Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>47582766
Nope, apart from the healdo

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Tell it to me straight, /pfg/, what's your favorite monster. Homebrew or not

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>>47582798
Wheel Skeletons.
DANANA DA DA DANANA

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>>47582798
Definitely the Vilderavn. They have a variety of effects that help screw over parties - for one, they can make the party waste actions because it makes them not count as allies anymore. then there's also the fact that thanks to the bleeding damage it can keep damaging people even after it changes targets, hexes which can make people waste even more actions, and it's a pretty damn good fighter on top of all this, with high quality gear.

Plus, while it's sort of edgy in fluff and appearance, the difference between it and a lot of the bullshit people try to pull of is that the vilderavn actually works it, being out and out scary in both potential and personal power. I'm the anon that put together a build that can solo linnorms, but I haven't worked out how to consistently solo a vilderavn without overwhelming firepower and surprise.

>>47582798
Top 5, in no specific order:

>Rust Monsters
>Owlbears
>Glimmerskins
>Nimblewrights
>Otyughs

Course, actually /using/ the first of those is heresy and awful.

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>>47582846
Go home Pat, you're a blind, overleveled scrub and you're always wrong.

Personally, I'd rather homebrew Bloodborne enemies

>>47582898
What's wrong with using a rust monster?

>>47582898
>tfw I put a pair of rust monsters in a labyrinth my players were in
>tfw I planted a nice shortbow, some really nice arrows, and a keen impervious falcata in easy-to-find places before the fight
>tfw my players found the bow, arrows, and sword, and promptly ran the fuck away from the rust monsters

It was just the two players, but come on.

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>>47582898
I'm having a rust monster in an upcoming game with a warforged cleric!

>>47582798
Stalkers
I dont know if theyre homebrew or not but theyre like huge invisible demonic panthers

>>47582928
Ruining treasure makes the game unfun in a game as treasure-focused as PF.

Gear is sacred, moreso than characters. It may be "fair" but it FEELS awful from both sides of the DM screen in my experience.

>>47582928
It cripples characters that rely on metal gear, which is, like, 75% of them. Even clerics tend to have some metal on them, usually in the form of a weapon and chain armor. Hell, even druids tend to have metal weapons, even if it gets subsumed by wildshaping.

>>47582898
What's a Glimmerskin?

>>47582928
It makes the martials even more useless

>>47582974
Battle-crazy cancer ghosts from the Positive Energy Plane that ride along inside and buff up warriors to get their kicks.

>>47582993
Oh, so bored wizards, gotcha.

>pathfinder with one group, once per week
>been playing together for almost a year (less when you account for time off when the GM's wife gave birth)
>halfway through Rise of the Runelords
I made the mistake of just playing a min-maxed-for-combat dumbass. It's a necessary role but I'm kinda tired of it, but our group is pretty attached to our party structure since everyone has well defined roles.

There are so many different builds I want to try though. How do I satisfy my urge to see them in action?

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>>47583001
Nah. They're martials too, just incorporeal so they can't stab things on their own.

>>47582798
Airship pirates- they're so fucking metal

Our group's GM wants someone to take over for the next game, and I'm tempted to but I've only been playing for a year or so, and I've never GM'd.
Is GMing for the first time difficult? Is it fun?
What should I run?

>>47583041
Be happy you got a group, fuckboi.
Some of us have to GM if we want to play at all.

>>47583041
>Play Rise of the Runelords with friends
>Never finish it because in the third week the lolsoranimb girl in the group gets the party killed by trying to kill the entire town guard

I really wanted to play it, too.

How do I Gambler Kineticist?

>>47582920
>always wrong
>not liam
What's there to stat from Bloodborne though? Most of them are some kind of beast, which is just a mishmash of monster parts, possibly with some fleshwarping. Winter Lanterns might be fun though, they're probably some kind of Mesmerist-based thing.

>>47583086
it is both difficult and fun. you will definitely make mistakes your first time, but you gotta take that first step.

>>47583110
Make someone else do it. Everyone in the group wants to play.

>>47583118
That sucks. The first module is great. Overall thoguh, it feels really...long and winding. Like the actual storyline could have been in 3-4 books rather than 6.

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>>47583134
Living Failures and other Emissary types, Orphan, Moon Presence, Rom, Ebri-chan, the Shadows of Yharnam, the wormheaded beast bosses from the Chalice Dungeons, Amygdala (both Lesser and Greater), the Byrgenwerth students, the Byrgenwerth Flies, Bloodlickers, the Flower Dragons, Ludwig, the Wetnurse, the One Reborn and the mini Ones

And I think there may be some Chalice monsters I'm forgetting

>>47583125
Rule #1: never use your own PP if you can avoid it. Once you get to the point that you're casting almost entirely off of temporary PP, you're much safer unless you piss off whatever deity holds sway over your d20

Rule #2: Cash in early and often. In an ideal fight, you're going to hit it literally every other turn (alternating with a manifested power of choice)

Other than that, have a blast ba-dum-tish

>>47582898
>>47582928
> GM pull out Rusted Monsters
> I am a monster tactician

>Qlippoth get next to no love from Paizo
They have so much potential as a race, it's kind of painful how little they get.
Hell, one species that got mentioned (the Hydraggon) never even got stats.

If it were up to you, what would you do with them?

Can a good cleric cast evil SLA? Logic would say no, but after so many errata about how SLA aren't spell... I am not so sure anymore.

>>47583491
SLA are not spells. therefore, their alignment descriptors don't hit your alignment.

How interested is /pfg/ in homebrew from random posters? It seems like a lot of folks simply get passed over when they post their own.

>>47583521
It varies. If it's the top of a new thread it might not get as lost as if it were post 150-ish at a busy time.

>>47583521
I remember postig some of mine like, a year ago. Lost to the sands of time, sadly; to be fair they probably weren't that good but still.

>>47583521
Depends. I mean, it hasn't stop some people from posting, and often people have to be in the mood to look at homebrew to give feedback... Which isn't often, unless it's something /pfg/ tends to universally like like a waifu race

>>47583514
They're still innately evil. Though the cleric can probably use them, too much use could cause them to fall or shift alignments. Good gods would probably frown upon the use of evil spell-like abilities.

>>47583565
I just want to know whether they can use them or not. It's a simple yes or no question.

No moral/alignment argument, please.

>>47583685
>Her alignment, however, may restrict her from casting certain spells opposed to her moral or ethical beliefs; see Chaotic, Evil, Good, and Lawful Spells.

>A cleric can't cast spells of an alignment opposed to her own or her deity's (if she has one). Spells associated with particular alignments are indicated by the chaotic, evil, good, and lawful descriptors in their spell descriptions.

Spell-likes aren't spells so they're, mechanically, fine to use.

>>47583521
Depends on how invested people are in it, and how well you sell it.
For example, I could go
>Hey check out my fighter fix #346866 pastebin.link
which probably won't get much from you because you threw it in pastebin, when you could have thrown it in googledocs for easy commenting, and everyone's moved away from fighters onto other things by now.
Or you could be like
>Hey, check out my list of new wizard spells, to include Summon: Shotguns and Magic Missile: Nut tap, as well as some new wonderous items at docs.google.blah
And you'll probably get more hits because it's more interesting and it's in a reader/commenter friendly environment.

>>47583521
You tell me:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SeF1EF2NUNMiVRu2ITpuNDZzwyI14ahXTKFiBP97Yy0/edit?usp=sharing
This is my homebrewed vigilante archetype, it's focused on making vigilante's actually able to disguise themselves as other characters.
P.S. It is an initiator archetype that explicitly stacks with the casting archetypes because I want it to.

>>47584054
Vigilantes... already can disguise themselves as other people?

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/
Tell me why doesn't your party have a cool group name or wear badass color-coordinated attires?

>>47584169
We were brought together by necessity, not choice.

>>47584054
>ze instead of he or she

That's really offputting to the point I had to stop reading, even paizo just picks one and sticks with it.

>>47584169
My Bard tried, anon. Believe me, he really tried. It just doesn't fucking stick.

Farewell my dreams of establishing "The Renegade Riders" and their horses with flaming tails and manes (illusory, of course. Nightmares are hard to befriend as a mount unless you're evil as fuck.)

>>47584169
None of us knew each other before the campaign began. Each of us had a different reason to be there, and a different goal.

When the attack came, the four of us were the only survivors. That dragon paid for what it did.

>>47584182
>>47584208
And yet the local populace still calls you 'those heroes who killed a dragon' or 'those guys who saved us from the lich'?

>>47584227
"The Heroes of Rhos Vel" were what we got called. or the "Collared Men". The collars were a long story.

>>47584227
They don't really call us much of anything.

Word about us has a bad habit of never reaching anywhere, due to there always being no survivors besides us by the time we're done killing the monster of the week.

I'm beginning to think our GM hates us.

>>4758352Speaking of, I was gonna just wait, but circumstances have kind of fucked me.

How much would you price an item that let you use Arcane strike as a free action, as well as increased crit range to 19-20/2x and increased the range of Mystic Bolts by 20-30 ft? I want to say, like, 5000-6000, but it's kinda iffy.

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>>47584380
>go to quote >>47583521
>tablet utterly fucks up post
>don't notice

Maybe I shouldn't be shitposting while sick.

Can I use Instant Weapon spell to create Monowhip?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/i/instant-weapon

Do Wizard has no sense of right and wrong?

>>47584811
I hope you enjoy not having any charges in it.

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>>47584862

>>47584811
Yes, but no ammo/charges, so it's useless to you.

>>47584196
Yeah, SINGULAR THEY, PEOPLE.

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What do your character in this situation?

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>>47584912
KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT

>>47584854
>>47584888
Why would it has no charge? Why wouldn't the spell create the weapon in perfect condition? That's like saying the spell would create a bastard sword with broken condition.

>>47584054
Why are all your 'he' mispelled.

Or are you one of those fucking furries that invents new pronouns because simple harmless articles are triggering your fatass memories of that time you were "almost raped" because someone was in the elevator with you and then left without paying attention to you which is exactly the same right tumblr?

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>>47584928
Now now, that's far too extreme

>>47584947
>furry
>tumblr-pronouns
Not the same thing man, even I know that. Furries are all about the he and the she, they need to know if they're fucking or getting fucked.

>>47584940
No, idiot. Tech doesn't come with batteries or charges. When you buy a flashlight you have to put batteries in, don't you? That doesn't make it broken, retard, and neither does having to buy arrows separately from a bow or charges separately from a whip.

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Modern Firearm rules allowed.

Gonna get an Aasen Mortar for my Alchemist.
Whats a good method to quick load a full-round action Siege Firearm?

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>>47584947

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>>47584908
>using a plural as a singular

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>>47585010
Singular they is valid grammar and has been for hundreds of years.

It's also something we use in everyday speech.

>>47585010
Depending on the circumstance it's totally valid. In english the "correct" (quotes because grammar and linguistics are weird) for singular and unknown/no gender is either they or he (due to "proper" english grammar being based off of latin grammar which did much the same although almost exclusively using the masculine instead of the neuter).

>>47584912
Assuming he can make the concentration check (which is not that hard), he would Call Lightning down in his own square, vaporizing all of the slugs with only minor electrocution on himself

>>47584991
Siege Mage / Construct Rider

Get two mortars.
Install on Mount.
Get a Tumor Familiar.
Get all the Siege feats.

Point and Shoot Mortar A.
Familiar Reloads Mortar A
Point and Shoot Mortar B
Familiar Reloads Mortar B

Done. You can now fire once every round.
Don't forget to grab Siege Bomb discovery and Vital Strike.

>>47584940
It creates the weapon in perfect condition, sure.
But it doesn't create ammunition; a separate item.

Unfortunately Paizo was very deliberate in the design of 'charges', and explicitly wrote the whole thing as they did so as to fuck people out of being able to use most tech weapons.

This is why the handful of workarounds are popular fortech. Call Weapon (and, had it been melee, 'instant weapon' spell would work there too) functions on Rockets, due to the specific wording of the rocket launcher.

*that said*, a monowhip (all tech is already masterwork but does not have masterwork stat benefits; you can enchant them on the spot though) is 70 000. That's 700 batteries in cost before you start being behind on purely the purchase. Don't put more than 3 charges into it at a time, and at an average of 12 encounters (and that's PFS) per level up, you'd technically be well above level 150 by the time you paid as much as it costs to just buy the damn thing.

>>47584912
>A creature that takes a direct hit from a Rocket cannot attempt a saving throw to reduce the damage taken.
But it's still AoE, SWARM.

>>47584908
They/It can be dehumanizing, since they're usually used for objects!

There are valid arguments for a non-gendered pronoun!

>>47585109
That's incorrect. "they" and "it" aren't the same.

"They" is a neutral term, it's often used for people, and not really dehumanizing.

"It" isn't neutral, it's /neuter/. It's one specific for objects, not people.

The singular they is English's non-gendered pronoun.

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>>47584054

Props to whichever anon did this.

>>47585109
"It" is dehumanizing. "They" is often used for human subjects and is the accepted standard for a gender-neutral pronoun.

Literally the only controversy surrounding the use of "they" is whether you use "themselves" (as the plural) or "themself" (which makes more sense as a singular, but means that the one word, "they" can be modified two different ways depending on context, which some language purists hate because they're sticks in the mud.)

>>47584054
Just use "they" if you want to use a gender-neutral pronoun. Otherwise just write "he" on one side of a coin, "she" on the other, flip it, and stick to what it says.

>>47584991
Where are the modern firearm rules?

>>47585109
No, "they" is not usually used for objects, you idiot.

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Why, hi there

>>47585179
Transgender individual here, so as someone in the LGBT community, I can confirm this. Even the people with a hard on for determining their own pronouns would blanch at a rules description so jarring as to use ze, xe, or any permutation of that.

>>47585109
Just use they, dude.

>>47585219
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/firearms/modern-firearms

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>>47585241

>>47585241
reported uwu

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>>47585263
Yeah, no

>>47585254
Thanks heaps, bruh, are there more firearms? Or is that it?

>>47585281
uwu

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>>47585302

>>47585241
All the erp discussion was last thread, wait until tomorrow.

>>47585252
Yeah wouldn't a transgender just want to use the one they're trying to switch over to?

I can't imagine not-crystal/tumblrblog/etc wanting to be in "duh struggol" let alone reinforce and advertise it.

>>47585295
That's it. Oh there's the ones (in case they're not there I didn't click the link) in Rasputin must die as well, like the Madsen and the Nagant.

>>47585281
I'd hit it with bonuses from power-attack on every thrust

>>47585295
The next step would be Technological Weapons.

Frankly, the weapon tech in pathfinder is stupid.

It goes from Early Firearms (medieval flair)

Then to Advanced Firearms (wild west)

Then to Modern Firearms (worldwar 2)

Skips to Actual Modern, then proceeds to this Star Wars bullcrap.

I want my Cheytac Ballistic Rifle with smart-targetting. I want my AK-47, the gun that will never misfire. I want my Desert Eagle.

>>47585355
>the gun that will never misfire
You mean Mosin Nagant, you subhuman fuck.

So, if a paladin falls with high charisma and strength. Can I make him into a mediocre/decent mysterious stranger gunslinger? Level 7, by the way.

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>>47585355
>I want my AK-47, the gun that will never misfire
>>47585374
>You mean Mosin Nagant, you subhuman fuck.

this is what slavfags actually believe

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>>47585355
>>47585374
>>47585391

>>47585074
>>47584988
Do Paizo actually stated anyway that a freshly crafted technological weapon doesn't come out fully charge? Since you don't need battery if you have full internal energy capacity.

>>47585074
Battery is non-magical and inanimate right...?
*pull out Marvelous Pigment*

>>47584912
I don't see how anything he's carrying would help besides drenching himself in oil/inks and then set himself ablaze, hopefully dealing with those hellish spawns and cauterizing the wounds in the process. Or die, whatever happens first.

>>47585461
>non-magical
Paizo's weird about that. They generally prohibit normal magic from making it and require specific technological artifacts to make any.

So for this side game my friend will eventually GM, he said it is a oneshot and he is saying fuck it allow everything(1pp/3pp/homebrew). How good of a combo is
Android Wizard(Spellslinger)1/Magus(Eldritch Archer)14 with rifle(advanced firearms) Also we are mythic level 7. He says this oneshot will be super challenging and one trick ponies are a death sentence or something. Android has that int and dex bonus which is very useful for a ranged magus. Also my chance to use advanced firearms. What do you guys think of my eventual build?

>>47585252
>>47585109
>>47585142

Some people don't identify with either gender, and would prefer not to be associated with either. I am the creator of the archetype by the way, and don't myself. I didn't use "they" because I am somewhat of an English grognard so they as singular rather than plural bothers me... especially since its roots are masculine.

>>47585621
I'm not dissing the way you are, but - seriously. You should change it to he or she if you don't want every discussion about the archetype to become about the pronouns instead.

Even paizo, the king of zealous SJW decisions, makes a he or she decision for each class and just runs with it.

>>47585241
Succubutts please go and stay go.

>>47585621
>>47585648

Specifically, the gender of the class matches the iconic.

>>47585621
you don't understand me - I have several friends who don't identify as either, but this whole shitstorm should be proving to you that using nonstandard gender pronouns in a ruleset is jarring as shit.

>>47585391
idi nahui, cyka blyat

>>47585621
s/he
Or She like pathfinder defaults to.
Or it.
Or something that isn't fucking Ze.
Because if singular They, which is grammatically correct, bothers you how then fuck does a made up word not.

>>47585694
I do prefer the singular they, s/he, or she/he depending on the iconic's gender. Ze just sounds like an awful attempt at a german accent.

>>47585694
>Or She like pathfinder defaults to.

Pathfinder actually uses the gender of the iconic for every class.

>>47585694
Pathfinder doesn't default to anything except what gender the iconic is.

>>47585719
This, desu.

>>47585734
>>47585724
>Or She like pathfinder defaults to.
Know what fair enough I just remembered that it seemed like it was almost always "she".
Then change point 2 to "Just go with what the iconic is."

>>47585621
>I am the creator of the archetype by the way, and don't myself. I didn't use "they" because I am somewhat of an English grognard
Translation:
>I am severely autistic and do not understand gender or any other part of how people work

>>47585355
Someone should homebrew those rules then

>>47582890
He really is something to fear.

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can someone hook me up with the Broken Earth book? Obviously the one for PF, not SW.

>>47585787
>>I am severely autistic and do not understand gender or any other part of how people work
Oh shush.

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>>47585805

Please rate my build.
World is E10, which means once we hit max level 10 we start gaining loads and loads of feats.

We're coming in at 10th level and 3 feats.

Human Illusionist/Dervish Defender/Bladecaster VMC Oracle

With +2 all Belt and Headband and Alter Self to a Small Humanoid:
10 STR, 24 DEX, 16 CON, 20 INT, 12 WIS, 14 CHA

Human: +2 to a Second Stat
Human: +1 Skill Rank/level
Traits: Magical Knack, Agile Dancer, Unorthodox Style (Shattered Mirror)
Drawback: Vain
Martial Tradition: Wayward Path
VMC: Heaven Mystery, Mute Curse
Level 1: Combat Casting
Level 3: Lure of the Heavens
Level 5: Improved Counter Spell
Level 7: Create Water at Will
Level 9: Weapon Finesse
Bonus: Deadly Agility
Bonus: Improved Unarmed Strike
Bonus: Greater Unarmed Strike

She TWF a Cane and her Unarmed Strike a la Canne d'Arme, casts illusions, and teleports around. Anything else you guys would recommend for her (what would be some good magic items, beyond the big six?)

Anyone got the Magic Tactics Toolbox stuff? Can't find it in the old threads.

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>>47585621
He and They are both neutral and grammatically acceptable. The former was the accepted gender-neutral pronoun for a long time as well, only recently did a wave of "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE"s decide that because it can *also* refer to men it must obviously be rapetrigger rapebad.

You can even use 'one' to refer to individuals, which is damn near "royal we" in detachment. With all these options why invent new things?

Because nobody that uses those homebrew pronouns is EVER happy about anything but their own special snowflake one, because the attention is what it's all about.

If you use ze, you piss off those that want it xe. if you use xe, you piss off those that want it ve. you use ve, you piss off those that wanted hir, and so on. What you'd choose wouldn't matter, what would matter is that those people will be offended no matter what, because being offended is their goal, the only personality they've been able to come up with, and the only sexual pleasure in their life.

So... at least don't butcher the language, so at least those with other components to their self won't be confused or annoyed at new homebrew grammatical errors on your part.

>>47585659
THAT. MAKES. FUCKING. SENSE.

>>47584054
Well it was a fun thread guys, but it's too late now.
I for one embrace our new shitposting overlords.

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>>47585995
I'll admit I can't think of anyone that would be anything but snobified by the use of Royal We for themselves.

It also perfectly fits hiveminds.

>>47586042
We need a Nobility PrC that uses the royal we for its rules text, obviously.

>>47586009
What's amusing is that the power-fantasy classes (Tier 1 and 2) are mostly female, while the grounded classes (Tier 3 and 4) are mostly male. Most INT based classes are Male too, IIRC.

>>47586055
Wizard is male, so there we go. Patriarchy still wins.

>>47586042
thanks /m/, for reminding me that I have to make a debtman PC sometime.

>>47586054
>"So your pronoun is we?"
>"We refer to ourself as such, yes"
>"So, what about in second person?"
>"We are unconcerned by such inconsequential existences"
>"But what about if someone refers to you?"
>"We have a title, and you WILL use it or face the consequences"

>>47584169
My players came up with the name of their party/team/gang the title "Gold Star Outlaws" (some sort of attempt at an Outlaw Star reference). Unfortunately for them, it did not stick as well as their first and much more impulsive idea for a group name: Fruit Punch. All the gangs and lesser magic practitioners quaked in fear at the arrival of Fruit Punch.

>>47585995
>He and They are both neutral and grammatically acceptable. The former was the accepted gender-neutral pronoun for a long time as well, only recently did a wave of "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE"s decide that because it can *also* refer to men it must obviously be rapetrigger rapebad.

Yeah, no.

"he" is not gender-neutral today, it wasn't gender-neutral five hundred years ago, and at no point in the entire intervening time period has it ever actually been gender-neutral. That (like the concomitant derogation of epicene "they") is Victorian-era bullshit, from the same puffed-up halfwits that brought you rules like "split infinitives are ungrammatical" and "don't end a sentence with a preposition"—imported directly from Latin, because they sure as hell haven't ever been rules of English.

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>>47586055
>erroneous picture

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>>47586148
What clears his mind from the cosmic berserking side effects of his machine's eldritch core?

Is it love?
Is it loyalty?
Is it a love for peace?
Is it sheer willpower, or the wishes of his friends?

NAY! We built a little speaker that makes the sound of pennies hitting the floor and JEW! Problem Solved!

>>47586173
Way to fucking lie, asshole.
While in the 1700s there was a short period where "Ou" was used as a neutral pronoun, it was for purposes of "unknown", and not "asexual". It was actually much more common, including referring to children, animals and many not-object things.

A generic 'he' was used in the middle and modern english periods for both male and female sexes, and in fact 'him' spent a long time being useless in figuring out whether one was speaking of a male or female when using it.

>>47586173
How is the victorian era not english? Back then 'he' could mean women as well; it was men that basically lacked their own pronoun, since women had 'she' and subhumans had 'it'

>>47586247
I recall Wereman and Wifman being used for males and females at some point. Were got dropped, whereas wif morphed into wo.

And probably is the origin of wife.

>>47585969
http://imgur.com/a/3KWOX

>>47586279
From what I remember of the etymology you're correct.

>>47586279
Actually that's just 'Wif' which meant "Woman", derived from Wiban (germanic). At the time, 'Wer' was man, again, used the same way for marriage.

When one said their wife (their wif) they basically meant 'their woman'. When one said their Wer, it was equally possessive; 'their man'.

Husband eventually replaced it, and basically comes from the terms for 'house' and 'dweller', not to mention some verbs regarding stewardship (as in butlers).

We were way better off with 'wer' in terms of dignity!

>>47586175
There is a bunch of incorrect info on this chart, it needs to be redone.

>>47586354
Like Linxia being an Antipaladin (she's a Fighter/Hellknight) and Rivani being T1?

>>47586173
Except that's wrong, you're retarded and you need to kill yourself.

I'm not sure if this is entirely right, so bear with me, please.

>Barbarian, Core
>Rage Powers:
>Elephant Totem, Lesser (Heroes of the Jade Oath): gain tusks for a piercing gore attack, 1d8
>Elephant Totem (Heroes of the Jade Oath): Gain +1 size bonus to CMB, CMD, determining whether an enemy creature's special attacks (improved grab, swallowed whole, etc.), as well as capable of using weapons one size larger than himself.
>Elephant Totem, Greater (Heroes of the Jade Oath): Gain a trample special attack acting one size larger than you, dealing 2d6 damage +1-1/2 (1.5?) times your strength, which has a reflex save equal to (10+1/2 Barb level + Str) for half damage.
>Boar's Charge(Blood of the Moon): When hitting with a gore as part of a charge, you automatically score a critical threat, while still needing to confirm as normal.
>Disemboweling Tusks (Blood of the Moon): Upon confirming a critical hit, deal 1d4 Con damage in addition to normal damage.
>Take Improved Natural Attack to increase the tusk damage to 2d6
>Wear Mammoth Hide Armour (Inner Sea Combat): ...grants the wearer an additional 4d6 damage to successful charge attacks.

If I'm doing the math right, during a rage at level 12, with a total of 22 Str from both rage and a +4 Belt of physical might (S/D), as a Dwarf, I'm looking at doing, as a charge:

>4d6+36+(2d6+9(DC 23 for half))+4d6

Is that right? Does Trample get multiplied with a crit? How does this compare to the usual "beast totem and big two-handed" shtick?

>>47586442
Also the fighter's sex is incorrect.

>>47582890
>I haven't worked out how to consistently solo a vilderavn

Really? Our GM threw one against my Investigator as the end of a long running arc, and he solo'd it.

Pretty much any fight-y type worth their salt (and in the appropriate level range) can fuck up a Vilderaven.

>>47586306
Thanks famalaminate.

>>47586337
No one cares at this point, go be a faggot somewhere else.

>>47586472
A fighter worth their salt allowed to get in melee with anything even above their level range can solo it. Full attack pisses damage, it's all it does.

What is the multiclassing variant/rules called where you upon level you choose 2 classes and you get all class features and if any overlap you get the best of the two? Want to look up the rules for it.

>>47586306
>>47586488
Nevermind, fuck you for making me waste gratitude, that's Inner Sea Intrigue.

>>47586515
Gestalt.

>>47586530
Thanks

>>47586504
I mean, I did say "fight-y type" not Fighter, but I agree. The Vilderaven is pretty much only scary (on its own) for a party that's vastly under-leveled/geared, and has no business fighting it to begin with.

>>47586518
Sorry, it's quarter of 3 and I need to sleep. Should not be trying to help at this hour.

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Okay, /pfg/
Whats that one selfish goal your character has?

My Alchemist wants to brew and partake of mead from the finest source of honey ever. The honey of a Thriae waifu

>>47586445
Oh, forgot the Con damage

>4d6+36+(2d6+9(DC 23 for half))+4d6+1d4 Con

>>47586574
Fair enough, thanks for trying anyway. Sleep well and have sweet dreams, anon.

>>47586577
To just be allowed to retire in peace, spend time with his husband, raise his daughter, and not have to worry about shit.

Unfortunately, barring divine intervention, the World Wound ain't going anywhere, his husband isn't stepping down as High Inquisitor, his sister ain't giving up witchcraft, and his best friend won't stop spying for Andoran. He won't know peace until he dies, and not even then, if half the the lords of the Abyss get their way.

>>47585995
>>47585694
>>47585661
>>47585648
It is changed to "he" as the iconic vigilante. Now could I get feedback on the archetype/talents? I really like a vigilante as an idea, but the class is worse than every other class at being a vigilante(especially considering they made gaining 1/2 the bonus of the dual identity ability free for everyone and 1/4 a 0 level spell.

>>47586635
Of course!

In fact I already pointed something out...
The maneuver learning and using were a leeetle contradictory

>>47586577
My cleric wants to punch his god in the face at least once.

He already carries out his god's ideals. I don't see why the god has to be a conniving dick about it.

Or maybe I just wanna punch my DM, because he doesn't know how to roleplay a "beneficent but mysterious deity" without sounding like an arrogant piece of shit.

>>47586653
Thanks! Changed to "need not"

>>47586577
To hug a walrus, they are mythical beasts as the character does not live near the ocean, and merpeople are much more common.

>>47586635
I'll look at it in the morning, Colin.

>>47586690
I FUCKING HOPE I'm not looking at a table that says they get 42 motherfucking feats by 20th.

Because that is what it looks like I'm looking at.

>>47586776
Feats are the meaning of life, my friend.

Embrace it.

>>47586776
Not quite. They have a thing called "social flexibility". It's like martial flexibility (see: Brawler), except it's the inbred, deformed, mentally deficient child of that and Vancian Casting. Someone thought this was a good idea, oh my fucking god.

>>47586577
She has a bunch of noble goals like restoring her family and redeeming those who've strayed away from the light, and fighting evil, and everything.

But secretly she really hopes she can get famous and popular by doing it, too.

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>>47586577
Vengeance.
Omnicidal, burning, vengeance.

>>47586577
Make a gun that doesn't suck.

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Hey does anybody know what book has that one lightsaber knockoff weapon in it?

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>>47586909

>>47586912
Thanks bud

>>47586577
Their race has no god of their own, they want to find (or become) a god that stands for their race.

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>>47586577
He seeks to restore his nation to its before beauty, before forty years of war and a flying going nuclear blighted it. He also wants to find the instigators of the war, and avenge his people, with his bare hands, if need be.

The last thing on his list, though, is to become a farmer. He dreams of converting his sword into a scythe, and tend fields of flowers and grains, never taking another life for whatever reason, for the rest of his days.

>>47582963
>metal gear
!
!
!
!

!

>>47584876
Oh no it's a senpaitipede!

>>47585855
Something tells me the captain of that boat took a wrong turn somewhere.

>>47586586
A trample is a full round action, exclusive from a charge. You won't be doing both

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Hey /pfg/ this is a quick reminder that casting a spell with an [Evil] Descriptor, even if it's off a spell or a wand, makes your character evil!

But don't worry! If you're sufficiently ashamed of yourself for doing such a naughty thing, then it may take more than one casting for you to become irredeemably evil.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=1245?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#62231

>>47587023
Is there any way to make that not a free action, like with charge through and/or improved overrun?

If not, and removing the trample from the overall damage, is that still good damage?

>>47587076
Full action, fuck.

>>47586986
>druid casts Shillelagh

A weapon to surpass metal gear...?

!

>>47587055
So... if this forcibly changes your alignment to evil but your character doesn't want to be evil...

Why not just get a wand of a [Good] spell and cast it a few times so you flop back?

>>47587055
Casting evil spells sucks out a bit of goodness in the world. It's why they're [evil].
Flip flopped for [good]
That's how I choose to internalize it, cause it is pretty stupid.

>>47587076
you can full round action charge, and get the charge bonuses from the tusks feats for garunteed crits, or you can full round action perform a trample action in which you overrun people. There are several barbarian and a fighter variant that do bonus effects when you successfully overrun people (to add STR mod to damage) on top of doing that but you won't count as charging anymore since your trampling. you can overrun on a charge, but then you aren't trampling, which is an automatically successful overrun action. There is an argument for a combination of actions and rage powers to combine to allow you to do both but i dont think it would be rules as written correct.

as to if it does good damage, that is relative to your table and how good your table dishes out damage.

>>47587055
>>47587121
FCII had the right idea about this.

Casting too many evil spells would damn you, but it was a minor evil on par with "humiliating an underling" so it'd take quite a few if that's the only evil thing you were doing. It wouldn't necessarily even cause an alignment shift, it just meant you sinned enough for the pact primeval to kick in.

>>47585482
I only saw JJ's post preventing it. JJ's word isn't rule.

>>47587415
>not reading the stats
Cuck. Nearly all tech items require a lab or two to craft, which require generators. Both labs and generators are artifacts by themselves.

>>47586205
What would debtman class be? Barbarian because MONEY RAGE?

>>47587428
And why wouldn't magic bypass both?

Nearby all mundane weapon also require a forge and tool to craft but spell bypass them all.

>>47587449
>Paizo
>making high tech worth using even for fullcasters

How naive.

I agree that the restriction is dumb, but you know how things are.

One of my players wants to use Autohypnosis to memorise a whole library and then instantly recall everything relevant in combat, getting complete knowledge on all monsters.
How the fuck do I handle this?

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Has anyone ever had a good experience being handed a premade character? It would be at level 1, and each PC would get to evolve the character as they see fit, but I'm planning a very thematic campaign and I need them all to fit in.

The campaign will be a 1-20 Adventure Path following the DOOM scenario: "The Empire" has built an impregnable fortress that is shielded by a magical Paling. Then the fortress stops responding to messages, so the PCs are sent along with an Imperial Legion to investigate. They find it open and the power out, but once they enter it locks down.

The proposed characters are:
A Human Holy-Light Paladin responding to reports that a devil-cultist escaped into the fortress with the workers.
An Oracle with the Life mystery and Wasting Disease curse that saw the empty fortress in a vision.
A Banishment Abjurer that was supposed to arrive at the fortress a few weeks before it went quiet, but was delayed because of red-tape.
An Infernal Bloodline Sorcerer seeking her true father, and the trail leads to the fortress.
A Rogue used by the Empire as an Imperial Operator spook, tasked with ensuring that any Imperial secrets in the fortress remain secure.
A retired sword-and-board Imperial veteran Fighter who's daughter was on the staff of the Arcane Laboratories.

They're all well built with good stats for their classes, but they're pretty cliche'd. I just don't know how much the average player would balk at having their creativity curbed.

>>47587914
Premades are a cardinal sin. They're the worst thing ever, unless you play with a very tight group of friends and it has been agreed about in advance.
Generally, avoid premades like fire.

>>47587914
Avoid Premades. But if you really need a reason for the party to roleplay specific purposes, make a "list" of possible character hooks to justify their role.

Those things you listed works - but don't restrict it by class. Just tell the players to incorporate your hooks somehow while they design their character.

>>47587940
What if it's a character select kind of thing?

>>47587982
Just. Avoid. Them.

Premades are an insult to the player and their agency.

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>>47587902
I've actually done this before. He gets +2 to all knowledges, because he has a masterwork knowledge tool on hand at all times.

>>47587914
I actually once saw a couple people work themselves into such a furious rage over a GM not letting them play a character they made themselves and instead being handed a premade that they literally haven't played Pathfinder since.

Premades are a bad, bad idea. They are an affront to creativity and player agency, and should burn in hell.

>>47588048
I played a Premade once.

It was at a convention, which is understandable, since we had like... a few hours, and teaching people how to MAKE characters as well as play them would probably take too long, even if it was 4e.

I remember nothing about it at all. Except for the fact that I called everything that was going to happen before it happened, to the point the DM apparently would have suspected me of going to ask other people about it if I wasn't in his first group for the day.

I somehow won a plastic rock award with my name on it for that.

>>47588079
I can accept Premades for pick-up-and-play shit at like, conventions because you need to be able to roll relatively quickly. But anybody who not only brings but forces premades at a standard table is bullshit.

>>47587902
Memory =/= Intelligence.

He might remember the book, but can't make sense of it.

Like memorizing latin, but without a translation. Absolutely worthless.

Having eidetic memory works best with geography or memorizing faces though.

>>47584912
Roll Grapple

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I have a Stalker in the middle of nowhere and want to get\make\craft\etc butterfly sword.

My level is 4, but I'm about to level up to 5.
I don't think that taking Craft skill is a wise decision at this point - Int 10, with 5 ranks I'll get +8 to check (+6 'cause "improvised tools"). Item cost = 200 sp, Craft DC = 15 (Martial), if 15 is achived, I'll make it in 1 week (15*15 = 225), but that's "if" (with +6 to check that's a big "if").
Also, there is 5 level Cleric, willing to help with spellcasting.

So, my question is - what is the easiest way to get butterfly sword in this situation?

>>47588228
Ask the DM to equip an enemy with one. Xe could even relate that enemy to your character. Xe'd be a dick to withold your weapon of choice.

Shadow Conjuration doesn't need extra spell component of the spell they mimic right?

For example, Can I use Shadow Conjuration for a free Sepia Snake Sigil or free Storm of Blades?

>>47588263
Yes. It's all FREE.

>>47588263
Moreover, it's always a standard action. Even things like Phantom Steed, sometimes making Shadow Conjuration better than the spell it mimics.

>>47588262
>xe

How long until Pathfinder implodes?

>>47588279
>>47588284
Next question.

What happen to spell that specifically target object like Secret Coffer? Since object auto-pass disbelief saving throw.

>>47588372
20% chance to work (assuming Shadow Conjuration and no abilities that increase the percentage from the baseline)

I might be running a campaign soon and I am starting to think of characters. I have an idea for a DMPC heal bot (group might be new/not want a healer), I just need optimal cuteness to blackmail the players.
I'm thinking a halfling girl, 7 or 8 years old, nature oracle.
Any other ideas?

>>47588379
Thanks. It's better than 0%...

Until I can get my hand on 120% real shadow that is.

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While we're talking about Shadow -xxx-... And because i'm planning to make a character out of it... What's the next school that might get Shadow'd?

>>47588434
120% Shadow spells is the most fun thing ever, easily my favourite arcane spellcaster build.

>>47588438
I kinda want Shadow Necromancy.

>>47588379
>>47588284
>>47588279
Shadow Mystery Oracle seems like a really good way to be "mystic theurge".

Dark Secret revealation to pick from
Shadow Conjuration,Evocation,Enchantment,Transmutation to steal from Wizard/Sorcerer list.

>>47588438
Shadow Illusion!

>>47588468
>Shadow Mystery
What book?

>>47588476
>cast Shadow Illusion to emulate Shadow Conjuration
>cast Shadow Illusion to emulate Shadow Evocation
>etc.

Will _any_ other spell be worth using in that case?

>>47588483
That + 120% real illusions means you have infinitely real illusions, since you Shadow Illusion Shadow Illusion.

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>>47588477
Blood of the Shadows. It's in the trove too.

These 2 revelations + all the usual Oracle spells.

>>47588512
But anon, you usually can't emulate spells of the same level. Only lower ones.

>>47588529
>Paizo casterblowing
>consistent or balanced

>>47588529
Heighten Spell

>>47588571
Doesn't work on Shadow spells RAW.

Since we're talking about Shadow Conjuration...

I can't use Shadow Conjuration to mimic Mount and cast Alter Summoned monster on it right?

>>47588588
You can't, since it's not a conjuration (summoning) spell - it merely mimics one.

I want to create cyborg demons as enemies for my players.
Where should I start about this? Does DSP have any good cyborg stuf? If so, where can I find it?

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How do I work this as an enemy?

>>47586158
Funny story about that; once, in a...really unusual game I was in, the GM handed me a special premade character to play that used the plural 'we' for their chosen pronoun; the other players assumed from the start it had to do with their nature as a shapeshifting construct.

It ended up getting revealed - to all of us, GM had several sealed envelopes in the packet of info he'd handed me representing 'sealed' memories - as a big-ass plot point that 'they' were in fact speaking literally by using plural terms - as in, the construct had inside itself the soul of its creator, held for safekeeping and protection; and, apparently, I'd been referring to both myself and this other soul as some sort of weird-ass hint about this.

It was...strange, but kind of cool, I guess.

>captcha: Soul Avenue
Disturbingly fitting.

Psionic Shadow powers when?
I want Shadow Psychokinesis and Shadow Metacreativity, god damn it.

>>47588915
They're incompatible.

Shadow constructs are reflections of the material.

Astral constructs are reflections of the mental.

>>47586577
>Whats that one selfish goal your character has?

Revenge.

>>47589076
Shadow>Astral

Man, a Shadow Aegis would be cool as fuck.

>>47588830
Wax golem?

>>47587430
Actually other than the B/R split in Saisei Hen He's a pretty straightforward pilot, and *avoids* control loss (it's more a drawback with an item to negate it).

It's like if you replaced the pet/magic bits of a Ranger with the Reactor Knight's Overdrive system.

>>47587449
Because, in this case, ARTIFACT.
Crafting requires MINIMUM TWO COLOSSAL ARTIFACTS.

To give you an idea how much they wanted tech to be NPCs only, even wizards. MOTHER. FUCKING. WIZARDS. Require incredibly expensive spells with higher material cost than just building a new battery, in order to use their spell that puts a few charges in an item.

A WIZARD can't fucking RECHARGE tech well or with any kind of ease.

Psicrystal Cores can be used to do so, at a rate of 5pp per charge, which is a shitty deal but much much better than "I need diamonds"

>>47588370
It's halfway there.

>>47588263
>>47588279
>>47588284
>>47588379
Wait.. Storm of Blades doesn't limit the size of the sword you use as material component...

Can I use Shadow Conjuration to create colossal greatswords? just like in one of my Chinese cartoon

>>47589215
Thank you DSP for War Soul and Discipline Weapon Shapes, without which I might never have been able to use these moderately cool things.

Hello again /pfg. I'm bored at work today, and internal discussion made me realize that I think a section of the LotW playtest might have been missed because it's fairly small. The section in question is the spells, which currently number 4. Just wanted to see if the lack of feedback was because people felt they were fine or because people missed them completely.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FcMpsY7ancpaWiBpFhI_jlARL8p2OXZhaFxAjzJCyW4/edit

They start on page 17 of the doc

>>47589610
Yo, while you're still here, I have an important question for you.
What is the extent of the Autohypnosis Memorise ability? Can a player use it to memorise a whole library to always know everything about monsters?

>>47589619
He isn't the person to ask.

>>47589641
Whatever.
Can you answer, then?
Or, at least, can you give me a hint on how to handle Steel Flurry Strike before the errata project is released? Three players of mine picked up Broken Blade in this campaign. They're still level 1, but it might get tough to handle it later on.

>>47589652
I'm 9001% sure we had this conversation before, with 2hu. I'm gonna repeat what I said then: RAW there are no limits, but you should be asking your DM, not us.

Additionally, there's a vast gulf between "this library" and "the information on every monster ever." For that matter, there's a vast gulf between "this library" and "every monster under a particular Knowledge". My PERSONAL, PRIVATE-CITIZEN and UNOFFICIAL suggestion would be to do the masterwork tool bonus to one Knowledge thing that an anon suggested above.

But really, this was a question for your own table.

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>>47589675
>RAW there are no limits, but you should be asking your DM, not us.
The problem is that I am the DM and I have no idea how to handle a player doing that.

>>47589675
Anyhow, thanks for the +2 to knowledges suggestion.

>>47589695
No worries. Care to look at the spells that Keledrath needs eyes on?

>>47589848
I gave them a quick look, but I'm not sure what to comment on them. And it doesn't help that werewolves are my single least favourite kind of fantasy monsters.

>>47589848
>>47589852
But if you're asking, here's what I'd comment:

Lunar Vitality feels right. It's essentially refluffed Infernal Healing. Nothing wrong here.

Detect Shapeshifter is pretty standard. Nothing exceptional here.

Curse of the Beast is sorta similar to Murderous Command. I'm not sure it deserves 3rd level instead of 2nd, since this way it's pretty similar to just being a much worse Suggestion.

Greater Curse of the Beast feels ok.

>>47589848
>>47589877
In other words, I think Curse of the Beast should be 2nd level. Other than that, everything seems ok.

>>47586577
To become a fictional mike tyson and talk shit to enemies.

>>47589848
Also, noting a few typos:
>Target one humanoid or outsider with the native
Lacks the subtype word.
>Size and Type: The creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature) gains the shapechanger subtype. A werewolf's hybrid form is Medium size or the base creature’s size, whichever is larger.
Doesn't specify the size of the animal form.

>>47588438
Wasn't there a wizard (?) archetype that granted the ability to cast any spell in his spellbook as a "shadow" spell?

>>47590000
That's the Tomebound Beguiler, m80.

>>47590020
Beguiler you say?

>>47589890
So the thing that I like with Curse of the Beast is that it's double sided. You can give an ally a fairly powerful template, but you risk them losing control (which can be managed through positioning).
OR you can use it on an enemy brute who hasn't moved away from his squishies. He's more likely to pass the Fort save, but also more likely to fail the Will save.
OR you can use it on an enemy caster. Generally more likely to fail the fort save, and doesn't get a ton out of a melee focused template. But if they fail the Will save, they're stuck beating on the closest person for several rounds.

Also, as a transmutation spell, it runs into a lot fewer immunities and resistances than Suggestion would. It's much more combat focused, I'll admit, but it has a nice layer of utility that made me feel 3rd was the right level for it.

>>47589956
>typo
you saw nothing :P

>size of the animal form
Good catch, forgot to fix that from the original lycanthrope template. Will clean up wording next time we put an update through

Thanks for the feedback ladies, gents, and eldritch abominations. I'll probably be in and out most of the day, Friday tends to be a slow day

>>47590039
Yes.

>>47590041
>is that it's double sided.
That's exactly why it should be of a lower level.
You can't reliably use it on an ally (they might end up beating the shit out of you) and you can't reliably use it on the enemy.
And even when it fully succeeds against an enemy, it's not worth being a 3rd level spell.

>>47589852
Ditto. Them and skeeters are both in the plasma-until-nothing-left category of "let's just get this over with" for monsters.

Nothing hurt our image of vamps and werewolves more than the last decade's choice of movies and showcase shows....

I don't wanna BE the lycanthrope, I barely even want to waste time gunning the thing down.

>>47590090
>I don't wanna BE the lycanthrope, I barely even want to waste time gunning the thing down.
Same thing, bro, same thing.
While I can see the appeal of vampires, werevolves always just felt as overgrown animals and dull to me.

>>47590090
>>47590117
Fuck you guys werewolves are awesome.

>>47590139
Enjoy them if you want, I guess, but I'm definitely not the target audience.

I'm just going to enjoy the fact that with those two power-charms, my Warsoul's XASER counts as Mithral as well (also Adamant), even though it doesn't even need to deal with DR since it's fire damage.

>>47590020
Not sure why I thought it was a wiz archetype, but it appears that you're right.

>>47590174
Any other feedback? I'm happy to hear someone is using what I wrote, but I hunger for any feedback on the stuff. Charms in particular were written to be easily expandable later, so if people like them more can come.

There seems to be a demand for it...who's going to homebrew modern firearm rules?

>>47584912
>teleportation wizard
>shift 30 ft away
>the giant maggots are left behind
>repeat until I can go a turn without getting swarmed
>teleport away

>>47585355
If illithids are from the future, would giving them advanced firearms be a good idea? Or would they rely on psionics?

If psionics already exist, what would be a good way to show just how terrifyingly advanced and intelligent these time-travelers are?

>>47590222
Can you link it again? I was looking for the stuff right now.

>>47590251
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SrB0WBi4eCsZ990MtH4NlLzFuQzTpYRNuNg2EaK6YnU/mobilebasic

This goes to the combined playtest document.

>>47590282
Thanks, mate.
It'll probably be a while until I comment on it, though.

>>47590222
oh, of course.
The power charms can always use more (if you ever need to fill some pagespace...) given they tend to add a level or a +1 or something to a class ability.

My main complaint with them is that they're individually so forgettable... But that's also one of their biggest draws: The grand majority of them is simple, straightforward "improve X a little", and most of them improving something you can't improve elsewhere.

There's a HUGE difference in value between making a mindblade Mithral and making a mind(or soul or whatever) ARMOUR Mithral. At the same time, it should probably apply to non-skin Aegis suits.

The Wind Reader one should probably allow the Wind Reader REPLACEMENTS (like the Shroud's) to fuel it as well.

WHAT does the essence one *do*? You can't invest it, so it doesn't work on Essence Focus, it doesn't work on any receptacles (veils or items), can you even use it on a power bomb? What does it do???


Down in the refinement ones, a few more wouldn't hurt of course, but I'd especially like to see training equivalents work on the 'your weapon training'. Stuff like favored weapon, etc...

Please include a power and refinement charm in regards to kineticists; the DSP archetypes are their best versions yet, you may as well back them itemwise, anyone playing one is probably playing yours!

>>47590282
Do Firesight Glasses just flat-out counter the Stealth skill? If yes, that is absurdly strong.
It's essentially Blindsight without being countered by abilities by Dampen Presence, which is ridiculous.

>>47590282
>>47590327
It also counters all figments of creatures since you see they aren't covered in flame.
Utterly bullshit.

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Are there particular areas in the setting where stuff from Occult Adventures would fit especially well? Or races that would be good to attach it to?

>>47590382
Jalmeray and Katapesh jump to mind right away. As for races, Changelings and Tengu are always good for occult-type stuff.

>>47590327
I can't open docs on my phone, can you quote those at me?

>>47590427
Firesight Eyes
Aura faint evocation; CL 1
Slot eyes; Price 45,000 gp; Weight -
DESCRIPTION
These glass lenses are tinted red, and donning them wreaths creatures in phantom fires which give away their location and highlight their weaknesses. Often worn by powerful Efreeti Sultans, these lenses reveal hidden foes and concealed enemies wherever they may hide. Wearing these lenses outlines all creatures within 60 ft. in dancing flames that only you can see. Outlined creatures do not benefit from the concealment normally provided by darkness (though a 2nd-level or higher magical darkness effect functions normally), blur, displacement, invisibility, or similar effects.
CONSTRUCTION
Craft Wondrous Item, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, faerie fire; Cost 22,500 gp

>>47590320
The one floating essence is stronger than it looks, things that burn essence or that count your total can use it.

Thank you for the other notes as well, there will be more of these coming.

>>47590327
We're tracking that, but thanks for the confirmation (and additional details). The item is on the list to be revised.

>>47590382
The occult flavor always felt really south-asian inspired to me, so Vudra would be a good location if you wanted to leave the inner sea region.

>>47590432
>We're tracking that, but thanks for the confirmation (and additional details). The item is on the list to be revised.
Two things I want to stress in particular:
1. Any ability that confers the equivalent of blindsight must specifically state that it is, indeed, blindsight. Since blindsight is already strong enough, but it at least has counters like Dampen Presence. Blindsight without counters is simply too strong. I already encountered this same problem with the Psionic Power Touchsight, by the way.
2. Countering all figments within 60ft is too strong for a 45k item.

>>47590432
I don't think you can count temporary essence towards things like the max-HP feat?

I guess the burn one can work.

>>47590020
>>47590183
Do either of you anons have a link for that?

>>47590513
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6bKY5cuGjh9VFA1OF8xVmtqWjA/edit
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6bKY5cuGjh9UndDSnNaWjF5aTA/view
Here you go.

>>47590518
Thanks, familia.

If you use telekinetic force to thrust someone into a wall thats 50 ft away they would take 5d6 points of damage? Also when it says targets are determined by level does it mean manifester level or just levels in whatever class?

>>47590432
I realize that Steelforge 1 is out already but isn't the Charm of Spirit too powerful? For 7000 you can get 10 additional ki points. that's insane.

>>47590580
When a power or spell mentions level, it's ALWAYS talking about manifester/caster levels unless it explicitly says otherwise or is talking about the target.

>>47590580
No it will be 1d6, as if it had fall 10 ft.
You can use telekinetic force to pull down target from high place to suffer actual fall damage for watewer-d6

So for all this talk about 120% real shadow spells, how exactly can you get there?

>>47590677
Shades, trait to ignore 1 LA, Solid Shadows, either Arcanist Fetchling FCB or Sorcerer Shadow Bloodline capstone or that Revelation from the Shadow Oracle Mystery.

>You can give a character knowledge of a power of any level that she can manifest

Does this mean the target of this spell can only learn up to the maximum powers known by them? Or is it based on the person casting the spell.

>>47590282
>Chaos Root Paste
>Price 4,000 gp
>This horrible substance is crafted from a specific plant found only in chaos-tainted realms. Although it does no damage, its effects are far more dramatic. Upon failing the initial save against this poison, two random physical ability scores are swapped until its effects are cured. Further failed saves do not result in more swaps, only the initial one does.
>Type Injury; Save Fortitude DC 20
>Onset Immediate; Frequency 1/minute for one hour
>Effect as description; Cure 1 save
Poisons don't fucking work that way.

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>>47590697
>Shades
ok
>Trait to ignore 1 LA
? i think i missed it
>Solid Shadows
Oke, nice
>Arcanist Fetchling FCB
?? pic related
>The rest

So, level 20 or go home? What about early shadowers?
How early can a caster based on shadows come online -reliably-? Lvl 7-8?

>>47590910
>trait
I think he means that one every magus takes for metamagic reduction. Shades is too high level to be metamagiced by Solid Shadows without it

>>47590818
Got an alternative suggestion for the wording?

>>47590935
Depends on what you want.
As is, there are two options:
1. The target succeeds on the initial save, nothing happens.
2. The target fails the initial save, ability scores are swapped, 10 rounds of LITERALLY NOTHING afterwards.

Do you want some third option?

>>47590967
I'm just getting feedback expanded on so the author can address it properly.

>>47590935
>>47590967
I mean 60 minutes, not 10 rounds.
Misread the duration, but the point still stands.

>>47590991
Okay, here's the expanded point:
As far as I understand, the implicit meaning is to allow the poison to affect the target at some point after the first save if it is successful.
As is, the wording doesn't allow that and it's an all or nothing where either the target fails the first save and gets an hour of literally nothing or target succeeds on the first save and literally nothing happens.

>>47591006
From what I can see, the later saves are to swap your stats back to where they go.

>>47590991
It sounds like you could use this thing right before a retraining...
Max out some easier stats, like stacking up strength through rage and mutagens, and INT it before your barbarian becomes wizard...

I'm having oodles of good times with my Hexcrafter magus so far. Thoughts on using Improved Familiar (we just hit 7) for a fey dragon (actually within theme, there's a sort of winter/fey thing going on with my character) as a wand-carrier, just for the sweet action efficiency? Obviously I'm interested in getting wands of buffs up to level 3 or so (your shield, haste, etcs), but anything else of particular note worth as a wand?

>>47591033
Then that's just literally terrible.
It provides no meaningful effects in most cases, at a price of 4000gp and a low DC at that.

>>47590910

Trait to ignore 1 LA is "Magical Lineage" which reduces the spell level cost by 1 when applying metamagic to a specific spell. This allows you to apply solid shadows to the shades spell.

Arcanist Fetchling FCB refers to the arcanist favored class bonus for fetchlings from Blood of Shadows (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-fetchling). It grants +2% realness (to a max of 100%) to illusion (shadow) spells.

Of course you're not going to be able to get into 120% real illusions until high level shit, that's why it's next level rules abuse. At 8th level the best you're going to get is a fetchling arcanist that can cast shadow conjuration with 56% reality.

>>47590282
>Winter Iron- A blue-grey metal that drives heat away from it. As a result, it is always cold, and is frequently used in containers meant to hold food. Users should take care not to lick any object made of Frost Iron, as their tongues will stick to it.

So, is it Frost Iron or Winter Iron?

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>>47591119
Thank you kind anon.
Since you're so knowledgeable, do you happen to know if there are any other good feats (metamagic included) for an illusionist?

My next character is gonna be one, but i never played a caster before, and i'm still unsure if i'm gonna be a shadow master or a Major Image-er.
So far i saw Persistent Spell which looked nice, but i'm lost after that.
Art in return.

>>47591209
Persistent Spell, Greater Spell Focus (Illusion), Effortless Trickery
Aka the holy trinity of illusioning bullshit.

>>47590282
Morphing is a direct downgrade from Major Metamorphosis described in one of the recent Paizo books (not sure which), which gives more at a flat +15000 instead of +3.

Any feat that allows me to change my Initiator Modifier?

>>47591580
Martial Training (sorta)

>>47591580
No. They also said there never will be, iirc.

Ask your DM about it. Most reasonable DMs will be fine with a swap.

>>47591593
Swapping from CHA to INT or WIS is a direct buff, though. Many might not be okay with that.

>>47591588
I'm getting the Maneuvers using that.
>>47591603
I see, thanks.

>>47591603
Yeah, fair. That is exactly why there shouldn't be a feat for it, imo.

>>47591631
I usually allow switching FROM INT or WIS to CHA, though, since it's a direct downgrade instead.

>>47586554
It's a boss enemy. You pretty much STRICTLY do not use it against a party of equal level to its CR. It goes up against like level 12 characters (it's CR 16 right?).

>>47591141
>Goes to look up the material.
>Pleased to find elemental and alignment variants.
Will we see a Law/Chaos versions?
Also those descriptions are really flavorful. Who is the woman mentioned in Abyssium?

>>47591976
>Also those descriptions are really flavorful.
Agreed, I loved them.

Is there any equivalent of Rods for Psionics? Will there ever be one?

>>47590282

Pointed this out to Elric a bit ago but don't know if anything's been done about it: Mithral counts as silver for overcoming DR but not for targeting silver vulnerability (you can see this when comparing its description to celestial mithral). Even with a power charm of quicksilver, Mithral Current soulknives are still out of luck.
Maybe just add 'these also count as silver for targeting vulnerability to silver'?

Also, there are two times in the doc mithral is spelled mithril.

>>47591625
>I'm getting the Maneuvers using that.

Oh, then there's actually an obscure trick that makes it possible, as long as you don't want your initiation modifier to be CON.

Basically choose a discipline that gives you the initiation modifier you want (Fool's Errand for STR, Scarlet Throne for WIS, Elemental Flux for INT, etc).
This sets your initiation modifier from the feat.
Then use a martial tradition to switch out the discipline you have access to to the one you want. This does not change your initiation modifier.

It doesn't let you do stuff like get INT to climb or CHA to sense motive for skill checks, but it does everything else.

All you have to do to negate ferocity or die hard is deal 1 point of nonlethal damage. Bam, they fall unconscious.

Is there something I'm missing?

new thread when?

>>47592407
Nope, you're right. It requires you to split your damage.

>>47592152
No, and while I'm not DSP, probably not.

Those rods are one of the things that make casters so dangerous after all.

>>47591959
I'm pretty sure that 4 normal level 12s can't make those saves and could barely hit him at all. Bosses should be tough, not unwinnable.

>>47593083
CR=APL+4 is what you usually go with if you have only one fight per day and you want it to be challenging at that.

>>47592252
...That can work.

How can I get Charisma with Silver Crane using this method?

>>47593295
You'd need to go for Lion, Tortoise, Seraph, or Guardian.

>>47593348
And the Tradition?

>>47593362
Empyreal Guardians, from PoW 1.

>>47593348
>>47593362
Just checked it.

Martial Training (Golden Lion) with Empyreal Guardian Tradition.

MANY thanks.