Warhammer 40k General

All these new start collecting boxes
Only the eldar one looks like bullshit

>>47772929
Suits them well.

>>47772865
What would be a good color scheme for a Titan Legion from an ice planet? Icy blue and Snow White?

>>47772929
Fire prisms aren't that incredible. It's the jetbikes that are the issue.

>>47772949
BRIGHT RED SO YOUR ENEMIES CAN SEE THEIR DOOM APPROACH.

>>47772949
If you luve in an ice world, don't you want some colours that would make you visible from far away in the snow? Like bright orange?

>Friend sends me a text
>He's ordered his new army
>It includes 120 fucking daemonettes
Jesus christ, he's a madman.

Is anyone in your group a madman, lads?

>>47772949
There is already a titan legion you might like.

Legio Nivalis

>>47772993
>120 fucking daemonettes
Now that's a harem

>>47772993
A guy has two containers for his army. One box has a few medusas, a command squad, and a hand full of commisars. His second bucket is a tub of 500+ green army men

Serious question for DE players, since I've never even seen a DE army before: have you ever won a game? I'm seriously considering starting DE because I love the fluff and models, but I'm too poor to spend money on an army of paper weights for my shelf. So I'd like to actually be able to play them without getting tabled on turn 2 every game. Is this possible?

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>>47772993
>120 of the plastic daemonettes

>>47772993
Theres the dude who fields an army of something like 12 BA boxnaughts in pods, who also owns a Warhound which he brings to 2500 point games

>>47772993
So many new Slaaneshi players in the last months. Weird.
Have Slaanesh become popular for some reasons I don't know?

>>47772988
>>47772991
But why?
>>47773005
I rolled a Titan legion and got an ice war world as a home. But what is this Legion you're talking about?

>>47773023
Dark Eldar aren't a terrible army by any means. Venoms and Kabalite Warriors with the occasional Blaster actually works relatively well in most games. You'll still get tabled by cheese-lists, though.

>>47772993
I play Sister of Battle so...

I'm also universally hated cause I play so "shitty" army and regularly kick even Tier1 lists ass. Suddenly SoB are all so much better when you field 6 Exorcists...

>>47773016
He's a fucking madman and it worries me.

>>47773027
Nah he hates the GW ones so he's ordering some 3rd party ones.

>>47773057
Tyranids are also good when you field six Flyrants, who knew

>>47773041
>literal party god
>unpopular
Drop the bass friend

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>>47772949
dazzle camo

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>>47772993
>Purchasing 120 of any unit in one go
>The shit modern daemonettes of all things.

Friends don't let friends purchase garbage

>>47773085
Oh that's just perfect. Thanks.

>>47773057
Anyone got a link to an official tier-list?

>>47773073
6 Exorcists vs 6 flyrants is a bit different thing. Exorcists are 130pts, flyrants are what, almost 250pts?

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>>47773073
nine
fire prisms

Hey newbie here
So far i got the following
All the chaos units from Dark Vengance
10 chaos space marines
5 chaos space marines terminators

Is this beging to look like something?
I was thinking of getting a tank at least.

>>47773072
>ah he hates the GW ones so he's ordering some 3rd party ones.

Okay thank god. i was honestly worried.

But how the fuck is he planning to motivate himself to paint all that? ordering too much in bulk is dangerous. make sure he stays in the game

>>47773085
>>47773103
Remember to give the titan an monocle. Can't give 'em the old razzle dazzle without a monocle.

>>47773108
But fuck if the flyrants arent amazing and way, way more survivable.
>>47773113
And twenty-seven jetbikes and nine jetseers with singing spears?

>>47773041
no idea, but currently i am painting up my exalted seeker chariot. i'm gonna get lazy on this one, i really can't be assed to paint up all these blades by layering. prime, basecoat, wash, done.

>>47773103
believe it or not it's a historical paint job from ww2. if i had tanks i would do them all like that

>>47773047
They aren't a large legion and little fluff exists. So, you can attribute what you rolled to them and apply the name and little history to them.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Legio_Nivalis

Their colour scheme is white and pale blue.

>>47773098
Nah, third party.

>>47773122
His main army is Tyranids (which he also loves to play as a massive FUCK YOU blob) so I won't be too surprised if he paints them all within a month.

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>>47772993
about to drop £80 on paints

I'm going to forget some

>>47773083
>>47773072
Slaanesh was always the least popular God, but I swear I've seen more Slaanesh in the last months than Nurgle.

I know Khorne is been overdone and undivided players are getting tired of him, but it not old players I see with Slaanesh. It's fresh blood.

Not that that bothers me. I like Slaanesh, but it's so weird.

>>47772993
before I started, the last tau player who played at my local GW used buzzlight year as a stormsurge

>>47773255
>buzzlight year

>>47773255

buzz lightyear looks better than a stormsurge so I can't fault him

>>47773272
i realized what i did as soon as i hit send

>>47773288
That's the worst feeling you can have on 4chan really

>>47773253
it might be a hipster thing. but wait before you jump down my throat consider this; gw has always liked to use khorne or nurgle as the lead god in anything. hell tzeentch got that mmo

personally i went with slaanesh for speed and rending. also chariots

>>47773301
Why? It's easy to delete and repost

>>47773314

GW is a PG-13 company and Slaanesh is the least PG-13 chaos god of them all

>>47773301
Being on 4chan is already terrible.

>>47773318
If you have 4chanX, you can still see deleted posts.

>>47773318
>covering up your mistakes

I'm a retard, not a pussy

>>47773253
I messed up the tags.

>>47773159

>>47773339
untill you refresh, they int's just the backlink

>>47773362
Yeah but 4chanX updates without refreshing the page. Guess not everyone has it though

>>47773159
It's from WWI. It doesn't work on land because you have lots of reference points.

>>47773347
>correcting your mistakes is bad

No reason to let worthless posts eat bump limits.

>>47773347
God bless
>>47773392
It's 4chan. Every post is worthless

>>47773314
>it might be a hipster thing
Could be

>>47773327
Very true.
GW is making Chaos very cartoon-y villains, while ignoring Slaanesh.
Slaanesh is what it has always been, I can understand how people look may at him and see a reflection of what Chaos used to be.

Anyone got any scratchbuilding guides? Like the ones in old whitedwarves, but doesn't need to be WD ones.

>>47773389
It's a titan, 50 foot tall and it's footsteps are like mortar impacts.

Camo is as useful as on Bloodaxes.

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>>47773327
yeah i know, it's gonna suck when they finally get around to redoing slaanesh. i'm betting on excess so fat daemonettes with goblets and wielding bread as weapons. idk, but it's gonna be somebody's fetish

>>47773389
also radar. well he said it was for an ice planet so it'd help in blizzards maybe? but then you can't see much in a blizzard. still cool though

>>47773143
That's not a bad idea.
>>47773159
I'd believe that.
>>47773162
Their name is a lot better than the name I decided for my Titan Legion.

>>47772993
>Is anyone in your group a madman, lads?
I have 100+ CSM troops

Good people. Lore wise, do the skitarii have a mind of their own? Can they think and feel emotions like rage and happiness?
Do they slain in the Omnissiah's name, or are they just programmed toasters?
It's important.

>>47773048

That's alright since my other army is craftworlds and I can be a cheesefag too if it's necessary. I just don't want an army so shitty it's not fun to play. I think I'll buy the box. Thanks for the response.

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>>47772993
>I was proud of how many daemonettes I collected in the years
>He has more daemonettes than me

>>47773582
Skitarii aren't completely programmed, though they do possess less of a personality than a Magos they have not undergone a Rite of Pure Thought or analogous process. They slay in the Omnissiah's name and do possess some measure of AdMech-brand righteous zeal within them as they go to war.

>>47773582
"Skitarii creation is a closely kept secret of the Adeptus Mechanicus, but what is clear is that involves heavy cybernetic augmentation to those with a fanatical faith in the Omnissiah. While their bodies are more machine than flesh, they are not true Servitors and still retain independent thought."

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How shitty will I be for eunning scions with all assassins as allies?
(terrain heavy tables at my flgs)

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>>47773459
If Eldar can't see you in a blizzard, chances are you can sneak up on them in a Titan. Use the roaring when as cover. My Legio is a Scout Legio so being sneaky is my forte.

>>47773630
>>47773639
This is cool. Because I got some of them but it felt just too bad to know that I was playing a robot army. Thanks folks!

>>47773582
They can think for themselves. However, IIRC, the local friendly techpriest can just hit the "Take Over" button and control them directly for maximum efficiency

What's a good way to field honour guard? I'm trying to fit them into a hybrid bike/mech space marine list.
A land raider crusader is the best I can come up with, but it ends up being too many points.

>>47773719
They are only good in Heralds of Ruin Kill Team games.

>>47773459
>Each box of 6 Daemonettes comes with a bombshell, a chubby, a granny, a loli, a futa, and one of indeterminate gender

>>47773744
Aren't honour guards the most point-efficient assault units in the space marine codex?

>To compare, footslogging Vanguard Veterans with power weapons are 24 points a model. For ONE POINT per model more, you get Artificer Armor and the ability to buy a Chapter Banner. Or if you prefer, compared to assault terminators, Honor Guard are ten points cheaper, have a choice of Power Sword, Lance, Axe, or Maul, but don't have an invul or lightning claws. What Honour Guard have over both their competitors, however, is sheer number of attacks. Each model gets two base, plus a third for dual wielding, four on the charge, and five if you grab a Chapter Banner or Standard of the Emperor Ascendant, making Honour Guard excellent at killing an entire enemy unit in a single assault phase.

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>>47773779
i was thinking fat daemonettes would fight like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn6i-GgVH30

>>47773811

6 inch movement and lack of invul kills them. If you are going to use them you have to infiltrate them somehow. Using only their base size of 3 you can stick them almost anywhere and they will still murder most things.

>>47773811
No. Most point-efficient assault unit in SM codex is Smashbane or Smashfucker if you're playing Iron Hands. The rest just dont archive much during the game. And in the end thats the thing that matters most.

>>47773927
>>47773929
Mh. I'm obviously new to the tabletop, so I'd appreciate some advice:
Could you use a 3 man honour guard squad to zone enemy assault squads from your shootyboys or would it be a waste of points to keep them back as bodyguards for your backline?

Need help here. Most players at my Flgs are guard players and run a fuckload of Leman Russ. How can i as a SM player reliably take out AV14 while still having some points left over for anti infantry units? we play at 1850pts and i run Iron Hands.

>>47774013
Triple las predators

>>47774013
You have access to alot of tools. Starting with melta and/or grav would be the obvious course of action. Drop pods are prob a good idea.

>>47773811
Only if you put them in a land raider.

>>47773744
Honor Guard arent in HoR. You can take Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans, not sure if thats the same thing or not as I dont play Space Marines.

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I recently gained interest in 40k having last played it around 2003,really interested in Dark eldar and Harlequins. Harlequins dont have as many toys but I love the fluff and look of them. I know I can play them together but how long before Harlequins get more stuff? Figure I can start DE and peice space clowns together over time.

>>47774102
Wait at least one week before buying any 'quins, just in case they get a Start Collecting box up for preorder next week.

>>47774135
Cool thanks man. Hope it would look better than the Craftworld one!

>>47773993

Depends on what is assaulting them. If it is a horde that they're up against they will do fine. Anything with an invul save will probably kill them.

Like Assault Terminators will kill them, so will Thunderwolf Calvary, and any assault-oriented MC (Dreadknight). Most Daemons will be hurting them as well.

So you need to think of them as bully units. You don't use them to go head to head against an enemy, you use them to sucker punch them somewhere. The only exception is if you have a Chapter Master with Shield Eternal with them, because he can tank all the wounds then.

>>47774158
It'll probably be a troupe, a HQ but in the wrong slot and either bikes or a transport/heavy support.

>>47774177
Checked. That sounds like a pretty decent start then.

>>47774170
Mh. what's the best way to suckerpunch enemies when your guys move 6" per turn+running? I haven't really done any infiltrating or outflanking in my games yet.

>>47774216
Assault isn't a good way to sucker punch people because there are a million things that prohibit charging but allow shooting. Outflanking or deepstriking is a good way to sucker punch with shooting.

For melee it would have to be psychic powers, space marines get some good ones that allow a unit to suddenly cross the map and assault in their angels of death book.

>>47774216
Pretty much none outside of decent assault trasports. And there arent many of those in this game, sadly.

>>47773120
Definitely heavy support. Predator/Havocs/Oblits..

I got 10 guardians with warlock, a farseer, 10 dire avengers, a wraithlord and fire prism. What should I buy to expand? i like the idea of using infantry

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>>47774216
How do you fancy kicking your enemies’ teef right in, boss? How about a turn-two charge featuring over thirty Ork Boys getting right up in your opponent’s dismayed face before they have time to react? Sounds pretty good to us. With this bundle, unless your dice are afflicted by a terrible curse, you’ll be able to close in on pretty much anything on a gameboard. It’s fast, it’s dirty and it’s gleeful – pure Ork goodness.

This bundle contains 3 Deff Roller Battlewagons and 3 sets of Ork Boyz, designed to tear across the table as fast as possible and smash faces. You’ll have a lot of fun with it...

>>47773120
predators and vindicators are both reasonable choices

a rhino for your marines wouldn't be out of place

>>47774360
>>47774364
Alright, thanks guys.
>>47774554
Waagh at any cost?

>>47773658
I have been considering running a gaggle of Eversors in my list as a replacement for my two knights. Stormtroopers are all about surgically removing the opponent's ability to fight back, and eversor assassins distract the enemy and eat mobs of light infantry.

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>>47772993
>120 of those terrible models
WHY?

>>47774862
Not that anon but I don't really hate those models. I can't actually get why people hate them so much. Is it the lack of nipples? Or the twisted faces that distort their looks with a jealous rage?

>>47774862
collecting 120 of the diaz deamonettes would be rather costly

>>47774896
As someone who collects Sisters it's be heavy too.

>>47774883
those and the boring poses and claws
>>47774896
I know, its a shame

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>>47774896
Not if you know your local friendly chinarecaster.

>>47774929
The poses look okay and the claws don't bother me. Guess I'm too easy to please. I mean I non-ironically want to field a Lord of Skulls because it looks ridiculous enough to be cool.

Then again I started playing Sisters because of the GW Exorcist and how silly a missile firing tank mounted organ is.

>>47774932
how nice, does he happen to have other oop minis?

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>>47774932
>Hey anon, why are your sisters in resin? Are they fake?

>>47774932
So around $1,200 USD for the army.

My Sister's didn't even run that much from GW direct.

>>47774448
Chaos Spawn and Sorcerers are the best units in the CSM codex.

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>>47774963

>not reacting violently to anyone trying to touch your (recast) models

>>47774979
We have an expensive hobby man

>>47774862
Those models are pretty awesome.

Their only flaw is to have such a wonderful ancestor, the Diaz's ones.

I actually prefer the new ones. I use my Diaz just to show off.

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>>47775016
Indeed, but when an army costs more than GW's most expensive army it's usually doing it wrong.

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>>47772865

>POST YFW WHITE DWARF CONFIRMED FOR RETURNING TO MONTHLY RELEASE FEATURING MORE HOBBY ARTICLES AND BATREPS

Are non-bike cheese Space Marines stronger than Astra Militarum right now?

>>47774979
Its not $, its Yuan.
70yuan is ~10$ so 140 daemonettes (20 sets of 7 models) is 212$.

>>47775085
Yes.
They don't need bikes to cheese.

So I'd like to ally some Orks with my Eldar for reasons of fluff, do the armies complement each other well? Was thinking Orks zergrush whilst Eldar dakka, or maybe Orks get close and dakka/soak fire while Eldar long range dakka/grab objectives. Do-able?

>>47774932
>Based CDR
Sucks that it's $100 minimum order, but that free shipping is nice if you're willing to wait.

>>47775104
What other cheese do people run these days?

>>47774757
nice!

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>>47775122
grav weapon spam

>>47775090
Thought I was converting from yen, hence my mistake.

>>47775140
I was not expecting this when I was recommended this anime.

>>47775141
>>47775122
Grav Centurions in Drop Pods are basically a staple for Marine lists at my LGS. When it's not those it's that damn Land Raider formation.

>>47775069
Why is she so cute?

>>47775193
What about the drop pods makes the Centurions so much more powerful? Is it just deploying behind the enemy lines or is there more to it that I'm too new to see?

>>47775069
I've been looking for it in Asda and Tescos recently and haven't seen it, this explains why.

>>47775168
Neither was I. I ran into the manga long before the anime but the surprise (and elf ears) was very unexpected.

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>>47775223
>Why does a massive increase to mobility in an otherwise slow unit make this unit so much more powerful

>>47775223
Grav is short range, so dropping on top of a target helps them a lot.

35 points to make the even better versus a couple hundred for a Land Raider.

>>47775223
Most competitive lists run off expensive, high-cost units like Wraithknights, Riptides or general Knights. With Drop Pods and potentially a Librarian the Centurions have the ability to go anywhere they want, kill exactly what they want in the proceeding turn with Grav. If they were just footslogging people would turn them into pincushions with their stronger weapons a little bit before they get into killrange of all their preferred targets.

>>47775223
Gravity cannons are short range and salvo. You can drop pod in and fire as if stationary, which lets them clear a unit the turn they enter and then everything they kill after that is pure profit.

>>47775245
I deserve that one.
>>47775247
>>47775250
>>47775259
Thanks guys

>>47774932
How do I Chinaman, /tg/?

>>47775069
Source?

>>47775297
You'll be very lucky to ever see anything about that one as it requires extreme stupidity from anyone in the know.

>>47775340
i'm only in the know about CDR because of my apoc group has a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who was in the know about CDR, and we only do group orders

>>47775297
Google "yoyhammer" and work from there.

Sorry, but spoonfeeding has lead to recasters getting their stores more rapidly hammered upon.

>>47775305
dagashi kashi. Purple hair is a Christmas cake.

>>47775250
Ive been running Nurgle Incursion for about 3 months and have beat every competitive list except Necron Wraith Spam and Eldar Jetbikes.
21 Nurglings
2x 20 Plaguebearers
3 Beasts
12 Drones
2 Heralds
GUO

The infiltrating Nurglings that cant be overwatched and no scatter deep striking (icons on all drone squads) makes the list.

>>47775388
Yeah that's how he wants his info spread around. No online presence is the only reason he's still around after GW killed him.

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>>47775411
just to play devil's advocate but you could still move back or outrun the nurglings, though in my last game i pretty much cornered the tau player by speed

>>47773191
>I'm going to forget some

We all do, anon.

What can Dark Eldar do against White Scars grav spam in razorbacks?

>>47775514
Lance and hope for an explode?

>>47775488
Yeah but with them infiltrating and turn two DS GUO and 6 PlagueDrones, it always falls apart for them. So far at least. I started leaving the Plaguebearers exposed as bait, works great.

>>47775564
considering the speed of plaguedrones it seems like a waste to deepstrike them

>>47773041
I just started painting my Slaaneshi army, I have 50 daemonettes and 20 seekers with a few other Slaaneshi units for the Daemon Incursion benefits. I'm assembling my noise marines now to have my own Slaaneshi Daemonkin force. And Slaanesh because I am morally bankrupt IRL and occasionally enjoy a nice orgy

>>47774535
Look into your formations. Adding some different aspect warriors would probably be a good idea if you like infantry.

Warp Spiders>Swooping Hawks>Fire Dragons>Dark Reapers>Shining Spears>Howling Banshees>Striking Scorpions.

If you add 2 of the above and 1 more unit of guardians you can field the Aspect formation which consists of any 3 aspect units in any combination.

>>47775085
Grav is super strong so are the formations, but if your opponent is cheesing and you´re not then his army should be stronger.

>>47775614
>because I am morally bankrupt IRL and occasionally enjoy a nice orgy
How are you on excess though?

>>47775670
What common cheese does IG use?

>>47775701
Wyverns, daemonology psykers is a strategy I've seen thrown around but I've never seen anyone actually use it so I don't know if its actually good or not.

>>47775701
Mobilized veterans with melta and the special tank commander in a LR with the minigun, sorry but I´m not too familiar. It´s just more sort of a general rule that internal balance is a bigger issue than external balance.

A big problem a lot of people are facing is that the people playing the codices which are generally powerful (Eldar, Crons...) also exploit the internal imbalance (Wraithknights and certain formations within the Cron Decurion formation).

Bolt Pistol+ChainSword alright on the veterans in a Command Squad or should I not bother?

>>47775690
The orgies are usually well catered

>>47775762
If you're not giving them special weapons and/or putting them in a Pod or bikes, don't bother
You may as well just take Vanguard Vets instead

>>47774554
>tfw FAQ rules that units from onw detachments can't start embarked in transports of another detachment, even if they are the same faction.
RIP Battle Buses, we hardly knew ye.

>>47775809
Damn, I'm short one grav gun so I can't give them all grav guns unless I also take a company champion but I'm not sure about that.

>>47775690
he probably double dips at parties and jaywalks

>>47775840

Then leave one without. He can be an extra wound.

>>47775849
>double dips


RATBASTARD

>>47775069
I WANT TO STAY ON MR ROUNTREE'S WILD RIDE.

no homo

>>47774013
As a guard player, my greatest fears are meltaguns, drop pods, or a combination of the two. Thankfully we normally play with lots of terrain, so careful deployment and meatshields/camo tends to save my bacon.

>>47775701
IG dont really have cheese outside of the Wyvern. And tbqh I dont think its that crazy, Ive never faced a list with more than 2 Wyverns.
Pask in a Punisher is still subject to the problems all vehicles have.

If Vets in a Chimera is cheese, then Id like to hear anons thoughts on SM, Necrons, Eldar, and Tau.

>>47775605
2 squads DS, sometimes just 1. Both have Instruments to ensure GUO arrives turn 2.

If I wanna start a Guard army, should I buy the Start Collecting bundle shit or just get a CCS and two guard squads?

>>47776337
It's hard to say, you kinda need to specialise with guard because of the model count.

Start collecting kit would lead you towards a more infantry heavy gunline guard, your next best purchase would be a second get started box and a ccs to make a tank commander and platoon.

ccs and two guard squads would be more veteran heavy, you'd need chimeras. all guard armies need chimeras but this would need way more.

>>47775411
Have you considered using a nurgle forgehost and epidemius? Nurgle grinders can pile wounds on and with re-rolls to hit and wound you are almost guaranteed to turn any unit in range into another free tier of the Tally

>>47775701
There really isnt that much cheese to be had. The Wyverns are the only thing people tend to view towards cheese, but only for their point costs. Otherwise, they are pretty shite.

...so has anyone read those beast arises books? I just finished the 5th one and awaiting anxiously for the next :)

>>47776478
I see... What's your favorite way of playing Guard?

>>47776337
Buy a Cadian defence force box if you can find one. Then buy tanks for mech guard or a bunch of packs of snap fit cadians for infantry blob guard so you can stretch out the shock troop sprues.

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>>47776612

Yes. /tg/ threw a fit about Imperial Fists being wiped out, Ork diplomat who acts like an Elfdar farseer, Black Templar and Iron Warriors teaming up...

>>47776624
I like the gunline.

ccs with camo and master of ordinance calling down strikes as my HQ
two large tanks throwing out blasts
20 man infantry platoon with no upgrades, commissar attached.
veteran squad in a chimera as line breakers.

>>47776741
I thought people would be shocked at the whole thing where Vulkan says Dorn is still alive (in less certain words, but still) but I think mostly everyone is tired of all the shit going on in that series now.

>>47776741
did they mention when the black templar dreadnought had enough faith in the emperor not to get hurt by ork magiks and mushed the head of the weirdboy thereby somehow killing all the rest of the orks also? Also the fists didn't get completely wiped out

>>47776771
That sounds cool, I'll think about it anon. Thanks!

which book was that in?

>>47776796
>tfw he endures

>>47776807
>>47776786

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>First Turn
>Drop a ton of rapid fire on this guys poorly placed exposed Commander
>6 saves of 3+
>1,2,1,2, 4, 6
>Oh what's the fucking point, concede
What? Oh jesus man, we just set all this shit up, just reroll them then
>No no, what's the point, game over you win
>Starts putting models away

OH GOODY

What are the best models for Inquisitorial Acolytes with hotshot lasguns?

Militarum Tempestus?

Old school Kasrkin?

>>47776837

>Old school Kasrkin

so you did know

>>47776837
Don't use acolytes, just run miltemp. They're way better (bs 4, orders, deep strike, more special guns).

Why the fuck can't you buy grav gun packs on GW's site? You can buy metlas and plasma guns so why no grav guns

>>47776612

Yes actually.

I'm curious to know if the Beast is related to that Warboss the Emperor struck down on top of a Gargant.

I'm also wondering why Ullanor is said to be the origin world of the current Ork problem.

I thought the Imperium occupied that world and held it to the end of the Heresy?

>>47776938
because they want you to buy more sternguard

and they don't realize that ebay exists

>>47776883
How would I run Grey Knights + Inquisitor + Mil Temp in a CAD?

>>47776830
its usually tau players that do this to me

>>47777057
this

>>47776830
>first turn
>rapid fire
He WAS poorly placed.

>>47776830
>First Turn
>he's in rapid fire range
What a fucking retard

>>47777053
Run them in separate CADs.

>>47776830
Why the fuck would you put them away? Why would you not just start a second game?

>>47777150
He probably had to go run for help with his sodium poisoning

>>47777057
Yeah the Tau players at my flgs all have terrible sportsmanship. One in particular.

>>47776830
I don't see why people do this. In the first game I ever played (500pt guard list vs 500 pt salamanders) my opponent had a squad of drop pod terminators come in and melt my command squad with flamers. I still won though since that squad was now in rapid fire range of two infantry platoons and died the next turn.

>>47776830

He forget to bring a bodyguard or take drones for the look out sirs?

>>47776741
>Ork diplomat who acts like an Elfdar farseer

He wasn't even a diplomat, though.

The High Lords THOUGHT he was a diplomat of sorts.

How hard would it be to paint Guard models if you've never painted any models before?

>>47775818
Is this true? I literally just finished painting my Storm Wing and I'll be mad if I can't use it to ferry my vets.

>>47777351
extremely. Hope you like painting faces.

>>47777371
I can't even paint paper properly, never paid attention in art class.
Should I just give up and go Space Marines?

>>47773072
>Nah he hates the GW ones so he's ordering some 3rd party ones.

how does it work ?
can they be used in tournaments ?

>>47777303
Alright then, the single ork that was sent to discuss surrender agreements wasn't a diplomat, he was only the complete archetype of a diplomat.

>>47777412
Generally, if you need to ask if it's legal in a tournament, it probably isn't.

>>47777176

Theres a reason Tau are universally hated. Just because a couple of Taufags say otherwise on /tg/ doesn't mean shit. Bunch of dindu nuffin assholes.

>>47777413
Historically, people who discussed surrender agreements were military commanders, not diplomats. Diplomats are appointed civillian individuals.

>>47777450
alright. I dont even play this game,still waiting for next "start collecting" thing. Cheaper models would be nice desu

>>47777453
Makes me wanna start a Tau army and just be the nicest, most sportsmanlike person you can imagine.

>>47777402
nigga i painted IG when i like fucking 12 years old and they look decent enough

just dont paint the eyes. theydll look good enough for the tabletop. retarded googly eyes are worse than just leaving the eyes fleshcolored

>>47777501
Good luck. I shelved my Tau recently after collecting since the darker days of 4th. The codex is just so obscenely great I can't play my army without making retarded decisions to handicap myself, let alone use the cool new formations.

>>47777402
All you need to do is watch Saint Duncan's video on how to paint an Imperial Guardsman on GW's YouTube channel.

>>47777553
Jesus, are they that good right now?

>>47777501
As long as you don't field Riptide you should be fine.

I honestly think at this point that it's not the Tau that are the problem, it's specifically Riptides. My LGS has four Tau players and only the ones who field Riptides are Those Guys.

>>47777501
You set only yourself and those you face with a facade from the harsh reality.

>>47777567
like 75% of their codex is blatantly broken even without formations.

just like eldar

>>47777567
army pilots itself and has ways of compensating for just about any weakness

They fall apart against THE top tier, but that's cold comfort for literally everyone not playing balls to the wall tournament lists.

>>47777567
there is a formation that turns your undercosted high power MCs from BS3 to BS5

there is another very cheap formation that buffs every drone model you own with +1BS, jink, interceptor and supporting fire (which lets you use markerlights on both assaults and on deepstrikes)

>>47777614
>there is another very cheap formation that buffs every drone model you own with +1BS, jink, interceptor and supporting fire (which lets you use markerlights on both assaults and on deepstrikes)

and gives them all target lock for free

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>>47777467

Kill yourself you semantical faggot.

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>>47777559
YES. That video is the golden standard of how to paint any infantry, though especially guard. I've only been painting for about a year and pic related is how I do. It'll never win a Golden Demon competition but I can say with confidence that I have the best painted Guard models in my FLGS. I haven't even gotten through all my guardsmen!

>>47777663

retarded question but how do you remove pain when you fuck up ?

>>47777663
>that face

even with the slightly overdone insignia, this looks amazing, i'll have to watch his stuff to lean how to paint tau faces

>>47777652
>dis ork was a diplomat!
>He wasn't a diplomat though, people just thought so
>r u stoopid he negotiated surrender conditions so he must b diploma
>That's not actually something diplomats did most of the time, so that's not really a good argument
>KYS

You must be gene-modded for optimal debate efficiency my man.

>>47776494
>No cheese
>Shite

Not your fault, but this is the kind of thinking that takes the fun out of 40k.

I think Emperor's Wrath artillery platoon borders on cheese

>>47777559
>>47777663
Oh my god I didn't know this existed.
It's like a more interesting Bob Ross

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>>47777567
Its almost comical how stupid that codex is. Both my Tau buddies shelved their armies after the supplement was released. Unless you're playing a purposely gimped list, or in a competitive meta - dont put Tau on the table. Unless you're just a colossal faggot, then you'll find some way to justify it.

>>47777453
Playing Tau let's me filter out generalizing assholes like you who won't even look at a list before telling a player to fuck off.

>>47777739
>those mould lines on the chain halberd

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>>47777715
Nah. Just calling a spade a spade. Anon referred to Ork emissary/diplomat/commander/representative - as a diplomat. And you were compelled to 'ackchually' him.
Debate skills have nothing to do with it. You in fact are a semantical faggot.

>>47777739
>then you'll find some way to justify it.

"I picked them before i even saw the codex"
"I like them as an army"
"I make my own lists"

are valid justifications, the problem is WAAC tourney fags vastly outnumber the people that genuinely like tau

>>47777680
tylenol works well

>>47777749
>dindu nuffin

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>It's 40k Tuesday at the FLGS
>talking shop, looking for a game
>some college dude comes in with a bunch of chaos models in toolkit boxes
>they've all got DUST on them they're so unused
>offer a game to get him back into things
>1500 points; he brings two helbrutes, two obliterators, a rhino full of dudes, a landraider full of dudes, and a squad of termies with his warlord in it
the termies were deepstriking instead of going in the land raider. Since the rest of his list was otherwise quite mobile, we agreed that this strategic blunder was what cost him the game.
>I bring a Command Exterminator with two LRBT's, 4 meltavet squads in chimeras, a vendetta with a Cyclops in it, and a Thunderer (pic related)
>Since my list has no special characters, formations, Wyverns, or HoC's, I consider it a fairly nice list
>unfortunately its not nice enough
>Thunderer rapes face; first time using the unit and it wins back its points by turn 3, surviving a melee assault in the process
>that new rule about meltabombs is the tits
>he still gets tabled by turn 5
>he says he had fun, spilled blood for the blood god
>wants to play again next week

So that's how I spent my day. I feel good about myself.

>>47777837
Keep crying.

>>47777749
Yeah. But we both know you field suit centric formations. So filter everyone right out anon. We know you're a faggot.

>>47777855
You got a fellow fan back into the hobby and you both had fun anon.
You did good today.

>>47777855

I lost to a guy practicing for tournament [Tau] using fluffy Raven Guard list. Then I beat a shit out of 30k Word Bearers and that pussy ass Lorgar.

I still think you had a better day.

why are DE models so pretty?

>>47777856
Taufag defense mechanism engaged.

>everyone hates me for being a retarded faggot
>they're crybabies

>>47777858
>4 crisis is a suit centric formation.
You're out. Next.

>>47777899
>Bitching about all Tau players an using /pol/ buzzwords
You are a cry baby.

>tfw people hate on tau but fire warrios look swag as fuck and I'm kinda interested in playing them
GW pls nerf riptide

>>47777715
Mate, he called the Ork a diplomat because it was negotiating with the high lords and you go off on a tangent about the historical role of diplomats.

Are you autistic?

>>47777930
Individual riptides don't need a nerf.

>>47777927
>thinking 'defense mechanism' is a /pol/ buzzword

You must be 18 years old to use this site.

>>47777949
Yeah that's obviously what I was talking about and not "dindu nuffin"

You're real smart anon.

What I don't get is why you're getting so upset that I wouldn't want to play you. I thought you hated Tau.

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>>47777927
Are you saying "defense mechanism" is a buzzword? From /pol/ of all places?
Mate.

>>47777969
I didnt post dindu nuffin you fucking mongloid. If you quote a reply, its assumed you are referring to said reply. Not some other random post.

>>47777969
>memes are now buzzwords
wowie

>>47777889
>>47777896

Forgot to mention that i spent the entire game giving him tactical advice on how to fight me; I don't ordinarily do this since it makes me seem obnoxious, but he asked. Pointing out firing lanes, unit mobility considerations, sighting and targeting priorities (always have the unit with the least options for targets shoot first, identify the most dangerous units on the field, etc).

At one point he tank-shocked a squad of veterans off the board, and said veterans cut off the retreat of one of my chimeras as they ran. if he hadn't run out of dudes to fight with it might've been REALLY interesting.

Overall casualties on my end: 2 chimeras, 2 squads of veterans, and one Leman Russ Battle Tank. So about a third of my forces.

the only thing gayer than tau are the 'people' who play tau.

>>47777996
And if you jump into a conversation I'm going to assume you're the same person.

>>47777972
Read reply chains before posting.

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>>47777855
>Guy asks for a game, says his bringing eldar
>Prepare my full anti-cheese iron hands list, centurions and land raiders and all that shit
>Meet him, start to unpack
>He puts down 40 guardians, a few dire avengers, some aspect troops and a wraithlord, all footslogging
>Only has 2 fire prisms for armour
>like 90 infantry models
>told him I thought he was cheesing so i brought cheese, ask if i can swap to a less cancerous list
>he says sure
>Have a blast with 40 tacticals in rhinos and devasters and termies fighting a horde of guardians and aspect troops, 5 edition nostalgia
>tie game
>had fun
>thinking of starting a campaign with him
Feels good

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>>47777969
>You're real smart anon.

The irony is palpable.

>>47778020
>And if you jump into a conversation I'm going to assume you're the same person

You do know this is an anonymous message board right? Assuming samefag is the mark of a newfagging retard.

Not to mention you have several anons pointing out what a tremendous faggot you are being right now. How about you do the world a favor and kill yourself.

>thread is fine, people are talking normally
>guy asks if Tau really are as good as everyone says
>thread devolves completely within half an hour
never change, /tg/

>>47778102
Why should I care what these idiots think? Going to keep playing Tau/Deldar and enjoying it, and luckily nobody as stupid as you goes to my local.

>>47778026
>anti-cheese list
>land raiders
lolwut

>More hyperbolic spergelord angst about Tau

Companies don't make good decisions when small sections of their customers act like grumpy children. It just makes them ignore all fan feedback and focus on repeating what sells.

>>47778026

I love Eldar and Tau fluff players. Their lists are so silly and yet they can still put up a vicious fight because they're still strong.

That right there is what 40k should be. Fun.

>>47778162
>focus on repeating what sells.
yeah like age of sigmar...

>>47778162
I don't think they've ever taken feedback.

Does the sergeant in an infantry platoon count as a platoon commander with Voice of Command? No, right?

What changes do you think Deldar need?

>>47778241
Nevermind I'm a gigantic retard

>>47778257
A change of codex to craftworld eldar.

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>>47778138
>get spotlighted for being a retard

>"I dont care what you guys think"
>"I'm going to play my Tau anyway"
>"You're stupid"

It's like you are reading from a script written about a stereotypical Tau player.

>>47778135
To be fair, the thread was still on track until Taufag went full retard.

>>47778303
You're a complete retard just for hating someone for what army they use. so a few units are a little bit overpowered, so what?

A normal tau player that doesn't spam too many riptides will find it challenging to win games because firewarriors are such trash.

Show me a troop choice more expensive than fire warriors but worse then them at the same time, I dare you.

>>47778257
A change to the base rulebook that said fast vehicles move at combat speed up to 12" and have no option for cruising speed, effectively reverting the game to the way it was played before the FAQ.

>>47778396
idk man tactical squads are pretty trash

>>47778303
You are stupid though so what's the problem?

>>47778396
>the retarded taucuck is still mewling
b-but muh kroot arent OP!

>>47778432
Different person moron.

whats good starting army for DE? Preferably one that wont require me to take another mortgage

>>47778422
Especially now that that they can't even glance light tanks in close combat anymore.

>>47777715
>>47777652
>>47777467
>>47777413

That's kind of the point, though. They thought he was a diplomat, when instead he was just another Nob who got sent by his boss to demand terms before he went back to being a Nob. Just because a military officer/commander delivers terms doesn't make them a diplomat, and for the record, Orks delivering terms to enemies is something that has always existed in canon (though in a much more primitive fashion).

Compare that to the actual position of diplomat, which was a specifically appointed individual intended to facilitate long-term relations between two powers, and typically negotiate agreements and be the "foreign voice" in a court.

By your logic, Kaptin Bluddflagg is a diplomat, because he discussed terms with an Inquisitor.

>>47778396
I never once said I hated anyone for playing Tau. The anon in question does fit /tg/'s definition of Taufag though. The dude starts off with 'keep crying'. Then incorrectly claims samefag. Then just goes all in on mega-retard mode.

As for Fire Warriors, yeah I dont think theyre anything but average. I think part of their problem is that the Tau codex has a handful of units that are so good, average units (in the context of 7th ed. as a whole) look bad in comparison. You dont have to dare me to disagree, we can discuss the game like regular anons.

Anybody got that piece of artwork from one of the Tau supplementsd with the pointing Shas'ui?

>>47778474
Honestly, GW should buff Tacs and nerf those cheesy fucking bike builds and grav spam.
It feels so fucking stupid that the god damn SPACE MARINES have become a fucking biker gang.

>>47778026
It's nice to hear about a happy ending once in a while between all the sperging thanks anon

>>47778396
...Militarum Tempestus?
...Grey Knight Strike Squads?

>>47778464
There's a Get Started kit for DE coming in two weeks. It's got a decent discount too.

>>47778462
>person
kek

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>>47778506
The Black Comets seems like they'd be a Word Bearers Biker Gang.

>>47778426
Look at your last 10-15 posts anon. You are the reason people hate Tau players. Other Tau players probably hate you most of all. You're cementing the stereotype.

>>47778474
Most tanks have Rear Armor 10, and seeing as how all hits against non-Walker vehicles in CC are against their Rear Armor value, they're still pretty okay.

If you're referring to the fact that they can no longer spam Krak Grenades, eh. It was a clarification that we all knew was coming, and kind of needed to happen.

As a Tau player, I fucking hate Riptides, Stormsurges and all these OP formations for giving the army such a bad reputation and attracting so many insufferable cunts to my team.

I'm sure there's a good few Eldar, Necron and SM players who feel the same as me. You ain't alone.

Am putting together an army for a campaign coming up in a few months. I'm trying to make a human style army for the NPC faction. Most will just be a swap of the IG units, but I wanted to try to get at least a few of its own units. How is this for a light tank?

BS 3 Armour F12 S11 R10 HP 3
Fast vehicle
Main gun is either an autocannon variant or the baby battle cannon from the Taurox. And two heavy stubbers, one in the hull and one in the turret.

>>47778476
tHIS IS HOW REGULAR ANONS DISCUS THINGS!!

>>47778422
>>47778474
>>47778525
>tfw you realize Sisters of Battle are just crippled SM tac squads

>>47778491
You might not have said it but others did.

>>47778534
Holy shit I just realised biker gangs are also organised into chapters.
IT HAPPENED
>>47778547
>mfw I see a single Stormsurge one hit kill an entire Tactical Squad and nobody acts like anything is out of the ordinary

>>47778541
>If you're referring to the fact that they can no longer spam Krak Grenades, eh. It was a clarification that we all knew was coming, and kind of needed to happen.
t. taufag

>>47778537
I thought the stereotype was spamming riptides? I don't even own one. But you don't care, you just want to hate Tau players.

So tell me why on earth would I want to play with you if you're going to be a bitch?

>>47778506
I hate grav. But the normal weapons just don't cut it against Wraith Knights. Or Riptides. Or storm Surges. Or Wraith.
Also wish bikes in general got some kind of debuff. Like going over 6 inches makes you snap shoot or something. Also of course taking away Eldar 'my super fast skimmers bike can also Jump shoot jump like a fucking jet pack' nonsense. Wasn't being able to ignore intervening terrain or models, because a faster turbo boast, bonus enough?

>>47778555
Seems somewhat analogous to pre-MBT light tanks, with the addition of two stubbers. I'd personally get rid of one of the stubbers but I have historical autism. Not bad, anon.

Can we just ban the word Tau I'm fucking sick of this shit.

>>47778597
I'm pretty sure the stereotype is Tau players being little bitches.
not the guy you responded to, so just letting you know in case you wanna sperg out again

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>>47777898
dark eldar were the dream project and got the perfect launch in 5th after 11 years without an update. those sleek lines, those highlights, that speed.

then the game changed and they lost a lot of their hitting power

>>47778534
I wish I had a metal band so I could steal these names.

>>47778597
suitspam is part of the stereotype, the other part being that tau players are passive aggressive faggots who bitch about fucking everything the moment they get an opportunity, defend their army to the death and think everything in their army underpowered and trash

>>47778630
Then you must be new here if you think riptide spam isn't the common stereotype.

>>47778396
>>47778525
Pulse Rifles and Hotshot Lasguns are easily the two best basic weapons in the game. What are you faggots whining about? Be glad you're not shooting S3 AP- Lasguns.

>>47778607
I guess the problem is less an inherent weakness in standard TAC squads and more that the meta revolves around big, beefy, hard to take down guys who can obliterate most of your army without much of a problem.


>>47778655
Oh my god, quod erat demonstrandum >>47778656

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>>47778621
Banning them?
Wow, to deserve that they really must have really gone TAU far this time

>>47778613
That's what I'm trying to go for actually. I've got medium, heavy, and an assault gun I'm working on. And I may end up removing the turret stubber. Is front 12 okay for a light tank, or would 11 fit better?

>>47778656
the tau stereotype is that the playerbase are insufferable communist weeb cucks with no social skills whatsoever...

you are doing a great job changing that...

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>>47778597

Sorry bro but you're just an argumentative retard. You're a disgrace to Tau players, 40k, yourself, and most of all your mother. I'm going to go finish the Scion I've been working on. Hope you grow up someday, but to be honest I dont really care.

>>47778597

I don't see the problem with owning a Riptide or more than one as long as you aren't putting them on the field constantly for the purpose of cheesing it and as long as they aren't the backbone of your army.

>>47778675
Tac Squads being able to take two Special Weapons per squad and/or two pistols per model would go a long way toward making them useful. The latter would require changes to assault that should happen anyway.

GK player here, just chose my army because I think they look cool.

I'd rather play an underpowered army only played by people who really like it than have everyone hop on the band wagon because it got a good update.

Tournaments are cancer.

>>47778689
I think F12 is fine. Maybe run a couple of test engagements with 12 and 11 and see what fits your idea better.

>>47778720
Personally I don't even see what the big deal is with just owning the model. It's fucking ugly. It's got fucked up proportions, the chest and backpack and thighs are too huge and the legs and arms are baby-sized with a Zika head and a gun almost as large as the fucking model is tall.

Now the Ghostkeel is a beautifully balanced and proportional mech but the Riptide, fuck me..

>>47778732
Thinking about going Black Templar just so I can deploy more specials and heavies in my troop choice.

>>47778750
GKs are a cheese army, though. It's impossible to play them without psychic deathstars or Dreadknight spam.

>>47778597
You're a piece of shit, and the epitome of the term Taufaggot. Everyone here, even other Tau players, thinks you're an insufferable faggot. Go and stay go.

>>47778775
competitively*
ftfy

>>47778775
Dread knight spam .... Two of them

>>47778770

Well while I disagree about the aesthetics, I will say that the Forge World Riptide variants have a more pleasing design to me.

>>47778732
being able to take pistol/ccw or double special wouldn't do much, look at chaos

>>47778770
well it is made to be on the front lines acting like a giant target so it's fitting

>>47778775
are they? they can get smacked by daemons rather easily

>>47778720
You're probably the only one. I wouldn't post a single riptide in a 2000 pt list here or suffer people sperging out. But hell I don't use them anyway, I honestly think they look ridiculous. I don't know most people seem to think they're sexy.

Good night, /tg/.

Remember that somewhere, deep down, Tau players are just regular people like you and I. Be nice to them.

>>47778770
I love the Ghostkeel, I want to get more but I'd probably never run them.

>>47778761
Will do. Glad it came out okay so far.

>>47778689
If it's IG-equivalent, I'd do AV12/10/10 like the Chimera.

Anyone get their eyes on Battle for Vedros yet? I was expecting the boxes to be on ebay by now but I can't find nuffin.

>>47778825
they arent people and they sure as fuck arent regular

>>47778801
Hey, to eat his own. I'm just saying as a Tau player myself who dislikes the use of suits, even if I fielded them, I'd never even buy a Riptide.

>>47778811
>TripsDubDubs
Cheque'D. I get it that they're frontline units but I don't see how that has anything to do with having proportions that look like the legs would snap within minutes and the arm looking unable to even lift its own fucking gun.

If I ever got given a Riptide or found one in the garbage somewhere (cause I ain't ever buying one), I'd convert it to have bigger arms and stockier legs and perhaps shave a fair chunk off the torso. Maybe scratchbuilt a much larger head. And I'd still never field it unless it's 2000+ friendly agreed upon beforehand.

>>47778850
>Sure as fuck aren't regular
I'll have you know I hit the heads once a day every day like clockwork.

>>47778811
Two pistols for no cost is a budget Storm Bolter thanks to the Gunslinger USR. Chaos's biggest problem is how insanely overcosted everything is, but that would also partially be fixed by an Assault revamp.

>>47778843
It's meant to fill the role of a light tank as best I can do in 40k. But I'll try out various armour thicknesses and see what feels right.

>>47778829
Me too. Such a beautiful model, lovely parts and spares and very modular. As a kit, it's an outstanding piece.

>>47778813

>suffer people sperging out

They'd do that anyway so I'm not concerned.

That being said, I don't like something like the Riptide Wing or multiple Riptides being the backbone of an army.

That makes it easy to counter if someone knows you're going to do that.

Plus you can get more utility out of the Crisis, Stealth and Broadside working together than a few Riptides.

>>47778872
I'm just recommending that you pull the armor stats from an existing vehicle. 12/10/10 like a Chimera, 11/11/10 like a Rhino, and 13/11/10 like a Repressor or Vindicator are pretty common AV levels.

>>47778882
I'd really love to see more skimmers and flyers. But that'll probably never happen, they'll just keep making bigger and bigger suits until they have suits that wrestle Emperor Titans into submission.

>>47779013

Well if they're willing to make Drone Turrets and Remoras, I'm sure more skimmers and flyers are on the way.

But being that the makers of the game are focused on making money, the suits will probably always have the lime light given they seem to be a money maker.

>>47778587
Wrong. CSM player.

>It was not intended to be written that way
>It didn't make sense when you could only throw one per turn, but could use 10+ in CC
>It didn't make sense that you could use 10+ anti-tank grenades in close combat to begin with without hurting yourself somehow in the process

It was an inevitable ruling.

>>47778661
>and hotshot lasguns
arc rifles and radium carbines exist

Are there any Imperial Armour books besides 2 that i need to get all the current rules for marine vehicles and dreads?

Has anyone posted a 7th edition Space Marine guide to beating Tau?

I thought sternguard in droppods would work, but then I realized Riptides have interceptor...

Kind of hitting a brick wall here. Help would be appreciated. Everyone near me plays Tau so I just want to beat Tau.

>>47779317
There's a few like the Dorito that aren't published yet.

>>47779327
Skyhammer Annihilation Force. Drop your Assault Marines first.

>>47779327
skyhammer, grav cents in a pod, gravticals in a rhino
basically just saturate with grav

>>47779345

Well, besides experimental PDFs I mean. Just for the published stuff.

>>47779367
>>47779393
Do I kit my assault marines with nothing (I guess they need jump packs, right?) and use them just to bait out the interceptor shots?

Would Sicarius be good for skyhammer, since he lets me call reserves on 2+?

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>>47779345
>dorito

>>47779327
well they are largely unskilled in cqc, lack psykers and rely on marker lights. so maybe a whirlwind to take out their 5+ armor units, scouting/fast/deepstriking units to get in fights, and psykers to pull out some crazy abilities