813467
>Edgy stuff. Things that makes Curzefag horny.
My Perpetual 30k?

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>>47813539
Kek. Well I got to turn in early now as I got a trip with my family, but apply this to 30k and match each Knight with a unit in the game that fits well. The Black Knight is probably Reavers and Justaerians.

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>>47813689
That one missed a few Kniggas.

>>47801550
Nice idea, juicy juicy str 7 ap 2 strikes.

>>47801629

Centurions have to be upgraded to a consul right? The two rolls + the master crafted weapon where what I was going for.

Water Knight+Magic Knight+Magic-Knigga+Wizard Knight=Librarians.
Axe Knight+Barbarian Knight+Red Knight+Twin Sword Knight=World Eaters.
Carshop Knight + Robbo Knight= Tech marines or Iron Hands.

Scanon you are a GOD.

Long live Emperor Scanon :)

Thanks to infinity.

holy shit. knight anon here. trying to paint yellow for the first time on top of a black basecoat is killing me. which paints should I be using? I'm priming chaos black, doing a very light coat of celestra grey, and I think I fucked up by using flash gitz yellow. as soon as it's thick enough, it's TOO thick. fuck my life I'm about to pay somebody else to paint my army...

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>>47814545
pic related is what I'm going for.

>>47814566
Ask the /wip/ thread, mate.

>>47808153
>>47808173

I quite like the gloss black as an idea, and I can see how it could work, but I think it isn't quite there. I reckon that if you made the weathering more of a matt grey instead of metallic, so that you got the contrast in reflectivity, that might look better.

>>47814566
Leaving the helmet and pauldrons off would let you prime them a color other than black.

Alternately, many thin coats of a base yellow paint. I don't know what the current version is, but Iyanden Darksun would be my recommendation.

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>>47814666
>>47814879
Have you ever looked at your girlfriend's new photos on Facebook and been like damn...she ain't that pretty, but that's my girl.

Well that's how I feel about my second attempt at painting yellow. With a side of "maybe I should kill myself"

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>>47815140

> gf

A-At least I'm finally satisfied with my technique for painting skin now.

>>47814545
brown
bone
yellow

I've given you this advice before.

>>47814545
>>47814566

There's a Vallejo grey I have, sky grey, I think, which gets perfect coverage over black in one coat. Very pale, only needs one coat to go up to pure white. You could consider using something like that followed by a yellow ink or glaze. That, or get an alternative yellow, because flash gitz obviously isn't working for you. Again, the vallejo yellow I have (can't remember the name) goes onto that grey pretty smoothly in one coat.

>>47814545
basecoat over the black with ulthuan grey, it makes painting yellow much easier, and is light enough you can go the wash route, if you want

In the fluff, which weapon was considered superior: Fireblade or the Silver Blade of Laer?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/The-Horus-Heresy-Crusade-Imperialis-Army-Lists

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>>47816159
>No new Gamer Collection

Thinking of making an interex force using tau rules
Can anyone think of good models i could use for human supplemets for fire warrior squads? Although a part of me is considering making it an all battleshit force with the farsight supplement

>>47806149
I also agree.

>>47806225
You shut your mouth!

I'm not a 40k guy. Are nurglettes canon?

>>47816241
>I want to use tau rules in 30k
Boy are you going to be Mr Popular.

Anyway, interex infantry used bows, didn't they? So that's what they should have for "guns". And I'm really not sure about the battlesuits, they had robo-centaurs of unconfirmed bustiness but I didn't think they had anthing analogous to tau battlesuits.

>>47816398
No.

>>47814566
/wip/ anon here, thought I'd help you out.

Paint the shoulder pads separately from the model, and glue them on afterwards. Use a small ball of blutac or equivalent to stick them to a cocktail stick and undercoat them white. Handy thing about cocktail sticks is you can stick lots of them in a wine bottle cork and then batch paint a shit load of pads.

>>47813732
>Centurions have to be upgraded to a consul right?
No

>>47816159

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/crusade-imperialis-army-list-tablet.html

Hope someone will share this once it's released.

>>47816668

I got the book at warhammer fest, dont think there were even any changes in it

>>47816241
So you just want one horse raping society to represent another one?
>>47816398
Does the Space Pope molest young space boys? No. No he doesn't. There's the answer to your question.

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>>47816398
It's a good thing you're not a 40k guy, you're in the 30k neighbourhood now senpai

>>47816918
I always think the fists-clenched pose that marines are drawn doing in pictures like this makes them look like angry children.

>>47816918
I am unsure how to paint my Solar Auxillia.

Thought about doing the regular silver blue with a swap of blue to purple.

But I am unconvinced, there could be more out there.

>>47816603
Oh, too bad those 15 points can't be spent better elsewhere haha

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I made a meme for you

>>47817208
Same here. I'm thinking that shade of pink that can make even battleships invisible at dawn or dusk for my Costanzaian Daybreakers. I could go with a bright yellow or use the Solaire of Astora as a color scheme inspiration as the Daybreakers are big on sun imagery. I don't know what to do with the Shellbacks though.

>>47817448
Could you link or post a picture of that pink camo?

I like the idea, certainly a challenge to pull off well!

>>47817622
>Could you link or post a picture of that pink camo?
I think maybe this is it. I only learned about it from /tg/ of all places.

>>47817664
Whoops. Forgot my link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_pink

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>>47817672
Found another thing about it.

>>47817672
>>47817664
>>47817704

I like the version on the wiki.

Greyish mauve....Amauing.

If you manage to mix it, why not?

Maybe sprinkle some grey dots in?

Cloud/eternal dawn and dusk camouflage on some foggy planet with multiple suns.

Sounds amazing.

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Company command staff done.

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>>47817448
>Costanzaian

>>47817725
Oooh, nice.

I really like the techies metal cap.

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>>47816438
What was the deal with the busty rough riders? It was from a regimental creation thread, right?
>>47816869
>Does the Space Pope molest young space boys? No. No he doesn't
mfw

>>47817740
Fuck, thanks for pointing that out.

>>47817740
That's who inspired me for the name. Everyone from Constanza is locked in an eternal state of ISHYGDDT.

>>47817811
By the emperor, this either makes them incredible effictive or just makes their live torment.

>>47817833
They've seen some things which may or may not have caused them to develop a limited hive mind.

>>47817833

Preferably both at the same time.

>>47817856
Please elaborate.

>>47817863
Being used as Guinea pigs for aliens during the Age of Strife may have lead to mutation in the form of a hive mind, or the way sharks sense things. I want to keep it vague.

I see that the quad mortar has shell shock rule yet I cannot seem to find pinning anywhere, am I blind or did barrage weapons lose pinning?

>>47817885
Vague is best.

Sharks or the way swarm fish sense where eacch other fish is?

Sounds nice.

>>47817885

Or a low level Psychic Network like the Geno Uxors.

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>>47817900
>>47817905
Essentially these. I want it to be unclear if they're just nearly Krieger stoic or if they're all linked together. They still show emotions as if all else fails their back up plan is just to murder everything and let the Man Emperor sort out the collateral damage, and one Constanzaian Lord Solar/Lord Militant is yandere for my Harrowmaster.

>>47817905
Maybe humanities low key psychic abillities turned to this, might make great TS allies.

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i want to paint 1 each of all 18 legions ( I'm going to put them on a display stand like this).

I have about 12 mk 4 left from BaC. I'll probably buy 10 more marines from FW ( five mk3, five mk 6)

Is this right ?
Mk 3 - iron warriors, death guard, iron hands, imperial fist, salamander.

Mk4 - word bearers, ultramarines, blood Angels, night lords, world eaters, sons of horus, emperors children, dark angel, space wolves

Mk 6- alpha legion, raven guard, white scars

>>47817954
In frustration I forgot to add.

>>47817986
I like your DG.

White scars and IW upgrade sets wrre made for MKII.

Dg as well.

>>47817986
>Mk II, White Scars, Iron Warriors
The rest seems correct, however.

>>47817986
IW would work nicely with either mkii or mkiii. WS would have fuck all access to mkvi since they were out on the fringes of the galaxy away from regular supply lines, as other anons have said, mkii fits them best.

Mates, I have a problem.

I want to start up a 30k legion, but I also want to start up a 40k IG and Tyranid army.

Help me, please.

>>47818554
I'd argue how 30k is a better gane with a better fan base but someone will inevitably debunk my whole argument with some greentext and a picture of a smug anime character. Play what you think you'll have most fun playing.

That being said 30k is better in almost every way, the only bad thing is what you lose in cheese lords and waacfags you make up for in fluff autists.

>>47818554
Which legion(s) has(/ve) caught your eye, out of interest?

>>47814851
Not a bad thought but the main reason it's shiny is because I sprayed it with gloss varnish, both for the sake of applying decals and to make it, well, shiny. I'll put together another dude and try it out, though.

>>47818634
Yeah, true enough. Only problem I'd have is that I can't use my favorite chapter in 30k, but the Iron Hands and Word Bearers seem pretty attractive to me.

>>47818678
Iron Hands and Word Bearers, though Imperial Fists would be nice if I didn't have to paint yellow.

>>47818730
Bear the words, my fellow believer.

You know you want it.

>Or become a professional hater with the IH, they are just powered by MAD at this point.

>>47818730
What's your favourite chapter?

>>47817954
Is that pic from Section 8? With Dogwelder?

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>>47818764
Yeah, I'll probably go with them.

>>47818814
The Hammers of Dorn. Their sole purpose is to dunk on the Ultramarines and use everything in the Codex, word for word.

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Who /midnightclad/ here?

>"We were the judges of the false emperor and he and his lackeys cast us aside like a broken tool. It is now evident that the empire was doomed to fail. We shall bring the judgement and drown them in their own blood. Not for Horus or his dark gods. But for the Eighth Legion. Ave Dominus Nox."

>>47819047
Aren't the NL pretty much bullies, only going after those too weak to fight back? I still like them, though.

>>47819170
Just like IFs only build walls.

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>>47805516
Wait for your primarchs rules, the special units & characters and all that.

Remember, loyalty is its own reward.

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>>47819220
Are you saying building fortresses is on the same tier as being spess bullies that think obeying orders is for normies?

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>>47819566
>not liking Come and See tier astartes

>>47817725
I like the centurion(?) a lot, have you done a raptor unit/jump pack unit yet? I love to see some pics.

>>47819170
Take those one-line descriptions back to 40k. The legions are tens of thousands strong. Within every single legion I wouldn't be surprised to find individuals who, by their personality, would seem to fit in all other legions. Scholarly Night Lords, glory-hound Dark Angels, tech-obsessed Emperor's Children, cowardly Death Guard, and brutish Ultramarines.

Only a hundred or so need to fit a personality, and that's more than enough for a TT army.

>>47819588
>The kid wasn't both flayed and crucified
You sure that's Curze's legion? Looks pretty terran (The Eight, Imperial Heralds) to me.

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>>47819625
He's a praetor actually. I plan to do a more NL style one in the future. Here's a really crappy pic of my raptors. Didn't really like painting them that much.

>>47819644
They killed the rest of the village though. Just like Night Lords, they left some alive to tell the tale.

>>47819643
>individuals
You said it yourself. Still, you can always fluff them as your dudes, but the norm is already established, and the NLs are pretty much oportunistic brutal coward super bullies, where being normal is to be a deviant. -> >>47819566

>>47819730
Yes but the Dirlewanger brigade was kinda irl Night Lords.

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>>47819680
Many legions did planetary extermination campaigns, or used fear as a weapon.

>>47819752
>>47819748

>>47819762
>>47819748
Ah true they kinda were. Most legions would be satisfied with destroying the enemy or making an example of them, but the NL got boners from making them suffer.
They're astartes, they have a duty and a purpose, and even when that purpose is "retribution", it comes to nothing if you cant follow orders.

>>47819682
The problem with the one phrase descriptions is it leads to all the idiots who only learned through memes, "but XX legion doesn't do that!" Which, with only an extremely tiny number of exceptions, is completely wrong. Averages are fine, but even around the average you'll still find plenty of differing legion philosophies and methods.

>>47819795
>even when that purpose is "retribution", it comes to nothing if you cant follow orders
That's kind of the fluff for my guys. A terran captain who's having trouble managing the nostramans in his ranks.

>>47819813
>Averages are fine
I would more say "Stereotypes are fine" because stereotypes USUALLY exist because they're frequent.
Of course the XX can do siege (as demonstrated on Paramar), but srsly, what would you expect the XXth to be doing?
Who knows! That's their main tactic: to keep the enemy guessing.
>>47819823
You do well. I'd say both Nostramans and WEs are the hardes marines to manage.

>>47819813
Totally.

Seen too many armies on the table consisting of
>These are my Salamanders.
>They like fire and saving people
And that's it.

>>47819855
I didn't actually mean the Alpha Legion. I meant the XX as "insert any legion name here"

But if you wanted to build an army full of siege tanks and breachers, would you really pick a legion like the Night Lords? The rules wouldn’t help you, for one thing.

>>47819858
Haven't we ( I ) given you lots of not-the-stereotype legion examples? Sure, you can always deviate from the norm, and it's a totally good thing. What I'm saying is that the norm exists and it's a valid thing too. Salamanders do like fire and saving people, although their 30k norm is actually enduring against all odds AND liking fire.
>>47819871
kek, I wanted to exemplify the XIXth, but you said XX and so I felt compelled to make a case for the AL.
>>47819871
You could use the NL rules to kill the opposing infantry, who may be a problem for your tanks. You have deep striking termies without the other legion's restrictions, surely you can do something with them.

>>47813185
Wait, Mortarion can't see walls?

>>47819965
Idiot meme.

>>47804707
she is kind one of his typical waifus though

her getting away with shooting the world eater in the head who abandoned his duties to join the fight (aka being a typical world eater) was a pretty big stretch

>>47820125
Oh please, the bullet bounced off him.

>>47820125
Sounds properly orky.

And really, it was a laspistol against a fully armored marine whose entourage did fire back. She was only saved by the librarian, iirc.

>>47803757
A few catches:
First off, two primarchs. Which one got killed?
Second, the Ultras have no record of the battle. A fabrication, perhaps?
Third, the two halves of the Alpha Legion are in conflict and this is post-Heresy, meaning that the Legion is now aware that things didn't go as planned. You're going to have major conflict within the Alpha Legion.

Actually, what if Eskrador did happen, but it was Alpha Legion on Alpha Legion violence?

>>47820420
of course it's a fabrication, the Ultras are probably the most incompetent legion in the whole heresy, I really doubt they would manage to outplay the Alpha Legion

if they are doing a post heresy aftermath series we'll probably get a decent account of what actually happened, Alpha vs Alpha legion is a pretty good bet

>>47806759
That doesn't help.

>>47820464
My take is half of the legion was disguised as Ultramarine, while the other half was openly Alpha Legion, making the physical evidence appear to be Ultramarines vs Alpha Legion.

>>47816725
Really? Not even with the weird veteran entry?

>>47820505
That makes a lot of sense. Maybe they used it as a way of getting under cover, after all, the Codex reforms would make record keeping a lot harder.

New Crusade Army List when?

>>47821117
its up for pre order as of today on fw

>>47809588
>Didn't die as slaves
>Died fighting for an emperor and Imperium that cared nothing about them and would have killed them when the great crusade ended

>>47821319
not the space marine one

>>47816112
My guess is Fireblade was better in its own right.
But the Laer blade could be considered to give some pretty hefty buffs, atleast combatwises.
>>47816241
get out
>>47817725
i like dis

>>47817208
I tend to prefer metallics like silver or steel (or bronze/copper if you want that) or drab colours like grey or green for the actual armour with clothes being something fitting.

>>47821424
>The Horus Heresy - Crusade Imperialis: Army Lists collects together updated rules for three complete armies fighting in the nightmarish wars of The Horus Heresy, both Loyalist and Traitor. It includes the Solar Auxilia Crusade Army List; the Questoris Knights Crusade Army List; and the Imperialis Militia & Cults Army List.

>It includes the Solar Auxilia Crusade Army List; the Questoris Knights Crusade Army List; and the Imperialis Militia & Cults Army List.

>>47821408
>and would have killed them when the great crusade ended
doubt

Reminder that he viewed the ultramarines as the perfect example of what space marines should be, which why the word bearers got so butthurt.

>>47821408
The Emperor sheds tears for every human warrior that dies, Anon. The traitor World Eaters are nothing but slaves to darkness with Nails in their brains. Also there is no proof Emps was going to get rid of the marines. Break the legions down into chapters? Yes.

>>47821491
but no space marines as I said

>>47821547
>Also there is no proof Emps was going to get rid of the marines.
>Killed Thunder Warriors
>Would have no need for marines
>Marines were specifically not made to replace humanity
What else would Emps have done gone "ha I was just kidding about not replacing humanity, these normal fuckers are worthless take their women and cuck them out of existence."

>>47821547
He appears to have gotten rid of the Thunder Warriors after being done with them.

But it’s true that the Ultramarines would be able to justify a continued existence. A few chapters would become like the samurai after the Sengoku Jidai – artists writing poetry, arranging flowers, and performing tea ceremonies (BA, EC, WS). IF and IW would become civil engineers and construction workers, and Salamanders would help them in tough places to work. Parents would pay NL to pretend to be monsters under the bed to get their kids to sleep. WE would fight to entertain crowds.

It’d be fun.

>>47818730
Bear the word, my son. Spread the Primordial Truth across the galaxy.

>>47821774
>>47821784
Weren't thunder warriors unstable as fuck though?

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>>47821774
Marines can't even have sex unless you know mutated by Chaos!
>>47821784
Thunder Warriors were too unstable, and not what he wanted to represent humanity. They knew they were meant only to fight on Terra.
>Parents would pay NL to pretend to be monsters under the bed to get their kids to sleep
We need art!

>>47821784
>Parents would pay NL to pretend to be monsters under the bed to get their kids to sleep.

Brother, they'd BE the monsters under the bed.

>>47821883

That looks like it belongs in a FW book but everything about what is written is wrong

Why are there exclamation points, why is it written as a narrative and not an account or recollection, why aren't they calling xenos, well, xenos

and the term "policemen" is far to conventional sounding to have any place in the 30th millennium, why not call them constables or gendarmes or peace keepers or arbrites?

what the hell am I even looking at?

>>47821618

See I thought you were asking when it came out, then when I provided the info, then you said "not the marine one" meaning "I wasnt asking about the marine one"

>>47822144
>exclamation points
I wasn't thinking.
>hat looks like it belongs in a FW book but everything about what is written is wrong
Visions of Heresy.
>Why aren't they calling Xenos xenos?
They call them Xenos and Aliens.
>and the term "policemen" is far to conventional sounding to have any place in the 30th millennium, why not call them constables or gendarmes or peace keepers or arbrites?
Might not be the same but there's one chapter who's only job is to keep one race of aliens under control. These aliens are quote "hyperviolent", and the marines have to murder these monsters so Hive Fleet Kraken doesn't become stronk. Also what is the Arbites going to do when the planet turns out to be a tomb world? Give the Necrons tickets?

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>>47821774
Two things:
One, the Thunder Warriors were not only unstable as fuck, but they were still mortals, maybe lasted even less because of their imperfect modifications. Emprah judged them unfit to be the champions of the Great Crusade as he needed a core of immortal warriors who would embrace the ideals of it beyond a regular human's lifetime, and Emps took into account using regular humans as the main force too.
Two, the Thunder Warriors understood their time had passed. The ones that survived did so because it's human nature to not want to die, not because they disagreed with the Emperor. The Astartes are the Emperor's, they like it or not, and should He wish so He could cast them aside like He did to the old TW, but having perfected the design I doubt He would want to do so, especially because they're so widespread now. And Humanity will always have a need for immortal champions: Look at the Tyranids, look at the Tau and Necrons. And there will be always a steady supply of orks.
>>47821784
>WE would fight to entertain crowds.
mfw

>>47822201
sorry

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>>47822221
You thinking of these dudes? Even if you weren't, I like that quote enough to post it anyway.

>>47822346
Nah, I was talking about the Iron Fists. I think. Or whoever fights these dudes http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barghesi

New bread >>47822497
Sorry if it's rushed a little. I'm about to leave on a trip.