Warhammer 40k General

So those of you have face or play IG often enough - How will you be dealing with the surge of scions?

Their article hints that they will be able to bring troops back. Any further leak for the formations?

Their orders can make them potent additions on the field.

Will Space Marines be bringing these for any reason?

>>47678429
How would you pimp a tech priest's snow mobile out?

>>47678550
While I like Scion fluff they don't feel like they have enough teeth to actually be a threat to anything (when run pure and free from allies) that brings tanks and/or pieplates. Getting a unit back (likely on a roll meaning it's not a sure thing) isn't a horrible way to keep them in the fight.

Plus new units are worth kill points so that helps balance things a bit.

>>47678584
I'm perfectly happy to lose 1 warrior and change the 2 Stalkers for 2 Nightscythes
Does mean i only start with the 1 blob on the board though

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>>47678550
how will i deal with it? things will get LOUD!!!

+++ Blood Angels (1288pts) +++

++ Blood Angels: Codex (2014) (BA Baal Strike Force) (1288pts) ++

+ (No Category) +

Relics and Detachment-rules [Codex: Blood Angels]

Sanguinary Discipline

+ HQ (360pts) +

Captain (135pts) [Artificer Armour (20pts), Hand Flamer (10pts), Lightning claw (15pts), Warlord]

Captain (135pts) [Artificer Armour (20pts), Combi-Plasma (10pts), Power weapon (15pts)]

Librarian (90pts) [Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Psyker (ML2) (25pts)]

+ Elites (470pts) +

Death Company Squad (115pts) [Bolt Pistol, 4x Bolter, 4x Chainsword, 5x Death Company Marine (100pts), Power Weapon (15pts)]

Furioso Dreadnought (130pts) [Magna-grapple]
····Power Fists (5pts) [Frag cannon (5pts), Heavy flamer]

Terminator Squad (225pts) [Assault Cannon (replaces Storm Bolter) (20pts), Chainfist (replaces Power fist) (5pts), 4x Terminators (160pts)]
····Sergeant (40pts) [Power Sword]

+ Troops (380pts) +

Tactical Squad (185pts) [Flamer (5pts), Heavy flamer (10pts), 9x Tactical Marine (126pts)]
····Tactical Sergeant (44pts) [Power weapon (15pts), Storm bolter (5pts), Veteran Sergeant (10pts)]

Tactical Squad (195pts) [Plasma cannon (15pts), Plasma gun (15pts), 9x Tactical Marine (126pts)]
····Tactical Sergeant (39pts) [Chainsword, Plasma Pistol (15pts), Veteran Sergeant (10pts)]

+ Fast Attack (78pts) +

Bike Squad (78pts) [Plasma gun (15pts), 2x Space Marine Biker (42pts)]
····Biker Sergeant (21pts) [Chainsword]

What do I fix? I'm going to be playing against Nurgle CSM and Chaos Daemons.

Daily reminder that Slaanesh is disgusting, immature and offensive, not just with it's childish portrayal with nudity, but with it's blatant misogyny and GW would do themselves a great service by removing Slaanesh from the game.

But first make a public apology for selling a 6 breasted Keeper of Secrets on Forge World.

>>47678633
>1288pts
Why the world's most random number?

>>47678664
Khorne, without Slaanesh how would we have Noise Marines? If we replaced Slaanesh with a spider god we could still have Noise Marines with spider bass I guess.
>>47678668
How is it the world's most random number?

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Questions for the new thread:
Do you use Terminators in your list?
How do you justify the rather high point costs for those 1W models?

>>47678633
It looks fine for a 1288pt game.

>>47678689
I dunno, ask BoLS. Since they've decided to go "fuck it, clickbait bullshit is better for profits".

>>47678691
yes
they look cool

>>47678664
Or, and this is just me spitballing ideas, anyone who wants modern SJW ethics in a game where the main theme is war and how horrible life in that setting is, should take an eviscerator to the face.

Sincerly,

A trans person

>>47678689
>How is it the world's most random number?
Because it isn't an even number, the closest point level usually played to it would be 1250, the next step is usually 1500.

>"But I am one 38 points over"
That could be a whole transport for your opponent who built their list with the usual limitations in mind.

You can always agree to play at 1300 for anyone cares or even 1288 as long as both players agree.

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what's the difference between jump, and jetpack infantry? I'm reading the rules and there doesn't seem to be a distinction between the two

>As with jump units, "Jet Pack" is not a classification in and of itself. Instead, you'll find it occurs in addition to another - Jet pack infantry for example. If no such distinction is made in a unit entry, treat the model as Jet Pack infantry

So what does that classify scourges as? Jump pack, or Jet pack?

>>47678691
Only when I need to soften my normal lists.

>>47678726
Biggest that comes to mind (other than XENOS HERESY) is that Jetpack has an assault move.

>>47678726
>UNIT TYPE: Jump Infantry
>"so guys, are they jump or jet?"

Anon. Pls anon.

>>47678726
>what's the difference between jump, and jetpack infantry? I'm reading the rules and there doesn't seem to be a distinction between the two

The rules show the difference between them, maybe you just dont understand the game well?

>>47678749
but
>If no such distinction is made in a unit entry, treat the model as Jet Pack infantry

This is what confuses me

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Ok GW Facebook team, that's actually not half bad.

Man, I want to make a Flamer themed IG army, but I feel like my current IG color scheme wouldn't feel right for it.

>>47678726
in layman's terms

jump- 12" move
jet: 6" move, 2D6" assault-phase move

>what does that classify scourges as?
Jump infantry. You can read, right?

>>47678719
>trans person

Now you've done it, despite you saying something I agree with, your mental state must be taken into consideration and thus I must dismiss whatever you said as a symptom of the severe delusion and mental illness you're suffering.

t. A normal person

But seriously, BoLS should just be nuked, they're just clickbait for nerds atm

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Whats your favorite 40k image?

>>47678765
They did some really neat stuff. They did a "What chapter are you" picture and it was pretty funny.

>>47678776
Do you mean official or what? If it can be any, then stuff I can't show on a blueboard.

Apart from that, yangzhey's stuff is great, sameface, but still neat.

Officially? Rocks to face.

>>47678775
Only reason I quantified it that way was basically to go "as someone who should be on the side of the crazy SJW crowd, even I think they're fucking nuts."

And agreed, BoLS is just the Gawker of traditional gaming at this point.

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>>47678765
Kek.
>>47678776
Any of the Emperor vs Horus, Big E himself, or anything of Papa Sang.

>>47678726
Both confer Deep Strike. Both allow you to ignore terrain in the movement phase if you do not begin or end the move on it. Both ignore vertical distance when moving.

Jump packs let you move farther in Movement OR reroll charge range and get Hammer of Wrath.

Jetpacks let you move 2d6 in Assault (also ignoring terrain as in Movement) and confer Relentless. You can choose to move on foot in the movement phase to avoid terrain issues, but the assault move is always made with thrusters.

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Why do the orks have such cute ears? :3

>>47678726
It's saying if a unit is just listed as "JetPack," assume it's Jetpack Infantry. Learn to reading comprehend.

>>47678429
Rate My List

+++ Bleeder (1500pts) +++

++ Militarum Tempestus: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [4x Tempestus Scion w/ Meltagun]
Tempestor Prime [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol]

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [4x Tempestus Scion w/ Meltagun]
Tempestor Prime [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol]

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [9x Tempestus Scion]
Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol]

Militarum Tempestus Scions [9x Tempestus Scion]
Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol]

+ Fast Attack +

Taurox Prime [Twin-linked Autocannon, Twin-linked Taurox Gatling Cannon]

Taurox Prime [Twin-linked Autocannon, Twin-linked Taurox Gatling Cannon]

++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ (No Category) +

Chapter Tactics [Ultramarines]

Show FW models * [1. HQ, 2. Elites, 3. Fast Attack, 4. Heavy Support]

+ HQ +

Sergeant Telion

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [9x Boltgun, 9x Scouts]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Scout Squad [9x Boltgun, 9x Scouts]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Scout Squad [4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]

+ Fast Attack +

Stormhawk Interceptor [Icarus Stormcannon, Skyhammer Missile Launcher]

Stormhawk Interceptor [Icarus Stormcannon, Skyhammer Missile Launcher]

+ Heavy Support +

Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought [Aiolos Missle Launcher, Twin-linked Anvilus Pattern Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer]

+++ Sistas 1000 (947pts) +++

Ministorum Priest (45pts) [Power Maul (15pts), Storm Bolter (5pts)]

Ministorum Priest (45pts) [Power Maul (15pts), Storm Bolter (5pts)]

Ministorum Priest (45pts) [Power Maul (15pts), Storm Bolter (5pts)]

+ HQ (100pts) +

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts)

+ Troops (298pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (149pts) [4x Battle Sister (48pts), Battle Sister with Flamer (17pts), Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer (22pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Sister Superior (22pts) [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer (10pts)]

Battle Sister Squad (149pts) [4x Battle Sister (48pts), Battle Sister with Flamer (17pts), Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer (22pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Sister Superior (22pts) [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer (10pts)]

+ Fast Attack (414pts) +

Dominion Squad (207pts) [4x Dominion (52pts), 4x Dominion with Meltagun (92pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Dominion Superior (23pts) [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta (10pts)]

Dominion Squad (207pts) [4x Dominion (52pts), 4x Dominion with Meltagun (92pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Dominion Superior (23pts) [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta (10pts)]

Going for a mobile and small 1000 points list. Facing mainly Necrons, Imperial Fist, Imperial Guard, Eldar and Nids.

On the plus side everyone is pretty much old school players so most of the armies are rather for "fun" than fully broken stuff.

>>47678664
Only fools with literally no understanding of how Slaanesh works would believe this bait.

Seriously, does it just get you off to make people mad on the internet?

>>47678815
I understood that bit, it's just that the wording confused me as to what counts as jet pack and jump pack. mostly because of this line

>If no such distinction is made in a unit entry, treat the model as Jet Pack infantry

Now that I read it it's becoming more clear

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>>47678784

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>>47678776

I like some of the old SM artwork even if it isnt as detailed as what is printed these days.

>>47678803
I know anon, I was messing about. I assume you're MtF. I'm just getting annoyed with BoLS as they think they have a monopoly and they just write clickbait and then defend it as a 'opinion piece', which is what newspapers, magazines and websites do, to avoid biased accusations.

The entire article is basically

>waah it's not mature!
>my Japanese anime is way more mature!

That is literally it. I shit you not.

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>>47678862

Can someone make a List Building thread to contain all this bullshit.

>>47678850
>>47678839
>>47678633

>>47678857
Should read as
>If it's listed as "Jet Pack" without an actual unit type, assume it's "Jet Pack Infantry."

>>47678853
It was a joke anon, based on this

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/06/on-maturity-40k-and-slaanesh.html

The whole point is BoLS is suppose to be for 40k fans, yet they write shit like this.

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>>47678776
this is one of my favorites

>>47678691
same way i justify any expensive unit; they have a nice paint job and i don't expect them to do much anyway

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>>47678876

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>>47678900

>>47678880
list threads don't live long or get much done. not like we have anything but old business to talk about anyway

>>47678862
>>47678876
That's it. Dark Angels, Flesh Tearers and Imperial Fists ones are great.

Chaos one is always great due to one reason

>I Am Alpharius
>Sure you are...

They did another one as well, about applying to Prospero's University.

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>>47678914

>>47678784
What you mean like those personality tests? I'd be down to one of those as I've yet to really find a chapter I like

>>47678885
Alright, now it makes much more sense. Thanks

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>>47678928
They clearly have someone with a sense of humor on the team and it's great.

>>47678914
>Left hand is the hand of Chaos

;_; Being a leftie is suffering....

>>47678880
thats what the general is supposed to be for, asshat.

Everything else is shitposting.

>>47678943
It's already been posted. See >>47678862
>>47678876

Not detailed, but fun enough for a facebook picture.

>>47678945
Yeah. Do you have the Prospero University picture?

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>>47678914
>left hand is the hand of Chaos
Interesting. The nuns from that one American Dad episode was right!
>>47678931
Needs more Ork speak.
>>47678946
Don't worry, Anon. I'll get the fish.

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>>47678961

>>47678668
>>47678697
It's just a list of everything I own, ignore the points if you can. If not I'll try to cut it down to 750 or 1,000.

>>47678899
>this is one of my favorites
That is my favorite comic type one as well. Someday I will buy a Fourth Darkshroud to attempt this conversion.

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>>47678969
Yo.

>>47678969
I don't have the Prospero U picture...yet. Give me a few minutes.

>>47678988
Nevermind. Based Anon got there first. >>47678985

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>>47678961
>avatar of spite

my bet is everyone gets hatred loyalists within 6" of the chaos lord

>>47678980
i got a lot of fun images

>>47678970
thats something real nuns still do.

>>47678985
>>47678988
Thanks anons. Always makes me smile.

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>>47679024
Oh you.
>>47679031
Did not know that.
>>47679042
You're welcome.

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>>47678970
Yeah. Some nuns still believe that shit, as for smacking it with a fish, I dunno.

Thankfully, I can just about write with my righthand and everything else that involves righthand (painting, scissors, etc) I can do with my right hand.

>>47678776
This is fun, for me.

>>47679007
Pretty much what I think too, or something equally pointless. Something to do with the proximity of the HQ or Helbrute at least.

>>47679031
>>47679052
Yeah, there is still a lot of religious hang up on the lefthand being "of the devil".

>>47679073
Well now I'm laughing. But why a fish?

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>>47678550
a pure scion list is a lot like playing against a hyper-optimized mechanized guard list in 5th ed, but those MSU melta squads are in fast transports with carapace armor, AP3 base, and has scion orders, which are quite good indeed.

the scion is a very capable model, and their list, while barebones, contains nothing that distracts from what they do best - get to somewhere quickly and shit firepower all over the enemy. their formations, while not gamebreaking, also significantly enhance each model's performance, with the ground assault formation being quite good indeed.

they are surprisingly capable on their own, and allies - particularly inquisitorial allies, make their list quite good indeed. Don't let the lack of options fool you, the Scion list is deceivingly adaptable and works quite well on its own or as allies.

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>>47678887
Ah okay, disregard my personal attack then.

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>>47679073
>Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

>O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.

>You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw your own mother!

>So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

I love history

>>47679096
But why?

>>47679115
Because crazy middle ages religious bs?

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What kind of Crusader squads are optimal at this moment in time? Still the 5 lads with heavy/special and the 8/8 land raider hikers?

>>47678970
It's an old Catholic tradition. In fact, the very word "sinster" comes from the latin "Sinistra," which meant "Left."

>>47679130
>>47679132
Thanks for informing me.

>>47679108
>quite good indeed

kek

But solid assessment

>>47679132

Left Hand Corps War.

>>47679031
>>47679052
>>47679073
>>47679096
Back in the fatherland, they beat my Opa whenever he used his left hand to write. They actually made him ambidextrous because they eventually resorted to tying his left arm behind his back during class.

>>47679115
>>47679132
Judas also poured wine into Jesus' cup with his left hand

>>47678955
Hey, there's other important stuff to do here. Like repost images everyone has already seen and could easily find if they weren't too retarded to use google. Or ask questions that even the most cursory attempt at looking at the rules would solve.

>>47679073
they don't smack your hand with a fish, they smack it with a yardstick, a 3 foot long ruler. Shits just straight up abuse.

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>>47678807
I do love me some Sanguinius

>>47679163
assuming the rulebook were indexed, had a table of contents or its page numbers were listed.

>>47679146
i typed that twice god damn i'm a fucking dork

but I'm glad you got something out of it

>>47679115
old superstition "might makes right, left makes slight". people say bless you when you sneeze because it was believed your soul would leak out if you didn't get blessed, it was also used to spread religion when the church was starting up.

i suppose there's also how it's harder to be left handed since society is 90% right so forcing kids to be right handed or ambidextrous would be helpful

>>47679098
Dunno. It's from an episode of American Dad, I remember that, but in real life, I believe there was multiple reasons for the forced hand change.

Firstly, suspicion of left handed people, be it cultural or religious, which made nuns change it, either for the child's sake or for their own twisted belief.

Secondly, many teachers (not just nuns) were of the belief that left handedness was a disadvantage in a world of primrarly right handed people, it certainly was the case in the 20's on wards, where pens were ink based and would be smudged by a left handed person, even in the 90's onwards, a hot day as a left handed person would make the quick dry ink smudge as well.

So, for the fish? Probably for amusement or perhaps a personal experience the writers had. But the persecution did happen, but not everywhere.

>>47679024
>>47678876
>All this effort put into guiding people to the right warband/legion
>can't even simulate half of them on the TT

>>47678633
How are you taking 3 HQs?

So i'm building my first army and ill probably be playing a 750 point casual game against at least 1 necron player,1 space marine or CSM player, and possibly one or two other unknown players. That's about all the info i have for what i'm up against and i don't know what type of game we'll be playing but let me know what you think of this list/how to finish it.

>flyrant - TL devourer, lashwhip and bone sword, adrenal glands, regen, wings
>warrior x3 - rending claws, lash and sword x2, devourer, venom cannon, deathspitter, adrenal glands x3,
>gargoyles x30 - stock

That's 625 points and all the models i currently have. What should i invest in to finish this and should i not use as many gargoyles and instead use gaunts/genestealers? I know i need one more unit of troops but i also want some malanthropes/venomthropes, heavy support, and possibly some harpies/crones. Not all in this list obviously, but eventually.

So, what should i invest in/how retarded is this list?

Any and all help/input appreciated.

>>47679245
It's just a list of everything I have.

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>>47679110
It's cool anon, I never took it as an attack anyway.

>>47679114
Yeah, there is another edit of the picture, less detailed, but neat enough.

>>47679181
As I thought, just a bit of 'humour' American Dad decided to do with it.

>>47679108
> Scions lists are quite adaptable and can shit firepower on everything
I will have you know that scions are complete shit that pay too much for pointless gear. They also suffer quite heavily from being a whole army of MSU deep strikers, and as such are incredibly vulnerable to reserve fuckery.

There used to be a Scions player at my FLGS, up until I stomped him so hard with my marines that he quit. They will always come on the board piecemeal, and struggle to deal with MEQ thanks to the wonders of Strength 3.

Scions are a trap. If you really want deep striking melta-spam, the best and infinitely cheaper option would be to take Inquisition allies with Arvus Lighter transports.

>>47679267
Have you built the warriors already? You're probably spending too many points on them. Pick one job you want them to do, and outfit them to do that.

You'll need some gaunts to get a 2nd troops choice anyway.

>>47679108
Between Scions and Dreamforge stormtroopers, i can field 75 dudes, and i've found after 1500, theres too many things that can do serious damage to them, either through heavy weaponry or weight of fire. They're amazing fun to run in the Ground Assault list, with allied Inquisitor and retinue, and aren't half bad with a volleygun command squad. We often run 2v2 games with 1000 points each, and i find thats a great points level to run them at.

>>47678722
1288 isn't an even number

Back to school you go

>>47679228
The FB page aren't the guys who make the rules, anon. They're just the PR guys.

and they're doing a pleasantly surprisingly good job at it

>>47679228
Let's not start up that Black Crusade again. We all know it only ends in anger and frustration.

About half the stuff I want to play in 40k doesn't have rules. Dark Mechanicus, Sslyth Mercs, ect.

Lot of interesting/good stuff just doesn't get a chance to exist on the table sadly unless you homebrew or bend over backwards to proxy something up.

>>47678961
>10 man squad
Absolutely
>Terminator Lord that was shoveled in Execution Force, TLords Cadre, and now this
I guess I can't complain
>Helbrute eating up a lot of the value of the box
They're shoving this kit in every new thing CSM it seems.

I can't complain about the SC:CSM since there's still a $33 savings for three units of stuff that will get fielded, but it just feels like we got so much more in most other SC boxes, especially Astra Militarum and Nurgle Daemons.

>>47679320
bullshit.

a full squad of scions kills 4 marines at 12" or less.

you know how many a full tac squad of bolters kills?

TWO. It kills two marines.

>>47679345
That's my opinion too. It could be much better, but it could be way worse. Overall, it's a solid introductory box for people wanting to play CSM.

Besides, it could be;

START COLLECTING!: Crimson Slaughter

>Kranon the Relentless
>4 Chaos Chosen
>10 Possessed

>>47679326
my findings are much the same at yours, they don't scale up well outside of 1000 points on their own, but the catalyst comes from then allying other lists. The synergy the scion codex posseses with the other imperial lists is quite good, and I often use them as a 'third ally' for my armored battlegroup.

deepstriking obsec carapace armored BS 4 models with meltaguns work quite well in a tank heavy list

>>47679228
Not yet, anyway. Besides, if I made an army of Emperor's Shadows, I wouldn't be able to simulate them on TT. :<

>>47679380
> Assuming tac marines aren't in cover
> Which reduces that to 2 dead marines
> Assuming tac marines use the trap-option of rapid fire bolters

Nigger, it's called Frag Grenade, Bolt Pistols, and Charge.

>>47679320
They suffer more at higher points levels, but you don't NEED to deploy in pieces. A line of twin linked or rending volley guns can be pretty good. Inquisition psybolt chimeras and razorbacks give shooty shield walls. Valkyries are good.

>>47679245
My hope was suggestions like "Oh well that Captain from the Dark Vengeance kit with the combi-plasma kinda sucks, don't use it" or "For a 500 point game use the librarian, a tactical, and the dreadnought and when you get a bit more familiar with the rules try a 750 using ____"
Unfortunately my questions kind of have been split among 3 different threads so I don't know what I should ask again (since what if someone from the old thread is in this thread and is like "I already answered that, jackass") as to.. get whoever wants to help on the same page or.. what. I am, as you can see, painfully new to the hobby. I bought a BA Battleforce and split the Dark Vengeance kit. Everything plasma is snap fit so changing them will be rather difficult since the only tools I currently have are... a set of brushes (acquired all of 2 hours ago), a flush cutter (that I didn't get until I got my battleforce, used a shitty barely sharp knife for the DV kit), and some krazy glue from the local pharmacy.

>>47679338
>ect

I assume this is a mistake, but if not, I shall correct you. It's 'etc'. Which is short for Et Cetera.

I see this mistake a lot on 4chan, enough to make me think people don't realise they're doing it. Not trying to be an asshat (thou I'm failing at that) just pointing out...

>>47679345
Helbrutes are such utter shit.

Hey kids! Want a dreadnaut that has a 2 in 3 chance of being totally fucking worthless if it takes so much as a glance?

And it only costs exactly the same amount as a regular dreadnaut!

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>>47679345
My money is they did it to be the CSM mirror of the Space Marine box.

>>47679402
Have fun getting over watched by 8 volley gun shots, or 16 twin linked from a command squad.

>>47679402
Nigga you stupid. Unless the guys are standing in some kind of bonfire-formation, you use krak grenade since thats better chance of killing.

>>47679417
It's a mistake. My fingers and brain don't always talk to each other properly.

Which is why I keep dropping stuff lately.

>>47679402
yeah, good luck charging out of difficult terrain and making it to 8" for that frag nade

>>47679387
You shut your fucking mouth God damn I am so sick of Khorne.

No love for Undivided nowadays.

Speaking of, anyone else afraid there will be no 7e Daemons and CSM Codices? What if they continue taking a few models from each and slapping them in a Codex for the other three gods?
>Tzeentch Daemonkin
>Nurgle Daemonkin
>Slaaneshi Daemonkin

Hell, I wouldn't even be mad. I'd be upset, but at least they'd pull their head out of Khorne's fat red ass

>>47679410
Put your big boy pants on, make some decisions about what to take and what to drop, and write a 500/750/whatever point list yourself. We will then tell you to throw everything away and give you a netlist to copy, ignore that (think of it as a hazing ritual) and ask again, and we will probably give you some useful feedback.

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Anyone else think there is potential for an interesting rag-tag bunch of pissed off Traitor Marines in this?

>Failures and cripples invariably lose the fickle attention of their mortal and immortal masters alike, and without the blessings of the Powers of the Warp to mend their limbs or knit their broken bodies together with mutations, the Oath-Broken are forced to fashion their own crude replacements: blades sutured to stumps, xenos appendages crudely grafted into empty sockets and ragged armour patched with whatever material the Eye of Terror deems to provide.

>xenos appendages crudely grafted into empty sockets

Why is this not more of a thing?

>>47679435
> Being scared of overwatch against S3 guns
> Being scared of overwatch against a weakened squad that's down 4 guys.
> Not realizing your orders don't apply on the enemy turn
Wow.

>>47679438
It's called deep strike. Frag grenade hits the entire squad, and kills 2 guys. Bolt pistols kill a third. Only 2 remain for overwatch, which kills nobody. Charge attacks kill the remainder.

Rinse and repeat every turn.

>>47679321
unfortunately i have built them already, same with my tyrant which i'm really kicking myself for. I'm debating on just creating a whole new style of army for a 750 point game and then building up my flying army for a bigger point game.

I really like the idea of running a death leaper/lictor/mawloc army but it seems hard to pull off at such a low point game.

This is what i was thinking for an alternative army but i'd have to buy it all as i only have gargoyles and the start collecting kit.

754 Pts Tyranids
HQ
Deathleaper (130 Pts) Flesh Hooks, Rending Claws, Scything Talons, ,
Troops
Tyranid Warrior Brood (110 Pts)
- Tyranid Warrior (3): Scything Talons(3), Deathspitter(2), Venom Cannon, ,
Genestealer Brood (84 Pts)
- Genestealer (6): Rending Claws, ,
Fast Attack
Elites
Lictor Brood (150 Pts)
- Lictor Brood (3): Flesh Hooks, Rending Claws, Scything Talons, ,
Heavy Support
Mawloc (140 Pts) ,
Mawloc (140 Pts) ,

>>47679432
Fair enough except for
>>47679418 what this guy said

Plus I'm pretty sure vanilla Dreads don't retail at $54

>>47679456
>God damn I am so sick of Khorne.

Everybody but Khornefags are sick of Khorne.

I just want Sonic Weapons to be accessible to any unit with a Mark of Slaanesh, with Sonic Blasters in place of Combi-Bolters and Blastmasters in place of Autocannons/Reaper Autocannons. That's all I need to be happy.

>>47679486
Oh I'm not arguing that the Chaos Dread/Helbrute is GOOD (outside of a couple of their formations and the KDK codex at least), but I think that's why it's there: because the loyalists got a box with legs in their box, so the CSM need a spikey box with legs in theirs.

>>47679345
Chaos Lord is one of CSM only Plastic HQs
Chaos Space Marines kinda make sense as troops... Would've been sad if the Start Collecting CSM had cultists.

A little disappointed that the Helbrute made it. Maulerfiend could've fit.

But GW was probably mirroring Start Collecting SM

>>47679449
I know that feel anon.

>>47679456
My guess is they're experiments.

>>47679131
Also how should i kit them? I've never played 40k but i'm trying to get a list together so i can make some friends.

Any advise for my Nurgle CSM army?

So I know Chaos Space Marines aren't in the best spot but I think they would be a really cool army. I want to make everything look Nurgley with ooze and a green scheme.

How overdone is that?
What are some good Nurgle Units?
Could I build them up to 1500 before bringing in daemons? Just a small Nurgle Daemon detachment with some of those Drones and Nurglings would be cool

So far it looks like bikes and obliterators are popular which is fine because those obs look cool and the bikes could probably be made pretty Grimey.

How about troops though?
Is the start collecting have anything worth my while?

>>47679399
I find they lack synergy with my Grey Knights, but thats more too many eggs in one deepstriking basket more than anything else. That said, i allied three five-man teams of them with my nids once and they absolutely rekt a devsquad and two razorbacks as soon as they dropped inbefore being rekt in turn by two HB razorbacks, stupid free transport bullshit

>>47679418
>Helbrutes are such utter shit.

Utter shit? Not really.

It's an average unit in an extremely competitive slot, which means that every time you could take a Helbrute you're almost always better taking a different Elite like Chosen, Suicide Terminators, or Cult Troops. On the table itself, they're pretty okay.

>>47679477
>implying I'm not running my chevron formation

Good luck hitting everything with that grenade.

>>47679513
I want Marks on Vehicles. I want said Marks to unlock special Wargear options. I want the Teeth of Khorne to return. I want Traitor Tactics (AKA Legion rules for CSM). I want a LOT of things really.

But then again I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like that. I mean I rewrote the Sisters codex and mailed it to GW with detailed notes back when the 6th ed one dropped because I spend a lot of time thinking about how to balance these books and make them more interesting.

>>47679548
>Suicide Terminators
I still want CSM Assault Termis to be good. I mean I know they don't have the SS/TH combo, but dual Lighting Claws still isn't bad.

It's just not all that good either.

>>47679513
You get your wish anon! But they're $75 (American) upgrade packs, from Forge World only! Their rules are Forge World only and you must get permission from the other player to use them!

They also suck.

>>47679550
> using the Chevron formation against marines
Yea, the scions player tried that too. Then he lost all of his transports to a deredeo and devastators that eats them like fucking candy.

Have fun being stranded with 18" guns and T3, with only a pitiful 4+ to 'protect' you.

Also, what the fuck do you do when people bring fortifications? I usually run my lascanon devys in a Bastion, where they can shoot things unmolested from their 4HP AV14 with rerolls to hit.

>>47679476
Because you've yet to make it a thing

>>47679565
I still want Terminators, of any stripe, to be good.

Dark Angels ones, I don't know how good they are, but Space Wolves have, in effect, +1A by default... Blood Angels get +1S, but that isn't great and the formation +1I is only useful when you don't take PF or TH/SS.

I long for Death Company Terminators though. If they're as awesome as the Blood Angels Assault Terminator kit, then I'll cream myself.

>>47679548
have you ever heard the saying "strictly worse"?

>>47679594
And now I'm trying to figure out if I could mount CSM torsos on Ravener snake bodies.

>>47679609
>I still want Terminators, of any stripe, to be good.
Same honestly. I feel that way about a lot of things.

>>47679418
>2 in 3 chance of being totally fucking worthless
IT HASN'T BEEN THAT WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME

it's a 1 in 3 shot of being forced to do something, and even then it's only a hindrance if your dreadnought is in charge range of an enemy target

>>47679565
>Dual Lightning Claw Chaos Terminators
have fun paying an extra 3ppm for no good reason.

>>47679477
5 scions deep strike into rapid fire range of your 5 marines. Generally I wouldn't strike lasguns on anything, since the volley guns don't salvo. But with your hypothetical example, some quick math hammer tells us that each scion has roughly 1/3 chance to kill a marine, with two shots each that's 2/3. Statistically your 5 marines are gonna get shot the fuck up before they even get a turn. Overwatch is going to be a tougher story, but I think the scions still have a fair chance.

Though personally if I saw bolt pistols I'd be chilling at 24" with the volley guns.

>>47679432
That box is actually good. Equip the squad with Combi-grav, Gravcannon and pod and swap the captain into kataphraktii-captain and give him Combi-grav.

Now you have squad that can deepstrike somewhere and kill a riptide before it Intercepts you.

Haven't played 40k in a couple of years.

How are Eldar and Dark Eldar doing these days?

>>47679666
At least MoK makes them funny with a KDK army. 7 attacks with AP3 and Shred? I'd enjoy use that on a mob of GEQ.

>>47679681
Never said that box was bad. And also grav just makes me sigh heavilly. I don't hate it, but after spending half a decade playing Sisters I instinctively want melta on my guys more.

What's the ideal loadout for a Blood Angels Captain going up against Nurgle CSM/CD?
What's best for the Death Company squad I just ordered going against the same thing?

>>47679696
The former is cheese and the other is horrid.

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>>47679552
>I want Traitor Tactics (AKA Legion rules for CSM)

You're in luck, I've been working on these for a while.

It's not all that you want, but it's definitely better than we have now.

>>47679456
you guys get so silly, they're not gonna do away with the csm book or daemons. if anything they'll kill or forget about daemonkind.

daemonkind might have been a call back to 3.5 but it didn't amount to much. oh you took the best khorne units from both books and made them better? alright then

>>47679513
khorne sells. 80s callbacks, not so much. also the sonic weapons aren't in plastic so we might be an update when they remember they still have things in finecast

>>47679544
they must've been the most well equipped and well trained genestealer cult of all time, bless their souls

Interesting about the GK though, I legitimately didn't consider it (but I'm a stuck-in-my-ways Guard player, I rarely deepstrike stuff)

I've never really had the confidence in deep strike or outflank to make mass use of it in a game, I much prefer scout moving or infiltrating if I want to get weird with my deployment

>>47679696
>Eldar
Rape tier good

>Dark Eldar
Getting raped tier bad.

>>47679719
None of the Cult options are in plastic. They and the core CSM models all need to be updated to fit in with the newer stuff.

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>>47679677
> "If I saw bolt pistols, I'd be chilling at 24" with the volley guns".
Have you even played 40k?.. Every space marine in the entire game, from the lowest of scout marines, to captains, has a bolt pistol. Tacticals, Scouts, Devastators, Assaults, even Sternguard vets. They all have a bolt pistol.

So you're saying you would never deep strike into rapid-fire range for fear of being charged? That's impressive.

>>47679228
Just play superior 30k.

>>47679400
Yes you would, they're IH successors.

>>47679726
I don't see whats so bad about Dark Eldar. They get plenty of short range, high strength, low ap weaponry, damn near all their attacks have poison, and they are pretty cheap for what they do.

--- Tzeentch Daemons - 1000pts ---
-- ObjSec --
>HQ
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML3, Paradox - 145
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML2, GoTN - 125

>Troops
10x Pink Horrors - 90
10x Pink Horrors - 90
10x Pink Horrors - 90

>Elite
6x Flamers - 138

>Fast Attack
6x Screamers - 150

>Heavy Support
Soul Grinder: DoT, PB - 170
--998/1000pts

OR

--- Tzeentch Daemons - 1000pts ---
-- ObjSec --
>HQ
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML3, Paradox - 145
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML2, GoTN - 125

>Troops
12x Pink Horrors: Icon - 118
12x Pink Horrors - 108
12x Pink Horrors - 108

>Fast Attack
9x Screamers - 225

>Heavy Support
Soul Grinder: DoT, PB - 170
--999/1000pts

>>47679410
Two captains is baggage. One is already tenuous but gets a pass for being fluffy and a decent melee commander. Swap them between different games if you feel like giving them some air, or take the modular captain and try dolling him up into another commander, like a chaplain or a sanguinary priest.

You should also think about relics to hand out to your commanders. Veritas Vitae and Valor's edge are worth mentioning and are available to you based on your models (e.g. declare the power sword as a valor's edge). This gives you options to play with.

I wrote a 500pt list for you way back when you first bought the box, but let's try a 750pt one that lets you use both useful and fun looking shit.

HQ

>Captain, 140pts
Artificier armour, hand flamer, Valor's edge
>Librarian, 90 points
Mastery 2

Troops

Tac squad x10, 165pts
Flamer, heavy flamer, hand flamer
>Tac Squad x5, 85pts
Plasma cannon

Elites

>Furioso, 130pts
Fists, Frag cannon
>Death company, 140pts
Power weapon, power fist.

750pts on the nose. Fun list that uses moderately tough infantry with a melee bite to close the gap, might be fun against demons. Plasma cannon provides a simple backfield to fuck packed infantry. The dreadnought draws fire. Add in Terminators when you reach 1000pts for an anchor.

Attach Librarian and Captain to the Death company and actively crash into the enemy commander. Shit should be cash.

>>47679548
They kind of are. 100 points base, for two attacks base, and, no matter how you equip them, there's a decent chance it's going to become worthless at the first glance. You can't put them in melee, because if they get hit with a krak grenade, they might immobilize themselves and you'll lose them next turn (plus you don't have a good way to get them there anyways), while the lack of decent ranged options means they kind of suck there too.

>>47679819
>ObjSec
Is that what we're calling the CAD nowadays? Who cares what the detachment's called or what sort of military unit represents, it's the tabletop bonus that matters...

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C:SM FAQ Draft is live. 12 pages.

you're stuck with a tempestor on a scion squad, so you might as well take a full squad. 18 S3 AP3 shots are nothing to sneeze at.

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>>47679131
>>47679536
please help

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>>47679866

>>47679761
Wait really? It's not even an option, they just get it? Huh.

I've never had issues with tactical squads as scions, regardless. The one time they got charged, it was actually a lone SoB sergeant that managed to sweep all three of them, which was pretty funny.

>>47679854
I do it so i remember the bonus
:^)

>>47679800
die to ignore cover, lacking grenades on some units, jinking makes the riders snap fire

so they do pretty well against low tier or nids but struggle against the heavy hitters and tau counter them hard

>>47678871
> bad reading comprehension

The dude's point was that his shitty anime WASN'T mature, but some shitegob script-writer's attempt at making jap cartoons more mature by just filling it out with juvenile uses of foul language. Slaanesh is similarly a 14-year-old garage nerd's idea of adult maturity, so S/he manifests as edginess via sex, drugs, and rock & roll.

>>47679886
>apothecaries can get grav guns now

heavybreathing.jpg

>>47679887
That's probably because most marines players are too hesitant to charge things, not realizing that marines are even more survivable in melee than they are in shooting.

When I played games against Scions, I actually fired bolt pistols/grenades and charged more often than I fired the actual bolters. Scions don't get Ap3 in melee, and deep strike makes them -extremely- vulnerable to frag grenades and plasma cannons. Even better for me since my personal meta includes Plasma Cannon/Gun on every squad.

>>47679886
>Daemon Engines can't take invuln saves against grav guns

I want off this ride.

dis iz preddy gud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=req-oDf2ZRc

40k theme music

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IRON HANDS.

IRON HANDS.

IRON HANDS.

Glory to the Machine God!

>>47679961
no one tell the grey knights

>>47679839
>You can't put them in melee, because if they get hit with a krak grenade, they might immobilize themselves and you'll lose them next turn

To be fair, this drawback has been heavily toned down now that only one model in the unit can hit with a grenade in Assault. No longer can you spam 10+ Krak grenades in a single assault phase.

>>47679333
It is even, it's not round if that's what you mean.

>>47679267
>>47679479
Any more input would be greatly appreciated.

Connection went tits up and GW took the pages down. Give me a minute to get them on my phone and start again.

>>47679980
somebody should really clarify that chapter tactics applies to all models in a detachment. I know that its written several times under the individual descriptions, but because some idiot wrote "chapter tactics" on all the damn infantry models some people get confused.

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Have you worked towards the greater good today, imperials?

>>47680048
>nection went tits up and GW took the
thanks, was wondering what the fuck just happenend

>>47680062
painting a seeker chariot, herald on seeker and did some sketching. so just work for slaanesh

>>47679432
Main difference being, IMO, that loyalists had a sweet new tactical squad box recently.

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>>47680048

>>47679942
so you're just going to camp you're 10 man tac squad behind cover and shoot with your boat anchor and plasma rifles?

great way to spend 170 points, 8 peices of bubble wrap around 2 plasma weapons with different ranges

>>47680062
Yeah, I killed enough commie faggot aliens to fill a landfill.

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>>47680093

>>47680088
you mean you don't like your 2003 CSM squad or your 1999 berserkers?

honestly if you want to play CSM just buy loyalist or space wolf kits and chaos them up a bit. They will look tons better than that shit old kit

>Really love 40k's story and concept
>Always wanted to get figures and play it
>Literally no one I have ever met has heard of 40k beyond "Oh hey it's like Starcraft."
Why is my area so lame, it has no fighting game groups either.

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>>47680126

>>47679961
they should really spend more than 5 seconds on each question.

I'm sure somebody is going to ask, specificly, do smoke launchers/ daemon engines get cover/invul saves and they will say, "Of course!"

>>47680062
Not yet, but I have more mould lines to scrape and file off. Exciting innit? Fucking end my life, Aun.

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>>47680142

cheap (in cash value), overpowered and good looking

what's it's name?

Is there an ork FAQ?

>>47680126
Where are these faqs at?

>>47680152
just remember; there are always moldlines

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>>47680161

>>47680166
Not yet.

>>47680171
GW's 40k Facebook page. Though they pulled the SM one shortly after I saved it all.

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>>47680195
Looks like I missed page 12 when it was up. Sorry folks.

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>>47680216
And never mind, the FAQ is back up so I now have page 12 as well.

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>>47680195
>salamanders don't get their feel no pain against heldrakes

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>>47680241

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>>47680241
Missed page 8.

For the record I am never doing this by potato again.

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>>47680268

>>47680248
as if it was ever truly in question

the good thing about these FAQs is it might cut down on some of the phenomenally stupid questions we see in the threads

>>47680327
but they still get TL Flamestorm cannons thou rite?

>TFW asked a bit late in the old thread
Anyone got a cheap/quick easy way to put together Tomb Blades? When I try to do the job I feel like I'm all thumbs. Thanks

>>47679942

Can't shoot grav guns and abuse shooting-based psychic buffs in melee.

>>47679932
>>47679886

The apothecary getting regular command squad upgrades is not only OP, it's also nonsensical as fuck and goes completely against how the rules work.

Just another example of why these FAQs are retarded. It's like saying you can buy non-terminator shit after upgrading your guy to a terminator.

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>>47680180
Is that you saying "Good luck but don't sweat it, just do what you can and move on to the nicer parts of the hobby"? Or an attempt at making me paranoid?

Is there a youtube channel that actually does unit reviews? not just some unboxing and personal opinions saying "huh I think this is pretty cool that's why I bought it", and instead more real battle testimonies like I've used this in X situations and it works alright and this ones suck most of the time and don't do anything etc.

>>47680356
yeah, right.

i hope this other guy enjoys babysitting his 15 point plasma cannon boat anchor with 8 peices of bubble rap and a 24" rapid fire plasma gun behind cover for 170 points.

>>47680376
it was pretty clear that they did not understand that the question applied specifically to command squads, and though we were referring to apothecaries in general, even though there was only one listed in the entire codex.

I don't think these guys know what they are talking about and have difficulty wording their mechanics precisely enough.

>>47680396
better double check just in case

or don't, it probably won't be that visible after you paint it

Its almost as if they put their marketing/creative team in charge of writing the rules...

But they wouldn't rely on people with only passing interest in the game and a casual knowledge of the hobby to write the FAQ's, would they?

Naaaaawww

>>47680396
don't sweat the small details. i still leave some moldlines on from time to time. doesn't help that some are in impossible to reach spots

also you'll start to notice mold lines on things like pipes

>>47680445
Well, I'm looking over the whole bit but after I finished them all I will give them a quick look over before I start converting things. Just wish it wasn't so fucking boring and tedious y'know? It really puts a massive bottleneck on fun, but anyway. Quality demands time and effort. The result will be great in the end and I don't want to get there and kick myself in the ass for taking shortcuts.

>>47680126
I don't know if those Drop Pod responses could have been less helpful. I'm assuming this means Space Marine players basically get to pick whether they want to make a wall or a giant area of impassible terrain whenever they deploy their pods now.

I mean, why spend money on a writer or game designer, when you can just give a fan a "free internship" at the company and have them work for peanuts?

Its not like a wargame actually "needs rules" or anything...

>>47680471
Yeah I have and I know. Thanks man. The most annoying mouldlines right now for me are the ones between the Fire Warrior belt and chestplate (that teeny tiny crevasse) and the muzzle of the Pulse Rifles.

>>47680327
Nigga it WAS a valid question, and that's why it got answered in this FAQ.

That's why things like FAQ's are important, as they can settle unforseen disputes that the writers might not realize at the time of writing.

>>47680268
>If you are reasonable about this, your opponent is unlikely to complain.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. The naivety is incredible.

>>47680491
>>47680126

Fucking stupid. You should not get to block LoS just because you were a dumb faggot and glued your pod shut. If that's the case, then fuck you, you have to take a test to disembark your solid wall drop pod and you also can't shoot your weapons out of it.

>>47680491
>>47680527
Maybe, just maybe, some people prefer the look of them with the doors closed?

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How long exactly do you think they actually spent writing these? Like holy fuck, this has been going on for weeks and their response is "figure it out yourselves."

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>>47680126
That last answer is literally "read the rulebook you dumb fucks".

>>47680554
You could easily give a far more specific answer to this question.

>The gun is mounted on a 45 degree swivel mount and has a 90 degree angle of fire from its forward facing to reflect the land speeders maneuverability.

>no formations for crusader squads

BT players may as well give in and run white scars tactics now

>>47680126
Damn, Drop Pods are now even MORE broken.

>>47680527
I don't think they actually understood the question.

Any word on when we'll get the CSM FAQ?

I don't expect anything major from it since the book lacks any really unique rules and has no formations to make people ask questions but they still might decide to nerf the fuck out of them somehow.

>>47680598
they can still run tac squads.

>>47680552

That's fine, but they shouldn't block LoS just because you prefer the way they look. What if I prefer everything prone? Should my Imperial Knight get to hide behind a fence because I made my entire army crawling?

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I was reading in 1d4chan some Black Templar awesomeness, so I decided to go check the offcicial website to see how theyr minis are

>THERE ISN'T FUCKING ANYTHING (but for da Emprah's paladin, a conversion kit and some dudes)

Why?? How this can be??
They are one of the most representative Space Marines, the literal crusaders on a plot where super armored knights protect humanity, why GW wants them to dissapear?

>>47680518

It wasn't a valid question. The asker even knew the answer as shown by his putting in the parenthesis. If the Baleflamer were a typical flamer weapon, it'd be listed as such. GW had plenty of time to put it in the 7E BRB or KDK rules. Yet they didn't. The "it would've been put in the flamer section if codex CSM were newer" doesn't even work anymore.

>>47680645
>waah waah waah

>>47680629
We're going to lose Kranon for good. I'm not really sure what else they could possibly nerf. Maybe some weird restriction on placing Marked units with Khorne Daemons from KDK and/or restrictions on putting Psykers in KDK units?

>>47680668
how is a baleflamer any different than a flamestorm cannon?

>>47680126

The drop pod door change is retardedly good.

Since drop pod doors count as part of the model, you now get to disembark that much further from the petal tips. IIRC a drop pod is almost 6" long. That's double disembark length.

>>47680690
Did you not read the FAQ response? Baleflamer isn't just burning promethium.

>>47680690

Flamestorm cannons don't melt your soul.

>how is weapon X with the same stats as weapon Y but slightly different, different from weapon Y

I dunno you tell me. Heldrakes don't come with Flamestorm Cannons for a reason.

>>47680093

Did they get rid of the 'roll of 1 is always a failure' rule?

>>47680668
and how does the "soul blaze" rule differentiate itself from any weapon that has ongoing damage? You could say a flamestorm cannon has "soul blaze" and mechanically it'd be exactly the same fluffwise

>>47680649
Because they are terrible at deciding which chapters should get a codex. Seriously, the BA and the DA are (or were, before they received tons of snowflakes) basically codex chapters with a few quirks and could be rolled in the main Space Marine codex as an alternate list.

>videos making it look easy as shit to scrape moldlines off
Well.. how hard can it be
>Captain's arm falls off while trying to get a mold bit off
I think drinking a red bull before doing this was a poor decision... too twitchy. Was hoping the local Michael's would have some shit for me, other than an x-acto knife though it had nothing. Not sure what hobby stores to look into, googled it and found vape shops and remote planes.

>>47680093
Can someone photograph the Blessing of the Omnissiah special rule from the current SM Codex for me?

In the German translation the line of getting +1 for each Servitor with a servo-arm is missing.

>>47680707
that is almost certainly not what they intended.

that question was worded to intentionally skirt that exact interpretation of the rules.

>>47680126
With the first one does that mean if White Scars Librarians join a Ravenwing Unit they lose their Skilled Rider?

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>>47680649
they're not that special and you guys had your time to shine

basically, i think the FAQ guys are just annoyed at the kinds of questions they have to deal with all day and answer them in the worse possible way to piss off the guys who pester them.

>>47680140
I lucked out and have a friend that got in to the hobby with me but other than him I doubt I'll have anyone else to play with until I move to Orlando.

>>47680161
It'd be D3+2(1 for charging and then +1 for rage), its nice to have 9 Attacks Helbrecht back.

>>47679886
So now IC with infiltrate CAN infiltrate when they are attached to a unit that doesnt have it, cool stuff.

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>>47680741

>gluing a model together before getting rid of mouldlines

>>47680741
I remove the mold lines with the dull edge of the x-acto knife BEFORE I glue the model.

So if the Start Collecting: CSM box wasn't any new models or anything that's really gotten new rules in the Black Legion/CS supplements, why'd it not get released until now?

>>47680876
So they can have shit to release during the year, its filler content.

>>47680876

who cares

>>47680729

Except flamestorm cannons don't.

>>47680848
>>47680861
These are not exactly things you think of with your first kit. I was so excited to play that I glued them together quickly. Before I paint them I'll see what I can and can not take apart.

>>47679267
i did something similar in a 500 pt casual tournament and it worked flawlessly, only lost one round

>>47680437
Red Scorpions have non-HQ Apothecaries.

>>47680876
To be fair the Helbrute is apart of the Black Legion Warband, with the only other option being havocs, it's the only time i have found a use for him.

That said..

PLASTIC CHOSEN / HAVOC BOX FUCKING WHEN GW

>>47680795
>With the first one, does it mean what it says it means.
I'm really glad retards like you are clogging up the FAQ's with retarded questions that don't actually need cleared up.

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>>47680554
The question is, how have they not blown their brains out when they get FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS like so?

>>47680589
Somebody asked this, anon....

>>47681015
Model wishlist for next year's Chaos dex?

Havoc/Chosen Box
Plastic Cult Marines
New CSM box
Plastic HQs
Mutilators Squatted

>>47680725
It's not a rule AFAIK. That or they feel it doesn't apply here like it does armour saves.

I still don't think they knew people were referring specifically to command squads.

>>47680953
Here is my super casual friendly 500 pointer.

HQ

Cadre Fireblade

Troops

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Optiminized Stealth Cadre

Stealth Suit Team
2x Shas'ui with Burst Cannon
1x Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster


Stealth Suit Team
2x Shas'ui with Burst Cannon
1x Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster

XV95 Ghostkeel
Cyclic Ion Raker
Twin-Linked Fusion Blaster
2x MV5 Stealth Drones

>>47680287
>Clan Raukkan
What? Didn't this get replaced by Angels of Death?

>>47681048
Which is why 99% of these FAQs are pointless and only make things worse.

>>47681038
you know there is technically no real reason to take a scion platoon instead of a separate CAD, free's up an elite slot.

>>47681043
It's more likely they'll do havoc/chosen/CSM as one box. That way they can up the price for all the extra bits you get on the sprues, even though you'll always have bits left over whatever option you build.

>>47681058
No.

>>47680725
No. It's a different instance.

Since the servo arms don't lower the threshold of the roll, just add a flat ammount to what you rolled.

So for the FNP FAQ. It said that you cannot modify a roll to be a 1+. (IE; apothecary+CT+Gorgons chains+formation)

But the repair roll is always a 5+ to repair. No matter what. But if you roll a 1 and you have 4 servitors. Each Servitor adds a 1 to your roll. Making your roll into a 5.

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>>47680629
>Any word on when we'll get the CSM FAQ?

I suspect probably when they figure out what they actually want to DO with CSM. They may still be trying to figure out how they want our new codex we're getting one, and you're fucking retarded if you think the primary antagonist of the Imperium isn't getting a Codex to function, so they're holding off in case they accidentally make a snap judgement on an issue that the new Codex will take in the complete opposite direction.

Part of it is the way they phrase the questions

>Dad? Do you like dogs?
>Why, sure, honey!
>Mom! Dad said its okay if we keep it!

Reminder: post FAQ clarifying questions on the GW Facebook page so the drafts can get cleaned up further when they go back to the rules team.

Storm shields look cool as fuck desu lads

>>47680166
>>47680195
Guarantee it'll be nerfs. GW has time to rob Ork players of Green Tide, to make Killa Kanz unusable via unique debilitating special rules, but not enough to make a Decurion for them that's playable at less than 1850. It'll be near last, because they don't even give a shit, so they'll put it off until then.

>>47681084
So do Iron Hands formations from Angels of Death get to take extra Techmarines but not ones from Clan Raukkan?

>>47681110
The biggest nerfs have been aimed at builds like Smashfucker.

Who knows, maybe we'll see some stealth buffs for Orks. AKA buffs through other army's nerfs

>>47681144
how is "terminators can't take bikes" a nerf?

>>47681136
That's what it looks like, yeah.

>>47681043
>Havoc/Chosen Box
This i want more than anything
>Plastic Cult Marines
Honestly this is a bit of a dreamer, but the rumours always suggest plastic supposed 2 wound plague marines
>New CSM box
I could honestly live without, i'm not buying any more CSM ever and most CSM players won't
>Plastic HQs
Unlikely. Nothing wrong with the warpsmith/apostle as resin models. I'd rather have them remake something shitty like Fabius or even Abbadon himself
>Mutilators Squatted
I can only dream so far.

Whilst we're dreaming might as well add the legendary spoken of in whispers never to see the light of day Tzeentch daemonkin to the list

>>47680668
>The asker even knew the answer as shown by his putting in the parenthesis.

Hilariously, I actually know and play the guy who asked that question. He (a Slaaneshi CSM player) always ran it that Salamanders (which I main) got their saves against it, under the basis of "If it looks like a Flamer, it acts like a Flamer, and it's called a Flamer, it's a fucking Flamer." He also pointed out that the Flamer section of the BRB didn't exist when the Codex came out, so it may have been a legitimate oversight.

We have had settle multiple arguments of other people in the shop about this issue, and both sides had merit (RAW v. Logic) so yeah, it was a perfectly valid question to ask that literally all of us weren't sure about.

His Fire Raptors can all go fucking die though, jesus christ I can't count how many times that thing has raped units I thought were safely behind cover

>>47681155
One relic per HQ is a nerf for a lot of the power builds.

>>47681155
The other thing is, didn't that specific smashfucker build only appear with the cataphractii termi captain quite recently? It not like it's something people have been able to do for years, and the other smashfucker build hasn't been affected.

>>47681051
this is actually exactly what i lost to

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>>47678850
+++ Sistas 500 (483pts) +++

+ No Force Org Slot (25pts) +

Ministorum Priest (25pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

+ HQ (80pts) +

Canoness (80pts) [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Rosarius (15pts)]

+ Troops (378pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (134pts) [4x Battle Sister (48pts), Battle Sister with Flamer (17pts), Battle Sister with Flamer (17pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Sister Superior (12pts) [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (144pts) [4x Battle Sister (48pts), Battle Sister with Meltagun (22pts), Battle Sister with Meltagun (22pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Sister Superior (12pts) [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (100pts) [4x Battle Sister (48pts), Sororitas Rhino (40pts)]
Sister Superior (12pts) [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Basically same deal but for lower points.

>>47681182
fuckin battlescibe is listing my black templars chapter tactics as iron hands and won't display generic space marine relics.

>>47681070
Correct, Scions are also in AM codex ANYWAY.

It's still the stupid

>I want to do thing which one of the most basic rules of 40k says is not allowed, can I do it?
>No.

>>47681220
Try a pen and some paper, kiddo.

>>47681204
This is a less cheesey one, but would struggle against a AV14, even with the Missile launchers.

HQ
Commander
2x Burst Cannons
Command and Control Node
Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite
Neuroweb System Jammer
Stimulant Injector
1x MV4 Shield Drone

Troops

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

>>47681182
This is WRONG. STOP SAYING THIS. GW SAID IT'S ONE RELIC WEAPON. WEAPON. YOU CANNOT TAKE BURNING BLADE + PRIMARCH'S WRATH, BUT YOU CAN TAKE BURNING BLADE + GORGONS CHAIN. YOU CAN ALSO TAKE SHIT LIKE VALOUR'S EDGE, VITAS VITAE AND ANGELIC VISAGE.

Etc.

>>47681231
With how convoluted the game is to build armies with at times that really is the better option.

>>47681216
is Celestine to be avoided these days?

>>47681216
>doesn't take x3 Exorcists

You could probably take x2 and be Battleforge.

>>47681252
They said one you can only have relic per model in the Marine FAQ. Not one relic per source book on a single model.

>release a FAQ to clear up misunderstandings from the already printed codex
>confuse people even more with the answers and tell people to refer to the original rules to clear up misunderstandings

this guys are really something

So where do I go to look up some starting BA army lists? I've come to the realization asking in these threads tends to piss people off and since I only have the Battleforce and snap-fit Dark Angels from the Dark Vengeance kit my options are pretty limited.

>>47681258
once I get into a second codex or above 2000pts its all pen and paper.

>>47680707
>Since drop pod doors count as part of the model, you now get to disembark that much further from the petal tips

I play BA with 3 drop pods, and Id never consider doing this. You're a gigantic dicksucking faggot for even thinking this is acceptable.

>>47681260
Yes. She's basically a better Sanguinour, but still to be avoided because her Act of Faith is one use only.

>>47681260
No idea, but since I don't have Seraphins didn't bother taking her.

>>47681272
It said unless otherwise stated.

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>>47681272
One chapter relic, not one chapter relic weapon.

Good buy Sheild Eternal+Burning Blade+Gorgon's Chain.

>>47681304
Can you not read? I said the FAQ we just got today said one relic per model for Space Marines.

See: >>47681312

>>47681044

It's a rule but only for "saving throws" and FnP says it's not a save.

>>47681288
>>47681285
fug, I just started collecting them and have her 2 regular seraphim, 2 hand flamer seraphim, a canoness and the sisters 10 unit box thing.

>>47681275
It's your fucking lack of effort that pisses people off. You've just posted "these are all my models, make a list for me" like six or seven times. Are you literally incapable of selecting some of your models & leaving out others to make a list at a regularly-played points value?

>>47681176

The flamer section and KDK exist NOW and it's STILL not a flamer, so why are you still using that argument?

If I name a unit "Game Ender" and has stats that obliterate everything, that doesn't mean it ends the game when it gets deployed. I still have to actually attack with it.

>>47681327
He's being a rules lawyering faggot.
>Relic
>Relic Weapon

>they're different hurrrdurr im a waac pissant

>>47681279

Blame the retarded new FAQs.

>>47681358
He's also being an illiterate cuntsack who can't bother to read what is being said or looking at what it's referring to it seems.

>>47681275
If you don't understand the game, you can't make your own list.
There are no army lists, just things people won a tourney with. You are far better off working things out on your own. Just copying a list and running is only hurts you.

>>47681354
>KDK exist NOW and it's STILL not a flamer,

Nigga you and I both know that codex was a literal copy-paste job.

It doesn't matter now with the FAQ (which is the entire purpose of the FAQ) but the RAW v. Logic argument was definitely an actual argument for those who aren't Autismotron-5000.

>>47681334
I plan on having Seraphin, since they still fit mobile tacticool religious fanatic theme I'm going for.

All thou I'm still tempted to order some recast sisters mount them on top of a Rhino, give them instruments, add some speakers to the rhino. BAM! Exorcist with Sisters rockin on top.

>>47681304
Butthurt relic spammer detected.
Please sell your army for cheap while you're angry about this, so that later you can be extra angry that you don't have the models anymore.

Would changing "X per model" to "X per unit" for all melta and haywire grenades break anything?

>>47681264
Ok you got me, Battleforge. Geez I have to recheck the rules, lots have changed since my glory days with Black Templars 20 man strong squads back in third edition.

>>47681416
>mfw it's almost never good to take more than one relic anyway

Who was really losing to stupid shit like the IH CM?

9 times out of 10, things like Khan or Lib on Bike are more dangerous.

>>47681424
Depends on what they do with the grenades in assault rules once the final FAQ version comes out.

>>47681340
Eh I can see that, you're absolutely correct, and I apologize. I guess I'm too focused on it being perfect from the get go that I'm forgetting to just stumble in, enjoy the mistakes, and then learn from them. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.