EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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First for Chainer, king of monoblack.

>>47753523
>>47753446
Fugg these guys both look really fun to play

>tfw you have both but don't like chainer at all

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>Online store is selling Journey into Nyx cheaper than cost of two boosters - it's gambling time
>Only Fates Foreseen left
>Be a BW player buy gf is mainly UR so buy her one to just for fun inb4 intros are shit - yeah, they are but it's still a pretty much fun to play with them
>"Anon, it's nice of you - take my boosters"
>"Ok, but If I pull Keranos, you have to play EDH"
>Mfw I have no face when pic related from her second booster
Shiet, Anons - what is the best way to run this fucker on budget?

>>47753446
>Want to make a deck around my favorite Legend: Endrek Sahr
>Don't really have enough good cards to make him work
>Think of going Lizolda, the Blood Witch in stead
>Same
>Maybe I should go with Kresh, the Bloodbraided?
>See how far I've strayed from my original idea
>Cut everything back to mono-B

I've gone through this cycle 3 times now, send help.

>>47753915
>send money
ftfy

>>47753915
>my favorite Legend: Endrek Sahr
Anon why

>>47753876
MLD Stax. Brutal but effective. Otherwise you really can do whatever with him, he's pretty versatile.

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r8 h8 appreci8

I've recently cleared up a few flex slots in zedruu, so I'm looking for janky enchantments or enchantment control stuff.

>>47754050
Post Sydri and Zedruu lists

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>>47753523
would I be wrong for switching to pic related?
either one could easily grab the other from a graveyard, and I currently run both

>>47754019
I like to suffer

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>>47753915
The spicy help is on the way, Anon.

>>47754406
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sydri-of-the-confusing-convoluted-combo-deck/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zedruu-jank-no-more/

They're both somewhat outdated but you get the general idea as it were

>>47754800
Don't forget Haakon for unlimited, exile-free Unearths.

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Why is this not red?

>>47755289
Making copies is more blue than red

>>47755302
Red has a bunch of copy cards

>>47755289
It doesn't have haste, nor does it come in tapped and attacking. So presumably it's more for copying an opponent's creature and killing it when it attacks on their turn

>>47753915
Secret tech for Endrek: Assault Suit. You can just choose not to pass him around and never have to sac him. Spit out Thrulls all day with no downside.

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>mfw kaladesh legendary artificer is blue / anus and it's abillity is mostly related to new artifact creatures with devoid

>>47754800
>>47754837
>>47755392
Thanks guys, appreciate the help!
I also found Spawning Pit, to get rid of excess Thrulls.

>>47755392
Anon that wouldn't work. Once someone hits 7 Thrulls they'd have to sacrifice Endrek, but they can't because of Assault Suit, so the ability just triggers infinitely and the game never ends

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>>47755502
>mfw Eldrazi Moon will have a legal Emrakul

>>47755502
I would be fucking pissed

Dear mono red players, what's your favorite way to draw cards?

>>47755809
Daretti. I fucking love discard two mountains draw two mountains.

>>47754050
What a coincidence, I just helped a friend build a Jor Kadeen Myr tribal as his first edh deck.

>>47755659
No.

>>47755809
Wheels and looting

Artifacts and Daretti are good too

That "exile -play until end of turn" mechanic sucks

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>>47755871
Yes, actually. Unless you can pay a cost that sacs enough thrulls to put you to less than seven, the trigger will just keep going off. Check the gatherer rulings.

>>47755908
I wonder if they played around a little more with the exile-play thing it could be better. Something like exiling more cards at once but not playing all of them.

>>47755871
Yep

Unless you can bring it down to less than 7 Thrulls at instant speed in response to the trigger, it will go off forever

>>47755871
just stick with conspiracy, works better than assault armor

If you could add one color to a mono-colored Legendary creature, what would you do?

All this talk about Endrek Sahr made me think he'd fit pretty well in WB.

I have only played MTG online so far. What's the real MTG playbase like?

>>47756094
Pizza-faced Autistic Turbovirgins.

>>47755955
Well yeah, you need an out for the Thrulls or the game ends in a draw. Still saves you from needing to sac and recast your commander every other turn.

>>47756116
Wow, sounds like you have some seriously shit-tier local game stores.

>>47756061
Nefarox might make a fun Voltron general if he had White.

>>47756061
Godo would be rad in Boros. He'd be cooler if he was (not that he isn't anyway). Both colors for Samurai, two of the better artifact colors, lots more access to instant-speed removal

>>47756094
You know how you can imagine the worst about people online when you don't have to see them face to face. How you can imagine their self serving thought process through the filtered pure and direct information you get with an electronic medium?

If you've ever thought the worst about someone then just do that, but multiply it several times over. Only then will you have something approaching a standard magic player in real life.

Plus they have all the cards you can't afford.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/

R8?

>>47756116
So identical to the MtGO playerbase but you have to look at them

>>47756190
Ezuri/10. Not doing anything wrong but not really bringing anything new and exciting to the table.

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>>47755659
>>47755955
>>47755967
Different anon here.
>want to run this combo in current Endrek
>don't believe anons
>look it up myself
>holy shit infinite loops with no close draw the game
Welp. I don't know what I was expecting.

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Been out the card game circuit for a while now. There was a Game of Thrones card game I played a few years back where a certain deck archetype was all about resource denial: either lowering the opponent's resources to the point of making it impossible for them to play stuff, while keeping your own stuff cheap and playable, or outright stealing resources from other players to use as your own.

Is there anything that can do this in MTG/EDH? It was the biggest asshole deck in the format and it was rewarding as fuck to play. Really tough to pilot well and really fun

>>47756190
You could probably go down a few lands. Night Soil is pretty spicy though, gonna steal this idea for my own deck

>>47756669
Yes. That style of deck is quite possible in MtG. It is somewhat more difficult to pull off in EDH due to it's generally multiplayer focus but can still be done well.

This link should provide you with most of what you'll need to get started.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/204260-the-stax-primer

>>47756669
In M:tG it's called Stax. Stax is a polarizing strategy in some social circles because it's an example of one of the ways you can "break" EDH. EDH is wide open and the banlist is not intended to prevent every possible dick move like the way banlists from competitive formats are made. It's unquestionably effective in high-power games provided you don't get hated out.

>>47756669
grand arbiter, Augustus
I hope you die in a horrible car accident on your way to buy it.
jk

>>47755955
>>47756637
I actually like the assault suit idea as a way to force people to not cast spells lest they make the game a draw.

Sure there's going to be the duckweed that does anyway but a way in mono black to stop people from casting creatures is cute

>>47755809

Wheels are the best way to go besides Skull Clamp, which is easy to fuel with things like Kher Keep and Trading Post.

>>47755955
>>47755908

I've actually had pretty good experiences with the exile mechanic, particularly with Chandra/Outpost Siege. However, Commune with Lava is really good because it's until your NEXT turn.

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>Mikaeus as my Commander
>local league starts today
>points system punishes infinite combos
I tend to play a control match and finish with some sort if drain and gain. What does /tg/ recommend for the deck to help me win without an infinite combo?

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>>47755749
Let me guess - you want R/U artificer?

>>47757156
Yes

I know it's going to be underwhelming but the colors are my two favorites. Plus a proper RU artificer would be nice and not Jhoira

>>47757152
Gary and Kokopuff recursion seems like the best way to win without infinites. That said, you might just be better off going for a different commander and moving Mike to the 99 if you're just using him for value and not trying to go infinite.

>>47755363
Slap it on Zegana or E.Wit, man this card can be value I swear.

>>47756762
>>47756787
Oh yeah this looks like my shit. Choke (as it was known in AGOT) played really similar to this, and when you got going it was almost impossible to get out from. Gonna build this and draw a giant target right on my forehead when I bust it out.

>>47756841
Sry bb but I'm going in dry

>>47756061
Make Zada R/G or R/W so I can actually play funner spells.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/anafenza-the-cutemost/

Anything I should add? I asked last thread and got a few good suggestions for wincons. Does this Abzan Goodstuff have good enough stuff? I might add Midnight Guard+Presence of Gond Combo for the sake of it, but I'm not sure that's even good enough to add.

>>47757216
I want it to, to be honest but
>Fire magic is strictly banned, and pyromancy punishable with a death sentence.

>>47757392
I have those two but you have a point. It's a recursion deck that is surprisingly hard to win with without Triskelion.

>>47757573
There were red artificers in Origins though. That one uncommon that gave artifact creatures haste was red and pretty good

>>47757573
Red isn't just fire. It's also passion and invention. Kaladesh is ripe for red creatures that show other sides to the color. Stuff like Felden of the Third Path

>>47757580
Maybe try mono Sidisi in the command slot instead. She can get you Mikaeus on curve if he's what you want, but lets you build more of a toolbox deck. Also she works great with recursion herself.

>>47757561
I made this almost exact same deck with the same support of +1/+1 counters and its really slow and easy to kill you may want stuff like fleece-mane lion and stuff like rootborn defenses and Golgari charm to keep your board safe from wraths.

Is there a way to reliably flicker Hokori during your turn so you can untap all your lands, then bring him back EOT to affect the board again?

>>47757703
Ah, golgari charm! I knew i was forgetting something obvious. Thank you for reminding me! Fleecemane Lion seems like a really solid option, too. Thanks! Does anything stand out as prime material to be cut out? I'm having a hard time seeing what is sub-par for the general strategy.

>>47757760
Eldrazi Displacer?

>>47757790
Doesn't work. Hokori will always be present for his ability to trigger.
Something that keeps things gone till end of turn would work though.

>>47757595
>>47757627
Fuck me running but you are right. Still, imo artifact creatures with devoid would be interesting

>>47757561
Unburial Rites is better than Zombify, I believe.
The same goes for Ambition's cost, unless you think opponent losing 3 life from Harrowing Journey would matter.

>>47757760
Roon might be your best bet, but I'm assuming you want Hokori as your general

Skybind could probably work if you're running some pillowfort-y stuff

>>47757848
My bad, misread Displacer. Try Flickerform then.

>>47757760
'walker Venser is entirely capable of this. Shame that there aren't many effects that have a delayed return on the flicker, but I imagine it'd be incredibly easy to abuse if they did

>>47757878
Ah, right. Ambition's Cost is much better. Unburial Rites too. Maybe add Entomb and something like Dread Return, to create a secondary Reanimator strategy that's easier to set up.

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>>47755502
>>47757156
>Not wanting a red/white artificer

>>47757774
Daghatar is pretty mana intensive not always worth it, you could prob use forgotten ancient in that spot it that's what you want. You could prob run varolz instead of deadbridge Goliath if you really want to scavenge. I'm trying to keep this budget for ya since you I imagine you don't wanna spend much but you could use a scavenging ooze and green sun. Theirs so much you can do with Ana tho so do you man she's fucking hype I'm rebuilding her again myself .

If I sac with ashnods altar, that goes on the stack and someone uses path to exile in response, can I just trigger ashnods again to put it on the stack again to keep my creature from getting exiled or do I need a different sac outlet trigger

>>47758391
You sac your creature as a part of the cost, so it's impossible to respond.

>>47758391
Sac is part of the cost, by the time they get priority the creature is already dead.

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>>47758018
Actually, I'm running one as pauper EDH commander

>>47758612
How well does it work?

>>47758652
Still working on it and making some changes but it's mainly everything with affinity for artifacts/plains, metalcraft etc

>>47758724
Do you run Atog?

>>47756669
That sounds like stax

And if you're completely new to EDH, stax might not be the best way to start. You'll draw immense hate for it. But go for it if that's what you really want to build

>>47758766
Nope - I want to use only "recent" cards because I will probably want to buy this deck on paper and local stores has not this old sets

>>47756669
>GJ Choke
>biggest asshole deck
>implying Martell Bloodthirst wasn't a million types worse

>>47758391
>>47758436
>>47758452
Also, as a general rule; mana abilities can't be responded to.

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>>47755809
Targeted Cantrips

>>47757152
With a shitty rule like that I'm gonna assume it's a very casual meta. Personally I'd still use triskelion, but I wouldn't go infinite. Remove all the counters pinging things, then use him as a chump blocker. Or use him with limited sac outlets like High Market and Vampiric Rites. It's still tons of value, you just don't combo out. If anyone calls you on that shit you could act like you had no idea it could be infinite in the first place.

>>47758929
Expedite becomes "R: Creatures you control gain Haste. Draw cards equal to the number of creatures you control."

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>>47754050
My Shu Yun deck has the same problem that your Atarka deck has but I enjoy it anyway

>>47756094
It varies. I've generally had good experiences with people I've met at LGSs and GPs albeit they're usually a bit spergy

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>>47758929
Use this as a death-or-glory finisher

>>47759440
I personally don't like Tears for 2 reasons:
1) Fatal Frenzy is better with Zada, since it's cheaper, gives trample, and is harder to counter
2) On it's own Tears is a smaller pump than the rest of my spells, giving somewhere between 1 and 4 power. If I had other pump spells and the mana to use them along with Tears it just seems like a winmore spell with a huge downside should they have a fog. Compare it to overblaze, which is the same CMC, has splice (if your build can take advantage of it it's surprisingly relevant), does effectively the same thing with zada out, and has no downside.

Do you guys think Momir Big would be good in Newzuri. I feel like he'd be great..

Hokori stax: Y/N? That effect is crazy but mono-white is weak on its own

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simic +1/+1 counters is on its way boys

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What would be the best premade edh deck to pick up as my first? I generally like playing control, namely white/blue, but am open to try anything fun.

From my rather minimal experience playing I believe that I would want to build towards
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/597109-azami-lady-of-scolls-knowledge-is-power
or
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/561850-selvala-she-has-returned

though im open to any suggestions.

>>47760410
>baby deer

Is it possible to build Briarskull on a budget?

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Has anyone had success with Tazri? I love the idea of it, but my "meta" is squaring off against blue braids 1v1 most of the time, so unless it's vaguely serious, it's not even worth my time and wasted jank to proxy it.

>>47760410
Build Daretti stax like a man

>>47760410
It depends on your preferred playstyle, the 2011s are expensive now and generally not worth buying, the 2013s are average and still fairly cheap, 2014s white deck is shit and blue needs alot of work, 2015s any deck but the RW unless you think spending $40 for a sol ring and blade of selves is a good deal.

>>47754050
None of these are good by any standard.

>>47754050
I'm too lazy to make a pic, r8 me as you will

>Ezuri, Claw of Progress
>Nekusar the Mindrazer
>Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper
>Mimeoplasm

I also have 3 tiny leaders Jori En, Anafenza the Foremost, and old Ezuri

>killing the table with a Price of Progress while gaining like 90 life
That's a real special feeling.

>>47760857
Was Soulfire Grand Master involved?
I fancy the card, but I also can't fit it anywhere.

Just bought one of those resale packs with a Genesis Hydra promo. What's a good deck that can run it and other things that can give me free creatures?

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Which one of these brews should I end up building? Also what should I build Norin into?

>>47761039
It was, as was an Increasing Vengeance flashback and Reverberate

>>47761052
Oh my god, I have a boner right now.
>play Omnath
>have 200 mana
>cast Genesis Hydra for 100
>tutor Helix Pinnacle
>win

>>47761080
Who's your general, dear sir?

>>47761052
Monogreen elves and Zegana ramp/goodstuff come to mind. If you go monogreen and like getting two bodies for one card, Kalonian Twingrove is another fatty I have been wanting to try out.

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So I just discovered this guy. Apparently he's not super good but i really like the idea of making a deck around him and dictate of erebos/blood artist/ogre slumlord. Anybody ever play with or against someone using this guy? Any tips or ideas?

Also any suggestions for a blue commander good for instants and sorceries? Rise from the tides swells my pants like few other cards.

>>47761104
That actually sounds cool. Anyways, the packs I got were Journey into Nyx, Gatecrash, and Fate Reforged. I pulled:
>Skyspear Cavalry
>Blinding Flare
>Rollick of Abandon
>Hypnotic Siren
>Mardu Shadowspear
>Qarsi High Priest
>Sudden Reclamation
>Sage-Eye Avengers
>Showstopper
>Trostani's Summoner
>Putrefy
>Pontiff of Blight
Can any of these be used for any sort of deck, or are they junk cards?

>>47761152
I'd suggest Dralnu.
But Talrand, Mizzix and Melek are more traditional instant/sorcery generals.
I also can see Shu Yun running it fro late game goodies.

>>47760084
He can be strong but honestly he's better in the 99 of a GAA4 deck. Build what you want though, that's half the fun of the format

>>47761171
Definetly.
Putrefy is solid.
Trostani's Summoner for blink or token deck.
Sudden Reclamation for Sidisi or Gitrog or Hua Tuo dredge.
Pontiff of Blight for goodstuff, token or big mana deck.
All other card range from meh to okay.

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>>47761356
I think I might make a BG deck. I've got tons of Golgari lands anyhow, so the mana base won't be anything to worry about

>>47761135
Numot

It is not a nice deck

>>47753446
What's the commander that /tg/ hates, because you know when someone plays it, you're gonna have the most NO FUN ALLOWED game possible?
I think it was a R/W/G mix or something.

>>47761079
Selvala decklist? I've been wanting to make her work as a Stax/Hatebear deck.

>>47761289
Hmmm, dralnu and tarland have my interest. Dralnu because I like the color combination despite wizards not knowing what to do with it.

And i have a copy of high tide for tarland

>>47761455
Jacques le Vert

>>47761455
The only commander I hate is daretti but only because the faggot in my playgroup stacks his deck.

>>47761152
For Yukora, run Conspiracy and name Orges.

>>47761497
Dralnu is great. Brian Weissman plays a budget version on MTGO and I love the list:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/variant-commander/704749-2dh-brian-weissmans-dralnu-lich-lord

His replays go in depth into his decision making and will teach you to be better at Magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NrNlfyunjA

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>>47760820
>tiny leaders
Wew lad i bought into that 2 week meme hard, foiled out an entire varolz golglati infect deck and never even got to play a game befire people stopped playing
>mfw

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>>47761727
>run conspiracy
>counter the entire point of running a boardwide sac outlet.

Anon, if I wanted to do mono black tribal I'd just play zombies

>>47754811
For Sydri, if you have a lot of ETB abilities, Venser the Sojouner might be of use to you

>>47757156
All I want to be able to do is run Goblin Welder and Arcum in the same deck.

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R/W/U artifact commander?
Make Kaladesh Great Again

>>47761460
I'm out right now but once I get home I'll update the decklist and send it to you

>>47761718
Have everyone cut the deck of the person to their left

>>47761964
I want Daretti and Muzzio in the same deck

>>47762195
I mean, that too

>>47762091
>all creatures have defender

How do I teach my group that mana rocks are an important part of deckbuilding, and who is the best commander to punish my group for not running them?

>>47762465
Mono red MLD
UW prison control with Armageddon's out of the ass

>>47762465
Kazuul

Blow up everyone's lands, force attacks and start pooping out Ogre tokens because they can't pay 3

>>47762465
Jund LD with shattergangbang brothers keep them off land then sac your own stuff so they dont have creatures either

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>Pendrell Vale is $800 on average
That card costs more than all my decks combined and it would be perfect for one of my decks

>>47761851
My group plays tiny leaders when we meet up. Never truly invested in this format since all of those is made from crap we had lying around

>>47762888
>paying hundreds of dollars for something that's going to be removed by a $2 Ghost Quarter

No thanks.

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>>47762888
>mfw I just got two of those in the mail, along with a set of Power, 2 Workshops, and an Imperial Seal (plus some other stuff)
I would shitpost by saying something like "stay mad, poorfag", but I'm a poorfag who had a rich cousin who died, so whatever. It's stupid expensive and not really worth the cost, sadly.

>>47762942
I just sold two Tabbies.

I wonder if you bought mine.

>>47762965
Didn't buy anything. Cousin's mother, my aunt, mailed me his cards.

>>47762942
Wow bro, you are superior to us in every way im jealous, no really you are the best player in this thread i hope you win every game with your superiority

>>47761460
>>47762118
Here you go:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/selvala-explorer-returneds-parley-party/

>>47762901
Everyone here said they would play but that lasted a week before they all went back to standard only

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>>47763043
It varies on the group I guess. We still play it and have been for the past, been hurting for a normal ol game since its mostly commander or tiny leaders with them but when you have 2 people who print out cards off their printers and insist they totally own this card its not fun either, had to lock that shit down with one of the guys in our group and his "$2000" nath deck

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FUN
U
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well, just had a Kruphix Eldrazi guy RQ on me, here's the storytime:
>Plays ramp spells for the first few turns, reach and such
>Plays Kozilek
>Riptide Entrancer his Kozilek
>He plays JTMS and Brainstorms instead of bouncing
>Kill JTMS with his Kozi
>He tries to Capsize Kozi, Voidmage Prodigy it
>Rites Kozilek, I bounce with little known fomat MVP Equilibrium
>Play Unblinking Bleb
>He's tapped out, so I go for a facedown Brine Elemental and flip with Ixidor
>Next turn backslide Brine Elemental and do it again
>Get a nut draw of Dermoplasm
>Put Brine Elemental facedown again and flip again
he quit while I was scrying for my second time that turn.

>>47763312
How is this a rage quit? Scooping in response to a combo is kinda common...

>>47763517
he just left mid turn without saying anything, also it wasn't a hard lock, I could only do it for one more turn.

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I enjoy this card

>>47763797
Should also affect Islands flavor-wise.

>>47763835
Blue and white are allied colors on the pie though, should affect red

>>47763797
>updated oracle text says nothing about black mana symbols, just "sac a swamp"
I'm buying and running this. My meta is full of black decks.

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>>47763797
Staple in all my decks because 100% of opponents are in green

>>47763932

Gay

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>>47763876
Your mountains have been affected by drought.

>>47763797

Also gay

>>47763946
>>47763970
Found the Golgari player

>>47763835
Swamps get drained all the time. Have you ever seen anyone drain an ocean?

>>47763946
Back to the forest with you eladamri!

>>47764059
>>47763984

Ultra gay

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I also enjoy this card

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>>47764095
That second part seems really specific but GOD DAMN a red mass bounce spell is too spicy

Imagine the salt that would flow if it was combined with this

>>47764095

This one is better cuz it affects 2 colors

Still a little gay but not as much

>>47764177
Why do you not like color hate, anon? It's necessary sometimes, like MLD

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>>47764095
>Return all Islands to their owner's hands

>>47764144
What if at the beginning of a player's upkeep, that player doesn't control any non-island lands, yet is force to by this card?

I made a very terrible stax deck that could use some help

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hokori-salt-sower/

pls help

>>47764256
There are no legal targets so the ability fizzles

>>47764195

Because it reeks of close minded fools, either you or your opponents, if your opponents all have only 1 deck and they all play the same color, you have a shit playgroup but I'd understand you want to run a card that is good against them

It just seems like bad card design to me, the card is either useless or perfect, depending on facts outside your control, that is not good card design

Good players play all 5 colors and good metas have balanced colors to a certain extent

>>47764318

And when I say "perfect" I mean "unfairly overpowered, a complete blowout"

It's bad design to have cards that are either useless or overpowered depending on things outside your control

Do any of you actually have fun winning that way? You only force your opponent to play a different color and make your card useless

it's different if you play edh with sideboards, then it's quite reasonable to pack these in your sideboard

>>47764258
That Eon Hub + Hokori combo is gross

>>47764402

It's just a worse stasis basically

>>47764425
Yeah but you don't skip the untap step outright

With that and Unwinding Clock out you get all your rocks up, and with Lattice it's everything

>>47764506

I see

>no Crucible reprint in EMA
What were they thinking

>>47764852
About how to put as little worth in the set as possible.
>Three chances to print enemy color fetches between MM2, C15, and EMA

>>47764888

>implying C15 was a chance to print enemy fetches

They'd be charging you twice msrp at the game stores, the single copy of the enemy fetchland would take up the entire msrp on its own

>>47764935
So your LGS is shit. Mine sells everything at MSRP.

>>47764946

Mine sells most things at msrp, because wotc has the foresight to not make their products worth more than the msrp

In fact I spoke incorrectly, if fetchlands were in the C15, you wouldn't be able to buy them for any price, the stores would simply open then and take out the fetches, then sell you the individual cards

>>47764246
You remind me of myself

>>47764888
>printing fetches in limited print run sets
It's like you don't actually want them to be affordable

>>47755809
Squee + loots
Seriously underrated
>>47760524
I've gotten to a decent list methinks, have a look if you want. O-or don't
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/go-fast-allies/
This is geared more towards 1v1 with lots of smaller guys. Otherwise if you play it as a pseudo combo deck with blinking allies to trigger their etbs.
I hate running lots of small, shitty tribal guys as it goes against everything I always say, but getting shit down early is way too important for allies so that you get the etbs rolling.

>>47765171

>Store Jews you this hard
>go to Walmart
>take it to your Jew LGS
>Stare him down as you open it in front of him

>>47765590

How exactly did they Jew me (in this hypothetical scenario)??

By not selling me a product for half what it's worth?

>>47765534

>playing lots of small tribal guys goes against everything I always say

Explain further

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>overloaded Vandalblast to make rocks go boom
>cast this
>watching people mentally wrestle between letting their mana base blow up mid-game or paying a shitload of life to keep them

Man, Boros "blow shit up" decks are fun

>>47765615

Because they want to nickel and dime a mass circulation product with a massive print run. It's not like charging $80+ for FTV:X since it is extremely limited.

If they hypothetically do that to their product, then you hypothetically don't support it because it's asinine.

>>47765804

What's asinine about taking basically the number 1 most in demand cards in all of magic and selling them individually?

a much smaller number of people care about the commander precons than the number who care about enemy fetches, they would make way way more money by selling the fetchlands than they would by marking up the commander decks to account for $50 cards in them

And if they didn't mark them up, they'd be literally throwing away money

I'm not understanding your view here at all

In this hypothetical scenario the only asinine party would be wotc for printing $50 cards in a starter product like a commander precon meant to all for 30-40

>>47765795

>pay 6 life or sac 6 lands what a conundrum

Are we playing the same game?

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Best commander.

>>47765980
My group is not the brightest and cannot keep lands in hand

Also the resident flip Nissa player blows his fucking Forest load all over the table and runs no rocks

>>47766007

land destruction is good againts opponents who dont keep lands in hand

when i say land destruction i mean cards like armageddon, and boom//bust, and wake of destruction

cleansing, on the other hand, is a shit card, because paying 1 life or sac'ing a land is no choice at all, you pay the 1 life in 99 out of 100 cases

>>47760635
Just fuck me senseless, I bought the 2015 RW precon and yes It's worse than the rest, specially the GB one.
I don't dislike the general nor I regret spending the money but she's fucking underpowered while the others can get exp counters fast and easy I'ts not fair.
I just hope the 2016 precons are more balanced.

>>47758823
Atog was printed in OG mirrodin and is reasonably easy to find that printing. Plus you can do the affinity fling combo too.

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r8 my commanders, /tg/

>>47766434

let's just say that playing against you would be preferable to suicide

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Any recommendations for my Polukranos fight tribal deck? I know I have only 98 cards, I'm in the process of taking out the cards I already have so I can just order the ones I need. The one missing card is Sylvan Library.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/polukranos-fights-to-fight/

As one of the only people in my meta not playing UGX or GBX I think I'm developing a persecution complex. Why the hell does no one want to play anything but Esper, BUG good stuff/graveyard stuff. I can't stand it anymore

>>47766509
Why is that? I've run into little to no problems in my LGS or in my own personal friend group.

>>47766543

read my post again

>>47766560
What? I have no idea what you're trying to say? You seem to be implying that either my commanders are bad or cancerous, when my experiences with them have never once indicated that. So I asked you why you said that. I really don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>47766606
How is being preferable to suicide a bad thing?

>>47765759
I usually avoid playing or advise playing all of x guys in a tribal deck, because most of them suck, see merfolk as one example, treefolk as another.
Some people when building tribal just go in magiccards.info, type in the subtype the tribe, and add all creatures of that type.
Why I'm doing this with allies, is because their synergies require you to have a good amount of allies to be really strong, whereas some of the elf or merfolk or whatever tribe don't need that many.

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I like green ok

>>47766689

i gotcha

slivers > allies

slivers are almost all good and they only get better when they're together

whereas you need to run like every ally ever printed to fill up your commander deck and half of them are shit

>>47766606
he's saying that he would rather play you than kill himself

>>47766723

>all tri-color

boring

>>47766740
>>47766662
Oh ok. That's a weird expression if you were to give someone a compliment though.

>>47766723
>uril
mah nigga

>>47766770

you're right it was a lame joke, so lame other people had to explain it

basically i wanted to give you the minimum possible rating but if i said 1/10 that would imply negative when i really just meant that i have nothing positive to say

i guess 5/10 ??

>>47766741
whats wrong with that my dude

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>tfw grimgrin is the sloppiest piece of shit """deck""" I've ever made
>got a few really lucky draws in some games and play group is convinced it's the most broken spike deck they've ever seen
>I feel only disappointment every time I look at it

Like, one fucking game where I reanimate'd it that betrays and baleful force on turn 3 and they wont let it go. That's not even fucking game over. I have practically no counterspells in the deck so one board wipe would have set everything back to normal

how do you folks suggest making a Pharika deck? I really want to use her but I just am looking at her and edh rec and seeing nothing other than some enchantments matter themes, which doesn't seem like enough for a single deck

>>47766794

nothing wrong it, per se, i just prefer mono and 2-color

tri-color decks all feel the same to me, even when the colors are different

like 2 different tri color birthing pod decks? seems boring as hell

>>47766521
Lurking predators
Maybe tooth and nail or quicksilver amulet to cheat in fatties
If you want removal in mono green
Lignify and song of the dryads

>>47766541

Why don't you run Anafenza GY Enchantress hate bears and fuck them all in the ass?

>>47766831
sorry m8 but pharika kinda sucks. her decks are either bad enchantress or BG good stuff that only ever casts pharika when they need to hate on someone else's graveyard

>>47760820
>Jori En
My nigga, best mermaid waifu.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/it-takes-two/

>>47766857

>he doesn't know how to play Pharika

>>47766831

I got your back famila

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pharika-build/

>>47766831

ill never understand people like you

in what way exactly do you "really want to use her" but somehow have no idea how to build her

makes no sense to me, when i want to build a commander, its because i have cards in mind that seem like they pair well with that commander

do you just like the art?

also, pharika has a pretty simple ability, im not sure where you're confused on what to do, when your creatures die, you turn them into deathtouch snakes

What is your favorite way to punish overextensive ramping/refusal to interact with the board? I ask because my playgroup has degenerated to cancer in the past few weeks

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I'm torn EDHG. I want to build so many decks, but I don't know which to start first. I have a list if any of you want to weigh in.

Numot: Land Destruction
Oros: Deathtouch/Boardwipes/Graveyard Control
Treva: Enchantress
Skithiryx: Infect Voltron

>>47766907
armageddon, death cloud, board wipes, smokestack, winter orb, etc

>>47766907

well MLD is the traditional counter to mass land ramp

vandalblast/bane of progress for artifact mana

if your opponents are "refusing to interact" then you can punish that with infinite combos

>>47766870
Thanks, deck list looks sweet and I'll keep it in mind when I make mine

>>47766889
It's that I like the art and it was a gift from when I got into mtg, so I have a sentimental value and want to use her, just wanted to see if there was some combo I wasn't aware of with her

>>47766907
Jhoira U/R counter burn

Destroy their artifacts
Ping/burn their ramp creatures
Counter anything they try to do, only be interactive
Then cheat in fatties and rape them

>>47766806
How are you running Karametra?

>>47765987
I'd allow it at the table

>>47767213
?

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>>47766806
Secret grimgrin tech

>>47767277

I think he meant "post your Karametra list"

>>47767294
Shit, that makes sense.

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>>47767279
>tfw your commandfu will never get nonsensical support cards from the awkward years of design to make them viable.

>>47767213
i'll type it up on tappedout. it used to be a lot meaner running shit like living plane and natural affinity with the idea of tutoring up elesh norn and killing everyone's lands. I took elesh norn out because I needed her in legacy reanimator and I'm too cheap to buy a 2nd one and just dropped the land destroying plan all together so the deck is a lot "fairer" now.

>>47767382

>plays legacy
>can't buy another $15 card

What the actual fuck

Why does nobody on this board make any sense whatsoever?

>>47766791
And why is that? Is it just the commanders I chose or something else?

>>47767422
our shop does unreported legacy events and allows for 12 proxies per deck so my duals are fake. legacy is actually not that expensive once duals are out of the picture.

>>47763268
replace stuffy doll with spitemare/mog maniac/boros reckoner and darksteel plate/avacyn/anything else that gives indestructible, clear the table.

>>47767437

Basically can't stand anybody who calls their deck a "politics" deck

But I like keranos so that deck is a wash

And then the rest of the decks are fine but the fact that you already have marath and Xenagod and want to build mayael strikes me as really weird

>>47767213
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dirty-hippie-goddess/

going through the list reminded me of how many things I've traded out of the original list when I was more serious about commander. used to have a life from the loam in there to abuse the cycle lands and just never got around to replacing it. also had a strip mine in there at one time but when I ended up in a new, significantly lower powered group I took it out

>>47767472
When I said "poliitcs" I more or less referred to how I played him. What I usually try and do is strike deals with people about who gets the lightning bolts and stuff like that if that makes sense.

As for Marath, Xenagos, and Mayael, all three have similar themes but different playstyles in my opinion. Marath is all about casting Marath for either counters or tokens, Xenagos is about doubling up creatures and making them bigger than they already are, and Mayael is leaving that shit to luck and just top decking creatures. That being said, I'm a huge fan of Green/Gruul and fat monsters so that's why I built Xenagos and Marath.

>>47767532

Marath can definitely be unique but Xenagod and mayael seem very very similar and it just seemed weird that you would build the same deck again just in a slightly diff color combo when you've already made that color combo

You do you tho, I barely find time to play all my decks anyway and I only have 4 currently, like you

>>47767568
Explain to me how Xenagos and Mayael seem very similar because I don't see it. Xenagos is all about adding multiplying counters to your already-big creatures while Mayael is just topdecking big creatures and putting as many onto the board as fast as possible. Two entirely different strats.

>>47767630
maybe they're similar in the "BIG CREATURE SMASH LITTLE MAN FACE" play style

>>47761152
Kuon?

>>47767630
This exactly
Xenophobe is ramp into fatties and turn them sideways
Mayael is "oh boy i hope i topdeck a fatty with cmc 6 or greater and put it into play" then turn them sideways

Mayael is my casual fun times multiplayer deck for when i really dont want to think

>>47767648
Ok I can see that
>>47767693
When you put it that way they are similar but I think that's just oversimplifying it. The key difference between the two imo is that Xenogos multiplies the power and toughness of a creature by putting counters on it while Mayael doesn't and just tries to amass as many biggies as she can.

>>47767806
>Xenogos multiplies the power and toughness of a creature by putting counters on it
What

>>47767864
>At the beginning of combat on your turn, another target creature you control gains haste and gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is that creature's power.
Basically doubles a creature's toughness and power.

>>47767920
The ability has nothing to do with counters, though.

>>47766806
What is the grimgrin list? Being disappointed in a deck but your group hating it sounds... contrary.

>>47767952
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grimgrin-hungry-2/

I was like "let's build zombie tribal that sounds fun" but then I realized i didn't have enough relevant zombies to actually do that and just filled in the missing spaces with random shit.

Win conditions are rooftop storm + gravecrawler + sac outlet abuse like every other grimgrin deck, or rite of replication + gary.

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Built my very first Commander deck the other day, mono red lead by this bad ass motherfucker right here. Having a ton of fun with it so far; EDH is so much more fun than Standard.

Cyclonic rift ban when?
Blue ban when?

>>47766907
cyc rift

>>47753446
I actually run Geth in one of my other EDH decks and I tend to get annoyed at how stupid the other players get. Seriously. A Geth drops and suddenly everyone assumes it's there shit I want to target.

Yes, I'm planning on stealing your clone to clone the only high value creature (my Geth) when the other player has an Eternal Witness and my graveyard is full of good shit which I can get back for much cheaper.

It's not like you should hold mana open for the counterspell for the Craterhoof Behemoth you know that other guy is holding.

Seriously. It sometimes seems like in multiplayer EDH people react violently to anything that MIGHT be a threat until they're out of answers. then I die while I'm the only one dealing with actual threats. Then a random person wins because everyone fired off every answer in their hand and they had the last threat standing.

>>47766907
If theyre ramping into tooth and nails use reiterate and forks to win before it finishes casting. Ramping into fatties is punished by bribery, stolen goods ect ect. Also dumping lands for effects/mana advantage is beaten by balance and armagedon and such. Craterhoof is also busted by blind obedience and extort makes it a sweet value card on top. I guess fulminator, strip mine and wasteland get honorable mentions for blowing out specific lands.

Storytime, gather around!
>Playing Slobad Stax/MLD
>vs Zedruu
>Mull to 6, get a hand with Pithing Needle, Faithless Looting, Gilded Lotus and Sculpting Steel and some land
>T1 Pithing Needle Zedruu
>Fast forward a few turns, he drops Aggresive Mining
>I go Gilded Lotus, Tap for Sculpting Steel Lotus
>He Donates me Aggressive Mining, I sac a land eot
>Sac another land on my turn, cast faithless Looting drawing into Boom/Bust
>End up stalling a few turns getting rid of all my lands, hit Blood Moon and Lodestone Golem and cast themas well
>cast Boom/Bust after I've sacced all my lands
>Slam Winter Orb
>cast Daretti, +2 and to my dismay draw Blightsteel
>Cast Mox Opal and use it to cast Forgemaster and Lighting Greaves
>+2 Daretti, discarding Blightsteel to shuffle it away
>Forgemaster for Blightsteel and equip Greaves to it
>Swing lethal infect
The guy seemed rather new, he didn't know what some of his cards did, so after the game I explained to him how giving me Aggressive Mining broke the symmetry of MLD and let me take advantage of it. I'm actually thinking about adding it to my decklist after getting Donated it, though I don't like that once I cast it I have pretty much no way to get rid of it in mono-red. Anyone have experience running Aggressive Mining?

>>47768569
I have no experience myself with it, but I've been thinking about card draw in mono red decks and Mining + Walking Atlas seems to fit the bill.

>>47768569

Turn it into an artifact and sacrifice it. Revoke Existence on it (or whatever the colorless exile instant is). I'm pretty sure there are a few artifacts that will destroy enchantments for you.

Rate pls

What should I do next? I'm leaning heavily towards some sort of mono black as a counterpart to Heliod. Erebos comes to mind, what do?

>>47768569
I ruined an Iona player's whole shit with it once, he was real pissed

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>>47768880
I didn't attach a picture.

wew

>>47768925
could you post heliod list?
im brewing an enchantment deck, maybe mono white or UW, because i'd like to have blue's tools for board control while i set up my board-locking stuff

>>47768998
Sure, I'll post what I use. Gimme a sec to put it up on tappedout.

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>>47768998
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/heliod-stuff-1/

There you are.

>>47769046
thank you, this gives me some ideas
i wonder if there are any good UW commanders for enchantment decks

>>47769388
UW is one of the better color combos for control lockdown

>>47769440
indeed it is, that's why i'm going to build a modern UW enchantment deck and an EDH one
i just really like playing blue, i guess.
after i finished my UB duskcrank deck, i just wasnt the same anymore

>>47769440
>>47769463
FUCK, AUGUSTIN
im retarded, disregard me

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>Slowly but surely convincing my group to play commander

>>47769547
Kazuul is fun you should build him

You know, I used to be all for cards that fuck up nonbasics hardcore. But as I try to revamp my five color deck's manabase, I realize that those cards hurt scrubs running tri-lands and guild gates much much more than the actual expensive manabases that can run fetches.

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>>47768998
*cough*

>>47769547
If you're going Izzet build Mizzix senpai.

I'm kind of pissed at the five signets I run in 5 color. The timing restriction of their use is more relevant than I had anticipated.

So, I'm considering replacing them with Talismans. However, with 10 shocks, City and Confluence, I've definitely hit myself for more than ten in games already.

Would I be better off adding 5 cards like Commander's Sphere and Prismatic Lens? I already run Ingot and Lantern.

>>47758274
>>47757561
Ghave is almost strictly better than Daghatar as long as you don't mind the extra turn before he comes down

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I run a mostly preconstructed Roon blink shenanigans deck and for a long time ran an esper control/combo deck with merieke as commander.

I changed my Esper deck to a Zur voltron/stax deck, with more emphasis on creatures.

I use stax effects to slow the game down in my favor but don't do locks, for this reason I run about 12 creatures one of which being Bruna, just in case Zur becomes targeted too many times.

Zur decks build themselves practically but I still think that Narset builds just as bad if not worse decks and doesn't get nearly as much hate as Zur.

>>47770051
>Zur becomes targeted too many times.
Your zur needs to apply for some diplomatic immunity m8.

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>>47764235
>Instant

>>47770051
Narset gets tons of hate here, people just haven't been talking about her as much as they used to. She's still used as an example commander to diagnose a malignant meta.

Quick, post your top 3 commanders that you've played/played against! (Either fun or strength goes)

For me it's been Mayael, Thromok, and Sedris.

Looking to build some sort of Tibor and Lumia Stax deck? Any recommendations?

>>47771661
I'm genuinely curious as to how you came up with Tibor and Lumia when deliberating a stax general.

>>47771719
Deathtouch plus red spell?

>>47758929
>Daddy Zaddy
I was always under the impression that Zada was a lady goblin, am I wrong?

>>47761890
but that's not a boardwipe, it only kills your own board

>>47772896
I believe she's a girl, but she's a goblin, so it's kind of a moot point. I do love my Zada deck though. Super satisfying when it actually goes off.

>>47766730
Yea, slivers are better. I just like Tazri because allies are ______fun______
You can even play Sliver Queen storm/combo, whereas Tazri somewhat forces you to play Allies.
And with Slivers as you said, most are ok or good, leaving you to cut out only the jankest jank, as well as being cheap. Whereas the good Allies are highly costed, meaning you have to play the shittier Allies to trigger the Ally etb effects.
Single allies are better standalone though, Talus Paladin can grow to large sizes and still compete with the board on its own in a way Telekinetic Sliver just can't. How you get left with only one guy I don't know. Seems a bit unlikely to me.

>>47772573
Is there Deathtouch in R/U?

>>47773479


From what I search there isnt any deathtouch in U/R. There are three artifacts that grant it though.

Doesn't seem that great.

>the monoblack devotion player uses strands of night to reanimate Gary for the 6th time

So gary getting banned when?

>>47773479
>>47773536
Deathtouch equipment then casting a red spell.

>>47773561
Not sure if serious.

A two-card combo that needs 6+ turns to win and depends on the graveyard is tame. I would really like to see how your group would respond to cathar's crusade + assemble the legion.

>>47773829
the problem isn't any two card combo winning in X amount of time, I'm sorry you couldn't interpret beyond what I wrote because your intellect is inferior, the problem is gary is a brainless inclusion into any black deck that becomes a problematic game ending threat all on it's own once any type of graveyard recursion occurs, which every single Bx deck has plenty of.

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>>47773902

Your follow-up psot would be more effective if you dialed down the level of euphoric. Better luck next time.

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Anyone have a link for a spicy cantrips U/W fliers deck? I was thinking Daxos or Medomai, but I've also heard Noyan Dar can be pretty spicy upon occasion, if there is a way to make sure my precious lands don't instantly get bounced.

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>>47773902
Wow a creature that interacts well with its colors is a staple? Color me surprised.
Why don't you just exile it before it comes back for the fifth time? It's not like your opponent has more than one in his deck.

>>47773561
Right after Craterhoof and Cyclonc Rift.

>>47773902
>>47773561
>banning gary
What are you talking about? He's a 5 mana sorcery on a stick that depends heavily on board presence. There are 10 trillion ways to make sure he doesn't blow up the board when he comes out, and that's not including just countering him as soon as he's cast. I think you're complaining about small potatoes. I bet you complain about blightsteel colossus too.

>>47773602
True that

Targeting a Chandra's Ignition on something equipped with a Basilisk Collar is a magical feeling

>>47774051
I'm sorry your inferior intellect cannot fathom the difference my sir of diminutive intelligence. There are not even 10 trillion different cards in the game, and blightsteel colossus does not become better with recursion. Intellectual touchdown.

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>>47774077
>intentionally misinterpreting hyperbole to jerk off for strangers on the internet
Anon, take a moment and look at what you're doing for a second.

>>47774125
Look at what YOU are doing good sir. You just compared a 12 mana creature that takes thought and skill to use correctly to a five mana creature that brainlessly fits into any black deck and becomes an oppressive win condition when combined with any form of recursion. I would further battle you with wits but I see you are unarmed.

>>47774179
>>47774125
>Trolling this poorly
>Fucking falling for it

You should both be ashamed of yourselves.

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Post some underrated cards.

I love this sassy bastard. I was playing in an EMA draft and he was consistently an all-star. As much as he's a little over-costed, he's a real problem if your opponent doesn't have available wraths or reach.

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>>47773970
I think this is what you're looking for.

>>47774412
Sweet baby jesus, that's perfect. Absolutely perfect.

Do you have any experience running him? I can already see bouncing a blocker during combat, declaring the blocker in their hand once damage is dealt, and searching for something sexy while my opponent pouts.

>>47774453
No personal experience, but I know Isperia works pretty decent as a toolbox commander using creatures that also have flying. Consecrated Sphinx, Sphinx of Uthuun, Brago are some useful fliers.
Other than that, the occasional way to see someone's hand with Telepathy effects, and ways to keep fliers in control (Teferi's Moat for budget, or Moat if you have the cash).
After you've built the core, pad it out with cantrips/removal/counters and you're golden.

>>47774514
>brago has flying
Wow, why didn't I know that?

Thanks anon, you've given me inspiration for a very fun deck. After a quick look on edhrec, I have a lot of useful things already, like Sphinx of Evos Isles and Thunderclap Wyvern. The only thing that I'm leery of is the very specific devotion for the commander, versus the high devotion costs of some fun things I'd like to run, but that's a pretty easy problem to solve.

How is Narset in multiplayer?

>>47775711
Cancer

>>47755809
Staff of Nin is value in almost any deck, but I've been having a surprising amount of success with Tamiyo's Journal and Magnifying Glass because of how little agro they draw.

>>47774636

you mean warden of evos isle, which is not a sphinx at all but a bird

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anybody care to rate my Sedris the Traitor King deck?

before you suggest sundial of the infinite, i know of the card i just wasnt sure i wanted it before, i might add it again, but in general i'd prefer suggestions of less obvious cards

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greatest-hits-remixed/

>>47776156
Only now do I realise how cartoonishly stupid sedris looks.

>>47766870
You're Pharika deck is probably my fave deck on this board

>>47776510

why?

>>47776493

you have bad taste

>>47770430
I run diplomatic immunity.

>>47763212
What is the problem with proxy cards? Let people play what they want, it should be more fun for everyone. Not everybody has the money to spend. Also you are not playing in a sanctioned tournament

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>>47768482

This literally happened to me last Thursday night anon, retard used a Banishing Light and some other removal spell to kill my Geth and then we all just died to the guy dealing everyone 6 damage a turn w/ a damage doubler out.

Fucking retards man.

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r8/h8/appreci8

the decks are ordered in terms of power

alright it was about time for a new one

>>47777032
>>47777032
>>47777032

>>47777037
I fucked up the title someone make a new one

>>47777037
>>47777052
>>47777100