Warhammer 40k General

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Let's start this thread off with some updated Bingo.

This time the Free Squares are BUSTY ROUGH RIDERS, and TAU HATE.

>>47577676
Indrick Boreale would have come to attack the Tau sooner or later
Just because they. were. there.

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>>47577693
let's just get it out of the way early.

new sisters fucking when?

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>>47577676
>centaur rough riders
WHY DOES GEEDUBS HATE GOOD IDEAS

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>>47577741

>Dick Status:

muh

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Repostan:

Friend and I have been doing 1,5k points and we're wanting to slow down a bit so we can play multiple games a day instead of just one, so we're halving it to 750 points.

Is there any basic guide on important units for a list that small?

We're doing one game with Flyers and one game without Flyers.

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>>47577753
>>47577741

>>47577723
When Riptides get buffed. Priorities, anon. They're an icon of the setting and deserve support.

So does this assault on black reach rerelease for kiddie hobby starter sets thing have a street name yet?

Poppa needs him some Dreadnoughts that actually come with a fucking multimelta in the box

>>47577693
Who the hell is matt?

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>>47577771

but sister think of the logistics!

>>47577792
He's a merman from Canada who plays taucrons.

>>47577676
Johnny is the worst meme on this board.

>>47577741
>>47577753
It's called Horus Heresy 5: Imperial Cults and Militia

The option you're looking for is in the form of Abhuman Helots, so your entire army is Abhumans. Second choice of Providences is for personal flavor. Warrior Elite or Ferals, and model your centaurs as plate armoured warriors. Survivors of the Dark Age for futuristic centaurs in carapace armour with non-shitty weapons.

Just model your abhumans as Centaurs. Larger bases optional, but recommended.

>>47577805
> lamia abhumans SOB
muh dick

>>47577676
Wait, GW added rough riders back into the game?

>>47577813
Oh, the one from MWG, right?

>>47577833
I don't remember them ever leaving.

>>47577805
Actually, I can immediately think of a way to model this. Just buy the Snake Demon mini from Reaper Bones, and chop the entire torso off, then add Guard or Sisters torsos to it. Cheap Lamia Abhumans for only an extra 2$ a model.

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HATE TAU

>>47577846
>wasting a metal SOB torso on fapbait

I might be a thrice damned traitor but even I find that offensive.

>>47577758
Focus mostly on your Troops if you want to have a well balanced, casual game. Give your troops lots of toys and stocked transports, and fill out all of your slots.

Fuck all of this nonsense about unbound and formations, just do a CAD with 6 troop slots used up, before you ever spend anything on support.

>>47577934
> Not approving wholly of monstergirl guard regiments
> Forgetting that there's lots of third party sellers for plastic SOB.

>>47577836
They aren't in 6th edition Astra Militarium

>>47577957
6 troops at 750 is a bit much

>>47577970
you make a good point, wanna lead my next black crusade?

>>47578012
Already on it. My first paycheck from the new job will go to making Monstergirls in Power Armour. I'll have 6 squads of 20 grenadiers forming the basis of my army. One squad will be felinids, one squad of lamias, and one squad of centaurs.

I have no idea what to do the future ones as..

>>47577970
apart from the RH and grishnak ones, who's selling decent SoB models?

>>47577978
You want to put money on that?

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>>47578012
you make a good point, wanna lead my next black crusade?
Chaos has really been lowering the standard on what it takes to command legions lately

>>47577676
So we are just going to keep making new generals earlier and earlier so we can force the OP images AGAIN! No matter if people are discussing or waiting for advice. Jesus christ at least wait for 400, people can find you on the 9th page just fine. Who doesn't use the catalog?

>>47578053
yeah but it's all a bit of 'armless fun

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>>47577805
Looks like filename was right.

>>47578111
> Tasteless 3d model porn
This is the definition of faggotry, beyond even that of the tau.

>>47578044
You're right my memory was completely off. Maybe I thought that since they stopped selling them they no longer existed. Either way it doesn't change anything.

>>47578130
Are you kidding, with a tongue like that, it looks like she can taste a few different things, all at once likely.

>>47578149
It's still shit. All 3d model porn is shit and uninspired.

>>47578149
Ba-dum-tish!

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>>47578111
>>47578130
>>47578149

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The beeeest part of waking up, is sisters in your cuuuup.

I'm leaving for my first game soon /tg/. I'm sort of nervous. I'll try and take pictures for you guys, but it might be weird for the new guy to do something like that so idk.

>>47578315
If any of your army is unpainted, expect an unholy amount of retribution from /tg/ even though your opponent is probably 100% fine with it. That said, go for it, it'll bring some on-topic quality back to this general.

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>>47578315
just have fun. there's a lot of rules to remember, tactics, models and etc so just enjoy the moment

>>47578345
The army I'll be using for 850 points is 95% painted. Just one of the bases isn't done and some weapons aren't finished.

>>47578368
Absolutely disgusting. What kind of army are you playing, might I ask?

>>47578345
>>47578368
Please say Monstergirl Guard regiment.

Today I went to GW for the first time in years with my SoB.
Expecting to get absolutely assmangled, I built a list I thought was decent for 1650 (told that was their standard points). Went with MSU sisters, 3 dominions, 2 exorcists, 3 Pen Engines.
However; I played some space wolf guy, and all he brought was like 100 marines, footslogging.
Am I an asshole? I tabled him super early. Is this what I should expect at a GW?

>>47578384
Gk

>>47578457
Sisters are actually quite strong when played correctly.
Also, 1650? Never heard of it.

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>>47578111
>that filename

>>47578457
Sisters are really great when you just use them as Discount Space Marines. Just stay out of melee and spam the everloving shit out of AP3/2.

Also, 1650 is something I've never heard of either. Where the fuck do you live that people use that points level?

>>47578457
Nearly tabled my Iron Hands opponent yesterday with SoB at 1850 points. Although with 20-something Meltas against three Land Raiders probably isn't that impressive.

>>47578518
>>47578498
I thought it was weird too, but whatever. Stops people bringing lists they saw online I guess.
Should I really expect people to be that bad at the game though? I used to homeschool a group of 11 year olds and even they made army lists that were better than his.

>>47578518
>spam the everloving shit out of AP3/2.
I don't think Sisters get any AP2 or AP3 at all. Combi-plas, I guess?

>>47578548
100-marine lists CAN be good, but you really need to know what the fuck you're doing. It's practically mandatory that all of them have special weapons, such as Lascannons and Plasma Cannons.

A gladius makes them better too, since free rhinos and razorbacks adds another layer that your enemy needs to peel through in order to get to the meat of the army.

I've also played against a 100-man space wolf list as my Raptors. Not a single one of his assaulty marines ever got to melee, as they were all shot to death by rending bolters, plasma guns, plasma cannons, and lascannons before they even got halfway across the table.

>>47578577
they only have melta, bolter, flamer options

>>47578457
well done morley bro?

>>47578548
I can run CSM mobs and win, especially with the new formations. Woofs would have an easier time, but he still fucked it up.
Not everyone is general patton.

>>47578577
>I don't think Sisters get any AP2 or AP3 at all
Are you fucking kidding me? This guy gets the retard of the week award

>>47578548
>Likley chance
Hes fucking around
>Moderate chance
He was testing/trying something and thought itd be easy to do against an new player (to this edition at least)
>Rare chance
Hes fucking retarded

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http://openthekrate.com/

This fucking thing still isn't open. It's been nearly 3 weeks since warhammer fest as well!

>>47578457
Bringing nothing but footslogging tacticals is retarded for anyone, especially Space Wolves. Unless he had some Long Fangs/Blood Claws in there, but Blood Claws still need transports.

>>47578208
>Implying 3D model girls aren't the best girls

Inventive Necron Strategies I am trying out:

Squad of three sentry pylons with Obyrn or a cryptek with veil of darkness. Turn 1 deep strike your str 10 ap 1 multishot artillery into range and nuke field. Can take both of the teleporting options in big games and attack with two sets of arty.

Living Tomb formation with several squads of scythe lychguard on the field. Drop monoliths midfield, enemy has to decided between being destroyed in melee or trying to stop more of your army from gating in. Basically shores up the weakness of both lychguard and monoliths.

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>>47578040
>Felinids
But anon, their planet is under quarantine!

>>47578683
not him, pal!
>>47578739
it was his standard army list he said, has been using it for a while
>>47578780
there was some blood claws I think? 2 attack base ones. He had a rune priest in one of the squads but penitent engines charged it and splatted him

Looking for advice on a Hellforged Hunting Pack list. 2000 pts, I'm missing 45 points. Allies are a possibility, but I don't know what to re arrange tofit them in. Current list:
Brass Scorpion (700)

2x Blood Slaughterer with Impalers (135 ea)

Forgefiend with Hades Autocannons, additional Ectoplasma cannon (205)

Heldrake with baleflamer 170

2x Maulerfiend with Lasher Tendrils 140 ea

2x Soul Grinder with Phlegm 165 ea

Total 1955. I have KDK and CSM I could ally with them, but I can't fit them in atm.

>>47578908
> felinids under quarantine
> Implying they aren't a highly desired companion race for inquisitors and rogue traders
> Implying anyone in high standing wouldn't want to buy an adorable catgirl to sit in their lap and be adorable.

Also, come to think of it. I could probably just use the Centaurs as Heavy Weapon teams. Forgeworld's Mars Pattern bolters have extra long ammo belts. I could totally have centaurs lugging these around as a one girl heavy weapon team.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Mars-Pattern-Heavy-Bolters-Set

If you like pina collatas...

I want to make a jimmy buffet themed ork list.

I want to give all the orks Hawaiian shirts and tie-dies, have them all wearing swim trunks and sipping on pina collatas and margaritas.

>>47579016
doesn't really fit in with the dead cyborg babies aesthetic.

>>47579028
good luck

>>47577676
>BUSTY ABHUMAN CENTAUR ROUGH RIDERS

?

>>47579016
I totally would buy one. Or be one.

>>47578687
>Are you fucking kidding me? This guy gets the retard of the week award
What? They get AP1 and AP4-6. Apart from Combi-Plasmas on your Sisters Superior and a Plasma Pistol on your Canoness, there's no AP2 in the entire army.

can you're list handle two land raider redeemers?

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>>47579058
Like pic related, but as Imperial Guard.

I didnt get a critic last thread. Please respond
>1850
>HQ
Mega armoured warboss, lukky stick attack squig warlord
Ml2 weird boy
>Elite
12 tankbustas in trukk with reinforced ram and 3 bomb squids
>Troops
18 shoota boys with nob bs pk (in battlewagon)
19 shoota boys with nob bs pk (in battlewagon)
12 eavy armour choppa Boyz in trukk with rr + nob big choppas bp
12 eavy armour choppa Boyz in trukk with rr + nob big choppas bp
10 Gretchen
>Fast attack
Dakkajet with extra super shoota and flyboss
Dakkajet with extra super shoota and flyboss
3 warbuggies with tl rokkits (out flanking)
>Heavy support
Battlewagon with rr, 2 rokkits
Battlewagon with rr, big shoota (wysiwyg)
Looted wagon, kill canon, big shoota
Always play maelstrom.
Mech guard, cheese eldar, blob guard, tau and ultramarines are what I usually fight. Thoughts?
It's my normal 1500 list that works well but with the 2 choppa boy trukks added on.

>>47579209
How dare you put my Waifu on a Mongolian throat singing board!

>>47579209
Hmm... I see.

I've heard that there was pics of someone who actually did something like that, but I can't find any.

>>47579096
Eviscerators and dreadnought CCW are ap2

>>47579237
> Mongolian throat singing board
Wut?

>>47579268
It was quite awhile ago. And I don't have the pictures of it anymore. Pretty soon I'm going to make my own attempt at BUSTY.

>>47579303
Oh, good point. I'd forgotten because of how garbage both of those units are.

I can't really get a read on dark eldar. Are they OP? Do they need nerfed?

>>47579228
>I didnt get a critic last thread
Sometimes that means there's nothing to say

Should deff dreads or killa kans be elite choices?

>>47579349
You might be brain-damaged, I'd go in for an MRI if I were you.

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>>47579349

>>47579364
Neither are very elite, but yeah it would make more sense for them being elites rather than everything being clumped up in the HS slot.

>>47579096
Exorcist missiles are AP3. They also have AP2-3 power weapons if that counts.

>>47579228
'eavy armor is kind of a point sink.

You might want to split this into two CAD's, as this will give you more options.

>>47579372
>>47579383
so are they crap? do they need a buff?

>>47579465
dELDAR are shit right now. They're glass cannons that rely on mobility to survive, but instantly lose all of their killing power the moment they move and get shot at. Also, AV10 2hp open-topped vehicles all across the board.

>>47579465
they're kinda fucked because open topped is a major disadvantaged right now with vehicle damage and the FAQ about jinking.

The covenant rules work okay, but the main armies 'use mobility to make up for fragility' doesn't work because they aren't actually as mobile, and what they have doesn't make up for their fragility.

A good special detachment could do a lot to help them, but right now they fall apart too easily.

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>listening to mongolian throat singing
>capture says, "Select Mountains"

>>47579423
they're ap1

>>47579465
They need a different edition. So many core rules screw over how they're meant to work.

>>47579228
why no burnas?

>>47579314
its a meme brah.

40 Necron Warriors
10 Immortal
8 Lychguard
3 Tomb Blades
2 Overlords
Orikan
Obyron
2 Doom/Night Scythe
2 Ghost Ark
2 Annihilation Barges
2 Monolith
1 Doom Ark
1 old Metal Lord

All assembled and primed silver.
Makes painting the arks a bitch.

Worth $500?

Also has codex.

Currently I have the start collecting box.

Out of all the available/current Chapter Tactics, which ones would you use for the Traitor Legions and Warbands?

>>47579616
Executioners. All of your Sergeants can now ID people in challenges, so go pretend you're all chaos champions.

Aside from only being able to assault one thing at a time, why is green tide bad?

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>>47579616
Carcharodons

>>47579616
Carcharodons- World Eaters.

Imperial Fists or Iron Hands- Iron Warriors. Not too sure about this one, leaning towards Iron Hands.

Those are just off the top of my head, can't remember the other chapter tactics right now, and I don't know too much about the other Warbands/Traitors.

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>>47579580
I think you did quite well, anon.

>>47579667
You can multi-assault anon, its a disorganized charge but your green tide could, in perfect scenario, assault the entire army in one phase.

>>47579667
and only score one objective at a time
and, at the end of it, is still just ork boys

>>47579711
That is a good point. I mean strictly speaking, 10 units of boyz allows 300 of them, so it's not farfetched to have the mass cover the board and pushing the enemy to the table edge.

>>47579698
Yeah I added it up on the site too but idk how pricing usually goes for already assembled armies.
If I do buy it I won't be getting new models anytime soon but I would have a huge army that I can try to paint.

>>47579752
But that's just the problem. A good player can deploy at his table edge, and move 5/6" back to keep the orks out of range for 4 turns straight. Even longer as he keeps killing models, until your horde falls apart.

>>47579755
Do it, anon. If you bought all this from an LGS that gives you discounts, and the max I've ever seen is 30%, that's still almost #$600. Sure, some of the painting will be harder, but you've spared yourself the hell of building Necron stuff.

Ok 40k General. GW has put you in charge of the next supplements for your favorite faction. Your job is to make it so that it can both fox your faction, but do so in a fluffy way. Like legion tactics and formations for CSM, or something similar. What faction is the supplement for and how does it fix ir make better said faction in a fluffly way? The more detailed description, the better

So what are some problem units for Dark Eldar? I just went over their troop choices and they seem solid.

You should really split your ork list into two CADs, then you can put your buggies in MSU formation.

>>47579846
fragile for their cost, lack of real useful firepower

>>47579838
>Codex Supplement: Tau Empire - Xenos Allies

Pretty self explanatory. Features lots of other types of Xenos with tiny formations to help make a less mech-oriented Tau Army. Possibly some Water Caste representatives, too?

>Codex Supplement: Dark Eldar - Kabals and Cults of the Dark City

Features "chapter tactics" for specific Kabals and Wych Cults and formations with bonuses for mixing and matching them according to fluff.

>>47579891
>lack of real useful firepower.
Going to disagree there.
The basic troops are rather limited, but that's true of most basic troops.

trueborn, scourges, reavers all get good weapons. The incubus weapon is just fine, they just need grenades or a rule that works like grenades. The vehicles all have decent guns.

Overpriced, and limited ability to make up for their fragility, that I will give you.

>>47578053
I was looking at Horus' rules the other day, and something occurred to me: Abbadon is shit at the Talon of Horus. He's had it for 10,000 years and he still can't use it properly.

>>47579799
Honestly, sounds like half the painting is done already if they're primed silver.

>>47579993
True. Which makes it even more of a value unless he wants to paint a non-silver Dynasty.

>>47579838
Old Cron supplement.

Large faction of Necrons who still worship the C'tans and are putting the shards back together. Their sworn enemies are the Silent King, Eldar and Orks.

No bugs, no little bony skimmers. Their monoliths are immune to melta and lance effects and replace their current guns with the Doomsday Arks gun (but cost 300 pts).

Necron Lords are no longer HQs but come with warrior and immortal squads, which are now max sized ten larger each.

Heavy weapon teams with tesla destructors as foot weapons.

>>47579838
Update of Iyanden supliment.

Go back to old Distort rules, and make the Wraithknight cost 400pts. These now become the official rules for those units because it's the most recent rules for them.

Wraithlord gets an option paying 20pts to become jump monsterous creature, but then can't take any heavy guns.
Formation of Avatar and Wraithblades and jump lord. Avatar can join the unit of Wraithblades, and wraithblades within the avatars aura get fleet as well.

Formation of Hemlocks, that gives a base 5+ cover save and rerolls on their spirit stones.

>>47579906
>Water Caste representatives
>tfw fielding an army of WOLOLO and having the enemy fight itself
Sounds awesome

>>47580113
Exactly. Or have them provide Ethereal-like minibuffs that "encourage" the Xeno allies to perform well.

>>47580033
As long as all that comes with the old phase out rule, that sounds sweet.

>>47579838
Codex and index Astartes supplement.

First half is written like the codex Astartes, mainly to outline the tactics and such the marines use, as well as present different "tactica" which are psuedo-formations (the good kind with lots of options, so more like the cron or marine formations, not the ork kind), however they involve both the way you deploy and how you play as well as the units you take, but gives you bonuses for that.

Like a steel rain tactica. It has normal unit requiments, but also requires you to hold half your forces in deep strike, but gives bonuses for that.

The index Astartes would be like the angels of death supplements, but for famous chapters that aren't first founding, like black templars, crimson fists, blood ravens etc. as well as first founding that don't have much support, like the dark and blood Angels and the space wolves.
It would also give different ways for creating and fleshing out custom chapters and their tactics and such.

>>47580140
I can dig it. anything that isn't suitspam I'm all for.

>Tau Empire: The Bold and the Brave/Kauyon (couldn't come up with a better name)
All foot infantry, and drones. Expanded drone section too. The only suit available is the stealthsuit. The codex focuses on altering the battlefield, sneaky tactics, planting boobytraps and IEDs and essentially battlefield control and sabotaging enemy wargear like disabling jumppacks temporarily or causing them to roll d6 to move instead of a defined 6" range. Drones that affect the environment/current cover, or even create cover.

Wargear section is rife with stealthy or sniper-y doohickeys for optimum sneakan.

>>47579268

Yeah, I bought imperial knight renegade, started that project with a ton of magnetising/custom work, then got completely sidetracked onto an Anvil Strike Force with dreads and tank squads, sorry.

I have all the parts for Project Busty, but have been severely neglecting it.

>>47580085
I'd go even further. Make the supplement the angels of death equivalent for the major craftworlds.

>>47580229
I'd be in.
Sam hains core requires them to take multiple Vypers, but give the vypers an actual good upgrade. Also jetbikes are back to 1 special weapon per 3, this is not the most recent rule, therefor official.

Ulthwe core makes you take warlocks with all your guardian squads, but gives them some bonus.

Biel-Tan core is dire avengers and autarch, with bonus. A few extra things like dire avenger shrine but for other aspects.

Alaitoc: formations and detachments that reward taking lots of rangers.

Anyone hear anything about the new Battle for Vedros set coming out in Europe? I wanna put the Orkz I bought to good use.

>>47580409
Nope. But apparently GW may start selling forge world stuff in their stores, so theres that.

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>>47577693
so I have been stuck in /pol/ for the last 3 months what was that thing about busty rough riders?

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>>47579990
Tzeentch, the Talon has been degraded over the years through use and living in the Eye, and it's too big for Abby's hand to fit in it. He has to keep it from slipping off. One guy has made a suggestion.

>>47580451
Refer to the following:
>>47577741
>>47577753
>>47577820
>>47579209

>>47580497
I think he uses it pretty well for a guy with no arms

>>47580503
oh ok, so some fan wankery. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss games-workshop going full retard.

>>47577791
Battle for vedros.
Gw's only selling it to independent retailers, so good luck finding it Get your LGS to stock it?

>>47580533
You didn't notice that those are Horus's arms on Abby? An Anon made that edit after I said that maybe Lord Topknot could have ripped one of Horus's arms off, and grafted it to himself to get better at using the Talon.

>checking through some youtube batraps to listen to while i paint
>brexit video
>40k channel
excuse me?

>>47580555
>Adding busty centaur chicks to the canon
>full retard

Nigga that would save 40k

better fluff than the wulfen at least

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>>47580575
It's a pretty big deal over there.
Especially since the EU is becoming more and more controlling, passing stuff like pic related.

I'm assuming your talking about striking scorpion.
While I haven't watched the video yet, what suprises you about a brit talking about perhaps one of the most important political events that has occurred in this century for britian?
It's some what like if, say, texas, was voting to leave the union. Not a perfect comparison, but it goves you somewhat of an idea.

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I've always wanted to know why are the shining spears the only path that doesn't have a Pheonix Lord?
Can we make one already!?

>>47580595
They already added Catgirls:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Felinid

And besides, 40k is already huge enough of a setting, and with room for fans to add on shit, that who is to say there ISN'T already busty centaur chicks running around and shooting heretics with lasguns?

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>>47580631

A fancy looking Eldar on his Jetbike, wew lad, sounds super exciting

>>47580631
>Warp spiders
>Crimson Hunters
It would be neat though

>>47580631
in fluff the phoenix lord for them disappeared into the warp.

Also
>only path
Warp Spiders
Crimson Hunters

>>47580660
O shit forgot warp spiders, I want to see their pheonix lord too.

Don't know what crimson hunters are must be out of the loop now.

>>47580678
Yeah, my mistake

>>47580631

They have one in fluff: Drastanta - The Tempest of Starlight. I yearn for the day PLs get a big forgeworld release with updated rules and models. Sick of PLs having dwarven ass models from the 80s and a worse statline than a generic succubus.

>>47580556

Shit, meant street date.

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>>47580777
I was really tempted to try making an medieval european themed eldar army with a predominance of shining spears converted to have the jetbikes with heraldic barding on them but money, and lack of it got in the way of my dream.
Also, directed to
>>47580660
>>47580678
That's why in my excitement I forgot to mention warp spiders and those other things.
>pic unrelated

>>47579228
drop the armour for a voidshield generator.

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Are there any 40k books that are kind of just slice of life?

>>47580894
All of them are

>>47580917
Kek. I mean something about a non soldier. Maybe life in a hive city or something.

>>47580942
Love and Krieg.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Love_and_Krieg

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>>47580630
Yeah I am British, I know about Brexit. What I'm confused about is how he thought it was at all relevant to his channel and what place it has on a 40k gaming channel, it just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I also watched the video and it reeks of scaremongering and I say this as someone that is still on the fence. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.

>>47580942
The last church.

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What does /tg/ think of these guys?

>>47579838
Oooooh boy do I have some ideas.

>Thousand Sons CSM Supplement

- psykers with MoT must take half their powers rounded down from lore of Tzeentch

- un-shittify lore of Tzeentch so that taking spells from it is actually useful, make it a mind bullet & support-type lore

- Tzeentch primaris power is a 2-shot ap3 autocannon with 24" range, giving sorcerors something useful to do always

- sorcerors can also take spells from Malefic, Pyromancy, Biomancy, or Telepathy, and always know the primaris of lores they take spells from (this means that a ML 3 1k Sons sorcerer lord knows 5 spells, 1 Tz + Tz primaris, 2 other + other primaris

- MoT mandatory, provides Tz primaris power for free, +1 to invulnerable, reroll all ones always

- units of rubric marines and rubric terminators are led by aspiring sorcerors, who are ML2, cultists can buy them as a sergeant upgrade

- aspiring sorcerors leading units of rubrics can choose to exchange up to half of their known spells for spells from the lore of the rubric, which is a lore that exclusively buffs units of rubrics and could provide stuff like relentless, ignores cover, boosted invulnerable save, etc.


>HQs:

Ahriman

1k Sons sorcerer lords
- ML3 always
- taking terminator armor allows them to make one unit of rubric terminators troops


>Elites:

Rubric Terminators
- minimum squad size 4 models, 1 is an aspiring sorceror in terminator armor

Chosen
- brotherhood of psykers, every 2 sorcerors generate one warp die/mastery level, the unit caps at ML3
- unit size caps at 9
- can only take spells from MoT but each sorceror allows for an additional roll on the table


>Troops

Rubrics
- basically unchanged, slight points reduction
- mandatory 2 troops from the CAD MUST be rubric marines

Cultists
- stats/price unchanged
- unit champion can be upgraded to aspiring sorceror for however many points brings their cost to 80
- sorceror can sacrifice a cultist to reroll a failed psychic die in the psychic phase

>>47581218
They come up all the time if Ad Mech wants SM buddies and are probably talked about more than Iron Hands.

So what do Rogue Traders do?

>>47581288
Stuff

>>47581288
99% of them are undercover inquisitors. The rest trade stuff.

>>47581288
They do a variety of things. Here's an example of what a rogue trader is expected to do.

> Buy catgirls to serve as household pets
> Sell catgirls to distant planets that are lacking in catgirls
> Create a burgeoning catgirl-trading empire in the ass-end of the universe, making trillions of thrones in the process
> using said trillions of thrones to create a dynasty of catgirl-trading assholes that lives until the end of time on gold-leafed bread personally inscribed by the left pinkie toe of saints.

What's your opinion on allying Knights with xeno armies?
Not like Orks or Tyranids because that's stupid but would you fight an army that allies a knight with Dark Eldar?

>>47581288
Provide free-range, organic catgirls to the Imperial citizens that desire them over the common synthetic catgirls produced on your average hive world.

>>47581226
As a TS player, I like this a lot. Sorcs needs some love, It's only now with the Cyclopia Cabal that I can actually run some Sorcs that don't suck shit and I have to keep them unaligned for them to be decent. and they still cost 500~ points for 5 dudes..

>>47581350
Ive faced DE with a Wraith Knight ally if thats what you mean.

Allying in an imperial knight would be dumb as shit.

>>47581218
Honestly their backstory makes sense, and I wish they had more background. I mean their main two battles that they talked about are epic - defending their first homeworld against 'nids, getting kicked off their planet, then doing it again more successfully is great and all but I want to hear about how different companies have defended those holdings the Admech deemed important enough for Astartes support.

That and their chapter organization must be very different from more orthodox Chapters when it comes to ranks and rituals.

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Don't ever give up, my son.

>>47581299
>>47581320
>>47581348
>>47581428
So rogue traders can take a cat girl as a wife and have half cat girl kids?

>>47581535
TINY
HEAD

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GENTLEMEN!

How do we integrate the ork dredd mob formation into a 2k list that could win a local tournament of 12 to 20 players or so?

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>>47581559
The rogue trader might just BE the catgirl, or take an eldar as his/her waifu. Rogue traders do whatever the fuck they want, they literally have a document signed by the God Emperor Himself saying that they can do whatever the fuck they want. Some rogue traders are even so rich that they could have an entire ship following them around, that's dedicated solely to his harem of hundreds of thousands of catgirls.

Pic extremely related.

>>47581535
Don't ever give, up my son!

Quick make cheesy AdMech flavored jokes.

>>47579838
Black Legion

>Black Crusade Detachment (1+ Core, 1-2 Command per Core, 1-5 Auxiliary per Core)

Restrictions- All models must take the Veterans of the Long War upgrade if possible.

Command Benefits
Favoured of the Warmaster- When a model from this detachment earns a roll on the Chaos Boon table as a result of the Champion of Chaos special rule, roll twice on the table and choose either one or both of the results.

Spoils of Treachery- When a Character from this detachment purchases an optional upgrade, they may receive a second upgrade of equal or lesser cost for free. A single Character may only ever receive one free piece of wargear as a result of this rule.

>Black Legion Warband (Core)
1 Chaos Lord, 0-1 Sorcerer, 2-6 units of Chaos Space Marines or Chosen (in any combination), 1-3 units of Chaos Terminators or Possessed (in any combination), 1-3 units of Raptors OR Warp Talons OR Bikers (in any combination), 1-3 units of Havocs OR Helbrutes (in any combination)

Thirsty for Glory- If an enemy unit is completely destroyed by a unit from a Black Legion Warband, all other units from the same Black Legion Warband can re-roll To Hit and To Wound rolls of 1 until the end of the phase.

Mercenary Devotion- Up to four units in this formation may take a free Mark of Chaos. Each Mark may only be chosen once.

>>47581350

It works with Chaos Knights and Orks given they're allies of Convenience.

>>47581618
The right honourable inquisitor Annabel Sia of the ordo machinum is inspecting a forgeworld after a recent report of faulty technical equipment. Followed by a techpriest she nears completion of the inspection whereupon the couple are assaulted by some sneaky gretchin! before they could even ready weapons one of the grots trips up on a loose wire, sending sparks flying everywhere which fry the rest of the horde.

The techpriest turns to the inquisitor and says "Praise the Ohms, Ms Sia".

>>47581786
That got a good laugh out of me.

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Would you want to live as part of your faction? And it'll be as a random mook, not a leader or something fancy.

>>47582054
>Tyranids
I would, technically, BE the Hivemind.

>>47582054
Could I be a Rogue Trader's mook?

>>47582054
As long as I'm a random mook that's retired on Au'taal or a random mook doing mook stuff in Commorragh.

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>>47582054
Raptors? Hell yea, I'd get to be a Operator Beeki. I'd be operating operationally with Big Boss himself.

>>47582109
>random mook doing mook stuff in Commorragh.

Commorragh is always terrible.

>>47582087
No, you'd be an animal that's being directed by a hivemind. The Hivemind is all the Norn Queens.

>>47579838
Black Templar Crusade detachment

Command [Marshall's Household]

1 Captain/Helbrecht
2-3 Units in any combination of Stern/Vanguard, Terminators
0-3 Dreadnoughts

All units must deploy via Deep Strike
Special Rule Shock & Assault: After deployment and before the game begins you may fire 3 Orbital Bombardments, after the scatter and effects are resolved place a counter at the center of each blast, any Black Templar unit that deep strikes within 6'' of it do not scatter.

Command [Emperor's Champion]

Emperor's Champion
0-3 Honor Guard

The Emperor's Champion gains the old Vows that affect every BT unit and the enemy warlord must be kiledl , if not then you lose a VP.

Core [Fighting Company]

2-6 Crusader Squads/Assault Squads
2-4 Bikes/Attack Bikes/Land Speeders

All squads must have Veteran Sergeants/Sword Brethren
Second in Command: After deployment nominate one Veteran Sergeant/Sword Brethren, that model gains +1W/1WS/BS and as long as your warlord is alive he also gains its warlord trait.

Auxiliary [Defenders of the Faith]

3-5 Chaplains
0-5 Command Squads
0-1 Grimaldus

Zeal Incarnate: Chaplains/Grimaldus gain Battle Hymns, as long as there are at least 2 chaplains within 6'' of each other they auto-pass their Ld check.

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Oh hey, I just got BINGO. What do I win now?

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>>47581218
I'm actually new to the whole space marine thing I already have a favourite chapter. That being the salamanders but I have to ask why don't they get any love? Can you guys point me into the right direction to for being a newcomer?

>>47582130
It's like Shadowrun turned up to 11 with the 40k element. It's gotta be fun, totally!

>>47582138
what does

>ad mech

mean, in this context?

>>47582130
The hive mind is not a singular entity.

>>47582153
Literally any time anyone uses the phrase Ad Mech.

>>47582138
You get the chance to one day lick the sweat of a cow-tited Rogue Trader.

>>47582164
Why?

>>47582054
Imagine living as an enginseer on some administratum world.

>Techpriest bob! Help us the coffee machine is on the fritz again!

FFS guys its a coffee machine! It doesn't even have a machine spirit and barely a cogitator to its name! You can fix it yourself and you won't even be accused of tech-heresy!

>PLEASE! Mighty enginseer, we need you!

The fucking power cord's unplugged. You meatbags.

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>>47582054
>astra militarum

>>47582177
I don't really know, I'm not the original creator of the Bingo post.

>>47582184
>Coffee

Caffeine*

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>>47582054
It would be fun to be a digga with da orkz. That or I could try and play up my smarts and become an advisor for a nob and lead him to warbossdom through weird tactical suggestions like "hey maybe we should go up that hill and charge down it instead of making a direct assault?".

>>47582184
>>47582199

Recaff*

>>47582184
>It doesn't even have a machine spirit
How to lose your job (and frontal lobe) with one simple phrase!

>>47582206
I can't not hear that voice every time I see the word Digganobz.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29aGTbg62A

>>47581561
Zika

So who is Cypher and why does he wear the hood?

>>47582054
>Sisters of Battle

Yeah I'd go in for it.

>>47582290
Congratulations, you're now a bride of the Emperor. Or a celibate priest, surrounded by sexy SoB.

>>47582237
I'm pretty sure the Techpriests don't break out the incense and holy oils for every broken electronic and busted bicycle in the imperium. Most of the machine warship is probably reserved for things at least harder to understand than the modern tank and as complicated than a modern supercomputer.

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>>47582317
>Only you, the eternally celibate Father Avarius, can lead these scantily clad and incredibly frustrated Sisters Repentia to their redemption by glorious death in battle.

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>>47580777
I can imagine the Phoenix Lords could make some damn good, dynamic models if they'd just actually fucking update them. They do look very outdated when among the rest of the army. Eldrad could use an update too.

One day maybe. At the moment Irillyth is the best one we have.

>>47582324
The machine worship is for everyone that isnt a high ranking magos/fabricator general. Random engineseer/techpriest? You better break out the incense before doing the rite of bumping it or hide your practicality.

>>47582054
>CSM
make me a Khorne Berzerker and I'll be ready to go

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>>47582054
Yeah, I wouldn't mind being a Craftworld Eldar or maybe a corsair.

>>47582412
it looks like you smeared donut frosting all over that picture.

>>47582419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21geIuzTaU0

>>47582054
Well, if I did become a Necron Warrior, would I even notice it?

>>47579028
Fruit cake and
Cheeseburgers also...

>>47582492
cheeseburger in paradise?

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>>47581577
Please, space mecha dragon needs your help.

>>47582054
If I pick space marines, does random mook mean serf or battle-brother?

>>47582601
means scout marine

>>47582542
>Take all the dreads
>Hope that they're surprised enough to struggle
>Win?

>>47582643
What about SW m8? Their scouts are veterans. Does that mean I get chucked in with the claw boys? I'll be a skyclaw please :^)

Does anyone want to play over tabletop simulator?

I'm itching to play with my 1500 Genestealer list.

"Supplement: Thousand Sons" fucking when. My CSM have been shelved since 6th rolled around, would be nice to have some nice psychic toys to play with. Don't care for being competitive, I just want them to be genuinely fun.

>>47577676
Can I use regular space marine codex if I decide to paint and field my dangels from Dark Vengeance as a successor chapter or do successors have to use their parent chapter?

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>>47582189

>>47582893
You're sort of supposed to use the DA codex for DA successors but the regular marine codex works fine if you're not interested in any of the DW/RW specific stuff. Actually better in the case of the angels of absolution, as they canonically use sternguard which obviously cannot be used with the DA codex.

>>47582930
I just didn't want to get stuck with them if I end up not liking them, thanks. Friend and I are planning 500 point games, we're going half in to buy all the 7E codexes and we're going to use the minis as counts as til we figure out what we wanna play.
I'm actually really interested in the DAngels "plasma gun line" build (atleast that's what it seems like) but I didn't want to get stuck with 80 bucks worth of unused minis if I don't like Dangels

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>>47582054
tfw the Imperial Knights icon is two grinning orks about to kiss

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>>47583053

>>47582981
You two are going to buy ALL the codices?? Shit man just get them from the OP and save yourself a shitload of cash.

If you want to do the DA "greenwing" gunline you probably want to build yourself into a demi-company formation, it's the best way to make use of your tactical squads and the extra ballistic skill for overwatching can allow you to play pretty aggressively against assault focused armies. Plus if you do end up not liking DA then the units all translate over to vanilla space marine lists.

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I'm running out of shit to change. I feel like I made a well balanced rules update list. Unfortunately, a good comprimise leaves everybody unhappy, but hopefully we can get some support and see if we can't get people to compromise and start using it for casual games.

Unfortunately, a good compromise makes everybody unhappy. If I put it to a poll I don't think I'd get much support.

What do you guys think?

>>47583106
dammit, forgot link. (again)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/692325.page#8684254

>>47583106
curse my crap editing skills!

>>47576937
Thanks for having my back against the "Space Marines are mutants" meme, m8.

While I'm obviously a big fan of the "the stalwarts of humanity against tides of daemomic and alien evil are inherently inhuman" irony of Space Marines, it's silly to use the term "mutant" when it doesn't fit either in real life, nor in canon for what a mutant is

>>47583145
You can delete posts

>>47583238
human beings have this weird assumption that we are done evolving.

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>>47580942

necromunda had some short stories to that effect, there was also fleshworks which was about a cyborg who smuggled parts by attaching them, putting skin over it, and making dosh.

>>47583104
Seemed like the best way. The torrent is way out of date and the mega link doesn't even load on mobile

>>47583334
This is an example of guided evolution, rather than through mutation and natural selection.

Though one could also make the case that Space Marines are not an evolution because they do not pass on their traits.

Also drop trip.

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>>47583053

>>47583334
Well obviously I myself am perfect, and any derivation from the norm of myself must be purged from the galaxy

Regards, Inquisitor Shortsightedness
Ordo IdontknowhatImtalkingabout

>>47583382
>Though one could also make the case that Space Marines are not an evolution because they do not pass on their traits.

I guess it depends on what the Magos Biologis define as evolution in the 41st millenium, but by 21st century standards it's inherently separate for heritability, as you point out.

Personally I'd love someone whose very knowledgeable on physics, biology, chemistry, fiction and humour to take a leading role in 40k fluff writing, but for now, we have what we got, which isn't much of any of the aforementioned

>>47583382
> Space marines don't pass on their traits
Someone has obviously not read how space marines are created. They literally reproduce asexually, by stealing the children of their host organism, and implanting the genes of a dead space marine into the child. These heavily modify how the child develops, effectively turning them into more space marines.

it may not be reproduction as we humans understand it, but it essentially IS reproduction to space marines.

okay, added a poll.

Tell me where to stuff it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/692325.page#8684254

>>47583526
primarchs are not human.

>>47582601
means servitor

>>47582146
the fuck are you talking about nigga? Sallies dont need any love. Take flamers and meltas and shit, cram those motherfuckers in drop pods. Pop pop watch niggas drop.

seriously though, vulkan and drop pod combi melta sternguard is awesome. Multimelta razorbacks are cool as shit. Dont forget to give your sarges something worth master crafting.

Oh and the new flameblade strikeforce thing is pretty nasty. its in the angles of death book

>>47582146
Doesn't matter what your favorite chapter is, I asked for your opinion not for you to use it as an excuse to gush over your white-knights

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>>47583713
>angles of death

>>47583742
golly bill, why you such a sour cunt?

>>47583678
Put it under your toenail

>>47582286
One of 40K's best MacGuffins and I will die the day Black Library spoils it.

>>47583684
Of course not anon, they're post humans.

How much could the emprah bench? Primarchs?

>>47582114
No anon, you would be a chapter serf.

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>>47584242
He can bench the hopes and dreams of humanity.

>>47583911
you can deny it if you want, i'll just be back in 2 weeks.

>>47584316
> Bench Pressing 7000 pounds
What the fuck. A murheen could literally lift the ass of a leman russ up and flip it.

>>47584457
A leman russ is 60 tons.

Do you guys read 40k fanfiction? Is there any good ones out there?

>>47584500
>Do you guys read 40k fanfiction?
Sometimes.
>Is there any good ones out there?
Love can Bloom.

>>47584537
where can i find it.

I'm just kinda surprised people actually read fan fiction. I mean, I know somebody must, but it just catches me offgaurd is all.

Do you only read it for the keks?

500 points

Warlock with Singing Spear

Two sets of 3 Windriders with Scatterlasers

Wraithknight with dual Wraithcannons

Will I make any friends using this?

>>47584591
Yes.
You will be very popular in prison.

>>47584586
>where can i find it.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:Love_Can_Bloom

>Do you only read it for the keks?
Yeah, sometimes. I generally only read fanfics if I've been lead to them by someone or something else. I typically don't actively seek them out. I read the porn ones strictly in search for hearty keks.

>>47584500

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/3426606/1/Warhammer-40000-Ski-Lift-Revelations


https://m.fanfiction.net/s/4350930/1/space-ninjas

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/6619998/1/Psyco-Psyker

40k attracts the best writers. Check out the early work of the people who wrote Koyon and Montka

>>47584457
Not really, but he can rip a hole in it with his hands.

>>47584586
I'm very picky about mine, but sometimes you just want more than what the anime/book/comic/game/movie/etc offers, you know?

There are a few decent Dark Eldar ones I read, but the best one I ever found was a Halo one called Institution. It followed an elite from his people's trial that was sort of a passage to adulthood, his experience joining the Covenant and training to be a soldier and actual deployment to the battlefields of the galaxy.

It was over 100K words I believe and had about 15 chapters and it was superb. Characters evolved and grew, plot points from well back in the story came around again later to haunt the main character and it had a level of depth to it that most things don't even come close to in regards to regular life and the culture of the people that live it.

Not 40K I know, but as far as fanfiction goes it is one of the few I can highly recommend.

>>47579838
Sisters update.

-Tweak Acts of Faith to be somewhere between the old 4e version and how it works now - a few universal acts that everyone can use; with each unit getting one that's just for them. Add Acts of Faith to the vehicles, too, with effects based on their role (so, Rhino gets an act for a speed boost; Immolator gets a dif. buff depending on its weapon; Exorcist gets Twin Linked; Penitent Engine gets Crusader)

-some kind of dedicated anti-psyker unit. Tentatively call 'em the Witchbreakers; have them generate psychic dice, but only in the enemy psy phase for defense; give 'em Acts that grant them Psishock; and a HQ version that can AoF to Perils the nearest enemy psyker. (spoiler, they are psykers themselves)

-Buff the Canoness a bit. She damn well shouldn't have to pay extra for a good invuln save; and ought to have an option for Artificer Armor.

-Expanded armory and some price breaks. A power sword that's worth 15 points in the hands of a S4 T4 Space Marine isn't still worth 15 points in the hand of a S3 T3 Sister. Drop Power Weapons to 10 points (like in 4e; it seemed to work) Add Power Fists/Chainfists/Lightning Claws to the options. Let Seraphim Superiors have Wargear access again - I miss my express Eviscerator Delivery Service. Some more Relics wouldn't be amiss either - I miss the Brazier of Holy Fire; and the 2e 'Dex has some neat weapons that could be 'modernized.'

-Make the basic Sister 11 points again - they just aren't quite worth 12. Especially not in an edition where Space Marines are only 14.

-Give the Exorcist multiple firing modes - it's a pipe organ on teh back of a tank, different hymns for different effects. Tank Hunter hymn; Skyfire hymn; Shred hymn... And while we're at it, the damn thing fires Melta Missiles - the melta rule as written doesn't really make sense for a warhead rather than a beam, but perhaps on a 6 to-hit, the warhead lands just _so_ and you get the extra dice of AP.
(too long, continued below)

I'm just getting into 40k and the bases for my Dark Vengence marines are different then the ones in my tactical box I bought. WTF. Would tournament people bitch about marines on the small bases? the bigger ones make them look like babies.

>>47584744
No one cares about the bases, they only changed recently.

>>47584586
Here is some narrated, animated fanfic. https://youtu.be/pNS8Fadt7Uc

>>47584744
They changed the size for the sole purpose of fitting the models' feet on the base. Same with Necron.

So how do you get in with fan fiction cliques? Do you just sort of pick one at random?

If I just posted a random story on fanfiction.net would somebody read it?

>>47582054
Dark Angels chapter serf I guess? So I suppose I mostly have to do laundry duty for all of those tabards

>>47584708
Continued

-On the same note as Melta Missiles - give Retributors access to the Missile Launcher, with Melta and Frag rounds, and an option for Flakk. Also, make their Act grant Relentless; move Divine Guidance up to the 'everyone can use this' acts

- aircraft. Air power seems to be here to stay in 40k, the girls should have some options. One fighter; one bomber(dropping either AoE ignores cover fire blasts or clusters of Meltabombs that only hurt stuff under the center of the small template - but if it's under the center, well, S8 AP1 Meltabomb time) Give the Fighter an Act of Faith for Vector Dancer; and the Bomber one so's it can make a Flat Out move in the shooting phase and do another bomb run if that takes it over another target(No Rest for the Wicked)

-More vehicles. Let's raid the Space Marine armory again and nab some Land Speeders (both the regular 2-gun version and perhaps the Storm for another transport option for minimum squads) and perhaps a Predator. Flamestorm cannon; Avenger Bolt Cannon; or some kind of rapid-fire Melta cannon turret options; Heavy Flamer/Heavy Bolter/Multimelta sponsons. Act to let it fire like it was stationary that turn.

-Special Characters. Let's add some HFY badasses who aren't glorious martyrs, but glorious SURVIVORS who keep on smiting the Emperor's foes. Pask/Longstrike equivalent as well (bonus points - base her vaguely upon Tank Girl, because 40k is the most fun when it's not taking itself too seriously)

-some formations that aren't jsut for Apocalypse. Everyone else seems to be doing it; and the themes of faith and fire ought to lend themselves to some good ones.

>>47582054
Inquisition mook could either be really good or really, REALLY bad.

Exorcists mook? Either I'm a Scout (probably gonna get fucked by a demon) or a serf, who may also get fucked by a demon.

Stormtrooper mooks always get blapped and murdered in all their stories. Nah.

I guess living out Dark heresy games could be cool.

hows this for a csm list
sorcerer, lvl 2 spell familiar and jump pack
sorcerer, lvl 3,spell familiar and jump pack

2 X 10 man csm squad, flamer, vets, rhino, dozer, 2combi-bolter

2 X 7 raptors, mark of nurgle, 2 Flamers, power fist sarge.

Greater Brass Scorpion

it's not a great list, I already know that, but it's mostly models I really like and I think it might have a fair chance of pulling it's own weight

>>47584708
>the melta rule as written doesn't really make sense for a warhead rather than a beam
A meltabomb on a rocket doesn't make sense?

>>47584780
Why the hell are you asking that here?

>>47584825
I thought besides the failed space marines being lower tier military guys, the rest of the "staff" was servitors. Don't want them secrets getting out. You're fucked man!

>>47584894
The half range portion of melta is what he's talking about.

>>47584894
more the "at half range; do extra damage." That works for a beam - the closer you are the more focused/intense it is. for a warhead, if it's going off, it's touching the zogging target, so the half-range part is what doesn't make sense for me. On the other hand, turning the Exorcist into a rapid-fire Vanquisher would be just a wee tad bit OP, so I thought about how else to sort of work it.

Is "The Primarch's Wrath" a decent shooty option for a shoot-based Marine HQ?

>>47584537
Heritical love. Find it on 1d4chan. It's damn good.

>>47584961
Precisely - and thank you

>>47584981
Shooty is for pussies:

>>47585082
Swords are for retards.

Just got the Skitarii box, what's better on the Onager, Eradication or Neutron?

>>47585119
so use a hammer.

>>47585119
Who said anything about swords.

>>47585128
neutron or icarus

>>47585050
Will do. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>47584981
Its pretty good on anything with Relentless or that won't move the entire game. Great versus save 4+ armies like Skitarii or Guard (with carapace armor).
Since it's Master-crafted and most things that can buy it are BS4-5, you're likely to not miss much, and with Shred you're probably going to wound also.
For its points it's pretty ok.

>>47585128
Neutron Laser is in most situations a straight upgrade to the Eradication Beamer.
Only time the latter was ever helpful was when I was facing blobguard and the S6 AP5 Large Blast erased hole swathes of the buggers in a single shot. This of course this made the damn thing near useless versus their tanks though.
Stick with Neutron, it's great versus almost everything, be them blobs, vehicles, or characters/MC.

If your local meta has a ton of Flyers,FMC, and/or Skimmers (or if you lack anti-air in general), consider going with the Icarus Array. It's a damn great Anti-Air platform, especially in the Start Collecting box's formation.
Be warned that it becomes absolutely useless if the enemy didn't bring any Flyers/FMC/Skimmers though as every weapon it comes with has Skyfire and you'll be forced to Snap-Fire at all ground targets.

Heavy Phosphor Blaster is dick and overpriced, just take Kastellans.

>>47585220
Cool. How's this look for a Captain + shooty bikes?

HQ - Captain - 165
Bike
Primarch's Wrath
Artificier Armor
Storm Shield

Command Squad - 250
Bikes
Storm Shields
Gravguns

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This guy >>47578368 here. I had my first 2 games today. First was vs orks at 1000 points and second vs khorne daemons at 1500 points. The original guy that I thought I was playing against didn't show.

The first game vs orks I got got tabled turn 4, but it was a pretty close game. His stormboys destroyed my purifiers, his morkanaut killed my dreadknight, and his big squad of Boyz held up my terminators until his morkanaut came to eat them up. It was a great game. At the end he had his morkanaut, a few storm boys, a pain boy, a nob, and some gretchin.

>>47585119
waac fag.

>>47585399
If he was a waac fag he'd be running smashfucker and going in for assaults, so no actually

>>47577676

Brainstorming for a story: What would a Muslim/Arab-themed planet be like? You know, world-spanning cruel oppressors, sort of like if the Caliphate won and had a thousand years to build shit.

Sort of like a desert planet, complete with sprawling cities, mosques and moisture farmers?

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>>47585358
Second game I won and it wasnt as close, but still pretty fun. I took a lot of wounds off of some special bloodthirster, and took out a load of bloodletters early on. He kept pushing forward and D weaponed a dreadknight with his special bloodthirster and killed it. Then I shot at that thirster again and killed it, but the other special thirster took out my other dreadknight with his initative 9 attacks. I had draigo in a large terminator squad though, and he was able to cleanup most of what was left at the end. With force, hammerhand, prescience, and misfortune abound, along with being gk against daemons I was able to do a ton of wounds to basically anything dragon and his unit came into contact with.

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>>47585358
>11 BIG SHOOTAS IN ONE MOB
WOT DA ZOG

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>>47585449
Draigo*

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>>47585476
At the end, after his blood letters raped my purifiers, Draigo and crew got revenge on them. Both were great games against a nice and chill opponent.

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>>47585449
I see your opponent has watched Duncan's video on painting force weapons.

>>47585518
I'm the Grey knight player...

>>47585504
Heres the special D thirster before he pooped on my unfinished dreadknight.

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>>47585589
Whoops

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>>47585534
Here's how mine turned out, anon. I need to work on my blending and highlights.

Somebody want to check out my fanfic?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11978937/1/Rooks-Gambit-Or-Why-Imperials-Don-t-Use-Xeno-Weaponry

>>47585632
those look just as good, if not better than mine. Keep it up anon.

>>47585678
Thanks. I used Duncan's power armor tutorial, too. You don't know all the shit I tried to replicate the blue finish until that tutorial came out.

>>47585358
>Grey Knights tabled by Orks
How'd you manage that?

>>47585712

>>47585632, here.
Speaking from experience, since we have almost no re-rolls, the sheer amount of hits outdoes our usual 2+'s or 3+'s. I can save as many fucking lascannon shots on my Dreadknight as they throw at it, but GOD help me if a Guardsman squad takes aim. I'll roll 3 1's to save minimum.

>>47585712
Well it was my first game, but I did have some bad rolls with the dreadknight vs the morkanaught. Also I shouldn't have challenged his warlord with my librarian, but hey I wanted it be epic. I also couldn't get off any cleansing flames and I couldn't get force off once, so his painboy was giving fnp freely.

>>47585735
the guy's 10 gretchin actually took a wound of my dreadknight with shooting. It was pretty funny.

>>47585783
Sounds about right. One of the little fuckers got lucky and hit him in the eye.

>>47585354
It's getting to be quite a lot of points sunk into one unit (I assume they're rolling together), but otherwise it's not bad. The only complaints I can make are:

>You'd have to shoot both the Grav-Guns and Primarch's Wrath at the same unit, meaning that if your shooting a vehicle than Primarch's Wrath won't do jack shit since it's S4 (iirc), and if you're shooting at a unit with a good armor save, then the enemies would still get their armor save from Primarch's Wrath's shots since they're only AP4.

>You might get more out of your points by cutting 1 man from the squad and taking an apothecary. This would give the other 4 Grav-Gun guys and the Captain a Feel No Pain save if they fail their Armor/Invuln save.
5 Grav-Guns+Storm Shield is a tad overkill anyway.

>Consider buying a melee weapon on the Captian. Currently his other weapon will most likely go unused and the squad will most likely be tar-pitted and/or destroyed if something gets into Assault with it since they lack offensive firepower.

>>47585735
That what Land Raiders are for. Take them in an allied Inquisition detachment and you can take a Psybolt LR Prometheus and Psyflame LR Redeemer to put your termis in.

>>47585354
Same guy as >>47585845
What Chapter Tactics are you considering using?

so why don't gretchin seek sanctuary with other xeno's?

On a scale of shit to waac, how terrible is my army?

SoB 1500 points
>1x 80 pts
Canoness
Boltgun/Boltpistol
Rosarius

>5x 140 pts
Battle Sister Squad
3x Boltgun/Boltpistol
2x Meltagun
Immolator
TL Multi-Melta

>1x 120 pts
Battle Sister Squad
3x Boltgun/Boltpistol
2x Meltagun
Rhino

>3x 125 pts
Exorcist

>1x 150 pts
Vindicare Assassin

>1x 75 pts
Skyshield Landing Pad

I'm guessing horde armies will be a problem, but with Exorcists to take out any artillery support and the Vindicare to snipe out heavy weapons teams, my shitbucket rhinos should hold up pretty well against masses of base troops.

>>47586051
because Gretchen will grow into Orks if they ever get power or respect.
This is why their revolutionaries inevitably fail, even when they succeed.

Also all the whining about the 'means of production' gets annoying to listen too.

>>47586051
Too dumb and disorganized, plus no other xenos would want them as they'd bring the orky ecosystem with them and eventually there'd be orks kicking around.

>>47586113
At least one of your troop squads is going to be camping a backfield objective for most of the game. Drop their meltas and upgrade that Rhino to an Immolator. Looks okay apart from that and a complete lack of AA.

Realistically, how many melta's do you need to pop a heavy like a Land Raider or Lemon Russ in one turn?

I tend to think you need 3 for a transport and 5 for a tank

So if I just place my drop pod on top of a vehicle and roll scatter dice, so long as there is space all around it, i'll just scatter to immediate side?

>>47586249
BS4 vs AV14, 6 melta shots gives you an expected 3 hull points of damage and roughly 50% chance to explode. It takes 8 or 9 meltas to reliably wreck a Land Raider in one turn.

>>47586283
Nope, you scatter less to avoid obstacles, not more. You'll automatically mishap if you place on top of a vehicle, if the rules even allow it in the first place.

>>47585865
Iron Hands (for FNP) or White Scars (for bailing out of assaults)

>>47586341
>Bailing
That's not how it's done. Hit and Run in your opponent's assault phase and then shoot and assault them again on your turn. Bonus points for Power Lances.

>>47586386
Wouldn't sending gravbikes into an assault kind of defeat the purpose?

>>47586397
well yes, but scars get s5 hammer of wrath, and have hit and run

>>47586406
So this would be the plan of attack:

>be pootin around with gravbikes
>enemy charges, overwatch
>hit and run init test
>shoot enemy more
>charge again, hammer of wrath, hit and run init test
>drink orphan tears

that sound right?

>>47586397
You use it to avoid being shot at by your opponent, bikes will generally be safer in melee than out in the open.