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How does one exit the suit anyways? The emporer can wait, I must relieve a bodily need.

>>47691530
Though many of the modular plates and the like can be removed by the battle-brother in question, it often requires a dedicated small team to make quick work of it, for both donning and doffing the armour.

>>47691713
good work steve-o

>>47691719
Well the OP wasn't doing it!

But yeah, woopsies

>>47691632
>>47691530
Which is how armor worked for knights, just exaggerated.

>>47691530
they also can piss and shit in their suits. it gets recycled into drinking water!

>>47691732

You didn't answer my question, you autist.

If the doors glued shut, does it block LOS or not?

I'm going to hazard a guess and say NO

>>47691530
>I must relieve a bodily need.
SM power armor recycles body waste

>>47691758
EAT YOUR POOP!
EAT IT!!!

>>47691472
what time is it in bongland?

>>47691750
so what you're saying is that space marines have a fanny door...

>>47691753
Just use the old rules for drop pods. GW is creating problems where there were none.

>>47691777
About thirty after two in the UK, mate.

>>47691777
2:30pm.

>>47691753
Wasn't there some rule that stated a unit within a Drop Pod was lost if none of the doors could be opened? Anyway, I'd assume it would be up to the players in question instead of any niche rule that GW has actually written themselves.

>>47691809
what i mean is, i don't want drop pods blocking LOS to become a "thing". If GW employees weigh in on it I don't want them pulling some asshat move and saying, "Hurr, Durr, yup, shur duz!"

So I have a game against Imperial Guard tomorrow at 2000pts.

He is bringing a Bane Blade but I didn't think of asking which variant. Also a Pask with buddy tank and a third Leman Russ, three Wyverns then a bunch of infantry blobs.

Never seen a baneblade on the tabletop before, how do they compare to other Superheavies?

Usually against codices I know are weaker I will bring some Deathwing to tone down my list but with all his armor I feel the Ravenwing would be more useful, however I am pretty sure wyverns have ignore cover.

>>47691788
as an Englishman, no marines has even had a fanny, or a door for one

If they would just make a damn effort and try to nip these questions in the bud, people would stop asking them. Leaving everything open to intepretation just creates more hassle for store employees and turnament managers who have to put up with that shit.

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I like how people are throwing a gasket about drop pods with doors glued shut and calling people WAAC faggots for doing it.

I glued my pod doors shut because I didn't want to paint the insides.

>>47691869
they at least have to have a hose or something.

>>47691877
there is nothing wrong with gluing your drop pod doors shut if thats what you want to do. It just shouldn't block LOS is all.

>>47691892
They have a cup i imagine
but i dont think you get what a fanny really is
its a ladys front bottomaka a vagoo

>>47691854
Wyverns do indeed, ignore cover.

Baneblades are capable of massive damage, though the exact output varies. For example, the Stormlord has 2 Vulcan Mega-Bolters that are both Heavy 15, and if he doesn't move, can fire twice in one shooting phase. It can also carry 40 passengers. It's range is 60" and is Str 6 AP 3.

And that's just for my favorite variant.

>>47691903
seeing as the rules are true LoS, it clearly does

>>47691906
oh. well here in burgerland we bastardize the term to mean ass. Think lindy beige had a thing about this once. "Arse! Not ass! It makes you sound like priss!"

>>47691917
The Stormlord has ONE VMB that is TWINLINKED.

but yes it can fire twice

>For the whole of this edition, if LOS is blocked (by anything) when looking from a firing model's POV, you can't shoot at a target you can't see
>FAQ says that if LOS is blocked (by a drop pod) when looking from a firing model's POV, you can't shoot at a target you can't see
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>47691921
Then whatever you put in there shouldn't be able to disembark if they can't get their doors open.

>>47691921
Then you're a fucking retard and you're seed should be wiped from this earth because you are obviously too stupid to live on this planet with the rest of us.

>>47691750
>It gets recycled
Can't Space marines safely eat and drink just about anything? The recycling process is removing precious nutrients!

>>47691936
Lots of people glue the doors of their transports shut. Do you claim your opponent's models can't disembark from their rhino/chimera/devilfish/whatever if the doors don't actually open?

>>47691933
Whoops, you're right! Sorry about that one, I was going by memory there.

Checking the rules, it doesn't get Twinlinked, but it can fire twice and it may fire at different targets.

>>47691934
but you only glued the god damn droppod doors shut to confer an advantage based on a technicality! You should either make an exception or forbid people from gluing their god damn doors shut, PERIOD END OF FUCKING STORY GO DIE IN FIRE

>>47691921
If you want to follow RAW?
>>47691936
The unit embarked on the Drop Pod is automatically removed from play.

>>47691968

Sad part is that there are plenty of people in this hobby who would glue the doors shut on their drop-pods if they knew it conferred an advantage.

>>47691968
>but you only glued the god damn droppod doors shut to confer an advantage based on a technicality!
Literally a strawman argument.

When would that Scions box be out?

This month?

Or later in the year?

I've got a burning wallet.

>>47691960
Look, you can't get it both ways. You can't get true los on a door that should by all rights be open, or else you shouldn't be allowed to bring drop pods with closed bay doors to the table.

Honestly, if someone tried to pull this crap during a game i probably would not want to play with them.

>>47691946
its the rules m8

>>47691936
bearing in mind RAW you can start measuring from the tip of the drop pod doors for disembarking, it can be a disadvantage to shut them

>>47691983
i mean dont you follow RAW? what do you do, make it up as you go along? sounds gay

>>47691995
Seriously, how can you not be punching yourself in the nuts right now for your own stupidity? How can you live with that blob of protozoan protoplasm between your ears without literally tearing your own eyes out and pissing on them for being such a massive retard?

>>47691997
Just get four of them and you'll be able to field one of their formations in their pitifully small codex. You'll have 3 extra unnecessary commissars, but eh, you could do some conversions on them.

>>47691998
>Oh, you've got two wraithknights? Okay, they're legal.
>Hey, a riptide wing and an optimised stealth cadre. Those are legal too, got no problems playing those
>WHAT THE FUCK YOUR DROP POD DOORS ARE CLOSED THAT'S TOTALLY ILLEGAL AND GAME BREAKING I'M LEAVING

>>47692003
No, i follow Rules As Intended, because Rules as Written is fucking garbage. If your going to insist on following the letter of the law you should choose your wording a damn sight more carefully than GW

>>47692026
I was planning on getting two boxes to ally into some SM with, and was going to give the extra commissar to my Tyranid friend for his Flyrant's base.

Just wanted to know when I should expect to see them available for purchase since my birthday is coming up.

>>47692028
You're a jackass. Of course I'm not going to play with some idiot who's spamming riptides and wraithknights.

Is it normal to build your whole army around one unit at low points?

Looking to buy my first box this weekend and I like the Eldars' vehicles. The Vyper , Fire Prism and Hemlock Wraithfighter all look pretty cool.

My friends told me just to avoid Windriders and Wraith Knights which I think is doable.

Do Guardians in Wave Serpeants work well? I probably wouldnt want more than 2 or 3 of them.

Already bought my Dark Vengeance Rulebook and will be picking up my codex tomorrow too.

>>47692021
Christ you seem a tad angry m80

>>47692032
Sure you can, but that only works for games where you play a small consistent group, who can all get together and agree on rules before hand.Not all of us have that luxury

>>47691960
They are completely different cases to me. The Drop Pod will obstruct much more with its doors closed. If you modeled it that way and dont expect it to block LOS that is fine but if you closed the doors and want it to block then you are a cunt .

If I know my rival plays space marines/grey knights, should I use TL Plasma on 2 Broadsides or is the SMS OK?

I'll play with someone who brings 2 riptides or flyrants or even one wraithknight to a 1500 point game assumming I'm running a competitive list, but I'm not going to fucking play someone who brings a riptide wing to a 1500 point game.

>>47692038
Oh, that's cool mate. I don't know when they'll be out, but they'll be available for pre-order this weekend. If you want to run the formation it comes with, I'd suggest just buying an extra commissar to give to your friend.

>>47692032
>No, i follow Rules As Intended, because Rules as Written is fucking garbage.

Hey everyone thought Salamanders should get their 4+ FNP against Baleflamers according to RAI but GW just confirmed that the RAI matches the RAW: they don't.

It's notoriously difficult to use RAI when you don't know what the developers are thinking. This runs double for GW when some codices (Orks) feel like they were written by a committee of a thousand monkeys.

>>47692021
>>47691968
>GO DIE IN FIRE
>Seriously, how can you not be punching yourself in the nuts right now for your own stupidity? How can you live with that blob of protozoan protoplasm between your ears without literally tearing your own eyes out and pissing on them for being such a massive retard?
If you're not going to make arguments and just throw around insults, kindly fuck off back to /v/.

Also, try to be less mad over hypothetical situations. Drop pods with closed doors have been being put on tables for years, and TLOS has been being played for years. I have NEVER heard anyone actually complain about a game being affected by this issue in all that time. You've seen a FAQ and got really, really mad over an imagined situation in your head.

>>47692049
don't take wraith guardians or warp spiders either.

>>47692083
Oh, they'll be up for pre-order this weekend?

I can wait then, maybe by then one of those shitty jobs I applied to will respond.

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>>47691906
>tfw Fanny is a girls first name here in sweden

>>47691998
So you're saying if someone brought forgeworld drop pods to the table (the ones with solid cores), you'd refuse to play against them?

Maybe I should dust mine off and make a big wall in front of someone's firebase and see if they flip out.

What's best for holding an objective? A lad of shooters or smackers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V35jvY0u7I
>tfw spending money on clothes instead of some minis you wanted and feeling old

>>47692093
Oh its also one in the UK too

>know a guy with a uncle Richard and an aunt Fanny

>>47692090
Aww man, warpsiders too? I thought they looked pretty cool.

Also I wanted to get Illic Nightspear because the model looks cool but I am not sure what she would play well with. I suppose I have to get a farseer as it seems like a decent HQ to keep simple and stick with some guardians.

Some of the Pheonix Lord Hqs look cool too.

>>47691936
Why not? A vehicles things don't need too function on the model for them to work in the game.

>>47692087
The confusion is because soul blaze is often used to represent ongoing damage while simultaneously being written in the fluff as something supernatural.

I could make a weapons upgrade to a flamer called "napalm" then say it has soulblaze without it being represented as having any supernatural property whatsoever and it would be perfectly logical to assume that that salamanders had a FNP save against it.

DESU, RAW wasn't very clear on what did and did not constitute a flamer to begin with, so RAI was the default go to option.

>>47692032
The handy thing about FAQs is that they tell us the RAI.

>>47692107
shooters, your smackers should be attacking otherwise they're useless

>>47692089
I got MAD over the fact that some asshole would try to weasel a cover save or even put their unit out of line of sight because of a closed droppod door.

Its a deliberate attempt to either abuse the system, troll their opponent and make me angry, so yes, i consider it a calculated insult to anyone with half a brain.

>>47692107
I prefer shooters so they can get work done when the enemy isn't coming near as well. But objective campers that you half expect to get assaulted are good candidates for Mr Hidden Power Weapon.

>>47692118
Do they fuck? Do they film it? Do they upload it and if so where can i see that?
>>47692157
ah ye soundz about right
wagh day, gud sir

>>47692061
I dunno, everyone i know has already been playing it as closed doors blocks LoS.
Seems pretty ok to me, its what the rules say after all and the game was never a realistic simulation

>>47692049
>Is it normal to build your whole army around one unit at low points?
Considering even at high points the meta is putting all your eggs in one invisible, bike-based basket, probably.

It's still a dicky move and pretty WAACy to do.
I wouldn't do it in a chill garage game or one for fun if I were you.

>>47692121
well, if you do take warpspider, only use their jump ability once per turn.

>>47692164
You don't actually play the game, do you?

>>47692049

I think you should hold off on the Hemlock till you play at a point level where fliers are more acceptable.

Wave Serpeants almost feel like a waste transporting basic troops but they will get the job done.

Vypers are fun but I hardly see them used, personally I would use them to quickly flank from some side armor but I can't remember all there wargear options.

A Farseer, two or four boxes of troops, two Wave Serpeants should be your big starting purchase along with the codex. Depending on unit size and load out I bet you could be playing at least 750 before adding in the Fire Prism and Vypers.

>>47692152
when they are clearly written answers to specific questions they do.

when they are ambiguous answers to even more ambiguous (and almost assuredly loaded) questions they only cause more confusion.

>>47692164
Fuck off /v/,no one wants you here.

>>47692150
>DESU, RAW wasn't very clear on what did and did not constitute a flamer to begin with
Yeah it was, the rulebooks and codexs had lists in the explicitly defining what was a flamer weapon.

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>>47692118
I bet they were the constant joke at the family BBQs

>>47692183
I haven't in a while, but I know there are people like this and the tournament scene is riddled with them.

>>47692194
except the chaos codex, which was written in 2012, 3 years prior to 7th edition.

>>47692190
The faq answer is pretty clearly written, go by the model.
There's zero ambiguity yhere

>>47692107
Sniper Shooters with a lot of Shots or Stout, Sturdy Smackers with Objective Secured.

Either one is fine, though the shooters will probably end up costing less than the Smackers in most armies.

>>47692200
Well, yeah, tournaments. They have fuckers that leave the wings off their fliers to make them easier to hide, and for some reason TOs allow it.

>>47692178
Do all armies have units they should avoids and tactics they shouldn't use?

My group of friends getting me into 40k are using Daemons, Imperial Fist Space Marines, Salamander Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus and Grey Knights.

>>47692226
Its because turnament organizers and GW staff are afraid to put their foot down. They don't want to offend anyone so they basically put it on the cunt who complains the least.

>>47692210
Yeah and the rulebooks list included unique ones from older codexs and the khorne deamonkin codex published after the rulebook doesn't list the baleflamer as a flamer.

>>47692196
They are slightly older, white and middle class. cant even acknowledge it with sly comments, its the worse

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>>47692118
>tfw my Dads name is Richard Edward
my grandparents must have had a cruel sense of humour

>>47692230
its more a matter of using them approriately.

bringing a single wraithknight to a 1500 point game isn't game breaking, niether is using scatterbikes assumming you don't take a dozen of them. Warp Spiders aren't that broken when you limit their use to once a turn like you are supposed to, but desu the only unit thats so broken that people might refuse to play you are wraithguard.

D spam and D spam templates will cause people to avoid you altogether.

>>47692121
They're telling you not to take those because people see those units as overpowered. Take what you like and think looks cool, just don't spam too much of one unit - a unit of Warp Spiders in an Aspect formation, yeah, they're cool. 30 Warp Spiders is taking the piss (on some people's opinions)

In the end, get what you think looks cool, but read up on the units you think look cool and see what they do and how good they generally are (1d4chan Eldar Tactics gives a rundown of every unit, I'm sure there are plenty of codex review blogs that do as well).

It will be easier once you get your codex, but try to think about what you want in your army - low points is around 500-1000 for most people (unless you play kill team), so make a 500 point list and buy towards that, it'll save you money in the long run if you buy with a purpose.

But yes, guardians in a Wave Serpent are a perfectly good choice, the Wave Serpent is one of the best troop transports in the game.

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>>47692258
>That one friend that keeps bringing Night Knightans to 1000 point games
I'm that guy

>>47692189
Thank you for this advice.

Maybe I will just get the codex and stop at a craft store for hobby supply and do more research on units.

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Rate my 1850 list comrades

Lord Commissar
Engiseer - x5 servo arm servitors
PCS - autocannon, x2 snipers, bolt pistol
Platoon squad
Platoon squad - missile launcher
Conscripts x50 - priest, commissar
PCS - autocannon, x2 snipers, bolt pistol
Platoon squad - autocannon
Platoon squad - missile launcher
Conscripts x50 - priest, commissar
HWT x15 - autocannon
Wyvern x3
Leman Russ Vanq - camo
Basilisk - camo
Aegis - quadgun

>>47692240
which is basically YOU inferring their intent, is it not? (and not incorrectly, i might add)

>>47692285
Have fun painting 100 conscripts.

Its not even a theme list, bro.

>>47692295
No, it's just applying raw. The baleflamer could have been on the list but isn't, so raw it mustn't be a flamer.

I'm doing Crusader shooty squads, what combo of Special and Heavy is the best for roosting objectives and giving dank support to the 8/8 LRC Crusaders?

>>47692285
Not sure you've got enough armour to really make the most of that enginseer and all his servitors.

>>47692255
>TopBritBants

>>47692336
but you applied it retroactively, which required an active interpretation on your part.

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This thread has been claimed by the boxserker for the box god. Only shitposts will remain, but then again very few proper posts ever did.

>>47692380
No thats how I've always applied it since 7e was published. This faq just confirms I've been doing it right.

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>>47692385
Boxs a shit. Sprues 4 life!

>>47692285
Enginseer's a bit iffy with that amount of armour. Priest and Commissar aren't an awful choice for the conscripts but it's like polishing a turd, in all honesty.Also the Basilisk is currently pretty awful rules wise, I love the model but it's not worth the points.

>>47691809
My local area have straight up disallowed glued tight drop pod doors for years now.

It is called modelling for advantage, and it makes you a gigantic faggot if you do it. If it was "an honest mistake" anybody can fix that shit with a proper knife in 5 minutes, and I'll even rent you the knife, or hell. i'll do it for you if you are just bad at it. If you still refuse, I will probably forget the ban and tell you to piss off, because you'll likely come up with more bullshit during the game.

>>47692394
but you applied the 7th edition ruling to a 6th edition codex, which required an active interpretation on your part.

>>47692410
so whats the problem with just leaving the model as is and agreeing that it doesn't block LOS? Why do you have to interpret every ruling so god damn literally?

If the rulebook said "go jump in a lake" would you do it?

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Is this ok vs Grey Knights? Flyer is in there to give air superiority.

I mean, honestly, I would hate to have 40k players wind up in the judiciary, they would be absolutely paralyzed by all the legal paradoxes present in our legal system.

>>47692411
no. the only thing i referenced was the 7e rulebook. the list in the 7e rulebook includes flamer weapons from 6e codexs like the pyrovores flamespurt or the necrons heatray.

>>47692453
>7 page
nigga, i aint reading all that

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics#Looking_for_advice

>>47692356
I mean i'm not gonna use the missile launcher for obvious reasons, but is the Multimelta favourable to the Plasma? And should i just run Multi-Plas instead of considering the bolter? Are bolters usefull against heavier lads?

http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1953.0
Want to roll up a tech priest anyone?

>>47692410
>My local area have straight up disallowed glued tight drop pod doors for years now
kinda a dickmove. what about people drop pods that don't have openable doors? have you just banned the old FW ones that just have a solid core?

>>47692432
The rulebook won't tell you to go jump in a lake. This isn't AOS for crying out loud.

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>>47692453
>>47692467


OK.

>>47692402
That overlord has the wierdest boner.

>>47692461
All of which are included in the index and not the rule description. Which you referred to in order to render a judgement. Which is an infernal. Which implies you made interpretation of the authors intention.

Thus RAI

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>>47692493
Meet Cl'ark.

>>47692453
you have to click all the radio buttons to left when you copy your list. Change the output to minimal and get rid of the inline display.

>>47692510
lol, fukken saved

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>>47692504
Stole this from a filename thread.

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>>47692510
He probably gets a tonne of sand in there. That shit's not good, even for space tomb kings

>>47692492
Still too much information. You don't need to list all the default gear, people who are giving you advice probably already know the default gear. Read the link that the other guy posted.

And you probably want some fusion or other AP2 weapons in there. Grey Knights are almost guaranteed to have some terminators and you could even be facing down an all terminator army, which your plasma rifles will do exactly squat against.

>>47692504
no its in the weapons rules section.
it's RAW, i read the rule and applied it as written.
trying too apply RAI is how some people thought the baleflamer was a flamer.

>>47692528
You can't read RAW without hazarding a guess as to the RAI. If you had no idea what the rules meant or couldn't understand the authors intention you wouldn't be able to read the RAW

>>47692549
Your only trying to lend an air of legitimacy to your argument by assuming that the most literal interpretation of the rules is correct. that doesn't make it RAW.

>>47692526
I haven't posted that in ages. Want to see the Yellow Crons?
>>47692539
I'm sure he has a cleaning kit.

>>47692087
Idk, I was always in the camp that RAI was no FNP for the Baleflamer because it's supernatural / magic daemonfire.

And thought that one of the RAW camps was you got a FNP because it's a BaleFLAMER.

There's a simple solution.

No more TLoS.

>>47692492
>>47692545
Ah actually I missed the bit where you said ion accelerator. It's probably alright then depending on his list.

>>47692406
I guess I'll swap him, is the manticore better?

>>47692581
exactly.

RAW isn't some magic buzzword you can throw around to give your argument validity.

>>47692582
What IS TLoS anyways?

>>47692582
But muh toe in cover!

>>47692592
I've never personally used the Manticore, but I've heard it's mostly average. If you haven't got the models yet and you're -really- looking to win, more Wyverns aren't always bad but I'm not sure if you're using formations or just unbound since you've already got 3+ Heavy Support.

>>47692582
No, the most simple solution is to stop assuming the most literal interpretation of the rules is correct.

>>47692608
>>47692612
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/08/editorial-how-true-line-of-sight-is-killing-our-games.html

>>47692635
That doesn't help anything when GW clarifies the situation by making it even more retarded.

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TLOS would be more tolerable if the most common terrain (that I see anyway, both on tables and online photos) wasn't full of holes.

>>47692638
>BoLS
eww, no thanks, i dont like click bait

>>47692638
They are making their rulings with certain assumptions already in mind. For instance, that you won't ask a loaded question with predetermined interpretation of the answer based on false assumptions.

>>47692592
Bro, if you take a Manticore, look up the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Platoon, all you would need is a Company Command and a Chimera, then some boxes for twin-linked dickery. The Manticore goes from average to very good in that formation, as does the Basilisk.

>>47692574
but that's what RAW is, the most literal interpretation.

that sure isn't always correct which is where RAI can be different too RAW.

>>47692697
If somebody says they don't think you should go to prison for performing abortions, you don't immediately jump to "This guy says abortions are the best thing ever!"

>>47692720
they are though

>>47692697
Please explain how the retarded drop pod ruling was caused by loaded questions, and not TLoS being shit.

>>47692671
hills and intact buildings are just as common and theyre pretty solid.

>>47692717
But if the most literal interpretation isn't always correct then you shouldn't always assume that it is.

If RAW is sometimes wrong then you shouldn't assume that you should always use RAW.

Are there really that many arguments to be had about LoS? People must be really playing to win instead of fun if that's a super common thing, never had a major argument over it at all.

>>47692746
TLoS isn't shit just because it causes arguments, it's shit for a great many reasons.

>>47692734
I don't have the FAQ on hand, but it didn't mention anything about Drop pods being able to be glued shut or having them block line of sight or being able to deploy from the ramps instead of the base of the model.

All it said was something akin to "Use the model as reference" or "Refer to the LOS rules" or "the ramps are part of the model"

>>47692432
If you do that, no one would have a problem with it. Then you have already proven you aren't a faggot, assuming you didn't spend 5 minutes arguing against it.

I would still be happy to help fixing it. I work with similar shit, so cutting them open while keeping the cut clean, is piss easy regardless of how you manaed to seal it tight - it is still just plastic.

>>47692483
They are fielding the model as-is. Like we don't throw a bitch fit because someone dares fielding a Stormsurge against a Knight, we wont make an issue out of people fielding a model like it was, straight from GW/FW.

Seriously though, knock off the obvious strawman. There are a ton of reasonable solutions, but if you show up an DEMAND to use a drop pod YOU decided to model for advantage on, then you have already lost any chance of getting a game.

And god help you if you keep it hidden until we are already playing. Thankfully the local rule is "it doesn't block LoS at all" or "if you insist that it does block LoS, then no models can disembark from it." based purely on the usual (and retarded) arguements "But it clearly does block line of sight!". Nicely observed Watson, you'll also note that the models clearly ave no way to disembark now.

Don't pull bullshit on others and then expect them to take it without retaliation.

>>47692759
There is nothing wrong with TLOS assuming you aren't abusing it. (Like trying to claim that a pintle gun doesn't have LOS to a model adjacent to a vehicle or something)

>>47692737
always using raw is the base assumption in a game because you can't actually know RAI and RAW is easily defined.
You can make an interpretation of it that can be widely agreed upon. but outside things like FAQs we can't really know RAI so its a little more subjective.

has anyone ever done a 40k harlem shake video?

>>47692790
but my whole point is that at turnaments you don't have the option of choosing who you play against. Thats why people need to use common sense when they make a ruling and GW employees have to stop insisting upon this RAW crap

>>47692356
>>47692473
Did a Black Templar player break you guys' heart or why am i never getting replies here

>>47692807
Why would they, that shit died a week after it was started last year.

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>>47692612
I'll take muh toe in cover over the "I see one toe of your squad through seven pieces of terrain" bullshit.

The arguments for line of sight were still around in third and fourth, but they were a shitload less common.

>>47692590

It's a mixture of Grey Knights, Ultramarines, and perhaps one unit of Imperial Guard. He have Centurions, Dreadknight, Paladins, and the Chapter Master of the Ultramarines.

>>47692807
has anyone told you to kill yourself in the last hour?

>>47692746
No, we complain because it ruins our fun and immersion in the game, not our chance to win.

And most importantly, the faggots who does this ruins it even harder.

>>47692792
the assumption is that you take the rules literally, not "as literally as possible". RAW might as well be synonymous with RAI, but the way people use it colloquially is "as literally as possible", which is not only wrong, its frankly asinine.

>>47692838
Just the nose?

>>47692863
For example, if I get to take up to twenty thousand sons, does that mean I get to twenty models or twenty thousand?

>>47692815
No, but then you have the option of calling a TO and making a scene until the faggot clearly trying to cheat is either reprimanded/kicked or he just decides he doesn't want to be the center of a fuckton of negative attention.

Did this once on an unrelated topic, and the guy refused to break, and the TO apparently lacked a fucking spine, but when EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER chimed in, he finally left the tournament.

>>47692900
It would either be 20 Thousand suns or 20000 of your own children, as we can see you are intentionally being a faggot we can rule out the latter option

>>47692838
kek

To reiterate, RAW is just a bullshit argument, it doesn't mean anything.

>>47692924
By definition, everyone is trying to interpret RAW. Nobody is trying to make up their own rules or say that the rules do not apply to them.

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>>47692870
You know how you'll see mentions of tank crew, banners and other decorative shit not counting as part of the model (for the purposes of shooting or being shot at) in the core book?

That didn't used to be in the core book. It caused a lot of stupid arguments.

>>47692946
I assumed that in the 41st Millenium banners were indestructible. Isn't there a SM relic that was a standard from the Unification Wars, and the Smurfs have one that is made out of space fibers that repairs itself?

>>47692829
So to answer your question, I wouldn't take the plasma cannon generally. My personal preference will always be Missile Launcher followed by Lascannon for Heavy Weapons as those provide hard anti-armor.

Bolters are a fairly reliable weapon against most infantry as they wound most things on a 4+ or better and in sufficient numbers can deal serious damage to anything that doesn't have a gimmicky save.

Hope this helps.

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>>47692969
not sure but i wish they counted as power mauls or something, i have them modeled on my daemons but hardly use them

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Eliminating TLoS:

Terrain becomes more significant, making you invisible Instead of giving you a save you probably already have or exceed.

You can position units strategically, instead of autisming hidey holes.

Forests and area terrain becomes meaningful, whereas currently only buildings and ruins really are.

If you really want the ability to shoot through windows, you can houserule a unit within 1" of a window can opt to use it and be able to target/be targeted, and not break anything. Whereas the opposite, to houserule away TLoS piecemeal, would break everything.

Tanks (vehicles in general) become sturdier, because they can hide completely. Currently, their size makes hiding harder.

Fast movements become stronger because they can move more strategically, and assaulting becomes easier because you can avoid getting shot to shit from across the board.

Battling for positions, sight lanes, and target priority adds a layer of strategy.

My group has already houseruled away TLoS, and so can yours.

>>47692994
I remember a Smurf doing that to a DEldar.

>>47692577
Yes we do senpai

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>>47693020
i don't have that image on hand but have this image of a guardsman casually getting tossed aside

>>47693066
Why are Eldar such dicks

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>>47693037
Look like a Lego, and do nothing of value this edition.
>>47693066
I remember seeing a DP do that to a guardsman as a Repentia charged it.

>>47692969
Right, but people would try and land battle cannons or whatever non-indirect ordinance they had on hand on your squads because they could see sgt. fuckstick's banner over a hill or ruin, because technically speaking only forests (in third edition) and "area terrain" (in fourth edition) blocked line of sight through them completely.

It was completely ridiculous, but wasn't officially dealt with until fifth edition. Likely because TLoS would have made those retarded arguments even more prevalent.

>>47692969

>Indestructible.

Why not use them as shield then?

>>47693117
To show you're someone important?

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>>47693089
to be fair it's just a guardsman and they get hurt rather easily when the universe is filled with monsters

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>>47693109
Necron music edition.
>>47693111
It still sounds silly.

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Here's that picture I mentioned.

Do markerlights increase BS during snapshots?

watching a battlerep right now and a unit of kroot are hitting a flyer on 2s thanks to 4 markerlights on it, wondered if thats legit or not

>>47693223
Yes.

>>47693223
Yep.
Markerlights specifically state that they work on Snapshots.

Because Tau.

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I actually like the older DP style.

>>47693223

100% legit to use them on Snapeshots. The only situation in which Markerlights don't work is when there's BS modifier (like all shots are done at BS1 vs Culexus Assassin).

>>47693158
It was extremely silly.

I don't know why it took them so long to retard-proof the rules.

Does anyone have that green text story about some Traitor Space Marine stuck with some Commander that smelled like shit, I think they were gurgle worshipers.

Forgot to save it but my friends looking to start a Nurgle Csm force as his first army and I thought he would get a kick out of it.

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>>47693263
GW can only make logical decisions every full moon, but for fifteen minutes only. But most of those minutes are consumed in a self hating disgust, reeling from the stupidity they have committed. When they only have a few minutes left for their moment of lucidity they try to think of something to atone for it. This is very rare however.

I want Matt Ward back.

His codexes were too strong and his fluff was questionable, but his rules were fluffy, internally balanced, and most importantly, fun.

A Matt Ward Orkdex could fix everything wrong with the army.

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>>47693324
>Does anyone have that green text story about some Traitor Space Marine stuck with some Commander that smelled like shit, I think they were gurgle worshipers.
'ere you go.

>>47693332
I was recently playing my first 3000 point game and an older guy said he had some model that almost filled those points by itself and asked if I wanted to try a battle against it. Would that be the model?

Never really looked into forgeworld things but have been considering a Knight.

>>47693359
Thank you, I fine this one hilarious.

>>47693332
I hate the designs of Imperium super heavy walkers and titans so much.

>>47693366
Warlord Titans are 2750 or somesuch.

>>47693366
>3k points
can't be anything other than a warlord can it ?

So do Drop Pod doors have to open now? I mean since the doors are part of the model and you can longer jut put models on them, when you deepstrike, if you open the doors and they happen to be over an enemy model, what happens? I would think its a mishap (inertial guidance happens), but do those doors have to be opened, can a player just keep them closed or do doors have to be opened? And does this mean that when you place the droppod initially, you have to make sure it fits with it's doors open?

Without TLoS, how do you handle cover saves? Maybe there's good answers, I'm just asking.

Half a tank is behind a building, the other half is exposed. Does it get a cover save, or none, or can you not target it? What if the exposed half contains the entirety of the facing you're targeting?

You and an enemy unit are both in the same area terrain (forest, etc). What then?

Is cover by model, or by unit? Can excess wounds hit models not in LoS?

Area terrain (forests) block LoS, yes? I move a model into the terrain, is it visible now? And other units are visible to it? Can excess wounds spill onto his unit, who are behind the forest? Can his unit shoot at things only he can see?

>>47693469
FAQ states it's per model.
Does the Pod doors open? If so those petals better be at least 1" away from other models.

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>>47693366
Looking at the Reaver it is 1475 points, and a Warlord is 2750 points.
>>47693386
You're welcome.
>>47693387
>I hate the designs of Imperium super heavy walkers and titans so much.
Why?

>>47693469
>So do Drop Pod doors have to open now?

No.

>when you deepstrike, if you open the doors and they happen to be over an enemy model, what happens? I would think its a mishap (inertial guidance happens),

Correct.

>but do those doors have to be opened, can a player just keep them closed or do doors have to be opened? And does this mean that when you place the droppod initially, you have to make sure it fits with it's doors open?

This part we have no official answer to. Can you open and close doors at will, granting your unit LoS and then blocking it for the enemy? We don't know.

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>>47692510
Meet Straponius

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>>47693519
Oh my.

>>47693496
>Why

They're all top-heavy, their guns are mounted in a stupid way, they have these gangly pipe-bits forming major structural connections.

They just don't work for me at all, unlike the Imperium's other vehicles and walkers. Except flyers. I hate every flyer model in the game so far.

>>47693482
I see you're new to 40k. Maybe read up on some older editions before asking dumb questions.

>>47693387
>>47693403
>>47693496

Jesus Christ this things huge!
I bet it costs as much as a first car.

May be fun to try a game against. like a raid boss almost

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>>47693549
Now why do you hate every flyer?
>>47693565
Here you go.

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>>47693610

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>>47693629
Here's the Imperator Titan. Not really sure how it stacks up compared to the other three models, but as the largest titan it should be bigger. Should be. FW probably won't make an Imperator model and I think said they weren't.

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Don't know if anyone saw this on Facebook:

>Whoops, we got one wrong there.
>For the last question on this page, the answer should be 'No'.

>Please refrain from cutting all the arms off your Apothecaries, they need them for their nartheciums.

>Q: Is it possible for an Apothecary to carry items from the Special Weapons and/or Melee Weapons lists (e.g. by a Veteran purchasing upgrades, and being subsequently upgraded to an Apothecary)?
>A: No.

>>47693684
>HUEG CATHEDRAL ON SHOULDERS
>HUEG GUNS
>HUEG FEET
>itty bitty hips

>>47693610
And even that's slightly misleading, as contemptors are bigger than regular dreads.

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>>47693709
Hips don't lie, Anon.
>>47693728
The rocket racks add to the height.

>>47693610
Wait, Imperial Knights are bigger than reavers?

>>47693489
Can't they choose not to open some so they don't? Drop Podders do that to me all the time. Drop super close and just left two doors facing my units close then pile out right in front of them.

>>47693801
Imperators are bigger than Reavers. Knights are the smallest class of Imperial Superheavy Walker.

>>47693801
The FW one's that stand up straighter are I think but the regular GW knights come a bit under I believe

>>47693801
No. Despite how big newer Knights have become they won't reach Reaver size.

>>47693822
Whoops I was thinking of the warhound not the reaver.

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>>47693704
Pics or it didn't happen.

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>>47693709
It's a very manly physique

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>>47693549
>I hate every flyer model
>hating the thunderbolt
>hating the marauder
fighting words, man

>>47693872
Buff men don't have hands and feet the same size as their shoulders.

>>47693876
There's a few FW flyers that are alright.

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>>47692510

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Might as well pass this along, I guess.
>I bumped into a mate
>who had a chap with him
>who knew people at GW
So that's a friend of a friend of a friend.

>>47693943
This must have been before C'lark got the Gauss Flayer strap-on.

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>>47693926
It's a shame they replaced this beauty with the Voss garbage.

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>>47693869
You could have also checked their Facebook page that I was claiming as a source, but you know, whatever.

>>47693946
So if this is true, Magnus is going to invade Fenris AGAIN, and he's inevitably going to be beaten AGAIN. Because the only people allowed to beat Space Marines in the fluff these days are the Tau.

Biggest jobber in 40k confirmed?

>>47693988
>Magnus invades Fenris
>Russ returns in the nick of wolftime
>breaks Magnus' back again and deports him to the Eye

>>47693946
appropriate filename

Natfka rumors truly are super legitimate. Now we get to see if the broken clock can give us the right time.

>>47694043
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY AT THE FENRISDOOOOOME

Rate my faction pitch:

>basic infantry can merge into bigger, stronger units
>those can split back into smaller units at will
>number of wounds is preserved either way

Example:
A squad of nine merge, and are removed from the table. A tank with MC stats replaces them.

Six merge, and a MC replaces them.

Three merge, and they become a slightly bigger infantry. You can do this with an entire squad, turning 9x1 into 3x3.

Once they split, they get however many wounds they had left as models. Their units would have high points costs, because you need 2x the models.

They'd also have vehicles and different varieties of units with their own merges and shit. They'd be focused on alpha strikes, growing weaker in various ways on the second turn / second round of combat / however else.

>>47693984
That is very disappointing. I was excited about being able to have an Apothecary that wasn't a pushover in combat.

>>47694069
Hrud?

>>47694069
>Buying several thousand points of models to play a 1500-point pickup game

For what purpose?

>>47694067
>At the Emperor's Palace, the Custodians prepare to perform the rite of the Emperor's Tarot
>They draw the Holy Card, and hands shaking, turn it over
>A moment passes, then the Custodes look at each other in confusion
>"What does it mean, 'Are you ready'?"

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>>47694043
too simple

>magnus despite himself actually manages to slaughter most of the wolves
>leman russ gets smacked down
>just as magnus is about to strike the final blow he slips on a banana peel and impales himself on a stole- liberated wolf nemesis force weapon
>it just so happened to be used by a lowly serf
>the serf helps up leman russ
>winks at the viewer and condescendingly tells leman russ maybe next time

>>47694101
It's the same basic premise as units than can spawn a Demon Prince.

Except that it can go back to being the original unit at will.

>>47694069
Seems like it could work, assuming you made it fairly sensible how things fused. I think you'd also be better having smaller squads fusing into smaller MCs, rather than massive blobs into massive ones. Maybe make 3 levels instead, so you can have a basic squad of like 3 fuse into a dread, and then 3 dreads fuse into something knight-sized

It'd be hard to balance though.

>>47694137
throw in a chase between magnus and russ with benny hill music and i'm sold.

>>47694137
No. My idea was better.

Don't respond to my posts.

>>47693984
Oh hey, Games Workshop refused to address Smashfucker Prime using Cataphractii Armour on a Bike. I'm going to go ahead and accept this as permission to keep doing it.

>>47694159
>units than can spawn a Demon Prince

what kinda of 40k have you been playing anon?

>>47694137
The clinks of GK hardons tapping power armour will echo through the galaxy as Dante himself teleports behind Magnus and scoffs, "nothing personal kid" as he suplexes him into the warp rift Dante entered through.

>>47693240
Oh the horror. Tau ignore a core rule! No othr army does this!

Oh wait, Marines does, and I don't even have the patience to list HALF of the rules they just ignore.

Because muhreen.

>>47694217
Bikes can't be taken by models in Terminator Armour. Going to have to say that'd apply to Cataphractii TERMINATOR Armour too.

Seriously anon, are you trying to be an idiot?

>>47694282
Faced a Ravenwing player for the first time last week. He tried to justify the strike forces ability to turbo boost turn one to get a consequence free Jink was fluffy even when every single thing on his field had scout.

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>>47694216
>Don't respond to my posts.

>>47692946
Don't know how everyone else is having this cause kerfuffles, but I've never had issues with folk shooting at my models' banners, wings, and other decor.

The rare times it happens, I tell my opponent that rule, and then ask if they can see any other part of that model (including any part of the model that would be behind the decor in question) to which i receive a "no, you're right" afterwards.

Can you guys tell some horror stories on how this rule could possibly cause confusion? It's completely logical.

>>47694220
The one where you roll double sixes as CSM.

>>47694137
Just for fucking shit up and non-expected consequences would be cool if Ahriman appeared too

>>47694313
It only says it counts as Terminator armour for the purposes of transport capacity and formations. It doesn't say it counts as Terminator armour for the purposes of wargear.

"Cataphracti Terminator Armour" is not the same as "Terminator Armour". There's an extra word there, it's a completely different thing with very specifically defined rules. Nowhere in its rules states that you can't have it on a bike. Or have a Jump Pack.

>>47694217
Please die for the good of the hobby.

>>47694313
Don't talk to people who think it's acceptable. It's a waste of your time, energy, and mental health.

>>47694367
Cataphracti Terminator armor is still a kind of Terminator armor. Even if the rules (written before the Cataphracti Terminator armour was added to 40k) don't say it specifically they shouldn't need to.

But clearly putting your head up your own ass for the sake of being retarded and gaining a marginal benefit is perfectly alright instead of taking a sensible approach to the rules.

>>47694336
Well at tournaments I've had people try to shoot at things that were out of line of sight and/or out of range on top of the whole banners, wings, capes, and weapons rule and they get really upset when you call them on it.

These people are already playing top tier armies designed to stomp their opponents into the ground, I don't think they care about the rules so long as they win.

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>>47694408
No, it's not terminator armour. Otherwise it would just be called Terminator Armour. Or Games Workshop would have written something like, "Cataphractii Armour counts as terminator armour for all purposes".

Instead they went and specifically defined which cases it counts as terminator armour for. And wargear is not one of them. In addition, the Cataphractii Captains have the option of taking Special Issue items, therefore they can have bikes. Why don't you read the book?

>>47694391
The arguement is like saying a Stormraven couldn't carry a Venerable Dreadnought because it wasn't a "Dreadnought".

It's stupid and ignores everything about how the game works.

How is my casual/LGS play BAngels list? I'm a couple of point shy, I could use some tips on how to pad it out.

+++ Blood Angels (1446pts) +++

+ HQ (301pts) +

Librarian (Terminator) (150pts) [Auspex (5pts), Combi-Melta (10pts), Digital weapons (10pts), Psyker (ML2) (25pts), Teleport homer (10pts)]
····Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Independent Character, Psyker

Sanguinary Priest (151pts) [Additional Weapon (1pts), Combi-Melta (10pts), Digital weapons (10pts), Jump pack (15pts), Melta bombs (5pts), Relic blade (25pts), Teleport homer (10pts), The Veritas Vitae (15pts), Warlord]
····Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Furious Charge, Independent Character, Warlord

+ Elites (795pts) +

Lemartes, Guardian of the Lost (130pts)
····Rules: Fearless, Furious Charge, Fury Unbound, Guardian of the Lost, Rage, Relentless, Zealot

Sanguinary Guard Squad (170pts) [5x Angelus Boltgun, Death Masks (5pts), 5x Encarmine Sword, 5x Sanguinary Guard (165pts)]
····Rules: Fearless, Furious Charge

Terminator Assault Squad (495pts) [Company Standard (replaces a Claw or Shield) (5pts), 4x Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield (180pts), Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield (45pts)]
····Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Combat Squads, Furious Charge
····Land Raider Crusader (265pts) [Pintle Multi-melta (10pts), Storm bolter (5pts)]
········Rules: Assault Vehicle, Power of the Machine Spirit, Transport 16

+ Troops (350pts) +

Cassor the Damned (140pts)
····Rules: Furious Charge, None Can Stay My Wrath, Rage

Raphen's Death Company (210pts)
····Rules: Fearless, Feel No Pain, Furious Charge, Rage, Relentless

>>47694450
But anon, it really can't. Don't you know Venerable and ironclad dreadnoughts are too heavy to be carried? RAW-wise they can't go in a stormraven. And RAW is the only thing competitive respects.

>>47694443
By your logic Ironclad Dreadnoughts, Vernable Dreadnoughts, and Contemptor Dreadnoughts aren't "Dreadnoughts" just because they have extra words in the name.

Quit being a fucking idiot.

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>>47694470
>>47694450
>>47694408
>>47694313

>>47694468
That sort of RAW bullshit is why the FAQ has to answer stupid questions.

Whatever happened to taking the least adventagous interpretation of a rule for fairness unless GW came out and said otherwise? Or is not being a walking cock too hard these days?

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>>47694487

>>47694450
What did I just fucking say?

You're only going to make yourself angry by arguing with the retard. Just ignore it. If someone at your FLGS tries to make that argument, just pick up your models and walk away. Don't waste your breath.

>>47694480
Sadly when it comes to traditional games you end up in a Poe's Law senario.

What's worse is I've seen people take the claim seriously and then try to use it in their own armies. NOT challenging the stupid is just as bad as challenging it.

>>47691997
Pre-order June 11th, release June 18th

>>47694336
>I tell my opponent that rule
I'm not sure how you missed the second sentence of that post. There's only three.

>>47694514
Oh no, I'm being completely serious about bringing SMASHFUCKER PRIME to games. At a whopping 800 points for just 9 models, plus the cost of the decurion required to actually give him the FNP, he's just stupid enough to be worth if when playing silly lists for fun. The fact that he's literally unkillable makes it even better.

Don't get me wrong, I do write satire. I originally discovered and shitposted constantly about PRIME for the express purpose of satire. Then he became legendary for his bullshit when someone actually crunched the math and found out he can kill all the primarchs.

You can't take anything seriously when someone uses a hilarious RAW exploit to create a 800 point model that can't be killed by anything.

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>>47694577
>can't be killed

cute

>>47691753
>If the doors glued shut, does it block LOS or not?
It does.

>>47693519
This is shit and whoever made it is shit, tbqh famalam.

>>47694336
For real; the BRB already says wings & accessories don't count: it has to be a core body part.

>>47693946

Truly Age of the Emperor is unavoidable
And the first book will be The Wolf Times: Fenris

>>47693223
Yeah, but the markerlights are snapshot too.

>>47694732
Don't Tau have Markerlights on Skyfire platforms?

Or is the Skyray the only one?

>>47694752
some of the forgeworld fliers have markerlights

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>>47694624
> Still needing to actually hit Smashfucker PRIME
> When smashfucker is being followed by a retinue of honour guard and librarians, who can give him invisibility
> You straight up cannot target him or his goons with the D weapons because blast.

Have fun nigger.

>>47694941
>blast
You may be mistaken

I mean yeah your still not wrong, a wraithknight wont beat smashfucker prime if his retinue manages to roll invisilibty. Hell even 3 wraithknights (the equivalent points) likely wont defeat him either with some lucky LOS roles, but if you don't roll invis, any moderately survivable melee D will kill him

>>47694624
If you plan on killing SMASHFUCKER PRIME that's the wrong D wielding model, my friend

>>47695040
Melee Wraithknight and D-thirster should both be able to manage it. It's just a matter of rolling a 6 on the Destroyer table in the first 2-3 rounds of combat.

Whatever happened to the big boxed sets from last year like cadian defence force and wychcult shardstorm? Were they limited run? I'm dying to start dark eldar and would love to find that box somewhere.

Quick 1000pt IG List
1000 Pts Imperial Guard

HQ
Command Squad (174 Pts)
- Veteran (4): Flak Armour, FgGren, Lasgun(3), Heavy Flamer, Medi-pack, Carapace Armour(4),
- Company Commander (1): Flak Armour, FgGren, Refractor Field, CCW, Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour,
- Chimera (1): Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Extra armour,

Troops
Platoon Infantry Squad (126 Pts)
- Guardsman (9): Flak Armour, FgGren, Lasgun, Meltagun,
- Sergeant (1): Flak Armour, FgGren, Bolt Pistol, CCW,
- Chimera (1): Milti-laser, Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers,
Platoon Infantry Squad (50 Pts)
- Guardsman (9): Flak Armour, FgGren, Lasgun,
- Sergeant (1): Flak Armour, FgGren, Laspistol, CCW,
Heavy Weapons Squad (75 Pts)
- Heavy Weapon Team (3): Flak Armour, FgGren, Lasgun, Autocannon(3),

Elites
Militarum Scions (245 Pts) (Kasrkin)
- Tempestus Scion (9): Carapace Armour, FgGren, KrGren, Hot-shot Lasgun, Grenade Launcher(2),
- Tempestor (1): Flak Armour, FgGren, Hot-shot Laspistol, Power Weapon,
- Taurox Prime (1): Taurox Battle Cannon, TL Autocannon, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Extra armour,

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Squadron (330 Pts)
- Leman Russ (1): Vanquisher Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Dozer Blade, Smoke Launchers, Extra armour,
- Leman Russ (1): Punisher Gatling Cannon, Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Extra armour,

>>47695090
not a CAD, you've only got one troop choice.
Also, need the platoon command squad in the platoon.

>>47695064
With D-Sword knight and D-Thirster, it's also important to remember that you're in a race against time against PRIME. Since he has a full retinue of 10 models, you need to kill all 10 of them with the almighty D, and then hit smashfucker 6 times in order to kill him. This has to happen before Prime and his retinue kill you in return. It's hard to do, but it can be done. However since Smashfucker stands in front of his retinue, it's completely impossible to shave the wounds off of him on the approach, unless you have deep strikers ready to come in the rear of his retinue.

>>47691854

I've used a normal Baneblade a few times, its nothing that is too impressive if you have a lot of armour. However, it is absolutely nasty against horde armies or any exposed infantry. Its firepower may also vary depending on the weaponry he has upgraded it with; I took my sponsons off and replaced it with AV14, so I have 4 weapons less, while some may put an extra 4 for 100 points.

Once you get up close its fucking dead, mine was taken down by a Wraithknight like nothing, and Thunderwolves as well.

>>47695133
You can just challenge him, then he gets to chose between eating the D or sitting out the fight.

>>47695167
almost took one down in one turn with Fire Dragons, and that was a 5 man squad. With a ten man, it's gonna go boom.

>>47695123
Wouldn't two platoon infantry squads be the 2 troops? Plus the extra heavy weapons squad?

>>47693704
>Can Black TEmplars use Crusader Squads instead of Tacticcal Squads in Formations?
>No.

Thanks GW.

>>47695187
wraithknights can't challenge, they aren't characters.

D-thirster is initiative 1.

>>47695187
Well you can challenge the unit.
Smashfucker's play can nominate a character of his choice to step up. If no character does, Smashfucker sits out.

>>47695187
D-sword knight can't challenge. In addition, there are 6 characters in his retinue that can accept on his behalf. So while D-Thirster can issue challenges, it won't get him to Smashfucker any faster.

>>47695225
what's the set up for this? 5 man command squad on bikes with grav guns, storm shields and apoc?

>>47695196
No.

two infantry platoons and a platoon commmans squad make one troop choice, if you want two "cheap" troop options get veterans, they come to a total of 120 points for two units and are two troop choices.

>>47695196
infantry platoon squads aren't a troop choice.

The troop choice is Infantry Platoon, which is two infantry squads and a command squad.

At low point values it's pretty hard to run anything but vets for your troops.
I've got a buddy doing it at 750 for our escalation league, but he's got no transports, no elites, and only 1 russ.

>>47695238
5-man Command Squad on bikes, only 2 taking Storm Shields to soak wounds from Flankers. Librarius Conclave on Bikes to give him psyker buffs, most important of which is Sanctuary so his 3++ rerolling 1s, turns into a rerollable 2++. He sits in the Iron Hands Decurion so he has a grand total of +3 FNP.

Smashfucker stands in the FRONT of the squad, so he can soak wounds on their behalf with his Rerollable 2++/2+ FNP. He doesn't need the squad to soak wounds for him, since his saves are too good. He only goes for Look Out Sir if a 6 on the D table hits him.

>>47695244
>>47695243
Ah I get it.
Okay so I could do a full platoon with a heavy weapons squad and then a veterans squad to make up the two troops.

>>47695268
>3++ rerolling 1s
Oh, that bikernator shit.

Not gonna waste any effort on that.

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>>47695291

>>47695286
yeah, you got it now

That's actually how most guard armies looked like, even before vet squads existed. People would take the one mandatory infantry platoon, then they'd take an armored fist squad for the second troop choice to save some money.

Trying to build my first army ever, can someone tell me where to find the Special/Heavy Weapons list for Space Marines? Trying to equip a Tactical Squad.

>>47695301
Indeed, putting a not!teminator on a bike is pretty bait worthy.

>>47695360
in the codex

>>47695360
Should be right before all the unit datasheets. Just leave them cheap or maybe take a gravgun. Spend your points on useful units.

>>47695377
Yeah i've found a couple of heavy weapons, but what classifies special weapons? Its all scattered throughout the Armoury.

>>47695360
Weapon lists are always located right before the HQ section of troop listings in Codexes.

Actual stats for those weapons are located way in the back of the book after the troops lists.

>>47695343
Yeah and I really wanted to add that allied attachment for the scions since I just scored some Kasrkins that will be coming in soon. I'm gonna convert the Taurox Prime with some wheels and dumb it down to match up with them.

>tfw I place an order on 5/23 and it already arrived.

Usually I have to wait at least a month. These chinamen are getting quick.

since we actually have people talking about IG hear now,

I'm running fairly mechanized guard for my list, and am thinking about adding a Hellhound in the next 250, are 500 pts added to the army.

How good are hellhounds. I'll be facing other IG, nurgle demon, necrons, marines, and fairly non-cheesy eldar.

>>47692483

For fucks sake drop pods are not hard to build and if you want to make it easier to paint leave the "guts" of the thing out. The doors can still open and everyone knows if they are shooting through the drop pod it's 5+ cover. Move on.

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This thread is auto-saging, and the mods deleted both new threads. What the fuck?

>>47695590
>mods

>>47695590
Maybe you should wait until this thread has sunk lower? To like page 8 or 9?

>>47695291
It doesn't even need that anyway - marines have access to a discipline that lets you reroll saving throws now, so you can get a chaptermaster instead of a captain.

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I guess we'll stick around a little longer.

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>>47695615
But how will we force johnny if we can't post it the moment the old thread starts auto-saging?

>>47695590
it's only page 4. wait til it gets to at least 9. There's already 10+ fucking 40k threads. There's a reason the rest of /tg/ hates us you know.

>>47695630
> Rest of /tg/ hates 40k
> Implying /tg/ ISNT 40k
Nigger, I hope you realize /tg/ is literally the containment board for 40k fans on /v/. 40k is /tg/, and /tg/ is 40k. This is precisely why there's 10+ 40k threads on the board.

>>47695650
>Implying we aren't outnumbered by MTG threads.

>>47695676
> Ctrl-f "MTG"
11 results
> Ctrl-f "40k"
16 results

Other way around.

Is ebay the only way to find Large Oval Bases with Flight stands or is there a third party site. I am in the US.

>>47695676
Fuck mtg faggots. /tg/ was always a 40k containment board. Wednesday warhammer nights forever!

>>47695700
You forgot the threads that are misspelled, untitled, custom card threads, the billion different format threads.

>>47695650
There are other threads dumbass.

>>47695712
>>47695676
Can confirm that /mtg/ faggots are insufferable niggers and school kids. Out of the 7 times my FLGS was broken into and robbed, it was always to steal magic cards.

Nevermind the 1000$ worth of Pro-painted minis in the display case, or the fully painted titan.

Nevermind the 20,000$ worth of ultra-rare comics. Or god forbid the expensive as fuck boardgames that the previous owner left for the new owner.

Nope, the niggers always need to steal 20$ worth of magic cards to round out their collection, because their faggot parents don't give them enough good boy points.

>>47695752
Magic booters are way easier to resell than comics or minis.

>>47695191
Precisely.

I adore hueg tanks but they are very, very impractical unless they're very heavily supported. Your Fire Dragons, for example, I would tie up with some Ogryns or Conscripts, but if you get the first shot after jumping out of a Wave Serpent it'd be GG for the BB.

>>47695817
Yea, this is true too. Those comics were the very reason that the previous owner quit the business. She just can't sell 2000$ comicbooks, or 150$ obscure boardgames. With the new owner, all of those have sat on the precious shelf-space unsold, for a whopping 8 years. If anything it would be a service to the new owner if someone came and stole them all, so that he could start stocking the shelves with stuff that can actually sell.

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Yes, yes soon space marine players will be as hated as Eldar and tau. Muahahahahahaha.

Should I put a mask on when I sandpaper down this chink resin?

>>47695897
you should do that with any resin, chinese, russian, american or european

>>47695897
You should always be wearing a respirator for sanding any kind of resin or lead based paint.

>>47695890
>Soon

People hate them already, it's just not as "cool" as hating on the other.

>>47695863
Comics he should advertise online. If they aren't new, and especially if they are rarer or collectable, it's unlikely a buyer will just stumble into the store.

Unless you're a dedicated comic store, older comics outside of the routinely sellable vertigo collections, and maybe some of the top X-men and DC ones, aren't going to move.

For boardgames, you need to either establish a community, or order based on demand. If he hasn't sold them in 8 years, pop a copy of each open and hold board game nights at the store.

>>47695933
>>47695939
Thank goodness I asked, never really had to sand down real FW resin.

These recasts are really decent but they need some TLC to make everything fit well.

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So, i finally menaged to write down a 1500 mechanized IG point list, im not an expert so i probably fucked up a lot of things

Company command squad+master of ordnance=80
Banehammer:410p
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troops
Platoon command squad with heavy flamer on chimera:105p
infantry squad with plasma rifle mounted in the banehammer:65p
combined squad with
infantry squad with plasma rifle mounted in the banehammer:65p
commissar for the combined squad:25p
ministrorum priest for combined squad:25p
special weapon squad 3 plasma rifles mounted in banehammer:75p
veterans grenadiers with 2 plasma rifles on chimera:170p
veterans grenadiers with 3 melta on chimera: 170p
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Heavy support
Leeman russ battle tank:150
Leeman russ exterminator, lascannon, heavy bolter sponsons:160