MTG Modern General

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The overall Modern Metagame.

Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml

Is knight fall not that good anymore? I have sets of hierarch voice and reliquary sitting here.

>>47592376
it was never good

>>47587141 →##

I certainly had a natures claim planned for the SB, i have it in the tappedout page i think. how are you liking the list?

i actually basically have it built, i cant wait to test it at a local. Im going to play ssbm tonight, but i think tomorrow they run modern so i could go give the list a run and see how it works at my local. It isnt perfect because im missing a couple fetches but it works for me.

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What does your decks pretty good hand look like?

>inb4 babby assembled his meme deck

>>47592959
what's the deck list?

is it budget?

>>47592959
kill yourself immediately

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>>47593032

It's somewhat budget. I spent about 300 bucks on it over the course of a couple days. I had several of the cards or replacements nearby, and Im currently borrowing a couple fetches and replaced a couple (a basic land, a smoldering marsh, and an academy ruins with a buried ruin). Replaced a third serum visions with a breaking//entering which are themselves replacements for glimpses, but the deck is very playable as it is. sorry about the rotation, uploading from phone and all

>>47593325
you can edit the pictures on your phone you troglodyte

>>47592959
and what happens on turn 8 ?

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>>47593446

What do you mean turn 8

>>47593417

I did but i couldnt find the edited one after baka. I did it again for you

>>47593583
am I retarded? why hedron crab?

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>>47592959
M E M E M A G I C

>>47594191
To put shit in the graveyard for Spellweaver Helix
You know, the win condition

>>47594191

because you're playing fetch lands and life from the loam. standard use case is you mill yourself at least 12 for 1 mana (which can win you the game if you have spellweaver in hand), and more if it sticks around on the board. worst case is they remove it and you trade 1 for 1 anyways.

>>47594488
>>47594364

didnt realize it was target player. whoops.

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>>47592959
Forest
Stomping Ground
Arbor Elf
Utopia Sprawl
Stone Rain
Molten Rain
Goblin Darkdweller

>>47594718
>yfw you're against the mirror
>yfw when they win the die roll and stone rain your 1-land hand

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>>47594718
Current deck list. Dropped Wildspeaker and added another Thragtusk-bro.
>>47594751
Mirror match up is literally who counts to three first.

Anything I should know about infect? Just now picking it up

>>47595563
seppuku

>>47595563
Learn to consider every single path of play.

Watch Tom Ross play.

Learn to count to 10.

>>47595563
intimidate your opponent into misplaying.

>>47595563

Carefully consider all possible plays and outcomes for the turn based on what you opponent might be holding and how you may be able to stop him or if it might be better to let him do his thing and swing for lethal another turn. Then shut off your brain, turn your Glistener Elf sideways, blow your Vines and watch the tron player cry.

>>47595563
Prepare for salt.

>>47592959

I'll keep

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Im gonna run this in a Mono Green Budget aggro deck

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>>47596073

sure am glad my picture uploaded

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With classic cards like this

>>47595563
Smoke a blunt and then realize that you have all the time in the world to think about your choices. It's the other guy who wants to get it to turn 6

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>>47592959
Fuck your lands

>>47594204
>wasting a slot on growth

Meme magic indeed

>>47596929
count again. become immense is 5G

>>47596929
>>47594204
>not putting a second growth rather than probe to ensure elf doesn't get bolted before you untap

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>>47594204
As a Jundfag, I like when you have this hand. I have a good chance to stop you if you're on the play and you auto-lose if you are on the draw.

>>47593583
I like that you can (retrace) Raven's Crime yourself in a pinch to pitch the combo.

>>47597225
yeah my best hands against you are like

pendelhaven
Breeding pool
noble
2 agent
blessing
vines

pray you don't have two discard spells on the play

>>47597225
also, way to grab a garbage bolt printing

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>>47597253
You underestimate the power of Inkmoth Nexus.

>can't Abrupt Decay / Maelstrom Pulse / Dreadbore it
>can't make you sacrifice it to Liliana of the Veil
>flying
>you can animate it whenever you want

>>47597225
>Playing Jund unironically
Disgusting

>>47597311
it depends on how much pressure im under. also at Charlotte one dude crumbled my nexus to dust and it felt kind of bad.

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>>47597329
>being disgusted by the idea of others having a good time with top tier decks

I'm having a hard time seeing this behavior as anything but jealousy.

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>>47597293
Heh, I like M11's Lightning Bolt the best. I just took the MM2 version because it's the latest printing.

>>47597392
Yeah I guess. I absolutely LOVE Bolting the Noble Hierarch, and from all that gained tempo it's much easier to start flinging removal spells on anything you have left.

Crumble to Dust sounds kinda slow though. I understand bringing it in because it can be a blowout, but man it's scary thought to tap out for a counterable spell when you have an Inkmoth Nexus on the battlefield. I like Fulminator Mage in this matchup, it feels safer.

>>47597552
lots of people are too stupid to bolt the noble. and I agree with your thoughts on crumble - that's why I wasn't expecting it at all. I guess it worked out for him, but I'm gonna blame that on me keeping ass hands bc I had just been sitting around for 3 hours waiting for the round to start.

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>>47592217

Who else play against themselves to test each deck and learn new strat?

I have two dice and roll them to see the power of each force 20 = full legion 1 = small outpost. I run a tally and have head cannon with each decks conflicts eg: White setting in Athens and fighting off encroaching green beasts, deeper in green territory come black who aim to spread disease, red/white is a faction split from Athens that joined a planeswalker,)

Any Bant Eldrazi players here? What are your 3-drops: Skyspawner or Reshaper?

So I'm going to a big local tourney tomorrow. Running U/G infect. It's gonna look like similar to turtenwalds list.

2 Forest
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Pendelhaven
3 Breeding Pool
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Glistener Elf
4 Blighted Agent
1 Viridian Corrupter
2 Twisted Image
1 Distortion Strike
2 Apostle's Blessing
4 Become Immense
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Vines of Vastwood
1 Dismember
1 Spell Pierce
4 Mutagenic Growth

Sideboard
2 Spell Pierce
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Dispel
3 Nature's Claim
1 Unravel the AEther
2 Dismember
3 Wall of Roots
1 Twisted Image
1 Grafdigger's Cage

Local meta is usually composed of jund jeskai grixis eldrazi zoo affinity merfolk scapeshift

Any suggestions?

>>47599751
Nigga that's autistic as fuck

>>47599751
Son. What are you doing?

>>47599751
as someone else said, that's unbelievably autistic. that said, I do pilot decks against each other myself and I will probably start doing what you described. the hardest part is trying to make decisions as though I don't have perfect information when I really do.

>>47600572
>and I will probably start doing what you described
SON. Why?

>>47600493
honesty I've never liked wall of roots in infect. I always run invisible stalker in that spot, though I admit it's kind of a pet card. my advice is to do everything confidently and if you're dead on board, jam into whatever removal they're representing. sometimes they just don't have it.

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>>47600499
>>47600567
There are no local games near me though and I only have 1 other friend that plays
>>47600572
mfw I witness a dice roll of 3 make a comeback over a 20 roll

>>47600572
>Creative thinking
>abstract way to imagine matchups
>autistic

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>>47600499
>>47600567
Don't your decks have themes? why can't the themes compete against each other? Knights vs Vamps, Wolves vs Rouges and shit like that? I dont have full on fanfic for each deck, just a theme, and as for being autistic....were posting about MTG on a Nippon Weeb site, c'mon

>>47600623
Do you run equipment for your stalker? Like rune chanter?

>>47600750
no, but I usually have 3 wild defiance in the 75 and rancor in the evasion slot. people use their life totals pretty liberally as a resource against infect, especially grindy fair decks.

>>47600867
Is Rancor worth over apostles/distortion? I used to run it but usually board it out after game 1.

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>>47593583
>>47593325
I like it, but how does it win?

Also anyone here play monkey grow? What's it like?

>>47600940
I count blessing as a protection spell rather than evasion. to me, rancor really only feels bad on inkmoth nexus. it's also real cute to nature's claim your own rancor against burn.

>>47601028
monkey grow is dope. being allowed to play force of will when everyone else isn't feels insane. it's like Jund but it trades some percentage points for super cute bullshit, so I prefer it.

>>47601056
How many wild defiance do you have mb?

>>47601179
2. I don't have my exact list with me but I think the pump suite was something like:

4 might
3 groundswell
3 mutagenic
3 become immense

I've been meaning to test with Owen's list though.

>>47601256
The deck is still fast and capable of t2-3 kills without groundswell. Sometimes it's underwhelming when you can't landfall specifically for that kill window around mid-late game.

>>47601419
I totally believe you (srs) I just haven't gotten around to testing without them yet. I also was running 10 fetch 4 fetchable so that helped with landfall a little.

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>>47592959
I had this at the modern weekly. I had a bit of a boner.

>>47600697
Nah man even being on 4chan and talking about Mtg that's still autistic as fuck

>>47601884
I've never played Affinity (although I've played against it plenty of times).

The play is dump everything but Cranial and Springleaf right?

T2 is less clear to me. Assuming no disruption: Cast Drum, cast Plating off the opal and Drum-Ornithopter, attack with Memnite and pump with Steel Overseer right?

>>47602064
you cast drum t1 of nexus. play and equip plating t2 I'm guessing.

Not quite, you dump everything but plating by using spring leaf tapping one of your critters to get the overseer down. Then you swing with the land turn 2 plated up and activate overseer.

>>47602064
Not him but turn 1 play the land, tap and play spring leaf then ornithopter, memnite and opal. Tap springleaf and opal for steel overseer. Next turn you can untap and tap him to pump the team and play a plating, tap ornithopter to equip to memnite and swing for 8

>>47602121
Meant to say you activate the land for the overseer trigger

I put t1 land, creature, creature, tapped land for drum, tapped drum and opal to cast overseer; pass turn. T2 I did cast plating with land and opal, used drum to equip, swing in with ornithoper because they had a blocker, pumped with overseer. 7 damage, 3 beefy creatures turn 2 aint bad at alll.
Overseer dies to a strong wind though.

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>>47600493
Run Kitchen Finks in the sideboard. It's really, REALLY good against Burn, Jund and Grixis.

>but Infect

Dude. It's fucking amazing and it's getting a lot of attention online as of late. Lots of lists run a playset in the sideboard and it's fantastic.

>>47602098
>>47602121
Right, I forgot that drum is essentially free T1.

>>47602204
In Affinity everything dies to a stiff breeze. The thing I've felt losing to the deck is that the deck doesn't care. They're doing something wretched with an Overseer, Signal Pest, Ravager, OR Plating and they have more threats than you have answers.

The deck has so many fucking bad draws but by the time that becomes an issue you're stabilized against it but one of the manlands get you.

It's a weird fucking combo-aggro deck.

>>47602277
i LOVE it when people underestimate signal pest. And when they're DON'T underestimate it, they're spending their t3 mana to abrupt decay it, I'm swinging in with vault skirges and manlands and giving no fucks.

I've been playing Affinity since 2013 and stopped in 2015 but, despite the hate in the meta, Mox Opal has no business being legal.

Do you know how powerful Mox Sapphire is in Vintage? Good thing we can only have one on the battlefield at a time thanks to the Restricted List, or else it would be chaotic. Well, Mox Opal is pretty damn similar in Affinity, except you have 4 copies in your deck instead of 1, extra copies you draw become Lotus Petals (even better Lotus Petals if you have Arcbound Ravager on the battlefield) and it gives you mana of any color. It speeds up the deck to bullshit levels by allowing more consistent T2 Plating Equip plays.

At least the card is definitely on the DCI's watchlist. Affinity will likely get some new toys in Kaladesh and Mox Opal will get banned.

>>47602514
The deck is beatable even with a bunch of opals in hand and ravager on board. Sure, it feels "unfair", but if enough decks in the meta can win, then if you lose to it, it's either bad luck or your own fault for playing a deck that can't beat it.

Decks with ancient grudge and a bunch of removal (Bg/x) make affinity sweat, because if you stop them after their turn 1-2 hand dumps, they go into RDW top-deck mode. Infect can combo around affinity, especially if blessing in hand. Tron plays pyroclasm, karn, and ugin main, which is enough explanation. Jeskai control has access to stony silence, pyroclasm, electrolyze, a buttfuckload of counterspells/ other removal.

Affinity is probably the best deck game 1 in the format, but game 2/3 is an entirely different story.

You're correct about kaladesh though. If the artifacts are too gud, Affinity might get too good.

>>47595563
Prepare for byes against ad nauseam.

>>47602514
Piggy backing off cards that are stupid broken in certain decks, I'm surprised that ancient stirrings is still legal. I play R/G Tron and the consistency that the card provides the deck is absurd. At least it's only used in that one deck and is a common (I think?) so I doubt it will get the banhammer

Nth for Kiki chord

>>47603389
Ancient stirrings see play in Bant Eldrazi as well. The card is actually pretty broken in general.

>>47603389
now you've made me miss playing amulet bloom :(

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Whats the current meta for land destruction?

>>47604101
the rg dark-dweller stone rain deck is getting a little popularity. it's still a fringe deck at best but it's good draws are ball crushing

>>47604101
How is this a guaranteed quit?

Most decks in modern run fuck all for basics

>>47600493
Spell Pierce is an amazing card.

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>>47592959
This wouldn't be too bad.

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>>47604192
Must be my local meta, I only see basics along with a handful of dual/ triple lands to shore up mana screw. If lots of nonbasics are a thing, then pic related becomes more viable.

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>>47604222
Holy fack just survived a zooicide onslaught at 2 life. Turn 1 vision, turn 2 howling mine, after his turn I'm at 4 life at this point. Turn 3 Exhaustion, he plays 2 Swiftspears and brings me to 2. I draw a Cryptic, pass and he casts thoughtseize, which I counter+tap, then I go off from there.

Missing: 1 Warp and 1 sb Grafdiggers.

Gonna pick up the School/Cloud package but hot damn is it expensive. Considering an Engulf the Shores instead of Evacuate, even with 6 non-islands it looks better. Alternatively I could just cut it

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>>47592959
>What does your decks pretty good hand look like?
Plains, Waste, Port, Vial, Mom, Mystie, Thalia

>>47604410
Nice to see another turns player.

I've been using this decklist for a while:

4 Thing in the Ice
4 Dictate of Kruphix
4 Serum Visions
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Time Warp
2 Part the Waterveil
2 Walk the Aeons
4 Temporal Mastery
2 Cryptic Command
4 Remand
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Jace Beleren
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Radiant Fountain
18 Island

SIDEBOARD (15)
3 Sun Droplet
1 Grafdigger’s Cage
2 Gigadrowse
3 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Hibernation
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Spellskite


>Gonna pick up the School/Cloud package but hot damn is it expensive.

I want to buy some foil Japanese ones, not sure how expensive that's gonna run me.

hey constructedfags, i just opened a nahiri do u guys think she is going up or down in price in the future

>>47604601
her price right now depends entirely on standard. That being said, I can't imagine many ways her price will stay $30 forever.

>>47604410
just between anons, are some of those cards proxied.

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>>47604410
Also have you seen Reid Duke's UW version?

http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/200470

I like having access to Timely Reinforcements and Path to Exile but after playing it a lot in xmage I find the Celestial Colonnade to be a really flimsy wincon.

Here's his video on it.

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Hey, I'm new to mtg and I found this card (pic related). I'm a little confused as to how its effect works. Does it mean that one skeleton has to be in the graveyard, and one on the field, and the one on the field can take the other our of the graveyard? Or can I have an empty board, and the skeleton in the graveyard, and tap mana to get it back to my hand?

>>47604664
it's the second

>>47604664
you're right that normally activated abilities only work for creatures that are on the battlefield. but if it says something like "move this from your graveyard to x location" then it means that activated ability actually only works when it is in your graveyard, instead of only when it is in play. so, all that means is when it's in your yard you can pay 3 to put it in your hand

>>47604632
only the cryptic, but I'm getting a real one. lgs took away my chinaman snappys already so I don't want to bring in another.

>>47604702
>>47604708
that's some crazy ass shit

>>47604721
>lgs took away my chinaman snappys already
Villas?

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These are fun.

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>>47604879
These are not. Ask me anything about Modern Elves.

>>47604629
>her price right now depends entirely on standard
She isn't played in standard.

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>>47604662
Its a cool take on it, path softens up the g1 infect mathup, and can deal with Melira combo. The landbase seems a bit painful, but the timelys can be REALLY damn good. Narset seems winmore, but at the same time acts as a sort of mine #5. I wouldn't care for it but it's also really spicy and fun.

White gives you some really competitive sideboard options. the fetches are cute with Temporal Trespass, and you might btfo a burn player game 1 with the 2of timely, but the fetches will hurt and a burn player packs lots of anti-life gain so IMO it evens out.

Imo I think monoblue is best, if you dont draw timely the fetches might get you got.

>>47604591
Hmmm the Sundroplets, how have they been? I like your list anon, Titi is really cool. I feel like he suffers the same thing mini Jace does, where he gets Terminated all day. If they path him though, hey free ramp is sweet.

>>47597311
at Comp REL people will try to decay the nexus hoping you forget about the nonland clause

people also try to level up infect players by blocking an inkmoth nexus with a flashed in snapcaster since 99.9% of the things that have flash have flying in mtg

>>47605055
that's actually cheating though. it's not like jamming spells into chalice of the void.

>>47605055
people frequently try to block my blighted agent bc they actually just forget. it's fun to just say "nope."

>>47604662
For some reason the link didn't post:
https://youtu.be/YsywC3dIUTU

>>47595563
you'll lose....A LOT

it's not a very good deck

but people are afraid of it

infect is 90% image and threatening what is possible without actually having the ability to do it


if they're working with perfect info you lose

if you turn 2 someone don't make a big deal about it, and mention how it's SUPER COMMON

it will happen maybe once every 200 games, if you're lucky

but it scares people into misplaying

>>47605086
haha they're actually checking to see if you remembered

same with exalted triggers

"i don't see how it's 10" is them seeing if you remember to count exalted after you tell them damage dealt

>>47605072
a lot of magic players cheat, and players view cheating against infect decks as par for the course since "infect players are bad people and cheating against them is like stealing from a criminal"

>>47605007
>Imo I think monoblue is best, if you dont draw timely the fetches might get you got.
Yeah I've been playing the UW version on xmage but I'm still going to stick to the mono U version when I play in person.

>Hmmm the Sundroplets, how have they been?
It's been helpful against burn. I've been thinking about replacing them with Chalices though.

>I like your list anon, Titi is really cool. I feel like he suffers the same thing mini Jace does, where he gets Terminated all day.
I've been on/off the Things lately. I replaced my set of Gigadrowses for them but I've been having second thoughts.

>>47605120
>"i don't see how it's 10" is them seeing if you remember to count exalted after you tell them damage dealt
I thought you don't have to announce triggers, merely acknowledge that the triggers exist. If you count the exalted trigger during the damage step, you haven't missed it.

>>47600493
>Local meta is usually composed of jund jeskai grixis eldrazi zoo affinity scapeshift

>Any suggestions?

don't play infect

scapeshift has chalice on 1 and they board in A LOT of fucking copies

the control-ish decks jeskai and grixxis run too much removal and interaction for you to fight

jund will out attrition you almost every time and thoughtseize IOK will attack your silver bullets

zoo and affinity are faster and run more removal than you know what to do with.

affinity is like a 40% win matchup, zoo is a little lower depending on build.


you entire sideboard is ill-equipped to handle any of those threats

>>47605169
you don't

but they'll usually shuffle shit around, change subject then start the argument and call a judge

i've been to i think 4? PPTQ's and people pull some seriously shady shit at them

and the shadiest shit is pulled by the bigger names that you wouldn't belive if i told you, for example joe lossett is always at San Diego Games and Comics at like every major event they have and that faggot will steal candy from a baby if it meant he got a bye to aGP

>>47605210
>and the shadiest shit is pulled by the bigger names that you wouldn't belive if i told you
Trust me, I'll believe you.

TG

IS BOTTLEGNOMES GOOD

OR SHOULD I USE THE SLOT FOR A RATCHET BOMB (rip flipcard ruling fuck u maro)

>>47605180
this guy is super wrong. I've literally nt ever lost to affinity. infect is just faster and their only meaningful interaction is galvanic blast, which they have to telegraph super hard and you can easily play around it.

>>47605300
>>47605300
idk who the fuck you've been playing but affinity tends to have a faster clock than infect especially if they fuck with your plans early on

a lot of people default to "hurr durr blighted agent"

yeah but on the draw.....playing blighted agent.....then waiting until your second turn to hit them hard.......affinity goldfishes turn 3 wins if you're not stupid

unless your idiot friends cut down on opals and cut down on cranial platings then it should be an easy matchup for affinity


i've actually lent my personal infect deck out at a tournament and faced it when i was piloting my affinity list.......and I didn't falter on the 2-0

>>47605385
infect also goldfishes turn 3 kills consistently? we play main deck twisted images and viridian corrupter and side in nature's claim. im just saying I've played against the deck in multiple comp rel events and I usually poop on it so idk what to tell you.

>>47604722
if you say so

>>47605055
>people will try to decay the nexus hoping you forget about the nonland clause
Even if you're drunk or something and do throw nexus in the yard the game would have to be rollbacked to the point when the decay was played because it's something you literally aren't allowed to do.

>>47600572
I'd argue it's actually better to test with perfect information if you can actually play, that way punts are eliminated out of the process and you can see strengths and weaknesses of both decks in specific situations.

>>47605385

Wow you lent your deck to someone and managed to beat them when you were intimately familiar with both decks? Gee I guess the matchup's solved guys, better pack up those glistener elves.

>>47605558
I feel like a big part of the game is having to anticipate what your opponent might have and play around it accordingly. if you play with perfect information they just jam pump spells when they see you don't have bolt/path, etc.

How do you get started with this game?

>>47605606
you start by paying up $1000
like, seriously, you bored of hearthstone or something?

>>47592230

>goblins are lost

Hold me bros.

How would you guys make a kiki jiki deck? Would you make it URx, UWR, or go for the kiki-chord one?
I just finished making affinity but i want to make a new deck so I dont get bored with affinity..

>>47605631
Done. My magic licence is in the post. It's only valid until September though. Do I have to renew each season? Should I buy cards now?

>>47605647
how could you get bored with affinity when you can just repeatedly stomp infect so hard? 60% winrate, dude!

>>47605650
what, really? no, for modern you don't have to renew ever, unless they ban your deck out or something. i guess for standard you would have to renew your $300-$400 deck piece by piece over the course of a year or so. are you at all familiar with the game at least casually? it takes a little while to learn the game itself as well as the meta; to be honest i'm really not sure where i would recommend starting. ideally you'd find some helpful people who can help you learn, if you haven't played before. if you have played before just buy some random tier 1 deck from mtgtop8 and get crushed until you learn how to play competitively

>>47605606
Play casually with friends until you feel like moving on. Then spend all your money on a competitive deck and start going to FNM.

If you don't have friends to play with then go to your LGS and ask if they have days with casual play or if someone there will help you learn the game.

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>>47605674
>affinity being favored vs infect

>>47605745
were you not reading the thread? I was mocking some tripfag

>>47605753
Alright carry on.

>>47605647
Kiki-Chord is the most popular Kiki Jiki deck.
>I just finished making affinity but i want to make a new deck so I dont get bored with affinity..
I think Affinity is fun to play. Been playing for about a year and haven't gotten bored yet.

>haven't played since Urza's Saga
>old cards all at parent's house
>starting from scratch with no knowledge of new rules/keywords

What do I buy? I think I'd prefer the most recent, relevant thing. Is Origins a good place to start, or should I get something from the Innistrad block? I'm thinking a starter deck and a fat pack, but I don't know what's out there anymore.

>>47605647
RW feat. blood moon, fulminator, avalance riders, wall of omens, restoration angel, reveillark, etc

>>47606542
if you just want to play casually with friends and aren't looking to become real invested in the game that's fine. you can pick up an intro deck and buy some boosters and spiffy it up with whatever you open.

if you're interested in playing competitively at all, buying sealed product is a waste of money. find a shop that does drafts, do a few of those to get back in the swing of things, then go to a website like mtggoldfish or mtgtop8 and find a deck in colors you like then buy the singles to put that together.

>>47606618
Thanks, man. Definitely not looking to get competitive now, so I'll just go with the deck/packs option. I've always loved opening packs, anyhow.

Any particular set I should look for, or just... anything within the past X years?

>>47605210

It's not really hard to believe that, honestly. We all know about the shit Drew Levin pulled just to get someone out of his way, these cum-guzzling cock goblins will do anything to win some cash.

>>47602122
>not equipping to ornithopter
Nigga...

>>47606705
Depends on whether they have a blocker out. You have the choice between flying or +1 damage.

>>47601028
>monkey grow
What happened to the name "Temur delver"? Or are you running a list without delver?

>>47604242
Crumble does nothing against mono color decks (elves, merfolk, RDW to name a few), it can't be recast with Dankdweller, and you can't cast it on turn three before your opponent has cast their threats. It's great against Tron, but I prefer Bramblecrush as my 4CMC mainboard as it can destroy enchantments, planeswalkers and artifacts, which are more common.

>>47599751
>>47600499
>>47600567
>>47600572

The poor guy did not deserve being called autistic

>>47604901
>Eldritch Moon will see a new Emrakul print
Oh, anon, she will be. She will be.

>>47605541
If you pass the turn after putting it in the graveyard, I don't think a judge will rollback since it involves rolling back the card draw of the turn. Typically both players will get a Warning (the Decayer for making an illegal play and the opponent for letting him), and the judge will let you play from there, I think.

>>47605606
You don't.
Seriously though, get your friends into the game and buy a Duel deck box, or visit your local game store and try to befriend people in your community. Borrow their decks and make them teach u the game.

>>47606542
>Haven't played since Urza's Saga
The Urzatron lands (Tower, Power Plant and Mine) are featured in a tier 1 Modern format deck. Look over your collection; you might have some good cards to put to use.

>>47592217
>Playing
Skred, since I always get asked for a list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/reg-skred/
>Brewing
Boros Kiki
>Next MTG purchase
Only have 3 arid mesa so a 4th arid mesa I guess.

>>47606652
Opening packs is a waste of time and money. If you want to open packs anyway, look up Limited events in your local game store. Limited events are either Draft or Sealed. Most stores draft the newest set (currently Shadows over Innistrad) every friday. It's a nice way to boost your collection while having fun opening boosters and playing with the cards, while practicing your deck building skills. Plus you get to know your community.

>>47603389
I'm the anti-Opal guy from earlier, I also own Tron. I agree with you.

5 cards deep for 1 mana is ridiculous. I guess they don't want BLUE decks to be too consistent.

>>47604721
Don't trust the shills here. We will find out your cards are fake.

>>47604601
Dump as fast and hard as you can. That's what SCG has been doing.

>>47606808
I thought monkey grow always was it's name, it's what people call it on its primers

I'm fairly new to mtg, started by buying the zendikar vs eldrazi decks.
I like the eldrazi but I want to build something with big dragons, where should I start?

>>47607933
EDH.

>>47607567
Good luck, you fucking kike

>>47607933
EDH. Don't get into modern. Please, please please don't get into Modern.

>>47608087
>Don't get into modern.
Why not?

>>47608101
You won't get to play dragons or have fun.

>>47608191
If not dragons, what about angels?
My biggest problem is I don't even know what exists.

>>47608229
Just play EDH. Then you can play dragons.

>>47605745
Spellskite, sideboard Dispatch, possibly whipflare

>>47608229
>>47607933
Don't get into modern until you know the game more. I don't mean that in an insulting way either. Modern is very expensive and you need to know what type of deck you'd want to spend most of your time playing before you get into modern.

>>47608191
>You won't get to play dragons or have fun.
Not correct
>>47608229
Just play skred, it's kind of expensive, but it's fun.
and you get to play dragons

>>47608754
more people play whipflare than dispatch. I have more spellskite hate than they have spellskites. whipflare is easy af to play around.

>>47601028

>how does it win

spellweaver helix, retrace time stretch. effective infinite turns, get another helix and go worldfire flame jab. retrace flame jab, dead from infinite hp.

>>47608968
I thought it was supposed to counter everything and then sphinx rev for 15.

If I cast seek do I need to declare a card before searching?

>>47609309
no

>>47605210
The "pro" magic scene is filled to the brim with shitty people who outright cheat on camera, not to mention use speed and shit. Who could forget that JtMS's 0 actually isn't an ancestral recall?

>>47609986
How would you cheat on camera?

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>>47607567
Honest man, only the cryptic is fake. The other cards are really not expensive (minus the warps) and the "chinaman blue primer" i picked up only came with the really pricy stuff like snaps, vendillion, jace the mind sculptor, and vintage stuff. I don't even think they make proxies of Extra Turns cards considering it's a tier 3 poopydeck

>>47608072
Easy there Hanz, nobody will suspect the skinhead dredge player of buying off a chinaman.

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>Playing?
Jund, Torpor Orb jank, Suicide Zoo

>Brewing?
Esper control

>Next MtG Purchase?
Probably the Manlands for Esper control

Any of you fags in the Rosenberg tx area
I have so many fucking cards and no one to play against
Like 3 full pizza boxes + shoebox + binder + decks

>>47604889
>>47604879
Why do you hate answers?
How do you feel about pyroclasm?

>>47610250
Not that guy but it generally 2for1s as you're aware of the decks that mainboard it (rg tron), either you see a burnwillows or a chromatic or whatever. Instead of turn 1 elf, turn 2 chain together a bunch of elves, you can turn 2 ezuri and regen all the shit that comes your way. If it's an anger of the gods, it'll be too slow and at most kill 2 elves.

>>47610362
Well it's obvious you don't play the deck

How do I start building a good deck?

>>47610408
4 tarmogoyf
4 Liliana if the veil
Start from there

>>47610447
kthx

>>47610013
Feature matches.

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Do you guys think a land destruction package is necessary in a mono black control shell

>>47610520
I think you should just play ghost quarter + surgical to stand any chance against tron

Is there any card in mono red that can deal with enchantments?

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>>47610642
Ratchet Bomb

>>47610658
But I want to get rid of stony silence.

>>47610642
Red and Black are the two colors without any means of removing enchantments. You either have to splash or use >>47610658

>>47596091
no you aren't that would be stupid

>>47610698
That ain't an enchantment bruh

>>47600493
>Any suggestions?
play burn?

>>47610698
Stop playing stupid skred lists with terrible mindstones

>>47610711
Nevermind I'm a big retard

>>47610702
But I also want a way to get rid of blood moon. If only it made non basic lands a color that could get rid of enchantments instead.

>>47610752
you're in mono red and you care about blood moon?

>>47610789
Maybe worried about his snow mountains

>>47610818
wew

>>47610818
>>47610789
Im not in mono red, but I want a reliable way to get rid of blood moon and stony silence as I play a deck that doesn't have a lot of basics.

>>47610840
>Is there any card in mono red that can deal with enchantments?
>Im not in mono red

>>47610111
>pizza boxes of cards

Wut

>>47610403
You're right at that. I play rdw though and Ezuri is a huge twat to deal with, Flamebreak is my super secret anti-elves tech. Besides everyone swapped their pyros for angers lately, I haven't seen a pyroclasm in any decks but tron.

>>47610658
Daily reminder that wizards nerfed ratchet bomb
You'll have to wait until Return to New Phyrexia if you want to deal with Stony/Leyline/Worship

>>47610881
Americans

>>47610889
How is it nerfed?

>>47610840
You know you can float mana?

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>>47610881
>>47610905
Large prefab cardboard card boxes
europeans

>>47610937
Transformed cards no longer have a CMC of 0. A transformed card now has the same CMC as the default side. For example, Ravager of the Fells is CMC4. Jace, Telepath Unbound is now CMC2.

>>47611023
Since when?

>>47610937
SOI flip card rules changes regarding cmc. You can't pop it to immediately kill Delver+young P tokens, miniJace or Titi, and it can no longer quickly deal with Huntmaster.

>>47611023
wow wtf
when was this changed?

>>47611040
Since SOI, they just sneaked it in.
Probably so standard kids wouldnt get butthurt when someone D. Waves their Arlin or something.

>>47604965
>61 cards

>>47611353
actually nothing wrong with that

>>47611365
you're probably right

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>>47611371
I've been playing 76 in infect for a while now. this list won states.

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>>47611419
You cannot convince me this is alright

>>47610826
The thing that makes me really angry about this is that they're chosen in some random, irrelevant way. Ruined power, and not even a good set for ponyfags.

>>47611419
It won despite having 76, not because of it.

>>47611419
why would you lower the consistency of INFECT

WHAT IS GOING ON

>>47611508
it doesn't lower the consistency, it's about the ratio of lands to spells. disrupting shoal is the truth.

>>47610826
>Time Vault
>power

>>47611524
Battle of Wits new tier 1

same ratio of lands to spells

>>47611550
like I get what you're saying but battle of wits can't kill your opponent on turn 2 with force of will backup in modern.

>>47611560
there's no way a 76 card deck is reliably killing on turn 2 or 3, and it honestly would surprise me that it can consistant goldfish turn 4

>>47611598
you know I meant 76 in total, right? like, including sideboard. I'm not presenting 76 to my opponent at the start of the match.

>>47611615
oh good

>>47611459
Anti-mill tech

NEXTLEVEL
E
X
TECH

>>47611663
>Anti-Mill tech
One Ula/Emmy/Cosi.

>>47611663
some dude plays mill at my fnms sometimes and I legitimately side in extra cards and mulligan to become immense

>>47611703
But why not just side in an Emrakul so he can't win?

I really fancy MTG. The thing is that I have only played this game online. I am currently playing Magic: Duels. I bet the game would be a lot of fun with friends. The problem is that MTG is almost unheard of where I live. Not shitting you, the closest weekly event is about 150km from me.
Should I introduce the game to my friends and trick the into buying cards so they can play with me? What's the best way to introduce someone to MTG with no prior TCG experience?

>>47611758
not enough mana producing lands in the deck to ever cast it
waste of a sideboard slot entirely
mill runs surgical extraction maindeck

>>47611898
I'd go with building pauper decks f you want to go legit. otherwise, buy cool shit from China and treat it like a board game. if your friends are into gay nerd shit, they'll like it.

>>47611957
What's a pauper deck?
And do you suggest me to buy the cheapest shit from China? Like I don't want to spend more than 20 euros, but I'm okay with having very basic and common cards for starters.

>>47611987
pauper is a format where only cards printed at common are allowed, so you can build competitive decks for like ~$10

>>47611941
>casting it
You seem to have missed my point.

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>>47612011
>so you can build competitive decks for like ~$10
$50-60 actually. Expect that to double or even triple if Pauper is legitimized as a competitive paper format.

>mfw

>>47612110
no I got that it shuffles back in. I meant if I draw it I effectively drew nothing, which is fucking garbage.

>>47611419
I've tried blue shoal infect before. It's fucking trash.

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>>47595630

>>47612220
I 4-0d my last fnm, playing against jeskai nahiri, Jund, avian, and burn

>>47611419
nice fucking handwriting you street trash

>>47612300
>avian
kek, abzan

>>47604889

I wouldn't play Abrupt Decay in Elves. It's a fairly dead card that doesn't really help you go fast and you have an extremely slim chance of drawing into it. Many times you will end up sliding it to the bottom off a CoCo, especially since you're lacking the Horizon Canopy cantripping.

>>47612320
it's not my handwriting, I met the dude who designed it while i was using the bathroom at gp Charlotte.
my handwriting is worse than his

>>47604889
Bever played elves before, I'm genuinely curious; what makes GB Elves so much less fun than GW? Shaman of the pack feels like a more reliable wincon than Craterhoof.

>>47612526
>Shaman of the pack feels like a more reliable wincon than Craterhoof
How do you come to this conclusion?
Craterhoof is easy to cast and makes everyone enormous tramplers. Shaman is a double bolt most of the time

>>47608754
Eady to play around, Blighted Agent can't realistically be answered and Affinity's average kill is 1-2 turns slower.

I'm fairly new to magic, and I just want some card sleeves, it doesn't super matter what the color or pattern is. What's a good brand/place to get them?

>>47612992
kmc

>>47612871
>How do you come to this conclusion?
Because I'm afraid of fog effects and very bad at magic.
Shaman comes down earlier than Craterhoof and can be cast off of CoCo.
Craterhoof is undoubtedly stronger, but it feels Win-more-ish
It also gets fucked if your opponent has a bridge out.

In any case I'm a burn player so my judgement is kinda awful.

>>47612992
Get Dragonshield Matte Sleeves
KMCs are really good and feel nice to shuffle, but they split like a motherfucker. I split at least a dozen of them back when I played twin, but never once have a Split a Dragonshield.

Also make sure to get inner sleeves, it essentially makes your deck waterproof.

>>47604722
It's decent in limited formats, but 4 mana to keep recasting it is awful in anything constructed

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>>47612110
I've always wanted to run this card.
>cantrips
>disables delirium
>"gain 3 mill-life"

>>47612871

This isn't Legacy Elves where you can cantrip ahoy with Glimpse towards a Craterhoof and replay Elves while generating infinite mana and tapping a Gaea's Cradle. Shaman comes down earlier and faster and will completely blow through damage reduction and prevention mechanics. For example you can kill an Ad Nauseam player through an Angel's Grace that gets played in response to lethal attack and also lets you sap them below 0 if they have a Phyrexian Unlife out and allowing you to start doing Infect damage asap.

Also as for Craterhoof being easy to cast over Shaman of the Pack is pretty amusing for you to state. Shaman can always be Chorded for quite quickly, Craterhoof is not that easy to Chord for to get maximum value out of it. Against Jund you will never ever ever be able to play a Craterhoof for maximum potential and win.

>>47612119
Nigger, MBC with oubliettes costs $60, most pauper decks are around $10-20

>>47613025
>I'm a burn player so my judgment is kind of awful

Well at least you admit it

>>47613453
This isn't legacy elves where you have a huge number on the field for shaman to work.

Who cares that you can pull some gimmick shit on ad nauseum? Deck would lose to the aggro anyway and it's barely played.

Jund hurts itself alot so it will be lethal.

>>47613569

>This isn't legacy elves where you have a huge number on the field for shaman to work.

I don't think you play Elves in legacy because they don't play Shaman of the Pack there. Otherwise you wouldn't say this.

>Who cares that you can pull some gimmick shit on ad nauseum? Deck would lose to the aggro anyway and it's barely played.

Aggro matchups are actually Ad Nauseam's best matchups so I don't think you play that deck either, the odd times i've lost to creatures in Ad Nauseam has been either to Infect creatures or an opponent dropping a Siege Rhino post combat in BGx decks after an Angel's Grace response.

You don't need a huge number of Elves on the field. Draining anywhere between 3-6 is a huge enough swing and puts a 3-6 power body on the field depending on the amount of lords out. Makes absolutely no difference if they kill it or path it since ability on the stack, it's also uncounterable and can't be Remanded back to hand/Leaked or blanked with a Cryptic Command. And the times when you do have a huge number of Elves on the field Shaman is a kill without requiring an attack.

>Jund hurts itself alot so it will be lethal.

Jund also plays a crapload of removal and hand disruption that you'll never be able to have enough Elves on ground to convoke for a Craterhoof nor will you hardly ever be able to have enough mana to sink into hardcasting one reliably. Jund is not a favoured matchup for Elves but not entirely lopsided but it is most definitely an uphill battle.

Hey memefags, you have successfully forced me to want to play the spellweaver deck. I need a full 75 list

>>47613569

>Who cares that you can pull some gimmick shit on ad nauseum? Deck would lose to the aggro anyway and it's barely played.
>Ad Nauseam
>Solid tier 2 status
>wins a GP
>Barely played
>BARELY PLAYED
>sees as much play as Kiki-Chord
>BARELY PLAYED

U wot mate?

>>47604879
Where's the singleton Disciple of Nylea for chord?

>>47604879
>>47614142
Also where's your Imperious Perfects?

You are all so bad at magic. That is all.

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>>47613863
I've got no idea what the sideboard looks like, but I managed to steal >>47593583's deck by squinting really hard
Not sure why it runs breaking and entering over glimpse of the unthinkable though.

>>47614142
>>47614165
Just stop.

>>47613079
I've been using KMCs for years and I've never split one, what kind of shuffling are you doing

I tried dragonshields a couple times and they just get so hard/shitty to shuffle I can't stand it, they are built to last though

>>47613441
to blow out mill players running extraction run 1 emmy 1 koz 1 ulamog 1 gaea's blessing 1 blighsteel

but who would ever do that, mill sucks

>>47614348
I just do ordinary Weave Shuffling, I would go for that fancy-ass riffle shuffling shit were my deck not so expensive.

My dragonshields shuffle just as good now as they did when I first bought them (maybe a little better due to them being less slippery)

>>47614348
I use KMCs but the quality is inconsistent, I had some sleeves that split easily at the bottom, and I have another that are older and seen more wear but none of them has split yet. Sometimes there is a length difference between different sets of sleeves. Just feel and shuffle great, though. Dragonshields feel so wierd to play with, but they are undoubtedly more robust than KMCs.

>>47614183
They play it because they can't afford glimpse

>>47613079
>>47614549

By any chance are you using KMC Hyper Matte PREMIUMS or SUPER series? Those ones have issues with inconsistent quality where as the regular Hyper Matte KMC's tend to be of really good quality.

>>47613863
>>47614183
This is his current list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whiteless-dredgeweaver/
The current sideboard is complete ass and don't use it, that's it. It needs some way to beat any leyline. It's very explosive and very glass cannon, but can cheese some T2 wins with god draws.

I've been experimenting with a sulati version here http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-helix-2/
It plays a very grindy control matchup with cards that are good outside of setting up the spellweaver combo, like discard, lili and general black goodstuff. The nice thing about this is it runs a gift ungiven package, so it's very consistent without opening itself up to graveyard hate. It wins through an "infinite" combo with spellweaver imprinting ravens crime+dark petition. Ravens crime, dark petition with BBB in pool, tutor a land, discard to crime, BB in pool, dark petition, BBBB, repeat until you have a fuckton of mana and exsanguinate for a million, which is nice because it wins through leyline of sanctity.

So two flavors of spellweaver, explosiveness vs grindy. The grindy one I feel like has a higher chance to perform better if piloted by an experienced player, as it isn't BTFO by graveyard hate

>>47613469
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper#paper

Show me the $20 decks, senpai.

>>47614705
I use the regular Hyper Mattes

>>47613686
Actually, most newer Legacy Elves lists are dropping Natural Order for more maindeck one-ofs, and Shaman is always present.

>>47614766

Really weird that you're having those issues then.

>>47614801

Huh you're right, it seems play as a singleton these days. Still I digress that Modern Elves just cannot reliably combo into a Craterhoof in GB variants.

>>47614843
>backtracking this hard

Nobody ever said they were playing hoof in GB elves

>>47615020

>backtracking
>Nobody ever said they were playing hoof in GB elves

Mate did you actually follow the chain of conversation or do you have selective reading? Guy reckons that Craterhoof is a between wincon in Modern Elves over Shaman which is magnanimously false.

>>47614719
I very much like the more grindy control version, thank you for the lists

>>47615182
No problem, I'm with you on that. It just feels much stronger

>>47614757
if you have the staples like probe and delver ponder preordain bolt etc the rest of each deck is super cheap

>>47615531
yeah that's what I meant wen I first said $10 bc that's how much I spent in store credit on each of my decks. forgot about crossover format staples I already had. but those cards are cheap(ish) for their primary formats, comparatively.

>>47615059
not sure you know what magnanimous means. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since it seems like spellcheck is fucking with you.

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>>47613025
Shaman isn't that great. I mean you could get a lucky CoCo inot 2 Shamans but that barely ever happens. Mono Green with thickets let's me just conentrate on mana ramp. Throw in a nykthos and you're generating mad mana. Best scenario you drop a hoof and slam em with a tide of elves. Worse case you chord for whatever you need, be it a Reclamation Sage or Ezuri. Black Green literally just comes down to, "I have 5 elves, play a Shaman, ping you for six, then durdle until I can get another or an ezuri"

New thread
>>47616345
>>47616345

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>>47616502
>>47616502
>>47616502

New proper thread.

>>47611042

So a card that barely saw some fringe play in Modern can no longer kill cards that don't see any play in Modern. Wew such a nerf.

>>47602821

I drop maybe 1 match in 10 against Tron. The rest of your points are valid however.

>>47600679
>autism means not creative and not abstract
Nigga wat

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>>47592217
I have one copy of pic related, what should I do with it?

>>47620484
Do nothing.

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>>47620771

Oh! Thanks anon I'll be sure to do that right now! thanks again for such an insightful comment, so rare these days, wow just wow #Blessed

>>47604586
mah nigga

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>>47620484
sell it, the deck is a bit of a meme and is super hype right now. or trade it for shit you want, you do you my man.

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I picked up grishoalbrand again because once I started actually using the splice mechanic the deck became like, 5 billion times more consistent. It's still garbage.

Is Mono Black Infect (phyrexian crusaders + vatmothers with thoughtseize/inquisitions) a good entry point for modern? How do you think would this list fare?

>>47625594
I think it would lose to basically everything

>>47625663
I see. What would you recommend as a good, reasonably priced entry then? Something that isn't Mono R burn preferably.

>>47625594
>>47625684

>thoughtseize and inquisitions
>reasonably priced
just go G or RG budget infect, you'll wreck everyone at your locals probably.

>>47625684
I shouldnt have been so blunt. Mono black control was a fringe deck like 4 years ago.
A good entry deck to the format aside from burn and affinity (I really don't recommend affinity) would be something like zoo or coco. Zoo has a high cost because of goyf though and coco has a few expensive parts but overall isn't too bad.

>>47625756
>thoughtseize and inquisitions
>reasonably priced

Well, to be honest, getting playsets of both and the rest of the list I had in mind would have costed me around 150 pounds because I already happen to have Inkmoth Nexi, so it's not that bad - I don't need playsets of land 50 bucks each.

>G or RG budget infect
Sounds interesting, got any lists links?

>>47625772
>CoCo
Do CoCo elves work? I was considering elves because they seem to be cheap save for stuff like CoCo itself or Glimpse of Nature

>>47625813
>Glimpse of Nature
Banned senpai
Elves is alright but without glimpse it's Meh. Honestly as someone new to the format, I'd recommend not straying too far from the conceived decks. They're built by many many people spending many many hours testing against all many of decks. They put in the work to build those decks.

>>47592959
>Kami of False Hope / Topplegeist
>Aether Vial
>Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
>Phantasmal Image
>Drogskol Captain
>Hallowed Fountain
>1-2 basic lands

Spirits tribal is extremely fun. It really has a lot of control tools specialized for every T1 deck, so the sideboard plays an extremely important role in the deck.

At the same time it remains an aggro tribal deck, but its a very unique one, better than merfolk and elves I'd say.

>>47625895

>spirit tribal
>better than fish or elves

nice try

>>47625813

Elves works fine but can be expensive due to wanting Cavern of Souls.

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>>47592959
mox d, port, loam, exploration, stage, depths, wasteland

>>47592959
Darkslick, AV, Island, BB, Darkslick, VC, SSS.

>>47595563
It loses to Faeries. Hard.