Space Marine size actualization

>>47796185
>Being 5' tall

What a manlet. I think your problem is just that you're a manlet. Have you considered not being a manlet?

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>>47796185

40k human models are larger than they're supposed to be.

>>47796185
It's hard to picture something being huge when you only get height. I'm 5'8 and when I think of a person who is 6'6 that doesn't seem impressive, but when I actually see them in the flesh they seem massive. In your mind you think of height as a straight line without taking girth into consideration.
>>47796214
Got back to / fit /

>>47796185

> Buy a plane ticket to LA
> Locate Shaq O'Nielle
> Take a picture with him
> Imagine his height is augmented with another foot or two by way of power armor
> That's how you wrap your head around that

>>47796231
Fat scale marines are larger than they're supposed to be, too.

marines are hovering around 7'
not like, 15'

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>>47796364
> I'm 5'8 and when I think of a person who is 6'6 that doesn't seem impressive, but when I actually see them in the flesh they seem massive.

I can confirm this one. Whenever we lined up in the endzone in the band in college, it was always kind of a psychological shock at how BIG the football players running by us to the locker room where. I'm 6'0 and like 185, but the smallest of these dudes are like 6'2, and most of them are like 6'6" or taller, and they're just big fuckin dudes even without their padding on.

To answer your question though, OP, a good idea is to picture Shaq with the musculature of Dwayne Johnson (pic related). That's about how big a Space Marine should be.

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Assuming you mean this picture OP?

I've always pictured Space Marines as being dudes the approximate size of The Mountain that can outrun Usain Bolt and have faster movements than Bruce Lee.

>>47796185
>Being 5 ft tall
>Surprised a being that's 8ft tall is hard to imagine
I'm 6'3 and you'd probably be intimidated by my height as well, but really it's just a change of perspectives

Remember that.
Perspective.
"The space marine looks down into your eyes"
"You tilt your head to look up at the damage on his helm
"He scans the area over your heads"
Imagine being on stairs

Remember, these humans have had 40k years to evolve, there may be some pure strain humans who are 8ft tall

>>47796444
It's a start. Yeah, it needs improvement, but it's better than what we have now (which is every character is the same damn size).

>>47796526
I always figured that with fluff Marines if you see them at all it's because they haven't decided to kill you yet. The scary part would be how the hell almost a ton of muscle and armor could make no noise at all.

>>47796611
>40k years
More like 37k. Also I don't think it's enough time for really major evolutionary changes.

>>47796611
"pure strain humans" It's heavily implied in some of the fluff that the Imperium isn't really made up of humans at all, and that the "men of gold" were the pure strain humans. The people who make up the Imperium are the Men of Stone, genetically engineered colonist stock meant to be bigger, stronger and more obedient than a normal human. The pure strains would be the manlets.

>>47796669
it's not better

it's equally incorrect
and significantly more obnoxious thanks to retards lauding how
"accurate" and "true to the fluff" it is

I'd rather see new cadians with less bulky pads than a new set of marines that invalidates literally every plastic kit GW's put out since '98.

>>47796674
>The scary part would be how the hell almost a ton of muscle and armor could make no noise at all.

To be fair that's only Raven Guard, and their whole shtick is being super-quiet.

Other Space Marines still make noise, but not any more than a regular person does (though Power Armor is said to whirr). They're still ridiculously quiet for their size, but they make noise.

Now, "Transhuman Dread," on the other hand, would be fucking terrifying to witness first hand.

>>47796758
>"Transhuman Dread,"
What is this? The fear of seeing basically supermen?

>>47796787
Almost like uncanny valley. You see something that's supposed to be human and yet at the same time is "more" than human. The worst of the affects come from seeing something that big move with such speed and grace that it's not natural. It gives normal humans the creeps

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>>47796511
Thanks that's the one. I love the sense of action and the terror of horry fuvk those r beeg!

>>47796718
>New fluff I've never heard of/more of that head cannon bullshit
>>47796683
>Correcting me on years like a year nazi
Hey fuck you kiddo
>Implying I implied they grew tails extra appendages or anything constituting a major evolution
>Ogryn became ogryn in The span of 37k years
>>Implying humans can't grow that tall if ogryn can become ogryn
Humanities average height and other traits have increased/changed noticeably over the span of a few centuries, your logic is flawed on many levels

>>47796787
Basically, the sight of Space Marines fighting at 100% causes people to have nervous breakdowns and panic, because people expect Space Marines to be slow due to their formidable size - and they're not. They're WAY faster than regular people are, and they hit harder, and can tank wounds that kill regular people and only get even more pissed off. Our lizard-brains can't handle this, and it can make people basically throw down their arms in fear if not flat-out run away.

Actually makes sense when you think about it.

It's detailed by survivors of a Space Marine attack in the beginning of the Horus Heresy series.

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>>47796787
You are some dumb farmer called up to defend your planet from the foreign devils. You are sitting in a trench with a crappy gun and no food. Suddenly from out of the sky comes an 8ft figure on a pillar of fire, clad in armor with golden winged crest. His gun is the size of your heavy machine gun emplacements. He hefts it in one hand and a single shot sends dirt and limbs flying 30 feet in the air. That is Transhuman Dread.

>>47796969
You forgot to mention the part where he sprints about as fast as your troop transport drives, and he can literally bat away strikes you try to land on him with your shitty combat knife before he snaps your neck with one hand and flings your corpse into your comrades to knock them down before he charges them with a knife the size of a short sword.

All this while you shoot him in the face and all it does is piss him off because it doesn't get through his armor.

>>47796946
Most of the changes in human physique in the last few centuries are entirely the result of changes in diet. A human baby from 1100AD would grow up much larger if fed a modern Western diet than a subsistence diet consisting mostly of carbohydrates. No evolution just PROTEIN SON!

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>>47796955
Maybe something like an elephant stampede. Where you see a lumbering creature, but at full warp you're about to get mushed.

>>47797005
Oh I would be far too busy crapping my pants to bother shooting him.

>>47796924
That picture is the one that's made by completely filling up the armor, right? They can't actually be that big because there needs to be room for the "power" and "armor" bits in there, too.

>>47796955
Its too bad none of the videos/cutscenes on space marines capture this, they are always shown as being pretty lumbering, with only their running speed increased.

>>47796787

>"Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.

>"But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving with the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die and, if you were really lucking, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first."

-Age Of Darkness Page 163

>>47797046
None of the books even manage to capture it, unless they're from IG POV.

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>>47796955
>Cain and the Valhalla's kill khornates(who go 289% on martial principle)
>Gaunt and his ghosts regularly blow up traitor marines, gaunt(as a commissar) has never had to execute a man of TANITH for cowardice
>There's humans with stats better than spacemarines
Don't read the codex lore too much, every faction is filled with 'wez are duh greetest evar' trash

>>47796460
>That pic
>"Astartes O'Neil, sir, we're holding our own but the xenos have managed a some lucky half-court shots and are now up by two."
>"By the Emperor, we shall prove the game of man is superior! Guardsman, prepare to pass to me!"

>>47796787
>Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.
But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving with the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die and, if you were really lucking, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first.

Even if they just ran fast that wouldn't be too bad, but the grace and dexterity combined with all that just does not compute. Hell, its hard for me to even imagine it

>>47797010
By that vein of logic the advances in diet and medicine can further the human growth patterns even more in m42

I also recall Annette writing a male in his prime without rejuvenat drugs to use is in his 40's

Humans in their prime are 40
They can be 8 ft tall before augmetics

>>47797081
I really don't get why people rave about the ghosts books.

>>47797060
>>47797135
Do'h, beat me to it.

>>47797060
And reminding oneself that "they're on our side. You know, the side with the tanks the size of houses" does nothing?

And even if they WEREN'T on your side, you still have tanks the size of houses.

>>47797081
>There's humans with stats better than spacemarines
Are you just talking about ICs? Or are there human grunts with better stats than Space Marines? All I can think of for hyper-elite humans is SoB and D-99, and both are still S3 T3, despite their augmentation.

>>47796444
Space marine models are the correct height theyre just in that retarded squat pose and their proportions are wrong

>>47797081
Eh, if you have literally Quadrillions of a species running around, some are likely to break the bell curve. I mean how many fucking Caines or Gaunts are there in the universe?

>>47797081
>>Cain and the Valhalla's kill khornates(who go 289% on martial principle)

Cain is also described as an exceptional swordsman (whose very moves are taught across the sector, IIRC, though he refuses to acknowledge this fact) and that Berserker in question, by Cains own admission, would have killed him through raw stamina had Jurgen not shot the Berserker in the face with a Meltagun.

>There's humans with stats better than spacemarines

And they're exceptional humans who more often than not have undergone a lifetime of military training to give them that level of skill.

Tabletop stats don't align perfectly with the fluff about the setting, anon.

>>47797169
Are you expecting for the lore to be consistent? How often do Space Marines get killed by random cultists?

>>47797169
>And reminding oneself that "they're on our side. You know, the side with the tanks the size of houses" does nothing?

That doesn't stop it from being spooky as fuck, knowing that you're fighting directly alongside beings that basically defy "hind-brain logic" in how they move?

>And even if they WEREN'T on your side, you still have tanks the size of houses.

Doesn't really mean much when you're being shot at by these things that rationally shouldn't exist.

You seriously underestimate the power of morale and fear on the battlefield, especially mid-battle.

>>47797141
I don't either, I'm just citing them.
Cain is more fun to read
Eisenhorn is right there next to the Cain novels
>>47797171
Popping open the ig codex reveals unscented humans with better ws and bs than spacemarines
>>47797204
>Stats don't match fluff
True, but it helps further my point that fluff where trained soldiers with commissars at their heels shit themselves at the sight of a marine are trashy fluff


This new friend spacemarines wanking is cancerous

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>>47797256
>unscented humans

>>47797256
>Popping open the ig codex reveals unscented humans with better ws and bs than spacemarines

Which ones? The Independent Characters who are unique and exceptional individuals in a galaxy of trillions?

>True, but it helps further my point that fluff where trained soldiers with commissars at their heels shit themselves at the sight of a marine are trashy fluff

It's not a universal phenomenon, and one not displayed by people who have experience fighting Space Marines. It's one that's documented in people who've never fought against/alongside Space Marines before, as it's such a mental shock.

You're taking "documented phenomenon" to mean "always happens all the time," which isn't the case.

>>47797357
>Trillions in the galaxy
>(On the lower side of)Billions of Lord commissars schlepping around who can beat space marines in duels

>>47796683
A lot of colonist were already augemented before they left the solar system, men of stone. A lot more augemented themselves further when they made planet fall outside the solar system. I remember one shirt about a commissar being taken in by people who had to turn themselves in centaurs to survive the high gravity planet they were stuck on.

Anyone watched "halo the fall of reach"? its a cgi movie showing the training of children and "gene stock for the orbital marines or whatever.

it seemed like it was pulled out of 40k. the kids were eventually augmented and so on.

>>47797081
Cain, a swordsman of legendary skill, trades a few blows with a World Eater buying time for a killshot with a melta and admits internally that he is outmatched.
He later manages to put down another one after it'd had it's armour ripped open and shit kicked in.

And the Ghosts, who are basically a SpecOps group, take out physically superior foes with cunning plans.

Not a great argument you have there.

>>47797169
The uncanny valley and terrifying acts of violence don't lose their unsettling qualities because they aren't happening to you.

>>47797256
> Popping open the ig codex reveals unscented humans with better ws and bs than spacemarines
Citation. Needed.

>>47797510
Oh you mean men like Cain? People of superb skill that still wouldn't want to fight a Marine toe to toe?

>>47797775
>Using citation needed on a well known statfact
>Only ever reading a SM codex(or reading no codices at all)
>Babbiz first codex detected
Lord.
Commissar.
Ws5
Bs5
Go marine wank somewhere else son.
Let's not even get into augmented humans like admec who have numbers, augmented skills AND bodies to drown the marines in.

>>47797510
>Billions of Lord commissars schlepping around who can beat space marines in duels

Ciaphas Cain is one of the most renown swordsmen in the Segmentum, and even he has difficulty fighting Marines. Run-of-the-mill Commissars are not much better than regular soldiers.

Look, I play guard, but you gotta stop wanking the exceptions like they're the norm.

>>47797884
>Lord.
>Commissar.

Are basically the 5-Star Generals of the Commissariat, and are a handful of the total number of Commissars that exist. It's entirely natural they would be some of the most skilled in their class, and EVEN THEN they're still S3 and T3, which makes them weaker than Space Marines.

It's not Marine wank to say that Marines are terrifying foes for regular dudes to face, and the fact that some non-Marines are as skilled doesn't make Marines any less dangerous and exception, especially when accounting for the fact that they're still ridiculously more durable, stronger, and hit faster than base humans.

Base humans are weaker than Space Marines. That's an in-universe truth that is only rarely broken by exceptional individuals, but even those individuals are only better than the "low" end of Space Marines. And that's completely fine - Guard and Space Marines are used in entirely different fashions to accomplish different military goals and in different contexts from one another.

>>47797884
> Lord.
> Commissar.
> Unaugmented.
Whew lad you are new. Or just set on not reassessing your chosen perspective. Try a convincing argument next time instead of ranting.
And hey, how does the rest of that Lord's statline go?
I'm guessing it's not S4T4 AS 3+

>>47797884
That's because marines haven't been made any more elite since rogue trader, when they were pretty much stormtroopers in power armour.

Hence the power creep of lesser beingz.

>>47797510
>>47797256
>>47797204
>>47797226
>Shitposting so hard it's gentle

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Forget about the sword skills, how the hell is a regular human with regular weaponry supposed to hurt a space marine through his armor? You'd think nothing short of heavy artillery would hurt these guys.

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>>47796185
>All this marine and guard wanking
When will you silly meatbags learn?

>>47798060
Drown them in shots.

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>>47797884
>Lord.
>Commissar.
>Ws5
>Bs5
wew

>everyone equating fluff with crunch
thats where you are wrong, the fluff and crunch hardly line up in 40k, and space marines are the worst offenders. Your typical space marine tabletop army is expected to take on forces that outnumber them dozens if not hundreds of times over. WD did a ruleset for more fluff accurate marines, and they were broken as hell
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chapter_Approved/Movie_Marines

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>>47798066

>>47798060
Power swords, bolter-type weaponry chainswords and power fists are common enough around most IG (though the chainswords is a pretty far shot, all can kill battle ready marines in fl)uff
It's commonly stated that a point blank lasbolt to a marines head will boil his brain and drop him, even with a helmet on.
Other than that a regular human needs to pray a commissar won't see him running
>>47798112
>Replying to the shitposter
Wew lad.
....still better than a tac marine
>Not submitting yourself to the omnissias will
Where did I hide the stats for a tecpriest dominus?

>>47798060
They don't. Even things like chainswords can't do much to a marine that's fighting back.
Marines are vulnerable to things like Plasma and Meltagun, Power Weapons and HE explosives.
That said they certainly don't want to just tank a squad's worth of lasgun shots and frag grenades to the chest, because that will chip away at their armour and eventually hit one of the small, less protected areas.
But yeah, mostly it's call in the special/heavy weapon teams or hope you've got a lot of dudes.

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>>47798133

>>47798066
>>47798239
Foolish fleshbags, we have already created an automated wanking device from this mostly intact STC.
Admittedly it did take Magos Thull's augmentics off at the waist when he tested it, but we're pretty sure that was due to user error.

>>47798285
He must not have recited the hym of the unyielding piston properly.

>>47796683
DAoT, man.
Pure humans ceased to exist long ago, they're all genefixed and given even greater and faster adaptability.

>>47798491
I wish this ridiculous fan theory would die already.

>>47798526
>ridiculous
It's not really though. If you had the tech to bend star systems to your whims, why would you not give your colonists, or your everyone, a leg up?

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>>47798526
it's only bad because it bends the truth. Genetically modified DAoT colonies isn't speculation, it's the fluff.

The stupid fan theory is that ALL humans are genetically modified (hurr catachans are half ogryn). Which is wrong.

>>47798543
The humans who would go on to build the men of iron don't come across as the kind that plan for bad outcomes and move to mitigate the bad outcomes
It's not cannon
It's fan invented like that fucking 50k asshat

>>47796214
>What a manlet.
It's a girl.

>>47798589
A womanlet, then.

>>47798585
Enhance your calm, mate. I don't mind either way.

>>47798589
5ft is still damn short for a woman bub.

>>47798619
>Wolverine
>calling anyone else short

>>47798637
....what??

>>47797884
There's plenty of WS5 BS5 ICs out there. But are there any S4 T4 troops that aren't Space Marines?

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>>47798066
>All this loyalist wanking.
Don't feel bad servants of the corpse emperor, Nurgle posting was inevitable.

>>47798652
See >>47798656. Heh.
Necrons, Nobs...there are a few others, I'm certain.

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>you will never be an 8 foot tall demigod amongst men
>you will never see someone become an 8 foot tall demigod amongst men
>humanity will never reach the level of technology required to produce 8 foot tall demigods amongst men

>>47798733
You can still be a big guy for some people. And that's what counts.

>>47798733
Be an 8ft tall demi-god in your heart anon, I believe in you!

>>47798637
Kek'd
>>47798649
kys my man!

>>47798652
Necrons, orks, assorted Tyranids, assorted admech units.....

>>47798784
>Keking your own post
No, seriously samefag.

>>47796214
Jesus, what a giant douchebag.

>>47798666
>Necrons, Nobs
okay how about some with more than I2

>>47798763
I don't want to be a big guy for just some people; I want to be a big guy for all people ;_;
>you will never crush the skulls of the enemies of mans beneath your feet
>you will never feel the Earth quake from your titantic footfalls
>you will never know, without a shred of uncertainty or doubt, that you are important and that people rely on you

>>47798773
Thanks anon, that makes me feel a little better

>>47798839
>you will never know, without a shred of uncertainty or doubt, that you are important and that people rely on you
Aww, don't say that, anon.

>>47798839
Being tall sucks bro, being 6'3 in a world made for people who are 5'10 is sore foreheaded suffering
Add in the left handedness and I could start a sub movement on tumblr about how short right-handed people are making me bow to them when I enter doorways and forcing me to be right handed to use fancy butter knives or scissors
CHECK YOUR PRIVELEDGE YOY RIGHTHANDED HEIGHT OPPRESSING SCUM

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>Be 5'6
>Best friend is 6'7
>All sense of scale in fantasy and sci-fi is completely relatable and easily imagined.

Feelsgood

>>47798890
Hey, look at it that way: you're almost a mutant.

>>47798652
The real thing is if you had the exceptional advantage of being super fucking fast compared to an average person you weapon skill would naturally be higher, especially when you consider how well trained and maintained the average marine is, compared to a base line human they should be indescribably terrifying, like vampires in movies, Eldar should be the same, but with normal baseline str, while an Eldar will do the 1000 punches in a second, a marine will do 500 but punch each through your body turning you into a mangled corpse if it wants too. Why create what are basically cybernetical and geno supersoldiers if they couldn't trash baseline humans so throughly. It's like navy seals vs a party of hunters in terms of experience for a marine compared to an ig veteran squad, how many whiteams shields had to die for the members of that squad be brought together? A few thousand?

>>47798800
For once double dubs lie.

>>47798850
But it's true; there are so many people that I can't, nor ever will be able to, help.

>>47798890
I'm 190cm and everything feels like it was made for dwarves, all the time.

>>47798920
shirou plz

>>47798929
no

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>>47798839
>>47798920
>you will never crush the skulls of the enemies of mans beneath your feet
>you will never know, without a shred of uncertainty or doubt, that you are important and that people rely on you

If you are an otherwise average person with no serious defects or illnesses or et cetera there's nothing stopping you from achieving either of these.

I know it's hard and I'm sorry, but if you have the determination you could start setting up a workout routine, look into learning how to fight, and plan out something that will eventually undeniably result in others relying on you and your impact having more importance than the average person.

If it helps, for example, there are five foot tall Navy SEALS and men in their 40s going from ordinary jobs to SOF. You can do a lot of things with enough determination.

Don't lose hope.

>>47798966
Thanks anon, and checked.
I have nothing else important going on right now, I think it's about time I actually made something of myself.

>>47799051
Godspeed. Be sure to check out /fit/ to see how much happier, popular and well-adjusted you'd be.

>>47799068
Now that's just cruel.
Funny.
But cruel.

>>47799077
Hey, he deserves a warning.

>>47799068
I already know enough memes from /fit/ to know you're rusing me, anon.
Thankfully, I don't need to interact with /fit/izens to use their wikis.

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>>47799051
Remember, don't just say that now and then let it slip away.

To start with you'd, say, only need 90 minutes out of 1440 minute days, a few days a week for physical fitness(say, sixty minute bodyweight routine and a 30 minute run?). It's really not that much of a constraint on your free time.

Beyond that, start along whatever paths you think would make you happy, and don't shoot too low and shackle any ambitions. With enough determination and guts you can get far in life. I'm not going to say you can break the laws of physics by believing in yourself, but you legitimately can accomplish much more than you think.

>>47799147
anon, as it is, I have way too much free time anyways; 90 minutes every other day isn't going to put too much of a harsh on me.
I have to say, and I'm not memeing here, this is the first time I've actually seriously considered this; thank you for being honest.
It's 3 AM here, take care anon.

>>47799194
Good luck anon, remember to try to do your research too

>>47796924

This is a fucking awful image, those fatmarines bear no resemblance to any depiction, either drawn or on the tabletop. Delete it from your hard drive and never post it again.

>>47799147
>>47799194

Weighing into this discussion, I used to be a 145lb skeleton until I started exercising. A few hours a week of lifting (and a lot of eating) was enough to bulk me up to the 185lb specimen I am today, and I couldn't concieve of going back to the way I was before. It doesn't require much of your time, and it's absolutely worth it.

>>47799453
Fuck I took shitz bigger than you used to be anon

>>47798820
Tyrion Lannister would be a giant douchbag at your side, midget.

>>47796185
Space Marines are about 7 feet tall. People keep exaggerating this until they're about 10 feet tall and got thirty goddamn dicks.

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>>47799453
Good job, anon.

>>47799570
IF YOU TOOK OFF HIS BOOT YOU'D SEE THE DICKS GROWING OFF HIS FEET

>>47797735
Know what you're talking about before you start posting

>>47798890
>190 cm
>really tall
Choose one you silly amerifat

>>47796718
I'd love to hear a single source backing this stupid theory.

>>47799759
Golden men and men of stone are established bro, been around for a while.

>>47798786
In fluff if a tyranid warrior gets up close to a marine it can rape it, theres a story of 1 ripping 3 marines apart before being taken apart, and theres millions of them per hive fleet, scary

>>47798580
Exploratory appear to be immune to irony

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>>47796924
That's fucking fan fiction, and says so right on the page. This is what a space marine looks like without armor.

>>47797510
You realize that Ciaphus Cain is the single most skilled Commissar in the entire galaxy, and is suspected of being a Living Saint given that he's survived Necron awakenings twice?

Oh wait I forgot you're just an assmad guard player sad that his army gets kicked to the curb by anything that ain't Orks.

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>>47798145
>It's commonly stated that a point blank lasbolt to a marines head will boil his brain and drop him, even with a helmet on.
I love reading bullshit like this.

>>47799808
Established in a fairy story.

>>47800197
Cultists do manage to take down a number of marines in battle of the fang with nothing more than massed light weapons fire.

>>47796185
>5'
Damn, your life must be a hell.

>>47800780
>Massed light fire

That's the crux of it. Massed fire, not a single lasbolt. There are examples of this on even larger scales.

An entire company of Iron Warriors taking down a Warhound Battle-Titan with nothing more than concentrated Bolter fire.

Swarms of small frigates taking down massive battleships with lances and macro rounds.

It's not that uncommon in the fluff. But unless you're a famed master swordsman or you have a regiment worth of heroes at your back, you're not gonna take a space marine down by yourself in cqc.

>>47800661
Haven't been around since third addition huh?

>>47796185
Space Marines are about 8 foot tall which combined with their pugnacious face and wide muscled spread makes them really massive and intimidating.

I'm about 6,3 and I would shit myself having someone that large attacking me (especially since they can move as swift as I can despite the size).

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>>47798763
>You can still be a big guy for some people
For you.

>>47798890
Goddamn southpaw. You lost my sympathy there.

What's worse is being 6'3" and carrot shaped. Nothing fucking fits right.

>>47797103
>"Astartes O'Neil, sir, we're holding our own but the xenos have managed a some lucky half-court shots and are now up by two."
>"By the Emperor, we shall prove the game of man is superior! Guardsman, prepare to pass to me!"

>turns toward xenos
>"Come, show me what passes for slamming among your misbegotten kind!"

>>47796185
Y'know guys, it's entirely possible the OP is just five feet tall and a woman. Which is a normal height for a woman too.

>>47804446
I mean, I'd say that's a little below average. For an American woman at least.

>>47798773

>In all but body, I am a Space marine
>[Purging noises]

I'm 200cm/6'7" so I can more or less imagine being 7'

Luckily I'm not "lanky" at all but have normal proportions. People do react when they see me, but I'm so used to it that I don't really notice. I'm thinking of getting a Space Marine suit and go to a convention.

Transhuman Dread is probably one of the dumbest, if not THE dumbest thing they came up with in recent years.
It's not enough that a Space Marine is intimidating because he is a hulking mass of muscle, clad in impenetrable armor, equipped with a rapid fire nuclear missile launcher, driven by a zealous will steeled by many lifetimes worth of experience and shrouded in religious awe.
Nah, you go insane by looking at them just because they are so fast you can't cope.
This shit is retarded, even as a diehard marinefag.

>>47796185
How is it that Space Marines only have one wound? They should each have 2 wounds

>>47796683
No, it's actually 40,000 years - the Imperium don't worship your dead jew. They mark their calendars from mankind's first foray into space - Yuri Gagarin, 1961.
The Emperor remembers, even when you don't.

>>47804944
Imagine people from the middle ages seeing a car.

Makes sense that it CAN happen, doesnt do it necessarily.

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>>47804442
>relevant

>>47805199
>people from the middle ages seeing a car.
"Our hero has arrived! All praise the deadliest weapon of the ages!"

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>>47805464
>forgot image

>>47805199
People from the middle ages would freak out, but they wouldn't spontaneously shit and piss themselves like described in >>47797060

People freaked out when they saw a projector creating a moving picture from a train, but after an explanation of how it worked, nobody insantly faints anymore when seeing a movie.
People can be shocked when being exposed to something for the first time, but they adapt quickly. And anyone not from an Agriworld or Death World has probably seen ridiculously large machines move around at least once.

So yeah, it can happen, but for it to have a name and be a known phenomenon? Fucking no. Most people never even see an Astartes, and enough of them do actually shit themselves so this becomes a well-known thing? How should I imagine this with Ultramar or Nocturne or Terra? Am I to imagine that when a Marine walks through the streets as is custom there, people suddenly faint and cower? Serfs and High Lords routinely shit themselves in the presence of a Marine just because they cause some deep, existential fear in our "lizard brain"?

Also, Astartes being able to move around "gracefully" in those tincans is a fucking stupid idea. Quick? Yeah, but graceful? What the fuck?

It's most likely a condition only people that have never seen a Marine experience.
And it certainly isn't permanent. After looking at a few Marines doing crazy shit for sufficient time, you go "yeah, go figure" and accept it. Maybe even kill some enemy Marines and you'll never be afraid of them anymore.

>>47805517
See, even your lizardbrain cannot comprehend a space marine moving gracefully

>>47796787
>>47796758

Now imagine a transhuman Dredd

>>47799759
>Implying 190cm is short
Jealous Manlet detected

>>47805903
It's hard to imagine people seeing the assorted crazy shit common in 40k that are just basic hivers shitting themselves at the sight of a space marine I've seen waddle around on a picture screen hundreds of times

Your transhuman fluff is shit, marines are never depicted as acrobats in videos.

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>>47798897
The non female OP here.

I guess it's the same for me. Everyone I know is taller than me. Even the girls. Much gf for many years was at least 4 inches taller than me. I didn't care.

I was playing darts last night with a samoan guy that must be 6' 4" and weighs almost 300 pounds (at least 260) I just make fun of him and tell him he's fat. And he says I'm mean. Then I say I know. That's how I'd imagine a spess maren. To be in real life. There no transhuman fear only fight or flight.

So I guess I'm a real life dwarf, in an elven proportioned body as I've always been athletic besides my 5' height.

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>>47800157
What a bunch of wierdos...

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>>47800815
I'm posting on /tg/ so not so much, oh wait.

>>47798905
Arent Eldar meant to by physically weaker than humans?

>>47800865
In the Ultramarines 1st book on Pavonis with captain Ventris he is hit in the chest with a lasbolt (p226) which causes hik to stagger and the eagle on his chest to run molten. Is it therefore too much of a leap for a lasbolt to go theough the eye socket or mouth grille?

>>47796460
>Shaq marines
I'd buy it

>>47806928

I mean if "Ork Snipers" are good enough to do so then a guardsmen could.

>>47806928
Hotshot, maybe.

>>47806364
I'm actually 196 cm, maybe even more. Haven't measured myself in ages.
But I find it hillarious how Murrikans are so obsessed with height. If you aren't around 200cm, nobody should be circlejerking their height. Not to mention the fact how manlets blame their shortness and how "taller" faggots think their height is a godsend when it comes to girls. Sure it's one of the factors, but it's not so major.

>>47806858
That would be incredibly stupid.
They have I5 at least. That's really, really, REALLY fucking fast.
You don't get to be fast unless you are at least some measure of strong. If you approach this with logic, your common Eldar would be stronger than a human by a wide margin, probably even stronger than most athletic and well trained ones.

>>47807326
Probable that their musculature is powerful but spare, and their skeleton is light but strong like those of a predatory bird, was there an Eldar autopsy in Xenobiology?

>>47807028
They were just some shitty PDF guarding the prison complex, they all die horribly.

>>47807326
You have to have strong and quick tendons and ligaments and super fast nerves but you dont need to be really strong to be really fast, eldar just dont have lots of muscle mass. Eldar are always have a thinner frame, so a grown man should be slower but somewhat stronger as he will have more muscle mass.

>>47796460
How tall is the other guy in that pic supposed to be?

>>47806437
>Your transhuman fluff is shit, marines are never depicted as acrobats in videos.
The videos are made by secondary/trimary sources retard who are probably not even canon as they don't even depict canon events, but are just advertisements.

Meanwhile primary fluff straight from GW has Space Marines as incredibly graceful, stupidly fast characters. Of course you'd know that if you actually read any material produced from GW instead of being Dawn of War scum as the entire point of the Black Carapace is to make power armor nnon-encumbering.

>>47798733
Really tall platform shoes, a good diet, and plenty of exercise.

>>47798112

>WS7 BS7

>laughing inquisitor lord

>>47808095
>Secondary sources
>THQ bludrehven is canon and GW sanctioned
Kek

>not Reading gws space marine lore is equivalent to not Reading GW lore at all
>As if gw doesn't write lore for other factions
>Snuffy security in false knowledge that space marines are the bestest
>Babies first spacemarines detected

Frankly, the space wolf codex focuses on them being ruthless hunters, rather than ballerinas, but that's my quote from a 3rd edition codex, anything else more up to date and my lore knowledge fades to guards, which is being replaced by admec in my mental library
I want citations of marines being graceful, rather than just merely superhumanly fast

>>47796185
>wrap my head around
Nigga if a creature being 5 feet tall is too hard for you to vizualise, I wonder how you feel about planets, stars and galaxies.

>>47807283
>States height is meaningless unless freakishly so
>Proceeds to state measurements anyways
>Bashes Murkims like murkims arent offenders on equal grounding with most countries

>>47806608
Kek, I never noticed how far apart their legs are. Jesus christ, that is not a natural pose for a man to be in. Have the emperor decreed permanency of manspreading or something

>>47808076
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=boykins+height

>>47808725
If the knees weren't straight forwards I'd say its a wrestlers "ready" pose. Knees bent, feet wide, ready to dash in any direction and also not locked by standing straight to protect from a knee shot dislocating your joint.

>>47808832
Sorry. I don't watch sportsball.

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>>47808832
>That link
What sorcery is this??!!

>>47808657
The Blood Ravens pre-date Relic as a Chapter and you still have no proof that any of the cut-scenes are canon, because they are purely promotional material with no dates or information at all about what they are, we don't know where they occur, when they occur, or if GW even recognizes them as they are not produced by GW. GW sanctioning something doesn't mean shit, they whore out the IP to everybody but those are secondary or even trimary sources, not in-house (the DOW 2 cutscenes were made by another studio hired by relic who was hired by GW).

Besides when it comes to Space Marine fluff, I only have to point out that they are the best faction courtesy of being the best selling poster-boys who will never be allowed to truly killed, especially the Ultramarines. The only thing that rivals the Space Marines in their love and plot shields is the Tau, and that's due to their size meaning that any defeat of the Tau results in the entire Tau Empire dying and the faction getting squatted. What, with single Chapters of Space Marines killing entire craft worlds, chapter masters choking out the Avatar of Khaine, the Abyssal Crusade purging 500 Daemon Worlds in the Eye of Terror itself, daemons and all, and the Grey Knights, who are the only reason why everybody isn't Daemonfood already.

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>>47809843
I'm confused. You guys are saying Blood Ravens exist or not?

>>47810033
blood ravens are canon.

>>47810063
Yes, of course they are.

>>47808853
>wrestlers
they didn't give them bolters, acid spit, combat knives and frag grenades so they can wrestle.

>>47810063
no.

>>47810033
>>47810063
>>47810351
GW was concerned with relic fucking up with their IP.
So they made them come up with their own Chapter.
Fast forward a few years and DoW has become a huge hit and loads of new players have gotten into the hobby thanks to the game. GW publishes an Index Astartes article in WD about the Blood Ravens.

Basically, at first they weren't then they were by popular demand.

>>47804944

"They came into the open through the screened wooden doors that had
masked them, splintering the wood, shredding the screen mesh,
completely demolishing the structure of the confessional boxes in
their urgency to get out. They were huge, bigger than even their
silhouettes had suggested. But, despite their size, they were moving
with a speed that was quite abnormal. It was the sprint acceleration
you see in some wild animals that reminds you that they are not
constructed like us, that the engines of their skeletons and the
attachments of their muscles are different, and therefore capable of
things that a human body is not ... I did not know what the two things
were. I could not make sense of them. Then I realised that I must
know, for I had seen their forms in countless picture books and data
entries, and I had seen their likenesses on statues and banners, in
stained-glass windows, and graven on the very walls of the basilica
. . . They were of the Adeptus Astartes. They were Space Marines."
- Beta Bequin, Pariah by D Abnett

>>47810327
Yeah. Cause acid spit is right up there with grenades and bolters.
I guess the point was that Marines are built for every kind of fighting.
They're not only wrestlers, but they are also trained in wrestling obviously.

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>>47810727
>popular demand
>a thing known to gw

Heh. Good one.

>>47810865
Popular enough to acknowledge them.
I image doing models using the imagery and selling them would be a bit more complicated since technically Relic came up with the idea for them and not the GW design studio.

>>47796185
>How do I wrap my head around how big a space marine is compared to a normal human?

>But I've seen some art (that eldar pict) that catputred the violence and absurd size of these super humans

Space marines are 7.5 feet tall, an average human in the imperium is 6 feet, and an Eldar is around 7 feet tall. Space marines are a bit bigger than a normal human, but they are barely taller than an Eldar.

>>47811953
Space Marines range in height from 6'8 to 9' dude.

>>47804661
Thanks.

>>47804968
How is it that orks only have one wound? They should each have 2 wounds
How is it that necrons only have one wound? They should each have 2 wounds
How is it that Nurgle CSM only have one wound? They should each have 3 wounds
Look I can make funny jokes too!

>>47805517
> Implying that the silly concept would apply to people living on marine controlled worlds
> Implying that marines walk around with the peasants
> Implying that a marine at rest are anything like a marine in combat
Some good jokes there anon.

>>47806437
>Your transhuman fluff is shit, marines are never depicted as acrobats in videos.
Pfffffffffff. Videos. Ha. Try again.

>>47806928
>eagle on his chest to run molten.
Whoever wrote that is either an idiot or thinks that the Aquila is made of different material. Which now that I think about it, seems possible enough to accept.

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>>47811953
I do not feel that size difference in eternal crusade is captured very well. An eldar is the same size as a marine.. Or at least that's how I felt when I last played the game.

That game is kinda shit. Hoping that since the release of dead by daylight the behavior studio will increase ECs development. Doubt it though.

>>47812410
>How is it that orks only have one wound? They should each have 2 wounds

They should. And it wouldn't unbalance the game.

>How is it that necrons only have one wound? They should each have 2 wounds

They already have Reanimation Protocol.

>How is it that Nurgle CSM only have one wound? They should each have 3 wounds

They already have +1T and FnP.

>>47804944
This sort of mental short circuit happens all the time actually. When people see the Sistine Chapel. Or when Nips go to Paris and see it's shit. Or when you take a mountain kid out to the ocean. Or when you take a kid from the Prairie out to the mountains. Or when a human visits India and sees a real slum for the first time. Or when you first have a kid die in your arms.

Anyone not familiar with a feeling of overwhelming incomprehensible otherness is either insanely small minded or has had zero worthy experiences.

>>47812883
I am just a stone-cold motherfucker.

>>47812922
So insanely small minded. Gotcha.

>>47812963
>small minded
>otherness
get your spiritualist mumojumbo back in the trash where the rest of the dark age belongs

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>>47796185
Space Marines are Big Guys, pic related

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>>47798733

>>47796185
Obviously the first precaution to be taken when entering this sort of discussion is the crucial disclaimer:

Most fiction writers and illustrators are irrational people with sloppy numeracy and no sense of scale, and they just pluck numbers out of the air with no sense of forethought or towards consistency with existing material.

With that established, it is still possible to figure out how Space Marines work size-wise using the more reliable figures in the setting.

- 7' to 7'3 is the generally agreed size for marines, though there is variability. It stands to reason that marine size is less variable on the whole than among normal people, but that specific deviations are more extreme. In addition, average sizes can vary signficantly between chapters. Finally, how much of a stated height includes power armour or not is rarely clear.

- Size is not just a matter of height. Have you ever met anyone who had a large "prescence"? I'm not talking euphemistically about fat, or even muscle - some people have a processive, bold manner while others shrink and recede. There's also skeletal thickness, factors such as having a deep ribcage and so on - all of which are especially prominent in marines, whose barrelchested build is actually more deviant from human norms than their height.

- Using Warhammer models for accurate scaling runs into serious limitations, as the models are abstractions designed to facillitate gaming and showcase convenience as well as ease of assembly, painting and handling. Guardsmen models are barely any shorter than a Marine for instance, because of the sheer inconvenience presented in all of the aforementioned factors were they smaller.

I think that just about covers everything. Hopefully this is helpful to any of you wondering about 40K sizes, and fantasy/sci-fi scale in general.

>>47812410
Wounds measure two things.

- Sheer bulk. Only a creature as big as an Ork Nob or larger can claim multiple wounds on this grounds. The quality of a creature's bulk stat is represented by Toughness, and although most large, bulky creatures have a high Toughness stat the same is not true for creatures that are tough but still in a humanish size range.

- Experience and "plot armour". Veteran commanders and other heroic figures have the wit and nouse to role out of a near-death situation and keep on fighting where a lesser soldier would go into shock and be knocked out or easily finished-off or captured. This is useful for game balance and dramatic purposes, granting army leaders a bubble-wrap of injury passes until they push their luck by either getting blasted with attacks or eating a melta-gun to the face.

Now frankly, if I were to restructure the rules of Warhammer, one of the changes I'd make would be to remove the former sort of multiple wounds and represent increased bulk through Toughness and natural armour saves. Creatures instead lose toughness as they get injured and thus becomes increasingly easy to injure until the stat hits 0 and they die. Characters would have a Heroism stat, which they can expend to ignore wounds or to grant themselves crucial rerolls or rare enhanced feats.

>>47798733
first we'll have to invent armor that can actually stop modern weapons larger than small arms.

Since a space marine in flak armor dies real damn fast even to lasgun fire.

>>47810033
Woah, where is that image from? That has to be fake.

Blood Ravens have to be Loyal Thousand Sons with access to Relics like that.

>>47810727
Except the index Astartes with blood ravens came out shortly after the release of dawn of war. Less than a year in fact. Long before dawn of war could truly get a large amount of people into the playerbase. Moreover, given that such things are planned out well in advance, it's likely that the index Astartes and making blood ravens canon was planned by GW before the first dawn of war even released.
Though that index Astartes is quite fansanating.
It lists gabriel angelos as chapter master, and was the first time that blood ravens were ever hinted to be thousand sons successors in a canon work (the lines "Such is the depth of planning and thoroughness that every eventuality is planned for, thanks to their Librarians’ uncanny ability to predict. As a result they have in the past warned or responded to enemy attacks or invasions well before most Imperial sources have even been aware of them. This has led some puritanical figures to make dark mention of the tale of the fallen Primarch, Magnus, and his ultimate fate – claiming that his path to damnation began with such warnings..." in reagrds to their combat doctrine)
It also was the earliest mention of things like Azariah Vidya.