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Krueger2 info anybody?
>>47403496
Robots are only as durable as the designer makes them, which will likely going to be the minimum strength to not break under its own weight.
Just saying, robots probably would be less durable than humans.
Need someone with Protectorate stuff =(
Sweet Jesus the thread returns...
Throw us a MacBone for MACBAIN plz
Hi again :) Trying again. Thexus and Drudges maybe and some pirates (Bart loves breasts too).
Anything Retribution if anyone has them
Ok so what can't be spoiled atm? I remember someone saying the Ret deck just isn't available?
>>47403592
there's more than one spoilerbro, but polebro can't post protectorate, khador, and skorne cards because of identifiers if I'm remembering correctly
Tiberion and Legends of Halaak - any info on how they changed?
also i'd love to know about Marketh's changes because spell slave certainly got fucking gimped
>>47403681
Marketh didn't change, casters did.
Everything we've seen about casters have been about them getting nukes for Marketh to spam. Especially the Fury 5 and 6 locks.
>>47403731
I can see myself taking him with Rasheth, assuming Breath stays the same. I don't think he'll really be worth it with any other caster.
Rhyas1, lylyth1 &3 kindly please :)
>>47403569
I second this. Anything Cephalyx or Pirates will make me a happy man.
>>47403763
BB caster has Dead Weight and Mortality, both great spells for him to cast
eMorg picked up Flesh Hooks, which prevents running, charging, and slams.
pMakeda has her new nuke that puts beasts at -2THR, which syngernizes with the various abilities to add Fury to a beast now.
goreshade 3 pls
>>47403856
He got spoiled like 2 threads ago
>>47403821
So Xekaar and eMorghoul look promising for him too.
Not buying the Mak1 thing though. If you bring Marketh with her he won't have a spell to cast against 7 factions.
>>47403891
She has upkeeps for him to manage as well, and it's still an AOE three nuke that does damage.
>>47403856
Syphon bolt is cost 3 pow 13, is the main change.
>>47403856
Spoonfeed.exe
>>47403902
That's not too stellar. If he could cycle those upkeeps sure. But just for maybe saving 1-2 fury on some turns he might be a bit too expensive.
Doesn't matter though. If the spoilers are to be believed, Mak1 will not see much table time.
>>47403924
I think fucking with enemy THR is going to be a much bigger deal than people realize, honestly.
Behave yourself Rafal.
>>47403942
But will that be worth it? Her feat and spell list got way worse and weren't incredible to begin with.
Please, give us Hammerfall UA spoiler.
Requesting more circle. What's up with my Tharn? All versions of them if possible
Yes please.
>>47403813
Thirding this. A pirate i was meant to be, trim the sails and roam the seas!
Just for info, but the new cards spoiled comes from Waroom beta test ?
Just because I want to know how many chance there are that they are 100% what we will find in the final product.
>>47403821
What's the stats on flesh hooks and exact wording? it sounds good but i cant find a mk2 equivalent anywhere
>>47404033
Don't know, it's a new spell.
The lack of Elves spoiler is disturbing.
can you pls tell me something about colossal kraken?
where are legion warlocks? PLS Give us something about them
>>47403821
Mortality is going to be the reason you bring Marketh along with Xekaar. Helps kill infantry? Check. Works as a +2MAT and +2STR bonus to any models attacking a given target? Check. Marketh is better at casting it than Xekaar? Check.
Like god damn.
>>47404090
Sure, but Deadweight is spell that can be amazing in the right situation.
Picking off some random model and forcing their Colossal to sac movement or action, for example, can be game winning.
It seems the faction decks were leaked. Does anyone has a link to them ?
Really hoping for a terminus spoiler. Anybody got the goods?
>>47404117
God damn, Xekaar is just so GOOD. My dick can't handle this shit. I might proxy him tomorrow if anyone at my LGS is up for a game and assume 7 warbeast points.
>>47404123
Well the only things I find are reddit links of facebook reposts of what was already posted here.
>>47404123
No, go away Dave.
>>47404140
He's great, but I do think he's a little boring.
He does a lot for his army, but it's all pretty basic. I mean, BB caster, but he just feels very auto-run, without a lot of depth to his tactics.
>>47404140
>>47404171
I swear for a while there every Skorner posting about him said he was hot garbage.
>>47404171
Pursuit feels like the point at which Xekaar gets difficult to use. Knowing what to hit to mess with your opponent's activations, knowing what beast to move and where to move it, and knowing that you need to keep the options open before you even pass turn. Sure you could just spam Mortality and go mental with Nihilators and Swordsmen, and it's likely very effective, but I do think there's room for nuanced play. And I mean come on, don't act like Skorne warlocks in Mk2 are complex.
My kingdom for a Krueger2 image.
>>47404187
The problem is that the initial impression he gives you, Reach, WM, Witchmark, makes him seem like a front line warlock.
And he's absolute fucking ass at that, likely to get himself killed.
Like, half his profile makes him look like he's supposed to be up front when he's not meant to be anywhere close.
>>47404192
They're not, but the hope is that they grow out of that in Mk3.
>>47404211
yeah fucking everyone was fixated on "MAT 6, no chain strike! terrible stats! literally worst thing to happen since pearl harbour and 9/11!"
then people actually read his spell list
>>47403496
Why the fuck does Circle get eight wound infantry? Apparently Skinwalkers are as tanky as Man-O-Wars, and tankier than Trolls.
>>47404248
Skinwalkers are half way to warbeasts themselves, which is likely why they've got the 8 boxes.
I mean, the difference between Skinwalkers and warpwolves is pretty thin.
This might be a long shot, but was Cryx's Stalker ever leaked? I've always loved that little guy, it'd be nice if I had a reason to put him on the table more often.
>>47404187
I still think he's pretty shit. Any warlock where half is card is just trap abilities isn't gonna be rolling with "the greats."
His spell list is phenomenal, but he's only fury 6 so you're gonna be left on 1 transfer of you upkeep and cast anything, and he's 15/14 and max 10" away from something threatening.
Marketh will def help, but between him, one or two agonizers, a krea, and handlers your looking at 30+ points of strictly support,and no real workers yet.
>>47404263
Was confirmed on the forums that it got AD. I've not seen anything else.
Rhyas 1, I'll fucking beg dammit
>>47404283
i think you're the only legion player in existence who actually plays rhyas1
>>47404283
I've seen +1 Pow, and Rapport swapping free transfer for long leash but nothing else.
>>47404151
Heh, sorry but that guy ain't me. I just lurk and read shit, like I have on /tg/ for fucking ages (usually RPG threads, rather then warmahordes though).
I'll admit I'm curious where these card scans came from, but that's more about the veracity of the material then actually wanting a link (which I haven't asked for, here or elsewhere).
>>47404283
Still shit, sorry.
Hello friends, teasing Cryx anon here. I have acquired all the cards recently, feel free to ask me anything.
>>47404326
Could you fuck off?
>>47404326
Rhyas1
Dawnguard Destors, please ! :)
>>47404338
I could.
>>47404326
How's shade 2 looking?
could you give us some info on Swamp Gobber River Raiders ?
>>47404326
Brigand artwork is cool. Thanks for the share.
How about the new Ret, House Lys healer?
>>47404344
I meant now. Could you fuck off and stop posting now.
>>47404326
Legends of Halaak, are they any different?
>>47404326
How you acquired all the cards Teasing-Anon ?
You sold your soul for becoming an Iron lich ?
>>47404342
I think this one is better left as a secret.
>>47404343
I don't like knife-ears.
>>47404345
He's great, he lost his elite cadre for tactician (bane), but he also gained abyssal gate and mirage for some great threat range shenanigans and arcane consumption got buffed to D3.
>>47404350
Thank you, I thought it was really cool too.
>>47404365
They lost all their granted abilities and gained them as passives.
>>47404326
I would like to see Dawnguard Destors and Mage Hunter Infiltratos. Hope they see more table in mk3. Thanks !
>>47404326
Any Skorne 'lock. Except of course Mordikaar and Xekaar.
Cassius/Wurmwood pls.
>>47404326
Corruptor? Harrower? Helldiver? Stalker?
>>47404326
Tharn Ravagers
>>47404371
WTF is Abyssal gate and what did he lose to get these? Thanks bro
I knew I shouldn't have taken out the OP thing about begging the cryx cropping poster for spoilers.
HE WON"T POST THEM. STOP BEGGING HIM
>>47404326
Krueger2 please. Plz based anon
>>47404371
What's eMorg's spell list, and if he has the rumoured flesh hooks spell what is its RNG, POW, cost and wording? apparantly its fucking awesome
khador pleaseeeeeeee
>>47404326
Why are you such a cum gargling fag?
>>47404401
might get based polebro to post some more at least
Still waiting on that Sepulchre
>>47404430
Ooh yeah. That'll be interesting
>>47404399
Cost 3 RNG8 POW12, do damage and you get to place the enemy model 3", doesn't work on warcasters and warlocks. He lost phantom hunter and sudden death.
>>47404404
Sorry, flesh hooks is terrible.
Cost 2 RNG10 POW12, damaged model can't charge, slam or trample.
>>47404403
He's even better.
>>47404411
I play Cryx.
>>47404326
Warmongers please?
>>47404464
>Sorry, flesh hooks is terrible.
>Cost 2 RNG10 POW12, damaged model can't charge, slam or trample.
That's not terrible. It's cheap enough to be spammed and has some utility.
>>47404464
Cankerworm? How badly did my favorite Bonejack get hit?
>>47404478
You do realize that Morghoul is a fragile fury 5 warlock, right? Course you could take Marketh to use that gimmicky paralysis but eh.
>>47404478
Any nuke on a fury 5 low arm warlock is suspect I'd say haha
>>47404542
lol hahaha
Does anyone know if Haley 1 kept Temporal Barrier?
>>47404564
She does have a spell called Temporal Barrier.
>>47404581
Is it still a cancerous fun killer though?
>>47404591
Well she's a Cygnar warcaster, so.
>>47404581
What does it do?
>>47404591
>>47404601
-2 DEF and SPD
>>47403999
IIRC like no changes. Still had guns ablazing and double time. Had ranked attacks. I can't recall the PC.
I remeber my impression was "Oh man I hope the UA does what everyone wanted buff wise for highshie....oh..its the same...huh".
Don't have access to cards but I recall a good bit of the merc deck from what I saw of it.
As I said in another thread though. Mercs got _very_ few tangible changes aside from PC balancing. Pirates barely changed.
Total pirate changes from what I recall
Shae's Coup De Maine is +2 movement no charging restriction but privateer only. Still free charges.
Black Penny on Rifleman
Sea Dog Crew are like 8/13 PC wise?
and that's it. Commodore didn't change from what I saw. And all the solos work the same from what I saw.
Didn't do a super in depth comparison though. I've been planning to not go too crazy until final cards are out.
Wurmwood is now the warlock with 7 fury, Cassius is a solo attachment that wurmwood can channel through, wurmwood can have up to three souls that turn into fury at control phase. Spells are pretty much the same.
Wurmwood can be teleported via stones or Cassius but that's it
>>47404616
Are Freebooters, Mariners and Buccaneers privateer jacks?
Can anyone say what the new Ret solo does, the Lys Healer shown at the EU Championships
Any info on merc pirates. Plz tell me about Shey.
>>47404326
How many jp does hark have?
What does the victor do now?
I have had a dream of fielding a three colossal list for years. I need to know if it's still possible.
Swamp Gobber River Raiders ! Need more info
How about them Thorn Gunmages mm?
>>47404682
Shae is picked up flashing blade think he lost phantasm but got blur.
With blur and groundwork he's almost immune to Kara sloan
>>47404697
Harkevich has 28 points, Victor got a point of STR, same ammo types (flare strips stealth).
Little dwarf jacks kept powerful attack! (One focus to boost all attack and damage rolls) with power up is insanith
Any peaks at the big OK fatty terminus
>>47404326
You already said you don't like knife-ears, but I would greatly appreciate if you answered these two questions :)
Do Dawngaurd Destors gained something that makes them viable ?
Mage Hunter Infiltrators kept Mage Killer ? Or has it changed ?
Thanks !
>>47404760
And Durgen gives them continuous fire on their guns. Even more insanity. I love it
>>47404745
Secondary guns still do the same I take it?
No changes to the highshields UA... ugh.
Let take the unit that nobody ever played because they suck, and don't buff them significantly at all.
It's like they forgot to play test them entirely.
>>47404745
Also does it have that blast 10 rule?
>>47404773
No and no.
Other spoiler bro, Nomad points cost? I'm pretty sure it was 11 but I don't remember, don't have cards on me :P it is PS 18 2" Melee RNG now though!
>>47404662
IIRC, Yeah. Least I glanced Mariner to check for Privateer saw it and didn't bother checking the other two.
Galleons the one I regret not checking for privateer tag.
>>47404708
Shae got flashing blade. Kept Phantasm. Veil of Mists 2 cost (though I realized that looking at Coven's spelllist not Shaes)
I think Flashing Blades a nerf for him but eh.
Anyway, Coup De Main is his only privateer only spell. He can God Speed anything. He'll be fine with generalists just not quite as crazy as well all expected.
>>47404791
I think high shields may be better due to the fact that merc casters seem to be allowed to have armor buffs now. I previously used them with Cyphon because an armor 21 CRA unit was actually kinda sweet with AD. If the price is right they could see some niche play.
>>47404791
>>47404896
They did get CMA. Which honestly I'm wondering if we are all underestimating.
Not to mention the Shield Wall change (lasts until next activation apparently).
Getting back to CMA though. They can extract themselves if something runs at them. That's kinda huge. Not to mention they can charge and do CMAs now (more for accuracy) and that's kinda neat. Or advance under shield wall and do a mixed activation where a couple wind up in melee and CMA. While the rest of the unit CRA things.
They didn't really gain PC for it either. So now they are this weird toolbox unit with slow speed and good output in range and melee.
Maybe it just needs some serious playtime to get acclimated to?
>>47404948
They're a legit target for strength of granite. CMA +4 STR could actually be a surprising counter attack to a jack
>>47405236
Wait I'm retarded granite is still battlegroup only
Yeah maybe primed. Dunno
Looks like no one has posted Ret yet? I have access to all the cards, if no one has posted them by tonight I will share them with you guys.
>>47405236
"in this model's Battlegroup"
Unfortunately.
>>47405273
May as well drop them now, I doubt anyone else has them/will post them
>>47404464
Define "better" did he keep stormwall?
>>47405273
Fuck yeah.
I'd love to see how our warjacks have changed.
Do these card packs have new stuff in the mkiii prime, or are they purely erratas on existing models?
>>47405300
Need tow a it to get off work. I can't really dedicate time to it right now.
If there is something specific you want let me know and I will try and get to it
>>47405273
please do. I really want to know how the warjacks are now. Even if you don't want to post everything now, just those would be awesome.
>>47405317
Mostly curious to see the jacks/casters, don't want to inconvenience you too much, so what ever you drop is good, thanks mang.
>>47405309
Very little so far but honestly ret jacks are fucking legit now since they were so focus dependent. Now that they have power up, FA:3 arcanists and Helios they are pretty fucking powerful.
I imagine Phoenix blades might go up to Pow 18 though
>>47405309
New stuff will be in Prime/Primal and not in the card packs. Only guys who got the translations will have those. Guys like me with just the card pack won't have anything on the new models.
>>47405317
I'd like to see Narn, Stormfall, and Issyria if you got em.
Prime Conflux spoilers, or CoC spoilers in general. I'm mostly wondering if anyone got any new spells or if PP was being literal when they said they didn't change. Hoping Mega Mom's Feat affects her Servitors now, yannow.
Lol at this point there's no such thing as 'just the deck' anything you have will be more than 90% of us could hope to know. Until you share ofc :D
>>47405317
Dawnguard Destors and Mage Hunter Infiltrators ! I'm really curious about them :)
has anyone posted Gorman yet?
>>47405317
Issy, Tyrone, Hyperion and Helios
Any chance Retribution bro could show us the Vyros 1 and the stormfalls please?
>>47405307
No, he did not.
>>47405300
>>47405309
>>47405342
>>47405329
>>47405390
>>47405435
>>47405489
Just so you guys no I'm not goofing around.
I'll share what I can when I can. There's a ton of stuff here to process
>>47405608
Take your time, I'm already happy just to know we will finally get something other than cryx around here !
>>47405608
awesome, thank you very much.
>>47405608
Your fotocrap skills suck.
>>47405630
I have literally everything and I'm tired of shitty spoiler guy. I just need to be careful not to implicate anyone.
I enjoy leaking stuff you guys when I can
>>47405644
You're welcome, be good to eachother. Ret is amazing and got really good in the new edition
>>47405665
On mobile, enjoy what you get
>>47405677
No problem man just joking.
Can you post all the new unit/solo ?
>>47405695
Don't have them. See my earlier post >>47405356
>>47405677
>You're welcome, be good to eachother. Ret is amazing and got really good in the new edition
Sold my ret 3 months before mk3 was announced. Really sucks. I might have to pick it up again.
Working on getting my Khador painted up. Trying to get a decent camera from somewhere. Anyone know of any affordable camera models?
I am curious about Ravyn feat and Issy blindig light. Even without card i sok spoilerbro :D
>>47405754
Price range? If you can find something with a Macro Lens that'd be ideal.
>>47405760
Blinding light is unchanged
Rayvns feat is boosted ranged attack rolls and swift hunter
Plz Kromac 2..
Crazy Beast Guy
>>47405709
Let's get weird with it. Let's see some D-Grade stuff from mk. 2.Trencher Commandos, legion lights, satyrs, Grayle, mohsar, etc
Still looking for some spoilers for the Swamp Gobber River Raiders :)
>>47405776
Like, under $100.
We got anything on the Gator posse yet?
If not, /r/ing
>>47405847
Gatorman Posse- 11/18
Gained Tough
Went down to MAT 6, otherwise same stats
.5” on bite, 2” on Gatorman Weapon (P+S 13 on both)
Prayers:
Dirge of Mists is now “gain concealment
Offerings to Kossk is the reroll against living
Predator’s Prayer is gain Bloodthirst (+2” move on charges against living)
5 boxes
Kept Unyielding
>>47405847
go back to a few threads ago. Almost all of minions was spoiled
>>47405677
>I enjoy leaking stuff you guys when I can
Gods work. How about something from the species neglected by the gods though?
>>47405847
Mat 6, 5 boxes, Blood Thirst now a prayer instead of always on, pathfinder prayer gone, dirge now gives concealment. PC is 18, FA 3.
>>47405847
Most all of minions was spoiled yesterday fyi
>>47405800
You know I always though Grayle was cool, here ya go
can you give some info about Thorn, Ace, ORowdy, Minuteman, dynamo, galant. Thx
>>47405800
>>47405876
>>47405800
>>47405894
>>47405876
Capcha sucks giant balls. Forgot how awful this was
Any news on the Galleon? Is it a privateer model?
Also anything on Drudge Mind Benders? Exulon?
>>47405903
>>47405894
>>47405876
>>47405800
OK, I need to go do real work now. I can only slack off so much.
>>47405919
Can we get eMorvana and eKruger, please, please :)
How come all the leaked cars have shit resolution images on them. Yet the text is super sharp and crisp. Is someone making them just to troll the fuck out of people/
>>47405919
Neat. Thanks spoilerbro
>>47405943
Possibly because they're play test cards so the text would change while the images are static
>>47405943
Possibly because these are final and they don't want to give fakes high res images.
Any hope for jonne and herne...wandering if they are nerfed..
>>47405943
The same thing I am questioning.
>>47405905
>Galleon
OK, sure why not.
Galleon is unchanged but is a Privateer Colossal. Costs 39 points, FA 2
>>47405979
We know the cards are coming from a PDF. The way it works is that things like text are vectors, and so when you zoom in they stay nice and sharp, but art assets will pixelate the more you zoom in.
The card pics just posted are zoomed in.
>>47405993
Really? Nothing changed but it went up 1.5 mk2 points? That's sad
>>47405919
so, this feat could be amazing if the stalker kept berserk right?
>>47406029
It's still super good.
Erfbreaka is also unchanged. Costs 38 points
>>47406029
kind of silly since it can't get spiny growth anymore, which was probably the only 'broken' part about it.
Oh well, more love for normal merc jacks is good
>>47405919
Legion is still the "ignore the other guy's feat" faction.
>>47406046
Stalker did stay mostly the same. Still has Warp Strength and Berserk. Costs 19 points. Lighting Strike costs 1 but is rng self.
His sword is p+s 16
>>47405985
Picked up artillerist. Otherwise unchanged maybe spd 5 on both. Having trouble recalling.
>>47405803
IIRC unchanged. Mat and rat 5. Debuffer hand weapon swings. Idk im not convinced by them. I mighta missed something.
>>47406075
>Lighting Strike costs 1 but is rng self
hello darkness, my old friend.
does he still have prowl? any info on the feral my one true king?
>>47406029
It went up a bit for good reason but literally everything else in Mercs has gone down in cost, so it'll balance out
>>47403496
Oh this is rich.
I get it, Skinwalkers are the "tanky" HI, while Ravagers are the assault type of infantry.
But to be fair, thats like giving the Celtari 8 boxes and the Arcuarii 5 boxes, just to point out their different combat role.
>>47404257
This is bs and you know it.
I am glad to see they took on the defensive part at least, and that the ua got worse.
And they got to much arm to be furry beasts, should be 12/14 at the most. But hey, guess privateer press is thinking this is "game balance" at its best, right?
>>47406075
What's old Krueger2's spell list looking like?
>>47405903
>storm rager went up 1 cost
Vengeance is really nice, though. I guess Wolf Sword are going to be Wolves of Orboros and Reeves?
Anything on Battle Mages [intruding with Ret love]
>>47405794
Thanks man. Chance to know what Stormfall and Destor do now?
>>47406106
Sorry, yes he has Prowl
>>47406088
This is correct, Herne and Joane are the same but got Artilerist. Cost 5 pointa
Hej guys. Hello, spoilerbro.
>>47405677
I just came home from work. Did I miss merc spoiler hour? Just saw some cards in the last thread and am afraid I might have.
Anyone spoil black 13 yet?
>>47406075
The Stalker's animus changing to RNG SELF is not "staying mostly the same".
You could change literally every other stat and piece of text on its card and it would matter less than that one line. It has huge impact for the model and the faction in general.
>>47406143
I'm a new Spoilerbro, long time poster though. I will post Merc stuff when I can but wanted to start with Ret and Circle since they haven't gotten much yet.
What's the one thing you want to know?
Kromac2 Kromac2 Kromac2!!
I'm kind of pissed, like a 3rd of my meta has the .pdfs but they're still insisting on playing coy and not sharing them . . .
Stormfalls or Electromancers
>>47406109
They've always been 12/16 Unyielding. They're miniwerewolves in armor.
>>47406181
I'll just copy my questions from the last threads.
>How's ashlyn doing? I know it's been said, she's 'virtually' unchanged but I'm wary.
>sylis wishwhatever?
>What are the point cost on the mule, rover and mangler?
Any spoilers are welcome. I'm just glad we get any at all.
Baldur 2 please.!!
Any battlemage info going?
>>47406181
What's the Griffon like these days? Still a good spam candidate?
>>47406181
Dawnguard Destors and Mage Hunter Infiltrators ! I'm really curious about them :)
As always, ret casters how do their cards look. Garry especially.
Could we have haley1 and 3, and B13 plz ?
>>47406181
I'd be so grateful for Moros and Arcantrik Force Generator spoilers.
>No Vyros spoilers
>>47406181
Need more on Krueger2!
>>47406205
Yes, but you seem to forget this is "mk3 - nerf ed".
Every thing that seems "logical" from a models standpoint has been taken in to account on other models. Such as humanoid HI for instance, loosing out on def, because frankly, it was ridiculous to think someone could have that defense when wearing a shit-ton of armor!
Same should apply here, wearing nothing but fur and a light chain mail should NOT give you the right to 16 arm, the same arm as a HI from other teams (Protectorate and Skorne for instance) thats wielding a shit-ton of pure metal! I'm talking half a car in armor (not to mention pauldrons)!
This, to me, is just one example that privateer press (even though they really are trying) has their own "favorite" Mary sue units. And are simply trying to manipulate the market to increase sales and such. Shame really, as this is looking to be a great edition otherwise.
I'd like to second the request for Krueger2 and Kromac2 please! Thanks!
>>47406207
Mercs are my first love. Here you go
>Ashlynn
Yes, she's the same. She picked up rng 1 on her sword and now has Dual Attack. Virtuoso no longer exists but it's the same thing. 29 jack points
>Silly Willy, Nailer of Wishes
Unchanged, costs 4 points
>Rover, Mule, Mangler
15 points
>Nomad
11 points
Any other Cephalyx players here who care to share their opinions on how the faction is changing with MK 3?
Most of the changes seem to be positive- I was worried telekinesis might be nerfed because this seems to be "Warmachine: The Downgradening" but it seems most of the core spells for our casters are intact. Deceleration disappointingly only adds to armor and not defense, but the silver lining is that it affects armor vs spells as well as ranged attacks. Affliction looks like it went from being a do nothing waste of a spell to halfway decent.
Our unit leaders trading stealth for sac pawn is perhaps the most worrying change so far. I play against a lot of things that ignore stealth so sac pawn is better for me 90% of the time.
>>47406106
>>47406164
I agree but look at the wording. You can cast lightning strike after you've made a kill to get sprint since it triggers at the end rather than on kill like it did previously. Actually kinda neat
Do you guys know the cost for Bane Warriors?
>>47406181
Thorn Gunmages! What do they do.
>>47406312
Well remember, gun mages lost true sight and you can still block LOS with your grunts.
Overall cephalyx are looking as beast as usual and their monstrosities got even cheaper
>>47406280
lmao
>>47405993
Yay, it can be taken in the pirate theme list.
>>47403496
this is fake
>>47406293
Thank you very very much for not only answering one but all my questions. I take it that none of ash's spells or the feat changed? I might post some more questions later atm, I'm happy.
>>47406312
I cam tell you real quick that Thexus is unchanged except that he picked up inflict pain on his melee weapon. 29 jack points
So... Yeah, totally unchanged
I have a mission, /tg/. Give me an hour.
One very painful hour.
Has Gorten been spoiled yet?
Would love to know his rules, and Ossrum too if possible. Thanks!
>>47406367
Both are spoiled in their entirety in the previous thread
>>47406359
<3 It is good to know my favorite caster is coming out on the other side of this shitstorm all squeaky clean. One clarification I'd ask for is about Inflict Pain. Is that "can instead auto deal 1 damage with melee" ?
>>47406341
Gunmages no longer ignore stealth? not even with the UA? well dang!
>>47406234
Well, we know he makes Imperatus Focus Efficient.
>>47406327
10/17 IIRC. Maybe 11/17, but full unit is definitely 17 points.
>>47406422
Inflict paint is if you hit a warbeast you can add or remove a fury point. See Skorne. It's a dumb flavor rule that will never be relevantI think it's hilarious
Kromac2 is next, give me a second though at first glance he appears unchanged
>>47406280
Except PP has stated the armor something is wearing isn't the only standard for how high something's armor is. Amon isn't wearing any armor yet he's tougher than caine. My point is the durability of the model is also taken into account. These things auto heal for crying out loud. They sound pretty durable.
>>47406196
Yeah, that's annoying. I get it for reasons like not implicating those who shared them, but for the sake of feeling special, it's lame.
>>47406383
Yes! Thanks guys.
Though I am confused, since I believe it was stated by one of the PPS guys (Hungerford?) that Gorten "got tougher".
Might these not be the final versions? Or am I missing some way that he has changed...
>>47406501
Primal Howl will have had to either changed or been removed.
Great give us something for Baldur 2 as well please !!!
Picking up tough is, in fact, tougher.
>>47406501
thanks new spoilerbro. Like your name.
I actually wish I had the PDF's as being slow at work I have nothing but time to type shit up lol
>>47406523
Let's find out together, shall we?
>>47406196
Seriously. People are posting full cards at will; why not just share the pdfs at this point?
Any spoilers about Winter Argus/Griffons/Satyrs?
Or i must post some half-naked hentai chick?
>>47406581
Because reasons, sorry for the trouble. I'm sure some one will share it eventually
>>47406581
Probably the pdf is watermarked or something.
Not going to lie either, posting individual cards is kind of fun. Also, I'm really, really not supposed to be posting cards but it's too much of a pain to type shit up right now
Could you please tell us what changed with Acosta and Anastasia Di Bray?
Thanks for spoilers !
Could we have some info on phaley and B13 plz ?
>>47406615
Also possible, hence the edited screenshots
Pretty please could you post Deneghra 3? I just finished painting her up and took a while so hoping she's not poop..
>>47406502
Still, heavy armor takes away from your defense, because it looks so on the model? This is also a statement from pp.
That makes most of it absurd, and only a excuse when pp feels the need to nerf/buff anything at a whim. Like when you where little and told your friend "well, that wont work, because I'm impervious to bullets", just because you could.
>>47406639
B13 have a few typical rune shots and Concentrated Power. Flare, True Sight, and Mage Storm are gone.
>>47406619
None of have PDF editors?
>>47406573
>def 14
Based
>>47406501
>Inflict paint is if you hit a warbeast you can add or remove a fury point. See Skorne. It's a dumb flavor rule that will never be relevant
I wouldn't say that. With Bone Grinders you could feasibly end up using them for fury management.
>>47406573
>>47406599
>>47406619
>>47406643
Well, Primal Howl being gone sucks. He still looks solid though.
ormat of entries:
SPD/STR/MAT/RAT/DEF/ARM/CMD
Weapon Name/RNG/POW
Hexxy1
6/8/7/4/15/16/8
Fury7
Gulgata 2/14
WB+29
17 Boxes
Vampiric Reaving - Can reave fury points from enemy warbeasts, same as before
Gulgata - Beatback
Blood Boon
Spell List
Death March
Infulence
Obliteration
Soul Slave
Spirit Leech
Feat:
Specifies warrior model now. Says model can't gain back strike bonus. Otherwise appears unchanged.
Hexxy2
6/8/7/4/15/16/8
Fury7
Gulgata/2/14
WB+27
17 boxes
Frield Marshal Channeler
Vampire Harvest - When a living enemy model is destroyed in this mode's control range, a model in this model's battegroup that is in it's control range can remove 1 damage points
Gulgata - Thresher
Ashes to Ashes
Banishing Ward
Black Spot
Cloak of Ash - FF model/unit gains Ashen Veil
Hellfire - No Tough check
Feat: Same
Makeda1
6/7/7/4/15/16/9
Fury 6
Sword of Baalesh 1/12 x 2
WB+29
16 boxes
Blood Quenced
Side Step
Carnage
The Lash COST 3 RNG 10 AOE4 POW13
Warbeasts hit by The Lash suffer -2THR for one round
Quicken
Subjugation of Will COST 2 RNG SELF AOE CTRL Upkeep
While in this model's control range, warbeasts in it's battlegroup gain Shield Guard
Feat
Now compltetly wthin 3" and forfeit combat action instead of movement
>>47406619
can you post some more of the Ret Jacks? Banshee/Daemon/Sphinx for example?
Makeda2
6/7/7/4/15/16/10
Fury 6
Sword of Balaash 1/12 x 2
WB+24
16 boxes
Elite Cadre Swordsmen - Swordsmen gain Vengeance
Stay Death is no longer once per turn
Swords - Combo Strike
Dash
Deflection
Prostration COST2 RNG8 POW12
Target model hit becomes Knocked Down
Strom Rager
Feat - No longer prevents Free Strikes
Makeda3
6/7/8/4/15/16/10
Fury 6
Talon of Murzoul 2/15
WB+24
16 boxes
Battle Driven
Talon - Blood Boon
Hand of Death - COST 2 RNG 6 Upkeep
Model gains Grievous Wounds and Overtake
Eliminator
Ground Zero
Vortex of Destruction
Court
6/7/8/3/12/18
Sword 1/12
5 boxes each
Construct
Soul Vessal
Shield Guard
Battle Driven
>>47406691
What'd you expect? Morale doesn't exist anymore, so Primal Howl as-is was useless.
>>47406691
Keep in mind he gained 1 def at all times and now has the argus animi, so he can make anyone in melee with him DEF 5. Brutal. Even the feat change is barely a nerf since it was redundant on him and Ghetorix. losing Auto hit when your primary hitter is 'mat 11 against Def 5? Who cares?
You do realise that you can incluse a min unit of anything and start with 3 corpse tokens from the start right?
Also free Carnage on feat.
Ghetto with overtake and boost damage on warrior models AND SPINY GROWTH...
>>47406660
Anymore detail than that? Losing mage storm and true sight is pretty huge
Well I was going to post Kruger2 but then my post got eaten. Let's try this again
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
6 5 6 6 15 15 9
LIGHTNING BOLT
RNG ROF AOE POW
10 1 — 12
Reload 2
Wurmtounge is the same
SHELTERING HAND – While in this model’s command range, friendly
Faction models gain Immunity: Electricity
Gallows
Lightning Storm
Rebuke
Telekinesis
Windstorm (Mk3 Stormwall)
Feat Hurricane
Enemy models currently in Krueger’s control range are
pushed 3˝ directly away from Krueger in the order you
choose. Affected models suffer –2 SPD for one round
Don't you see?
Kromac2 now eat Undead's Heart
Just wondering...the Thorn gun mages haven't got a card right? Because I could swear I saw the cryx gunslingers in one of the previous threads already..
>>47406784
Weird, because they don't provide corpse tokens
Thanks for your hard work !,,
You got anything on the girls - phaley and haley3 ?
Morghoul 1
7/6/8/4/16/14/8
Parry
Pathfinder
Fury 5
Ripper .5/9
WB+30
15 boxes
Anatomical Precision
Dodge
Maltreatment
Side Step
Steady
Ripper
Double Strike
Inflict Pain
Abuse
Admonition
Torment
Feat - Now specifices non-warcaster, non-warlock models, also notes that you can't spend Fury as well as Focus
Morghoul2
7/6/8/4/16/14/8
Pathfinder
Stealth
Mercy 1/12
Blessed, Weapon Master
Fan of Shadows .5/8
Fury 5
WB+29
15 boxes
Apparition
Steady
Mercy
Grievous Wounds
Fan of Shadows
Blind
Flashing Blade
Flesh Hooks COST2 RNG 10 POW12
Target model damaged by Flesh Hooks cannot charge or make slam or trample power attacks for one round
Ghost Walk
Feat
Enemy models in Control Range and LOS suffer Blind
>>47406795
I keep saying this, but we'll go over it one more time.
The card decks do not have NEW stuff, only Mk2 models. If you want new models like Thorn Gun Mages you'll have to wait for a kind Polandbro to post them
they provide corpse tokens in mk2
just no soul
>>47406781
He looks the same, how is he even better?
Anymore Ret?
>>47406823
Rebuke!
is it from stryker2?
>>47406823
He got fucking Rebuke, and a better Inspiration effect?
>>47406781
>no "cannot charge" clause on the feat
>but has rebuke
Not sure how feel
>>47406823
Because fuck Cygnar, that's why. Also, gains rebuke.
>>47406312
I think FA 2 Dominators that are also cheaper (Only 1 MK3 points.) makes up for some of the changes in a big way. That's really changing the game for mind controlling general merc units as you have have some that work well in concert now.
Not many Circle casters left.
Can we have a look at eBaldur please.
>>47406816
They provide all tokens just few, if any care.
>>47406812
lol...pMorgh feat nerf, of course
>>47404326
HELLO MY GOOD SIR! would you mind sharing nyss legionnaires and the nephilim? thanks ;D
>>47406804
Heart eater says they do. Also nothing about enemy models anymore. Every circle match starts with death wolves and tharn eating some swamp shambles now.
Baldur2 remains literally the same, has 30 WB Points
Any news on the precursor UA? We got the unit spoiled a few threads back without any info on the attachment..
>>47406812
>>47406781
>>47406719
>>47406712
Thanks anon. You have fulfilled my curiosity and crushed my dreams.
>>47406573
eMorvana cards if possible, please :)
>>47406906
Wolves of Orboros and Reeves please, with UA
>>47406759
DEF dropped to 14 like all Gun Mages, too.
Naaresh
6/7/7/4/15/15/7
Tough
Fury 6
Katana 1/11 x 2
WB32
17 boxes
Blade Trade
Flagellant
Hyper Regeneration - Automatically remove d3 damage points from this model at the start of it's activation
Painmonger
Katana
Combo Strike
Life Drinker
Bleed
Blur
Cyclone
Lamentation - Doubles cost of spells in control, doubles cost to upkeep spells on models/units in control range
Feat - Appears to be the same
Rasheth
4/4/3/1/10/14/8
Fury 8
WB+28
Dark Rituals - FF warrior model, model suffers d3 magical damage
Impervious Flesh - applies to all damage rolls
Steady
Blood Mark
Breath of Corruption
Carnivore - FF now
Castigate - Blocks all Channeling, prevents warbeasts from forcing for their animi as well
Sunder Spirit
Feat - All models, suffer -2DEF, STR, and ARM. When a living model is destroyed, Rasheth can remove 1 damage
>>47406914
Sure, who needs to work?
>>47406719
>Prostration COST2 RNG8 POW12
>Target model hit becomes Knocked Down
Shoulda been called Genuflect.
>>47406863
I do feel good about the changes to dominators- do we know how they work with the changes to leadership and whatnot?
>>47406914
>>47406950
Wait, does Rasheth's feat work against your own dudes?
Also, Mak2 and Rasheth look really good. The others look really terrible.
So are we seeing another meta shift toward high ARM with MK III? DEF is going down, ARM is going up, and more jacks are going on the table.
>>47406914
>>47406951
>>47407000
>>47407007
Enemy models, of course.
But he still has a feat against Convergence now
>>47406962
If dominator is capped then the unit must run for its next activation. That's it.
I'm thinking Croe may work well with a Dominator. All stealth.
Alexia + Boomhowler may work well as a big meat wall alongside drudges.
>>47407019
>>47407000
>>47406951
And there ya go.
One more Circle spoiler and then I need to do some work. Choose wisely
>>47407036
I hear Brad is garbage now, confirm?
>>47406950
Naaresh seems worse purely because Blur is so much worse than Mk2 Iron Flesh. 1" range on his melee attacks makes Cyclone a LOT better though. As for Rasheth, he seems about the same. Not sure if his feat is still the same, but it looks good either way. Mass Mortality fuck yeah.
>>47407059
Is this your choice Circle players?
>>47407069
No, we want to see War Wolf.
>>47407036
...what about the promised Ret-spoilers?
>>47407069
I wouldn't mind Brad but if you could do wolves and reeves after I would appreciate it
>>47407036
>>47407069
>>47407076
Second for War Wolf!
Yeah go for Brad
>>47407069
2nd for war wolf
>>47407036
NO THEY WANT KARCHEV OF COURSE
Xerxis 1
5/8/8/4/13/18/10
Tough
Fury 5
Pillar of Halaak 2/14
WB28
19 boxes
Battle Plans, RNG 5, at any time, FF warrior model/unit
Marsh - Pathfinder
Push to the Limit - +2SPD for full Advance
Stir the Blood +2 to first melee attack damage roll
Overtake
Tactican - No longer says small/medium base only
Pillar
Combo Smite
Def Ward - +2DEF/ARM
Rift
Tac Supremacy
Feat
Same as before, requires B2B with another FF model, dunno if did before
Xerxis2
7/8/8/4/13/19/10
Tough
Pathfinder
Cav
Fury 5
Lamentor 2/15
War Standard 2/12
Mount .5/14
WB29
19 boxes
Sprint
Teample Power Attack
Lamentor
Brutal Charge
Mount
Knockdown
Pitch * Attack
Ignite
Mobility
Petrify COST 3 RNG 10 AOE3 POW 13/18/10
Warrior Models hit by Petrify become stationary for one round
Feat - Same
Surprise everyone, post legion spoiler instead of circle as the last one.
>>47407069
Bradigus!
>>47407086
>>47407076
As you wish
>>47407088
>>47407086
>>47407036
Still waiting for some McBain spoilers.
>>47407131
>PC 2
Que?
>>47406622
IIRC: Anastasia is an advance instead of advance + attacks. I think she's otherwise unchanged didn't look close.
Didn't look at Acosta much at all. I believe he lost a bit of output but still hits hard. So expect a tiny nerf.
>>47407036
Fuck that, how about those promised Ret spoilers!?!
>>47407160
I second this. MACBAIIIN
>>47407113
I concur this is the best course of action
>>47407189
literally fuck off
>>47407155
>sic em works on wolves of Orboros now too
Nice desu ne
>>47406781
What does windstorm do?
Not a Circle player, but Morv2 is pretty much the same now correct?
>>47407189
Sorry distracted by Circle. Will post when I grab lunch
Here's Brad guys, off to go do work after this
>>47407236
It's just Stormwall
>>47407240
>>47407254
When I post layer I'm just going to do text spoilers. Grabbing screen shots and fighting with Capcha sucks
>>47407274
>>47407254
>>47407240
>>47407274
sounds good. Thank you spoilerbro
I like how Brad's feat is now useless with Wold Guardians since they can't be pushed.
>>47407240
Stalker and Feral? :)
>>47407274
>Mystic Wards is just a flat out upkeep now
>repair is D3+3
>lost critical smite on melee
Well that's neat
>>47407213
Whoa there guy, we're all here for spoilers. No need to go alpha for once in your life.
>>47407334
Stalker has been spoiled already
>>47407353
>we're all here for spoilers
Nah man not all of us found out a warmahordes thread of 4chan exists because spoilers were posted.
>>47407254
Same cost, abilities and everything?
>>47407239
She's similar, yes. But they changed two of the things about her that made her ballbusting. She can't transfer Scales damage anymore, and the feat only brings back troopers. She'll still be good.
>>47407364
Bah missed it, thanks!
Feral oh Spoiler God?
Once I go to lunch here in an hour I will post Ret stuff since other folks are leaking Circle now.
Let me know what you want to see and I'll type it up
Alternatively, if you want to see something other than Ret let me know.
Any Menoth love up in this?
Surely someone has the Menoth cards. Will pay with tits.
>>47407406
UPON YOUR RETURN WE BEG BRING THE EVERBLIGHT SPOILERS, SPOILER GOD!
>>47405677
That is legit as fuck. Imperatus got better. Less points, a decent bond. Side step was nerfed, but it's still an innate ability which I love. Good time to be a Ret player.
>>47407239
And of course, giving her a much less powerful member of the Purification family...
>>47407406
MENOTH!! :)
Will bribe with Trolls/Cryx
>>47407406
Do the better elves, anything legion.
Full Seraph would be very nice, and Angelius.
>>47407406
Pretty sure what most Ret people want to see are 'casters and warjacks.
I don't think any of the Vyre stuff has been spoiled yet.
Personally I want to see Rahn and Thyron. Hoping Giant Elf finally has that Martial Discipline they promised in the primecast prior to his release.
>>47407406
Ret please spoiler bro.
That things I would like to see :
Stormfall Archer;
Destor;
Houseguard Thane;
Halbardier.
Thank you :D
>>47407406
We had two votes for Vyros and Stormfall my good goy.
>>47407406
We've literally seen no Menoth
Let's see some Reznicks
>>47407406
Dawnguard Destors and Mage Hunter Infiltrators ! I'm really curious about them :)
>>47407366
You know it's not impressive to brag about being a regular on 4chan right.
>>47407443
Looks like Grievous wounds prevents Phoenix protocol though..
>>47407406
I would love Moros and Arcantrik Force Generator spoilers. Perhaps Helios/Hyperion if you have the time.
Thanks.
>>47406312
I totally agree on the point about sac pawn. It was generally better because of how it fit into the game as a whole.
There is this sorta retarded thing PP does where shooty armies had the most access to ignoring stealth. Case in point being Lylyth 2.
So even though stealth is suppose to be the "answer" to shooting, the guys that shoot the best ignore the most stealth...
So yeah that sucks, but wardens have shield guard and are cheap as shit. So I can see them being the cleaning baby sitting the back line.
Tough nerf is sorta bad. The monstrosity buff was super good though, so there is that.
ET couldn't camp for shit anyway because he spent his stack. Cyphon does it better now.
We still put out a shitload of damage I think given that benders aren't changed. I think we'll be in a good spot especially in a jack heavy meta.
I assume the TAC were spoiled already? Having trouble finding all the previous spoiler threads.
>>47407514
Shit, I forgot about Moros. I'll second that.
He didn't see much play in MKII due to being an assassin with shit assassination skills. It'd be interesting to see where they take him.
>>47407496
Well shit. Fortunately I don't suck ass at the game so I can mitigate that from happening as much as I can. It still will happen, but knowing that grievous wounds denies the resurrection will alter my game plan.
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-05-23-2016
>Farrow now have Pathfinder & Tough Inherent
Good for piggies
>Gatormen lose 3hp, 1 MAT, & lose their prayer to gain Pathfinder
Ya know I would have been okay with losing the HP & MAT since they got tough and still have the reroll melee attacks prayer but what the fuck. Why did they lose the ability to gain pathfinder? That's stupid.
>>47407406
If you want to spoil a little Cygnar, Nemo2 would be great. I love this old guy. Or maybe his jack, Dynamo.
If you want to talk about Retribution, Moros would be nice.
>>47407537
Yeah. The combination of speed 6, no reach, and no pathfinder was a kick in the dick. I love the model and really want to play him, but as is, he's pretty shitty,
>>47407406
Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen, thank you!
>>47407556
>bothering with insider when all of minions was leaked two or three threads ago
>>47407406
Merc-fag again. I'd be glad to know anything about our character jacks.
Also the vanguard (Pow14?).
If you are doing other factions now that's ok too.
Btw if you did mention a little v1 thing on the upper right edge of the card for Bradigus.
So things might change HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(All hail Scorne!)
>>47406781
You gotta be kidding me. Fucking Krueger 2s feat makes it through.
>>47407624
it doesn't prevent charging anymore, so there's that.
Kruger2 feat is not as bad on mk3. You can now still run/charge
>>47407036
"Return one destroyed non-character living friendly faction trooper model"
Is this 1 wound infantry only? Or can she put back those blobs of "apparently" 8 boxes-soon-to-be-beasts Skinwalkers as well? And if so, how much health do they get?
Any chance of an Orin Midwinter spoiler? I wanna know if Skorne's best solo survived intact.
>>47407605
Just because I happen to be looking at them right now I can tell you that they are unchanged.
Rosey Nancy costs 18 and went up to p+s 18
Gallant just always has Purgation now and his bond with Conny is Shield Guard. Also went up to p+s 18 and costs 17 points
>>47407662
Lost Null Magic but now starts the game with three power tokens. Otherwise he is the same.
>>47407406
Would really like to see some of legions lesser used stuff, like lylth3, beast mistress, or some of the units, like blight blades, archers etc.
>>47407690
So that's a no, he's shit now.
Well he can ZAP quite nicely now.
>>47407572
He should have had Assault so he could paralyze shit and go in for the kill. He may actually have been the threat he was intended to be for warbeasts if he didn't have to worry about boosting to hit and could up his damage instead.
>>47407657
It's any warrior grunt model and it's full HP. Bring back those skinwalkers and wolf riders baby
>>47407717
2 activations of ZAP will be alright I suppose, but now we're just getting down to a question of what's the best way of clearing out infantry in Skorne.
>>47407707
I play Mercs so I'm a bit biased but I think he's still pretty cool. Skorne has no reason to take him sadly.
Boostable magic attacks that eleap are cool for certain match up. He also costs 5 points now so while he's good, you're just not going to be taking him for the same reasons. I guess his usefulness will depend on how common incorporeal is in mk3
>>47407690
>>47407690
Fuck, I was really looking to be including him in my army now that contracts are gone.
I never could because Highborn.
>>47407707
>>47407690
He has arcane vortex now.
>>47407663
Could you do the Basher please?
I'd like details on the Trench Buster and Trencher Master Gunner, if possible.
>>47407797
Missed that, my mistake
>>47407797
But do I really want Orin to be within 3" of something good?
spoilerbro have Protectorate or just Circle/Ret?
thx noble anon
AND THE TEP PULLS A BUFF OUT OF MK3!
HOW DOES IT DO IT?
>>47407837
Yes?
>>47407846
Hello friend, it is I, teasing Cryx anon. I have all the cards.
>>47407853
But it can just walk up to him and punch him.
>>47407837
I mean, I assume he still has stealth. Just stealth and wait for spells to say NOTHX
>>47407406
Please Spoil Rahn he's my fav caster in the game!
>>47407846
Let me know what you want to learn about. A lot of Protectorate has already been leaked
>>47407862
This the text of the rule. He just needs to be with three of stuff you want to protect
ARCANE VORTEX – This model can immediately negate any spell that
targets it or a model within 3˝ of it by spending one power token. The
negated spell does not take effect, but its COST remains spent.
>>47407868
He still needs to cast a spell to get stealth
>>47407858
Any chance we could see the Vanquisher (beyond a portrait and 4 SPD)?
any info on elara and nayl they are so bad and i want to put them on the table so bad
>>47407886
Kreoss3 would be great (if there is new info beyond what's in the Teaser and Insider threads)
>>47407886
>Let me know what you want to learn about. A lot of Protectorate has already been leaked
you really don't want to spoil anything related to Ret, do you?
>>47407886
Reznicks silvousplait
>>47407925
Nobody likes the knife ears, but I'm typing up Rahn right now
>>47407890
Here you go friend, I like PoM. Teasing Cryx anon always delivers.
>>47407971
thank you, based teaser. Does it still have Thresher?
>>47407984
It does indeed. Nothing else on the back.
>>47407886
Oh shit, he can counter shit that targets ANY model? Okay I immediately see why this is good. I assume this doesn't work on units, right? Like, he can't protect an entire unit by being in range of just one model, right?
>>47407663
Almost forgot to thank you, spoilerbro.
I'm thinking mule + roccinante OR gallant for ashlynn now, for 18+15 = 33 out of 29 warjack points. So a bit over.
Maybe rocci/gallant + vanguard depending on its points.
Thanks for the Orin spoiler by the way. Dunno if that's the first spoiler or not, but either way I hadn't seen it.
>>47408013
Not sure I want Gallant with Ashlynn anymore. He no longer has Shield Guard with her.
Can i have the Stat line for Errants?
>>47407961
Like I said earlier, I'm really grateful for what you're doing. It's just that it's night where I live and since you said you wanted to post some more Ret I decided to stay up. Seeing you practically avoiding all questions about Ret and going for Circle, Mercs and Menoth is a bit... frustrating.
>>47407406
Elara please.
She's so shit right now, she has to have gotten better.
>>47408051
Rocinante has always been the best choice
Here's Rahn, sorry Ret friends
>>47408051
B.but purgation +2 free focus is so juicy. I ran TACS anyway so I got clouds. :3
>>47408007
You are my hero
>>47408064
Sorry anon, it's noon here and I didn't think about that. What do you want to see?
>>47407971
More Menoth Teaser Bro! :)
>>47408090
--> >>47406713
please, thank you!
>>47408078
If you're throwing in Versh I can see it. I can't think of any other Morrowan models worth taking with Ashlynn. You're paying quite a few points for the +1 focus (potentially) and Purgation though vs bringing a Nomad.
The people cry out for Kreoss3
>>47408070
>>47408090
>>47408114
>no longer has to upkeep Force Field
Beautiful.
People are going to take four Chimeras with this nigga with the new PC. Thanks spoilerbro.
I'm feeling good right now so I'm willing to share a few more, what models do you guys want to see?
>>47408138
Versh is good, and he and Gallant will be okay, but probably not as good as just a Nomad.
Now, if Gallant had Dispel, that'd be another story.
>>47408161
Kreoss3, teaser overlord
>>47408161
Menoth, Menoth, Menoth :)
>>47408161
Angelius my new glorious overlord
>>47408164
Honestly I just want a solid No KD option for Ashlynn that's not something she has to stand B2B with and get blasted off the board.
>>47408070
Thanks! Keep it up. Rahn looks pretty much the same with the exception of Force Field being an innate ability.
Txs for spoilers. Do you have any info on phaley ?
>>47408183
I second this.
And add Seraph.
>>47408172
Reposition 3 and +1 ARM are the only changes to him besides his spell list changes. Oh, he counts as an exemplar now (for Gravus) and has 28 wjp.
>>47407971
Yay! Legion lost their continuous fire AOE and protectorate kept theirs. It can't be about faction identity since that dwarf makes his whole battlegroup continuous fire.
>>47408218
Harby? Pwetty please :)
Anonbro You are the master of spoilers. Can You show pirates especially magnificent Bart and famous Shae ?
>>47408218
THANK YOU
>>47408233
Dude, do you need to ask like such a fag?
>>47408183
>>47408210
Backside as always, overtake, repulse, serpentine, AP. Now we will return to our scheduled teasing.
>>47408246
It gained attention didn't it? ;)
Can you share the Black 13 cards?
Is there a possibility for you to show as sth from Khador.. Like e.g. 3Bucther ?
>>47408161
Deathwalker always makes me laugh.
It's like
>"Hey my niggas, Goreshade here! Check out my new undead gf, all posin' Frazetta style an' shit!"
And everyone else, especially Vyros, is all:
>"Man Goreshade get the fuck on, nobody wants to be smellin' your nasty ass grave ho."
>>47408256
Armor piercing as an action or as an ability?
>>47408090
Sorry to hound on a point someone else has been making but is stormwall or windwall exactly the same
Armorpiercing is half armour on small bases...
So vs a arm 14 warcaster this Angel is dice +7... nice.
>>47408280
Star attack. Works on small based models now though. Needs to give up the bite to AP unless star attack rules change.
Could we see Aiakos and Zaadesh?
>>47408256
Interesting, I heard it lost Repulse.
Thank you though!
>>47408218
Gravus seems to be a key piece then. Any spoil about him?
>>47408301
Still pretty nice. Overall a point reduction.
Oh God my poor phone can't handle all these pdfs and my connection just took a dump. Sorry guys, bare with me here
>>47408161
Gravus, dark lord
>>47408369
Help your poor phone and mega that shit
>>47408332
>>47408389
Ok you little scoundrels, one more card spoil. Gravus is 9 points, otherwise unchanged front. Hope you are satisfied now, my friends.
I'd love to see the Tactical Arcanist Corps rules if you've got those handy.
Also if Thor is still a jack marshal and if he has a drive.
Fianlly, the Ghordson Basher. Thanks!
Gorshade1 Spell list please
>>47408369
Has the Reckoner changed apart from loosing assault and +1pow on the gun? mainly hoping it keeps flare. also if you feel like sharing Reznik 1's card that'd be fine too
Don't need an image; does Artillerist still work the way it did in MK2?
>>47408256
Mind posting kallus or lylth3?
>>47408403
Is he a venger now though?
Nice, crevasse now specified that the spray can target models in the back arc as well.
>>47408428
Agreed more Menoth !
>>47408451
Ahh, too much of a good thing will ruin it. But as a massive fan of Kallus I can tell you his feat now grants +3 DEF instead of 2.
>>47408462
No, but he has divine inspiration anyway.
>>47408500
Then why isn't it on the back of the card? Is it a icon keyword now?
>>47408500
Neat. still makes incubii, right?
>>47408530
Ahh, I'm sorry my friend, I thought you were talking Kreoss3. Gravus is indeed a venger solo and does NOT have divine inspiration base. He does get it from Kreoss3.
>>47408544
Yes, ofc.
I dont know if Saxon has been spoiled yet, but does he still hand out pathfinder?
>>47408218
Really hoping to see Amon's spell list. Preparing Menoth for Mk2, seeing his spell card influences what I start painting...
I'd really, really like to see skorne praetorians. swordsmen can't have gotten worse, right? ......right? Hoksune will see me through this....
>>47408500
He's asking if Gravus has access to Divine Inspiration (does the front of his card have the Venger keyword)
>>47408566
He has and he does
>>47408500
Thanks for Menoth love. Blessings upon you.
How about the humble Wrack?
>>47408579
Swordsmen have 1" range now. They look about on par with Nihilators now.
How are the Tactical Arcanists Corps looking right now? I bought 3 of them for Searforge, how sad am I gonna be?
>>47408610
Amon, please be good this edition
>>47408610
I've heard rumors that he has native tough again and that his feat has changed. Confirm/deny? Also, thanks for doing the Creator's work!
I don't even care about images. I've heard that the Trench Buster lost Girded but received Shield Guard and Brutal Charge. Is this true?
Has the Trencher Master Gunner changed at all?
>>47408623
>>47408570
He has FORTIFIED his spell list in preparation for MK3.
>>47408116
OK, sorry Ret friend. I fixed my network issue and we're off
>>47408643
I'm ready!
>>47408116
>>47408638
Feat change at all?
>>47408589
Less chance to blow up and they are bought separately but only cost 1 point each, praise the Creator!
>>47408632
I'm sorry, it's in my teasing evil nature to not hand out too much of the good stuff.
Banshee really didn't change. nice.
>>47408596
Thanks, UA still the same? between willbreaker, new krea and mak 2 i suppose they'll see play. was always more attracted to the praetorians than cataphracts anyhow. Id also really like to know how the new flare works on slingers, since they cant hit themselves. got battlecolleged to get a full unit back when i first started collecting skorne.
>>47408694
+1 P&S
- 1(2) PC
that's not a huge change, but a good one.
>>47408369
I will gather the most frequent requests from Ret people for when you return:
Dawnguard Destors
Mage Hunter Infiltrators
Stormfall Archers
Nayl
Garryth
Issyria
Ravyn
Thanks man ! Ret is finally getting some love spoiler-wise :)
>>47406181
Mah dude Thyron
>>47408689
Perhaps you would be interested in spoiling some of the HR's spells then? I heard he gets Hand of Fate.
>>47408676
To be fair, only two of those are me (the bottom two).
>>47408741
Anyway I can get Shade1 spell list?
What about cygnar's black 13 and swordknights? Would it be too much to ask?
>>47408733
He did indeed. Burning ash costs two now and is ignored by fire immune models.
>>47408760
It's been spoiled in multiple places. Main change is Mage blight swapped for Lamentation.
>>47408783
>black 13th
Already spoiled. Read the fucking threads you retarded pieces of shit
>>47408807
is the feat the same?
Alright, done with cards for now. I'll let other Spoilerbros take over and answer questions as they come up
>>47408802
Fire immune models ignore the penalty while within or they can just see through it? I assume the former but with how crazy this edition has been I could see the latter.
>>47408643
>>47408665
>>47408741
>>47408757
>>47408837
awesome, you*re the man!
Destors point cost and abilities?
Also Destor Thane.
Does anyone have the Sanctifier card? I heard it got ashen veil and fire immune for reasons.
>>47408665
Anyssa Ryvaal
legionnaires
raptors :D
>>47408897
>>>47408783
>>black 13th
>Already spoiled. Read the fucking threads you retarded pieces of shit
the whole reckoner chassis has ashen veil and fire immune I think
Overall Convergence stuff
Aurora's feat is now Parry and Reposition 5", kept Transference(Now called Arcane Might).
Lost Cadre for Angels
Otherwise identical, 29WJ points
Mother basically the same, no longer an arc node herself, servitors are no longer arc nodes either.
Servitors gained gunfighter.
27 WJ points, Jesus
Axis - +1 ARM, Iron Aggression costs 1 less
30WJ points
Lucant - Generally nerfed.
Picked up native Pathfinder
Lost Shield Guard himself
His weapon now just causes stationary on a warjack, which is better.
Got Deflection
Discontinuity is COST 3 upkeep that gives battlegroup dispel
Watcher changed to what we've seen. Only once a turn, must move towards the model that triggered the event. Doesn't expire however.
28WJ
Syntherion - Stats the same.
Magnetic Hold kept it's no charging clause, which is amazing.
Reconstruct is now completely within 3"
Feat is the same, though uses Dual Attack wording now. Syntherion once again does not benefit from his feat
27WJ
Assimilator - Cost the same(x2), Ground Pounder now requires LOS, but uses the POW of the weapon.
Cipher - 16 points, identical. Reload 1
Conservator - 12 points, identical
Diffuser same cost, identical, change to Circular Vision
Galvanizer 5 points, identical
Inverter 15 points, Macropummeler picked up 2" range
Mitigator 7 points, identical
Modulator - 10 points, identical
Monitor - same cost, unchanged(True sight now ignores clouds)
Prime Axiom - +1 STR, 49 points, identical
Angels 5 points, identical
>>47408915
My bad then. I could have sworn I had already seen a Reckoner card without Fire Immunity. Could be going crazy.
>>47408643
Base p+s 18? My dick is ready.
>>47408712
Add Moros to that list
We should probably start a new thread soon
>>47408799
>>47408643
Now start my question for Mark III.
Banshee is 18 point and a Sphinx 13.
Banshee is well worth those 5 extra point over spinph, but with 36 point I get 2x Banshee while with 39 point I get 3x Sphinx.
With the limited information I still have I don't understand what will be the way to go in MKIII.
>>47408940
I may be wrong, but that's what I heard. We know the Castigator does, and I had heard the other two do as well.
There is someone here who can confirm...
>>47408712
Thyron and Moros have been mentioned a lot too.
>>47408799
Sphinx is solid as fuck!
>>47408812
Can you point a fellow retarded piece of shit to where the Black 13 were spoiled? Can't find them in any of the threads.
>>47408712
please let us know if Elara is decent too
>>47408998
yeah, it doesn't have anything super special, but P&S 17 on 13 pts. is really good.
>>47408931
>lucant
already had native pathfinder
>prime Axiom - 49pts
Holy shit! Did you mean health boxes?
Inverter and aurora changes are nice. Also I thought axis weapons went up to rng 1"
>>47409040
the spell range extension is nice.
>>47408931
Eradicators 9/15, lost parry on side steps, identical
Obstructors 7/11, identical
Optifex Directive identical
Perforators 11/18 identical
Reciprocators picked up CMA, 11/18
Redcutors 8/13, identical
>>47409012
Seconded.
Elara and Moros are probably the two things that needed the most changes.
>>47409040
And the 5 points saved can bring in a support solo, UA, or complete a unit.
Woldwatcher please
>>47409040
And that +3 RNG under Rahn's feat can be neat. RNG 15" force bolts !
>>47408643
>>47408741
>>47408799
Man, the art for Vyre 'jacks makes them look amazing.
All of these guys are extremely solid now, by the way. Sphinxes with Thyron could be amazing for cleaving through infantry and having enough POW to tear into heavies.
>>47409040
+3 RNG to spell can help Battle Mages pulling or pushing things farther.
Daemon too is not to uderstimate with natural P+S 16 and blessed.
>>47408712
>Destors
I'm worried you guys are going to be disappointed
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
8 6 7 6 13 17 9
Assault
Gunfighter
LANCE CANNON
RNG ROF AOE POW
10 1 — 12
LANCE
RNG POW P+S
* 8 14
5 boxes
12/20
Reposition 3
Quick Work
Lance
Their better, but still not that good
>>47409128
Assault + Lance rule = Skornegy at his finest.
>>47408931
Thank you spoilerbro!
In line with field marshals only affecting jacks/beasts, did Axis/Aurora/Syntherion pick up Counter Charge/Apparition/Auto-Repair on their cards or have their lost access to those abilities?
Can Syntherion repair stuff himself now?
Any changes to the Steelsoul Protector besides the spoiled Weapon Master? A MAT boost is kinda needed...
Did the servitors change at all? Don't need to know about DEF/ARM tweaks, more special rules and roles.
Thank you again spoilerbro - you have delivered where PP's insider did not :D
>>47408712
>Mage Hunter Infiltrators
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
7 6 6 4 14 11 8
Pathfinder
Stealth
Blade x2
RNG POW P+S
0.5 3 9
Blessed
Gang
8/13
>>47409157
Lance rule needs to die in a fire
>>47408500
dark lord, we learned there were changes to both the range and pow of the Hand of Judgment's gun.
Did it go up to SP10 or down to SP6? POW 13 or 15?
>>47409128
Assualt and quick work?
So a charge consists of shoot, impact attacks, charge attacks, then shooting again followed by a 3 inch movement?
Is anyone keeping a running text document of all these changes somewhere?
Deneghra The Soulweaver please?
>>47408931
Also, did anything gain Electrical damage (Modulator and Synth had it already)? Still trying to work out how the Prime Conflux will fit in to the army...
>>47409157
Not really. You assault with gun fighter, shoot the guy and then bunch him in the face. You then Reposition away.
>>47408712
>Stormfall Archers
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
5 4 5 5 13 13 6
Great Bow
RNG ROF AOE POW
12 1 3 12
Attack type
BRUTAL SHOT – Gain an additional die on the damage roll against a model directly hit.
• SNIPE – This attack gains +4 RNG.
• STAR STRIKE – This attack causes no damage. Instead, on a direct hit models in the AOE suffer the Fire continuous effect
Sword (Why? Just why?)
RNG POW P+S
0.5 3 7
9 points FA 2
>>47409009
literally this thread
With gun fighter, isn't it shoot, impact, charge, shoot, shoot?
>>47409263
>Not really. You assault with gun fighter, shoot the guy and then bunch him in the face. You then Reposition away.
I think what they're saying is if you assault, kill the target, then you have killed the charge target and can no longer attack with the lance since its no longer a charge attack.
>>47409188
Have any Menoth Bro? Like;
Reckoner
Harby
Any other jacks
Any other casters that look interesting
>>47409280
well if you assult your charge target and kill it you cant use your lance as its no longer a charge and cant proc quick work
>>47408712
>Nayl
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
7 7 7 3 13 12 7
AD, Soulless, Stealth
Sword
RNG POW P+S
1 6 13
Blessed, Magical
ARCANE ANNIHILATION – When this model is destroyed by an enemy
attack, models within 8˝ of it lose their focus and fury points and
cannot cast spells, channel spells, or be forced for one round.
SPELL WARD – This model cannot be targeted by spells.
5 boxes, 3 Points
>>47409188
No mage killer? Fucking Hell! That's a huge let down.
Someone posted the full legion PDF to the legion community on the pp forums
>>47407745
That is disgustingly retarded, even for privateer press. They loose out on skinwalker sales rate or what?
>>47409227
SP10 POW13
>>47408931
Any changes to the Transverse Enumerator?
Perforators under Aurora (flight + parry = omg) are going to be terrifying enough as it is. Throw in some Attunement Servitors flying over first and flaring the target and (potentially) re-roll to hit from the UA and you have a rage-quit situation right there.
>>47409324
Arcane Annihilation got stronger, but still has the propensity to kick yourself in the dick.
>>47408931
>49 points
What the fuck, you meant 39 right?
>>47409304
Yes, but we're on the Ret hype train right now. Menoth is later
Elara
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
6 6 6 4 15 14 6
Focus 4
Parry
Sickle x2
RNG POW P+S
0.5
EXTRACTION – When an enemy model is destroyed by this attack, one
warjack in this model’s battlegroup that is in its control range gains
1 focus point.
Apparition
Side Step
Convection
Speed of Death
3 SELF CTRL – UP NO
When a model in the spellcaster’s battlegroup hits one or more enemy
models with a melee or ranged attack during its activation while it
is in the spellcaster’s control range, at the end of its activation the
attacking model can make a full advance. The affected model cannot
be targeted by free strikes during this movement
5 boxes, 4 points
All cards except Cygnar and Trolls leaked. Have fun.
http://www.megafileupload.com/jnKb/cards.zip
>>47409324
>When this model is destroyed by an enemy attack
Looks like Nayl is staying in the trash.
>>47409359
That person was promptly banned
>>47409437
But anyone downloaded it?
Taking another break to go do real world job stuff. Let me know what ret stuff you want to see next.
>>47409416
Much muuuuuuuuuuch better for Elara.
>>47409425
borked
>>47409473
The Arcantrik Force Generator would be great to hear about
Ha, nvm. Guess we're done here guys. The Russians are posting the whole God damn thing. Who ever makes the new thread should include this
http://warmachine.ru/bez-rubriki/pdf-vseh-fraktsij/
>>47409416
Thats an improvement!
>>47409425
Doesn't load for me.
>>47409473
Thyron and Moros would be great.
>>47409473
Moros please! Also the Arcantrik Force Generator.
>>47409520
Thanks based Khadorans!
>>47409520
>thread goes silent as everyone looks at pdfs
Cygnar.... Cygnar!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
>>47409638
I actually have to work now, oh well
>>47409520
>http://warmachine.ru/bez-rubriki/pdf-vseh-fraktsij/
>No cygnar
Am I blind? Otherwise fuck.
>>47409407
38, in fact
>>47409257
Nope
>>47409184
Synth, Axis, and Aurora kept their Field Marshals
I wonder how my main man Ossyan is doing. Future Sight and Deadeye are bother rather hefty, so I wonder where he took the nerfbat to...
>>47409070
Transverse Enumerator
FA 3, PC3
Realignment is just attack rolls, lost the LOS ability, picked up Practiced Maneuvers
Acccretion Servitors 2 points, identical(Bodge is just Repair 1
ADO Identical, just channels now(no within 6" of a warjack).
Attunment Servitors 4 points, AOE is now 3
Elimination Servitors 3 points, identical
Reflex Servitors Identical
Steelsoul, picked up Weaponmaster, otherwise identical
TEP: The fucking fun part.
Picked up 1 RAT(!), picked up 1 POW on the spray(!!). 19 points, no longer has targeting restrictions on the gun(!!!).
Servitor placement is broken on the card(requires the 30mm model to be placed completely within 1" of the TEP, which is impossible).
Still not seen anything on one of cygnar's most important models - Journeyman Warcaster
Can anyone assist???
>>47409520
>won't fucking load
dammit
>>47409052
Yea, meant 38. And yea, they did.
Also, I've been playing Lucant wrong for years.
>>47409876
>http://warmachine.ru/bez-rubriki/pdf-vseh-fraktsij/
Because 10,000 gronads are all trying to download it from the same tiny russian site.
hi is the same as now but cost 4 pts (not shure about that)but he have to had at least on jack in his bg
>>47409888
The Russians right now
Ugh, no Troll decks? Somebody save me!
>>47409876
Did you try "to save as" to iniitiate a download instead of opening it?
Worked for me.
LEGIT
Its so nice to finally have the cards and see all the small little changes like
>ashlyn lost quick draw for no reasons
>gallant immun vs enemy spells
>rocci AOE 4
>and so on and so on
I'm autist happy.
>>47409854
>TEP: The fucking fun part.
>Picked up 1 RAT(!), picked up 1 POW on the spray(!!). 19 points, no longer has targeting restrictions on the gun(!!!).
Jesus. That's really nasty.
>>47409888
And all the cygnar and troll bloods guys are sitting here holding our cocks.
>hutchuck not in the spoilers
d-did he keep earthquake grenade?
Spoiler bro, any possible way to see all of gore 2? or is he relatively the same?
>>47410093
Is this guy for fucking real
Literally didn't read thread
literally didn't see pdfs
fucking jokes these beggers
>khador infantry and jacks got buffed all across the board
>cheap as fuck mows with desperate pace
>behemoth lobs 2 fully boosted 4 aoes
>melee jacks have the best baseline melee stats in the game
>Zerkova 1 is the new Haley 2
Who ready for mk3 khadormachine?
>>47410122
PP vomited out something to appease the hordes of mk2 khador whiners
So the Venator Catapult really is 5 points, with a FA of 2. Why wouldn't you just bring them every game? POW16 AOE4 RNG18 seems like exactly what you want to deal with infantry.
Any mirrors? Just got the legion book downloaded but can't get any others servers are fucked it seems
So quiet all of a sudden
>>47409980
Now this I like. I can see this fella harass infantry, dragging below and reposition behind enemy with animus active with a "bring it" face on it.
>>47404271
Alternatively, consider this:
>Xekaar
>Marketh
>Agonizer(s)
>Krea(s)
>PGTaskmasters
>Crocs/etc
I think that he'll be a good Minions warlock, and others have thought the same. Add in whatever our Slingers end up really being like and perhaps Croak Raiders (Flare is supposed to be a good force multiplier for basically any ranged unit, right?) and you've got a cute lil force. Maybe not top tier, but it's something.
I'm more excited for a Mordikaar mobility list with Void Spirits and Ferox as well as Ghostly to set up some unexpected alpha strikes. Not sure what's changing for Despoiler in Mk3 though.
Hammerfall High Shields:
>gained combined melee
>lost ranked attacks
>lost jack marshal
>everything same as in mk2 except UA ist 2,5 old-points
>mfw
>>47410198
Whole package https://www.dropbox.com/s/bvsntp25lz1jmh2
>>47410274
New Thread
>>47409520
>Moros is even worse with anyone but Garryth
Ret has been so weird in this edition shift. Nearly everything that was already pretty good got buffed, whereas everything that was near useless either stayed about as shit or got worse.
They're looking great as a faction, but the number of unusable models has stayed about the same.
>steelhead riflemen are the exact same
>except they're 14 points for 10
>down 2 entire Mk2 points
Jesus
>>47410428
They were already pretty amazing with Damiano in Mk2. Nice.
>>47408931
>Prime Axiom - +1 STR
BUT MY PRIME NUMBERS
>>47410439
Yeah exactly and now they're all of 1.5 Mk2 points more expensive than a full unit of halberdiers. Shits awesome
>>47410537
It was STR 16 before, now it's STR17
It gained a prime.
>>47409746
Absolutely nothing! His gun is no longer that weird AoE 4" rule, and causes strait up -2 def and spd (RoF 1). Ossyan is going to be ball busting