Warhammer 40k General

First for Lorgar

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Let's start this general off with some bingo! Today's free tile is: CHINAMAN

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More rumours schmumours.

4th for memeseed

>>47709460
>That #YearofTzeentch
God i wish

>>47709484
well last year was the Year of Khorne, with all the new AOS stuff.
And several rumourmongers did say that tzeentch was getting stuff next, which is proving to be true with the silver tower, at least, so why not?

>>47709405
Fantastic, that should be a (kinda) economical way to bring my forces onboard. Can you mix Chaos Marines and Cultists? I noticed that they have separate lists.

>>47709528
Yes, you can have "Cultist Squads" in Chaos kill teams, which consist of 5 cultists for 20 points a squad. This usually isn't a very good way of spending your points though, since you're limited to only 20 core models, and 20 cultists would be 80 points.

>>47709459
So whats with the ad mech greentext?

>>47709558
It's literally any mention or use of the word "Admech". It's an old meme that hasn't been replaced yet.

Which reminds me, there's two tiles remaining that need new shit to put on them, so I need suggestions. The two tiles to be replaced are, ">Admech", and "Mathhammer doesn't tell you how units actually perform"

>>47709553
Again, fantastic. My friends recently expressed interest in doing something 40k, but none of them have the time/interest for playing the full game (or the money or time to assemble an army). This'll be a good way to get back into things.

It also gives me an excuse to buy a little of everything. I was fucking astonished by the Skitarii figures when I first saw them.

>>47709583
>>47709558
It could also mean combined admech codex when?

>>47709619
Ooh, ooh, I can fill a Bingo square.
>Admech shouldn't get a new codex before sisters because we've been waiting longer
What fun!

>>47709619
It seems mad to me that there's two different codecies for them. Why did that come about?

>>47709583
I feel like one of them should be "chaos is fine, just use daemons, LOW and no CSM units".

>>47709670
To sell double the books

>>47709670
So games workshop can get away with splitting a codex in half, and forcing people to buy both in order to have a coherent army.

>>47709670
GW didn't want to put out eight plastic kits in the same week.

thanks to various outside circumstances, they've stopped putting out rules without miniatures accompanying them

>>47709682
>>47709683
Ah, yeah, that does sound like the GW I remember from years past.

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>>47709460

>>47709670
Because gay whoreshit

>>47709460
I want a daemon Fulgrim mini like the next guy, but I really hate the idea of having Primarchs in 40k.

Seems to me like the lazy way to go on with the story.

>>47709745
>30k is popular
>GW is doing a shitload of demon releases
>main studio handles demon primarchs while FW focuses on the not demon ones
It's boring, but that's part of why it's not that unbelievable a rumor.

I've no interest in primarchs, though. Give me deathwatch, baby.

>>47709508
>so why not?

Games Workshop and Forge World have always had huge boners for Khorne and Nurgle.

I play mono-Tzeentch and don't want to get my hopes up.

>>47709745
>>47709787
I still kinda resent the Horus Heresy blowing up and taking focus away from 40k. I guess it needed to happen, since 40k can't really go many places on a grand narrative scale, but I always preferred that the origin story was a time of legends and vague accounts.

>>47709830
I feel almost the same.
I don't dislike 30k because it's a prequel. We know what happened.

But in 40k i like how certain doom is upon anyone, and Primarchs are really the only variable but have yet to make the first move.

Bringing the Primarchs back is going from Grimdark to a standard Fantasy, with Gods clashing each others for the sake of selling minis.

Which book are you supposed to use to represent Elysians? How about Harakoni? I'm assuming Scions for the latter.

>>47709905
If 30k allows certain xenos like orks, eldar and any other very old races Id be fine with it.
I just want to WAAAGH damnit

>daemon primarch Lorgar:
Never
>plastic greater daemons
In a couple of years maybe

But fear not, there will be more speeeeeeeeeeez marine special characters

>>47709905
>Primarchs are really the only variable but have yet to make the first move.

Well Angron did make a move and got assfucked by GK, so unless they retcon this he will not appear in current 40k. Magnus seems to be the only other one interested in doing anything, the others seem fine to just sit around.

>>47709939
2nd edition Imperial Armour 3 has generic elysians.
2nd edition Imperial Armour 4 has the d-99 regiment

>>47709830
Well now it's like a mystery novel where the mystery and intrigue is being peeled back and it's not as good as we thought it would be but we keep going because now we just want to see how it ends.

>Thousand Sons confirmed
I probably won't be buying any since I already have 2 squads but I'm eager to see the new boxes. Plus the book's practically guaranteed to have 3-4 Thousand Sons specific formations so I'm pretty excited.

The new codex will ultimately decide if I'll take my CSM seriously or leave them for when I want to play something superfriendly.

>>47710029

Thank you, based anon.

It's been eight months since the last codex.

What's GW up to?

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>>47710085
Wargear is largely a result of playing around with the Space Marine Painter but I'm thinking of calling these guys Dusk Wardens.

Basically a fleet based Raven Guard successor who specializes in two-pronged attacks, an alpha strike to the leadership of the opposing force followed immediately by hitting the main army afterwards.

>>47710118
Board games, AoS, expansions (like the Fenris stuff that gave us back Wulfen, and Angels of Death).

>>47710139
Board games is a separate team (praise be to Rountree).

>>47709996
>the others seem fine to just sit around.
Angron and Mortarion have both lead 2 campaigns after the Heresy, one which almost lead to a considerable civil war. Lorgar is still an active leader of his legion and has his hand the battles they wage

>>47710146
Yeah, but it's the same modeling team for both meaning they have less time for main army releases, hence campaign books with mini-releases instead of full book updates.

>>47710160
Lorgar is written as a sulking sop who may or may not know he's actually fiction at this point.

>>47710160
>Lorgar is still an active leader of his legion
Source? I just finished the Word Bearers omnibus, and they complain about Lorgar fucking off into his temple and not doing anything.

>>47710194
Anon's source is their own ass it seems. I've never seen any real fluff that Lorgar is doing much of anything post Heresy.

Don't forget Pert helping out with a Black Crusade.
>>47710207
Apparently he's taught Lord Abigail Topknot some new daemon summoning rituals.

>>47710236
Doesn't mean he's really active, he probably just handed ol-Armless a copy of "Daemon Summoning for the Complete Moron" and buggered off.

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Fingers crossed this doesn't suck.

>>47710194
>>47710207
He's the "active leader" in that the Dark Council/Erebus/Kor Phaeron (The actual leaders, atm) all act in his name and all the various grand companies answer to them, and Lorgar through them. Lorgar Could reappear and take command of the Legion again, but he hasn't, so the Dark Council rules instead.

Yo people, if I want to use penal legionnaires for an ig force, should I just reference/make use of the 5th ed. codex for rules and points or use a fan-made one off dakkadakka?

Can't be arsed having to do a platoon command squad to field them as normal infantry, and they look nothing like vets since I've give the scum of humanity autoguns. Anyway, I think penal legions are still canon because of regiments like the Savlar chem dogs; and also because they've been featured in books like imperial armour 1.

>>47710255
>Get you Space Marine™ and xenos armies ready!

Roughly translates to

>Main characters get to kill some NPCs!

>>47710273
Acting in his name is not the same thing as him doing things. Most of the Imperium acts in the Emperor's name, but we all know he isn't actually doing shit to lead them.

>>47710255
>>47710280
You know it to be true. What are the chances of it being IG/SoB/Ordo Xenos Inquisitor and retinue vs aliens respectively? SoBs are of course .5%.

>>47710280
because we haven't seen that already?
totally original gw, g fuckin g

>>47710301
Its actually 0%, cant you read? Space marines and xenos only

ffs why don't they write more on pdf forces?

>>47710307
If it's not broken don't fix it I guess.
>>47710323
I didn't see that part.

>>47710255
>local GW store

People have those?

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>>47710273
>>47710291

>>47710379
It's Steve.

>>47710372
i do, i live out in the suburbs so there's been a gw within 10 miles or 20 mins for the past decade. oh and near Houston there are at least 5 lgs and 2 other GWs

>>47710379
>>47710414
It's Urist.

>>47710431
Sauce?

>>47710429
Weird.

There's only three in my entire state, two of them are basically right next to each other and about four hours away from the third.

>>47710449
Alpharius said so

>>47710372
>People have those?
I am ~45 minutes from 3 GWs and still go to an FLGS.

>>47710465
Nvm look like one is permanently closed now so its down to two.

>>47710459
Going to need to narrow that down a bit since I'm Alpharius and don't remember saying it.

>>47710379
His name is Emperor, formerly Conan the Cimmerian. He was so great of a person, that his name literally became the very word for supreme ruler.

>>47710449
It makes sense when you think of the Imperium as a Dorf Fort.

>>47710531
I never got into Dorf Fort all that much.

Probably because there were no models to build and paint.

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>>47710526
>Conan
So Emps was canonically the barbarian in Heroquest?

Man, heroquest was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A
>Remember kids, if you're going to be a beardy nerd, don't do things by halves.

>>47710255
>only SoB player at local store
>3 guys with marines
>1 guard player
>everyone else is tau, or necrons
Time to literally never beat anyone playing in this campaign

>>47709943
not with the current codex thank you.

welp reposting from ded thread.

Got a local doubles tournament coming up, 2k points per side, There's quite a few tryhard/waacfags coming so my usual 'fun' list wont even be fun so I figured I should put a disgusting list together too but idk where to start, this is what my initial draft up of 1k points looks like. my ally is csm

spiritseer

5 wraithguard
wave serpent / twin linked shuri cannons

5 rangers

3 windriders with scatterlasers

Crimson hunter
pulse laser/two bright lance

Vyper shuri cannon

Vyper shuri cannon

Wraithknight
two heavy wraithcannons

>>47710573
Bad =/= Unplayable

>>47710564
Look at the ground between Conan's left foot and the wizard. There is ONE tile between them. He is about three times the size of everyone in that room.

>>47710569
I know that feeling!

Beating Marines is about the only thing Sisters are good at. Kinda funny that the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus would be good at killing Marines. Anyways, play objectives over playing your opponent's Army and try to not get tabled.

- A fellow Sister's player

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>>47710569
Don't play sisters of battle as sisters of battle, play them as Discount Space Marines. Spam the everloving shit out of AP2 and melta, and table people like you should. Alternatively, just use the Space Marines codex with your sisters models if you really want an advantage.

> Captcha
WHAT THE FUCK

>>47710255
Will this be a return to the summer campaigns that become canonized?

>>47710456
GW is weird in general

they swap store owners/clerks if they don't sell enough then drop that lot for a cheaper lot across town. also houston is huge and i think one of the stores does qualifiers for some of the big tournaments

>>47710573
I think current codex Orks would probably be okay in 30k.

>>47710564
Explains why he's so HUGE.

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>>47710564
the emperor was also a fashion model

>>47710658
He was a lot of things.

To include that loli girl you beat off to you disgusting pervert.

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>>47710673
dang, ya caught me; i'm actually a keeper of secrets

>>47710692
I fucking knew it.

>>47710627
Anon, I've gotten a picture of a spess marheen mini, worms, Riptide Street, Akbar Road, and snakes to name a few things Captcha has thought to give us.

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>>47710564
I had two sets of Heroquest and I gave both of those away. To this day I have no idea what was I thinking back then...

>>47710625
Yep, Tau and Necrons are the real hard counters so they're challenging too.
The lack of OS on necrons is nice for us, but every transport getting popped the moment you go for objectives isn't!
>>47710627
I do that, my 1500 list (Standard at UK GW shops) is
Celestine
2x (BSSx5, HF/F, Immo TLMM)
3x (Domx5, 4xMG, VSS, Combi-Melta, Repressor)
3xExorcist
or something like that. The issue is that necrons and tau are both very good at making sure I can't do anything useful with doms (Lack of big transports, MC's over vehicles), and the backline exorcists can get battered (Scarabs, DS crisis suits)

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>>47710802
Someone's getting decimated for this.

>>47710862
Hit me up with some of that orange and silver flak armor.

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>>47710802

I don't get why this symbol of workplace safety took off in 40k. I mean okay, it's one thing if you turn it into a symbol of the Iron Warriors but I've seen people paint the hazard stripes on space marine powerfists, bolters, wires, IG vehicles thats when it starts getting stupid... baka senpai

>>47710862

>Summer campaign

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>47710906
Because it's funny to hit someone with a chainsword that is covered in hazard stripes?

That or the average Guardsman is so stupid he needs to be reminded that the weapon is dangerous.

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>>47710906
Also hazard stripes on power fists are pretty retro.

>>47710906
Despite memes like "Land Raiders are Dark Age of Technology tractors" not being true, there is a lot of military tech in the Imperium with industrial or farming roots. The Imperial Knight codex says its battle cannon and chain sword are as much for mining and logging as they are for defense.

>>47710926
I think they mean "military campaign" not "gaming campaign".

The "Suffer not the Alien to Live" looks more likely to be a campaign than the flak vest picture.

>>47710255
>eldar win, the event

>>47711030
Depends on what the event is. Could be Kill Teams with Marines vs Xenos.

>>47710876
about this anyone has play Renegade?
i want some robot on robot action not porn and the rules seems simple enough for that but i will use some dreadnought and centimeters for measures

also does anyone care if i convert a stompa for renegade? i want to do it

>>47711078
>Eldar win even harder, the event.

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Why do 3/13 tactical heads have the sergeant skull on them?

Based Duncan did a video on the new gemstone paints.
https://youtu.be/XUBtItceuec

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>>47711216

Maybe your chapter doesn't mark their sergeants with a skull on forehead.

Maybe you can build *gasp* multiple sergeants!

So has anyone seen the rumours on natfka regarding Dark Eldar?

How much can we rely on these kinds of rumours? My DEldars are suffering right now.

>>47711286

why dont you share some of those rumours, you dumb pale dog

>>47711310
Alright.

Dark Eldar Rumors!
The next Dark Eldar codex is due out in the second half of 2016 with several changes.

Raiders are *free* for anything that can take dedicated transports.

Venoms are not free but can disembark passengers after moving 12″.

Wyches sound *good* and fluffy – and they’re getting new models. They all get shred and hydra gauntlets cause blindness. They also have the innate ability to choose to wound off their choice of attributes rather than toughness. So they can pick initiative and wound Necrons on a 3+. That’s what Wyches do to slow people. Their Hecatrix rerolls *everything* in a challenge.

Combat drugs are on a 2D6 chart and are optional.

Darklight weapons (dark lances, blasters, blast pistols) all gain the blind special rule.

During night fighting all enemy units are treated as affected by the blind special rule and there are powers to make it dark on various rounds.

Whenever a Dark Eldar unit with the Power From Pain rule attacks an enemy unit that’s blinded, those attacks gain rending and instant death.

Power from Pain is no longer a turn chart. Instead there are different types of pain the army focuses on, during a given turn and the army fights differently based on what’s chosen. No more details other than that.

The Court of the Archon gets a second copy of the warlord’s warlord power. Additionally enemies do not achieve the Slay the Warlord objective until they’ve killed both the warlord and the Court.

Succubi are like what Lilith Hesperax is right now. Not exactly sure what that means.

Hellions can hit-and-run on their initiative step rather than at the end of the combat round. Shoot, assault, make CC attacks, and then bounce out of combat before the enemy can make their attacks.

Wracks are 2W and any character automatically passes LOS rolls if they have a Wrack with them.

>>47711286
What rumors?

>>47711249
I'm already considering how to adapt this for lenses. I'm currently thinking that you could put a thicker coating of the gemstone into a lense, and then use a wet brush to take some of the paint from the middle of it out, kind of like in a wet-blend.

I also find it really odd that you're not supposed to thin these, but I'm still morbidly curious as to what effects you can get when it's thinned, just like how you can and probably should thin the Blood technicals.

>>47710644
How so?

>>47711326
>Raiders are *free* for anything that can take dedicated transports.

Calling bullshit on it all right there.

Also Wyches don't need new models, they have perfectly good models right now.

Basically this all screams of wishlisting and bullshit.

Those de rumours are old as shit and probs wishlisting

>>47711366
30k is much tamer in a lot of regards to some of the bullshit we see in modern games. Plus most armies have to take Bolter Marine units as a tax before everything else meaning there is less bullshit in a basic army.

I'm not saying they'd be super, but they'd do okay.

>>47711369
My thoughts as well.

I want my Dark Eldar to get buffs, but this just sounds... like bullshit homebrews, basically.

The starting line is this:

>Dark Eldar rumors that really look too good to be true, but Reecius would not be making these up (good guy). So they definitely have heard something. These would be incredible, and a complete re-write of tactics and behind the current debacle of Dark Eldar. Yes, I would dust off my favorite army again.

But I am not really familiar with this Reecius fellow.

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>>47711326
there are no DE rumors

>>47711349

You don't thin Blood for the Blood God unless you're painting thin blood on something for a reason. Smearing unthinned BftBG for thick gore and flicking it for splatter is it's main use. Duncan's technique of painting a bit on a blade edge then dragging with a brush is good enough, no need to thin and do multiple layers.

The gemstone paints look good on 30K marines. E.g. Raven Guard black with silver eyes then paint red gemstone and it'll look like the artwork in the rulebooks.

>>47711422
He runs another blog. I never remember what it's called though.

>>47711216

You get multiple sergeant heads.

>>47710569
>Time to literally never beat anyone playing in this campaign

Just like the lore!

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>>47711216

>mfw looking at my assembled tacs I gave some of the regular dudes the sarge heads

>>47711522
Nah, Sisters have won a couple of times (namely they fucked up the Word Bearers for invading a Shrine World) but generally they suffer the Worf Effect.

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>>47711422
Reecius started Frontline, and is one of the guys behind the ITC tournaments. Dude has done a lot for this hobby, especially CA, NV, and AZ and the western US in general.

>>47711615
And yet I can never remember his blog. I guess "Frontline" just doesn't stick in the head like some other blogs do.

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So, plastic Daemon Primarchs confirmed by Sad Panda and Atia. A third but unproven source reported seeing phone pics of a plastic Magnus, possibly with wings. Mortarion, Angron, and one other were also confirmed to be coming.
Atia quoted her source as saying the models would be (sic) 'relevant to the 40k storyline'.

I would venture a guess and say there is an End Times style campaign coming for WH40k. I dont see them trashing the ruleset and doing a fullr eboot of the setting, but it looks like there is something big coming.

>>47711566
>Word Bearers

Losers beating another loser doesn't make them a winner. Worf effect only applies if people are impressive Worfs to begin with, like the Swarmlord or Avatar. SoB aren't even suffering from Worf effect, they're just the Imperial equivalent of orks.

>>47711712
>Imperial Version of Orks
An army that looks better than it plays and people enjoy playing against if only for the novelty?

Sounds about right.

>>47711566
Does it count as the Worf Effect if they were never fluffed as the biggest badasses around and started getting wrecked right from the very beginning? They exist exclusively to prevent Space Marines get Worf Effected.

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>>47711712
Well don't you sound like a fun guy.

>>47711699

There was a line in Curse of the Wulfen short story series where Changeling says something like "he returns".

This was theorized to be Magnus coming to get his revenge on the Space Wolves or a bit more unlikely Leman Russ returning.

>>47711730

Autarch Kael-Sarr once held the gates of a dying Craftworld for three days and two nights against the thronging hordes of the mon-keigh of the Order of the Bloody Rose. The pinkskins were finally driven back when Kael-Sarr crushed the skull of their Living Saint battle leader.

This might be a long shot, but do any of you live in Boston and know a decent store? The ones I've been to have really limited model selections.

>>47711795

My primary directive is to suppress and eliminate the existence of all fun.

>>47711825
Huh. Another Living Saint. So we have a third one beyond Saint Celestine and Saint Helen?

>>47711699

I hope they make plastic daemon Angron and he looks like the artwork where he has cool dreads. If so I might actually make a 30k WE army and use their pimpin new red and white scheme.

>>47711844

There are tons of living saints.

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>>47711860
Make your own.

Newer player here. Have all my hobby supplies and books. Also dice, templates and tape measure.

Going to be starting Space Marines and I think I want to play either Imperial Fists or Ultra Marines.

Either way should I be working towards a Gladius Strike Force?

I have no problem dropping about $500 USD on models + paints and will be going to the shop tomorrow where there is normally a 10-15% off everything GW deal but my friend said if I bought some bulk (even some of the second hand) they would give me a much better deal.

I have already played five games using my friends Dark Angels so I like the feel of a space marine. Also tried Astra Militarum, Necrons and Orks so I know Space Marines is the route I want to go.

I've only played 10 games total.

So should Betrayal at Calth, 3 rhinos, a box of assaults and devastators marines be good or should I get more specialized units.

Can I use the Contemptor Dreadnaught as a regular one or are they disproportional?

>>47711895
Not really. Most Saints are declared after death, not before. According to Lexicanum there are only 4 who've earned that distinction:

>Saint Anais
>Saint Celestine
>Saint Sabbat
>Joaqhuine Desdemondra[3]

>>47711903

I want to rub my face on that base.

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>>47711909
>Astra Militarum

>>47711932
Wasn't Euphrati Keeler the first Saint?

>>47711932

Are you retarded? Those four are the ones that are known, not every single one. There's nothing on the page that even mentions that it's a comprehensive list. That's like you saying humans don't exist unless they're listed by name on wikipedia.

>>47711909
>should I be working towards a Gladius Strike Force
No. Really, you shouldn't be working towards anything specific when starting out. The best way to learn the game is to play it with what you've got, and add to your army as you find things that your forces struggle wit.h ("Hmm, I didn't really have anything which could deal with that land raider in the last game, what could I add that would deal with this problem?")

>>47711903
>>47711941
>BERRIES FOR THE BERRY GOD
>JAM FOR THE STICKY THRONE

>>47711964
She wasn't declared a "Living Saint" by the combined decree of the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition.

>>47711968
Lexicanum is probably one of the best references for obscure 40k stuff like this. So yes, those are the only four named right now. If there are others they haven't been named. It's also REALLY RARE by the very fluff behind the Living Saints since both the Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy need to sit down and agree that the person is infact a Saint.

And no it's not the same thing as your strawman.

>>47711941
I wanted to lick it.

It looks tasty.

>>47712004
Well neither of those existed at the time, but wouldn't she technically BE a Living Saint since the Sisters of Silence didn't kill her?

>>47711954
I would like to nominate this image for the bingo

>>47712004
>So yes, those are the only four named right now
They're the only ones mentioned by name in the fluff. They're not the only ones that exist in the fluff. The galaxy is a big place, anon.

>>47712004
>strawman

"According to Lexicanum there are only 4 people who have earned [the] distinction [of becoming a living saint]."

That's not a strawman, it's what you fucking said.

>>47712023
She was made a Saint after her death AFIAK. That may change, I mean there are still more books.

>>47712040
Either way you slice it, there aren't going to be "tons" considering you need to get two of the most egotistical and full of themselves organizations to sit down and agree to something.

>>47712053
>dumbass nigger thinks there's only 2 living saints: helen and celestine
>same dumbass nigger or some other equally dumb nigger thinks there's only 4 living saints because lexicanum only lists 4

Just stop talking. DoW's living saint should already tell you that there's a bunch of them floating around.

>>47712053
As far as we know, the Sisters of Silence never killed her.

Hopefully she gets revisited.

>>47712079
>A fifth example
>a bunch
Not really. Just means we have a few.

I mean according to GW there are less Sisters than Space Marines.

Personally I argue that there should be about 10 billion Sisters watching over the 16 quadrillion citizens and their holy sites, but that's just my take on it.

>>47711326
if all this becomes true will Deldar become top tier and the price of their minis skyrocket?

Because I been finding a decent amount of dark eldar deals but I ignore them since everyone says they're shit, should I buy before they become OP?

>>47711909
Honestly I'd just start off with either:
Betrayal at Calth
-or-
Start Collecting: Space Marines

If you go Calth, running everything as is, base is over a 1000pts with three Special Weapons (no Grav-guns) and three Heavy Bolters / Missile Launchers.

Factoring in upgrades you can get a pretty 1250pt force. I'd build and paint that first because that should be plenty.

>>47712153
They're wishlisting/10

>>47712134
>a bunch

Uh, excuse me? I believe the term used was "TONS"!

>>47711326
>Raiders are *free* for anything that can take dedicated transports.

That is Overpower as fuck Raiders have 10 Side 10 Front 10 Rear, At less you want make the Raider amour more shit you can't have free Raiders

>Wyches sound *good* and fluffy – and they’re getting new models

Wyches look good the way they are there no need to give them new models

>Hellions can hit-and-run on their initiative step rather than at the end of the combat round

and why the hell are Hellions going to have hit and run on their initiative now that sound little bit Overpower anon

This sound like BS anon

>>47712260
>Dies to boltguns
>Overpowered
What?

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>>47712260
>free raiders is overpowered

>>47711326
Didn't this come up a couple of months back? It seems very familiar (new wych models, blind on dark weapons, etc.). I think it was widely denounced as a load of bollocks back then.

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>>47711798

>Magnus coming back to job to the Space Wolves again

>>47712366
maybe he just has a thing for getting beaten up by furries

>>47709460
So is this a sign of a new big world wide campaign for 40k? Like something that actually might advance the story?
It'd be hilarious if it ends up being a continuation of the 13th black crusade, and abbadon and chaos only get their asses handed to them even worse because of the pitiful state of the CSM codex.

>>47709947
>>daemon primarch Lorgar:
>Never
Knowing GW they'll probably retcon undivided primarchs, who knows perhaps even let them be mortals, a mortal Lorgar would be the greatest insult I can't wait for it :^)

>>47711798
Th Dark Eldar codex has a passage at the end of the lore section that foreshadows a big Daemonic event is coming.

>>47712530
>implying they'd let that happen
After what's happened with fantasy, I can't see it. If they bother doing it again, the 13th crusade will be an uninteractive "this is why chaos is really super awesome" set of books.

>>47712530
no, just another campaign book

>>47712582
>After what's happened with fantasy, I can't see it
What's happened with fantasy is exactly why GW would make it so that chaos loses this, if it is the second part of the black crusade. They can't afford another disater like the end times and AoS. Rountree isn't kirby, he's not dumb enough to do an age of the emperor type thing.
If they have chaos lose, they can advance certain parts of the settings without having to turn the setting into one big story that ends with chaos destroying everything. It would be a win win for both GW and the playerbase. Well, except for people like carnac who are convinced chaos will win no matter what.

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>>47711860
This Red and White scheme?

>>47710564
I always had a feeling his fanbase was about 100% literal fa/tg/uys...

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>>47712537
Daemon Prince Lorgar better have his BEARD OF EVIL™!

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>>47712333
it's overpower because its open topped Fast so you guys can shoot out of it and it has night vision with Disintegrator cannon so you can move 24" shoot out the top if you Kabalite Warriors with Splinter gun that has [ S-1 AP-5 it sound okay but it has Rapid fire Poisoned 4+ so ] I don't know if this is just me but that sound little overpower anon

>>47712857
>so you guys can shoot out of it
If it crawls around the table at 6" per turn. Any faster and the dudes inside snapshoot.

>>47712857
>I think anything that might be better than my army is op: the post

>>47711909
>Can I use the Contemptor Dreadnaught as a regular one
You can use a contemptor in normal games, just use it's rules from the angels of death book, which you should get.
I recommend another box of assault marines. A 10 man units is much better than a 5 man.
You know how to play, so from there just build your army up the way you want but make sure to include the right tools for the battle.

>>47712707
I dunno, I almost prefer they don't advance the story than turn Abaddon/Chaos into even more of a jobber than they already are. Chaos already has few enough fluff victories and Abaddon's already kind of a laughing stock because of how shittily they handle him.

>>47712366
>>47712413

To be fair Magnus DID destroy the possibility for SW to have successors and replenish their numbers faster, I mean the fuckers dont follow the codex and after 10k years they are still only 2000 marines as opposed to tens of thousands. It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory for both.

>>47712928

>I play DE so half my army should be free

you sound as disgustingly entitled as the Ork players who want their stompas to be as OP as wraithknights or CSM players who want 3.5 back

>>47712260
>This is what taufags actually believe.

What's the best way to use a single knight paladin?

>>47712928
>I think anything that might be better than my army is op: the post

anon the fuck are you talk about I'm just saying how free raider could be Op and the raider is not a walker and or a crawler it's a Skimmers it ignore intervening terrain models when moving that means its faster then a fast vehicle with out skimmer rule and doesn't have make terrain test roll

>>47713018
I think the desire for Stompas to not be the worst Superheavy is valid and CSM really should get some of that old variety in force representation back, though we don't need broken Iron Warriors again.

>>47710160
Fulgrim killed Rowboat.

>>47712857
yeah, still not seeing it. i played against DE before and even with my mediocre shooting i can easily pop one a turn

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>>47713018
I would settle for Killa Kans, fliers, and buggies to be viable.

>>47713018
>you sound as disgustingly entitled as the Ork players who want their stompas to be as OP as wraithknights
>the difference being that if Orks got Stompa-Knights they'd have one strong reliable unit in their codex but if the Eldar lost Wraithknights then they'd still have their entire codex left

Salamander Plz, that's some false equivalence you got there

>>47713191
>anatomically correct tau
>proofs

I like your style anon

>>47710146
Are the board games any good? Only thing I've heard is that Deathwatch is a fairly luck reliant romp, albeit a fun one.

>>47712984
Yeah, he did shit, Bjorn personally said that if Magnus hadn't succeeded in destroying the project he would had done it himself, at the end he didn't accomplished shit, lost more than the wolves at end and make a fool of himself for being delayed by a hundred guys against a thousand legionaries, some of the best sorcerers chaos has, his robots and traitor guards and lost to an angry old man and motherfucking Björn.

>>47713018

>I play (1st Tier Army) and I think everyone else should be below me

you sound as disgustingly entitled as the Tau players who want their riptide's points cost to decrease or SM players who think tac squads are a shit unit

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>>47713278
damn

>>47713278
Bjorn is full of shit. He's just a fussy old contrarian. Like that shit about him not liking all the gold stuff on his armour. If he didn't like it they'd change it.

>>47713165
It's not that you can easily pop one in a turn raider amour is petty shit but it's that you can have
unlimited number of raiders if you have a equity number of troop to put into them, knowing that raiders have skimmers and fast rules I see lot of DE player doing that

>>47713336
It's not the Taus fault they're overpowered. It's everyone elses fault for being underpowered.

>>47713398
that's called power creep and its bad, Tau and other top tier armies need to be curbed before we have everyone having S10 AP2 troops who have a 2+/2++/2+++

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>>47713364
>Bjorn is full of shit.
Opinion discarded

>>47713423

We've already reached that level due to multi WKs, Stormsurges, Riptide Wing, and Knights. They're not troops, but they're still the entire bulk of the army.

>>47713423
>everyone having S10 AP2 troops who have a 2+/2++/2+++
So it's balanced?

>>47713511
>everything being stupidly powerful for no reason is "balance"

>>47713524
Technically if they were all equal it WOULD be balanced.

>>47713532
It would be a terribly boring game, that's for sure.

>>47713532
First turn OP, plz nerf.

>>47713804
>as if that isn't already the case

>>47713828
It was a reference to arguements made about white being OP in chess because it gets the first move.

Basically even in a perfectly balanced game there will always be complaints about someone having an unfair advantage.

My brother-in-law is insisting that he should be able to attach each Librarian from a Conclave to a different squad.

I had no idea my sister married a cheater.

Anyone know of a company that does some zombie/rotten hound/wolf models?

I've considered AoS Dire-Wolves but they are a bit on the small side for spawns.

>>47713209
How are buggies not viable?

>>47713900
They're independent characters, though. They can do that.

>>47713900
"I don't know how to tell you this, sis..."
>What, anon?
"I caught your husband cheating"
>What?!
"He's a cheater. I'm so sorry..."
>No anon! No!

>>47713971
I don't know any zombie hounds the size of spawn anon. Those would be BIG dogs and most companies make hounds in scale. You'd have to look for a mount model, but then you're looking at like 12-15 $$ per model

>>47714036
No way they can do that, that's horseshit if they can.

>>47714039
Then I'd have to explain it was at 40k and she'd rant about how much she hates me for making her husband into a nerd and storm off to eat ice cream and not gain any weight because skeltal.

>>47714063
Hmm, maybe, I guess i could do two on a base.

I quite like the way they are characterised as excitable giant puppies slobberig and piddling pools of acid and digestive juices as they look for playmates.

>>47714080
Yeah, they can do that, but remember that if they use their special rule the librarian can only manifest powers up to their mastery level.

>>47714080
>that's horseshit if they can

Yeah, space marines are OP, we know. Doesn't stop the rules from working like that.

>>47714080
Unless the formation says that they form a single unit that they can't leave they can.

>>47714080

Are you retarded? That's like saying the HQ from your CAD or Battle Company must accompany the squads in the formation.

>>47710802
DELETE THIS.

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>>47714080
So your sister will be very upset when she finds out your step-brother cheated in the shameful secret thing you've been doing together?

>>47714100
Big bases to give them height. I'd call you out for using a model like 40% the size of a spawn.

>>47713191
are these objective cards or what?

>>47714156
No.

>>47714154
>>47714150
>>47714138
>>47714130
That's beyond retarded, fuck SM.

>>47714185
No it's not secret, we play in their garage, she just thinks it's stupid.

As she sits there with her girlfriends watching some dumb show like Pretty Little Liars every week.

Having a twin sister is not like the Chinese cartoons at all, anon.

MWG Mathew mentions that a SECOND immobilized result with a grav weapon doesn't incur an additional HP lost. He says it's in the errata, however I can't find the errata he's mentioning?

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>>47714185
SLAANESH, FUCK OOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFF

>>47714271
It's in the FAQ, you can't get double immobilised so can't get the extra damage twice either.

>>47714285
What? If you get an immobilize result when you're already immobilized, you take another hull point instead.

Why do the C'tan suddenly have stupid names?

>>47714252
Where were you when it turned out space marines were the only codex that had independent characters?

>>47714285
What?
If you get an immobilized result after you are already immobilized it removes 2 hull points instead of 1
I don't remember what page that's on but I belive it's in the vehicle damage chart

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>>47714156

>>47714312
>Warhammer 40,000 was created by Rick Priestley in 1987 as the futuristic companion to Warhammer Fantasy Battle
>1987

>>47714080
The only limitation on the formation is that they have to be within 12" to get the special 2+ harness bonus.

>>47714316
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying it's ridiculous that the Conclave can split up like that.

>>47714280
>FUCK
No you fool that's what it wants you to say!

>>47714317

The FAQ is basically saying you can't immobilize it again for the bonus damage if it's already immobilized.

>>47714337

You'd think the 12" distance would already tip him off that they can separate since a squad can't go further than 2" away.

>>47710627
>Spam the everloving shit out of AP2
You mean AP1, right? Or should I be taking nothing but Repentia?

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>>47711532
What would be considered a sergeant head? The Captain in the BA Battleforce came with 3 choices so I (now regrettably) used the one with the helmet. The Sergeant had its own unique helmet but I wanted to use a head, considered using one of the Captain heads but something felt off about having a Sergeant with 3-4 centuries of experience under his belt. I wanted to at least have one guy not wearing a helmet but I keep confusing him with the Sergeant and confusing my Sergeant with my Captain. Before I paint these things I'm going to have to do some soul searching I guess, see what I really want to do.
(Also I was so fucking excited to put my models together that it didn't even occur to me to trim the moldlines BEFORE gluing them together)

>>47714285
[Citation needed]

>>47714408
Wow you're funny.

>>47711615
>gave us ITC
>done a lot
Not really. ITC is boring ass shit that prevents people from playing with the models that they bought in the store they play at with their hard earned money.

It's shit.

>>47714334
>Mag'ladroth
>Aza'Gorod
>Mephet'ran
>Iash'uddra
Where did these come from? Because I'm pretty sure the Nightbringer was The Nightbringer for the last few years, not Aza'gorod.

>>47714252
That's how all ICs in formations work though, not just SM.

>>47714438
I'm just confused by people always talking about taking AP2 or AP3 weapons as SoB when the only AP2 weapons in the codex are eviscerators and plasma pistols, and the only AP3 I believe is the neural whip and the DCA power swords.

>>47714445
>he still doesn't know the first rule of the ITC is that there are no rules

That said, I've started to hate the ITC recently because of the way they just randomly handle things like Imperial Space Marines and Angels of Death psychic powers and Invisibility.

Seems arbitrary as fuck. If you're going to nerf shit, just ban them. Stop making weird custom nerfs here and different custom nerfs there.

>>47712886
This rule is why I can't play dark Eldar until they give them a "WE'RE HYPER FUCKING FAST" rule that allows them to shoot normally when the vehicle moves up to 12 and snapshot anything more than that.

>>47711532
I felt the same way, then I remembered my guys are Alpha Legion, so it's actually more fluffy to mix them up, and also the real sergeant is in another squad, and is Alpharius.

>>47714358
How can it possibly be interpreted that way?
The BRB says if a vehicle suffers a second immobilized result, instead of immobilizing and removing 1 hull point, you remove 2 hull points for eachieving additional immobilized result

>>47714485

Because there's no 1+ armor save and melta wrecks vehicles regardless so people just say either AP3 to mention that they can pierce power armor or AP2 to mention that they can pierce 2+ save.

Notice how when people talk about marines they always say AP2 and AP3, never AP1, despite the fact that AP1 can also pierce marine saves.

>>47714445
>ITC is boring ass shit that prevents people from playing with the models that they bought in the store they play at with their hard earned money.
What are you talking about?

>>47714485
Did you also get confused about buying movies rated 18 when you became 19?

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>>47714285
You fool!

>>47714520

Probably WK spammers or something similar. Also the FW units that don't have printed rules yet like the Tau Riptide ones for years.

>>47711903
>Ravenwing Tail Flag is part of the axe

Can't unsee

>>47714497
Adjusting things to try to improve balance is superior to just leaving the game a hideously imbalanced mess. ITC's only sin is not going further.

What was their ruling on the Imperial Space Marine?

>>47711615
Reecius is a fucking shill that's trying to monetise the last remaining 'hobby' aspects of the game.

>>47714354
Remembering what that word means is Slaanesh worship!

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I guess I can aspire to have a model eventually join /tg/'s ranks of what not to do when starting the hobby.

>>47714190
>>47714063
I guess I could use Plague toads, though I hate resin.

I'd really like to use Helldorados stuff but they've dropped most f their line it would seem.

>>47714520
We had people try to implement ITC at our store (non gw) and so it would have killed off the guy who had a night army painted as Power Ranger knights. I loved playing against it because it was silly and I finally had a reason to run 3 elites of fire dragons in falcons (didn't have enough guardians to run Eldar-curion yet).

>>47714595
You certainly do yours with that excess of ignorance.

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>>47713971
Fenrisian wolves aren't a bad size.

>>47714520
Also I like playing the missions with the objective cards.

>>47714618
Ah,, so you're just an ignorant retard. Knight armies are completely legal under ITC rules.

>>47714636
Are they bigger than Dire wolves?

>>47714656

Most ITC haters are.

>>47714571
>What was their ruling on the Imperial Space Marine?

Straight up ban. Which is why it makes no sense to me why they aren't straight up banning far more problematic things like invisibility or the ignore LoS power.

Please tell me this Deldar shit isn't true. I was just about to start an army, now everybody will call me a WAAC faggot.

FUCK!

Why do all the things I like become overpowered!?

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>>47714667
Not especially, just more dynamic since they aren't designed to fit in ordered ranks.

I guess there's always the thunderwolves if you want big wolves.

>>47714656
We must have been given an old edition then, because it said only 1 lord of war period.

>>47714639
So...just play with them. Using the ITC faq doesn't mean you can only play 1850 point games using ITC tournament scenarios and list restrictions.
>>47714680
I just don't get why retards here get into a frothing madness over the ITC. 40k is broken all to hell, and somebody needs to fix it. GW's clearly can't.

>>47714747
Quick start liking Orks and SoBs! We need to test this for science!

>>47714749
Hm, well i mainly want big old rotten hounds that can fill 50mm bases.

>>47714747
>Please tell me this Deldar shit isn't true.
That the FAQ ruined everything they had going for them?

>>47714727
They nerfed invisibility a long time ago; I assume banning the free upgrade Marine happened because it's new, and simple to leave out. If they started going through each codex and banning everything that 'deserves' it - theyd have a mess. Somewhere in their page it says they try to leave as small a footprint as possible.

>>47714747
Those rumors are absurd, but anything's possible. If you like the faction, buy them. Worst case scenario is you have to houserule to tone things down.

Are Kannon Mek Gunz a good investiment?

>>47714219
Its mouse pads

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>>47714587
Right. Making as few adjustments to the ruleset as possible for a tournament-friendly ruleset is bad for the hobby. He started LVO and BAO from nothing. Just networking with like minded players, and then organizing and managing some of the biggest tournaments in the world. And also keeping track/publishing points standings for 150+ players playing ITC sanctioned events in NA.

Id say he's been pretty good for the hobby, and GW owes him a debt of gratitude for breathing life into the NA tournament scene. Not to mention he's one of the friendliest people you'll meet in the hobby/industry.

No one forces anyone to play ITC rules. It's for tournament play. Using them outside of that is the players choice. You just sound bitter and spiteful hating on the guy; theres literally no negative impact at all on you.

>>47714497
It's a slippery slope anon.

>>47714971
I hope so. Nerf Tau, Eldar, Space Marines, Necrons, and Daemonology and the game would be a lot better.

>>47714954

They should add comp rules to ITC to lower score for playing easy and unfun lists.

"But comp is dumb and subjective."

No it's not, we all know the very obvious shitlists like scatbikes and grav company. You should be penalized by a small margin if your list is literally just khan bike 6x3 bikes 2 grav 1 combi grav.

This way people bringing more unique lists and doing just as well are rewarded for their harder efforts.

Before people go "tournaments should be about playing to win", no, they're about fun, and some lists just aren't fun, so they should be penalized. "Some people find these lists/playing super tryhards and barely winning fun" isn't an argument either, that's like saying rape and murder is okay because SOMEBODY's enjoying it.

While I have a feeling these lists aren't actively working against event popularity, everyone not on the top tables sure as hell don't enjoy auto-losing round 1 then only having fun in the bottom tables with other fluffy unoptimized lists.

Tournaments have not worked hard enough to reign in GW's ridiculousness. They've nerfed power levels by maybe 15% when GW has increased power creep and power levels over 200% from past editions, no exaggeration.

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>>47714820
>that can fill 50mm bases
Pretty sure this is a 50x25mm base, but it's still a fairly good judge of their size.

I know there are a decent amount of D&D dire wolf miniatures floating around, but I'm not sure any of them will be big enough for your purposes.

>>47714747
Dude he said that shit like 6 months ago. If I had to guess Id say its info from the earliest stages of development. AFAIK thats the only rumor he's ever shared, and he claimed it was from a trusted source. I believe it, because he's not the type of guy to shoot off at the mouth - but I think his trusted source was sharing info that may not necessarily make it to print.

>>47714971

So is custom nerfing. How exactly do they come to the conclusion that the re-roll on Invisibility should be a certain number and *just so*? What if they nerf some powers too hard and some not enough? It's simpler to just remove them all.

But then you might turn into Smogon who went from banning only a handful of legendary Pokemon to now having dozens of banned Pokemon, many of whom aren't even legendaries. But I will say that Smogon metagames are much healthier than 40k's.

>>47715008
>Before people go "tournaments should be about playing to win
even if that is true, you can still argue for comp lists.
The rules are open knowledge before the tournament, so you can play to win within the confines of those rules the same way you do with all other rules.

That argument has basically no worth against having comp rules, even leaving out a premise about tournaments being for fun.

>>47715008
The problem that I see with comp is that it doesn't really do anything to reign in the top codexes and that it doesn't make games against power builds any more fun. I'd rather see minor rebalancing of the rules on some of the more over the top stuff as well as point cost increases for certain stuff.

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>>47715008
Right I hear you. There are things you, me, everyone would like to see implemented. But we have to be realistic and understand that it's his vision, not ours. If you register with Frontline, you recieve the annual ballot which allows you to vote on any proposed changes. Thats pretty cool, and tbqh famalam, more than any other TO's do.

>>47715027
>How exactly do they come to the conclusion that the re-roll on Invisibility should be a certain number and *just so*?
>re-roll on Invisibility
what? Last I checked there wasn't anythinga bout that.
>What if they nerf some powers too hard and some not enough?
this is always a thing when adjusting balance.
Making adjustments, seeing what works, then adjusting again will lead to better results than leaving everything where it is forever.
> It's simpler to just remove them all.
remove all psykic powers?
I'm pretty sure that's not simple at all, and would throw off a lot of the game.
remove just the problem ones?
Now you've got disciplines with under the full number of powers.

>>47715027
>So is custom nerfing. How exactly do they come to the conclusion that the re-roll on Invisibility should be a certain number

Idk about 'custom nerfing'. And they artive at changes by putting it to vote for Frontline members. Anyone can join. Though as ITC becomes more popular and known, Im sure the voting process will have to come to an end.

If half of you guys would take the time to familiarize yourself with the subject..

>>47715118

Sorry meant re-roll on screamerstar. Modifying a rule will always be more biased than simply removing it, because that's exactly what it is: inserting your own personal opinion (or in this case, the community's opinion) on how you think the rule should work.

Also the voting system is flawed due to smurf votes and also the fact that we're offered a false dilemma. There are options besides the two that FLG presents in the poll, but we must choose between two options that they present, even if there is a third or more options.

>>47715163

I've known about the ITC for longer than you have. My point was how do they arrive at the options they provide you to vote on. There are certain changes they make that aren't a simple yes or no question. There are as many as 8+ options (d6 + no nerf + ban) and they only ever provide 2 or 3.

>>47715027
>ITC sucks
>arbitrary nerfs
>idk how they arrive at rules decisions
>but I'll bitch about it anyway
>ban all psychic powers

Sorry man but you're just a retard.

>>47715183
>I've known about the ITC for longer than you have

You must be 18 to use this site.

>>47715192
>ban all psychic powers

No, you're the retard, with zero reading comprehension.

>>47715170
>Modifying a rule will always be more biased than simply removing it
Modification is less of a change than straight removal. Sure, it might go too far or not far enough, but at least the option is still on the table.

>>47715207
>uses "Idk" in a post
>calls other people underaged

Reflects well on the ITC and yourself.

>>47715212
Considering the original argument was "ITC doesn't nerf things enough" I'd say that's accurate.

>>47714525
No, but I get confused when people start talking about how I should go see that R-rated Disney movie because movie ratings are inclusive or some shit.

>>47715170
>Modifying a rule will always be more biased than simply removing it,
that's completely untrue.
Even in the invisibility case, making so it causes shots to be at BS1 does less to weaken the power of the telepathy disicpline than removing invisibility entirely would.

> inserting your own personal opinion (or in this case, the community's opinion) on how you think the rule should work.
completely removing a rule is also inserting your personal opinion, the only difference is saying the rules should exist, instead of saying the rule should be this.

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>>47715208

Is that right junior?

>>47715027
>What if they nerf some powers too hard and some not enough? It's simpler to just remove them all.

Not only are you the retard. But you've demonstrated over several replies that you are inly vaguely (at best) familiar with ITC. You used competitive Pokemon as a comparison; and you are just making an ass of yourself.
By all means dont stop though. Keep foaming at the mouth as you mash out your next idiotic response.

>>47715208
>>47715222

Samefag desperately trying to discredit anons after getting owned by them.

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For the sake of those keeping score at home,
are we counting the last 25 or so odd posts as "People getting rules wrong", "Someone takes the bait even though they know it's bait, butthurt ensues", or do we need a brand new space named "ITC bandaids for gunshot wounds"?

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Well lads, they've come for us at last.

https://voxday.blogspot.ca/2016/06/sjws-attack-warhammer.html

>>47715322
Nah it's just a couple anons trying to explain how ITC works to a butthurt underage Taufag.

Looks like he gave up and went to play Overwatch.

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>>47715335
B8.

>>47715335
go away

>>47715335
Propagation of shit is a bad as creating it.

>>47715357
>Implying leaving cancer to play Overwatch with friends is bad.

>>47715335
>Slaanesh is anti-trans, anti-himosexual, etc..

SJW's are so powerhungry they've begun attacking their own fictional Champions. Ridiculously stupid, and anyone wasting their time and energy on that is without a doubt pathetic.

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The Eldar were added to Eternal Crusade just a few moments ago. I got to test out a few matches.
I gotta say that I am pleasantly surprised. Though obviously work in progress, the Eldar still manage to feel vastly different from the Marines, as they should. The Shuriken catapults have insane rate of fire, (though a bit inaccurate), and the Eldar are very quick in their movements in general.
Right now, there are just Dire Avengers, Dark Reapers (who can wield either Reaper Launchers, or Shuriken Cannons), Fire Dragons, Striking Scorpions, and Warlocks in the game, so the balance is a bit lopsided against the Eldar. When the Swooping Hawks, and Banshees are added, you'd think that the Eldar would fare a bit better.

Didn't get to test out their vehicles yet.

>>47715522
> swooping hawks not in
Wait what? They were easily the most fun thing to play on founders.

>>47715595
Probably need a fair amount of spit n polish, I'd imagine they are some of the more work intensive to get looking good what with wings and all.

>>47715595
They aren't in in the Early access yet.
We'll see when they are added.

Does anyone use Sicarians as fetish fuel with them being amputees?

>>47715309

Post where it says they should just ban all psychic powers. It's just your retarded reading comprehension. Anyone with a brain knows it meant just ban THE ONE THING they are modifying instead of modifying it.

>>47715286
>has no reading comprehension
>thinks someone saying "just ban it" in response to a modification to mean "just ban everything"
>thinks Smogon isn't doing to Pokemon exactly what the ITC is doing to 40k

You're so mad you're making typos and posting ad hominem images.

>>47711003
>its battle cannon and chain sword are as much for mining and logging as they are for defense.

The Chainsword is originally used for logging and/or construction work, and the Thermal Lance/Cannon/Whatever it's called was used for mining. The Battle Cannon was used as a defense weapon against hostile megafauna that roamed many Knight worlds.

>>47715335
The comments gave me hope.

>>47715795
>thinks Smogon isn't doing to Pokemon exactly what the ITC is doing to 40k
Given that you admitted that the meta for Pokemon is much healthier, I'm not really sure why you're acting like that's a bad thing.

>>47709460
>when you'll finally be able to build the 30k TS legion you always wanted from day 1 of falling in love with warhammer

If only i had the money to buy such models now...

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>>47715335

I like how it's from an article posted on Bell of Lost Souls.

>>47716282
get a mcjob

>>47714998
>Nerf Tau, Eldar, Space Marines, Necrons, and Daemonology
This guy gets it.

All of these armies should be brought down, because they are in an odd spot of being frustrating to play against, even among themselves. Tau vs Tau and Marine vs Marine, or literally any of the above mentioned armies in any combination, are just SHIT to play with or against, baring specific lists that go out of their way (read: excludes huge parts of their codex) to not be conplete cancer to play against.

And for the armies not listed? Find an opponent whose army is not on this list. Don't even fucking bother. Not because you can't win, but because the game wont be fun.

how much should I expect to pay for a used Exorcist model?

So what are your all perferred d6s for playing 40k?

>>47717015
Generic board game dice.

I'm being offered a really good deal on a small daemon army, only problem is they're all on square bases since they were used for fantasy I guess.... how hard and expensive will it be to change that? I'm afraid of hurting the models and what not.

It has like a Kairos, 30 blootletters, 10 horrors, 10 daemonettes and a changeling.

Augur Arrays on Taurox Primes.

Would it be worth taking if using 2 in an allied CAD as suicide beacons from my drop pods?

>>47717096
>how hard and expensive will it be to change that?
If thin superglue was used the bases should just break off. But if it was thick superglue or similar plastic glue, you're probably fucked.

>>47717096

Just use the square bases. It'll look interesting.

Australian newfag here. I visited my local games workshop and got talking to the manager. He showed me an introduction to the game along with a free Dark Angel to paint in-store. I am planning on purchasing the Dark Vengeance set next paycheck. Apparently doing so will give me a $50 credit voucher for the store (which I will use on the basic paint set)

Is this a good starting point for someone like me who's only experience is the video games? I am very interested in the game but I don't want to be naive and be suckered into store manager marketing.

>>47715522

It looks laughably bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK8q2vdTlOY&ab_channel=BloodClaw

>>47717231
If you're interested in one of the armies it is without a doubt the most cost-efficient method of starting up.

>>47717096
You don't have to rebase them, but it shouldn't be that difficult so long as you're careful.

>>47717290
I like the Tau empire as I am an /m/fag but I don't know anything about them in terms of gameplay. I just like the robots.

>>47717231

It's only good if you want to make a Dark Angel, Chaos Space Marine, or some kind of combined force of the two (Fallen Dark Angels warband).

If you're willing to ignore the obvious Chaos and Dark Angel markings, the models are good to build any sort of human or marine army. Basic marines aren't good per se, but they are required for many builds and are always a player favorite, and the human Cultists can be used as renegades, Imperial Guard, etc. Bikes are good units and Terminators while not great are popular and most marine players have some in their collections just for the sake of having them.

If you really want to get a strong start on the game and want to play marines, a smarter move might be Betrayal at Calth, or going on eBay and picking up some Betrayal at Calth models or a bunch of Dark Vengeance bikes and building a bike army.

The $50 voucher makes the box appealing but only if you can actually use the whole box, rather than just half the contents. Dark Vengeance is an inferior box to the previous starter set, Assault on Black Reach.

>>47717322

Don't waste your money on DV then. Just buy cheap XV8 boxes and Riptides on eBay or an online store.