/EDH/ Commander General

What's considered to be ultra budget?

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r8 h8 apprec8

>>47651581
I'd say under 50.
Under 100 is just budget.

Someone post that black Mike list pls so we can argue about shipping costs.

>budget decks
PAUPER EDH, I have a Skyward-Eye Prophets ramp list and a Spellheart Chimera blitz/self-mill list.

>>47651654
Mike is like $20 himself now, that list is irrelevant

>>47651654
>PAUPER EDH
I'm building Warden of the Eye blink deck myself.
The problem is, nobody plays this format around. Going to beg my friends to build one also.

>>47651708
Build two decks from cards you already have and try to get someone to play duel. After that, do it with other people. You're bound to get 3-4 guys on it.

>>47651541
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/427717#paper
Any tips? Edhrec gave me some ideas but most of the card choices were jank as hell.

>>47651581
Under $50 is budget.

>>47651654
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh/
you mean this?

What are some cards like kazandu tuskcaller, and presence of gond that tap for a creature token? They can be mana and tap, as long as it's not too mana expensive.

>one guy in my group runs 40 lands in every single deck
>regardless of colors
>regardless of average CMC
>almost entirely basics
>tried to teach him the importance of mana rocks and utility artifacts like Journeyer's Kite
>fucker doesn't listen ever

This is just infuriating

>>47651759
There are a number of lands that do this

>>47651759
Imperious Perfect
Jungle Patrol
Keeper of the Beasts
Llanowar Mentor
Orochi Eggwatcher
Spawning Grounds
Squirrel Nest

I decided it's time I put together a new deck, and I wanted to go with Orzhov colors, and I wanted to make the theme be about life and death, and taxing other players. Does anyone have any experience with a Black/White deck? I'm not sure if I like the Ghost Council that much, so I think I'll look for a better commander.

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Effect you wish were on a commander.

>>47651853
Vish Kal sounds like a good fit

>>47651866
Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer?

>>47651866
>pauper edh

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Most of my lists are budget till you add the landbase, the game seems cripplingly bad using only basics, guildgates and lifelands
>mfw

>>47652146

I feel like I get on just fine using only basics and lands that come in untapped but are still budget like pain lands, check lands, and the new bfz and shadows over innistrad duals

It's great because the new bfz duals that check for basics are kind of terrible in an optimized manabase but they get more powerful the more basics you run and generally the cheaper your mana base

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>>47651763
>mfw someone in my group only run 32 lands saying the mana rocks total of 3 in deck are what matter

I know he runs armageddon in it but even I feel uneasy running less than 35 land.

>>47651866

Fucking hell. I've been wanting to run that fucker as my commander for fucking ever.

Also, Viskopa Guild Mage. If in could run that bitch as a regular commander, I would be so happy. In fact, I played my PEDH deck with Viz at the head in a real EDH game once and damn near killed everyone.

>>47652415

I run 35 land in every deck, I've found that if I go lower I have too many openers with 1 or less lands, and if I go closer to 40, I flood too often

I also run no less than 8 and no more than 15 ramp effects, it depends on what the deck wants to do

I run 38 land + about 3 mana rocks is most decks, in cheaty decks like jhoira and mayael ill run 36-37, in pretty much every deck that runs green or white ill jave about 5-6 cards that destroy artifacts/enhantments just to kill off t1 or 2 mana rocks if my opponent, knowing they kept a hand based on getting to use their mana rocks then destroying them before they get any use out of them can be crippling

>>47652415
Personally I think CMC is the most important thing. There are great spells that cost 2 or 1 mana, and Timmy's never gonna get to Timmytown with a mana cost of like 5 or 6 on every nonland card

My decks usually round out around 3.5. One costs on average around 4.5, but it's Zirilan so I can poop out Dragons for 3

>>47651541
Fuckin' Brago, so much value.

>>47652639

Yeah, take your avg cmc and then adjust it based on what you do in game, if you're running a reanimator deck, think of your 7 and 8 drop creatures as 1-4 drop reanimating spells in terms of their effect on your mana curve

How should I try to use Diaochan? She looks super interesting but outside of going to edhrec and copying whats there I have no idea how to build her, any advice/secret tech?

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>>47651866

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marchesa-counters-combos-1/

Here's what I can up with: an amalgamation of a couple different combos and synergies. It feels like it's trying to do "too much", and I'm sacrificing or relying too much on Marchesa's built-in protection.

I'm looking to streamline before I commit to any purchases/trades. Budget's not really an issue, though have a back-up recommendation if you suggest anything over $80.

Most of the combos and synergies are listed in the tappedout link, but I'll be going through it to add more soon

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>>47651866

This dude so badly.

>>47651597
mishra?

My meta is pretty ruthless, if you dont have at least some sort of board presence by turn 3 the others will pounce on the weak like lions, if your t1 or t2 play is countered or destroyed you are pretty much out of the game or at least taken to the point where you cant recover and are an easy pick later in the game, we only have 1 Timmy and he playes alot of 1 and 2 drops now along with his krakens

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>>47652860
Takes a bit of effort to make him work, but when he's online his ability is value town.

>>47652820
Go get yourself an Angel's Trumpet and start smacking people

And either Indestructible or Shroud for Diaochan

>>47652860
nether void, and possibility storm type effects allow you to use his ability when the spell gets countered/put on the bottom of your deck

>>47652835
Merieke and Rubinia do this

>>47652935
I just remembered right after I posted it too

>>47652847
Mandatory wasteland, stripmine, ghost quarter, dust bowl encroaching wastes + crucible of worlds LD pack if you can handle some utility lands, its not for everyone but yiu can really poo poo on your opponents plans if you can get rid of their utility or keep them in 1-2 colors

>>47651759
Rhys the redeemed
Trostani if you have another token in play.
Godsire
Bloodline keeper

What colors are you working with?

>>47652891

Why do you need a board presence on turn 3? Can't you just keep answers for whatever your opponents try to do on turn 3?

>>47652891
so what is everyone just getting aggro'd down or are there lots of fast combos?

>>47652891
posts like these make me thankful that my meta is paced well.

There are plenty of occasions where the same happens for my own meta but some hold back because of counters and removal, turning it into mindgames and such.

>>47653048
Only so much you can do wiyh 3 mana against attacks from 3 other players

>>47653198
At least 2 regulars play fast aggro 1 and 2 drops

Do you guys think Godsend is worth running in EDH? That +3/+3 is nice, but I don't think that exile ability would work all that well. I don't think it even works on the commander if it gets send to the command zone instead of exile.

>>47653219
Not every game is over by turn 10, i guess it just depends on the draws/decks but the majority if the games are somewhat fast

>>47653249
why not just play wraths?

>>47653262
Being able to exile their non commander creatures is nice too, hoses alot of decks

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>>47651541
>budget edition
Yay, my favourite. Still working on Iroas budget soldiers with using mainly cards from Elspeth deck and WR born of the gods intro pack.

>>47651654
>>47651708
>>47651866
There should be more love for pauper EDH.
I want to run one of the guildmages but don't really know which one should I choose - Korozda or Vitu-ghazi.
Also, are you allowed to run commanders from illegal sets in pauper like pic rel in your groups?

>>47653262
It works fucking beautifully in M13 Odric. Once his ability is online you can pretty much exile whatever the fuck you want, provided no hexproof or shroud.

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>>47653315
Fug, wanted to post this pic

>>47653262

Well yeah obviously exile effects don't work on commanders, doesn't make exile effects bad

If you mean that you don't expect to exile many creatures with godsend, that's accurate, people will simply choose not to block your godsend creature if they don't have a creature they are willing to throw into exile

And they won't attack if they aren't willing to exile their best attacker (or their best one that can be blocked by your suited up creature)

It's a decently powerful card but there are better equipment cards out there, there are some cheeky combos with it though, vigilance is excellent with godsend, and an effect like Indrik umbra (it exists on a couple other cards I believe) is obviously pretty awesome with it but also magical Christmas land

>>47653272
We do play wraths but you dont always draw one opening hand every game

>>47653368

If you don't draw a wrath (or a tutor for a wrath, or some other effect that stops aggro like ghostly prison) by turn 5-6 (whenever it is that these aggro decks are killing you), then you don't run enough wraths (and other antiaggro measures)

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>>47653262
Lure and lure like effects, nostalgia hard from 4th ed basilisk/cockatrice lure combo

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>>47651541
DID SOMEONE SAY ULTRA BUDGET?

>>47653548
What is this, commander for ants?

Why is mill such a draw for casual players?

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>>47653548
I THINK I HEARD 2-CARD COMBO

>>47653934
Babby's First Alt Win Con

>you tellin me I don't even need to turn my creatures sideways!?

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>>47653954
I'm not sure, but mill players get fucked by me first every time.

>>47654041
Man that Ad Naus art looks more like it belongs to New Phyrexia than it does Shards of Alara

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Worst commanders edition

#Hard Mode# nothing with pre 8th borders
#Nightmare Mode# nothing from kamigawa

Pic related
>that casting cost
>those abilities
>those colors

How do you search by multiple types on magiccards? I can't figure that shit out

>>47653316
Godsend doesn't target.

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>>47654099

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>>47654099
The Future Sight commanders aren't great because Grandeur doesn't really work

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>>47654099
JUST

>>47654210
Ahaha i remember going into the lgs and trading uncommons for this, i needed 15 for a 3d life counter ended up changing my mind and throwing them in the bin, wish i kept one now for the Derpmander format

>>47654264
>Phage
>bad

Nigga there are tons of ways around the trigger

>>47654143
Okay, actually maybe I should just let you know that you have to use proper search syntax for it.
http://magiccards.info/syntax.html
Basically if you want to search for Human Shamans you can do
t:human t:shaman
or
t:shaman t:human

>>47654358
green/10

>>47654210
Man I wouldn't want her as a commander but boy do I love seeing her late game

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>>47654099

>>47654373
Edh was pretty much made for green because every other format is blue.dec

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>>47654099
There are 5 Exalted cards in black.

And Cathedral of War.

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>>47654414
Wew lad

>>47654373
What can I say! I love green...

>>47654414
Not even non land permanents....
Gonna need to edhrec him

>>47651581
under 200

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>>47654438
>EDH was pretty much made for green

>he's never played a Big Red EDH deck

You have not truly lived, anon

>>47654358
Have you got a list for sidisi?

>>47654520
I just checked

It looks like Demons and like every suicide effect that black can offer

>>47654586
Nah :/ are you building???

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>>47654099
The abilities are neat.

The 4BBGG cost is not.

>>47654658
It's only eight. You should be able to get that out turn two or three.

>>47654687
>only eight
>on T2
How anon

Teach me your secrets

>>47654687
>Turn 2 or 3
I would say 3-4 is more realistic, with a BBGG in the cost

>>47654771
You're right, I wasn't thinking about that cause I often play monocolor

>>47654718
Well with that specific mana cost I can't really think of anything off the top of my head that could get it out on turn two expect black lotus, but turn three or four is still definitely possible.

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>mfw the Karador and Meren players are hesitant to sacrifice their own shit
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING GRAVEYARD-BASED COMMANDERS

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>>47654859
C'mon man try harder

>>47654931
HIGHLY SPICY GITROG TECH

>>47654608
I'm thinking about it, just need some inspiration or a theme, got any pointers and must-haves?

>>47654970
What kind of deck do you want it to be? Mine is midrange/ reanimator

>>47654931
I guess it's possible but it doesn't seem super feasible.

>>47654970
Jace's Erasure and similar small-mill effects are important cause her ability triggers, at most, once per mill event. Other stuff to look for: Nyx Weaver does work, new Ezuri is silly with her, Gitrog is good if you're running a higher-than-normal land count.

>>47655022
That definitely sounds like the sort of thing I need to get around the bullshit amount of mass removal my mate throws around, if I could turn that to my advantage that would be great, but if you have some general ideas to throw around I don't mind, thanks.

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>my friends' faces when they realize what Fumiko and Assault Suit do together in my Godo deck

I have realized my dream of becoming a Legion of Doom member

>>47655175
Yeah man I mean basically I run a toolbox list with a birthing pod chain. The majority of the deck is etb creatures and I believe I run 46 creatures and 37 lands to make sure I hit a creature every mill. The Zombies are more or less just to block, and build defence while I mill myself and reanimate fatties. Mill cards like Hedron Crab, Nyx Weaver, and Dreamborn muse can dump thing like a praetor (which I run all 3), Avenger of Zendikar, and Woodfall primus. I run a pretty even chain heavy on dorks then etb creatures to make the pod top notch.

Hope this helps a little

>>47651581
under $200-300 would be budget, so i guess ultra budget is like, under $100?

>>47654718
Nope, best i can get is GGBBB2 by turn 2, 1 off

>>47655533
Where do you get the GG from? 2BB is from land, Dark Rit, Sol Ring I presume

>>47655579
>>47655533
Fuck never mind I misread your post, I thought you meant turn 1 you had 2GGBBB

>>47655377
Thanks, sounds like fun to me, in fact I'd say I'm set on doing sidisi now, one last question though, is it a good idea to run counters? Or is that a waste of time with reanimation?

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>>47655533
>best i can get is GGBBB2 by turn 2
Holy shit,

I even forgot to draw on my first turn (Bubbling Muck is my t2) and I managed GGGGGBBBBBBB

I consider my ezuri deck budget but it clocks in about $380-$400 its mostly the land that costs the most and you can make some easy changes to cut it right down in price

>>47655693
The only counters I run are a mystic snake and a venser. Put the venser on a deadeye and win?

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>>47655715
>tfw you realized afterward that you forget to tap mana for the spell and nobody mentioned it

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>win some game with combos or spicy tech cards in my meta/friends
>every game I'm the initial target until its too late

Make the pain stop

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>>47651541
Rec me a commander based on my current line up.

>>47655715
You say this like it happens on every opening hand

>>47655866

Yeva natures herald

>>47655917
Never saw her before, and dear lord, she turns all your creatures into kill spells.

>>47655897

>Manabond + bubbling muck out 8 mana for sisters of stone death
>path to exile

At least you have more lands in play than anybody else

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>>47655897
>2016
>not starting every game with 5+ mana by turn 2

get a load of this scrub. He's probably too poor to afford even the basic forests in that example

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>>47652847

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How to do the enchantments for these guys? Would it be worth running Curses and sacrificing them for "favors?"

>>47656192
Rancor and Fallen Ideal

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>>47656157
I'm seriously disappointed that actual Marchesa art doesn't look slightly Asian.

She's probably not supposed to, but her garments really give that Asian feel.

>>47656247
They look more like Carnival costumes, which makes sense since Fiora is the Not-Italy plane

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>>47656192
Kev Walker draws the best Goblins

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>>47656269
What country is New Phyrexia supposed to be?

>>47656340
The evil mechanical hell world country

>>47651866
I run this guy with contagion clasp and serrated arrows in my "you just lost to $35 worth of Homelands" deck. Never gets old.

>>47656340
India
>glistening oil = poo

>>47656192
Run with the Theros Ordeals.

We're going to get a Legendary UR Artificer in Kaladesh block, right guys?

Right?

>>47656438
Probably, I predict either Possibility Storm or not!Tinker IE Reshape on a stick.

>>47656504
Cool because I'll be real upset if we don't

I want to be able to run Muzzio, Daretti, Kurkesh and Tezzeret in the same deck with a proper artificer at the helm (Jhoira doesn't count)

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I bought the Newzuri pre made deck and made some changes to it. Its budget made but I got disposable income and am open for suggestions. Already know I could get Vorel and Momir Vig and Kraaj but I need the other juicy cards.

>>47656631
Forgot the link

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/

>>47656649
sage of hours, gyre sage, fathom mage, blighted agent, and maybe a coastal piracy/bident of thassa. Why are you playing sphinx's tutelage?

>>47656649
This is the list im running, do a quick comparison and see what works, i went for a more unblockable route with abit more control

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-03-16-ezuri-claw-of-progress/

>>47656192
works pretty great with phytotitan or some other recurrable creature and Dragon Fangs, Dragon Shadow, and Dragon Breath.

>>47656725
Blighted Agent and Bident are already in there

>Why do you run Sphinx's Tutelage?
Because my group hates that card so it is funny to have in deck

>>47656631
>>47656649

Some proliferate wouldn't be a bad idea, since you're playing with Experience counters, Infect, and the expensive charge counters on Ezuri hatchery. Contagion Engine has a nice control role, as well.

>Go to my LGS for some competitive commander.
>new group of a few young teens there
>see what they are playing
>Daghatar the Adamant
>Munda, Ambush Leader
>Olivia, Mobilized for War
>Kothoped, Hoarder of Souls
>Each deck is "crawwurm.dec".
>Ask if I can join the next game
>Bring out my Derevii stax to show them what a real deck looks like.
>They don't even know what a dual land is.
>Play a few games and win easily.
>They look tired and eventually leave.
>Haven't shown up for a month now.

I hope you all are doing your part and cleaning up your local meta from casual shitters fucking it up.

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>>47656782

>>47656631
>>47656649
Living Hive might be a good curve topper that'll fill you up on experience counters in 1 swing.

>>47656438
We'll get Puhl Inda'loo, Master Mechanic who tutors for a sorcery card whenever it attacks.

>>47656843
New basic land type "urban mana // " street basic land type

Pajeet 'dah street 1UR
Land with phoo counters dont untap during your untap phase
Tap: place a phoo counter on target street
// // Tap: search you library for an artifact with casting cost equal to the number of phoo counters on lands you control

"All this technology and there is phoo everywhere"

2/2

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I have an opportunity to buy 3 born of the gods or 3 fates reforged intro packs and have to pay only 50 for set like this instead of 150.
I'm not playing standard, mainly casual pauper and making my first steps with EDH so it doesn't matter for me how old these sets are. Just want to know which one would be the best for booster gambling

>>47657068
shiet, not born of the gods - I mean journey into nyx

>>47657068
Fates.

You have decent chance of picking up a potential commander.

BoG has pretty lame gods and only few note worthy cards.

>>47652859
oh my god fucking hellkite tyrant
I have wanted to build a deck around this dragonigga so bad

>>47657068
To be honest neither, spend the 50 on commons for pauper or some of the cheap staples for edh

If someone put a gun to your head and said choose, journey all the way, you might get 1 or 2 useable cards

>>47657146
What about Nyx?>>47657086

>>47657086
>>47657146
Still the same answer. Now there are less shit gods. But commons and uncommons are bad. Maybe hope for a Dictate.

>>47657068
>intro packs
Had to read again, thats 6 boosters and a whole bunch of stuff that will not be usable at all
Still vote for journey, mana confluence, scry lands, eidolons, gods, dictates

What does tg think of my GrimGrin deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-15-grimgrin-tribal-zombies/

>>47657339
Yeah, I'm basically paying for 6 boosters like for 5 and gain 180 more or less usable cards

>>47651541
Not budget, but she is my love. On a scale from 1 to Kaalia, how cancerous is it?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kalemne-sitter-of-faces/

>>47657339
Lets compare the sets at the Rare slot with stuff that is worthwhile in commander.

Nyx
Mythics:
>5 Gods
>Ajani

Rares:
>5 Dictates
>2 Scy Lands
>Mana Confluence
>Eidolon of Blossoms
>Bearer of Heavens
>King Macar

Fate Reforged
Mythic:
>5 Tri-color creatures
>Ugin

Rare:
>5 Tri-colored Khans
>5 Dragons
>5 Sieges
>Crux of Fate
>Shamanic Revelation

>>47655299
Wait, what does this combo do? I assume Godo fishes Assault Suit which goes on Fumiko, and you can force everyone else to wipe each other out before double-attacking into defenseless enemies?

>>47653954
the challenge and denial abilities. I run a circular mill deck the only thing is that all mill is exile mill. almost never wins but it's one hell of a good time to play.

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>>47657365
these two cards might help with your creatures connecting and lands/general entering ready to rumble

>>47657365
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-15-grimgrin-tribal-zombies/
Since Grimgrin already doesn't untap, have you considered adding Winter Orb effects?

>>47657599
*Circu, the lobotomist...

>>47655941

Also you can avoid the risk of over committing to a board before a board wipe, just flash in creatures at the end of turn

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>>47656247
What the fuck is up with that pinkie finger?
I understand it's suppose to be pointing towards you, but fuck. It looks like she got her hand caught in a snow blower

>>47657640
Amulet of Vigor seems really nice, but I usually try to combo out with blood artist or vengeful dead before I try to smash face. Filth seems to be the same route of creatures smashing faces. I just don't know if it would be worth it to slot something out that could help my combo for a agro route advantage card.

>>47657667
Any suggestions of such cards? My meta is very land heavy with a seedborn muse in almost every deck I play against so winter orb would only hinder me.

>>47656782
I know this is a troll but i kinda agree.
This casual mindset just teaches people to bitch and not improve.
Am I the only one that want to have a challenging game?

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>>47654099
I got you covered bro

>>47658196
In a block filled entirely of poop, this guy finds the poop with the most worms

>>47656631
doubling season and parallel lives

>>47657365
>34 lands
>3 mana rocks
>Average CMC 3.43
>No Islands
>No land ramp

Expedition Map for Dat Urborg
Burnished Hart
Myriad landscape
1-2x Islands at least, God forbid someone casts Wave of Vitriol.
Nythos

>>47658155
If you want to have a challenging game, play with people that build challenging decks. Don't encourage behavior that aborts new players from edh because they play on a lower level than you do. We all played battlecruisers/crawwurm decks once.

>>47657729
>>47657599

Have you considered oona over circu? They both exile cards off the top, but oona can go infinite as well as give you chump blockers that are also fliers.

I really like circu, it's a shame he is inherently weak in a singleton format.

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>>47658196

Anything but Anthousa

Honestly I'd rather go for any of the shit "legends" legendary creatures over her. I'd run Boris Devilboon in a heartbeat over anthousa. Give me a vanilla legendary over that sack of shit

Why isn't Kiki-Jiki "goes infinite as soon as it resolves" Mirror Breaker banned?

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>>47655299
Nice, can you post a list or at least some tech? I'm looking for improvement. This one is mine:
>>47651735

>>47652820
Indestructible, pro-red, and shroud of course. I also run phoenix creatures that have built-in recursion, and damage-based board wipe.

Also, never forget the politics of who you give the second half of the ability to. It's always more relevant than you think.

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>that feel when you spend over a month meticulously crafting a commander deck and it's crap
>honestly it's so bad that you almost give up magic entirely
I'm a little salty, I tried my best and it's fucking terrible, worse than if I just slapped some random things together.

>>47658837
What did you try to build?

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>>47658837
>that feel when you open edhrec and copy paste the entire page of a commander into word then take out the most expensive stuff to drop it to 100 cards and order them online

>>47658847
The Mimeoplasm. I'm going to burn that stupid motherfucker, what a bullshit waste of time. It either does absolutely nothing or everyone instantly scoops. It's just way too inconsistent, I couldn't even beat a deck thrown together with fucking assorted red and blue commons. I'm just going to make mono black infect because fuck fun.

>>47658865
Oh, you think that's a good idea, because that's exactly what I did. I meticulously studied, analyzed and asked the internet for help, then wound up with a giant steaming turd.

>>47658865

I literally did this with my olivia voldaren 1.0 BR vampires deck, havent won a game but the deck is sexy as hell

>>47658881
Going to need a deck list, i have a memeoplasm deck and it works fine

>>47654210
>acceptable body for CMC, with evasion
>protects itself from a few threats like fight and blasphemous act
>late game provides an overcosted fog effect

She's not good, anon, but she's not the worst thing. Has her merits. Honestly, if she were white green, she'd be very solid.

>>47658899
Sure, it's been posted here and generally people were positive about it, which just proves that 9/10 people on /tg/ have no idea what they're talking about with regards to magic.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/assembled-from-the-grave/

>>47658865
Tried this with 8.5 Tails, stared at the list for a while, and started over. Never regretted it. Sometimes the internet lies.

>>47658913
Seems like its doing too much at once, need to focus on big fatties that you toss in the trash then cheat them into play, is should be closer to reanimator/counterspells.dec

I can upload my list when i get home a little later

>>47658913
really? because there is some serious garbage in here

>>47658997
Yes really, which is why it's so fucking frustrating to ask for help. Like I said, this deck was so bad it almost made me give up on magic completely. If my girlfriend wasn't so level headed I would have sold my entire fucking collection yesterday.

>>47658988
Nope, I'm over that shit. I have no interest in 3 colour decks. I'm reassembling my xenagos and skithyrix and that will be that.

>>47659025
most people in these threads are turbo casuals so asking them for advice really isn't doing you much good

>>47657890
Its fancy schmancy

>>47656565
You want mishra but good? Impossubur.

>>47659038
Oh I realized. They're those degenerate meta-hipster douches who enjoy googling things and acting like they know what they're talking about, while simultaneously jerking off like 15 stupidly expensive cards that are clearly broken. Fuck I'm so salty.

You seem less turbo casual than most, what do you run? I have no idea what's good and what's not good any more after a month of this bullshit.

>>47659079
I don't personally run Mimeoplasm but I am familiar with this kind of deck, give me a bit to look over your list and figure out what I'd like to change. Should I suggest budget cards?

>>47659095
I don't want to run Mimeoplasm anymore. It left a very bad taste in my mouth and I'm pretty bitter.

I recently picked up a Uril, but three colour decks are kind of iffy in my opinion after this fiasco. Maybe something B/W or B/G would be neat, but I wouldn't mind sticking to something like W/B cantrips. Hell, I'd even be okay with something monocoloured.

You don't even need to suggest budget cards, I have around $1500 in assorted neat things from nyx to shadows, including some fancy MM15 things, I just want something that's actually good.

>>47659152
>>47659095
>W/B Cantrips
I meant W/U, holy fuck.

Actually, thank you for just taking a look, like I said, I'm just abnormally salty as of late.

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>>47659152
>>47659170
Sorry I misread, my decks are pic related. Lists for the better decks:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-03-15-ghave-guru-of-counters/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/be-advised/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-01-15-wonderful-wizards/

I'll just go over what was wrong with your Mimeoplasm deck rather than giving you a list of cards to cut/add:
You went a little too deep on the +1/+1 counters aspect of his ability. Generally the more broken decks like this just pick a massive creature + one with broken abilities and call it a day. Instead of using cards like Mycoloth and Kalonian Hydra you use Death's Shadow and Phyrexian Dreadnaught to buff his P/T while gaining the abilities of an Inkwell Leviathan(for protection/evasion), Jin-Gitaxias(if you think they don't have an answer), or Massacre Wurm(if you want to answer an opposing token army or board).

Another problem is that you used a lot of inefficient self mill engines to get cards into the graveyard(grave stength, drown in filth, sudden relcamation) rather than good draw engines(frantic search, thirst for knowledge, compulsive research) which allow you to discard the creatures you want while drawing you extra cards

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>>47657569
>P-please respond

I'm the purple box. Black box was telling me today that the deck is bullshit to play against.

>>47659244
It seems pretty fine to me, nothing too unfair going on from what I've seen

>>47659232
Thanks for the advice, I see what you're saying, but I think it's beyond salvaging so I'm going to just scrap it.

After a quick scan, I'm pretty close to having the parts for that ghave deck and wonderful wizards one, but I think the general strategy is to just sink a shitload of money into a colour, buy up all the good cards in that colour with synergy, and slap them into a deck. Not to diminish anything, but in terms of my collection I don't have basic things like a force of will, or a dirty mike because I haven't been collecting for that long.

Now, based on that idea, I can probably run a moderately high level artifact deck of some variety. I have a Kuldotha Forgemaster, most of the good Myr, a Semblance Anvil, Strionic Resonator, most of the parts from that Darrietti artifact precon. I also have a heartless hidetsugu so something R/x or even mono red might fit, but then I know I need to pick up a blood moon and wheel of fortune to make things viable.

>>47659382
no problem man, always happy to help

uploaded my mimeoplasm anyway because ive been meaning to do it, it works most of the time, the ezuri and meren are experimental currently and ill probably replace them after some testing

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/memeoplasm-reanimator-1/

would this ever work?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ashling-eats-you/

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>>47651541
We made a deal with our playgroup to create a under 50€ decks, and I made Wrexial.
It has all kinds of jank, like Manic Scribe. It also has Baneful Omen, which is absolute garbage.
It's Lovecraft-themed, and I think it's somewhat faithful. Mind you, I don't run awful cards either, like Cosmic Horror, which I used to run previously.

>>47654718
T1
Land, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Sol Ring, Golgari Signet, Gilded Lotus
T2 Mana Vault stays tapped, Land drop and there you go.

>>47656371
post dik
I need it, and to finish Tazri, Mannichi, Zada

>faggot Spike acting super pissy that an unfocused budget version of one of the format's most powerful decks doesn't work
Absolutely incredible

>playing mtg irl
>budget decks
>not just playing online for free when it's the same thing minus the autism

>>47654041
How is that 2 card combo?

>>47654477
That's really not a bad body for a 6 cmc. Just do black voltron or something man fuck if I know

>>47660126
Playing EDH online is fucking awful

>No beer
>No pizza
>No table bantz
>No high-fives all around when someone makes a crazy play
>No mercilessly mocking someone when they fuck up only to have them come back and pull off an asspull win

>>47660127
>Exploit
>Search for Ad Naus
>Cast Ad Naus
>Go nuts

>>47660143
Yeah maybe I can agree on EDH because the mad you can get irl with trolling EDH decks you won't get online, not for the rest.

>>47660148
So what, make your entire deck 39 cmc total so you can grab everything and make yourself a massive target as you show your combos?

>>47660148
I don't think you know what a combo is.

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Anyone here running a budget monocoloured deck? I'm looking to try and build something neat and cheap, but maybe something I can upgrade in the future.

>>47660175
Yes
>>47660198
You're right

>>47660010
>>47656371
Speaking of $35 Homelands deck, I'm gonna make an Ice Age/Homelands/Fallen Empires/Alliances deck for some shitty Legend from Legends.
Either I build Ramses Overdark (sick art), Ur-Dragon (sick art), Livonya Silone (sick art), or Jerrard of the Close Fist (flavour text).
Or maybe I should go with sick art tribal. Just the absolute best of old art (and new if there's anything new and good).
Which legend, and sweet art tribal or shit set tribal. Either way I'm gonna try to keep it inexpensive to contrast my Daretti moneystack

>>47660344
Do art tribal

Make sure you run Phil Foglio cards

How does EDHREC work? Are the cards listed by the ones that synergize best, or are they the most popular to include with that commander?

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>>47660175
>39
Just 2 as long as you're a bad enough dude

>>47660373
Aight, but which commander of the ones I listed?
I already have a shitton of red decks, and Ur-Drago and Overdark have great art, do I go with RKF or Rush?

>>47660414
Technically that's at least a 42-card combo but I think the point stands

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>>47660413
>"Signature" cards have a high percentage of being in a specific commander's deck BUT NOT in decks of a different commander in the same colors.
>This is noted by the middle percentage under a card, which is the difference in percentage over the play rate of that card in other decks of the same color identity.

>"Top" cards have a high percentage of being in a specific commander's deck AND in decks of a different commander in the same colors.
>This is noted by the left percentage under a card, which is how often this card is played with this commander.

>So... "Top" cards are commonly "good stuff" cards that are staples of those colors, but also go well with a certain commander. "Signature" cards are more specific to individual commanders.

>>47660430
RKF

>>47660443
Super helpful, thanks anon! So, assuming I don't have a full list of "signature" cards for a particular commander, it sounds like my best bet is to just invest in the top cards because they're generally goodstuff, right?

>>47660414
Don't you need a creature to exploit?

>>47660495
Sidisi is a creature

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>>47660344
Soraya the Falconer

Mother
Fucking
Falcon
Tribal
With
Mother
Fucking
Banding

>>47660520
Didn't realize it worked like that. That's really fucking cool.

Is anyone running a half decent rakdos, lord of riots deck I could take a peak at? A lot of stuff on EDHREC and tappedout seem a little inefficient, or maybe that's just the way rakdos is meant to be played?

>Guys at my LGS want to play some EDH
>Someone is using Purphoros
>Tell them I'm not playing
>They call me a faggot
>LGS owner borrows my deck to play
>Purphoros burns everyone to death and nobody enjoys the game

Well would you fucking look at that.

>>47651541
my voltron narset deck was under 50$ and pretty much crushes any casual deck

>>47660572
All the eldrazi/big bad artifact creatures and a whole butload of damage everything effects

>>47660572
I had a good Rakdos deck a while back. I ended up taking it apart because it's basically just a boring combo deck. You land Rakdos, vomit fat bastards, and your opponents probably lose because they can't answer them. The deck consists of two parts, 1) things that enable you to cast Rakdos, and 2) huge fat cunts. For you to run anything beyond these, it has to be insanely powerful like Demonic/Vampiric Tutor or Phyrexian Arena. My enablers were things like Gut Shot, some 2-3 mana guys that pinged everyone at my upkeep, Honden of Infinite Rage, shit like that. Gatherer knows. My personal favourite play was Sidisi, tutor Artisan of Kozilek, play it for free, reanimate Sidisi, tutor something else. It's like she comes with a free 9/9 annihilator 2. The dream play is something like:

>T1
Vampiric Tutor something you need
>T2
Greaves
>T3
Lobber Crew
>T4
Tap Lobber Crew to deal 3, cast Rakdos which untaps Lobber Crew, tap Lobber Crew to deal 3, Greaves Rakdos, swing, cast Kozilek, Ulamog, It That Betrays, Void Winnower, and Blightsteel.

But honestly it stops getting enjoyable when you realise that there's no middleground in the deck. You either go off early and crush everyone, or sit there slowly topdecking land until you reach 6 so you can start playing things. And Rakdos isn't that kind of deck that you want to be running 35+ land in.

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>>47660572
>tfw I want to run one of the Rakdos as a Commander for a Devil/Demon tribal
>not happy with anything I can really muster
Red/Black Demons and Devils leave alot to be desired unless you don't mind nearly killing yourself (which is sort of the purpose of them sort of,) or you don't mind throwing in some eldrazi to carry the deck. Of course, limiting myself to tribal stuff is probably why I'm having an issue.

>>47660630
>>47660635
You both hit on things I thought Rakdos would enable. I have pretty much a full set of Eldrazi Titans + Blightsteel Colossus and I was thinking that Sire of Insanity would be a pain in the ass in that deck.

That being said, I'm looking for something consistent. It sounds to me like it's going to be a little wishy-washy, but my bar is set pretty low. As long as it can beat an average casual-deck-that's-slightly-better-than-a-precon it might be worth while.

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>>47660594
>Tell them I'm not playing
>loses anyway
>to Purph

You sure showed them, pal!

>>47660664
Well, at the height of his power my Rakdos deck could take down anything at my LGS, including the Prophet-using UG tryhards. Honestly Void Winnower is one of the most powerful cards in EDH and no one realises it. It's an Iona that everyone can run. You can't wrath because everyone runs 4 mana wraths, you can't Cyclonic Rift, you can't drop Consecrated Sphinx or Deadeye.

>>47660684
What? I didn't play because I knew it'd be a shit game, so the LGS owner borrowed my deck and played instead of me. No one enjoyed the game, so I was right.

>>47660686
Do you have a list I could take a peak at? I'm pretty intrigued. It's down to either a rakdos fattie dump, or a colourless Newlamog party, and I think your suggestion is pretty good.

>>47660698
I don't have a list, but if you came up with your own it'd probably be very similar. Just don't skimp on the land you use, because Rakdos is a hungry boy. I'd recommend not using fetchlands too just because the filtering may cause you to miss drops. And it's an excuse to not spend money on fetchlands. The bounceland is pretty legit though since you only need 3 land drops to reach 4 mana with it. If you made a list I'd be happy to tell you what's shit in it.

>>47660725
Sure I'll post one in a couple of hours, hopefully it's half decent.

>>47660686
You can drop Chaos Warp or Blasphemous Act though

RED WINS AGAIN

>>47658678
Because he costs RRR2, requires an untap outlet, and fizzles to any removal or fog?

Seriously. git gud

>>47651597
Mr. Mono Color
based

>>47658865
>that feel when you spend your work day looking for super spicy tech for your pet deck

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>>47651866

Need suggestions for my deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-06-16-simic-mana-ramp/

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>tfw just kneejerk bought my friend Sage of Hours for Newzuri because owed him some money and I knew it was good tech
>realized too late what I had done

I'm hoping he doesn't figure it out.

>>47661145
It was a card that only meant trouble.

>>47661048
play safi lmao

>>47651866
>playing against Skullbriar

Why is the lightning rager token double faced? So you can do different alters on each side?

>>47661574
So it doesnt end up back in your deck.

>>47661220
Safi isnt at all like sun titan
-not repeatable
-creature only
-no etb
-not a 6/6 with vigilance
I would know because my Selvala deck combos saffi with sun titan all day long. its really a thing of beauty.

>>47656782
My meta has one dude who runs decks with cards like Mishra's Workshop, Tabernacle, and the Humility/Moat combo. Not going to lie, those have been my most enjoyable games in trying to think around how to beat them.

Back with:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ramses-overdark-inexpensive-edh/
I went through Alliances, The Dark, Ice Age, Coldsnap, and Legends and picked the cards that had good art that didn't completely suck. I'm probably missing a bunch of good art, so if anyone can recommend or help I'd be grateful.

>>47661702
If you're willing to extend a bit I've always loved the art on Morifen and Gallowbraid

>>47661702
>sweet art tribal
>Amnesia
???

>>47661778
I'm just getting a list of cards first, then I'll cut it down to a deck that might function

>>47661806
Dude Amnesia is pretty sick
Although it is sick, and maybe not as sweet as it could be

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/draw-fast-and-die-hard/
My playgroup is stepping their shit up, and I need to make this faster. Is there anything I could or should remove?
Win-con is basically either mill with Sphinx or Psychic Spiral with Enter the Infinite shenanigans, Lab Maniac/Leveler, or just swinging to the face with Stormtide. I feel like I could get away with using only 36 lands, but I'm not sure.

>>47656782
Most new commander decks are just a legend that people crack in a pack and then draft/pack fodder. A lot of my friends' decks are like this

Though they have started to buy singles and their decks are much better as a result

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What's the general opinion on this card?

>>47661948
It's a 1 mana tutor for any basic land, pretty good.

>>47661948
An early game card that is still useful in the late game thanks to that delirium.

>>47661870
How exactly does Tutelage work with your general?

>>47662007
It's more for when I don't or can't safely have my commander out, plus I think I pack enough unsummon type cards to make it generally worth having. It's probably the first to go if I decide on putting something else in.

I want to build original Rakdos, is he viable?

>>47662856
he's bad but it's fun giving him double-strike and double-defiling whoever

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-stop-screwing-with-the-graveyard/

R8 h8 and any suggestions for more competitive play

>>47663225
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-stop-screwing-with-the-graveyard/
>31 lands
>random cards like doubling season and corpsejack menace

I'm not even sure what this deck is trying to do, it looks like a bit of a mess to me.

>>47663225
You need around 36-38 lands in my opinion.

It almost seems like you are going for a token strategy, why not try a commander that works well with tokens in golgari.

Nath, perhaps?

>trying to perfect a dakkon blackblade build
>it has become a giant money pit, early attempts to shoehorn in human tribal have failed
>still need to pick up a set of swords, jitte, and a batterskull
>deck is now just a pile of esper good stuff, so far from my original vision

>>47662856
Assault suit, and some enchantment in red that forces him to attack

>>47663629
That's just too fucking spicy

Gets around Sigarda's ability too

>>47663629
Thank you, that's perfect.

>>47663883
Fumiko would work for this

Just make sure you use Crawlspace to protect yourself from the rest of the active player's board when Rakdos attacks

>>47663327
Yeah, I had a bit more of a focus when I was first changing it but now it just feels like a mess. I've been looking around and it seems like people use her as more of a way to abuse etb effects and run oppressive cards like grave pact

>>47662856

enjoy sitting there doing nothing after your sac half your permanents for nothing

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>>47651541
>Show us your ultra budget but competitive generals.
All these posts and no one has posted pic related GOAT-tier ultra budget general? For shame, faggots, for shame.

>>47663629
Grand Melee? Also stuff like Darkness to prevent getting fucked by Rakdos's trigger when he hits you?

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I'm struggling with my Kalemne deck ideas, they all feel so cluttered and unfocused. Do you guys have tips, tricks or example decks to look at? She looks deceptively linear but I always struggle at balancing the fatty, voltron and token elements. General Boros goodies are also appreciated.

>>47664518

you cant be attacked by rakdos when it has assault suit on, he can only attack your opponents

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Post pet commanders

This guy was and remains at the helm of my first "real" deck (built with actual good cards and not pack fodder, not a modded precon) and it is still my favorite deck to play. Been tweaking it forever and it's just about to where I want it

>>47664652

>token elements

tokens do not synergize with kalemne, nor do they synergize with voltron strategies

>>47664652
>>47664652
I would guess your problem isn't balance but a lack of card draw/card parity that leads to inconsistency. Try adding cards like Faithless Looting, Wild Guess and Tormenting Voice.

What are some fun things I can do with Endrek Sahr? I don't have particularly awesome commanders monoblack creatures, so right now it's a toss up between him and Sidisi.

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>>47664694
my boy Rafiq, always and forever

>>47659835
I have wanted to do a Lovecraft themed deck with Wrexial, got a list?

>>47664806

>disgusting extended art alters

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>47664704
My apologies I read her effect wrong and thought she was an anthem. This will help me clear up the deck though, thanks.

>>47664824
gatherer is down so I just pulled the card right next to it on google image

>>47664909

REEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone have any suggestions for a low average CMC deck that's relatively consistent?

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>>47664920
To apologize heres a big version of best art :0)

>>47664972
Probably Jori En/Talrand/Noyan Dar cantrip.dec

>>47664972
Isamaru+every white 1-drop ever printed.

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>>47664694
He is one of the most self-contradictory commanders in one of the weaker color combinations, but I love him.

>>47665118
>R/B
>B
>weaker color combination

What?

>>47665132
Everybody likes to jerk off over black and mono black, but black mostly gets love from competitive EDH as a combo color. If you're not planning on running tutorcombo.dec then your only other option is to basically play graveyard stuff, which is the most easily hated out strat in the game.

Jund, mardu, and grixis are all amazing combinations because they have a way to answer anything and multiple win conditions. Red/black is the only color combination that can't effectively win through a rest in peace.

Most of the overlap in red/black comes from aggro cards that are shitty in a multiplayer format and graveyard/discard stuff. If you want to go the latter route and want to stick to two colors, GB is pretty much strictly better.

>>47663898
How do I reliably get the Assault Suit?

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>>47651866
Oh the things I would do...

>>47663898
>>47665239
Oh right, black. Never mind.

>>47665283
Why the hell wasn't this a legendary?

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>>47664694
See >>47664366 for one of my pet commanders. Also, pic related.

>>47660465
Depends on commander, people like to run cards that have a cool/weird synergy sometimes but otherwise are utter trash.

>>47654718
>>47655533
>T1: Forest, Exploration, Swamp, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt
>T2: Forest, Swamp, Sisters of Stone Death

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>>47653333
I am formally checking those quads

Good ideas for bait cards? Stuff that will always take a kill spell as soon as it touches play but can be good if it stays, like Debtor's Knell for example

>>47665546
spellskite dies seconds after it enters the field

leyline of anticipation

Quick silver amulet.

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New(ish) to MTG (about a year playing). Play in s small group of coworkers mostly. Been playing mostly aggro but decided to try something else with Mizzix. Been looking over various decks on tappedout.

Can someone please explain to me the exact workings of reiterate + seething song/turnabout producing tons of mana.

Like, I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the stack, so a step by step explanation would be REALLY appreciated.

>>47665877
Jesus Christ are you also just a morongutang or what like how do you THINK it works

First let's take a look at what the cards do.
Reiterate
Buyback {3} (You may pay an additional {3} as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.)

Copy target instant or sorcery spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.

Turnabout
Choose artifact, creature, or land. Tap all untapped permanents of the chosen type target player controls, or untap all tapped permanents of that type that player controls.

Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell with converted mana cost greater than the number of experience counters you have, you get an experience counter.

Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost {1} less to cast for each experience counter you have.

Basically you need a Mizzix with a few counters. Tap your lands to add mana, cast turnabout to untap your lands. Hold priority, cast Reiterate with buyback. Let the copy resolve, untapping your lands. Then you play Reiterate with buyback again. Repeat ad nauseam.

>>47665877
>>47665877
When you cast a spell, it goes on the stack. Starting with you yourself, each player at the table gets priority to also cast spells (or do other shit) while yours is on the stack. spells cast in response will similarly go on the stack, and resolve before yours. 99% of the time when you cast a spell you aren't one of the people doing stuff in response. For example let us assume you are lightning bolting some dudes commander. You would cast the bolt and pass priority cuz you just want it to resolve before you do other shit. But your opponent could cast giant growth on their commander in response to save it. But suppose you have reiterate in your hand and you wanna kill two peoples generals? You cast bolt, don't pass priority (in those rare cases where you actually do something in response to your own thing, we say you "hold priority"), so don't look at your resident blue player and ask if it resolves (he doesn't have priority yet), and you cast your reiterate targeting your lightning bolt.

So to go infinite with seething song you cast seething song. Song is on the stack. You hold priority and cast reiterate with buy back. If nobody counters your shit, reiterate resolves and makes you like 20 mana or whatever. Seething song is still on the stack. Repeat step two as many times as you want. You now have as much mana as you want.

Abandon old thread.
>>47666424
>>47666424

>>47664704
Tokens are pretty bad offensively for Voltron but they provide a decent defense against sac removal. White also has mentor of the Meek to fuel that color pairing's horrendous access to card draw. Odric 2.0 + Kalemne is fun too with tokens. Depending on what's in the deck, anon could devote some slots to a sub-theme.

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>>47664694
I just love her so much. She's such a qt.

>>47659079
I know nothing about budget because I mostly play online, and while Mimeoplasm is one of my favorite commanders, you have to play him as fatty combo or he's as fucking casual as it gets. You never want to copy Mulldrifter or get +2/+2, ever. Running it is fine if you've filled out the rest of your fatties and graveyard insertions, and it dies to graveyard hate faster than you can cast Sol Ring.

Commanders I find genuinely fun even without turbobroken cards:
- Jhoira, unless your playgroup thinks you're super Spike. Jhoira can do broken as well as she does fun. Chaos Jhoira is best.
- Marchesa. God damn you cannot fuck up a Marchesa deck. Play creatures, play spells that reduce your own life, play a few politics cards that require votes and run ETB effects. Throw creatures at whoever has the highest life total until they don't.

- Any shitty low-cost commander, such as Tymaret. Being able to drop them early and having a single thing that you can do means two things: you're rarely seen as a threat until AFTER the Dictate of Eberos drops, and if you like combos, you can try your best to pack a deck with similar ones and win when no one is looking. Or you can make everyone ELSE suffer with discard, life loss, and other such effects. Unless your meta is one of those super competitive "I want to combo out within the first six turns because fun", this will work.

Oh, and my personal recommendation? Try getting a Jund or Grixis landbase together. It doesn't need to be super fancy, but Jund infect (Infect + Bloodrush + Haste + Trample + As much aggro as you can fit) is good, and Marchesa is good.

>>47659152
Oh, and consider picking up Meren or Newzuri. Meren in particular is pretty good if you're looking for graveyard stuff in less colors.

>>47659382
Get yourself a Hellkite Tyrant and possibly a Mycosynth Lattice ASAP for red artifacts. You might not need the second one, but Hellkite Tyrant is an unexpected bomb that can win out of nowhere.

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Are the prebuilt commander decks sold by WotC any good?

>>47666849
Yeah.

I can't decide whether to go zur doomsday or zur solitary confinement for my next deck. I am planning to make the deck to be as powerful as possible but I don't know which is better

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So, /tg/, what are your favorite pet cards and why? To be clear, I'm talking about a card that isn't used commonly either in your commander, in your colors, or at all- such as my current favorite pet card, Pyxis of Pandemonium.

You'd think it would get immediate hate, but in every game I've played so far, people are hesitant to blow up artifacts unless it hasn't picked up steam. Having six or more cards completely removed from your library and the possibility of them all entering is too tempting- I've had players quite literally use up cards to steal it, just so they could crack for 7 and trigger the mass entering. It can shift boardstates wildly and is fantastic against players who just stuffed a bunch of counterspells and instant/sorceries in their deck to try and combo off, since they're getting less out of it.

>>47660748
Not the anon you were talking to but I too play Rakdos and have a pretty good list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-05-15-rakdos-edh/ its missing vamp tutor, gamble, toxic deluge and sneak attack because im waiting on EMA releasing.

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>>47666991
No tricks, no combos. Just play the card. Choose ten. Luck be a lady.

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>>47664694
>Wait, what the fuck is a whitemane lion
>huh, saltskitter? What's it do

Love that deck so much, it durdles around before winning the game with sun's champion or sacred mesa/heliod tokens.

The hatebears make people butthurt, I once had a player wrath the board on turn 4 just because his first turn was land, sol ring, signet and go. I played Kataki on my 2nd turn and just laughed.

Other cards in that deck that are called "unfun":

>peace keeper
>linvala
>suture priest (vs token decks or decks trying to make infinite creatures/cloudstone curio shit)
>stony silence
>meddling mage

>>47668746
Do you have a decklist? I'm interested to see how this looks