MTG: EMA SPOILERS

That's a good reprint. Are they doing really shitty art on purpose?

Don't mean to be a dick here, but exactly what the fuck is there to be excited about when it's all reprints and we're not going to get the reprints necessary to play Constructed with the cards we open.

Like, Modern Masters is Modern Masters; I could see all the (bad) reasons why they limited the print run and jacked up the prices and dropped the booster count per box. But this is Eternal Masters, the formats are fucking barren of players; just completely fucking dead due to the Reserve List - so what is the reason why you would limit the printing of this product when the cards are going to see nearly zero constructed play. People aren't going to START playing Legacy/Vintage because they got these cards.

I can't believe these boxes aren't going to rot on shelves. I can't believe that with even less usefulness than Modern Masters product people still want it at these inflated prices.

>>47402363
>People aren't going to START playing Legacy/Vintage because they got these cards

Oh but they will, don't underestimate human stupidity. In fact I am very certain that every single card printed in EMA will go up in price even though new ones get added to the pool

I'm mostly excited for it because it'll have cool strong cards and I want to draft it with friends

>>47402363
Let's face it, most of us any bit interested in Eternal Masters at this point are Pauper players hoping for Daze, Oubliette abd Chain Lightning to be reprinted.

We're one step closer to that happening.

>>47402394
Woah, what happened? When I got Oubliette it wasn't much

>>47402422
Is 17 dollars "not that much"? Because it should be, by Pauper standards circa 2015-16.

>>47402428
I got mine a bunch of years back, looks like it spiked pretty decently

>>47402363
If FoW goes down I will start playing Legacy

>>47402392
So you think someone's going to say "cool, I opened a Force of Will? Better go spend $1000 on duals to use it!

>>47402363
I see this more as a product for people who already play eternal formats. I'm excited to buy new cards so that I can throw together more decks. The way its looking, the only good cards in the set are going to be mythic, but a potential Recruiter reprint is pretty clutch.

>>47402392
See, I don't understand why you would draft this. Prices being what they are it's going to cost you $45 for each of you to draft. It's not a matter of money, it's principle; Wizards should be allowed to profit from this. I acknowledge that you acknowledge you're making a stupid decision to pay to draft this thing.

It's not that I can't afford it, it's just all fucked up. I mean I can't believe Magic players are THIS fucking stupid. Scratch that, I do believe it but I just can't believe that year after year they reveal themselves to new lows of retardation I could not imagine.

I remember one night after FNM I wanted to go for a sandwich and asked if anybody wanted to go and some people said no because they couldn't afford it. And it just baffles me because while some of them are legit poor, some of them drop $800 on a playset of original duals and they can't afford a fucking $8 sandwich.

>>47402344
I'm actually glad they wasted a Mythic slot on this, more chance for money cards in the rare slot.

R-right?

>>47402344
Oh hey that's some quality art. Still I don't think it should be Mythic, Mythics should be cards that see a lot of play, cards that people will jump up and down if they pull them.

This is a "Oh hey that's nice" at best.

>>47402453
I know it's off topic but
>8$ sandwich

What?

>>47402452
>So you think someone's going to say "cool, I opened a Force of Will? Better go spend $1000 on duals to use it!

They did with modern and they will with legacy. Maybe even if there is no legacy scene at their LGS. People do stupid shit all the time.

>>47402472
>Mythics should be cards that see a lot of play

Hello and fucking kill yourself, MaRo.

>>47402477
I just don't understand how people can justify spending $800 on cardboard and prioritize that over socializing over a meal.

>>47402330
I like the art though.

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>>47402492

>>47402472
>Mythics should be cards that see a lot of play
No. It's bad enough that the lands necessary to play every deck are Rares. God, even staple effects like removal are being printed at Rare now too.

>>47402481
You open a goyf, you're 15% of your way to a modern deck.

You open a force, you're maybe 3%.

Hate to burst your bubble, but "everyone's dumb but me" is a pretty stupid thing to believe.

Good so far, 4/4 on no modern legal cards. Let's see if we can keep it that way.

>>47402505
Its more like someone opens a FoW and realizes that combining it with one ofs of all duals in their Commander decks, they are just about done building a legacy deck.

>>47402461
I opened one from the first pack I ever bought, then one more from my first ever prerelease, and one more from yet another pack. Prices have at least halved since. This is clearly draft chaff. As I expected, Eternal Masters is gonna be 90% draft chaff, since one of the Mythics is this piece of shit.

When will you all learn "Limited designed, limited print run sets" are just there to leech off idiots that get swayed by hype?

>>47402513
Chrome Mox

3/4

>>47402496
That's fine, but can you acknowledge that its extremely digital?

>>47402492
My point was that a sandwich apparantly is 8 bucks over where you live, which seems absurd.

>>47402525
>Chrome Mox
>modern legal

>>47402525
Banned in modern, don't want to be hurting anyones feelings with fast mana.

>>47402539
>>47402540
Oh duh, my bad

>>47402489
Not trying to a Shecklegrubber McIsrael here but how would you define a Mythic then?, I think its pretty obvious that they are supposed to be overall stronger and better than rares, don't they?, otherwise it'd be pretty counterintuitive, a higher rarity for a lower power.

>>47402519
So, what you're saying is that if someone already owns most of a deck then opens a $50 card and decides to finish it, they're somehow making a mistake?

>>47402523

The worst is that they aren't even good for draft. Tarmogoyf is bad in draft, yet it had to be a fucking mythic. Daybreak Coronet reprinted when there are barely any other auras. So if MM wasn't to reduce prices and wasn't a good limited experience, what the fuck was it for?

>>47402558
>not selling it for $50 and joining me to socialize over $8 sandwiches on six future occasions

>>47402526
Yes.

Saying otherwise would be like refusing to acknowledge birds can fly.

>>47402547
To be fair, the modern ban list is gigantic and completely retarded.

>>47402552

>We want the flavor of Mythic Rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards. — Mark Rosewater

>>47402552

Mythic is for cards that either:
1) Would completely fuck up Limited if they appeared even as often as a Rare. This is only loosely correlated to the card's overall power level, because Limited has some very strange evolutionary pressures determining what is/isn't good, or
2) Are so complicated that judges would kill themselves explaining it to every Tom Dick and Jerry that pulled it from a pack.

>>47402580
Just saying, maybe your personality is the reason no one wants to get an $80 sandwich with you. The money's just a good excuse.

>>47402576
For the secondary market to profit, since by MaRo's garbage analysis, "Secondary Market" are the same as "Collectors", who are the same as "Players" anyway.

>>47402576
... If Tarmogoyf isn't bad in draft doesn't that mean you'd want to make it high rarity not to see it in draft too often?

Are mythics even THAT rare?, I always pull quite a few each set, some foils even. It seems to me like Mythics are yet another rare with a fancy expansion symbol.

>>47402591
If that's what MaRo said, why are you calling me MaRo when I said the exact opposite - that Mythics should be first and foremost powerful cards?

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>>47402688

Because he's a piece of shit that later straight up said Tarmogoyf was reprinted as a mythic rare to protect """""collectors""""". And because too many mythics printed right after he said that aren't "epic-feeling creatures and spells".

>>47402591
>a fucking mana rock that doesn't even fix mana that only goes in Belcher and janky stompy lists
>very special and unique
Wew lad, I hope Maro dies of cancer.
>>47402638
Mythics are a few times more rare than rares, although sometimes you just draft Avacyn and Arlinn Kord on the same day.

>>47402720
Again, are mythics that much rarer than rares?

I won't argue that's an incredibly shitty thing to say from a shitty person to a continuously shat on audience.

>>47402728
Goes in stompy and other storm variants. Its really not a bad card, it's just not that exciting. Did you expect 249 exciting cards?

>>47402753

Seeing as they show up about once every 8 packs, they are. Then each mythic slot has a chance of being something like a Comet Storm, further increasing the price of the mythics people do want.

>>47402788
No, but I didn't expect 5 dollar mana 2-for-1 mana rocks taking mythic slots when there are actually expensive non-reserved cards that need reprints hard but can't be rares either because Maro's nose is that sharp. The draft design argument is bullshit, already proven by the previous MM sets.

>>47402591
>They will not JUST be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards.
He later clarified / backpeddled on his blag that with that statement he meant that some of them will be.

I'm fine with chrome mox being mythic, because it does nothing in limited.

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Reminder that this card was in MM2015 which was a draft focused set

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>>47402812

That does nothing for the fact that shit like this is not a Planeswalker, legendary, or epic-feeling. It's straight up VALUE made mythic because fuck you.

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>>47402829
Reminder that this card was in Future Sight which was a set designed to draft.

>>47402788
>Did you expect 249 exciting cards?
It would have been nice. It seems like they tried with the first Modern Masters.

Did anyone ever play a draft with Daze at common? Does it warp drafts?

>>47402850

And unlike MM, that actually had auras.

>>47402858
daze isn't that great in drafts

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I NEED MORE SPOILERS

>>47402871
16 in future sight, 7 of which go on opponent's creatures.
The other 9 are all not white when this card is WW and majority are straight unplayable.

Don't try and make bullshit up about bad design choices, there are plenty of valid arguments you can make, don't make stupid ones.

>>47402924
Sorry, missed gift of granite, the power house limited allstar, my mistake.

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>>47402923

Why? Are you actually going to buy a box or paying for a shit draft? Don't forget that Commander is also an eternal format so don't be surprised when you pull a Kami of the Crescent Moon.

>>47402924
I wish they printed sprout swarm at common in mm2

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>>47402965
I'm only interested in one thing: the commons and uncommons. Because let's face it, those are the only cards who will have some impact on prices. So all I'm hoping for is some juicy stuff at lower rarity levels. I could care less about the Force and Mox reprints in the world.

>>47402999
Nice trips.

I'm just buying singles, hopefully the foiling process isn't shit like mm2. I'm really only in this for my edh decks to get some pimp. Hoping a foil FoW takes a price dive.

>>47403025
The Judge foil has already taken a massive dive post-EMA announcement.

>>47402965
But I do play Commander.

Honestly, would it be so bad if we did actually get Kami of the Crescent Moon at rare?, As lon as we don't get the fucking Kamigawa dragons at Mythic rare everything should be fine.

>>47402254
I'm glad this exists because I hate old cumface.

>>47402254
I am a huge fan of the new art work.

>It just feels right.

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>>47403267
>>47403272
>not liking superior bukkake slave

Absolutely barbaric

>>47402526
>digital art is bad mem

I don't understand this meme at all.
Calling it shitty because of the medium it was made in is like saying "this game is shit because it was made in Unity" or "this song is shit because it was made in FL Studio"

Like how much of a cynical shitter do you have to be over such minor bullshit that you have to call an entire thing shit because of one rather minute detail.

Hopefully mana crypt can still be in it. I need one for EDH

>>47403374
Seeing as basically the only use any of these cards are going to get is in EDH, I don't see why not.

That gives me an idea: EDH-masters when?

>>47403389
There's not enough small support to make that draft viable. Sol rings and sakura tribe elders arent enough.

>>47403374
I really hope so. If not here, then where?
It's pretty warping in limited though (although the life loss is pretty significant), which makes me think it won't get a reprint, which leaves only FtV product as a potential candidate for a new Mana Crypt printing. Shit sucks.

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What would you think of a format where it's Legacy expect you can't play any cards on the reserved list?

Obvious bans included.

Optionally, if it used a restricted style banlist?

>>47403338
>not the jace vs chandra anthology version

>>47403471
>not wanting new cards that make cards like sakura tribe elder better
An edh set is conspiracy, new nonstandard cards.

>>47403679
Kill the fucking meme pls

Can't wait to see what the draft archetypes will be. Hopefully they don't sacrifice draft by valuing quality reprints instead of reprinting draft all stars

>>47403745
Elves are likely

>>47403703
How would EDH change if you were allowed to include Conspracies in your 100?

>>47403801
They wouldn't be part of the hundred, they'd just be in the command zone.
Worldknit would shoot up in price for lazy 5 color decks.

>>47403745
Faggots like you are why we get draft chaffe

>>47403925
I thought he was joking

>>47403925
Draft is the best and most important MTG format. It's not my fault you waste your time with constructed formats

>>47403949
>draft is the best and most important MTG format
Oh boi I'm laffin

>>47403801
Edh with conspiracy is doable, just like planechase is.

>>47403949
Draft is fun with strong cards as . We don't need crappy cards

>>47402363
Because some of us aren't braindead idiots and got our duals before they spiked but need more stuff to build new decks with them.

>>47403949
>This is what children actually believe

>>47402583
To be fair, Chrome Mox is a 4 of in one of the most played decks in the format, you stupid fuck.

>>47404130
Sick brag

Just got into Magic, thinking about what im gonna do when EM comes round. Whats the best way of buying into a new expansion?

>>47404130
>>47404198
How is even a brag? I use perfect fakes and get the same effect. And when it comes time to sell, it's easy becuase they look so good.

>>47404205
>Just got into Magic
Don't bother with Eternal Masters

>>47404205
Wait for stores and retards to open all the overcosted product and buy singles.

>>47404205
Don't bother getting into an eternal format right away. Look at Modern or just draft some Standard and have actual fun.

>>47404205
Not buying into one of these shitty "masters" sets. Drafting normal, non-""""premium"""" sets is a better way to get into an expansion. Outside of drafts though, you should NEVER buy sealed product. Only buy singles that you actually need for decks you want to build.

>>47403267
>>47403272
Problem is that guy doesn't seem to be dazed, more like screaming for his life.

>>47404064
Planechase edh is fucking cancer.

What non edh players think about edh is what I think about edh planechase.

10 hour games and wins from a single top deck. Get that trash out of here.

>>47404238
>Modern
>Standard
>Fun

Spoken like a true WotC shill

>>47404274
>MTG
>Fun

Spoken like a true WotC shill

>>47404286
I sell fakes for profit.
Money does lots of fun things.

>>47404205
Play either Modern or Draft. Standard is a money sink and Legacy is orders of magnitude more expensive than Modern.

>>47404274
I haven't been playing mtg for all that long but even I can see that standard was more interesting when combo was still allowed to exist.

>>47404293
>lying on the internet

Anon...

>>47404312
I wonder how long they plan on depowering standard. BFZ was miserable

>>47404312
Combo hasn't exsisted in standard forever.

>>47404313
Don't need to proove anything, but let me assure you it's easier than you think.

The secret is to let them think they are ripping you off. ;)

>>47404228
Opps I thought we were talking about Eldritch Moon. Thats what i meant

>>47404274
I've drafted SoI a couple of times. It's been fun. I've drafted the sets before that, those were also fun. Sealed/Limited are fun.

>>47404176
I believe ya be thinking of mox opal

>>47404336
It has only been a few years.

>>47402363
I just want muh pauper reprints

the rest be damned

>>47402924
Future sight was meant to be drafted with the rest of timespiral though.

Defending Wizard's shitty "designed for draft, limited print run" sets is bad form, they should all be burned to a cinder.

>>47404504
>designed for draft, limited print run
For Draft, you need a ton of packs
When you print a limited amount of a set, there is less packs
Is Wizard actually thinking its decisions ?

>>47404205
For standard: Don't. Shit rotates so fast most new players can't get much enjoyment from it. If you want to play with the current set, just play Limited.

For modern: buy lands, specifically fetches and shocks. Getting a good land base lets you then build different archetypes for a long time.

Ignore Legacy and Vintage entirely, until you've been playing a while. Unless you don't mind throwing $1000 at something you might not even enjoy.

>>47404205
Go to the prerelease
After that, play Limited (Draft or Sealed Deck)

Deathrite Shaman (r)
Necropotence (m)
Sneak Attack (m)
Bloodbraid Elf (u)

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>>47404594

>>47403389
This is EDH masters, they said in the announcement that this set was for legacy, cube, and EDH.

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Mythic- makes me sad. and no show and tell reprint

>>47403684
That's the same art though?

>>47404594
Excited about Bloodbraid Elf!

>>47404586
You could imagine a prerelease for EMA?
Starcity games would never allow that

>>47404626
This and Chrome mox... Hopefully the whole modern banlist is reprinted

>>47404640
Noice but in this one i liked the older more

>>47404642
He is talking about Eldritch Moon, like he said in >>47404358
But a prerelease of Eternal Masters could be nice but it can't work with the limited print run thing and also would be expensive as hell

I want the snapcaster SO HARD.

>>47402254
As I'm increasingly an EDH/Limited player who only *needs* to open one copy of a good card, I'll probably play with EMA a bit if the spoilers continue not to completely ruin it for me. But this set will never convince me to buy a playset of FoW or anything like that to buy into Legacy.

Competitive 60-card constructed has gotten too expensive for the enjoyment I got out of it.

>>47404691
>Snapcaster mage, liliana and jace will be introduced with a new rarity called Ultra mythic, they will only be printed once in this set, have fun opening boosters
Mark Fucking rosewater

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What is this supposed to be?

Most likely its goblin lackey, but I hope its goblin settler

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Just give me Conspiracy 2: Electric Boogaloo. Overpriced sets like Modern Masters are dumb anyway.

>Buy a MM booster
>Oh boy I pulled a mythic here comes the money
>It's fucking Comet Storm

>>47404731
It's Charbelcher!

>>47404731
that will be Goblin Charbelcher.

>>47404731
>Has a shovel
Goblin Piledriver is called Goblin Shoveler in french (litteral translation)
But he was already reprinted in Magic Origins

>>47404731
Belcher.
Kek

>>47404748
I appreciate what they try? to do with Modern Masters but it's just handled so fucking clumsily

>hey lets reduce the price of some stupid modern staples
>wait our neckbeard fanbase doesn't like that so lets keep printing limited and make the good cards mythic so it doesn't really effect prices
>alright well anyway it's gonna be a great draft environment with all your favorite cards you remember
>oops that clashes with all the reprints so draft is pretty shit

I just don't understand the purpose

>>47404731
Goblin charbelcher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jR4_23GTo

Haha that Professor video is actually pretty funny.

>>47402720
You shut your disrespectful mouth that Warren Instigator isn't Mythic. It's DOUBLE LACKEY. It's super sweet and when it cooks off it cooks OFFFFF.

>necro
>sneak attack

Fucking awesome!
>they're mythics

For what purpose? "le too good in draft" should just fuck off when it comes to these sets, they should just be treated like some sort of retarded cube rather than throwing shit like babby eldrazi into it to create draft strategies.

More money to line Hasbro and collectors pockets, make me up when cospiracy is spoiled.

>>47404878
Source or fake?

>>47402539

Depending on getting a drink with it, or more of a quality place than some shit like subway, 8 bucks isn't bad at all.

>>47403869
Okay one, yes Conspiracy cards WOULD be part of the 99, just like they were part of your 40 in Conspiracy drafts.
Two, Worldknit would do stone nothing, just like Paliano The High City does nothing. It's one of very few Conspiracies that would be totally unplayable.

>>47404549
>Draft=needs lots of packs=higher demand
>Limited print run=lowered supply
>High demand+low supply=$$$

>>47404888
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32973_Exclusive-Eternal-Masters-Preview.html
Real.

>>47404888
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32973_Exclusive-Eternal-Masters-Preview.html

Pretty reputable source

>>47404878
Where's our liliana of the veil wizards? I can pick up 2 jaces on MKM for the price of one Liliana.

>>47404888
>source
>ChapinPreview.jpg

Gee I dunno I'm sort of getting a psychic feeling it might be real and it might be Chapin's preview card in an article from StarCityGames

Just a feeling though

>>47404904
>High demand+low supply=No more supply=Player base bitching

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This is gonna make waves in Pauper

>>47404822
>there's a storm crow and a black lotus on the new artwork being shoveled in
>storm crow and black lotus confirmed for equals

>>47404878
No.
No.
NO.
I don't want to believe it.

>>47404878
So he'll go for $100 to $99?

>>47404925
Where have you been for the last 2 MMA sets? People complained about being raked over hot coals paying for the first set, so wizards upped the print run for the second but gave us dogshit in it so no one would want it.

>>47404944
I was there for the second
Only bought 2 boosters and was pretty happy with my pulls
Sweet Eye of Ugin

>>47404640
Angled artwork? Check.
Brown color palette? Check.
Spikes everywhere? Check.

Swanland strikes again.

>>47404887
Necro should be mythic anyway, you'll never need more than one

>>47404901
>As long as every card in your card pool started the game in your library or in the command zone, lands you control have "Tap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool."

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>>47404640
Wish they would've reprinted it with this art.

>>47404926
Literally called it in the GPLA chat.
I'm fucking happy.

>>47404901
I am in fact wrong about where Conspiracy cards start... They start in the SIDEBOARD.
So they wouldn't be playable in EDH even if they weren't banned in Vintage.
Worldknit would still do nothing in formats sideboards exist. Just like Paliano.

>>47404967
Swanland has been better in recent years but I would not be shocked if that BBE isn't left over from alara block, looks more like that era of swanland rather than the current one.

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Gamble

>>47405010
Hopefully it drops enough that I can get one for EDH

>>47405010
Source?

>>47404901
what?

How would worldknit do nothing, it would guarantee mana fixation for any multicolor deck.

am I missing something?

>>47405029
https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/734765054118223872

>>47404975
key words: card pool.
Which exists only in Limited.
>905.1d: After the draft and all actions that may be taken during or after the draft, all the cards a player has drafted become that player's card pool. The player builds his or her deck from only these cards and any number of basic land cards. See rules 100.2b and 100.4b.

>>47402539
>a sandwich apparantly is 8 bucks over where you live, which seems absurd.
A footlong from Subway is about $8 here.

>>47405030

I see now thank you >>47405034

>>47404620
>no show and tell
Dropped.

>>47405019
Its only $20 anon.
You budget edh?

>>47405058
They can also reprint Show and Tell friendo.

>>47405065
>Its only $20 anon.
20$ is how much costed me the last deck I build
I'm not that anon but it is expensive

>>47405010
Hope the price drops significantly

>>47404926
PAUPER HYPE TRAIN STARTS NOW

>>47405083
Most of my decks are over a grand so it's hard to relate.
Though I'm stoked for foil gamble.

>>47405096
Legacy/Vintage player ?

>>47405083
My commander in EDH cost more than 20 bucks. In the realm of magic, 20 isn't too bad

Honestly I don't think any of the cards spoiled so far are bad reprints. Charbelcher is arguably the worst but would still be a really good rare to open in a regular set, and an okay one here.

>>47404926
Not like MBC cares

>>47402793
Aren't there less mythics in the set than rares though? Wouldn't it make sense if there were 8 times as many rares for you to only get a mythic one in 8 packs on average?

Fingers crossed for foil printings of True-Name Nemesis, Containment Priest, Dualcaster Mage...

>cascade in the set

I guess Shardless agent is getting that needed reprint so it doesn't kill the price of planechase at the end of the year.

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>>47405044
It's like this land. The rules text relates to something that only exists in draft, so it might as well not exist if you played it in Constructed.

>No Damnation
Fuck WotC

Damn, some pretty juicy spoilers so far... I hope they're not just blowing their wad and spoiling the 20 good reprints and leaving all the shit ones for later.

>>47405159
Didn't they say they weren't ever going to reprint any of those weird polar opposite cards?

>>47405159
Deluge is better

>>47405157
Thank fuck, needing one for my French deck but didn't really want to pay that much for it.

>>47405173
Only in proper sets, things like conspiracy and Masters are not part of that as they do not go into standard rotation.

>>47405104
Nope. Really passionate commander player.

>>47405166
>MM2016

>>47405126
Why? They would all be way out of normal price range, and then crash on a second printing. Makes it shitty for us commander players.

>>47404609
>Necropotence at Mythic
This is fair.

>>47405177
Lol no.

>>47405220
Nothing like opening up a 5 dollar mythic in a 15 dollar pack.

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>>47403048
It's also because it was previously given to essentially L 2.5/L3 judges, it was recently an Exemplar promo so lots of judges got one or more

>>47405268
Fuck. I wanted to sell my arsenal one.

>>47405241
Well hopefully this time the value will be in the uncommons too, the first MMA was this way but the second one threw dogshit into nearly every slot.

>>47405268
>Rare
This set is starting to look pretty alright.
Very much expected and welcome.

>>47405268
Schweet, needed one for commander

>>47405268
>rare

Based, thank you for this at least Wizards.

>>47402446
You can already buy them for 50-60$

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>mfw I'm hoping for a new art Phyrexian Arena

>>47405306
Remains to be seen, so far it's decent. And if we see berserk and uncommon.... fuck

>>47405312
>>47405320

this
if the quality of rares and uncommons keeps this pace my box will make me a very happy man

and regarding the powerlevel of what they spoiled so far the rest of the set has to have at least a certain powerlevel

mark my words: EM will make up for MM2

>>47405338
Don't... just stop.
Fuck, I have foil berserk and Sylvan library and arena.

Maybe I fucking sue wizards. Fucking assholes crashing value. Stahp

>>47405338
There's nothing wrong with the old art.
Even if Modern kids have no idea who the three depicted are.

>>47405362
>Maybe I fucking sue wizards. Fucking assholes crashing value. Stahp

You are the cancer of this game. Period.

>>47405362
You're thinking like a collector.

Stop that.

>>47405362
Get cucked hombre

>>47402254

>wizards being jews and turning daze into uncommon

on the other hand I fucking hated the old graphic, so that's an upside.

>>47405369
Don't call the people who took the time to invest into this game cancer. Without us magic might not even exist today for you to enjoy

>>47405365
Oh I agree, the old art is amazing. I just like new art occasionally. Also it's not like it's been reprinted for a while.

>>47402254
Green is going to be strong (Sylvan Library, DRS, and Nimble Mongoose).

>If I see someone take a Nimble Mongoose
>I will take the Toxic Deluge,
>Because FUCK HEXPROOF

>>47405362
Either this is supremely tasty b8 or you need to be cast onto a fire along with the reserved list you faggot.

>>47405362
You're probably trolling but just in case: die painfully in a fire.

>>47405392
Yea you're right. I should enjoy the value of all my cards going down. Its a great thing. Thanks anon.

>>47405362
>Maybe I fucking sue wizards. Fucking assholes crashing value. Stahp

Have they ever been successfully sued over reprinting their own products? Surely you'd just get laughed out of court?

>>47405382
Thanks for the reserved list, it's really been helpful in keep vintage and legacy around and not totally fucking over active players in favour of binder geeks.

>>47403338
He looks like he really enjoys swallowing ALL THE SPERM IN HIS VICINITY.

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>>47405362

>>47405407
MUH MUH MUH RESERVED LIST

>>47405408
They are getting sued right now for slave labour. Kick em while they are down.

>>47405407
Maybe you should play the game instead of using it as a way to horde value?

You should be happy more people have access to cards you can play the game you love right? There's no way all you do is buy staples and sit on them in a binder like a faggot!

>>47404926
Make waves how? Decks that wanted to use it had access to it before.

Maybe it'll get a slot in Tortured Existence?

>>47405382
>Without us magic might not even exist today for you to enjoy

Yeah, tell that to standard, commander and casual players.

You are the filfhty kike who stand up against the reprints of staples in legacy : you don't make things enjoyable at all.

>>47405427
Source?

>>47405427
[citation needed]
I'm genuinely curious

My shop is already preparing to sell those packs at 5x MSRP

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>>47404890
I'm sorry, but there's a goblin obstructing my view of the actual subject.

After reading the title and seeing the art, you'd expect this to be a creature.

I understand that the original art has little to do with goblins, but this isn't a step up.

>>47405442
sounds like its time to stop giving them money.

>>47405382
Gee thanks, the reserved list is such an amazing fucking idea. I wish they never reprinted anything.

>>47405446
But it's a goblin shovelling at black lotus and a storm crow into a charbelcher! How funny!

>>47405442
I'd stop going to any place that did that right away.

>>47404890
>Pathfinder-tier art
for what purpose?

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>>47405362
I refuse to believe people like you exist.

I am here to play a game with these cards. They are tools for my enjoyment, not something to miserly collect.

>>47405436
It wasn't at common before.

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>>47405442
>mfw been such a long time customer that my shop is selling me a box for $25 less than MSRP

>>47405427
Say what?

>>47405442
Then find another one nigga.

>>47405453
Fuck, with that kind of gouging it might be time to start stealing from them.

>>47405412
Gotta admire his diligence

>>47405351
>if the quality of rares and uncommons keeps this pace

They won't lad, sorry to burst your bubble. They're getting the goodies out now, the chaff will follow in the last spoilers.

>>47405459
>>47405453
Only shop in this small town. They know people have nowhere else to go. I'll just buy online like I've been doing for months now

>>47405482
We have one shop as well, if they overcharge for stuff people just don't buy it and it rots on the shelves until they relent.

>>47405440
A group of judges are suing

the reserve list needs to die, and I say that as someone who has over 1k in reserve list cards.

I wasn't hype, but I am a bit hype now. I am getting a box to draft (friends with a store owner, so I know I won't get ripped off), but now I actually am looking forward to having the cards.

Shit like Gamble and Sylvan at rare is phenomenal for EDH even if I don't play real formats.

>>47405407
Stopping thinking of your cards as an investment. They're not a house, they're not a car. They're pieces for playing a game, of the same value as poker chips or chess pieces.

If you own more than four of any card, you're the reason that other players can't afford to play the decks they want to. I hope this reprinting and devaluing motivates you to sell the rest of your collection to people who'll actually use them to play the game.

>>47405362
Get fucked faggot.

Reprints I want from this set:

>Inquisition of kozilek at uncommon
>SDT at uncommon
>LotV at mythic
>Survival of the Fittest with judge art at rare
>Berserk
>shardless agent
>a few "junk" rares in the form of stuff like Titania and other popular commanders with no foils or retardedly priced foils.

>>47405369
>>47405371
>>47405392
>>47405404
>>47405421
>>47405432
>>47405471
>>47405533
>>47405581
This many poor people playing magic.
How to you guys even manage to play against tier 1 decks with your intro decks?

>>47403679
>What would you think of a format where it's Legacy expect you can't play any cards on the reserved list?

Much better than regular Legacy. Mainly because it would be actually possible to play it.

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>>47404878
>reprinted AGAIN
Can't even rely on the FtVs to hold value...

>>47405595
Don't get carried away senpai, Top and Survival are probably pretty safe bets, not sure about Lili, Berserk since they don't have too many mythic slots and Chrome Mox already took one of them. Shardless could see a reprint in the Planechase anthology just as a fuck you.

>>47405362
Kill yourself

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>>47405647
>>47405638

>>47405638
Pretty easily. I just steal binders from collectors at shops and tournys. Last time I got a playset of Volcanic Islands!

>>47405407
Be honest, were you ever going to cash in that shit anyways?
Nah senpai. You're like me.
There's no leaving it behind.

>>47405595
Is IoK played in Legacy? I know you guys are desperate for Modern shit, but unless they have an excuse, they aren't gonna go through with it.

>>47405680
I sell fakes and buy reals. So I don't actually lose money in repints, I just don't make as much.

>>47405681
HA! Filters on 4chan again!
Oh man I just got nostalgiabombed.

>>47405693
In Pox, BG, Deadguy Ale and Depths combo.

>>47405681
I play the spec game.
I have a binder of high end flashy foils that I sell when the price is right. And a box of non foil cheap stuff that I wait to spike. My personal shit. Yea probably never baring a tragedy.

>>47405595
>>47405659
Survival is on the reserved list

>but muh judge printing

That was before they changed the policy on premium cards

>>47405595
0% chance of seeing Survival

>>47405214
>Makes it shitty for us commander players.

None of those cards are good in Commander to begin with. They were all 1-vs-1 cards that were forced into Commander decks because WOTC has given itself no other means of introducing new cards into eternal formats.

>>47405241
It might not be much value, but power-wise it's fair. Necropotence is one of the most powerful and iconic black cards in Magic's history.

>>47405320

Keeping a rare as a rare is not "based". It's the normal situation. Knocking it down to uncommon would have been based.

>>47405712
Makes sense. Cool. It is a legit possibility. And there's no way it'll be at rare, so either common (unlikely) or uncommon. Neat!

>>47405362

I don't want to sound too judgmental here, but basically anyone who wants the value of his Magic collection to go anywhere but down should be killed. In an ideal world, all Magic cards would be at most a dollar.

>>47403255

Seeing how each pack will cost like 10$, yes, it would fucking suck to pull Kami of the Crescent Moon from one.

>>47405753
Library could easily be mythic in this set, look at cards like bob and goyf who were rare before MMA.

>>47405214
Because they're not available in foil. You want to foil out your commander deck, these cards don't have that pimp.

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Finally a reprint so the hyper inflated price goes down and i can finally put some of these guys on my burn list.

>>47404258
Cry more. Top deck wins happen just as much in every other format. If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't act like a little bitch about how the game works.

>>47405723
>Survival is on the reserved list

Just another reason why all lawyers need to be gassed.

>>47405808
Nice try: ^)

>>47405777
Yu Gi Oh tried to reprint money cards into oblivion. Do you know what happened? They had to resort to painful bans and power creep to keep selling packs. If you could build a full Legacy deck for $75, who would pay to play Standard?

>>47405659
>Shardless could see a reprint in the Planechase anthology just as a fuck you.

It's confirmed for a reprint is it not? I thought it was all the planes plus all the decks from both sets?

It needs a reprint before that, because otherwise people are going to prize gauge the anthologies just because of those cards like they did the precon that had strix in it.

>>47405790
>Library could easily be mythic in this set

Only because WotC are a bunch of fucking shitbag kikes who turn uncommons into Mythics as standard practice. You're thanking them because they only rape you 29 days a month.

>>47405638
I can already afford any deck I'd really want. I just want some fucking OPPONENTS as opposed to faggots sitting around masturbating to value.

I understand not everyone has an unlimited budget for cardboard and shit. I just want to play without having to suffer through MTGO.

>>47405831
>If you could build a full Legacy deck for $75, who would pay to play Standard?

Why the fuck do you want anyone to play Standard? Standard is a shit format that only exists as a cynical marketing tool.

>>47405844
Hey my asshole is dick free 1 day a month now thanks to wizards.

Keeping library at rare is pretty good, but I guess you need to find something to complain about because this set so far is better than both MMAs put together.

>>47405808
Nice, loving this set so far, every booster potentially has really strong pulls.

>>47405863
Standard is what makes WotC money. It's nearly their entire revenue stream. Hasbro would never allow them to make static formats affordable, because Magic would cease to exist as a profitable, evolving game.

>>47405831
I'd still play standard over legacy. You can play decks that aren't blue and everything is a lot more fair

>>47405831
Gee whiz, maybe because of the rotation of the format and the power level differences between sets released in the 90s and 2010s are pretty vast. Maybe people don't like having to suffer Belcher or Dredge or packing FoWs and Leylines just to combat those. You think Standard, the format which costs 500-1000 dollars _per year_ is the budget alternative to Legacy?

>>47405808
Lmao. Haha fuck you modern faggots enjoy your $150 dollar set falling to under $40. Hahahahahahahahahaha

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>>47405831
I haven't played yugioh in like 4 or 5 years and I don't really ever remember reprints being an issue. The power creep in newer cards that would abuse older cards is what would cause bans and this is more of a problem because there's really only the advanced format in yugioh since who the fuck plays traditional.

Magic is in a tough place because they can try the reprint method with legacy and vintage but then they would need to be careful not to pull a huge flub with future cards. They're already watering down power of sets because they know older cards in modern can be busted with newer cards like with what happened with the Eldrazi.

The ideal would be a cheap affordable game with interesting formats everywhere but the potential to make the game unfun by breaking old cards with newer ones is always going to prove problems and incite the wrath of player complaints and the banhammer.

>>47405864
>I guess you need to find something to complain about

I really don't have to look hard, you know.

They should literally NEVER raise the rarity of anything. Things should stay the same or become more common, never more rare. There's just no valid reason for that whatsoever.

>muh limited

EM limited doesn't fucking matter. NOBODY is excited about this set because they think it's going to be a great limited format. It's way too stupidly overcosted and underprinted to be viable for that, just like MM and MM2 were. People only care because they hope this will somehow bring the cost of entering Legacy down, and guess what: it fucking won't. Because not only are they upshifting rarities and overpricing boosters and underprinting the set in a conscious effort to prevent the secondhand market prices from changing, there's also the fact that the cost of entering Legacy is 90% because of the real duals, which cost everything you own and are mandatory in every deck. And real duals are not in the set. So nothing will change at all.

>>47405888
Except this just isn't true.

Legacy or Extended (whatever you want to call Type 1.5) USED to be affordable when duals were $20 a piece.

People still played Standard.

>>47405837
You're correct that's exactly what it is.

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What would be a good price for a box? Best pre-sale price in Canuckland is $350 funbux.

>>47405998
I dunno. The whales will probably draft this by the case, I'm going to be really excited to draft it precisely 1 time.
(I'm not a whale)

>>47406004
Read the thread. The anon I'm responding to said
>In an ideal world, all Magic cards would be at most a dollar.
There's a huge affordability gap between "only need $20 for my lands" and "only need $400 for my lands".

>>47406023
Buy singles dipshit.

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>>47405818
It's kinda nice knowing some of my cards will always hold value, but the reserved list really isn't the way to go about it.

>>47406052
One dollar might be excessive but he's correct in theory.

Magic is P2W these days. Plain and simple.

Even Standard is expensive. I don't know how new players manage these days since you have to convince them to drop several hundred bucks on a Standard deck that will be obsolete in a few months. Either that or drop several thousand bucks on a modern/legacy deck.

>>47405998
>and are mandatory in every deck
While I agree with your sentiment, this is just false.

>>47406052
>Only need 400 per land

>>47406120
He didn't say "per"

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>>47405998

>mana crypt at mythic

I am just fine with this.

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>Eternal Masters: June
>Eldritch Moon: July
>Conspiracy II: August
Oh Christ
What's the deal with "From the Vault, Lore" ?

>>47406117
I mean, unless you're playing burn or some shit they are mandatory.

I don't see a single top 8 list without duals tbqh.

Playing legacy without duals is like play chess without rooks. You're severely gimping yourself.

>>47406116
I spent about $75 on a standard deck, but yeah standard is way too fast.

There needs to be a format to go between modern and standard, as the jump between them is ridiculous.

I was thinking of extended, but that died miserably though it was my favorite format.

What about Supermodern? Using sets from M15+ with that slight font and border change?

>>47406159
Hopefully it's enough to get it banned in EDH now

>>47406216
>>What about Supermodern? Using sets from M15+ with that slight font and border change?
This is what all Modernfags fear.

>>47405808
Seriously considering to sell my playset now since I'm getting tired of modern burn and I expect a reprint of these

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>>47406220
>muh fast rocks need banning in EDH

I just want to play giant monsters fast, is that a crime?

>mfw faggots bought them to hike the price to $200 a pop because they didn't think it would see reprint.

>>47406236
That format would be fun. Chord and Coco all day long, no control or combo whatsoever

>>47406216
I honestly believe that the main problem with Legacy and Modern are Duals and Fetches respectively.

I think people wouldn't mind forking over the cash for things like Jace and Lion's Eye Diamond because they're cool spells.

But forking over hundreds of bucks just for a competitive mana base is just ridiculous.

I use Chinaman fakes in all my Legacy decks for this reason.

>>47406209
>Dredge, all variants
>Belcher (can run a russian foil Stomping Ground for all anyone cares)
>TES
>Eldrazi and every other stompy variant
>D&T (runs Karakas though)
>Mono-red Painter, white splash for Tundras and Enlightened Tutor is a cheap addition
>Merfolk
>Affinity

>>47406256
Fun for aggrofaggots, who aren't real players anyways.

>>47406159
source?

>>47403353
Its simple.

Rather than being drawn, a model was added to photoshop, some neat effects were applied, then the whole thing gets brushed up.

It ultimately makes all digital cards look roughly the same. I can't point to a digitally created card that looks distinct or iconic.

>>47406260
Look at modern, and the decks are thousands of dollars to be competitive. Tell me that isnt a newbie detractor. Much of it comes from lands, but a lot comes from other things which can cost 50, 100, or even 150 a pop. Its not just toning down the dual lands, its also about making a format with a slow or nonexistent rotation that doesnt require you to drop your wallet on a couple of ancient cards

>>47404943
you can pick up FtV for 50-60 on tcg right now

>>47406275
All storm combo decks use duals m8. Namely Underground Seas and Volcanic Islands.

But okay you can build a few rogue decks without duals I'll give you that.

>>47406348
>rogue
>dredge, stompy, painter, merfolk, d&t
>one of which was the fucking deck to beat not too long ago
>rogue
>r o g u e
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point or merely retarded?

>>47406348
Just use shocklands XDDDD

>>47406322
Except that's... wrong. Like, dramatically so. Most digitally created artwork is still done in 2 dimensions, just because that's how artists learned to make art. They're artists... not animators. It can be done to excessive levels of detail, but it's far from entirety terrible and faaaar from just "painting on a model".

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>>47406370
None of those decks are top tier. They're rogue decks that prey on the meta.

Dredge? I mean come on...

None of those decks are a match for Miracles, BUG, Tendrils, etc...

Like I said, you can build a deck without duals but you're just gimping yourself.

>>47406409
Do you even play Legacy, like at all?

>>47406409
Literally just finished watching a CFB video where the only chance the miracle player had vs beltcher was having force in his opening hand.

He died on turns 1 and 2 of both games he lost.

>>47406275

>TES
>No duals

The fuck are you on mate, TES has at least one card of every color, ANT only runs two to four but you have no idea what your talking about

Source: Legacy storm player

>>47406419
Yes

>>47406441
Right. I guess that's why Belcher is so popular and wining tournaments left and right whilst nobody plays Miracles at all...

http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=LE

It'd be pretty funny if treasure cruise was in this set

>>47406478
Everybody plays miracles because it's the meme deck of choice right now, just like show and tell was during the last open season.

>>47406390

WHAT

>>47405844
You sound like a sensible and well-balanced individual

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>>47406491

>>47406116
Serious standard players share card pools with other people and buy low and sell high by paying an almost autistic amount of attention to the market.

That's sort of the only way to do things. Either that or they go pseudo-infinite in draft (on the side) so they actually open shit.

>>47406526
Everybody play miracles because it's good.

It's a solid deck with a very strong late game and answers to almost everything. Not a one trick pony like Belcher.

>>47406390
Neat. These things cost way too much.

>>47406409
D and T crushes BUG and Miracles.

Painter is favored against shardless and 50/50ish against miracles.

Stompy crushes miracles and storm.

Learn a thing or two before you shitpost.

>>47402472
>Mythics should be cards that see a lot of play
No, fuck off.

>>47406491
If you've never walked into a card shop just to buy a single Treasure Cruise for vintage, you don't know true shame.

>>47406570
I looked at that link, 95% of it is fucking magic onmeme, the one place playing miracles is a good idea because you can keep an eye on your time much easier.

I'm not sure what your hatred of beltcher is, nor your boner for a control deck that basically has to run the clock on you because it's so threat light.

>>47406390
Shitty border AND taps for anus mana? Sweet!

>>47404620
>Price will barely change because lol mythic

I really hate the fact that Wizards puts investors first

>>47405362
>not investing in actual worthwhile stuff
So fucking dumb

>>47406692
$40 is nothing, chump.

>>47406388
Those cards are generally made by interns. They take a canned background. Throw a couple models in there, do a thing or two then boom. Goblin Charbelcher.

Most lands are just squares taken off a big landscape with a different filter slapped over it.

>>47406725

>i take pride in paying a 1,000% markup for cardboard

>>47406322
>>47406731
>Pulling Shit Out of His Ass: The Guy

>>47406757
Fuck off Bernie.

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>>47406731
This is the website of the guy who drew the new Goblin Charbelcher. Does this look like an intern messing with filters? Are you fucking kidding me?

http://www.jesperejsing.dk/card-art/

>>47406836
Is that suppose to be good? Just random fucking things on the left with no detail, it's shit