/ysg/-Yog-Sothothery General

>>47660271
Egad! I've put the wrong previous thread

>>47630524

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>>47660271
Threadly Reminder that Derleth is a nicest of hacks

>>47660315
a hack we owe much to.

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>>47660345
Based Derleth saved Lovecraft's works from falling into obscurity.

Also The Queen music and Lovecraft from Last Thread was simply the best idea I've heard in a while

can someone tell me more about the dreamlands? Does actual humans live there or everyone human is just passing by?
Also does time goes the same speed there?

Also also, ghouls and the dreamland, I heard there is something about time, like their god is there or something along that line. Anyone knows more?

>>47660508
The Dreamlands are made up of humanity and all other beings who can dreams, collective unconsciousness.

It can only be accessed awarely by Dreamquesters and those who sleep.

Not sure about that last one.

>>47660537
I mean, are there humans who live there, like for real? Who went through a gate so they enter the Dreamland physically and then decided to stay there forever?

>>47660481
ugh. Die of aids, anon.

What is a good way of representing hamon/ripple in Call of Cthulhu? I need to know for reasons

>>47660689
what is that?

Thinking of picking up Trail of Cthulhu

Anyone have any modules they would recommend trying for it?
Going to start with Watchers in the Sky.

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For those in the previous thread, yeah there was a graphic novel of ATMoM, but I dunno where to download it.

There was a storytime a while back, which is where I grabbed some pics.

Alright, I'm making the skeletal structure for a story set in the Yog-sothethery. It will be the first time I'll be the GM, and the players will all be newbies. I mostly only went as a player in DnD3.5 and the Hungarian Magus 1.0.
I want to toss them into the Lovecraft world. I've read all of Lovecraft's works, and I'm ready to use that to full effect.
I want this to be a light RP with the most basic roll-system to determine chances and opportunities.
I want it to kind of be the ship level, from Dark corners of the Earth. Does anyone have any experience they could share with me so I can give my players the best experience? Do's and don't's. Should I make a ship-map? Should I be merciless regarding deaths and traps?

>>47660925
>Hungarian Magus 1.0.
my condolences

>>47660995
House rules made it playable.
Fuck archers.

>>47661007
Look, playing M* with house rules is like playing with modeling clay made out of shit. With enough work and creativity you can make anything, but that won't change the fact that it's made out of shit

>>47660741
It's a form of martial arts from Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, back before they switched to punch ghosts.
the idea is that primarily by controlling ones breathing and focusing, one can pull off crazy Kung fu stuff. It also has something to do with sunlight. Basically, imagine old Kung fu movie cliches about chi and pressure points, without going full blown Naruro or DBZ retarded, and it was created by an ancient tribe to fight vampires.

I want to do an Adventure that starts in London, January 1889, and has a few references and cameos from the first story arc of Jojo. I'd like for the investigators to get attacked by zombies(Jojo zombies are more like weaker vampires), and just when it seems hopeless they get rescued by a Hamon user (who may or may not teach the adventures a trick or two, if he survives and they don't piss him off)

>>47661040
I know, I know. Not much I can do about it, though. Hungarians play Magus, and that's it. Anything else is to foreign for them. That's why I'm trying to play some Lovecraft-verse shit with some Serbs.

>>47660271
You might as well be making threads about quantum field theory that do nothing but discuss how Q makes quantum sound cool.

It may be required for your ego that you make threads upon threads, but why not actually post something worth reading? There is expansive literature on the subject available.

>>47661063
some edgy kids play WoD too.
Although have you looked at the new Delta Green? maybe that's the stuff you need, it's made for minimum dice rolling

>>47661092
I've been eyeing it 'cause of this threads, but haven't invested time into it yet.
Any torrents for the playbook, or something like that?

>>47661117
http://www.uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1461968691
here is the new agent's handbook

I don't have anything to contribute, but I want to thank you guys for finally making a general for this.

As someone who has greatly enjoyed lovecraft but fucking loathed the Chaosium RPGs for a while now, it's good to see something like this pop up.

So, I'm working on a brief write up about Tcho-Tcho for my Laundry game.

How's this look to start with:
Tcho-Tcho are a tribe of human (or near-human) pygmies living in the Kachin hills of Burma/Myanmar. Although most scholars have connected them to the near-extinct Taron people of Kachin, the Tcho-Tcho appear to predate them, as documents from the Taungoo dynasty refer to "murderous savage dwarves" in the northern hills and jungles.
Further research from the Laundry (albeit hampered by Ne Win's coup and junta) has determined the Tcho-Tcho dwell primarily within range of hills referred to, rather inaccurately, as the Sung Plateau. Within this foreboding range lies a ruined city called Alaozar by the Tcho-Tcho, who claim it was built by the gods.
Unfortunately, there is more truth to that statement than is healthy for the Tcho-Tcho, and for Earth itself; aerial photography has shown many similarities between the city's architecture and those structures classified under CODICIL BLACK SKULL.

Biology
While appearing human for the most part, living next to a thaumaturgical hot-spot like Alaozar has altered the Tcho-Tcho's biology (and psychology), leaving many to question if they no longer qualify as human. At the very least, they display several signs of severe Resonance Poisoning. Although the exact form of Resonance Poisoning varies from individual to individual, cancer is remarkably common amongst the Tcho-Tcho, and viewed as a divine blessing.

>>47662108
Culture
The Tcho-Tcho have an intensely private culture, sticking to their sacred lands, and rarely travelling outside of it. Even during the British Administration, contact with the Tcho-Tcho was rare, but a few details have been determined.
Tcho-Tcho society is centred around the worship of a being referred to as either Zhar or Lloigor (no connection to PANDORA WAITING or its servitors has been confirmed), who built the city of Alaozar, and was said to have created them. The name itself has been suspected to be the cause of fratricidal combat between various families of Tcho-Tcho, over which name is correct.
Whatever the name, the presence of their god is found in tumours, thankfully limiting the lifespan of their priests.
However, GRAVEDUST interrogation, compared to autopsy reports from the few Tcho-Tcho remains, has suggested that the tumours may be evidence of GENOA FRACTAL infestation, with their god being a particularly large and dangerous specimen.

Technology
The Tcho-Tcho have firmly rejected the technology of the outside world, using their traditional weapons: a weapon similar to the Nepalese Kukri, and a variety of thrown darts. These are typically made out of the bones of their ancestors, and serve as much a ritual purpose as a functional one.
Tcho-Tchos have been observed using sorcery and alchemy, and display a resistance to K-Syndrome, leading some to suggest sending in researchers for a closer look. As much of the Tcho-Tcho's sorcery is based on ritual cannibalism however, cooler heads have prevailed for now.

And some codeword translations:
CODICIL BLACK SKULL Matters related to the extraplanar Plateau of Leng, and the Sleeper in the Pyramid located there.
PANDORA WAITING Ghatanothoa, whose servants are also called Lloigor.
GRAVEDUST Necromatic communication, specifically devices designed to facilitate it.
GENOA FRACTAL Flying Polyps

>>47661203
Alrighty, much appreciated.

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I'm the guy who made this thing, and I've been thinking I could do continue in the same vein and make it a supplement with some Mythos-themed spells. Anybody got some good ideas for spells? Of the stuff we see in the books, there's Asenath/Ephraim Waite's body-swapping ritual, the "raising spirits of the dead from essential saltes" thing, The spells used to reveal and destroy the Dunwich Horror, and assorted summoning rituals. Could probably make up some spells with madness and body-horror themes, although considering my track record I'd run the risk of making stuff too weird.

>>47661092

Still waiting for my hard copy from the Kickstarter.

>>47660895

Ask /co/ or /wsr/ one or the other will have it.

>>47660271
So I just finished Mountains of Madness.
Seems like the Elder Things are alright guys, is that accurate? They did fight the Mi-Go who seem like dicks, and Cthulhu's spawn.

>>47660271
Reminder that Dagon > Call of Cthulhu

Reminder that Lovecraft's fiction isn't bad because it's racist, it's bad because it's cliched.

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>>47662135
I liked the idea better that was put forward on Fairfieldproject: Tcho^2 become what they ingest.

Making a Kukri takes steel, so unless you are suggesting magic furnaces in the jungle smelting iron with precise carbon ratio...

Generally listing a lot of codewords is never a good idea, especially not in Laundry documents.

I really wish we had a proper thread for this kind of thing.

>>47664832
They're by far the most human-like of Mythos creatures. While they might look weird as hell, they seemed to have though processes and emotions comparable to those of humans, they're made from matter as we know it, and considering life as we know it on Earth was seeded here by them, they're genetically relatively close to us as well (probably about as far genetically from us as we are from amoebas, but that's still a hell of a lot closer than something like the Mi-Go).

They're probably still be kind of assholes to humans, considering they had a civilization billions of years old and humans (and all life on Earth) pretty much evolved from their garbage. They certainly wouldn't see humanity as their equals, but at least they could be negotiated with and, being fellow 3-dimensional material beings would have at least some degree of common interests with humanity (the Old Ones waking up would fuck up their day pretty badly as well, although they actually fought Cthulhu to a standstill once before).

>>47665313
>they actually fought Cthulhu to a standstill once before
Which is pretty fuckign impressive, since the Elder Things were purely mundane creatures of flesh and blood. They had advanced technology, especially biotech, but compareed to most other things in the Mythos, they weren't much different from humanity. the Mi-Go, by comparison, are composed of some form of exotic matter and have a vast inter-dimensional empire, while the Yithians have the whole thing with projecting their mind across unfathomable distances of space and time to swap bodies with other beings.

The Elder Things don't seem to have been capable of anything humans theoretically couldn't do given enough time and advancement, and they somehow fought not only the Mi-Go, but fucking Cthulhu and all his spawn to a standstill.

>>47660895
That geographical formation looks like a shitty tilted drawing of the Americas with an island off Baja California.

>>47665580
So Lovecraft's setting is basically ETFY?

>>47663595
You already have elder sign related stuff. There's plenty of spells that apparently summon stuff from all sorts of nasty abysses. There's the geometry teleportation thing from Witch House. Maybe something like the ability/science the Elder Things had for being able to survive in outer space? I'd have to reread more of it, but you could also just feel out stuff that seems right.

Also, you could have a ranger archetype which is a dreamer. Someone who's never been out in the wilds or ruins in their whole waking life, but has several lifetimes worth of experience with the arcane in dreams.

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>>47665062
>I liked the idea better that was put forward on Fairfieldproject: Tcho^2 become what they ingest.
Personally, I wanted to stay away from the inhuman idea. To me, they work best as humans who've been affected by living next to the thaumaturgical equivalent of Chernobyl. Like the people of Innsmouth, or the Gardner family. I wanted to try and go back to the original story, the Lair of the Star Spawn, and work from there (Hence Lloigor and Zhar rather than Atlach-Nacha, Chaugnar Faugh, Shuggoron, or the others.)
Something I've been thinking is that using the term Tcho-Tcho to apply to all mythos worshipping asian cultures is a lot like how Inuit has been used to describe the Yupik, Aleut and Inupiat peoples as well.

>Making a Kukri takes steel, so unless you are suggesting magic furnaces in the jungle smelting iron with precise carbon ratio...
Well, they're similar to Kukri, not exact. The blades could be made of a more simple iron or copper (suitable for summoning a dimensional shambler), or steel or even something more exotic. Alaozar may have had forges, or a supply of something stranger.

>Generally listing a lot of codewords is never a good idea, especially not in Laundry documents.
You mean the bit at the end? That was just added in case people wanted to know what they were, because otherwise they might not have the ridiculous knowledge of what they all mean. If you mean in general, their use is quite common.

>>47665313
>based Elder Things
My inquiry is have they any contact with the Outer Gods?

>>47662135
>GENOA FRACTAL
Goddamn Polyps, will they ever stop pestering us?

>>47665580
they fought the Yith too didn't they?

>>47665914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWT07iRvI9M

>>47665919
I thought the Yith arrived later. Like, after the partition between North for Mi-Go and South for Elder Thing.

>>47660608
Was that a reference to the late Freddy Mercury?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja0jS_toKxk

>>47665625
Well, they did somehow manage to pull off the standard HFY trope and through the power of TECHNOLOGY! and DETERMINATION! fough off the Mi-Go invasion and punched Cthulhu in the face long enough to survive until the stars stopped being right.
Too bad they're all dead, so humanity will likely never learn just how they managed to accomplish that.

>>47665900
Wasn't mentioned in "Mountains". They treated the mountains where another Great Old One dwelled with fear and respect, but no mention is made of their relation with the Outer Gods. Shoggoths apparently can be controlled by sorcerers, and one shows up in "the Thing at the Doorstep", in association with what I believe is a Shub-Niggurath cult or shrine, so there may be some conenction there.

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>>47665625
Well until they had a robot rebellion with grey goo colonies.

>>47666022
Badass as hell for a bunch of virus looking squid guys

>>47661058
Make it similar to the martial arts skill but make it also consume magic points.
Also good idea with the JoJo zombies...been a while since I read Phantom Blood

>>47666204
Starfish guys. Star Spawn are the squid-guys.

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Something that has puzzled about the creatures in Lovecraft, can you actually consider them aliens? Because for the most part they seem to function as demons, just a lot more mind-bendy and generally stranger. Usually they are classified as aberrations but that's also meh.

If these things like Heaven or Hell were to exist, where would these alien niggas fit on to the totem pole? Would they be like foreign exchange students in comparison to the more mainstream good/evil outer-planers?

>>47666511
>can you actually consider them aliens?
they fit in that zone of the Venn-Diagram yes...

>>47666511
They are aliens, sometimes interstellar and often extra-dimensional.

>>47666511
they would be from some different planet or dimension's hell and heaven at best, not from this one.
Because, grab onto something, they are aliens. As in, not from this planet.
Like, extraterrestrials, and sometimes they even phone home.

Either that or they are from Mexico

>>47660573

Yes, you can do that. In "Celephaïs", a man dreams himself up a city while living in London, and is carried off to it, escorted by spectral knights. Later, his physical body is found washed up on the shore.

Then, in "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath", Randolph Carter encounters him, now going by the name "Kuranes". He's still ruling that same dream-city.

Lovecraft isn't one for coherent world-building, but if I had to explain it I wouldn't call it "entering dreamland physically" (although it seems as thought Ghouls can do that). I'd call it something more along the lines of astral projection that you do while dreaming. If you do it well enough, you can leave your actual body behind. Otherwise, you can just wake up in it.

>>47660573
Yes, several characters do that. In Pickman's Model the goblins he paints are from a passageway to the Dreamlands. This can be inference from when he later appears alive and well in Dream Quest, where he has become transfigured into a goblin himself and has been living out his days with them. He helps Randolph Carter, who apparently was a close friend. Carter also makes reference to another friend who settled there and became a great king.

>>47666511
Hevan, Hell, and Squids

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>>47666586
>>47666656
What about the more magical aspects of the creatures? Clearly people summon these things or that magic at some point was used as a way to fight them, that or electricity. A lot of it feels really tied into demonology. Unless in Lovecraft's pure canon such things weren't elaborated on too greatly until later when other authors started taking up the work, then forget I mentioned it.

>>47666666
So you're saying these niggas aren't just tied down to one classsification, but more rather a large variety of sub-types? Goddamn.

>>47666666

Get out Double Satan.

>>47666918
I don't think Lovecraft every truly explained magic, but I have always felt that it takes advantage of knowledge that goes beyond human understanding, but is comprehended as magic. Like a demon summoning spell would be using highly advanced geometry to open a hole into higher dimensions, but understood as the practitioners differently. I guess I got that feeling the most from Dreams in the Witch House, wherein the geometry of the house allows it to travel to other planes . Much of Lovercraft's work that seems strictly fantasy often times have some fascinating science-fiction underpinnings, which I feel came from his fascination with astronomy.

>>47667042
*understood differently by the practitioners.

>>47666918
Not even just that, there is the basic guys who are interplanetary, the Great Old Ones (GOOs) who are extradimensional and the Outer God who control all of the Lovecraftian multiverse.

Also, 1. they granted people magic, ie: Magic is powered by them 2. they are aren't demons, demons were based upon them.

>>47661508
I will take the credit for this even though I've barely done anything, you are welcome.

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>>47666918
I like the Laundry's approach to magic, but then I'm just a fan of that anyway.

But yeah, it's all sufficiently advanced science and stuff like that.

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>Lovecrafty rpg thread

Fuck yeah.

Question, is a human/Elder Thing romance viable, at least emotionally? Provided there's some.kind of translation spells I'm effect, I'd love an inversion of the usual "the horror!' reaction to "I have low SAN, so wow, she's actually kind of cute" progressing to "and that, my star-spawn hybrids, is how I met your mother!"

Yes, I want a story/NPC with an Elder Thing waifu in my Laundry campaign. I'm mad, I tell you, stark raving mad.

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>>47666666
interdimensional satan right here

>>47667408
>oblivion picture
That actually looks nice, but I immediately knew what it was

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>>47667408
Hey, why not.

>>47667408
I'd fuck it.

>>47667408
No not really. Elder Things reproduce through hermaphodite spores. They don't have gender, or the concept of romantic love/familial love.

You could have a wicked bromance with one though.

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>>47667445

>All my love craft pics are on hd, not mobile

b-be gentle anon

>>47667456

>someone actually had a relevant picture for this

Well I'll be gosh darned.

Don't encourage me, now I want to write a short fic where a Miskatonic student on a trip to the Antarctic gets lost, falls down a hole and accidentally thaws out an Elder Thing girl (do they even have females what am I doing) and then they have to huddle together for body heat until the rescue team finds him and he inevitably has to stop them from capturing and dissecting her

MAD, I TELL YOU

>>47667512
Awww.

I thought that was the Mi-Go?

Not the original anon by the way.

>>47666666
Fuck off Nyarlathotep

Any entity out there that is actively trying to help/protect/aid humanity? I'm not talking about a good guy sort but just one whose plans include the prolonging of humanity's existence

>>47666918
I'm much more familiar with Delta Green's take on the Mythos than the original material but to my understanding magic is really just significantly advanced science, crazy math and alien technology. The bad shit that happens when humans use "magic" mostly happens because our understanding of science is too primitive to take the same precautions that the aliens that use the stuff all the time do.

>>47667659
Bast seems relatively happy with us existing. We do feed her children.

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>>47667536
This sadly can't happen with a female Elder Thing because
>>47667512
Still do it

>>47667548
Nope. Mi-go society is never thoroughly detailed.

That said, Elder Things just spend all day broing it up with their best friends. Though, they are socialists if you have a problem with that.

Also notably the Yithian's are also socialistic and don't place large value on family. Seems to be Lovecraft's default "utopia".

>>47667659
Nodens, sort of. And Nyarlathotep when he feels like it.

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>>47667714
Elder Things are absolutely adorable just from that fact
>>47667707

>>47667714
Fascist Socialists.

To be specific: "The Great Race seemed to form a single loosely knit nation or league, with major institutions in common, though there were four definite divisions. The political and economic system of each unit was a sort of fascistic socialism, with major resources rationally distributed, and power delegated to a small governing board elected by the votes of all able to pass certain educational and psychological tests. Family organisation was not overstressed, though ties among persons of common descent were recognised, and the young were generally reared by their parents."

>>47667803
LOVECRAFT WAS A COMMIE

>>47667729
Nyarly's mood changes faster than you read this

>>47667408
>Is a human/Elder Thing romance viable, at least emotionally?
No. What makes mythos creatures so alien is their complete incompatibility with our ways of understanding. Now that is not to say breeding hasn't occurred. In Dunwich Horror, for example Yog-Sothoth himself fucks some whore and has two sons, one resembling a man and the other a giant invisible monster . It is just unlikely that these creatures would feeling any romantic emotion towards humans, if they had romantic tendencies at all.

I find it odd how even though humanity are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, the Mythos still has Earth as an important place in the universe (shitton of trapped gods, loads of races making it their past and future home, prophecies of gods ruling it etc.)

>>47668217
We're the equivalent of an interstellar dive bar. Everyone ends up here.

Or, even more horrific than that... we're not special. There are millions of worlds just like ours out there. We just think we're special because we only know of the guys who visited or got imprisoned here.

>>47668217
I think that crazy shit is happening everywhere in the universe, and Earth is mundane compared to other places.

>>47668217
I always imagined that it was kind of like how God can have a singular interest in a person but also see the whole universe at the same time. The universe is so huge and terrible, and the gods are so omnipresent and horrible, that the fact earth is so bustling doesn't even indicate that it's special. A world that was central or important would be a global absolute nightmare by human standards.

>>47660315
SUPER IMPORTANT SPACE LIBRARY

So what do people think of the K'n-yan?

>>47668282
>>47668294
This is probably the canon explanation

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>>47668405
We got shota Librarian Hastur out of it, so I'm okay.

>>47668498
>>47660315
Speaking of the anime which had Cthugha in it, why does nobody like Cthugha? I always thought it was one of Derleth's more positive additions to the Mythos.

>>47668571
I think he's fine. People don't generally do much with him, but the Stars are Also Fire was an awesome scenario.

>>47668760
Cthugha, a Living Fireball who hates Nyarlathotep. A pity that he isn't used

>>47668571
Elephant trunks are more of a Indi thing.

And directly opposing Nyarly is a good way to get fucked into irrelevancy.

>>47669573
You're thinking of Chaugnar Faugn, who was Long, not Derleth.

(Long's the guy behind the Hounds of Tindalos as well. Which actually has someone write down their own death scream)

>>47668448
K'n-yan was rather interesting, it scoffs at superior which I actually am surprised Lovecraft wasn't into. It has zombie slaves which are sorta cool and generic cult behavior

>>47669573
>And directly opposing Nyarly is a good way to get fucked into irrelevancy.

>forgetting Nodens

>>47669708
*superior genes making you fit to rule

>>47669668
Are you kidding me?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIz0q8aWpA

>>47666804
>goblin
>not ghoul

>>47666666
>Satan confirms we need to build a wall to keep out the deep ones

>>47666666
holy mother of god, double satan

Any Ask Lovecraft fans here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_1P4YYczU

>>47670057
>>47670085
You mean Nyarlathotep

>>47670091
Of course, it is patriarchian tier.
Though I'm not sure I'd pick him to play Lovecraft, he'd more neurotic in my imagination

>>47670091
>"Do Italians have souls?"
I kekked

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Would Earth after the stars go right be even remotely livable?

I'm kind of imagining an eldritch post-apocalypse setting, like Mad Max if it took place in the Warp. Any survivors unlucky enough to be sane get chased relentlessly by crazed cultists, to get dragged back to their dark citadels where the god wait.

>>47670091
There was an interesting theory that Kessler and Howie were actually Masks of Nyarlathotep

>>47670441
It would be livable but not survivable. Pretty much everyone dies young, people convert en mass to the GOOs and the Outer Gods.

>>47670507
That's kind of my idea. It'll pretty much be ultra-grimdark by default, but it would be somewhat playable.

I feel that the Old Ones themselves wouldn't particularly care who survived or not, so you don't necessarily need to get instagibbed.

>>47670546
Any ideas what our favorite Outer God: Nyarlathotep is doing, or for that matter Hastur or Y'golo?

>>47670546
But you would still be quickly rounded up by lunatics who worship the more comprehensible gods; those who care enough to offer power to their followers and direct them. I suppose there would be settlements or pockets of survivors, but none in any great number and all under constant threat of insanity, death, or conversion by cults and their strange masters.

>>47670441
I like to imagine it as another bottleneck from which humanity will survive, just warped beyond recognition.

Canon is really too vague on the matter.

>>47670619
Of course we would, the Black King will guide us.

>>47670584
Most of the old ones may actually just have left Earth completely after eating their fill. The ones that stayed behind would be those who have actual kingdoms there, like Cthulhu.

As for Gnarly, he'd ironically become something of a benefector to survivors. Crazed cultists bore him, so he grants favors to the few wastelanders tough or smart enough to garner attention.

>>47670592
And don't forget about Yiith, Mi-go, Ghouls, Shoggoths, and Flying Polyps drifting around

>>47670112
even if Satan is just a mask of Nyarlathotep, it's useful to have the name and symbol for that particular form.

>>47666815
of the non-derleth kind is good, especially if hevan is really weak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdHJ0u5cLB0

>>47670716
Y'golonac wouldn't leave, the sick bastard would probably go around killing and raping everything in sight while occasionally leaving people alive long enough to spread word of him before killing them. It would be his paradise.

>>47670724
>Metal to listen to while partying in /ysg/
I love you Anon

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>>47670441

The Laundry Files has a whole module devoted to this. It's called Case Nightmare Green.

>>47670817
But this is homecooked, much more fun

>>47670441
Yes.

Think of it as the ultimate trial of humanity.
We're just another species in the universe, sure. But we're unfinished.
Will be become a servitor race?
Will we manage to keep our independence?
Will one of us become so monstrous as to become an archetype? (Like Cthulhu to the Xothians, Yig to Serpents, Bast to Cats, Cthugha to Fire Vampires, Dagon and Hydra to Deep Ones, Shudde M'ell to Chthonians... you get the idea)

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>>47670716
>Nyarly becomes the Outersider from Dishonored
I can dig it

>>47670874
>Outersider
Anon, I love you as well

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>>47670874
>implying that Nyarly isn't the Outsider

>>47670856
Who'd we become the archetype to?

>>47670441

There was a mini-setting where humanity 'escaped' to Mars. Too bad Vulthoom was there.

>>47670936
No, I mean someone would arise from us to become our archetype. The perfect human, our king and high priest.

Of which I can imagine there'd be a lot of contenders.

>>47671062
So you mean the God Emperor of All Mankind?

>>47671107
Yeah, only not as bad a dad, and not as much of a sperg.

>>47671228
But those are integeral character traits of Emps, otherwise he's dollar discount human Superman/Ubermensch

>>47670856
There a little something in Call of Cthulhu game where humans end up serving some Outer race or someshit. While this race is building it's kingdom on earth they are attacked from all sides. Desperate for a tactical edge, they breed with humans and use both tech and magic to augment the hybrids into what get call The Mighty Children who then go on to become nobility in this new empire.

>>47671768
So War version of Innsmouth but glorified and IN SPACE.

>>47671768
That's the Cruel Empire of Tsan Chan, isn't it?

>>47670874
Nyarly IS the Outsider. Dishonored has some pretty obvious Lovecraft influences in it, so I'd say it's very likely the Outsider was directly based on Nyarlathotep.

Although I tend to assume in my headcanon that any being who'se pretty much Nyarlathotep with seiral number filed off is, infact, Nyarlathotep. He has probably infinite amount of avatars and exists outside the universe, after all, so he could show up in any universe in any form.

>>47666511
I forget who coined this term, but ultraterrestrials is catch all term for them. Life that is either alien to our planet and/or dimension.

Anyone considering Fate for their Mythos games?

>>47667816
LOVECRAFT HATED SKYSCRAPERS, AND LOVED DOUGHNUTS!

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>>47667064
>they are aren't demons, demons were based upon them.

So demons themselves are technically inbred off-shoots of these guys? What chain of events lead to creation of demons in Lovecraft's mythos? His version of Satan must have been a defect of sorts.

>>47664963
>pretty much birthed the genre.
>eldritch horror is also referred to as lovecraftian horror
Gonna need an explanation senpai

>>47674478
There aren't any demons. There is no biblical hell where the damn are tortured for their sins. Demon is just a superstitious name given to those grotesque otherworldy beings who prey on humanity.

The closest he has to a Satan is Nyarlthotep I believe, because he is the only one who even notices humans exist and find tormenting us amusing.

>>47674479
not him but
>good ideas, bad writing

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>>47667428

>>47674720

I think what that Anon's contesting is the accusation that his writing was cliched, since the genre-cliches he's referring to didn't exist back when Lovecraft was doing his shit (and arguably inventing them).

>>47667659
Mi-Go
They want to milk the creativity and thinking method out of the humans and you can't do that if they are all dead.
They gently prodding the humans into a path that makes it easier for them but the Mi-Go aren't powerful enough to go against the bigger baddies so if shit hits the fan they will just bail out.

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>>47674829
That's a cute little shoggoth

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Y'all deserve this.

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There is an Italian tabletop RPG called "Alba di Cthulhu" (Cthulhu's Dawn) which is great. Basically R'lyeh rose and Cthulhu awoke, begin conquering the world. The whole setting is in R'lyeh whereyou are occult investigators. All religion cults are banned except for the Elder Ones and the Yellow King adepts are basically terrorists. Really nice.

>>47674829
how is that done?

>>47675112
Cthulhu really needs to work off those sacrifices, look at that flab

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>>47675059
He's an Outer God, not your waifu.

>>47660271
I'm not a big fan of Lovecraft and Yog-Soroth. The RNG is crazy, though it's alright if the enemy has a full board and you don't.

>>47675131
something something google neuro webs and angry Budgett's froggo

>>47675131
https://dreamscopeapp.com/

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>>47675879
>He only plays the games

>>47667714
>Mi-go society is never thoroughly detailed.
It is in Eyes Only, and mostly all over Delta Green books

in what way could someone with modern technology find and identify a ghoul if said ghoul uses the consume likeness spell. As far as I know that spell doesn't change the shadow so that's one. Also if said person receives an injury he changes back. Is there anything else?

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Asked this before and got no response.

Anyone with experience in Trail of Cthulhu know any good modules to run? Any experience with The Watchers in the Sky?

Also curious about the delta green Cold Dead Hand and the play test version of The Star Chamber.

Why is it that despite having read every bit of fiction Lovecraft has written, I still seem to know fuck all about the mythos?

Should I blame Derleth?

>>47676723
There is no such thing as "the mythos" in Lovecraft work. Derleth barely put together a few thing but it's mostly Call of Cthulhu RPG that created the mythos as we know it.

>>47677083
I bought the D6 book. Should I try to get a group going? I feel like I can get the tone right (though it might be difficult with 4 hero/victims).

>>47677444
Of course you should ! CoC is a great game and is maybe the only tabletop rpg that is universaly respected.

>>47677930
except when people think it stands for Corruption of Champions

>>47677930
It has a lot of fluffy stats, doesn't it? I remember seeing example characters that had complete nonsense in their little gigantic skill lists.

I want to do Dreamlands stuff (as it is most suited for high adventure), but there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for it.

>>47678033
another great game

>>47678068
There is a complete book about the dreamland, but I think it's out of print since a while in the US (i'm from France where we have Sans-Detour reediting everything given enough time). There is indeed a lot of skills, not that much stat though. If you manage your group and have them make a coherent team, you won't have any problem i think

>>47678537
Your taste is patrician as fuck.

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>>47660315
>Threadly Reminder that Derleth is a nicest of hacks
>>47660481
>Based Derleth saved Lovecraft's works from falling into obscurity.

Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior H. P. Lovecraft and his prophet Derleth?

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>>47676549
still interested in this

>>47680461
You mean the Outer Gods and their prophet H.P Lovecraft ?

>>47680361
It's okay

>>47681719
Is it holographic or does it actually have substance

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>>47674650
I always found it quietly profound and neat that Nyarlathotep is the soul of Azathoth, or like, Azathoth's dreaming self, a being at once tied to and separate from its origin being. Especially under the idea that all of existence is just Azathoth dreaming. In a way, turns it all into a sad slow suicide of the universe, as Nyarlathotep torments all the dream fragments of reality, looking to hasten Azathoth's awakening so it all fades away.

I've always been way more into the somber Dreamland mysticism side of things over the now horribly dull horror of the setting concepts.

>>47683872
Oh God, that's actually pretty fucked up.

How well can The Thing (and it's original story Who Goes There) fit within the Yog-Sothothery? I was thinking of running a one-shot around it.

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>>47684099
Well enough that they gave it stats.

>>47660315
The only thing that should be done with Derleth is inventing a time machine specifically to kill him. Before Hitler even.

>>47684354
Or having your way with him until he forgets all about Prudish Lovecraft

>>47685287
This anon knows where it's at

>>47684145
Is this from one of the Chaosium books?

>>47685876
Apparently

>>47685876
Yup. Malleus Monstrorum, the big book of monsters for Call of Cthulhu.

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>>47685287
Derleth is actually pretty fucking hot

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>>47685287
My Nergos

>>47685287
>>47685860
>>47686145
>>47686166
I can get behind this.

>>47686274
Why get behind this when Derleth can get behind you, then start the fun?

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>noboy currently wants to fuck Nyarly
You all sicken me

>>47686517
Sorry anon, I'm a Shub niggurath man.

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Her kids are pretty hot

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>>47686615
>trying to steal my waifu
Don't talk to me or my wife's sons ever again.

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>>47676668
Nobody has any experience playing these?

I

>>47686653
brother-in-law-san!

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>>47686540
But his shapeshifting abilities can cater to you preferences

>>47686777
I mean, Henry's tastes would probably just be Nyarly as he already is.

>>47686777
Nyarly seems like a guy Slaanesh would like; one second you are having great sex, then his dick turns into poison coated thumb tacks.

>>47686828
But as which of his Masks?

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>>47686846
>>47686828
I'd still fuck 'im

So for CoC, what would /tg/ recommend as some of the better one-shot adventures? Either Chaosium or 3rd Party, just anything that's fun to play, spooky, and not a big campaign.

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Can anyone tell me more about Hastur? Some sources say he's an outer god, and that makes sense if he's around aldebaran or something, but other sources like Derleth call him a GOO. Any thoughts? Also how specifically is he connected to the King in Yellow, I've read the book by Chambers, and there were only a few mentions of him, if I remember correctly.

>>47687592
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastur
Hastur is really only ever brought up in association with Carcosa and the King in Yellow. Not much more than the name is ever mentioned but according to Derleth it is some kind of wind spirit or something. Aside from Chambers, Delta Green has the most interesting take on the whole King in Yellow business if you ask me.

To answer your question, nobody really goes into much detail about Hastur.

>>47683872
Except Nyarly is scared shit-less of ending the dream.

Most of what he does is to keep the thing from unraveling, from striking up the band to slapping the piss out of C'thulu the settings only true Nihilist.

People always forget what the great priest is actually a priest of and despite how insignificant people play him off, his reawakening is actually a big deal for everybody. The main reason why the outter gods wanted to lock him up in the first place and unless some pathetic ignorant 3 dimensional worms unknowingly stumbles *cough* humans *cough* he will stay that way.

>>47688175
Take what you read from Derleth with a huge grain of salt. He didn't really get Lovecraft or willfully misconstrued it if he did to sell more of his own derivative shit.

Although yeah, I guess anything he wrote mostly by himself he would know about. But if you want to call it "Lovecraftian" in a true sense of the term it's not so.

Lovecraft is all about cosmic mechanistic forces. If people mistake something for a god they are wrong, but that doesn't make it inherently good or evil.

Derleth got too much into the good and evil business.

Although, some of Lovecraft's aliens are assholes. That's also true.

But not "Gods". Not really.

>>47688175
So what is Delta Greens' take on him?

>>47688310

Haven't read it recently, but Hastur is a personification of entropy. He will twist and warp the fabric of reality.

>>47688269
I'm not a fan of Derleth's take on pretty much any aspect of the Mythos, I was just mentioning him because it was relevant to anon's question.

>>47688310
It has less to do with Hastur but Carcosa is a sort of parasite city drawn to areas of extreme decay, physical, emotional or otherwise. If it gets really bad the city can begin manifesting into our dimension. The play and the Yellow Sign are all portents of worse things to come and "infect" most people who come in contact with them causing them to spread their influence and draw Carcosa closer to our reality. Delta Green, the organization, treats all things King in Yellow related with a very strict "Do not look, do not touch, slash and burn everything" policy. It all has a much more surreal flavor than the rest of the Mythos stuff and I think it can be a refreshing change of pace.

>>47688269
It has more to do with the idea of good and evil as relativistic terms.

Ultimately these eldrich abominations are beyond moral judgement. Humans are amazingly self-centered and utterly insignificant. The whole of human civilization could be crushed under the tidal forces at work and we would call them evil, but it's no more evil than you accidently stepping on a bug.

Nyarlathotep is arguably the only "evil" entity in the fiction because he commonly wears human masks and actually understands the human condition/perspective and still actively causes suffering. Hell, he delights in it.

>>47688538
That's pretty neat.

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>>47688538
I always enjoyed the King in Yellow as a sort of sickness of the soul, who comes only when that illness is at a fever peak in a truly degraded city. A perfect storm of sickness, isolation, drug abuse, focus on the arts, sense of loss, poverty and intentional exploitation of human lives, and I decided that the King In Yellow play, the reason it drives madness, is that anyone who watches will realize how accurately beat-for-beat it reflects their current society and situation, and how clearly it predicts the coming death and sickness, which drives people with the right mindset into rejection or acceptance, and madness.

So it's less an apocalypse, and more, a symptom of self-inflicted apocalypse from a society sliding into Mythos behavior of alienating and dehumanizing each other in search of profit and opulence at the cost of all life.

The King in Yellow, as such, is like an Ultra Id of the collective dreamed selves of the city and society, as it begins to bridge to the Mythos across dreams in its behavior, inviting Carcosa in. Thus the horror of 'no mask, no mask' - the King shows that your real face is hideous and deformed, because you are, sick and devoid of humanity inside.

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>>47689197
That sounds way too moralistic but I like it outside the context of the mythos.

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>>47689244
It's moralistic in the sense of entropy and self-feeding. The King/Hastur does not care, neither does Carcosa, save to draw more into the fold, which is achieved when a certain mindset of entropy is reached, which for humans as a specific species is best achieved by the filth, squalor, and entropic embrace of a huge collective of society engaging in alienating and destructive behavior.

By letting GO of morals, it encourages and attracts the King through everyone's collective and concentrated dreams, like an open wound inviting infection. It doesn't care for the laws and morals, it cares for the entropy being created and accepted as normal.

It's just, by the fever dream nature of the sickness, it tends to, for the sufferers, become very introspective and moralistic to help drive them further along into the embrace of ruin.

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My group has been playing Delta Green since we got bored with DnD (this was just before the kicktarter came out, but I'm really enjoying the update). Anyway, I've decided to move on from playing prewritten scenarios and I was wondering if you guys had any good advice for writing and GM'ing in general for good atmosphere and fun?

>>47689284
Since by that method Carcosa would grow, would it be less entropy and more parasitic? We could consider Hastur and Carcosa a parasite that has infected Azathoths' dream to feed and then move on to some other yog-sothothory to infect.

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>>47689310
Don't worry so much about religiously adhering to a hardcoded mindset for how the game goes. Allow some levity, allow some humanity, you need to make sure things taste as sweet as they tens to go sour. Don't be afraid to mix things up all around, have them second guess everything. The Mythos, like the universe and its Dreamlands nexus, is infinite. Get surreal. Mix and match. Find your own particular mood, and work on that, instead of forcing the mood from a predefined mindset of material.

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>>47689350
Could be. I leave it vague and unknowable, simply because it's such a surrealist event - to understand any of it, you need to be in that feverish, sick, drugged up dreamstate, and by then you're already doomed. To others, it might even be a sort of CROATOAN event where nobody even realizes the city and society existed, even if they're next door to it; those without any Mythos knowledge can only infer at best.

It's just yet another powerful and alien force that seems to be attracted to a certain kind of entropy, and that's all you can safely know. And part of the horror comes from the sheer wall of battling it - you can't just yank the reigns on a self-destructive society overnight. It may very well be a sort of dream cancer, where once it's happening, it's already terminal.

>>47670441
The Cruel Empire of Tsan Chan.

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>>47670441
Humans make a pact with Bast. Escape with their cat friends into the Dreamlands. Live on there, forever unable to go back to Earth without risking capture and slaughter.

>>47682284
Damn fundamentalists!

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>>47683725
you mean the consume likness? they actually turn to that in flesh and blood, but injury makes them turn back. they look the like in infra red too, and such, but stabbing them a needle will make them turn back

Could a human ever ascend to become a powerful Mythos entity in his own right? Whether by science or magic or meditation or what have you, could a human make himself relevant? Obviously he would cast off some of shackles of humanity, but still.

what's the difference between elder gods and outer gods?

>>47690476
where do you draw the line for powerful?

>>47690531
Cthulhu tier I suppose.

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>>47690549
>>47690531
>>47690476
The whole Cult of Transcendance is about that. See DG Target of Opportunity
The end up dancing around Azatoth throne in exchange for a century of despair and stupidity for humanity

>>47690476
Humanity should probably be able to reach the same level as the Elder Things, who, despite being creatures of flesh and blood, with no innate supernatural abilities, were able to fight Cthulhu and his spawn to a standstill. Of course, the technology they used to accomplish it (their Shoggoth servitors) ended up turning on them and wiping them out later.

>>47663595
I like this a lot!

Please continue fown that road!

I would have several recommendations wishes for future write ups though, if thats acceptable.

I would like very much some material about Hastur as a warlock patron or some domainification for his priests.

Secondly I really like the star beings from "Behind the Wall of Sleep" and other stories.

Never played 4e but could you remake some sort of "Star-Pact" for Warlocks?

I like the idea of blasting guys with celestial energies and transcendence into that sort of being a a possible capstone abillity.

Will show this to my friends, I hope our GM likes it.

>>47689310
I'm on my phone right now so I can't post it but Detwiller released a very useful "How to write horror scenarios" pdf back when the KS was still going.

>>47667042
>I guess I got that feeling the most from Dreams in the Witch House, wherein the geometry of the house allows it to travel to other planes
Uhh...
I'm freaking out a bit because Ive had dreams that sound like exactly the same thing as a Witch House. Is this a common setting for dreams or something?

>>47691642
If a man with coal black skin wearing black robes shows up in your dreams and offers you ability to travel in space and time in exchange for signing your name in the Book of Azatoth, don't. Also watch out for rats.

>>47690525
An Elder God is just a Great Old One people think is good.

>>47691805
and what is the definition of a great old one then?

>>47691711
Brown Jenkin is living in my house. Dog is going nuts. Moved my bedroom on purpose into the room where the geometry is most favorable to dream travel.

>>47690852
That's just the earth colony. Witch House dude went to a city of theirs near Azatoth's pipe orchestra.

>>47691850
Sufficiently advanced singular alien being.

What happend to Innsmouth after the raid ? What is it like in 2016 ?

Is there any info on that ? Also favorite use of Deep Ones ?

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>>47691121
I started work on this, although it's still very much work in progress and kind of a mess.

Not really sure at all about what to do with the Star-Pact/Polaris/Beyond the Walls of Sleep thing, and whether I should actually make it a pact instead of a patron. I should probably include some abilities actually connected to the stars as well.

To be added: spells, at least. Thinking of making a sort-of cleric domain thing, where clerics of a domain appropriate for a certain Outer God could replace their normal domain spells with new ones themed after that Outer God, but that might mess things up as some spells might interact too strongly with some domain powers.

>>47691973
Bring back a statue of an elder thing as proof please.

Honestly, being an interstellar traveler is probably worth some local kids.

>>47693307
Oh, confused patron and pact.

But you know what I mean.

Just something in that direction.


I like the direction you are taking Hastur.

The star thing is hard, I admit. I just like the idea of stars as entities/gods as well.

About your domain idea, I think with a bit of work you could do this as it was done before with sub-domains.

But rely on your instinct on this.

Thanks man!

>>47693657
PS:
If you want i could try to look around for a one level spell of each outer god to replace one of the void domains spells.

If that fits.

>>47690664
Anyone feel that's a pretty hopeful, from a certain perspective?

Since human morality is completely meaningless in the Mythos, a chance to escape mere humanity and become close to an Outer God is a good end right? Especially if all you care is that humanity continues to exist in some form. Anything is preferable to total extinction.

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>>47694032
Certainly. It's just evolution.

I'm planning on running a near future CoC campaign where the bad guy is a human who is bootstrapping himself to godhood using stolen alien technology and black magic, leaving a trail of dead/mind broken victims in his wake. He's going to be 100% successful if the players can't stop him, no "Don't play god" messages here. It's just that it'll be pretty horrible for everyone around him, so it's kinda weighing the pros and cons.

>>47694081
I guess it's horrifying if you lack perspective. If I got thrown into the Delta Green setting, my first order of business would be to find Roger G. Ash. I imagine it would be a most enlightening conversation about cosmic truths.

>>47693307
Make a whole range of Mythos Appropriate domains.

Occult (Forbidden Knowledge)
Fecundity (Unrestrained Life)
Wilderness (Undiscovered Nature)
Maelstrom (Devouring Tempest)
Betrayal (Malevolent Trickery)

And just Madness instead of War.

>>47694157
That could work, and would be slightly more generic and thus easier to use. Although I do intend to make some spells specifically themed after certain Outer Gods (Yog-Sothot would get space/time schenanigance, Shub-Niggurath some mutation stuff, maybe give Hastur something).

I should finish the star thing first, but I'm not even really sure what I'd want from it. Ability-wise, I wanted to tie it to the "Polaris" "Beyond the Walls of Sleep" stories, with your "patron" really being more about using occult means to recall your past lives. In the story it's somehow connected to the stars, but I'm not sure how to model that. The spell list is also a mess.

>>47694157
Also maybe degeneracy? Controlling a mix of hedonism and mutations/mental control.

>>47693206
Innsmouth is fine, still a quiet little town, with it's local life, kids, a bit of tourism.
There's also an episode of Fear Thy Neighbors that doesn't really make sense, and isn't showed anymore.

>>47694133
If you read DG well, you know better not to find RG Ash.
Seriously what don't you understand about "evil beyond human measure. This guys doesn't kill kittens on Youtube or beat up their kids. They raise entire families just to have a constant flow of 10 years old virgins to rape and sacrifice JUST to stay fit. They do this for breakfast. They also are the reason behind modern racism, most wars and anything twisted and bad in the "civilised" world.
Remember Nathan Harmati ? Those guys are his BOSS

>>47694484
It's about perspective anon.

>>47694484
I remember reading the segment how Ash is different from the rest of the Bishops in that he's willing to talk, and go into deals of "I stop this particular cult, and you leave me alone, it sounds fair".

From a human perspective, he is quite monstrous. But human morality is meaningless in the grand scheme of the Mythos settings. So his way of living, basically encouraging others to live out and explore their desires is about as much of a legitimate way of living as choosing not to.

But yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere near the rest of the Bishops.

I'll try to find the screencaps from Targets of Opportunity that shows how Roger can be civil.

>>47694032
>>47694081
"The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."

There was a time when we followed our own pitifully human laws, the products of feeble minds, constructing values and restrictions in an attempt to feel safe in this cold universe. That was a long time ago. Now we know the truth, there is nought but creation and life and destruction and chaos. Now the only rule we are devoted to is that of the cosmos and so we create, fornicate, raise our colossal cities until our towers block out the sun, create horrors in order to prove that they can exist, and we burn and slaughter and wage war against anything 'good' or 'beautiful' in this eternal turmoil. One day our lonely sun will extinguish and devour our world along with it, and we will applaud the fires as they seer our flesh from our bones and know that the true rule of the cosmos has been upheld, and like all who know that justice has been done, we shall be grateful.

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>>47694484
Found it.

>>47660508
ghouls know of secret passageways between earth and the dreamlands.

>>47694903
You know, once you accept the premise that things beyond human comprehension are messing on humanity and there's nothing we can do about it, Ash sounds quite reasonable.

>>47695181
Should I remember you that below 00 SAN you are not a player character anymore ?

>>47695708
I'm pretty sure I was never a PC in the first place, anon. Trust me, it's comfier this way.

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>>47689244
>That sounds way too moralistic but I like it outside the context of the mythos.
>King in Yellow, not moralistic
>Not vengeful space Jesus


The King himself literally showed up and spit bible verses at a dude for not paying attention in church. That's canon, that's the MOST canon appearance you get.

People forget that he's not a creation of Lovecraft, the characters of Hastur/King in Yellow arn't Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror stories, they're late Romantic Era characters.

Fucking True Detective didn't help either because they just decided to use the name King in Yellow, but play him as a straight Narlyhotep cult or disintegrating Shubb Niggurath sect.

>>47695989
I'll admit, I only read two pieces from King In Yellow, but I was under the impression that "he" didn't exist, it was just a play with that title.

Derleth did a bunch of shit with him, but the original seemed appropriately cryptic.

>>47695989
I dunno, the idea of stagnation and cultural degradation at least made sense in True Detective.

Though, I still think that's really good source material for a Call of Cthulhu game.

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>>47695708
Why do you think we GM for others? A Forever DM is just someone who hit bottom and bounced at a non-euclidean angle.

Life's more fun when your everyone. Losing all hope is freedom, losing yourself is godhood.

We can do anything now.

>>47695989
Ambrose Bierece was it?

>>47695181
That's what makes him so seductive. He is flat out reasonable, and his sentiments in his opening statement are exactly what I feel.

>>47697782
To add on, I thought it was hilarious when Ash was surprised when told MJ-12 is real.

>>47660315
Y'know, while I really dislike the cosmic good-vs-evil theme that pervades a lot of his work, I really enjoyed The Seal of Rl'yeh.

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>>47695989
Hastur's nature has been unclear from the start, really. Chambers (who wrote "The King in Yellow") borrowed the names Hastur and Carcosa from some other writer, but while the original Hastur was mentioned to be the god os shepherds, in "The King" the passage it gets mentioned in makes it sound more like Hastur is a place. Likely he just liked the name and borrowed it for place name.
Then later Hastur became a Mythos deity with the King in Yellow being his avatar.

On an unrelated (sort of) not, I added some stuff for the pdf. Haven't done anything for the "Polaris" patron (and I might just remove it and rework it as its own thing, like the "Protean" class I made), but I added some cleric domains.

I decided to run with the idea that these domains (aside from the Madness one) are essentially "corrupted" versions of the PHB domains, so I wanted to give them abilities that are similar to the originals. Ideally I'd want all the abilities to be "twisted" version of the originals.
I kind of ran into a problem with the Wilderness one as I can't really think of a any interesting twist on the existing abilities. That might have to be redesigned further.

>>47697696
Robert Chambers, I think.

>>47697893
It's looking great. You do awesome work.

>>47697893
Good works man, thanks.

Especially interested in tempest.

Corrupted storm and see seem amazing.

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Since there's been discussion of Delta Green ITT, I remember some anon mention a Delta Green crossover with the Network, from Utopia. I really like that idea and want to flesh it out. What do you think, /ysg/? I imagine that the Network holds some form of secrets that Man Was Not Supposed To Know. I also imagine that if a mythos creature became okay serious Utopia spoiler Mr Rabbit things would not be good at all.

What do you think? How would you expand it to a full campaign of DG operatives embroiled with nice Network boys?

My mate's going to ask you a question...

>>47698089
>implying Mr. Rabbit isn't Nyarlathotep

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>>47689310
Here's that pdf. Always remember that "canon" is a very loose term when talking about DG and Mythos stuff in general. Don't be afraid to change things if it makes them more interesting, keep the stuff that works, toss the stuff that doesn't.

>>47698089
I've never seen Utopia but from what I understand it has a similar tone to The Laundry? It could be fun seeing the two organizations clash, the deadly serious DG with the lighter Network would make for a nice funny man/straight man dynamic.

>>47698130
I was under the impression that Mr Rabbit is a title for someone who ran the Network, not someone's particular name. Also, I'd rather not have the first ever DG game I run be LET'S KILL A GOD more like, oh shit we've messed with the wrong people.

>>47698233
Not quite. The Network are the type of nice fellas who have absolutely no qualms whatsoever in shooting a school full of children in order to bring a questionable person into their grasp or mercilessly torturing people for information that they may or may not know - in fact, these are everyday things for them. Their goal is...sinister to say the least but I won't say more than that because spoilers.

It's Network style to use family members, loved ones, friends, secrets, etc as leverage against their foes.

I would like to set up the agents to think that they're raiding a slightly dangerous cultist refuge in the country and find...rather upsetting things. Not eldritch, mind. Things like evidence that a recent spate of brutal murders were in fact silencing people who had investigated them. The agents return to their safehouse to contact Alphonse and find two nice men waiting for them, who just want to have a little chat.

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It speaks to the quality of these threads that one of the major developments in Mythos roleplaying has completely passed it by so far.

Pulp Cthulhu is dropping.

Where non squishy heroes with investigator powers face down what previously investigators could only run from.

>>47698310
Most of that stuff wouldn't be out of place in a typical DG operation so at best they would probably treat The Network similarly to how they treat PISCES, at worst MJ-12. It would make for an interesting campaign though, it's always fun throwing in other organizations to remind the players that DG aren't the only ones around who know their shit (kind of).

>>47698373
I'm thinking of it as an introductory game. Something to open the players up to the world of DG.
What do you think?

>>47698310
It's a joke that everyone is Nyarlathotep due to his Masks and shapeshifting abilities.

>>47698422
Ah right. Silly me.

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>>47698406
Do it

>>47698507
Oh fuck you might be one of my players shitting hell Tyler.

>>47698406
Like I said it would be interesting. If I were running it I'd probably introduce The Network as a "these guys do stuff we would NEVER do" antagonist group when the players are new enough to still think DG are simply the good guys fighting the good fight. Again, I don't know anything about Utopia so I can't say how well the two settings would mesh but they seem like a decent replacement for sinister G-Men now that MJ-12 is out of the picture in the updated fluff.

>>47698372
Pulp Cthulhu can be fun but it's definitely not the reason I keep playing Mythos games or coming to these threads.

>>47698589
Thank you.

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>>47698406
>Introductory DG game biting off this much before learning to chew.
Run the early and official DG scenario Convergence. After that, do your thing. My two cents anyway.

>>47698372
My long running DG campaign became very pulpy towards the end and involved de-rezz'ing this massive summoned thing (seriously, why the hell is everyone here so interested in names and stat blocks?) that was lumbering towards Dallas. Despite the parties ridiculous strength and resources someone had to die and they needed the kind of help that can only come from time travelling and preparing a group of teenagers to become the adults who would develop the weapons and tools necessary to remove the threat in the present.

This allowed me to reset the games power level back away from Pulp and back into a proper bit of horror by having the players become the kids. Mind you, I never said the kids had been fated to do this either, if they die the jig is up and humanity is doomed.

It was fun having the players hear on the news about bizarre things from the side of someone who would never know the awful truth. Or when they realized I changed slight details their eyes would go wide, because metaknowledge of time travellers dicking about. They enjoyed it. So did I.

>pic related, to commemorate an early op of theirs.

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>>47698089
The flavors don't mesh well.

Utopia has one conspiracy threatening mankind with industrial science out of paranoia.

Delta Green has countless conspiracies within conspiracies threatening mankind with any of a million ancient relics, spells, entities, or portals out of pure Mythos madness.

Sure you could cross them over. But it would completely undercut the themes of at least one if not both.

A good Utopia game would be a worthy aspiration. The story is solid and wonderfully portrayed, conflicting classic tropes with modern opportunistic characters. The style is flawless in cinematography, editing, soundtrack, actor performance, and screenplay.

For a game that everyone vs everyone else dynamic with temporary alliances should definitely be central. I'm thinking Mountain Witch or Paranoia levels of PvP.

The only real supernatural theme is the effect of some of the pharmaceutical experiments. This is only revealed slowly, but everything is perfectly mundane. I think it's more of an Unknown Armies homo homini lupus est thing than an opportunity to bring in monsters and magic. Reality sure is fragile in Utopia, but that's psychology, not possession. That's what makes it so scary.

>>47697893
Oh nice, I'm glad my domain suggestions were handy.

And yeah, wilderness is probably a hard one to separate from nature, but I wasn't sure what would be a more monstrous equivalent.

Aaand I realised I missed out an equivalent for Light. Although I suppose that would just be Darkness.

>>47698848
>Convergence
Thanks, will do
>>47698854
Fair enough, I totally see your point there, I would, however, really, really like to make an Arby and Lee type duo of lieutenants to whoever the big bad is. (I really, really like Lee as a character because he's such a cunt, but so smooth)

>>47698854
This sounds familiar to some talk from the Unknown Armies threads when people brought up UA/DG crossovers. It seems that other settings can be folded into the DG universe and remain mostly intact but DG doesn't fold in with other universes without the risk of having the cosmic horror fall flat. If you can modify The Network so that it fits within the themes and limitations of DG's setting it'll work fine, just like how when you modify UA to fit with the themes of DG you get The Fate.

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>>47699048
Completely agree.

I think you could rip Arby's tragic story and Lee's smooth psychopathy from Utopia wholesale without creating more than an homage. But I believe much of Lee's appeal is in the filming. He's always framed and timed perfectly. Not sure how to recreate that in an RPG context.

>>47699219
>He's always framed and timed perfectly. Not sure how to recreate that in an RPG context.
Whenever he shows up, describing him from shoes up. His suits are always immaculate, regardless of the context. He's always extremely polite, and always calm.
>And because this is DG, he has a small jar in Arby's yellow bag. And that jar is full of eyeballs.

I can even rip off the "Where is Jessica Hyde?" schtick- an agent hasn't reported in after her mission went presumably well, and has popped off the map. The players are sent as recon to find her and to bring her in, forcefully if necc.
Unfortunately, these boys are looking for her as well, and will stop at nothing to get them.
The only problem is that my group will have some....6 players if everyone is playing. So I'm not too sure how to get them in a vulnerable enough position.

I could take a leaf out of Anton Chigurgh and have the Arby-expy (man, that's fun to say) carry around a cattle stunner. Because setting in rural Vermont would be very fun. There is something quite scary about the gas, though....

>>47696591
You know, that picture takes on an entirely different connotation when you find out that Cosby was basically a walking rape machine all along.

>>47699324
The gas would never work on player characters.

>>47699433
The way I'd use the gas is to have them use it on other NPCs. They wouldn't use it on the players because what the fuck is a JTTF doing in a gas leak?
I imagine, if one of the players decides to bug an office space, along come the boys and they get to hear them interrogate someone, gas them, and leave. Roll 0/1d4 san

>>47699424
It was just funny at one time, and now it is in my /x/ folder.

I've been running CoC vanilla for about a year now, and I'm curious about trying out a DG setting. However, the vibe I get from everything I've seen so far is that it's very much meant to stick with its own mythology. How flexible is it in terms of making adventures/campaigns? Am I always going to have to do something like DG agents vs MJ-12 or one of those other factions? Or are there modules that are more open while still staying in the DG world? I like the idea of this covert ex-military mythos investigation squad, just not so hot on the whole inter-faction intrigue thing.

>>47700510
You can just pick and choose what you want to bring into play.

Think of the organizations as like Great Old Ones. Even if Ithaqua's out there, it doesn't mean your campaign will feature him.

>>47700568
Focus on the little guys, the cultists who help out before swimming with the big guys.

Also do the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods know they are fictional?

>>47701000
Fictional?

You mean like "know they're the dreams of Azathoth," or more 4th wall meta way?

>>47701000
>>47701153
Fictional in the 4th Wall Meta way. I'm betting at least Yog-Sothoth and Nyarly know.

>>47701538
Oh no. CoC may have weirdness, but even it doesn't mess around with the 4th wall like that.

At least not that I've noticed.

>>47701561
I know but the Outer Gods are multiversal, that should allow them to garner an inkling of the truth

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>>47701632

>>47701685
On a PS4, man, I regret nothing.

>>47700510
The whole thing about DG is that even people within DG don't know that much about the mythos or other organizations like Majestic 12, PISCES, or M-EPIC. So if you don't want to use the other factions within your game then don't. If players ask about it OOC then just tell them their characters don't know about those groups. Delta Green is very much "we'll only tell you what we think you absolutely need to know" and even then it will probably only be half truths. It's safer that way.

>>47701632
4th wall breaking is to being with higher consciousness what lolsorandumb is to insanity. Empty, juvenile and a cructh people use to sound witty.

Only in the rarest of cases does it work well and should be left out of any kind of canon.

>>47701815
>>47701895
Thanks, I needed to read your shit opinion twice.

>>47701922
You're welcome.

>>47701946
But seriously, it's a valid opinion. I just wanted to know if it has been done.

>>47701986
There has been some stuff that plays around with it in a subtle manner, like In the Mouth of Madness or Bokurano, but nothing really explicit. Both of those are cosmic horror, but not Lovecraftian.

>>47702074
Ah, huh, I've found something original, joy.