MTG Modern General

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The overall Modern Metagame.

Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml

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>>47616502
this format is bad and you should FEEL bad

>>47616491
>>47616491

>>47616502
i havent seen junk in like a fucking year. what happened to that deck?

>>47616922
its called Abzan now

>>47616953
it doesnt matter if it has two names i haven't seen the deck at all locally and it used to be fairly popular. never read about it here either.

>>47616502
>Playing?
infect, grixis teachings
>Brewing?
pauper thresh
>Next MTG Purchase?
sideboard cards for whatever pauper deck o decide to play at the starcity event coming up. playset of tarmogoyfs, they're the only non-dual land I'm missing for legacy rug delver. just got my living situation sorted out, so now I'm free to pick them up this month.

>>47616502
>Playing?
Jeskai Nahiri, Grixis Midrange, Kiki-Chord
>Brewing?
Jeskai Nahiri Kiki Combo
>Next MTG purchase?
EM Force of Wills

>>47616502
Jesus fucking Christ, Emrakul is horrifying! What the fuck they were thinking?

Anyone have the new meme deck with Sundial of the Infinite in it?

>>47616979
That just because Jund is better, and seeing as the decks have so much overlap when it comes to what cards they run, my bet is that all the memezan players jumped ship and joined the jund master race.

>>47617350
is phage the untouchable finally playable?

I am looking for 2 or more decks which are balanced against each other to play against my girlfriend. How do I find something like this?

>>47618319
buy a duel deck u dingus

>>47618319
>>47618380
yeah, ya dingus

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>>47618380
is this modern playable now?

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>>47616502
>Playing?
Played RG Tron a few weeks ago. Barely won most of my games, so I probably won't play that again for the rest of the year.

Lat Friday, I played Jeskai Nahiri. Went 4-0. Good times. Will play again sometime.

Next up: Eldrazi, Infect or Jund.

>Brewing?
Nothing. There's plenty to choose from.

>Next MTG Purchase?
EMA foils.

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>>47618540
oh shit super secret tech for the red land destruction deck

>>47616772
Gravecrawler, Diregraf Colosus, Death Baron and some form of selfmill.

Prized Amalgam and Diregraf Captain could work very well if you are willing to go U/B.

Geralf's Masterpiece and Skab Ruinator could work wonders here, they are a couple of hidden gems people havent figured how to use yet.

That and Glimpse the Unthinkable and you should be golden.

You could even add green and put some dredge up in there, Life from the Loam, Golgari Grave Troll all work great here. Then, with so much self mill, you could even play the Gitrog Monster as a control finisher.

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>>47616772
Also
>Golgari Thug
>Ghoultree
>Jarad, Lich Lord
>Lord of the Undead
>Louthleth Troll
>Unbreathing Horde
>Vengeful Pharaoh
>Forgotten Creation

Sultai Zombies really has a lot of nice toys to play around with.

>>47616502
I have the card on the left, what should I do with it?

>>47620429
Nothing.

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>>47620782
Thanks anon I'll be sure to do that right now! thanks again for such an insightful comment, so rare these days, wow just wow #Blessed

Hello, I'm new to Magic, I've been only playing Magic: duels. But there's still something about rules i don't comprehend. When blocking with multiple creatures, which creature is first to take damage?
An example: enemy is attacking me with 5/5 creature. I'm blocking it with 4/4 and 1/2 creatures. Which of my creature is dying and why?

>>47620956
your enemy decides where the damage is assigned when you block it with multiple creatures, so he can assign two to the 1/2 and the rest to the 4/4, or four to the 4/4 and one to the 1/2; basically, just block with shit you're willing to lose or you know cant die

>>47620981
I see, thanks.

>>47620829
You're welcome, my man. Glad I could tell you what you shoul do with your card.

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Would True-Name Nemesis be enough to make Merfolk (actually) Tier 1?

>>47621114
Merfolk would need affinity to stop existing to be tier 1

>>47621127
While still bad, Affinity becomes a much easier match post-board. I win about half the sets I play against Affinity, thanks in part to SB Hurkyl's Recall, Chalice of the Void, and Pithing Needle.

>>47616922

All the goodstuff.dec dropped off during Eldrazi winter. When Splinter Twin got banned and Ancestral Vision and Thopter Foundry got unbanned everyone went to brewing with those cards and nobody was sure what to play so people played Jund.

That being said the BGx decks should start to come back to fight against Jund and Grixis decks again.

>>47621114

Merfolk is pretty strong already without TNN in Modern.

I also think TNN was one of the worst designed cards ever. Powerful yes but clearly a really bad design.

>>47621695
i hear this a lot but no one ever really explains further. what makes it a poor design? the intent is very clear, make it a threat that's very hard to interact with, but it still has reasonable answers

>>47621695
Well of course, that's why it's been the top of Tier 2 for awhile and even had a stint in Tier 1 last year.

>>47621739

Well for one it's got an extremely powerful ability(protection from a player) which in a multiplayer Commander game isn't too threatening but in an Eternal format like Legacy it's a stupidly strong card. Second it's also in a ridiculously strong tribe that's notorious for giving creatures Islandwalk and boosting P/T and it's also extremely aggressively costed for its abilities, P/T and protection. TNN may as well have protection from almost everything in a 2 player game and a card that actually has protection from everything is Progenitus and is not so easily cast(normally that is but can be Natural Ordered.) Finally it's also in colours that has easy access to many counterspells so if you don't counter it there and then it's going to start beating your face.

There are answers to it but lot of the time you either have to outrace the thing or have a universally strong wrath type board wipe(WoG, Damnation, etc.) which is expensive and may even still get countered outright not to mention also costs cmc 4 so you might take some big hits before you can even wipe the board or another toughness based reducing board wipe(Golgari Charm, Toxic Deluge) and even in the last case it's a big problem if they've already increased the toughness by some other Merfolk lords because you've probably taken a crapload of damage from it beating you for a while.

>>47621739
>3/1 unblockable for 3
>hexproof
>indestructable
>also a merfolk

Answers: Languish, Golgari Charm?

>destroy opponent's hand
>can't do anything against topdecks
I swear I'm going to start playing Thoughtpicker Witch

>>47621870
>Languish
Yes.
>Golgari Charm
Merfolk are almost never at base P/T.

>>47621870
As >>47622171 implied, TNN would probably be coming in as at least a 4/2 or 5/3 most of the time.

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>>47622183
at least it wouldn't have a jitte on it (in this format)

>>47616502
>Playing?
Affinity
>Brewing?
Zooicide
>Next MTG Purchase?
SB cards for zooicide. MD is in the mail. Super excited to give the deck a try since noone at my LGS plays anything like it. Also has the added positive that there is very rarely any burn (Zooicides worst matchup).

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When is Nacatl worth running in naya burn?

>>47621870
>Indestructible
Reread the rules on protection. Can't be dealt damage, but destroy effects still destroy it, so long as they don't target.

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I just realized Ghost Quarter reads "destroy target land" and not "target nonbasic land"

>>47623050
Always.

How do I get really good at jeskai harbringeR?

>>47623050
Never. While it looks good on paper, it lacks haste or an ability to further your burn plan, so it'll just end up slowing your deck down. It's better to just leave the slots open for more burn.

I'm running Soul Sisters and I'm running a 1 of Iona to get underneath Windbrisk Heights. Should I switch it for Elesh Norn? They both hose certain decks, but Elesh seems to hose more.

Then again it's probably dumb to have even one of either in my deck, but I want to give it a shot.

>>47624525
Elesh is often the better choice, combined with less feel-bads because your dumb ass picked the wrong color.

>>47623222
Yeah, I sometimes just blow up all my opponent's lands when going off with eggs just for shits and giggles (if I know they can't do shit with the untapped mana, otherwise that's awful risky)

>>47623222
Why did you think people refer it as strip mine with leonin arbiter?

>>47624751
I thought it was just because of the abundance of nonbasics in Modern

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What does your deck's god hand look like?

>Kami of False Hope / Topplegeist
>Aether Vial
>Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
>Phantasmal Image
>Drogskol Captain
>Hallowed Fountain
>1-2 basic lands

Spirits tribal is extremely fun. It really has a lot of control tools specialized for every T1 deck, so the sideboard plays an extremely important role in the deck.

At the same time it remains an aggro tribal deck, but its a very unique one, better than merfolk and elves I'd say.

>>47625932

>god hand
the post said "good hand", not god hand. if I had wanted to put a spellweaver magical christmas land hand, it would have included two simians, and a faithless looting. there is a turn 2 hand in that deck but its so incredibly unlikely.

>>47625978
>The post said good hand.
Well, this one says god hand does it not?, post yours.

>>47626040

>spellweaver
>flame jab
>worldfire
>simian spirit guide
>simian spirit guide
>land
>faithless looting

you need to t1 looting discarding your worldfire and flame jab and you need to get a second flame jab, and that sets you up for a win when you untap for t2.

>>47623876
seperate all your lands from your everything, side board, then mash shuffle three times being careful to make sure you dont overshuffle and present your deck to your opponent to cut once.

>>47626244

>overshuffle
lol

>present your deck to your opponent to cut once
your opponent can cut as many times as they like up to and including shuffling as many times as they like. your deck is not "safe" from "overshuffling" (by the way it isnt a thing)

>>47625956
Check the list yourself, unlike Merfolk it doesn't rely on islandwalk and its far more resilient than elves against removal and boardwipes. Its also able to beat them both 1 on 1.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-04-16-CET-spirit-tribal/

>>47626443

>unlike merfolk it doesn't rely on islandwalk

merfolk doesn't RELY on islandwalk, it takes advantage of it by running spreading seas. they remove a color source and swing unblockably. kind of a shame that pyroclasm is a silver bullet for you.

>>47626424
he was making fun of anteri, you troglodyte

>>47626563
>Pyroclasm is a silver bullet for you
It is. On the other hand Spirits survive it comfortably and can immediately bounce back from similar boardwipes thanks to Lingering Souls and Promise of Bunrei.

>>47626630

who the fuck is anteri and why does not knowing him make me a troglodyte

>>47621870
>Indestructible.
Ummm what? No its not.

Also your list is missing all of the wrath spells, all of the mass blue bounce spells, all of the Lilliana sac effects, and a BUNCH more that i cant remember off the top of my head. Its good yes i will give you that. Its not unkillable.

>>47626666
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpman16/fabrizio-anteri-disqualified-grand-prix-manchester-2016-05-28

>>47626738

i haven't read the article but I do want you to know that i appreciate you having linked me to it

>>47626738
>>47626791

k i read it now

LOL

>>47625932
>implying I play one deck

>>47626691
>a bunch more
No I think sac and boardwipes is all there is. Blue boardwipes are just shitty white boardwipes anyways.
Really though, a card with 3/1 unblockable hexproof would be OP in modern, disregarding the tribal and anti-damage clause.

Anyone play abzan company? I recently built the deck and was wondering about some tips and tricks and some spicy tech. Also what's your opinions about voice of resurgence in the deck. I'm surprised to see lists having them in the SB, some don't even run them, and not in the MB.

>>47627578
there are lots of matchups where voice is just a grizzly bear.

>>47627636
I remember the card being absurd in pod, but that's rpobably because of the sacrifice clause.

While I'm on the subject of pod. How similar is company to pod?

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Reminder that these are fun and the Hoofs on the Loose

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>>47627697
Reminder that these are not fun, and the Hoof is contained

>>47627636

lmao no it's never a grizzly bear. normally a "counting" creature (crusader of odric, veteran warleader, wayfaring temple, scion of the wild, you name it) costs at least 3 mana unless it has some clause. voice of resurgence is a grizzly bear plus at least one of these triggers on death unless it's exiled. so it's basically 5 mana worth of shit for a colorful bear and that's completely ignoring the fact that you get extra triggers from their shit which buff each other up.

that card is nuts, it just happens to do shit all when you path or anger of the gods it.

>>47627905
against infect, affinity, tron, scapeshift, and ad nauseam, it's just a grizzly bear.

>Jund has the closest deck to have a 50-50 matchup against everything
>still has unwinnable matchups

The deck is fun and strong, but sometimes it's hell. Tron and Jeskai are really fucking hard (the former being completely impossible) and there are other tough matchups out there, like Scapeshift and Eldrazi. Jund may be the most played deck in the metagame, but it's definitely not an easy button and it's most certainly not 50-50 against everything.

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Suicide is basically "kill yourself as fast as possible and hope the opponent doesn't have removal"
How does it ever win

>>47628340
opponent doesn't have removal / only has bolt

>>47627976

oh you mean decks that aren't interactive and just leave it as a 10 turn clock

gotcha

>>47628553
yeah obviously that's what I meant. why are you acting sarcastic? I didn't say it's always just a bear, I said sometimes it is. and against those decks, you don't get 10 turns to beat with a 2/2. grow up.

>>47628609

>why are you acting sarcastic

i'm not, i mean that post in the most literal way possible. i wasn't considering decks that don't interact with it at all where a swinging 2/2 isn't nearly relevant enough (aka a 10 turn clock)

>>47628636
oh sorry I got overly defensive then

>>47628752

totally cool anon

>>47617208

Got any info on your Grixis Teachings?

>>47626075
Get out.

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Don't mind me boys, just over here beating Jund with my god tier mono black control deck

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>>47628951

Instant (29)
4x Anticipate
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
2x Cryptic Command
1x Darkblast
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Hidetsugu's Second Rite
1x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Mana Leak
3x Mystical Teachings
1x Negate
1x Noxious Revival
2x Spell Snare
1x Surgical Extraction
3x Terminate
1x Think Twice
Land (26)
1x Academy Ruins
1x Blighted Fen
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Breeding Pool
2x Ghost Quarter
3x Island
4x Polluted Delta
2x Steam Vents
2x Sulfur Falls
1x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wandering Fumarole
2x Watery Grave
Artifact (1)
1x Engineered Explosives
Creature (5)
4x Snapcaster Mage
1x Vendilion Clique
Sideboard (15)
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Anger of the Gods
1x Countersquall
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Liliana of the Veil
1x Molten Rain
1x Negate
2x Pyroclasm
2x Spellskite
2x Thoughtseize
1x Volcanic Fallout
1x Wurmcoil Engine

I originally made it in 15 minutes while waiting for one of my lectures to start. Tuesday night at my lgs is free so we play intentionally bad decks for shits and giggles. I've killed people with second rite 17 times in sanctioned magic and got 4th in a 30 person gpt with it. turns out a pile of good grixis cards will win sometimes. I'm always looking for suggestions for cool cards to add. the maindeck is 61 cards just as a joke. I'm happy to answer any questions. the only thing teachings doesn't get in the maindeck is explosives.

>>47626443
>>47626665

Man, I can only hope I come up against you and your deck at the next event I go to. I love free wins.

>>47629215
>I've killed people with second rite 17 times
>13 marks on the card
explain the discrepancy

>>47629364
I took that picture a while ago and didn't feel like digging through my backpack for the card and taking a new one just to post.

>>47629319
What do you play again

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>>47629406

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R8 my brew, so far my worst matchup is boggles. Its the only deck i can do literally nothing about.

>>47632412
I have no clue what the fuck I'm supposed to be looking at there. Looks like Esper, which you should really give up on
If you insist on playing it and want to beat Bogles, then bring in more hand hate and take out Ashiok for LotV. Consider Wraths too.

>>47627697
why razorverge?

>>47632482
Wreaths are actually pretty useless against all that totem armor sadly, and the deck tries to control the board enough to either mill an opponent out with ashiok or beat them to death with their own creatures, or snapcaster if I need to. Fiendslayer Paladin makes any red matchup that doesn't run pyroclasm pretty easy, and most mid range/control decks don't run answers to ashiok. Even the answers that bgx has, the only really worrying one is abrupt decay.

>>47632412
>Boggles

Celestial Flare?

So this is my eldrazi tron list ive been brewing and playing. I would appreciate any suggestions on upgrades or just suggestions in general.

4 urza's tower
4 urza's mine
4 urza's powerplant
4 eldrazi temple
3 forest
1 sanctum of ugin
2 thought-knot seer
2 endless one
4 conduit of ruin
1 emrakul
1 ulamog the ceasless hunger
1 void winnower
4 expidition map
4 chromatic sphere
4 fog
4 sylvan scrying
4 explore
2 ratchet bomb
2 naturalize
4 ancient stirrings
2 all is dust

Idk what happened brehs. I hate playing modern now. One day I just said wow this format sucks. Now I can only play Legacy and EDH.

>>47633502
You developed taste. Wizards ruined Modern pretty bad.

>>47616502
>Playing?
MERFOLK
>Brewing?
SPICY MERFOLK
>Next MTG Purchase?
4 Tectonic Edges

>>47633829
Why 4 tectonic edges?

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>>47629215

>Saviors of Kamigawa
>white bordered

wut

>>47634074
It's the new spicy sideboard tech. Usually the decks that are OUT:Vial can be IN:Tec. Edge.

>>47634260
But what is edge even good against sideboard?

>>47633072
Try to be more like Tron.

4 TKS
2 Conduits
3 Breakers
2 Ulamogs

4 Karn
2 Ugin

4 Spheres
4 Stars
4 Maps

2 Fogs
4 Stirrings
3 Scryings
2 Dusts

4 UrzaTron
4 Temple
1 Wreckage
3 Forests

Play by Tron's strengths. Use Eldrazi to hold decks back and to close the game if necessary.

>>47634503
Jund is typically vial-out games, and a prominent targets for land hate. Abzan suffer from it too as a potential screw, and in both Ghost Quarter would give them a basic of what they need.

In Tron, Scapeshift and Jeskai you take out your removal (vapor snag, dismember) in favor of Tectonic Edge, which can screw them if it drags out. Bench Cursecatcher for Grixis.

Are there any monowhite splash black and blue tokens decks?

>>47634209
I did that with an eraser

>>47634746
Ok thank you i can start upgrading now

>>47635015
Black White tokens is a thing. Some people add Blue for Polymorph into Emrakul.

Why is magic fun, but so expensive?

Standard rotates out super fucking fast and the meta switches every few months

Modern is the next step outward, and is FAR more unforgiving to newbies and people not willing to drop hundreds on damn lands

Legacy and Vintage are just wallet-throwing fests.

Why can't I play constructed magic without spending my entire paycheck on 3 cards?

>>47636804
Draft

>>47636804
Edh sounds like your calling

Or pauper

>>47636865
I don't want to play draft for eternity
>>47636874
I hate EDH.

Pauper sounds cool, but I don't know anywhere near me that does pauper leagues. Also, it sounds kinda limiting in the cards you can play.

>>47636804

Because this is not a game for poor kids.

Fuck off.

>>47636897
I don't feel like dropping 1000 dollars on cardboard, let alone lands.

100-150 dollars? Sure. More than that? No.

proxy modern at the lgs, what should i play? Last deck i proxied last summer was uw fae+dragons

https://youtu.be/AdMznQQZgjg

Viable or no?

>>47636897
It wasn't until our based Chinese overlords arrived.

>>47636956

Enjoy your DCI ban then.

>>47636973
>What do you mean they are fake? Are you saying I got ripped off, Mr Judge? Oh darn am I pissed

>>47636987
They won't let you continue unless you buy replacements.

>>47637003
then you just drop but they won't ban you without proof you intentionally bought fakes, and they're certainly not gonna get a fucking warrant to look at your credit card history.

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>>47623050
>>47623250
>>47624209

>>47637030
This is all assuming you get caught in the first place. The modern set fakes are almost dead on with tiny errors that wouldn't show up while doublesleeved. It's one thing to play Vintage with near mint p9, but playing Modern is a safe bet unless you act like a sperg.

>>47637045
Wild Nacatl is a dead draw 50% of the time. Atarka's Command is the only reason to run Naya Burn.

>>47636987
>>47637003
>>47637030
The scumbag has a point. WotC have to err on the side of caution and can't go inquisition on his ass. It would be game loss or tourney dq, but not a ban.
Also I don't think cards are being inspected that closely to find this out in the first place.

We might not like it but there's little we can do about it. Let's be content with a fact that while poorfag can buy fake toys he can't buy fake house, car or healthcare.

>>47637148
Frankly, this. It's fucking retarded that I have to pay $1500 to build some jank tier 3 deck because it contains overinflated staples. It's not like I'm using the fakes to put together the premier Affinity list and 4-0 FNM. I just want to meme while still being able to afford my car and mortgage payments.

>>47637160
Free healthcare here in Canada, and if you can't con your way into a house or a car, you're the shittiest manipulator.

>>47637160
It's because the poorfags didn't spend $2000 on cardboard that they can afford those other things. It's even more retarded in Modern, where the top decks are banned yearly to promote "format diversity". Building a tier 1 Modern deck may as well mean flushing your money right down the toilet.

>>47637258
That was true until they quitted Modern's PT, now diversity isn't a problem anymore.

>>47632709
For that sweet white sideboard.

>>47636804
>>47636917

buy a budget version of a competitive modern deck and upgrade it over time.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/series/budget-magic

>>47637030
>>47637160
>enter warning into DCI for fake cards
>get called on fake cards next event
>hey this guy has a history of buying fake cards
>eventually get DQ'd/DCI banned because wow you're the one guy in a thousand who seems to always get shafted in buying singles

>>47638662
As already pointed out, nobody is going to question the legitimacy of your cards as long as you doublesleeve and don't try to trade them like a tremendous retard.

>>47636889
>I hate EDH
Why?

>>47638692
As already pointed out in the umpteen times this is brought up in this thread, it's extremely easy to determine a fake card.

C h i n e s e c a r d s

>>47624667
You Ghost Quarter them through their entire mana base while playing Eggs?
So every time you GQ, they fetch, you GQ again when it comes back?
3160

>>47637075
Vintage allows 10-25 proxies anyway, depending on the tournament.

>>47637198
>>47637148
ROW ROW

I feel like the main reason the average person opposes the use is because they spent a lot of hardearned time and money investing in a deck, making sacrifices to fit a reasonable price or acquiring the deck piece by piece over time, and when we use fakes they are getting snubbed.

I honestly believe tourneys should allow proxies, like I literally cannot conceivably play Legacy at my LGS ever. Standard is more expensive than Modern, and Modern is a pricey format.
I don't want to play pauper pooper decks, janky rares are my bread n butter

>>47638767
Sanctioned tournaments do not allow proxies.

Only sanctioned tournaments are entered into DCI.

If it's not sanctioned, who cares if you're using even the fakest printer proxies

>>47638767
I though Wizards put their foot down on that? Either way, Vintage is mostly an online format.

>>47638745
There are several different Chinamen making fakes, each with their own flaws. There is simply no way to tell these are fake if they are double sleeved and sitting across the table. If you demand each opponent unsleeves their cards, you could probably spot fakes, but that is likely to get you thrown out first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvseDNbzPtM

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>>47627697
>>47627720
Needs more Caverns and Dwynen's Elite.

>>47632412
>boggles
favor of the mighty
runed halo
paraselene

>>47623050
when playing against ad nauseam, maybe

>>47638760
Only when I'm feeling particularly sadistic, or when I need another turn to attack with infinite Swan tokens

>>47637258
Pro Tours solve formats. So there's no Modern Pro Tour, there's no annual Solving of Modern.

>>47640009
Whoever said eggs was slow hasn't met a fast eggs player. Met one guy, after he assembled quickly did the combo (less than a minute) then demonstrated all the possible loops, etc.

>>47638795
B U R N

>>47640095
Eggs IS slow unless you're super-accomplished at it. The problem came when lots of people jumped on the deck at once while it was one of the best decks in the format.
Now it's a lot worse, but only good Eggs players are still on it, so it's fine.

>>47639977
>favor of the mighty as anti-Boggles tech

God damn that is a spicy meatball

>>47640126
I wonder if it would work in Hatebears to keep my Baneslayer on the field.

>>47640104
Been there, played the mirror with my bud a million times and I'd still play it if I hadn't traded the pieces for blue cards, burn is fun.
Burn is life. Bolt/420Blaze vs guides, monks and vexing devils; hitting your 3rd landdrop from their guide while they miss one; Eidolon stacking; trying to maximize prowess while running riftbolt/shardvolley. Maindeck helix/dpalm/skullcrack battles, and some Mana Clash/Thunderous Wrath because it's a game of luck and burn knows it.

>>47640121
Fair, it's still not half bad of a deck too. Underrated solitaire

>>47640126
Spring cleaning might be neat

>>47640126
Oh shit thats esper. Paraselene

>>47640126

Favour of the Mighty used to be run in early Ad Nauseam decks as tech against Infect at one point.

>>47638842
>Vintage
>Sanctioned

Oh wow I sure do look forward to Vintage FNM at my LGS in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and I just can't wait for PT Richard Branson's Space Yacht.

Paper Vintage doesn't have enough players for anyone to bother sanctioning it.

>>47640779
Jesus the keks when an army of 1/1s clock you because you brick your draws and Lotuses.

>>47621005
>>47620981
>>47620956
All damage is dealt at the same time.
Magic Duels shows it as if it weren't so.
But it is.

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W E W
E
W

Still alive bois

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Maybe you guys are interested, maybe not, but the artist Paul Bonner (search it on fb) is going to put up the painting Roc Egg for auction.

>>47636804
Buy proxies. Good ones are pretty expensive, but you can pretty much build any deck at a fourth of its normal price. Its also unlikely people will notice, even more unlikely that you'll get called out on it and evenif you do, you can always plea ignorance.

>>47642951
You are complete cancer. Kill yourself.

>>47643436
t. WotC

>>47643535
More like t. Star of David Games. Wizards makes very little money off the secondary market. It's only when they drop a set like EMA or MM that they can even muster a fuck to give.

>>47643635
Wizards has threatened to take away several stores' WPN membership for holding unsanctioned tournaments with proxies.

>>47643687
http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/33489/wotc-clarifies-proxy-position-magic

Wether it was their policy all along and a lower level employee got it wrong, or they just backpedaled hard due to backlash, their official stance now is that they don't give a shit about what stores allow in unreported events

>>47643893
Oh, that's good.

>>47638871
Here's a real simple test: ask to see a card to read the text if you suspect something.

Autists with fake cards will be the weirdos who don't let you touch or even look at their cards. Call over a judge as if you want to ask for Oracle text, then point it out.

>>47642951
You can plea ignorance, but all instances of fake cards are input into DCI, even if it's an unofficial warning.

Rack up 2 or 3 "ignorance" warnings and now all of a sudden it's no longer ignorance.

>>47644060
Geez, are counterfeit cards better or something? Are they performance enhancing? Are you more likely to top-deck a proxy right when you need it?

>>47644080
Yes. It's a well known fact that proxies are lighter weight than real cards allowing them to float to the top of your deck.

R8 my first attempt at a token/goblin deck. This is going to be expensive but it's such a cool concept to me. Notice the Dolmen Gate + Goblin Assault + Krenko combo.

3x Dolmen Gate
3x Flame Slash
3x Frenzied Goblin
3x Goblin Arsonist
4x Goblin Assault
3x Goblin Bushwhacker
2x Goblin Charbelcher
2x Goblin Chieftain
4x Goblin Grenade
2x Krenko, Mob Boss
3x Lightning Bolt
4x Manamorphose
24x Mountain

>>47644388
Cool! I love three card combos in modern! Especially slow ones

>>47644388
Usually with Goblins you want to win fast, that combo is not only slow, it's easy to disrupt.

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Was hoping if anyone could critique this deck I just made. It's mono-black with no creatures..it's my first no-creature deck, so inb4 it's trash, it probably is. I need suggestions on how to make it better..
http://www.mtgvault.com/felonary/decks/top-secret/

>>47645314
Also, update. I was quite drunk when I made this, so I'm looking at it like wtf, but it seemed like a neat idea, so I'm hoping it can be improved.

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>>47616502
Nahiri is cute! CUTE!

>>47645673
ease on back nigga u cant turn a ho' into a housewife

>>47625932
plains, cavern, quarter, arbiter, thalia, vial, path

>>47645314
>>47645349
Scrap it desu senpai

>>47645968
Kk ^.^

>>47645285
>>47644766
Okay, I didn't realize it would be so slow, honestly. What is a good place to improve my speed? I'm not a tourneyfag desu.

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>>47646884
play this instead
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/378270#online

>>47644044
Lol, have you seen the latest batches of proxies? You've probably been looking at them without even knowing it. There is literally a zero percent chance of you detecting one double sleeved.

>>47644060
If you get caught with proxies at any level, you have to be actively doing sometime wrong. Let alone multiple times.

>>47616502

Warning: I own all the pieces for Legacy and Modern Merfolk, but the deck does not make me feel okay.

>WTF MERFOLK
>2 FIRST PLACE FINISHES
>WHY IS MERFOLK SO GOOD NOW?!?!?!

>>47616515
Merfolk Tier II? WTF Modern Nexus? WTF?!?!?!?

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>>47616502

>Playing?
Grixis Thopter Swords (WITH A FUCKING PASSION). Grixis the only the way to go.
Embrace the grixis control / combo / tempo finish.

LIST:
1 Academy Ruins
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Darkslick Shores
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Island
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Mana Leak
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 Polluted Delta
1 Shivan Reef
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Spell Snare
2 Steam Vents
3 Swamp
2 Sword of the Meek
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2 Terminate
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Thopter Foundry

Sideboard:
1 Asylum Visitor
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Keranos, God of Storms
3 Muddle the Mixture
1 Negate
1 Notion Thief
1 Olivia Voldaren
4 Smash to Smithereens
1 Terminate
1 Thoughtseize

>Brewing?
Nothing. My friends are brewing Counterbalance in modern (spoiler alert: It sucks). A friend is also brewing modern dredge which is scary and brutal. Vengevine with come out of left field and mess up your combat math. Their is also not enough to bolts to kill Prized Amalgams (spellcheck).

>Next MTG Purchase?
A box of Eternal Masters. [Maybe 2 or 3, but not sure]

>>47647268
>the deck does not make me feel okay

why not? its one of the more interesting tribal decks and can switch gears between aggro and grinding

>Throw together an Esper Drownyard memelist
>2-0 a guy playing BW Hatebears

Feels good. Consecrated Sphinx is a god damn hero at topping curves. Throw down some removal turn 5 end step, slam that fucker down and win off sheer card advantage.

>>47647543
Faults:
>1: No Vial, Generally your hand is 70% strength
>2: Supreme Verdict is bad (and every where in metas I play in apparently)
>3: Rhino Junk crushes the deck
>4: Colorless Eldrazi matches your size and does not play blue.

Strengths:
>1: Absurd Tempo (With Vials)
>2: Absurd Creatures
>3: when 60%+ of the field is blue you have free island walk.

>>47647754
>Consecrated Sphinx: He (must be) amazing is a slower, blue, combo/control environment. I would laugh when you have sphinx and your opponents have serums visions, bobs, remands, and other card advantage.

Is the Sphinx a 1 of OR a 2 of?

>>47647910
It was 1 but I'll probably swap my Memory Adept for another.

>>47647910
Oh and Bob doesn't trigger Sphinx. I also run 4 copies of Ethereal Haze mainboard.

>>47648025
What your saying is Fedora Kings are being triggered by their "FAT" packs. Well fuck them because they need to lose wait and stop being such bitchy whiny bitch tit cuckolds.

Total noob to magic here. So I am wanting to build my first deck. What is the best way to search for cards?

For clarity's sake I will describe the deck I am aiming at: a green/white Eastern Asian themed deck, with cards from Kamagawa and Khans of Tarkir. I have a handful of Khans of Tarkir cards which I collected from a draft, so I have a vague idea of what I am going for, but I still need to do a bunch of research before I am ready to buy cards.

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This guy walks into your LGS, slaps your gf's ass, and then beats you using Five-Color Extra Attack Step Infect.

What the fuck do you do?

>>47648411
Go to Gatherer and just search for whatever you want.

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>>47625932
Lotus Petal
Rite of Flame
Rite of Flame
Goblin Charbelcher
Lion's Eye Diamond
Land Grant

>>47647174
B-but I want to play my deck and want it tweaked, not replaced desu.

>>47644388

If you're going to run Goblins, run Goblin Piledrivers and Mogg War Marshall

>>47648573
drop from FNM and walk home and bitch on 4chan about casuals ruining magic

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>>47648573
beat the shit out of him in the parking lot

>>47648573
First off if he slapped my imaginary GF's ass. He would not be able to sit down for a game of magic because he would be laid out flat because he would be KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.

>>47625932
leyline of sanctity, pact of negation x2, ad nauseam, grace, lotus petal x2

So there was a PPTQ over the weekend in Southport (north west England), and the TO literally went off the deep end. The prize pool was cut down to nothing during the event, with the winner getting £3.50 in store credit, and he also wanted to DQ a pair of players from my LGS for IDing in the last round to both make top 8, claiming that he could do it if he wanted because he was the TO. He's very quickly lost basically all credibility, and the big tournament being hosted in his shop next weekend has basically panicked to all fuck thinking that the guy has destroyed any chance of their event succeeding. Like, he literally said on Facebook that anyone caught IDing in his shop in the future will be DQ'd, thrown out of the shop, and given a lifetime ban from the shop.

Like damn son.

>>47649295
I would think you would be used to having no freedom in England

>>47648573
slap his ass

This may be a bit off topic, but this is 4chan.

I think a field full of Tier II decks is more difficult to fight through than a field full of Tier I decks.

Knowledge is power and when you can peg a Tier I deck to 90%-95% of what cards are in their decks you have a base of knowledge.

When you tackle a tier II meta their is much more on line. The guy on top of the pile becomes Tier I (AKA Merfolk right now). People do not have 90% accuracy on the exact cards in the deck. Ad Nausem Unlife Combo has 4-5 flex spots which make the matchup amazing or terrible. The one suicide zoo comes out of no where and kills your unsuspecting ass on T3 when you cast a draw spell and a removal spell. Goryo's Vengeance decks too a lot of "free" wins from the many GP and IQ field due to shock and awe (even in game 2). Modern Dredge hits a soft meta in all metas (the graveyard), and most metas do not have more than 4 pieces that solve the graveyard puzzle. Most people are using their graveyard for recursion (snaps, and other ways also).

>>47649295
Screenshot and send to wizards:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3mouwr/can_i_report_x_for_y_yes_you_can_heres_how/

>>47649389
Misconception. Teir two are established decks
Teir 1 decks show the highest amount of play and tend to have the strongest game against most decks. Jund or affinity are good teir 1 decks.
Teir 2 tend to be good decks but aren't good against all decks. Scapeshift is a good teir 2 deck. Teir 2 decks are established and people know what's in them.
People's speshul unike brews in which it's a pile of cards only they know of tend to be untested and might have a very strong game plan against a select few decks but bad against many established decks. Turbofog, while fun and good against affinity, is awful against tron, scapeshift, storm and more.

>>47649347
He turns around and says
>"Hello there, it's Seth, probably better known as SaffronOlive, and I'm here with my new segment: kicking this chump's ass."

What. the fuck. do you do?

>>47649696
Play any established deck and win

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could this ever see play in a ramp deck with Primeval Titan? 2/3 for 2cmc makes for a decent blocker and him becoming a 4/5 later and making manlands bigger could be useful. thoughts?

>>47649904
if you are ramping with prime time why waste time playing a dude when you can just win the game from scapeshift or through the breach or valakut triggers

>>47616922
They are coco decks now

>>47621318
Not debating that the match up is bad but why is the match up bad for merfolk

>>47650027
Affinity is just faster. Without Hurky'ls Recall, merfolk gets run over.

>>47650068
If Affinity, Aether Vial Decks, lantern control is an accumulated 15%+ or more you better be packing a playset of Hurkyl's Recall.

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>>47647438
Playing 4 Smash to Smithereens is brutal. They lose tempo and life. When they are getting beat down with K Commands, Bolts, and Snap (Recursions). The damage adds up to lethal real fast.

Kind of new to modern. I keep hearing everywhere that Affinity is the format's "most hated" deck.

I get that it's a super aggressive deck that can vomit it's hand out and kill you, but is that really that much worse than others? I'd prefer that where I at least have a chance of interacting rather than some degenerate instant win combo.

>>47650333
Most experience modern players (such as myself) judge Affinity as heavily disliked because the skill of the pilot is not that important. Something a semi competent pilot can pump 9 infect into you on turn 2. Affinity was piloted by to a top 8 by a top decking 13 year old amateur kid who probably eats his own boogers.

>[IN MODERN] Affinity = Easy Mode

>>47650333
Most hated just means everyone techs against it so it can be hard for it in g2 and 3

>>47650333
The current combos are actually easier to interact with or race than affinity.

>>47650419
>Affinity was piloted by to a top 8 by a top decking 13 year old amateur
That kid is most likely a better player than all of /tg/ (including you) and knew the card interactions of his deck better than a pro player who top 8 'd a pro tour with Affinity.

>>47650333
Affinity is hard to interact with in that they can blank removal, their creatures have evasion so you can hardly block, and they can go under your counterspells. Most other decks at least allow some form of interaction.

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>>47616502
Hurr durr modern isnt dead

>>47649970
because I want to win with beatdown

>>47650419
>the skill of the pilot is not that important

a bunch of pro players would disagree with you

>>47650583
>a bunch of cheaters would disagree with you

>>47650647
I've just started to seriously get into Magic, and the first thing I really hear of the pro scene is that this Fabrizio Anteri guy, who was apparently one of if not THE highest ranked in the world got banned for cheating.

How normal is this? In some other card games I've played, there's basically a mentality of "once you get to a certain level of success, everyone is cheating, it's just part of the game". Is the same true in MtG, where everybody's doing it but they all rip someone to shreds over it when they get caught to keep communally pretending that everyone who is consistently topping isn't cheating in some way?

Or is MtG pretty legitimate at the top?

>>47650746
Fabrizio Anteri was DQed and subsequently banned from sanctioned events becausehe didn't sufficiently randomized his deck after "manaweaving" (spacing out lands and spells in the deck). It looked like cheating in the eyes of WOTC. The judges were watching him in his first round (round 4, i believe) which means they figured something was up with this guy.

>How normal is this?
It seems to happen on a yearly basis, but it's sort of rare. Don't worry about it.

>>47650746

I've been following competitive magic events for over a year and only heard of fabrizio when the cheating allegations came out

Not saying my knowledge of the competitive scene is thorough but I don't believe he was THE highest ranked player

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>>47650746
lol no

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What would a deck with coco and reflector mage look like in modern? And no knightfall combo of the sort.

>>47651133
go splash blue in abzan coco and find out

>>47648066
Weigh dumb ass, learn to spell

>>47651145
You mean like the melira coco list? But just with blue for the mage.

>>47651171
sounds plausible

>>47651180
Sounds... bad hahaha. Where would it fit?

>>47650551
Sounds like you should consider thunder cats.

>>47651133
>Cast Company
>Hit Vendilion Clique and Geist of Saint Shaft

VALUE
A
L
U
E

>>47616515
Ad Nauseam Unlife combo is a glacially slow deck.

The only saving grace is 4-8 fog effects.
The deck can do dirty things at dirty angles, but it is also high variance and is super fragile.

Ad Nauseam Unlife needs to be categorized as a Tier III Super High Variance Deck.

Alright /tg/ you get to rename every deck in modern. What do you choose. I.e. infect is now thugsnbugs

Anyone else think Aristocrats builds could be decent in Modern? You can combo off turn 4 if left alone, and can grind it out with weenies and spirit tokens beyond that.

>>47651696
infect is now Chlamydia

>>47651696
I'd just pick names that sjws would find offensive.

Dredge is now "dead Mexicans"
Jund is "Trannybuster"
Tron is "Cuntpunch"

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Taking Turns (fringe deck) is a refinement or two away from being a Tier II deck.

>Is ancestral visions that cards?
>Well ..... IS IT MOFOS?

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>>47651553
Could I do it without gofy you think?

>>47652502
No because you want value, and Goyf is value.

For modern, would you go monoblack Vampires or B/R Vampires?

>>47653404
Neither. I don't like going 0-3 drop.

I know it sounds dickish, but I really don't like losing repeatedly.

>>47653404
You can try mono black with a shitload of removal an disruption but the only vampires that you could run that are actually good for constructed are Kalitas and Blood Artist. All the other decent vampires require you to go the tribal-aggro route which is not very fast and fragile.

or you can build this

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-72-26-tix-modern-rally-vampires

just swap the Kalastria Highborn with Zulaport Cutthroat and youre set

>>47651304
b-but I want to swing with big dumb creatures that have etb effects and use Kessig Wolfrun in them.

I know its not competitive at all but Id like a ramp deck that does not rely on Arbor Elf + Enchantments because its very susceptible to removal. I'd like to have ramp spells and then use See the Unwritten or Primal Command to look for the fatties that I need while buying time with creatures like Sylvan Advocate or Sakura Tribe Elder.

>>47637130
And Destructive Revelry in the sideboard

>>47635208
fagot

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Bought a duel deck because my nephew (13) is starting to get into TCGs. I used to play standard like 13 years ago and started playing commander 2 years ago with a close group of friends/coworkers.

We play blessed vs cursed, but i've been wanting to toss in and toss out some cards from the latest innistrad set just to mix it up a bit. What, if any, cards from innistrad would be good to replace that are currently in the decks?

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4-1 with Purest Waifu tonight

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/death-taxes-modern-edition/

>>47655553
do you play at togit, i know they have modern tuesdays

>>47655529
this is not the thread for that, if you are a casual just crack some boosters and see what fits

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>>47655733
nope!

my loss was to AdNaus, kept a sketchy hand instead of mulling to 5. I figure I won G2 on a mull to 4 and I wouldn't perfect draw twice in a row.
>tfw Flickerwisp your Phyrexian Unlife while you're at -3

wins were
>WG Cards-I-Own 2-0
>Affinity 2-0
>KikiChord 2-0
>GR Tron 2-0

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Playing Jund vs Storm, down G1 because he goes off cleanly and I have too much removal, nbd, side in some more disruption and denser threats.

>3 Discard spells and a Goyf in opening 7
>Rip his hand down to 2 Ascensions and land
>Double Ascension on board, 1 real card in hand
>"Serum, scry.... Ok Manamorphose, thats 2 counters, and.... Manamorphose again."
>He has to actively stop drawing at Storm count 22 with like 20 cards in hand so he doesnt deck himself

Mfw

My favourite vintage / legacy cube deck is mono green, anything like that playable in modern? I was looking at bloom, stompy, and tooth and nail, but none of it seems very good.

>>47656596
bloom is banned, stompy is shit, tooth and nail is ok

go play kiki chord

>>47656596
RG Titanshift

>>47656298
The correct play would have been to take out the ascentions, i think. The deck has a really hard going off without them.

>>47650746
There have been high profile players caught and banned for cheating since the mid 90s. Mike Long, i think is one.

>>47651051
Mengucci is my husbando.

>>47658368
get out of here you italian fuck

your CFB videos suck

>>47658376
I'm not Italian. He's just dreamy and plays solid magic.

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Rate my draft on a scale of 1 to 10

there is no appropriate thread for this

>>47621318
Why would Chalice slow down Affinity when they pack it themselves in the sb vs burn and Infect?

I strictly play Lantern Control. What is your immediate first assumption about me?

>>47659386
Cool dude who cares about interesting games more than going x-0 every night and treats the game as a puzzle instead of an excuse to roflstomp someone, or just a sadist.

>>47659384
You can chalice for 0 to stop them from casting memnite, orni and opal

>>47659523
Which doesn't do anything on the draw and is only a minor speedbump on the play (drum still powers out t2 plating and t3 champion and equip).

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>>47659564
>when u block EC with a Splicer Golem cuz he didn't RTFC

>>47659838
There's also the 10/10 master.

>>47657654
>>Rip his hand down to 2 Ascensions and land
This. The two easy ways to take down Storm are to keep Electromancer/Ascension off the board, or to manage their graveyard (Scooze).

>>47658893
Lucky mofo / 10.

What's a replacement 1 drop for goblin guides? I have sets of eidolons and swiftspear

>>47660729
vexing devil is a possibility

Can someone describe to me how there isn't a standard thread for MTG?

Kitchen table magic here,

wanna build a WU control deck with both Tamiyo and Venser. Any recommendations?

>>47658893
Drafted Nahiri, fiery tempers and lighting axe/5

Not much else to say.

>>47655973
>WG Cards-I-Own
What is this?

>>47661884
Some guy doesn't have a real deck and just made a GW pile.

>>47616515
>Ad Nauseam is no longer a meme deck
It took several years, but it looks like Ad Nauseam has ascended the rank of meme deck. Ironically storm is now inferior to it.

After playing with a few different decks for the past few weeks, I gave Bant Eldrazi a shot at Modern Monday. It was my first time playing the deck and it's pretty damn good. I went 3-1 barely losing to Merfolk and I beat Zoo, UW Control and Infect. TKS and RS are still good. Drowner "Doctor" of Hope remains a huge defensive AND offensive pivot. Eldrazi Displacer keeps being awesome by tapping potential blockers (or simply clearing the way for RS after blockers are declared) or generating insurmountable value with Doctor.

And Stirrings is the most bullshit card in the deck.

>>47662599
It never was a meme deck, it just wasn't particularly great vs Pod and dig-era Delver, twin was about 50/50 (since you could potentially go off in response to their combo, Twin was more consistent though).

How good or bad would high tide be in modern. The deck and the card.

>>47663157
The deck would be a much better storm, very consistent turn 4 wins with a viable turn 3 with FoW backup would be too much for most decks to beat consistently. A tier 1 deck at least.
The card would see no play. Without anything to reset your lands other than Rewind, it would be very hard to combo off consistently.

>>47663406
It would get beat by infect right?

>>47656298
>Rip his hand down to 2 Ascensions and land

kek

>>47663527
Affinity and Infect would get you sometimes, FoW would save you other times. The deck would probably evolve to playing 4 Snap main to stop aggro, maybe even a few Snapbacks.

>>47663884 what if it didn't have force of will but only the range of counter available in modern.

It's my first attempt to make a deck so pls don't bully. Usually I'm playing casual games with friends but I want to try something more official at LGS. Any way to keep it budget but more usable? Any good and cheap removals, more useful token-related cards?

http://deckstats.net/deck-10280188-5e5c21fd0aea3cbf6d17e264259b16fc.html

>>47664199
Ok so this list is not good, you need path to exile and such plus your curve toppers are either not relevant when they come down or not powerful enough to end the game there.what kind of strategy would you like so I can do more than just say play black white tokens

>>47651584
Bait?

>>47664361
Usually I was playing with a lot of small tokens and use convoke everywhere I could - for removal, lifegain, casting bigger guys like seraph of the masses etc. As I said, it was mainly casual play.
Now I want to make deck where tokens play main role as fatties and breakers, not only convokers and blockers.

>>47664586
Then yea if you want to go tokens black white tokens would be the best plus the deck is not that expensive, you can go easy on the mana base because it is two colors so that will bring down the cost.

>>47664988
B-but Anon, I want to run GW

>>47665796
Well you can do death and taxes variant with those colors. Mr. Gaddock is powerful.

>>47665796
GW Tokens is a real modern deck.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12485&d=271893&f=MO

>>47659386
That you picked up a meme deck that you have no idea how to play and consistently go 0-0-4.

>>47659386
That you don't have any other decks.

>>47666177
Yeah, seems to be very budget

>>47660729
here u go f@m
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&format=+[%22modern%22]&text=+[haste]&color=+[R]&cmc=+=[1]

you could reasonably play boss sligh with akroan crusader.

>>47666177
That is just worse black white tokens with green for a worse token makers

>>47659386
I play Ad Nauseam. What is your immediate first assumption about me?

>>47667762
That you want to make this question a thing but it shouldn't be

>>47661456
I don't know for Tamiyo but for Venser you want lots of creatures with etb effects like Wall of Omens, Flickerwisp, Lone Missionary, Kitchen Finks and Sun Titan. add a couple of wraths, counter spells and card draw and youre set

Any Interesting White prevalent or Boros decks worth running?
I'm building WU Emeria Control, Boros Burn and I'm having a blast playing pauper Soldiers.
I like Prison Effects, Aggro and Restoration Angel.

>>47669043
Norin Sisters

>>47669081
Norin Sisters is pretty cool. Thalia's Liutenant is running smooth or good and old Champion of the Parish is still the most played?