Warhammer 40k General

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Why aren't space mariners given comfort women?

preferably eldar

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How accurate is this?

>>47583680
when you get that armor off they're smooth like ken dolls

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>>47583631
First for 9th chapter. For Sanguinius!

>>47583680

Sex drive is conditioned away.

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>>47583901
Claimed for the Great Angel!

>>47583798
Not remotely.

Having my first battle soon, 500pts of my Eldar vs Tyranids. How does this list look? Should I go Runes of Fate for the seer?

1x Farseer, singing spear- 105pts

10x Guardians with ScatPlat- 105pts

5x Dire Avengers- 65pts

5x Striking Scorpions with Exarch, 2x chainsabres- 122pts

1x Vyper with dual shuriken cannons- 50pts

1x Vyper with dual shuriken cannons- 50pts

497 pts total

I know the Tyranid dude got the starter boxset, so I'm expecting buttloads of gaunts and a 'fex, no idea what the HQ will be though. Thoughts?

>>47583680
Space Wolves probably are

>>47583798
Reaper should be Horus, I know that much.

>>47583901
9th Legion, not Chapter.

>>47583680
I think it's strongly implied every instinct in a Space Marine is stymied and redirected towards warfare and loyalty to the chapter.

>>47586314

You'll win, you picked Eldar.

game over.

Can anyone give me some good pointers on a 750 point zone mortalis Tyranid army?

I have a ton of genestealers, snd the terrain I have seen is much more "ship interior", so I am looking to make a Space Hulk like army. I just need a lot more thsn just genestealers, but I have no idea what it should be, especially the HQs are leaving me wondering.

I only have the models, never played nids before. Trying to pick up a more fun army than my Iyanden Eldar army

>>47583631
I would call this the best cover image to date, though the white background and inaccurate scales of the characters detract a bit.

Nothing that can't be fixed with a light shooping.

Would 4 boxes of "Get Started!" and a GuC/Wingprince be a solid stab at a nugle daemons army?

>>47587061
Few warriors maybe, close quarters lets them get stuck in easier without sucking so much bullet.

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painting my scions like this.
what colors should the eyes and lights be?

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>>47587230
Shoop it, then. Here's another egg marine for variety. Only two images I can find from "Dr.Badman."

>>47587361
Depends, how are you going to do their bases?

>>47583798
Gorilla man should be Magnus.

Th'or Bjorn should be Leman Russ

>>47587288
Warriors do look good. Should I stick a Prime in as my HQ? Or just take the Tervigon?

>>47586365
chapters came first

real OGs don't call them legions

>>47587548
Matter of taste.
I prefer bipedal nids for boadring games, only quadrupeds should be hormagaunts erupting from vents and rippers leaping out of corpses and floor plates.

>>47587576
Real OGs were spaghettis so fuck what they called anything.

>>47587408
orange-ish with green grass tufts
think blood gulch from halo 1

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>>47587548
tervigon likely won't be able to fit through a lot of entrances, and although the spawning gaunts could be useful, buffing warrior units is probably better

Prime's get work done in small games, where S8 is considerably rarer. Just watch out for terminators.

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>>47587611
pic

What's the cheap solution if I need jump pack bitz? Wee little shits are expensive.

Looking for advice for a 750pt tau army

HQ
Darkstrider
Ethereal + 2 marker drones

Elites
Crisis suit, Plasma + TL Plasma
Crisis suit, 2x Fusion, target lock

Troops
9x carbine FW, shas ui, guardian drone, devilfish + sensor spine + dpod
10x rifle FW, SMS turret

Heavy
2x broadsides, TL rail TL SMS
1x firesight marksmen, 3x sniper drones

total 750 pts

the ethereal joins the snipers to get stealth and to have a total of 3 BS5 markerlights, also gives the rifle FW, snipers and broadsides FNP

Darkstrider joins the carbine team

the setup is made from what i own, otherwise i would be using 3x firesight marksmen and more snipers instead of the ethereal

>>47587655
recasts
i think there are bit sellers somewhere
google is your friend

>>47587611
Then turquoise

>>47586314
Runes of fate is always great.

If he got the Tyranid Swarm box and is using most of those gaunts you're going to be severly outnumbered. He might simply go unbound or use the 'fex as Old one Eye for an HQ.

You might want to find room for the Scorpion Exarch to use a claw instead, since it will pose somewhat of a threat to a charging fex with S6 AP2.

With what you have you may not have enough volume of fire to sizeably dent his stuff, so a lot of it will depend on your unit placement and kiting (very manageable with Vypers). On the other hand I don't know what the hell your opponent has for synapse. You'll probably want to kill whatever it is as soon as possible and hope that the swarm eats itself after that.

>>47587659
>the setup is made from what i own

Well tell us what you own then.

General rule of thumb though, Railsides are only more efficient against lots of 2+ armour, multi-wound models or AV14 (though they're still very poor at the latter). In all other cases, Missilesides are the better bet.

A full squad of Carbine FW are also generally inefficient, especially against Marines (and other enemies) that outright ignore pinning. With your setup for them, Breachers would have been the much better pick. Carbines meanwhile are better scattered throughout squads of pulse rifles, if taken at all.

>>47587734
Won't that be too similar to the light blue armor?

>>47587751
>Well tell us what you own then.

Aside from the ones in the army i have
4 crisis, 2x double flamer, 1 with burst and plasma, 1 with flamer and missile pod (yay ebay)

6x stealth suits, one with fusion blaster

1 extra support turret, 1x rifle FW, 16 drones mostly on sprues

I would have gone breachers if i had any, I could split up the 10 carbines and 10 rifles but the point of the rifles was the sit at the back covering my ethereal and enjoying either 3 shots at 15" or FNP

I wanted a squad that pushes forward, carbines are better than rifles for that even if pinning can be ignored by certain races, they are treated as S6 thanks to darkstrider and are very hard to assault

Is the venerable dreadnought for Space Wolves worth taking, especially with the Great axe and Blizzard shield?

>>47587761
Not if it's hight saturation, vs the rather subdued uniforms.
Maybe Red lenses too depends on helmet colour

>>47587659
>Darkstrider
What do you plan to do with him?
>Ethereal
Marker drones are strange since they don't give the bonus if the unit he's in is firing along with him. Usually people leave him bare and throw him into a unit of Fire warriors since there are way more heads there.
>Crisis suits
Drop the TL on the plasma, you don't need the rerolls so badly. Why do you need the target lock? The fusion suit is already by himself and you may not find enough vehicles in 750pts to deep strike and give 1 shot each.
>Breachers and warriors
Hard to go wrong here.
>Devilfish upgrades
Up to you, usually never occurs to me to buy vehicle upgrades.
>Broadsides
Missilesides are usually better for screwing over blobs of infantry. The rail rifle has been iffy ever since it lost S10. It's essentially a glorified missile launcher and you usually take those in groups of 4.

Do you have a third crisis suit or some drones lying around? You might be better served with a meatier crisis suit team of 3 with ablative drone wounds or maybe even getting a drone commander. If not, then this setup is probably as good as you can get.

>>47587806
>>47587840 talking again.
Can you reconfigure the crisis suits? With these options you might want to have at least a pair of dual plasma with a third on flamer/fusion duty.

Stealth suits are also great fun.

>>47587840
Darkstrider is giving the carbines S6 in effect and letting them push up hard thanks to the 6" movement after overwatch

Ethereal markerdrones are being controlled by the firesight marksmen, i only have 1 marksmen so this allows me to have 3 BS5 markerlights instead of 1, which is more than enough at 750 pts, sniper drones dont need markerlights anyway because they always hit on 2+ and always wound on 4+

targetlock is because the 2 suits are not alone, they are together otherwise im practically asking to give away first blood, although i could give the ethereal armor instead

devilfish upgrades give it +1 cover save and auto pass dangerous terrain, basically makes it way more mobile and can make a fort for its troops near a building

dont have missile sides unfortunately, but my back line has 3 SMS so its not _that_ bad to have rail sides instead

I have other suits here >>47587806, I could remove a broadside for a better crisis team but because i know im taking ethereal i want to abuse FNP broadsides being boosted by 3 BS5 MLS

>>47587859
nope, i built the double flamers, the triple plasma and the double fusion, the other 2 were off ebay

Stealth suits are very expensive but ive ordered some remora drones to pair with a stealth squad for some shrouded hilarity

>>47587901
Sounds like you've thought everything through. Tell us how the game goes anon, especially for your HQs, I've never actually seen or heard of Darkstrider in an actual match before.

>>47587751
>especially against Marines (and other enemies) that outright ignore pinning

i just noticed this, where does it state that all marines ignore pinning? they arn't fearless as standard

>>47583680
Noone needs comfort women, when he can slay the foes of the Imperium while the Emprah is watching from his golden throne. That's your destiny, breeding is for normal humans and not for demigods fulfilling their duty.

>>47587835
It's going to be russ gray basically.
I'm going to go for red into orange with a yellow highlight.

>>47588061
They don't.

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How did your last game go /tg/? Got pictures to share? Reposting this bout against khorne.

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>>47588181
Overall my dreadknights got slaughtered by this big bloodthirster, but mass firepower thanks in addition to misfortune and prescience brought it down turn 2. Draigo and crew did work after that. My interceptors also survived, but my purifiers got sliced by blootletters. Lesson learned about them.

>>47588181
I should take pictures of my matches but over hald of my stuff isnt painted yet, feels bad winning my first ever match as a greyfag

>>47588181

>500p Raptors vs. Orks (small game cause Ork player is fairly new to 40k)
>run Captain, Vanguards, Scouts and Tacs
>opponent running a buttload of Boyz, some Grots, Stormboyz, a Trukk and a Painboy and bikes
>think it's ok since my Raptors army is just for style (only 750 points total, many kitbashes bah blah) and he'll win due to being 2-3 times more models
>he's fairly educated on the rule side since he loves theorycrafting and being prepared
>table him turn 4, since Vanguard+Captain shreds through one unit per turn
>Now he's butthurt as fuck

I told him, that Orks suck balls before he even started collecting them. I may have just fucked up a new player to stop collecting and playing before he even really started playing the game, but he was warned. And I refuse to let people win on purpose, especially when I play a 16 Model fun army that's by all means not competitive.

Orks even suck harder than I thought since I didn't play against 'em since 5th

>11/10 gaming evening

>>47588270
>2 dreadknights and a bloodthirster dead by the end of turn 2
>turn 2
Bloody hell 40k has got silly.

>>47588291
It's cool anon. No one in my shop actually can field a fully painted army it seems, and that's like out of 7 or 8 guys, except for this one sisters player I met.

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>>47588308
I got tabled by orks my first game lol.

>>47583798
>thinking I know these weebs

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>>47588322
>tfw I have a personal autistic issue with fielding unpainted/unbased models
>Don't care about the state of my opponent's army, but it makes me feel awful to field the Gray-Paint Alliance.

18 Skitarii plus armor and automata to go, /tg/

>>47588375
I feel you anon. I didn't want to field my second dreadknight that was just based, but I don't have enough stuff otherwise for 1500 points. Good luck finishing up.

>>47588322
I dont mind that much as im only doing beginner matches, but i was being silently judged by the 4 people painting in the store that out of my entire army i'd only painted 3 crisis suits and 1 ethereal at the time

>>47588388
You too anon. I think I lucked out because Skitarii are fairly "busy" between the cloaks, armor, wooden guns, etc. They don't get monotonous to paint unless I do a bunch at once. GKs I see as either interesting in the same vein (all the details and such) or horrible (so much silver)

>>47588398
Well fuck them. A painted army should be for your enjoyment, not theirs. Doubly fuck them since you are new.

>>47588409
Yeah. Gk are like that.They have nice models, but the base color scheme can come off as very bland. I actually don't enjoy painting that much, but I want to get better still, and have fully painted stuff. It's weird... You got pics of your skitarii?

>>47588417
ah well, i play tau so i'll probably table them even without cheesing

got some remoras on the way for cheap flyer harassment, just need 10 pathfinders and my fireblade to arrive so i can throw out 50-70 shots a turn from 24" carbines

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>>47588270
The last time I faced GK I shat all over both of his dreadknights by turn two.

My last game went well though. Took it easy on a Nurgle CSM player.

Today I should have a game (Round 3) of BA and his house rules. Which reminds me to write a reminder for myself to snap a pic of his rules so we can all discuss them here.

No pictures though, I hate my camera as much as tg at this point.

Pic related.

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>>47588431
Ask and ye shall receive. I've been out of the hobby for years, I posted the Dunecrawler in another 40k general a bit ago, some anons were curious when I mentioned that I'd tacked on the Icarus Launcher just because I thought it looked cool. Dunecrawler body isn't glued to the legs yet for ease of painting, that's why it's a bit crooked.

Using the Anvil Strike force, ran a Comtemptor as my warlord and gave him a trait that let him shoot twice. Was pretty awesome.

Thinking of giving him an honour guard by upping his unit to three Comtemptors. Would prolly buy one of the FW ones instead of more Calth tho, this one took quite a bit of conversion work just to look decent.

>>47588518
Love the deep blue and the green, especially the green tanks on the leader guy's back. They're going to look great on the table.

>>47588580
Thanks, I figured everybody and their grandma was going to have some variation on red/white/black, went for blue. Very happy with the results so far, just gotta keep on painting...

Where would be a good place to buy the type of hacksaw you need to neatly cut plastic models for conversions?

All I want is a scifi tabletop wargame that's midway between skirmish and company scale, with good looking and plastic miniatures, a healthy or at least growing community, reasonable prices, balanced rules, a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling, and a high degree of both model and unit options for customization.

Why is that too much to ask?

>>47588689
Jeweler's saw might work, coping saw with fine teeth. Anything that won't just chew the model up, really. For smaller stuff, I've found flush cutters work fine since normally I ditch whatever I'm cutting off (say a hand and gun from a weapon conversion) anyways.

>>47588695
>Why is that too much to ask?

Yes because the person to either side of you probably wants something completely different.

>>47588518
Very nice shade of blue there.

>>47588695
>balanced rules
>high degree of both model and unit options for customization.

ignoring that reasonable prices is subjective to a point, asking for balanced rules and tonnes of models/ factions/ customisation is extremely unliky

>>47588695
Better hope GW turns itself around as that's the only way you're getting that.

>>47588707

Yeah, I use clippers at the moment, but it'd be nice in several cases to have something a bit more able to save both parts. Especially when it's a simple repose of something monpose I have more than one of.

>>47588832
I looked it up, apparently the gentler, finer brother of the coping saw is called a "fretsaw." Hobby shops might have them, people use little hobby saws for cutting model railway tracks and such. Could also just hit up Home Depot most likely

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>>47583798
>fat nerd gamur gurl
>Rogal Dorn

>>47588695
>Why is that too much to ask?
It isn't. Play 2nd edition with modern miniatures.

40k is pretty cheap to get into when a unit of tactical marines hits around 400 points. Dark Vengeance literally becomes a complete army in a box.

>>47588868
>Play 2nd edition with modern miniatures.
>healthy or at least growing community,

>>47588868
>40k is pretty cheap to get into when a unit of tactical marines hits around 400 points

Dear lord, were units so expensive back then?

My 7th Edition is showing

>>47588911
didnt a dreadnaught in 3rd ed cost 300 before upgrades?

>>47588926
>300
>$120 worth of Black Knights is less than that, even as a command squad

>>47588890
Welcome to the problem literally every non-mainstream miniature game runs into.

However the miniatures are currently in production, the setting is popular, and there's no absence of interest in 40k's more rules-heavy iteration thanks to the skirmish bent the market's currently in.

>>47588926
115+weapons. Usually ended up around 200.

Squad prices were basically cut in half with the switch from 2nd to 3rd edition. Vehicle costs weren't as heavily changed (..for the most part. Razorbacks used to be 1150 points, after all)

>>47583798
perturabo as bastion
dorn as reinhardt
soldier 76 as roboute guilliman (mr vanilla by the book)

How good are the XV9 hazards?

static 75 points for what is in effect a shas'urve with +1T, +1I and 5 system slots instead of 3, but you are restricted to 3 types of weapons

>>47589267
They're pretty mediocre.

Far more expensive than crisis teams for the same amount of impact on the table. But they're not unusably bad, if you like the model that's probably enough justification to bring them.

>>47589291

Hopefully the new imperial armour gives them some new life

>>47589291
yeah, my main gripe is that they lock in alot of points for not alot of customisation, simply so you can free up elite slots

I like the suit design and can get 2 for £40 on ebay, but theres not much point if i can do the same with crisis suits

>>47589318
>I like the suit design, but theres not much point
Liking the design should be reason enough to use them. Armies without some passion just aren't as good.

>>47589383
i've ordered 3 remoras because i like thier design (and because i find flyers that can hide in cover for permanent 2+ without jink amazing)

I like the design of the hazards, but i also like the design of the crisis suits more or less the same amount

i want forge world to put out some tau infantry models, I like infantry far more than mecha weeb mode

>>47583901
Seeing how Sanguinala is a the only real universal Imperium holiday, and Sanguinius is regarded almost every chapter to be one of the greatest guys that ever lived, is it safe to say that Sanguinius is every chapters Spiritual Liege?

>>47589411
I want some cheap Tau flyers.

The GW models are ugly, and FW just wants to make 600+ point superheavies.

>>47589460
remoras are the cheapest flyer in the game afaik, they arnt the hardest hitting of things but having networked markerlight and 2 seekers each is pretty sweet

>>47589411

And tanks.
More sleek skimmers are a must, just Devilfishes, which are terrible, hammerheads and skyrays gets boring. Also a baneblade equivalent would be amazing.

If they could relive the Horus Heresy, would any of the primarchs switch sides?

>>47587361
Shiny black.

>>47589267
T5 makes a lot more durable, and defensive grenades are great, along with hit and run.

Personally, I love them. I never play without them, and have a setup of 3 of them with all weapon options available on magnets.

Think of them as close range shooters that are really good at shielding your more squishy units from assault units. If you are dedicated to them as charge blockers, FnP makes them crazy good at stopping pretty much anything that wants to threaten them.

>>47589497
Russ probably wouldn't go full retard at Prospero, so you'd end up with an extra full strength legion and whatever remnants of the Thousand Sons survive the flesh change.

Curze and Alpharius might switch sides.

>>47589497
Horus.

>>47589459
No, because he's too good. They can't show homage like they do with the Ultramarines.

>it's a Taufags circlejerk about how their mediocre units should be as OP as the rest of their codex episode

>>47589571
i dont think anyone said thier mediocre units should be buffed, get mad for not being part of the greater good

>>47588270
I've found Grey Knight infantry seem to be a ranged army disguised as a melee one, mostly because they're always outnumbered. A lot of the time used to be finding the sweet 24" where you can pepper your opponent with bolter fire before finishing units in a charge of assured destruction.

This is why Salvo psycannons literally killed PAGK cold dead. No point remaining mobile if moving kills of the best part of the squad.

>>47589571
Fuck off.

>>47589554
By that line of thinking, the entire series of events wouldn't haven't occurred, and Emps would've been successfully warned about Horus and the Throne undamaged.

I'm specifically wondering about allegiances. Arguably, yes, the TS probably would've stayed loyal, so there's that. But actually wondering what choices they would make differently with full knowledge of their mistakes is a different cup of tea entirely.

>>47589582
>Muh Greater good
I will fight you anon on the table with well rounded painted lists where fun will be had by all!

>>47589660
Eat a dick you corpse worshipper! Sorry, I got carried in away in character, I'll bring the "rapid response" list I just painted up, lots of stealth units, devilfish, and piranhas. I've got an idea for rules for a scenario where you would be trying to prevent me from establishing a beachhead on an Imperium world, sound fun?

>>47589690
Scenario rules are always a welcome sight, anon.
Planning a summer campaign for three friends atm and could use some ideas.

>>47589700
Basically, I was thinking that the attacker gets 1.5x the points of the defender, but only units that can outflank or infiltrate can deploy. Everything else goes in reserves. Your deployment edge is the short table side, not the long, going 1/3 of the way in. If either side loses a unit, it enters ongoing reserves (reinforcements).

Somewhere in the middle or defender table third, there would be an objective that allows the controller's units in reserve to deepstrike.

>>47589766
Oh, woops:

The game ends after five turns, the defender has three objectives in his territory, whoever holds more at the end wins.

How would a Imperial Japanese-themed Guard Regiment fare?

>>47588964

>1150 point Razorbacks

What?

>>47589794
As about as much as a Russian themed guard, space Rambo themed, Lawrence of Arabia themed guard, WWI Germany guard, and the countless others I haven't mentioned would fare.

>>47589700
Does anyone have any ideas for a super low points value campaign? Something like Kill Teams levels, even?

We've got a start collecting each, although we have a friend with a big army of old marines if we wanted to use them for something.

What are some cool "not" 40k miniature companies?

Here's what I've found so far:

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/
http://wargameexclusive.com/

>>47589829
which armies do you each have?

>>47589843
Tau and Skitarii, and we have a friend that might start one of the space marine factions.

>>47589843
>i wonder what the tau are called

>GREATER GOOD

i like this site, i hate that forgeworld has no tau infantry models

would my LGS get pissed if i fielded these?

>>47589860
>would my LGS get pissed if i fielded these?

they'd be cunts if they did tbqh

>>47589860
If it's not a GW store, no, probably not.

But it's polite to support the store you play at.

>>47589856
you do a collection of small campaigns involving a deep striking breacher + crisis team attempting to take and hold an objective for X amount of turns, maybe downloading some data from the skitari

doesnt matter what guns you put on the fire warriors and i dont reccomend glueing them together as breachers, but just pretend they are breachers in the narrative

if you want to go even more balls out, pretend that your ethereal is aun-shi

>>47589829
Victory in vengeance campaign, in HH book 3.

It is very, very good.

>Kill team-esque, purchasing models instead of units
>200-350pt limit for mooks depending on how well you fight and manage supplies
>150pts for one hero and supporting squad leaders

>Heroes choose a role and gain experience and traits, and produce command benefits.
>Heroes that die or flee must redeem themselves by performing mad stuntz in the next battle
>Rules for wargear decay, better overwatch, and protracting a campaign that can last from an afternoon to a year.

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>>47589860
>>47589840
THESE FUCKING TAU

I cannot contain my sides. They're so weeb. I love them.

>>47589840
>literally sells dota 2 pudge for chaos

amazing

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>>47589941
Look at this shit. This is amazing.

>>47589887
its a GW store, I do support them by buying all my paints and any starter packs from there

>>47589784
Sounds like a souped up version of that scenario in the 6e rulebook. Might tweak it a bit for my Inquisition player and give it a go, thanks anon!

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>>47589961
Why do I not own these. What would I even use them for? It doesn't matter.

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>kerrigene stealer

brilliant

>>47589989
breacher squad

>>47589961
Its kinda garbage looking. I don't see why anyone would want to field that.

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>>47590005
Kerrigan?

>>47588308
Orks are literally so bad that they struggle against armies, even when the opponent intentionally list tailors to be bad against orks. It's especially bad against an opponent that knows to charge, since orks suck when receiving charges, even against Tau.

>>47589941
They sure know what audience they are catering too.

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Newbie Fluff question: I'm thinking about making a custom chaos warband that's very ice themed. What chaos god would be most fitting? I thought maybe Nurgle due to stagnation but disease and decay don't mix well with being frozen.

>>47590075
yes, thats the point

its ripping off both games at the same time

>>47590078
What if ork boyz came with two wounds standard.

>>47590084
Ice doesn't really have anything to do with anything.

What do they DO? Lots of sorcerors? Kill and pillage? Spread ice everywhere? What's their M.O.?

>>47587621
tervigon's base is too big--zone mortalis maxes out at a dreadnought sized base. Take a prime.

>>47588847
What you want is a razor saw.

>>47588926
Tactical squad with rhino was approx 250 points in third.

>>47590084
Could be Malal worshipers. Ending existence and all that.

Actually that'd be dope. They focus on literally obliterating the souls of their enemies or, barring that, freezing them solid in warp limbo.

>>47590134
Malal is a meme god.

>>47590087
I wish Ork's still got fearless in groups <10. Also I wish trukk's held 15 dudes :=( I wish Ork's were good.

>>47590095
I haven't really gotten to that stage yet, but that's my next step. I mostly just got the idea of slow and lumbering exterminators mixed with ice after getting inspired by some cool modelling.

>>47590134
Isn't Malal retconned or am I thinking of something else?

>>47590138
Well, chaos is a meme army.

And 40k is a meme wargame.

>>47590145
He lives on as Malice.

>>47590145
He's been retconned by omission. But there's still the sons of malice so his theme lives on.

>>47587548
Termigon isn't allowed - nothing on a base bigger than 60mm. Note that a single wide corridor is less than 50mm wide (if you're playing on proper boards)

>>47589818
my guard are medieval themed. Using skitarii guns as lasguns and shotguns

>>47587827
Not really, but you'll feel super cool having one on the table. Throw him in with some spess werewolves and have an oldetimey berserker rush

>>47590084
>Khorne
The cold, blistering silent hatred of the blood god
>Nurgle
Death by everything becoming slowed down and frozen is probably Nurgle's domain too.
>Slaanesh
Ice is actually pretty beautiful, but of course you can twist it in some horrible grimdark way.
> Tzeentch
The Ice actually warms your drink
Just as planned

>>47590084
>but disease and decay don't mix well with being frozen.
cold season is in the winter, dog

>>47590166
How did they get the Skitarii guns?

>>47590162
The largest thing you can fit on a standard Zone Mortalis board is a Leviathan Dreadnought, and even then only in the 2-space wide corridors. The only restriction is that it has to physically fit in one of the spaces on the board, which the Leviathan barely manages.

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>>47587621
Why are the termies full yellow in this picture?
They should have black legs and arms and heads like all proper Scythes of the Emperor.

>>47590374
Old school Scythes of the Emperor.

>>47590374
>should have
>>47587621 is the only official depiction of scythes of the emperor terminators

With all the variant first company formations and schemes knocking around, why do you expect the scythe terminators to match their line troops exactly?

Newfag here, looking to start by playing eldar.
Hows this for 500 points?
HQ- Farseer
Troops - 10 guardians, warlock and scatter laser platform
5 Dire avengers with exarch with shimmershield
Heavy - Fire prism with holo fields and spirit stone.

I owned 10 guardians, a fireprism, 2 warlocks and a farseer atm. How should I expand? I want to put the troops in transports, maybe get another fire prism, more guardians and try out those vyper things as well as rangers and some aspect warrior things.

>>47588858
She builds really big walls. That's why.

So, what do you think about this description/name for a Tau Sept? Good/bad, long/short?

Rra'sho is a Neutron Star, whose powerful beams of electromagnetic radiation have guided spaceships for generations, and is also the name of one of the largest Septs in the Tau Empire. Its resilient people, and calculating leaders, are known for being in charge of one of the biggest manufacturers of Exotic Matter for Nova reactors, spaceships, and interstellar missiles.

>>47590507
>biggest manufacturer of nova reactors

confirmed for cheese sept

>tfw can't decide between buying and playing metal sisters until plastic ones come or just playing a different army

do the FW rhino chapter kits work on the cheaper GW model or only on the twice as dear FW models?

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>>47590507
>homebrew sept
>one of the biggest

>>47590488
Before you start playing eldar, the most important thing you need to do is obtain a Steel Rod. You have to shove a steel rod firmly up your ass before you write any lists, else they won't be any good.

>>47590507
4/10
Serious case of mary sue detected.

>>47590540
Why would I do that? Whats wrong with eldar?
They look really fucking cool and elegant so I picked them.

>>47587659
Try something along the lines of this, it should play very similar to what you wanted.

Word for the wise on tau HQ. now don't let this discourage you from just doing it cause you want to, but dark strider should be about 25 maybe 30 points.

The crisis commander while he is awesome is effectually just a crisis suit with more wounds. In general it's better to have 2 regulars than him. If you want a commander cause they are awesome make sure to take the iridium armour, makes him expensive but turns him into a badass, who can tank crak missiles for your other suits.


Meanwhile Etherials are basically gods gift to Tau in the new edition.

Ethereal

Fire warriors x 12
Fire warriors x 12

Crisis suit x 3
Fusion + TL fusion

Broudside x 2
Muh missiles

Sniper team x 1

>>47590564
>They look really fucking cool and elegant so I picked them.
>dickhats

>>47590564
>Why would I do that?

People think WAAC Fags play eldar

>Whats wrong with eldar?

They have to actively try to not build a list that will demolish anything but the top 3-5 codex.

>>47590535

Well, my intention is that it oversees many unhabitable/small death worlds for mining fleets.

>>47590590
>They have to actively try to not build a list that will demolish anything but the top 3-5 codex.

Never had that problem, I play my Biel-Tan as hard and fluffy as I can, detatchment and all, still plays fairly against nids and chaos.

>>47590564
Because eldar are pure, unadulturated bullshit. They're the most powerful army in the entire game, and have been so since SECOND EDITION, while getting constant buffs every edition.

They're literally so overpowered, that you actually have to make an extreme amount of effort to make a list bad enough that you don't table all other armies by turn 3. And even then your worst list is nearly 5x better than the best lists of 90% of the armies in the game.

Why don't you try it for yourself? Try making the least powerful list you can manage, and bring it to the table against a guard, orks, tyranids, or Deldar army. You'll be tabling them by turn 4.

Hey /tg/
due to needing about a dozen of them, I am going to be recasting some lemon russes. Does anyone have a recomendation for mold making material? I use oyumaru for infantry, but an amount large enough for a lemon russ would cost too much. Or is it not worth the effort and I should just do a bulk order from Z?

>>47587655
Recast, it's not hard. Oyumaru + resin.

>>47590590
you literally only need to avoid 2 units, and options on another 2 units.
Warpspiders
Wraitknight
don't full spam. heavy weapons on your bikes
don't take scythes on your wraithguard.

after that their good but not crushingly good.

>>47590691
> Reading "Best army for every edition, going all the way back to second edition" as "Second most powerful army".

Oh hey, it just occured to me that my little brother got home from school early. Aren't you little 3rd graders now out for the summer, and here to shit up this board? Just fuck off please, go back to /b/.

>>47583680
Depends on the chapter you fucking memelord.
Black Templars and equal stoics will rescue your shit all day every day, but they'll just wipe off the smooch and walk away afterwards.

But Ultrasmurfs, Salaniggers, Space Yiffs etc. would probably hug back, if not kiss back, if not slam with monster dong and impregnate with thick ropes of cum

>>47590713
Oh boy. you sound a little mad at an honest mistake.

>>47590703
> Listing only Warpspiders and Wraithknights
> Forgetting to list Wave Serpents, Wraithguard, Dire Avengers, D-Cannon platforms, Jetbikes, Seer Councils, Jetbiking Seer Councils, Dark Reapers, and literally anything with "Phoenix lord" in its name.

>>47590751
none of those things are brokenly powerful. The Phoenix Lords aren't even good.

>>47590751
>dire avengers
>vaul's wrath d-cannons
>foot councils
>dark reapers
>fucking phoenix lords
You maybe have an argument on serpents, jetcouncils, and wraithguard, but Son, I think you just need to get better at this game.

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>>47590079
I play Tau and I think the cheesecake and samurai ones look like trash.
I love this flamer car, though.

>tfw the only Eldar in my shop come in Wraith Host and Scat Bike flavor

Its a hard pill to swallow.

>>47590815
We all feel for you

>>47590751
Both Jetbikes and Wraithguards were mentioned.

No wonder /tg/ is so bad at rules if you can't even read that.

>Phoenix Lords
Most are just decent at their job, Maugun Ra, and Baharraoth are decidedly bad at their's.

>>47590795
Samurai is a just a drawing shooped onto a base

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Hey /tg/, I'm prone to starting armies based on models that catch my eye and random ideas that pop into my head (the GW Exorcist is the primary reason I play Sisters for example), and I have to admit that I like the Lord of Skulls (in the same sort of "so bad it's awesome" sense I like most b-movies) and have been inspired to start a KDK army.

Other than a basic color scheme (I'm thinking bone and brass with red tally marks to show off squad numbers) I'm still trying to work out a fun, but reasonably effective list focused mainly around a Berserker core.

Recommendations?

>>47590819
I stopped playing at my GW because it was a bunch of try hards and net lists and now that I go to an LGS I have way more options but there is a very clear distinction between the groups of WAAC and Fluff-n-Stuff players.

And I 2+ reroll jinks on that line every match

>>47590815
Just do to him what my store did to our two eldar players. Tell them to fuck off, and that you're not playing against eldar. Both of the eldar faggots at my store ran Wraithdar in 6th and 7th edition, while claiming it was "Fluffy and fair" because they were playing llyanden.

The whole store boycotted them so hard they quit the game.

>>47590821
http://wargameexclusive.com/shop/greater-good/greater-good-veteran-okatn-28mm/

>>47590874
Ah my mistake, it's was just painted in photoshop.

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>>47590084
You need a stronger theme than ice.

For example Space Wolves have an ice theme with frost (power) weapons and ice shamans (librarians) but cold isn't the chapter's most defining trait.

Are you planning a Norse theme or just decorating your marines with icicles in a similar way that Night Lords have lightning?

>>47590834
>Recommendations?

Not overly familiar with the variety of builds they have available but my buddy loves his gorepack and it is fairly effective. He also runs a Juggerlord with some Relic weapon in a gang of flesh-hounds. Quick and aggressive.

Bezerkers probably want the rhino just to try and get close for what good it will do them.

I would use a simple CAD to fulfill your love of Berserkers then add in a gore pack.

I think you can also fit them in a Slaughter Cult which is a good base according to my friend.

>>47590834
Bras, bone and white will present on the table as beige lumps.

How's this for a scenario idea?

Danger Close

Load up the board with a ton of trees or other semi-cover things. Place objectives. Vehicles are allowed, but they should be hard to use.

In each players shooting phase, that player centers a barrage blast over each obj the enemy controls (or maybe just on every objective, not sure yet) and roll 4d6 for scatter. Servo skulls can't affect this.

When infantry troop models are killed, they respawn in ongoing reserves.

Based on WW1 trench/forest fighting.

Is 18 Riptides per "artillery regiment" (1300 Tau/drones) adequate?

>>47590834
Use rules from the Crimson Slaughter book.

>>47590945
>18 riptides
Have they become that common in the fluff? I thought riptides were like "1 per cadre" level stuff.

Also I don't think riptides are really fit with "artillery". They are rapid response front line control kind of suits

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>>47590911
I've seen the CAD/Gorepack combo get bandied about but honestly I'm a bit more partial to the Slaughtercult as it has nice benefits (extra Blood Tithe point every turn and an extra Blood Tithe rule everytime you get a rule) and Possessed are pretty okay (having both Rage and Furious Charge on them helps a lot mainly. Not to mention a 3+/5++ isn't horrible either.)

Problem I have is I get kind of hooked on weird units that are effective, but only because no one expects them to be good (like Repentia). Chaos Assault Terminators (7 attacks on the charge with the right Blood Tithe, and you re-roll wounds) and the Raptor formations both come to mind because they look like fun but are likely just point sinks, so I'm trying to not get bogged down too much but that the same time running them looks entertaining.

>>47590916
I was planning on using AoS Blood Warriors with backpacks and Bolt Pistol Arms (likely stolen from the Raptor kit since the old CSM arms don't match the look as well) which means a lot of Brass to break up the bone look. Plus they have the bunny ears.

>>47590948
>Crimson Slaughter
So trade Blood Tithe rules that can help boost Berserkers for Fear on Berserker squads?

How does that help exactly?

>>47591013

A Cadre would be smaller. Think of a battalion (260-500 men).

Contingents or Tio've (Regiment) are about 2500 men.

>>47591018
Leather boots in my 40k?

I don't bloody think so, champ!

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>>47591062

>>47591013

Basically I want the same real world firepower as 54 Self-proppeled artillery + 54 MRLS.

>>47591013
It's bait.

>>47591018
I can't speak for that specifically but sadly subtle tends to get lost on TT distance.

You'd need some contrast, the kill markings will show up nicely though.

Still you won't know till you put brush to model.

>>47591062
It's Power leather, like SW's Power ice.

>>47591080

>54 MRLS

I meant 18.

>>47591080
And have you done a comparative analysis between Ion cannons and SPG's?

>>47591081
>It's bait.

It's not. I want to see the how many Riptides are necessary to replicate and 54 artillery piecews + 18 MRLS

>>47590564
At the moment warhammer is in the worst state of balance it has ever seen. Necrons, Eldar, and Space mangs have some really ducking broken OP stuff in their dex right now. Not sure which one is more OP. But if you don't tame your list intentionally you will ravage anyone but those three teams, and it won't be fun for anyone.

Granted you are not a power gamer yet so ignore this. If you want warhammer to stay fun don't ask for list advice online, especially here. It will turn you into a bitter asshole.

>>47591062
No worse then leather gloves on Sisters or the old CSM models.

Just head fluff it that the boots are over the armored ones.

>>47591110
see
>>47591105

>>47591105

It's for fluff purposes. I would need 31 Tanks per Infantry Regiment and 93 for a Tank Regiment.

>>47591079
Of course Orks and guardsmen wear them.

Show me the Astartes that approached a techmarine wanting to exchange his power-armored greaves for uggs.

>>47590696
Have you had experience in large resin models yet?

If not I would just buy them one at a time from a game store at 20 percent off or so. That way you can paint them as you go, and not have to paint fucking 12 tanks all at once.

>>47591153
Show me the Dark Magos that refused the Berzerker's request

>>47591105

180 Devilfishes per infantry regiment. Based on real world size.

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>>47587361
Actually a Valkyria Chronicles themed guard army wouldn't be a bad idea

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>>47588181
Chaos space marines and dark Mechanicum got fucked. Apoc is fun.

>>47590696
Do the bulk order unless you are an experienced recaster.

No real technical advice, the best I know of is my friend cloning special weapons.

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>>47591081
>I can't speak for that specifically but sadly subtle tends to get lost on TT distance.
>You'd need some contrast, the kill markings will show up nicely though.
>Still you won't know till you put brush to model.

I figure if Death Wing can pull off bone armor with not much to really break it up, CSM who have a lot more trim to help create visual seperation (especially when said trim is done in a shiny metallic paint) should be okay.

Plus the red squad markings should help break things up. Using the Blood Warriors also means a fleshy bare arm to hold their weapon with (I've always been a fan of that look for Berzerkers and am dissapointed that the Berzerker kit doesn't follow through on that image like Kharn does) should help create some visual interest outside of it, especially with a ruddy flesh color.

At least that's my theory. As you said it'll be more apparent on the table. I think dark bases (perhaps like the new Imperium Sector bases to make them look like a raiding warband for example) will help them stand out individually as well.

>>47591153
It's chaos. He probably stole them because his old Power Boots got a hole in them.

>>47591153
would you prefer the ice skating berserkers then? there are children playing 40k younger then that kit

Were all the Primarchs virgins?
In all of the fluff there was never any mention of any of them having a wife or lover before they were discovered.

>>47591213
Maybe they really really like the feeling of bone shattering under their feet when they curb stomp loyalists

>>47590569
>dark strider should be about 25 maybe 30 points.
And people acted like >>47589571 wasn't true.

>>47591265
I can accept this.

And honestly if the Blood Warriors weren't a solid leg/torso kit I'd do a leg swap but I'm too lazy to cut all the models apart to "fix" it.

I was considering converting them out of Raptors but their posing makes it hard to make them look like they're not doing ballet when the jump packs come off.

>>47591291
what you could try is smooth out the creases or cut them off

>>47591213
Deathwing use bold red, bright silver, blueish white and green.

Darker bases will make the main model blend together even more.

The human brain is a lazy fuck, the models will be scanned and categorised as bright on top, dark at the bottom, done deal.

>>47591310
I can see it now, Berzerkers charging across the battlefield in their socks.

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>>47591105

>And have you done a comparative analysis between Ion cannons and SPG's?

Not really. It's for fun. I couldn't even represent that amount of firepower on the tabletop. A single battery should be about 6 self-propelled 152mm artillery pieces. A battalion 18 and a full regiment 54.

Obviously, that many artillery pieces are meant to operate as part of a Division (10,000–25,000 men) with 3 infantry + 1 tank regiment + support or similar configuration. The Tau only form divisions temporally.

>>47591310
I'd have to hold them in my hands to get a better look at them before deciding that, but honestly I've seen Chaos Warriors used as CSM and the boots don't look all that out of place there so I don't see an issue.

>>47591316
A light bone for the armor, with a dark brass for trim isn't exactly being the same color. I was looking at blue for a spot color, and bright red for squad markings (through a tally mark system).

And I was aiming for a less yellowish bone like the current Deathwing and more of a bleached bone look with it being more white than yellow as the primary color.

>>47591325
They get fleet on tile floors.

>>47588181
Don't have photo's, but the last Apocalypse match I went to was Humanity Vs Xenos/Daemons, I took my Space Wolves. The "Brotheren of the Fell-handed" formation did well for itself. Bjorn got 1-shotted turn 1 by a Stormsurge, but the other 2 did really well. After Skarbrand had just murdered a Knight in melee, my 2 Venerable Dreadnoughts with Shields charged him. 1 of them managed to eat all of his attacks, before biting the dust (Absorbed 9 penetrating hits, saved every one of them, except the Explodes results on the last one.) Skarbrand was down to 3 wounds, so my other Dreadnought finished him off. All attacks hit, all wounded, none saved. My Dread won the "David Vs Goliath" award for killing something that much bigger than itself.

Of course, right after consolidating from his victory over Skarbrand, a fucking Eldar Warwalker managed to get into his side armour and 1 shotted him with a fucking Bright-Lance.

I didn't do anything else noteworthy in the game except suck and die, because I don't have the money for Super-Heavies. I just fielded a fuckton of Infantry and Rune-Priests to try and give us the Psyker Advantage.

>>47591257
I have heard some older lore hinted and Sangunius being married to a normal human woman, but I haven't found a source on that yet. So please take it with a grain of salt.

>>47591382
It might well work, I like it, did a similar one for some sisters a while ago, Gold, silver, cream and red, looked good with single models, but kinda faded on the table, still give it a go.

Jeez. All those enemies.

>>47591128
You forgotten the maximum butthurt generator tau

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>>47591369

Batteries in 40k seem to be 3 instead of 6 (based on the Imperial Guard). You can work from here.

Blood Warriors look like shit and you should feel bad for using them

>>47591257
Some were too different from other's to relate to other humans properly.either physically or mentally.

Night haunter for one was way to paranoid to be vulnerable and intimate.

The Lion went straight from being a feral child to being a knight.

Magnus was.. a freak, even overlooking his colour or single eye his size alone would scare most off.

Unless there were female gladiators in the pits or they took brothers in arms to a Sparten level, Angron is unlikely to have bedded.

The rest may well have had women.

>>47591257
I like the idea that most Space Wolves are literally descended from Russ, as he fucked his way through so many of Fenris' women, because he was hardcore that way.

>>47591503
They look a lot better than the Berserker models do though.

Also I think they look fine, but then again I know my opinion tends to differ from most people's.

>>47591257
All of the primarchs were gay.

>>47591257
dorn was literally building Forts with no girls allowed signs. He's definitely a handholdless, kissless virgin

What's a good daemon list for drowning people in psychic powers

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>>47591569
>They look a lot better than the Berserker models do though.
Just spend more dosh and make marines, not feudal barbarians

>>47591080
>>47590945
tau don't have SPGs, and riptides aren't really close to equivalent in role

The tau leave all that shit to drones and missiles. Any "artillery" regiment would instead be using a glut of skyray missile tanks instead. Probably a bunch of missile destroyers in reserve to deploy them all, too.

>>47591670
I did mention my other idea involved using Raptors as my base since they look good and then it's just a head/arm swap for bunny ears and axes. Backpacks would likely need to be stolen from another kit as usual.

Trick there I think is posing them so they look like their attacking and lunging not prancing.

But I'm not 100% sure it's an effective way to go in making the unit.

>>47591662
built right daemons can out swarm nids but summoning is cheesy not to mention expensive, i use it when i need to up my game. i might use it today if someone pulls out some heavy hitting stuff

as for your question, 2 squads of 13/11 pink horrors and herald lv3. gives you 7-9 warp charges so you can get off at least 2 summonings per turn

>>47591673
>tau don't have SPG

Not exactly. They are like direct fire artillery. However, I like to assume that the Ion Accelerator and Pulse Drivers have far larger ranges on fluff than on the tabletop. The same with Basilisk and other artilleries from other armies. Skyray are also a good option, but they seem more suited for a SAM regiment.

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Can you?

>>47591774
>deliberate
>aka not deliberate but we caught it before printing

>>47591757
>but they seem more suited for a SAM regiment
I'm not sure you understand. Tau use missiles for everything.

>>47591774
Rhino is the wrong way around for that kind of deployment. 2" access point won't let them just out the front.

ALTERNATIVELY, rhinos don't have assault ramps, and those death company can't charge that turn.

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>>47591673

What role would fill a Riptide with a Heavy Burst Cannon compared to one equipped with an Ion Accelerator?

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>>47588181
I see you're loyal, I'm pretty loyal myself . Although I'm kicking my own ass for not priming my shitty looking Grey Knights silver...so many leadbelcher pots.

>>47591715
>But I'm not 100% sure it's an effective way to go in making the unit.
The new Assault Marine kit has the legs, the backpacks and the weapons. Just saying...

>>47591793
I don't love forced memes

>>47591757
>However, I like to assume that the Ion Accelerator and Pulse Drivers have far larger ranges on fluff than on the tabletop

Riptides don't make any sense at all as artillery platforms. There's no benefit to putting long range bombardment on an expensive suit. Stormsurges maaaaybe, since they're not battlesuits, but walking tanks.

>>47591815
the "big robot with a minigun" role instead of the "big robot with a blasty energy gun" one

>>47590764
>>47590780
My one eldar buddy loves d cannon support batteries and thinks they're top cheese

>>47591827
Loyalists lack the bling (aka extra gribbly trim) CSM models have. Not a fan of smooth, plain armor for my CSM.

>>47591834
they used to be alright, back in the days before true line of sight

>>47591816
How strong are bloodletters fluffwise?
Can one of them take on a normal space marine equipped for close combat?

>>47591834
They're an excellent area denial tool, but otherwise are short ranged and immobile.

>>47591792
Why don't rhinos/razors get assault ramps? It seems like the side ones should be that.

>>47591874
>immobile
Even with battle focus?

I have a CSM Crimson Slaughter 750 list that I made recently and I was wondering what you all thought.

1x Sorcerer - Daemonheart, Prophet of Voices, Spell Familiar, Force Sword (185 pts)

6x Chosen - Draznicht's Ravager's, 5x Plasma Guns, 1x Plasma Pistol on the Champ (258 including the Rhino)

1x Chaos Rhino - Dirge Caster, Combi-Bolter, Warpflame Gargoyles

10x Cultists - 9x Autopistols, 1x Flamer. (55 pts)

5x Possessed (130 pts)

5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns, Melta Bombs on the Champ. (120 pts)

748/750 points.

>>47591847

aren't they barrage?

>>47591908
Holy shit. Does this work

>>47591881
Because GW said so.

More seriously it's likely related to the same reason why we can't assault out of most transports: needing close combat because they want the game to be more shooty.

I still hope we see the balance swing back at least a little the other way.

Also assault ramps could be a nice upgrade for Rhinos/Razorbacks. +10 to be an Assault vehicle.

>>47583798
Reaper isn't Horus? The fuck, lucio as vulkan cause black.

>>47591930
>>47591908
Nevermind - can't battlefocus with heavy weapons unless you have relentless

>>47590569
>darkstrider for 30 points

You are the reason tau players are despised

>>47591881
>>47591933
>Why don't rhinos/razors get assault ramps?
they'd be too good

That's the whole reason they changed how assaulting out of transports worked halfway through third edition.

>>47591830

How about 1 Riptide = 6 SPG? Assuming it's like a highly mobile nuclear-powered artillery. But really, as I said, I'm doing this for fun.

>>47591753
>7-9 warp charge
>2 summoning a turn
>>47591792
They can't have been in that Rhino, there are 11 dudes. Is that the error?

>>47591978
That's why I wasn't thinking they should be a free upgrade. I know plenty of people who'd pay 10-20 points a Rhino for them to be assault vehicles.

>>47591881
>"Hey look fellow Battle-Brothers, Astenitan is trying to convince the Tech Marine we need slides on our vehicles"
>*Space Marine Laughter surrounds you*

What sort of astartes doesn't mind a bit of a jump.

>>47591916
Sorcerer is way too expensive. Cut the Relics, give him extra Mastery Levels or just leave him barebones with the Familiar.

Draznicht's Ravagers is missing as of the reprinting. Can't reprint NPC books without at least one nerf.

Warpflame Gargoyles are worthless. Soul Blaze is shit.

I'd at least give the Possessed a party van to get them further up the field.

The list could really use some ranged fire support.

>>47591973
Fuck off and die.

He made an offhand comment about internal codex balance. If you want to circle jerk Tau hate go somewhere else.

>>47591995
They're not similar in function, a Riptide isn't mobile artillery. Riptides, in the fluff, are used as a spearhead to crush enemy tank lines, not to lob explosions far downfield.

Tau's artillery, if you want a model that currently exists, is almost certainly either a Skyray, Hammerhead, Stormsurge, or Broadside.

>>47591173
It's what I'm going for.
Just starting with some scions though

>>47592085
I'll post pics of the Wip

>>47592083
Thinking that Darkstrider is only worth 30 points is fucking delusional, mate. Maybe you should take your own advice.

Tau and Eldar need to have their OP options toned down, not all of their mediocre options turned up to eleven.

>>47592013
10-20 points would be too cheap for it. It was too good for 50 point rhinos, and now they're only 35.

I know assault needs a buff, but giving most players and units access to 14"+2D6 charge missiles ain't the answer.

>>47592008
>Is that the error?
Oh, that too. I didn't even think to count them.

>>47591865
Depends on the author.

>>47591881
They are only one marine wide, hard to do a sudden assault while walking single file.

>>47589593
yeah I learned that from my first game pretty quickly.

>>47592125
Land Raider assault ramps are only wide enough for a single terminator.
>>47592123
I don't know why they removed the ability to assault out of stationary transports. That completely gutted what viability remained in Rhino-based assault units.

>>47592118
Thinking your comment was circlejerky garbage doesn't constitute an endorsement of the opinion you were replying to. There are degrees of opinion between "this is why Tau players are despicable" and "Darkstrider needs buffs".

>>47592165
>>47592083

Stay butthurt tau babby

>>47592165
Wasn't my comment.

Tau players claiming the faction needs absurd buffs is a significant contributing factor to the hatred they get around here.

>>47590189
Khornes hatred is anything but cold and silent. Bear in mind he really hates sneaky tactics and anything but a direct honorable fight with bloodthirsty hordes going at it.

>>47591916
Sorceror could and should be about 100points cheaper.(Where do you stick it?)
6Chosen in rhino will die fast, hino is flimsy, so are power armored dudes. Exchange them with plasmagun havocs, save 30+ points.
Rhino, warpflame gargoyles are as usefull as used toilet paper. leave them be. (Seriously its a change for 1 bolter hit.) Would exchange combi bolter with combi-melta if only to annoy others.
Cultists, Raptors ok
Possesed are too expensive to ever put on the tabletop. Much more when they have no rhino they are not safe.

>>47592220
Whether torn by axe or shrapnel, crushed by fist or explosions burned by promethium or searing hatred, all that matter is that blood flows and skulls are laid at the throne.

How do you fix the Razorshark and the Sunshark Bomber?

>>47592123
Thought you can't disembark if you move past 6". Or did I miss something?

>>47590795
I think her tits look great

>>47592264
You are correct

>>47592262
Give them stealth and make their weapons better and nerf interceptor drones

>>47592310
So how is it a 14"+2d6? Am I missing a loophole?

>>47592312
Not everything flying need a 3+ jink

>>47592262
Same answer as for all other "Bad" tau units.
Put them in any t2 codex.

>>47592179
>Tau players claiming the faction needs absurd buffs is a significant contributing factor to the hatred they get around here.

Hating a playerbase because somebody made an offhand comment about a particular unit being overcosted from an obvious perspective of internal balance is pretty fucking autistic.

>>47592123
Here's an idea. 35 points gives the rhino a charge move. Overwatch hits at full BS. If the rhino dies, follow normal rules for that. If it gets into combat, the unit it is carrying is disembarked into combat.

Maybe it could be a variant of tank shock that pushes models to the side rather than back?

>>47592260
That's not correct. Orbital bombardment, for instance, he disdains. The enemy dying is less important than how they were killed.

>>47592326
Sure the guy doesn't know that you can't move full distance. I used to, until I read the rules again.

>>47592312

>3+ Cover save by default.
>2+ for 15pts with a Disruptor Pod.

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>>47587361
not to toot my own horn, but I've been working on some since the initial scion release

>>47592327
How would you fix tau flyers then?

Which Sept is the most Soviet like in fluff or military doctrine?

>>47592340
That just seems overly complicated and then everyone had meltas in their squads

>>47592331
Every thread taus are bitching about how their ok units need buffs to match their OP units. Meanwhile you never hear nids or CSM players whining even though they are ridiculously underpowered now (exception being nid flyrant).

The last thing your faction needs is a buff. Get over yourself.

>>47592054
>>47592221
I forgot to mention that the Sorcerer is ML3.

I'll might drop Prophet of the Voices and the Possessed for a unit of 10 CSM with 2 flamers.

I usually summon with the Sorcerer though, and I'm not sure if I should swap him out with a Chaos Lord.

Aside from what do you suggest for ranged fire support? I know that Havocs with plasma guns was brought up.

>>47592375
Get rid of them entirely and have flying monsterious creatures that are some special shooty suit that uses marker lights.

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>Play mech ork with lots of anti tank (Battlewagons, warbuggies, lootted wagons, flyers mekguns etc...)
>Want to spam feral ork boys because the theme is cool
>Cant because my meta is all vehicles and I wont have reliable Anti tank
Feels bad man

>>47592340
Sounds like something the Ork transport walkers need.

Well that and to be Super heavies so they don't implode when looked at funny.

>>47592383

Lots tanks and long-range weapon spam + lots of anti-aircraft? It should be flexible at operational level than on tactical level.

>>47592375
Not him, but I'd start by nerfing all of the suit units. Make it so that Crisis suits can't easily turn themselves into excellent AA platforms. Boom, suddenly the Razorshark starts looking pretty attractive with 6 skyfire autocannon shots.

Give the Sun Shark an option between an anti-armor and and an anti-infantry bomb. Make it so that the anti-infantry bomb isn't just yet another source of S5 AP5.

>>47592413
My Gorkanaught killed an eternal warrior daemon prince and his mauler fiend pet.

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>>47592409

Isn't the XV109 Y’vahra Battlesuit something close to it?

Asked earlier, and I have composed a list I intend to use for a Zone Mortalis game, at 750 points:

Space Hulk Vanguard (750pts)
Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment)

HQ (150pts)
Tyranid Prime
Flesh Hooks, Lashwhip & Boneswords, Spinefists

Elites (200pts)
Lictor Brood (100pts)
2x Lictor

Zoanthrope Brood (50pts)
1x Zoanthrope

Zoanthrope Brood (50pts)
1x Zoanthrope

Troops (400pts)
Genestealer Brood (130pts)
-Broodlord

Genestealer Brood (130pts)
-Broodlord

Tyranid Warrior Brood (140pts)
4 x Tyranid Warrior
Rending Claws, Scything Talons

The Prime joins the Warriors, and the Zoanthropes either stick near psykers. My local area LOVES their psykers, and we have both a Tzeentch Demon player and a Grey Knight player, so that looks extremely good on paper coupled with the Horror power.

The Genestealers stalk around and look for chargeable targets, and the Lictors aim to assasinate some heavy weapons that would otherwise be a huge threat to my Warriors.

How does this look? I know Assault is generally considered bad, but I am coming from a Tau army, and I want some fucking assault, and not just more shooty shit.

Should CSM get artefacts based off the Gods of Law? Basically, warbands go around chaining and mind-raping bits of the Gods of Law into serving them.

Like:
-An Aspect of Alluminas that makes units test as if hit by a Blind weapon, and if they fail, they can't move.
-An Aspect of Solkan that makes unsaved wounds increase strength.
-An Aspect of Arianka that boosts Leadership and Morale in some way.

>>47592404
Rapiers are the best option, and it's not particularly difficult to convert a set of Kataphrons to a trio of Rapiers

>>47592449
And I've seen a Heavy Bolter Guardsmen kill a Warhound Titan.

Just because it can happen doesn't mean the model is suited for that task.

>>47592453
Yeah, but imagine smaller squads! Have them transform robotech style.

>>47592409
>more fucking tau MCs
Kill your self

>>47592262
Make their guns actually do something.

Sweet, a bomber! With... bombs as strong as pulse rifles... that you can randomly run out of. That's accidentally useful because GW sneezed while balancing its drones. Ignore those, and it has the firepower of half a squad of firewarriors.

Sweet, an air superiority fighter! That is as fragile as most ordinary flyers, has mediocre firepower, and doesn't excel at anything except... shooting vehicles in the rear, because of the way its turret happens to be mounted. Hey, a Hammerhead that easily hits rear armor isn't bad, but it's not good either.

They're models without an actual niche to fill. Oh, and they're ugly, which doesn't help. They're basically just mediocre flying tanks (especially for the Razorshark, which is just a Hammerhead with wings instead of armor), and they're boring to use.

>>47592383
Septs don't maintain independent military doctrine, really.

>>47592368
These look really good, anon.

>>47592413
People really underestimate ramming and reinforced rams.
My battlewagons (which I use as transports) has killed chimeras, rhinos, and wave serpents alike with a str 9 ram on side armour that'll pen and probably fuck them up.
Usually the guy will be like "Oh, av 14 vehicle but it only has a few rokkits and no one inside, ill ignore it" and then it spends like 3 turns ramming shit till it dies.

>>47592468
Don't even wanna know how that happened.

>>47592481

But they have different configurations according to terrain/industry/xeno auxiliaries, no?

>>47592479
Don't like giant robots with little blue people inside?

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>>47583680
Too busy for women

>>47592517
>Fluff and crunch are the same thing

>>47592517
Unlike the Imperium, the Tau Empire is very centralized. Septs contribute soldiers that are usually fielded together, but they don't fight or equip independently, unless they do and GW doesn't want to tell us that fluff.

So the Empire equips and the Empire's assigned commander leads however they see fit, the septs just provide the bodies and guns.

>>47592503
If only the people I play with didnt being las cannons

>>47592536
>giant robots
maybe if they were treated like actual robots I wouldn't mind so much.

>>47592517

Just spam Hammerheads and whatever you think counts as artillery. As for terrain, I think Bork'an is a Ice World, although they are more towards the science than industry side. Fal'shia would work too if you want crafters.

>>47592404
If you can aquire them autocannon havocs are funny.
Unfortunatly GW only sells 1 per 5 man box, so either ebay or the 5 autocannon set from forgeworld made for Horus Heresy

>>47592536
What robots. I only see fleshy extensions of pilots.

>>47592368
Can't help notice you missed the oppotunity to do the plasma gun up like Ragnarite

How long until Tau are retconned into HH due to sales?

>>47592590
They are treated exactly like that kind of robot always is.

Really, only actual vehicles should have the whole "AV" kind of thing, and it shouldn't have the rules it currently does.

Everything else, from Knight Titans to simple Dreadnoughts, should be MC/GC. Fuck walkers.

This solves two things: It ensures that we don't have to worry about rules imbalances between two identical unit types that has two vastly different rulesets, AND it cuts down on the amount of rules we need to memorize.

It would be a win/win all around.

>>47592662

They will just say that the Tau warmachine is result of reverse engineered Admech armies from 30k.