MTG generic lore thread

>>47398653
It will be ok. I'm here for you.

And besides. Maybe she'll come back.

but she won't.

Sorin "Slaughter Your Daughter" Markov
Sorin "Get Stabby With Babby" Markov
Sorin "Defile Your Child" Markov
Sorin "Exterminate What You Create" Markov
Sorin "Only You Can Stop Her, You're Her Father" Markov
Sorin "You Raised Her, You Raze Her" Markov
Sorin "Cast Vindicate On Your Own Creation" Markov
Sorin "If She Came From Your Seed, Send Her To The Blessed Sleep" Markov
Sorin "Remove Your Little Girl From This World" Markov
Sorin "Dismember Your Descendant" Markov
Sorin "Keepin' PtE In The Family" Markov
Sorin "You Built It, You Kill It" Markov
Sorin "You Were Her Sire, You Build Her Funeral Pyre" Markov
Sorin "No Side Like Filicide" Markov
Sorin "This Brings A Whole New Meaning To Father-Daughter Bonding" Markov

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>>47398944

>>47398901
If there's anything Avacyn hates, it's a blade - especially Sorin's blade, the symbol of her unmaking.

>>47398880
>>47398901
>>47398944
Thanks, guys. Really helping me not feel worse about never ever seeing Avacyn ever again. What pals.

>Wotc kills Venser
>Wotc kills Elspeth
>Wotc kills Avacyn
>Jace is still alive

GODDAMN IS NOTHING SACRED???

>still mourning
It's been, what, a month already?

>>47398994
The story came out Wednesday.

But yes.

>>47398653
I know it's been hard, anon, but we've all mourned. I mean, Magic lore has been dead for, what, eight years?

It isn't coming back. I'm sorry.

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>>47398962
>long white hair
>long black coat
>sword
>experimented on as a child by (grand)father
>was an important member of a major heroic unit long ago
>killed best girl
The resemblance is uncanny

>>47398969
At least you get jokes to help deal with it. The only thing I had was people alternating between rage over how stupidly it happened and 'GOOD RIDDANCE' when they killed Kozilek.

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>>47399104
Hey man, you got some good shit out of it.

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>>47399156
Damn straight.

>>47399032
And the set went on sale in April.
Which means the fat pack booklet, which reveals all of that, has been available for more than a month.

But it gets better. Avacyn's Unmaking was spoiled in mid March. The full art was found almost a week before that.
So I suppose two months is a much more accurate statement.

>>47399327
Do you feel good about yourself?

>>47398988
alright, so i haven't been keeping up, last i left off was theros... thank god elspeths dead i hated her!

>>47400260
still me, alright since this is a lore general thread, anyone wanna fill me in whats been happening lately? every now and again i see a familiar face and talks about sorin (and one funny one about leliana and jade) but i agent been keeping up.

>>47400260
>hating best walker
Get the fuck off my /tg/

>>47400352
Nahiri showed up on innistrad, asked sorin why he hadn't showed up to take care of the eldrazi again, sorin said he didn't know or someshit and was busy, nahiri got all butt hurt and was like you will rue the day yo.

Teisted Markov manor I to a giant dildo with vampire bumping for her pleasure, built a bunch of weird shit across innistrad and is having something large built in the ocean by zombies Liliana is apparently controlling but portrayed ignorance to Jace about it, which may have something to do with the raven man.

Whatever is out in the ocean is calling something large enough that its actually shifting the moon off its path as whatever it is travels to the plane, while most of innistrad, including Jace seems to be going insane.

Avacy went nuts and considered humans corrupted and went about PURGE EXTERMINATE and nearly killed Jace and tamito until sorin showed up and started throwing angels through walls and shit. Avacyn was so insane she viewed sorin as a threat and then blamed him for her corruption and basically forced sorin to unmake her.

Funnily enough nahiri is being used as a staple in modern right now to get emrakul shit on the board as fast as possible and its highly implied she may be summoning him to innistrad, as she never explained how she stopped the titans by herself when it took two old walkers and herself to stop it last time.

Basically emrakul will show up, sorin will use the moon as a giant helvault to imprison it.

I think the raven man is actually yawgmoth controlling everything and is manipulating nahiri and Liliana and this might actually be a phyrexian invasion, but that's more of a tinfoil hat conspiracy.

>>47400519
>staple
Anon, that's not what staple means.

>>47400519
I thought they were stated to be Geralf's zombies.

>>47400260
They had actually killed Gideon in OGW, trapped Nissa in an endless oblivion, broke Jace's jaw among other things, but brought them all back because lolsuperfriends!

Ob got fucking shafted despite having by far the most entertaining story in a LOOOOOONG time

>>47400352
Ok
So Sarkhan went to Tarkir where he DID NOTHING WRONG which resulted in the past changing and Ugin not being kill
Ugin went to Zendikar where Jace found him, Ugin was like 'yo, don't kill the Eldrazi' and Jace pinky promised him but was crossing his fingers behind his back, that sneaky faggot.
Anyway, they all had bonding moment over imprisoning Ulamog but then Ob Nixilis was like "SURPRISE FAGGOTS!" and freed both Ulamog and Kozilek
Anyway, Chandra rescued Jace, Gideon, and Nissa from Ob Nixilis.
They decided to team up becoming the Avengers
then they realized that name was taken so they chose gatewatch
Anyway, they challenged Kozilek and Ulamog to a mana eating contest by binding their entire forms to Zendikar, which wasn't a great idea
Until they used the mana outside of the titans as a det cord for the mana inside the titans
Ugin's pissed, the Gatewatch has threeways all the ways.
Jace goes to Innistrad, Avacyn went crazy balls
Lesbian Werewolf Hunters
Jace goes crazy balls
Church goes crazy balls
Jace is unballed by Tamiyo
Avacyn attacks them both
Sorin bursts down, has feels
Kills Avacyn
Everything rumbles and Sorin is like "Shiiiiit"

>>47401284
Gisa's, actually. Gisa thinks Nahiri is her friend.

If it's seriously Eldrazi again two sets in a row I'm going to lose my shit.

>>47402261
On one hand I think it would be a hack move and kill a lot of potential intrigue by confirming and ending Emrakul's movements so early.
On the other I want a new Emrakul card.

>>47402571
I really want it to be a five-legged shrew

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>>47398653
It's okay, if WotC wants to keep bumping of beloved characters it'll be their funeral next, honestly the entire plot of SOI is so silly and convoluted and basically comes down to: Sorin was a dick to Nahiri, Nahiri is insane, Sorin didn't bother to check on her after the Helvault broke. Sorin decided to deal with Avacyn instead of the cause and causes Nahiri's plan to succeed while also killing his daughter and the one being that keeps his plane alive.

I don't know how anyone can be expected to take this seriously any more, I'm sad about Avacyn but after the latest story I just kind of stopped caring about the story at large, it's just a bunch of incompetent planeswalkers being assholes to each other.

But I guess, he HAD to.

>>47402954
>it's just a bunch of incompetent planeswalkers being assholes to each other.
To be fair, hasn't magic always been that? Urza is at once the most successful and least successful planeswalker in existence.

>>47398653
RIP Best angel.

She was as pure and nobel as Elspeth or Serra. We will never see her like again.

>>47398653
Who should i send an email full of my disgust and hate for killing her?

>>47403830
We need an edit of the comic where someone has arrived in heaven and another person is saying something like "happy to meet you though I'm sorry about the circumstances" changed to feature Elspeth and Avacyn.

>>47403830
>Reminding me that Serra is also dead, along with her entire plane.
Goddammit. Are we not allowed to have living mono white women?

>>47403975
> Where da white wimin at?
> All dead.
> Shit.

>>47398653
If every angel in MTG had a brawl, who would win?

>>47403995
Magic: stopping cucks so you don't have to

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>tfw my waifu is alive and well

>>47404142
You fucking whore.

>>47404072
Akroma...

>>47404142
Shit taste

>>47404199
>Akroma
Fucking wrong.

Everyone knows Avacyn is the biggest angel ever printed and is indestructible.

>>47404234
Card P/T doesn't mean shit and changes with every iteration. Avacyn is also a 5/5 and a 4/4|6/5

Going by just the cards, Iona wins because none of the other angels get to enter play

>>47404363
Avacyn still wins because, with the exception of Anguished Unmaking's flavor, she is fluff-wise indestructible. Akroma is such a pleb that she died from
a beheading.

>>47404072
Either Akroma, Iona, or Avacyn.

But probably Avacyn. Though, as far as we know, Iona is still alive, even after a full Eldrazi invasion. So that has to count for something.

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>>47404418
This, Sorin revoked her existence, otherwise she is literally un-killable. None of the other angels on her plane are even close to her on power terms, she killed the black-white angel and her entire flight solo and I doubt she broke a sweat. The only issue is that her power is tied to her plane similar to the Theros Gods, if she was anywhere else she'd probably lose to Akroma.

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guess ill post my waifus
1

>>47404738
Am I allowed to have a waifu even though I'm a girl?

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>>47404738
2

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>>47404792
3
>>47404767
>grills in mtg

>>47398901
this thread was a blast.

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>>47404815
4

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>>47404823
5
and done

>>47404767
a waifu? yes. but having 5 is missing the point.

>>47404877
im sorry i do waifuism wrong anon

>>47404817
Indeed it was. It was so sad, though.

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>>47398653
Don't lose hope, OP.

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>>47405257
But we already lost her.

Are you telling me there's a way for her to return? But how?

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>>47405272
To be honest there are plenty of plausible ways for her to return, the question is whether WotC would allow her to return. I honestly don't foresee a conclusion with her staying dead being satisfying, they'd have to do so much bullshit to explain how Innistrad continues without her. So until someone at Wizards outright says she's never coming back I'm going to hope that she will because otherwise I can't bring myself to give a crap about the lore.

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>>47405357
Tell me those plausible ways. I want to believe.

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>>47405413
Sorin giving his spark and life could be enough to bring her back, especially if you assume that he might not have been able to destroy her completely, she has a deep connection to the plane.

Building off that it could be that he could only destroy her physically, something interesting would be if she became more like the Gods of Theros where she's only powered by belief now that she no longer has power from her form.

The cryptoliths could theoretically channel mana to the Vault to generate enough power to revive her.

None of these are really ironclad, they're just random thoughts I've had. In all likelihood Wizard's won't have her come back in EMN, if she comes back it would probably be in a future set as a reason to return to Innistrad. Regardless, I hope that it helped a bit.

>>47405413
I stick her in my recursion deck, thats how.

>>47405571
But she's been exiled...how...

>>47405534
Sorin made her back when he was an Oldwalker. Might be interesting if, since her power is no longer being used, he got that back. Might catapult him to Strongest Walker.
Don't think he'll go back to Old Walker strength, but if he became more powerful then some of the Dragon Walkers, that would be interesting.

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>>47405805

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>>47405821

>>47405793
Or he spends it to stop Emrakul, thus allowing Avacyn to help protect her plane even in death, might stop Sorin from feeling so guilty.

>>47406008
How guilty do you think he feels?

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>>47405632

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>>47406132
Very, this is the guy who has lived so long and seen so much that he's perpetually bored, the only three things he cares about are his family(dead), his plane(screwed and getting worse) and Avacyn(he just killed her). That's the main reason I could genuinely see him giving his life to revive her, he really hasn't got much to live for now and it would fix his plane too. I believe Anguished Unmaking is the only art that shows Sorin with any sort of emotion that isn't indifference or annoyance, even when he sees Markov Manor he most just looks a bit miffed. I'd wager he feels horribly guilty right now, he killed his daughter for nothing because it just screwed his plane harder.

>>47406512
Did you feel a tug on your heart when Avacyn recognized the physical resemblance between her and Sorin?

Isn't there magic? Couldn't he just un-kill her or something?

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And to think that all of this could have been avoided if Avacyn had just eaten once in a while...

>>47407658
Not nearly enough magic.

>>47407658
He'd need Yawgmoth Level magic to bring her back and that level of power no longer exists

>>47408135
>yawgmoth


forgive me, but I have no idea what that is. I only got into magic around the first Innistrad. block.

>>47408204
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Yawgmoth


in case you're too lazy to read the link above


>Father of Phyrexia
>More powerful than Old Walkers and Gods
>Was the embodiment of Black Mana
>His mere presence killed 2/3rds of a plane
>Was able to not only create artificial planes but could also force a plane to overlap another plane
>took 10,000 years of collected white mana to even wound him


In short the most powerful being in MTG

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>>47408204
You see this? The guy with sword is Gerrard Capashen, the guy kneeling is Urza. Everybody else is Yawgmoth.

>>47408295
>>47408337
Got it.

Thank you for clarification

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>>47408204
He (kind of) has a card recently.

>>47408415
yeah, but if he didn't know who Yawgmoth was it really means nothing.

>>47408337
I'm curious, how was it that Gerrard was going toe to toe with Urza here? Was he empowered by Yawgmoth or was their some kind of melee only restriction?

>>47408597
>No items
>Coalition heroes only
>Final destination

>>47408597
I believe that they were both being mind controlled by yawgmoth because they were deep in phyrexia where he basically controls reality

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>>47408656
A MTG themed fighting game would be hype as fuck. Shame the most stylish possible fighter would never get in due to being such a bit card.

>>47408685
Makes sense.

>>47408597
Yawgmoth was able to negate Urza's powers, since they were so close to him. It was just two people trying to murder one another at that point, and one was an old man and the other was the culmination of a supersoldier bloodline project

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>>47399067
>Whiny flower ho
>Best girl

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>this entire block

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>>47405413
TIME TRAVEL

>>47408936
I'm not ok with this.

>>47408936
I really want to see a time travel attempt really bite everyone in the ass


>Go back in time to try and remove Phyrexia from existence before they became big
>End up making it so Phyrexia never lost

>>47409014
That wouldn't actually be that hard. All they have to do is go back in time to the Thran empire, and kill Yawgmoth before he became a threat

This makes me think: could they go back in time and prevent the mending/prevent the rifts that necessitated the mending? What would that do?

>>47409014

To be fair, Tarkir was changed for the worse by Sarkhan's actions and there are some implications bringing Ugin back to life might not have been such a good idea after all either.

>>47409100
Sarkhan's happy tho, and all anyone cares about is the Planeswalkers, so gives a shit.

Rebels of Tarkir when?

If plainswalkers are so powerful, why didn't Sorin just undo the mind control stones that fucked Avacyn?

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>>47409090
>Go back and kill the guy, who as a normal human with no powers, killed an Oldwalker

Even Human Yawgmoth was probably more intelligent than all the current Neo-walkers

>>47409173
>Rebels of Tarkir when?
Hopefully soon. I'm sick and tired of all the best planes being fucked over and Magic's best setting being ruined

>mirrodin ruined
>tarkir enslaved by dragons
>innistrad about to be nommed by Emrakul
>Lorwyn becomes no-sun grimderp

Why does Wizards always kill of their best settings?

>>47409302
to be fair, Mirrodin was always planned to become New Phyrexia

>>47409090
All that would most likely happen is that Urza would become the new Father of Machines

>>47409259
I think she convinced him not to when she said she would never allow it. This implies she must be willing. Also, Sorin is not a lithomancer.

>>47409173

I kinda hope if/when they do Rebels of Tarkir we get dragons on the sides of the Rebels too. I want Dragon Riders, not Dragon slaves.

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>>47409446
>Sorin is unable to use a simple disenchant spell

I guess that means me, the player is much, much better at being a plainswaker than these dumb cunts

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>>47409446
If he destroyed the stones it stands to reason she'd recover on her own, she almost did anyway when he arrived. Sorin should really have just left Avacyn alone and dealt with Nahiri, there's no reason to risk an irreplaceable planar guardian when you can deal with the source, but I guess that wouldn't have been as dramatic and sad.

>>47409288
>>47409356
All that'd have to happen is to kill Dyfed before he met Yawgmoth.

>>47409533
>dragon and rider bantering like fighter-jet co-pilots
>dragon Abe Lincoln
>Surrak leading the rebellion
FUND IT

>>47398901
Lost it at the nothing personnel.

>>47409573
Obviously. Players have the powerlevels of planeswalkers during pre-mending times.

This is why people like Urza are Vanguard Cards, while even Nicol Bolas is just an 8-drop.

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What if Sorin made Avacyn again?

>>47409626
>Dyfed
>he
You feeling alright, anon?

>>47409626
Better to kill Yawgmoth, honestly - if you just killed Dyfed, then Yawgs would still have taken over the Thran Empire and still have fucked things up hugely, just not Phyrexia Hugely. And with him dead, you could pacify the giant army of Every Nation That Wasn't The Thran Empire (and some parts of the Thran Empire) that wanted revenge on him for being a massive dick

>>47409533

I did kinda like the notion I saw posted a while back of the rebel dragons discovering the lost part of their wedges.

>A Dromoka dragon that decides "y'know, FUCK the collective, I don't wanna kowtow to mom for eternity" and throws in with the rebels
>A Silumgar dragon that feels the clan has gotten weak and decadent and forgotten what it means to be hunters
>A Kolaghan dragon who develops an attachment to the humanoids that "can't keep up" and discovers teamwork can make the weak stronger than a band of individual psychopaths
>An Artaka dragon that gets tuned into the Whispering and starts to think about things beyond eating
>An Ojutai dragon who grows sick of parroting Ojutai's dogma and develops empathy for the rebellion

>>47409752
I'd kill both Yawgmoth and Glacian to be safe. Dyfed only came back to the Thran because of Glacian.

>>47409742
spelling error.

>>47409752
I could not possibly care less about what Yawgmoth would do to the thran.

>>47409807
If she just fangirled over Glacian then that would be that.
>>47409819
He was already performing unnecessary experiments all over the place. And by the end of The Thran had decided that a good way to wage war was via Seal of Wrath of God. Had he remained in power, things would've been really bad for Dominaria

>>47409950
>implying I care about dominaria either
>implying that dominaria isn't the worst setting of Magic, and better off gone

>>47409626

Except he's obviously going to kill and eat Atarka.

>>47410090
A Dominaria that's been nuked to hell and back would've fucked up the multiverse much, much sooner.

>>47409533
I'd want the Rebel tribe back to be honest. I really like how they play and as a Lin Sivvi EDH player, it does sting a little how few toys I get.

>>47410090
I really like current Dominaria. It feels like PTSD: The Plane, it's gone through so much fucking it it's barely standing up.

>>47410751
>Eldrazi come to Dominaria
>none of the inhabitants even give a fuck
>Being dissolved into nothingness is better than living on Dominaria

>>47408441
>Yawgmoth's corpse is a wound in the universe
Iunno, sounds pretty meaningful to me.

>>47411028
That doesn't mean he knows who he is. If you see a statue of someone you can deduce he was important without knowing who he is.

>>47409754
Oh wow. That does sound cool.

Man, I liked Khans block a lot. I know it is in vogue to hate the idea of revisiting sets, but Khans could use more. It is a great setting. I love the Krumar and whatnot. Hell, even post dragons, I like the cards talking about the Crave and whatnot.

>>47412033
Well Tarkir was a cool plane and it had a bunch of great cards. The wedge theme was fun as fuck too. It got really fucked over by it's last set though. With all that going on I feel like a revisit isn't just justified, it's downright necessary.

The fact that they switched from such a cool and diverse Wedge world to "dragons" is criminal.

>Mardu and Zurgo revealed
>fuck yes I love it
>Zurgo was turned into a bitch and LOLDRAGONS

they can't keep getting away with this

So for someone completely unversed in MTG lore, where do I start?

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>>47412209
I'm pretty fucking salty that a group as bad ass as the Mardu were reduced to lizard humpers. Dragons should be servants, not masters. I'm happy I got Alesha out of the deal but still.

>>47412135
Dragons are fucking gay.

>>47412135
I mean, setting wise, I feel it is still pretty diverse. I love the way the deserts, mountain peaks, jungles and frozen wastes all look.

I don't expect a wedge set again, there is apparently not enough design space, but if they could have wedge flavor on 2 color cards, that would be cool.

>>47412357
Admittedly, going full cannibalistic marauding beasts isn't quite being servents. Kologhan doesn't even ask for anything, unlike Atarka and Silumgar.,

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>>47404142
U waifu a shit

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>yfw they do to Alara what they did to Tarkir

>>47412560
They already did with the conflux.

>>47412245
By playing the fucking game and reading.

>>47412357
>I'm happy I got Alesha out of the deal
why tho?

>>47413000
Great fucking card, makes for a fun EDH commander with a lot of options. Let's me use the grave, tokens and light combo elements without over committing to any of them.

Could someone sum up SOI lore for me? Or can I find a few page rundown if I just buy a fatpack? I really don't feel like slogging down page after page of weekly story, especially not on mobile.

>>47413076
>>47401446

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>>47413076
Fat pack will basically tell you everything. Nahiri is annoyed because Sorin didn't help Zendikar then locked her in the Helvault for a millennia(according to Avacyn being in the Helvault is terrible, you're conscious but can't move or act, all you can feel is the mass of demons scratching you in the darkness). Nahiri decides to get revenge on him by inflicting the same on Innistrad, she needs Avacyn out of the way so she uses the cryptoliths to rape her mind, driving her insane. Following Mad Avacyn's lead the church starts an inquisition, other humans turn to demon worship, others join Thalia in rebellion. Nahiri is hard at work trying to summon something but can't because Avacyn is still protecting the plane. Jace is wandering around and reading about all this from Tamiyo's journal, he decides what better idea than to go ask Avacyn nicely why she's evil. He meets Tamiyo there, they take on Avacyn and get wrecked but learn that the other angels are mad through Avacyn and that she's holding something back. Sorin arrives, Avacyn comes mostly to her senses but thanks to Sorin programming her to think he's good because he made her and she's good she attacks him, because she's been doing evil things which makes him the greater evil for making her or something. Sorin unmakes Avacyn, immediately regrets decision as what she's been holding back starts to manifest.(It's probably Emrakul)

Basically the jist of it, it's pretty dumb so far.

>>47413352
>being in the Helvault is terrible, you're conscious but can't move or act, all you can feel is the mass of demons scratching you in the darkness
I am reminded of how good and benevolent Avacyn once was. Because despite how horrible the Helvault was, she proclaimed she would have rather spent an eternity locked away in that prison than release the demons inside. She would rather suffer in an effective hell than let the world come to more further harm.

She was too fucking good for magic.

>>47413076
See >>47408866

>>47413521
>She was too fucking good for magic.
either that or masochistic

>>47413560
Nope. Too pure. Too perfect.

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>>47413560
>masochistic avacyn

>>47413591
those are not mutually exclusive, you know

>>47413521
>Many demons were imprisoned in the Helvault. Had I the choice, I would rather have remained within than escape and release them.
RIP best angel.

/tg/, I need your help. This may be a big favor to ask, but some players in a TTRPG group of mine asked me to run a campaign set in Zendikar. What are the main things I need to know about that particular region? I read through the wikipedia page for it and the stuff on the WoTC site, but those were both fairly small.

You know, at this point, I'm thinking the best way to resolve the story they've created is to completely fuck Innistrad up -not in the way they've been doing it by stomping on what it already had, but by following Avacyn's destruction to it's natural conclusion.
Have all those holy wards and symbols start failing and going inert. The Cursemute breaks almost completely, with only the Wolfir who'd accepted being a beast in the first place retaining their capacity for rational thought. Vampires resurge as the wards containing them fail and the hunters who were pushing them back suddenly lose the strength that had allowed them to face the blood-drinkers on even footing. The church, losing it's power, turns to Inquisition to try and maintain a semblance of order, causing what few human strongholds remain to either fracture due to infighting or become totalitarian dystopias where the citizenry is under as much threat from their "protectors" as they are from the monsters in the night. Demons surge forth, and this time the angels are insufficient to drive them back, and can't even organize to do so as they once did due to the lingering effects of the stones.
Have the fires of Innistrad fade into darkness, with light after light of human strongholds being snuffed out, until everything is cold and grey. Have the vampires realize too late that the peoples they rely on for sustenance have been hunted into extinction, their aristocratic society breaking down as they begin to starve, the hunger they felt no need to control before now driving them to turn on each other, blindly trying to feed on their own tainted blood to survive a little longer.
Let demons gain sway over the world, and corrupt the very land as their influence spreads like an infection, twisting and warping the world itself. Let the graves grow empty, as the dead roam the land endlessly.
Then sit Jace and the rest down on the highest mountain in this plane and tell them "You done fucked it up."

>>47413999
WotC actually recently released a thing for DnD 5e specifically for running games in Zendikar

give it a look.

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>>47413352
>>47413521
>>47413560
>>47413591
>>47413633
>>47413666
>according to Avacyn being in the Helvault is terrible, you're conscious but can't move or act, all you can feel is the mass of demons scratching you in the darkness

I think that it's clearly implied beyond any other interpretation that

Mass of demons = mass of dicks and tentacles
scratching = with the penises
in the darkness= the darkest place of someone = anus
feel = refering to pleasure
you're conscious but can't move or act = can't say no and the typical "my hips are moving on their own"

So yeah, of course it's clear why Avacyn didn't wanted to get out. She was getting the D eternally in ways no human or angel knows, in the ass, deep.

Nahiri probably is just tsundere because she wanted vampire D not demon D.

>>47414092
I hope they play up the trap angle. I love traps.
Err, not that kind.

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>>47414168
I already plan on commissioning exactly that scene.

>>47414279
CUTE!

>>47413521
It's doubly ridiculous because Avacyn Restored was supposed to give the players a good ending after the absolute bad (not as in poorly written, but the villains absolutely won) ending of Scars of Mirrodin.

They could have easily gone back to Innistrad without straight-up murdering the plane. But they seem to have a hard-on for doing that lately...

>>47414867
But Scars was terribly written.

>>47414882
The books might've been, but I enjoyed the writing that was on the cards.

>>47413999
I'm going to assume you don't know much/anything about the setting to begin with, just so as to be able to hit everything. If you know some of this stuff already, all the better.
The best thing to do is to read the Planeswalker's Guide to Zendikar and articles published alongside Rise of the Eldrazi. They're kind of a bitch to find now, due to Wizards swapping their site around a few times, so I compiled them for you http://pastebin.com/Bb0QzVRM Of course, looking at the cards is also a good idea (flavor text and art and whatnot)

Then, consider at what point in time you want to run your game - before the Eldrazi are released, during their rampage, or after their defeat.
Beforehand, the plane is very much ADVENTURE WORLD with mysterious ruins and whatnot, many of which hint towards the lurking dangers buried in the plane. The main difference between it and your typical D&D setting is that A) everything is shifting everywhere, B) Floating hedrons fucking everywhere, and C) the world itself is trying to kill you.
Setting it after the Eldrazi are released means you have a horde of nigh-unstoppable eldritch abominations wrecking havoc and literally destroying the entire world. Less ADVENTURE, more survival-horror. The world is trying to kill you AND things from out of this world are trying to kill you.
After their defeat, the continents of Sejiri and Bala Ged are completely desolate, Guul Draz is barely habitable, and Tazeem was the site of the final battle (and was fucked over royally). There's still some lesser Eldrazi left - twitching cells and limbs of a creature - but the plane has been saved. It is now time to rebuild, so the focus would likely be on keeping alliances intact, finding survivors, and rebuilding what was lost. For something set at this point, you'd probably want to at least skim over some of the stuff from Battle for Zendikar and Oath of the Gatewatch

>>47414867
Don't you know? You're not allowed to have good endings anymore, because it's not gripping and tragic enough! Everybody is sick of happy endings because everything always has a happy ending, so we're breaking the trend!
Or something along that line of thinking. I... honestly can't remember the last game I've played, tabletop or otherwise, that had a clear-cut "happy ending" instead of a tragic or bittersweet conclusion at best, stupid or indifferent conclusion at worst.

>>47415182
I just want Avacyn back. This hole in my heart is too much to bear.

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>>47415294
It's okay anon, she'll always be in our hearts.

>>47415392
Your heart is exiled?
Can I process your heart to loot?

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>>47415524
Well by that logic my heart would be the exiled zone, either way, it works.

>>47401446
I just read all of SOI's story today and I back this summary wholeheartedly. Especially the "lesbian werewolf hunters" part, that train wreck of a writing attempt was an incredibly clumsy way to just interpose Bruce Jenner Arlinn Kord into the very edge of things

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>>47406512
His face in this art just gets me right in the heart.

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>>47415602
I traded this card away as fast as I could, nothing worse than winning and the prize being sadness.

>>47402954
>>47403698
I wasnt around for Urza so i dont know how different it is now. What bothers me is mostly how... childish... so many of the planeswalkers are acting. They don't think like logical people.

>>47405357
>I honestly don't foresee a conclusion with her staying dead being satisfying
Same. To be completely honest, the only logical way I see this ending right now is with Innistrad dead. At the very best, it's going to be as raped as Zendikar. Unless they can restore balance by restoring Avacyn, the plane will eventually die, just as Sorin predicted. Even if the Vampires and demons have devastated numbers after this, even if somehow the humans come out on top, it is only a matter of time until the darkness of Innistrad reasserts itself. Without a means to combat the darkness with an equal and opposing force, Innistrad will eventually fall to the demons.

Avacyn is necessary. She is tied to the plane's very identity, both within the lore and without. It is a crime to leave her dead, but it will be very hard for WotC to bring her back without some awful contrived reason.

>>47415649
They're honestly a hell of a lot more mature than oldwalkers were. The flashback to when Nahiri and Sorin were oldwalkers was...pretty much how all oldwalkers acted.

>>47415649
I think that is part of the point, though. It's a classic and almost Shakespearean character flaw.

Threadly reminder to pledge your fealty to the Church of Sigarda, who will do what Avacyn wouldn't and destroy vampires.

>>47415679
>The flashback to when Nahiri and Sorin were oldwalkers was...pretty much how all oldwalkers acted.
This. This is more true than I can even begin to state.

And even though they were both being prideful, arrogant, and incredibly childish about the whole thing, it was refreshing to see true oldwalkers again. And, true to form, they acted exactly like so many oldwalkers before them.

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>>47415698
Get out.

Avacyn is pure I tell you! PUUUUUREE!

>>47415679
>>47415712
>they acted exactly like so many oldwalkers before them.

Haven't read about that?
How exactly they acted?

>>47415865
Basically, they acted in such a way that had they been willing to talk out their problems and compromised, literally none of this shitstorm would be fucking happening. But Sorin is a terrible communicator and Nahiri is a bipolar kor.

>>47415698
>destroy vampires
>wanting that
did we learn nothing from Edwin Markov?

>>47415954
Who?

>>47415954

It's a neccessity at this point. They're too stupid to survive without Avacyn keeping them in check.

It's humanity or vampires, and it's really just humanity because the vampires will starve once the humans are dead anyway.

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>>47416049
True. Dammit, Avacyn should still be alive.

Who is most pure, Pre-SOI Avacyn, Elspeth, Serra, or Elesh Norn? Who is least pure? Why?

>>47416413

Pre-SOI Avacyn would be the most pure, as she was created utterly filled with the will and desire to protect Innistrad's people, and lacked the foibles Elspeth and Serra possess.

Elesh Norn is the least pure, as she is the face of utter corruption incarnate, but deluded into thinking it is those who are not yet tainted that are the unclean ones.

>>47416510
>Elesh Norn is the least pure, as she is the face of utter corruption incarnate, but deluded into thinking it is those who are not yet tainted that are the unclean ones.

If were talking about sexual purity, Elesh is 100% the most pure without a doubt.
Phyrexians don't have any kind of sex.

Avacyn is clearly dressed like a suicide girls slut, and the other angels have red, the slut color.

>>47413999
This is something I am doing as well, kindred. I am researching the Zendikar lore and reading the BFZ and OGW shit but I am undecided on who the BBEG should be at the end. I'm leaning towards Ulamog or Ob Nixilis

> avacyn
> good
Is a machine "good" because it's programmed to do good things?
She had no choice in the matter, she just does what she was designed to do.
There's no moral compulsion or choice involved.

> all of the planeswalkers are acting irrational and childish
I think this is actually a clue that more is going on than what is being given for face value.
1. Jaces madness: Lili said he was acting very unlike Jace, and was very quick to think whatever was going on in the ocean was her fault.
2. Sorin somehow managed to not receive the signal about the eldrazi being free, everything else could just be sorin being the average uncaring dick, but lore wise he seemed to actually give a shit about nahiri.
3. Nahiri, really that pissed at sorin? Even though he actually gave believable reasons to why she didn't show? And how in the fuck did she manage to beat titans by herself? Did she just let them ravage zendikar while she created this supposed beacon to draw eldrazi to innistrad? She seems to be acting irrationally as well.
4. Raven man: Could he be manipulating all these walkers for some personal gain?

>>47414060
Lesbian furry walker is going to find a way to turn the majority of weres into wolfir, and wolfir will take up the mantle of protectors of humanity.

>>47413352
Fat pack booklet says nothing about nahiri being locked in the helvault.

I don't know why this keeps being brought up.

>>47409676
He cant; that was something he accomplished with his oldwalker power

>>47412245
Take a wiki walk and check out the mtg story archive on the official website

>>47417428
It is implied. How else would Sorin have subdued her in a fashion that made her disappear until now?

>>47418084

A damn good fucking?

>>47418084
Sorin didn't make her go any where. Nor was it implied any where, and you would think the first fucking thing she would bring up is being fucking locked in a silver prison for a few years instead of why didn't you show up to zendikar
nahiri helvault theorists are retarded.

>>47409321
I thought whether Mirrodin fell or triumphed was based on a major tournament.

>>47404767
Only if you're homo, Anon.

>>47415679
Well shit.
>>47415686
I can see what you're coming from. If only they could work more novelty and humor into the writing like Shakespeare did instead of just rigidly sticking to contrived character personalities so alien to common sense that they sometimes feel more unsettling to read about than what I imagine an eldrazi viewpoint would read like.

>>47409669
Or maybe all these plebs are such cheap sluts they'll jump at a chance to leech off you as a mana battery, the whores

>>47418224
She hasn't actually shown up in any of the present-day stories. Only in the flashback to the past that ends with her near the helvault and Sorin and Avacyn doubleteaming her.

>>47418224
I admit there aren't any quotations to point to, but then why would Nahiri have been absent from all the action this whole time until right now, even when her beloved home plane was being utterly ruined? It just doesn't add up to me, and I don't see any other possibilities that make any sense, as outlandish as this one may seem.

>>47418224
Actually I rescind my prior claim that there is only one scenario I find plausible for the inclusion of
>>47418132
You've got me there, anon. You've got me there.

>>47398901
>nothin personel...kid

LOL

>>47405357
>>47405413
the age of angels and demons is over. the vampires and the werewolves shall rule innistrad. Incoming Sorin God tier ruler.

>>47417398
God I hope Arlinn Kord's not a canon lesbian. Take Liliana or something, anyone but the wolf milf.

Isn't it theorized that Nahiri went to a comatose like state in the eye of ugin or has that been debunked?

>>47398653
Get a friend to dress up like Avacyn and go for a hatefucking until you get it out of your system. Bonus points if you dress up as Sorin.

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>>47398901

<unintelligible beatboxing>

Every fucking time.

>>47408725

Also because NANOMACHINES, SON.

>>47409288

The thing is, all it wold take is knowing about him and blasting his face off, since he's a normal dude.

The extent to which he gets away with his Just As Planned bullshit is amazingly contrived in the books, so your real problem is ten thousand layers of plot armour.

>>47417112
>I am undecided on who the BBEG should be at the end. I'm leaning towards Ulamog or Ob Nixilis.
Don't go with Ulamog, anyone who's paid even the slightest attention to Magic will see them coming. Also, the Eldrazi aren't villains they're a force of nature. Like climate change, or a meteor strike: something the entire world has to band together to survive.

Ob Nilixis on the otherhand, is a proper villain. He plots, he schemes, and he casually breaks heroes over his knee. If you use him in his "trying to regain planeswalker spark" stage, he makes a good evil to try and thwart.

>>47419134
Fuck its annoyingly hard to find Polish Tamales porn.

>>47418480
>the age of angels and demons is over
The angels have gone doolally, but the demons are doing fantastically. All the ones Avacyn imprisoned have been released, and Griselbrand's essence has reincarnated as Ormendahl. To me, this looks like a second apocalypse that no-one has been paying attention to: the Skirsdag cultists have basically won.

>>47417342
1. He booped the wrong head
2. I believe that was part of the ward he placed on Innistrad
3. Nahiri was pissed because he said "fuck off" when she tried to get him to hold up his end of the bargain. She was able to redo the seal on Zendikar herself since the titans hadn't fully escaped. Once she escaped the helvault, she went back to Zendikar to see the Eldrazi, who she was told couldn't be killed, nomming her plane and she wasn't strong enough to bind them. Also at this point, the civilizations she grew up with had long been extinct because of the Eldrazi the first go around and the Roil that was a result of imprisoning them.Though since she is attuned to stones, maybe whatever is chillin' up in Innistrad's moon was putting her on edge.
4. Most likely, though he could just be manipulating Lili.

when are we getting Eldritch Moon spoilers ?

>>47419463
Month and half more or less.

>>47417115
In Avacyn's own words, an angel is literally made of goodness. Angels are not robots. Can you give them directives? Sure. But they are still living creatures with their own minds and emotions. They just represent the most holy and noble aspects of a living being.

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>>47419354
Griselbrand's essence was obliterated, he's the only truly dead demon on Innistrad, my money would be on Ormendahl being Withengar's essence.

>>47420198
I like to think of Avacyn as a sleeper agent. She's a normal person with a personality and emotions but she has things programmed into her such as perceiving Sorin as good because he made her and being unable to overstep and create imbalance towards the humans.
In all likelihood it was this programming that Nahiri took advantage of to corrupt her, she already has programming to see a specific person a certain way if you manipulate that you can turn it into seeing everyone as horrible monsters with mouths for eyes. If Sorin wasn't a selfish dick and just made an angel without the bullshit I don't think any of this could have happened and I believe that's what Avacyn realised too which is why she attacked him. He made her with flaws intentionally because it benefited him to do so, thus he is the source of her evil acts making him the greater evil.

Honestly Avacyn had so much room for character development if she survived this for so many reason, not least of which living with the acts she committed. But I guess we can't have that, we've got to have stale stereotypes being best friends and saving the world.

>>47403975
I still hope for a Serra Planeswalker card, somehow...

>>47420886
Angels can't have sparks.

>>47420915
...you know Serra was the planeswalker who created the Serra Angels, right? She wasn't an Angel herself.

>>47420973
Oh, that makes more sense.

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>>47421101
Still, you could get angel planeswalkers. Either in the same was as Karn where someone else gave them their spark or like Ob Nixilus where he had one and became a demon, there's already precedent for humans becoming angels. Honestly it's pretty lame that we still don't have any.

>>47421153
Given that in the last few years we've seen a devil and demon planeswalker, it's only a matter of time until we get an angel planeswalker. There is definitely a longstanding fan demand for it. We just have to be patient and wait.

>>47420688
I could see her being a sleeper agent. That makes a good deal of sense. It would explain how, despite her insanity, seeing Sorin and recognizing him as her creator returned her to almost normalcy for a moment or two.

As for character development, yes she could've had a lot more, but at least we got what we did in the last UR article.

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>>47421216
If anything that made it worse, same for 'A Gaze Blank and Pitiless', she got character development just before something horrible happened to her. If they'd just said she was basically a robot I wouldn't have felt so bad, but as it is reading what happened to her in Gaze hurt a fucking lot, she's a real person and had to endure what amounts to serious mental torture for months?(Based on the time between first being effected and becoming the Purifier being a cycle of the moon which appear to be like seasons on Innistrad with each cycle happening once a year) She had to put up with a constant low buzzing that muffled all thoughts except the ones not her own that just kept repeating, that's some hellish imagery right there, honestly reading that made me feel ill.

Having Sorin and Avacyn's relationship to each other be confirmed that they see themselves like father/daughter just before he kills her isn't a bonus it's just salt in the wound. Then you've got to see her crying as he unmakes her because she's distraught at the things she's done and will never get to put right. It's like the whole thing was set up to be sad and painful just for the sake of it and I hate that, it's bad enough that they're killing off beloved characters without them kicking us at the same time.

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>>47420886
I want a "Serra, Mother of Angels" planeswalker simply so we can have Rebecca Guay illustrate it.

Terese Nielsen would be fine too.

>>47421190
>MtG
>introducing another W planeswalker
You know they've been systematically killing off all the big named W characters, right? If they ever had an angel planeswalker, it would probably be a WB at best, assuming they even leave the white and don't swap it for green or some shit.
Gotta get that edgy preteen crowd, yo!

>>47421357
Yeah, they really twisted the knife on the tragedy aspect. By doing all that you mentioned, they basically made Avacyn one of the most tragic figures in modern magic. She is shown to be an actual person, and a paragon of good. She is shown to experience pain, trauma, and regret. Then in the end, she is arguably needlessly expunged from existence in the exact spot where she was born by her effective father, who clearly does not want to harm her. Even then, despite the madness (which we know is not her fault and she could not stop, even though she tried), despite the destruction, all she ever tried to do was protect the innocent. I mean, goddamn. That's some excessive tragedy right there. Especially considering that her death was probably avoidable.

>>47421153
....goddamnit, Sigarda is going to end up with Sorin's Spark, isn't she?

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>>47421680
Exactly. I'm just so far detached from this now that it's so hard to care about EMN, what's the point there cannot possibly be a good conclusion after this. I'm sure Wizards know that there are people who play almost entirely for the characters and flavour and yet they do shit like this, at least Elspeth's death meant something and through Ajani's actions may lead to lasting good on Theros. Avacyn just got tortured for an entire set then killed for no good reason, actually hastening the plane towards disaster, that's some bullshit right there. I think this all stems from blatant misunderstanding about what people liked about Innistrad the first time around, AVR didn't do as well and mostly that was because of the cards not the story anyone who read anything about the lore there would know that AVR was not a victory it was just survival. So they decide to make this set the grimdarkest shit possible and kill off Avacyn destroying hope for the plane, hope makes dark stories worth reading even if the hope turns out to be false in the end, if there's no reason to believe things will get better then there's no draw, no reason to be engaged. That's why the 3-part story of Innistrad worked, no matter how bad things got there was always the chance Avacyn could get out of the Helvault and help, this is just grimdark garbage.

>>47421741
I'd personally kill someone at WotC if that happened, fuck Sigarda.

>>47421816
>Avacyn just got tortured for an entire set then killed for no good reason
Oh, there was a reason alright. And that reason is that Nahiri's a fucking bitch.

>>47421816
>this set is the grimdarkest shit possible
You can say that again.

I mean, FUCK... fucking why?

>>47421816

>I'd personally kill someone at WotC if that happened, fuck Sigarda.

She is by far the least cool of the angels IMO.

I'd have much rather either of the others. Do we know what happened to them after they got mind-fucked into copies of each other?

>>47415730

How do angels keep their legs in shape if they fly around?

>>47422191
Magic. Literally.

>>47422189
So far as we know, they should be returned to normal. Expect penitent angels next set.

>>47422191
Because Avacyn is goddess of dem thighs.

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>>47417342
>yfw the Raven Man is Mishra

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>>47422262
Mishra's dead, r-right?
Right!?

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>>47422262
>Mishra survived and had been hiding on Phyrexia and fucking with various Neo-walkers this whole time
>Becomes the new Father of Machines

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>>47422262
For comparison


>Raven Man

>>47422482
Assuming he's not a hallucination, my money is on him being one of the brothers.

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>>47422482
>Mishra

>>47422482
>>47422501
actually, that could also be Urza.


>Urza still is technically inside Karn
>Infected by the oil he's reaching out trying to set the stage for his return

>>47419349
Doesn't he have a deviant art page?

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>>47422537
>Everyone thought the Praetors were trying to turn Karn into the Father of Machines
>In reality they were trying to turn Urza into the Father

>>47404072
I would argue Iona because she is gigantic

>>47422768
That didn't help Grizzle-dizzle, now did it?

>>47418234
But everyone is bi, Anon.

>>47418230
They start making sets like two years in advance; the outcome was set in stone before we even got Scars.

>>47422189
I'd like it because I like GW walkers for EDH. She is pretty shit, though.

>>47423571
I'd prefer getting Avacyn or Elspeth as an angel walker. Or both.

>>47423629
It is 100% going to be Elspeth

>>47423629
I agree with other anon on Serra, Mother of Angels. If we're going to be resurrecting characters, I want that sweet 0: Put a 4/4 Angel creature token with flying onto the battlefield.

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>>47423571
I honestly don't understand why Avacyn didn't kill her for heresy while she was mad. I mean she's also not done anything in any of the stories since 'vowing to stop her', garbage angel unfitting of replacing Avacyn.

>>47423629
Sorin giving his spark to Avacyn is much more plausible. Sadly if Elspeth escapes the underworld she'll likely gain Black like the rest of the returned.

>>47423664
Why not both? Then they can meet and have girl time before going out to smite evil.

>>47423687
>>47423571
Wait, why do you guys all hate Sigarda? She seems comfy as fuck. She gives all humans hexproof, including YOU! How cute is that?

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>>47424204
Idk, I just find her to be really boring by comparison to her sisters. Though, Sigarda represents birth and life and stuff, so she's probably really stacked, got to have something going for her I guess.

>>47423684
They're not going to ressurect Serra, she's been dead since Homelands. You might get her in a supplemental set.
Elspeth CAN come back due to the wonkiness of Theros, but not Serra, who let herself die.

>>47423687
Elspeth getting out of the Underworld as a planeswalker by necessity means she won't be a Returned - she kinda needs to keep her body and soul together to keep her spark, and becoming a Returned explicitly splits those.

>>47424804
They printed Teferi and Freylise in a Commander set. So while she won't turn up in story, she is definitely possible.

>>47401446
>Lesbian Werewolf Hunters
what

>>47424804
Maybe in Time Spiral 2.0?

>>47424978
Two characters from the first UR article that everyone made a huge deal about, even though they don't do lesbian stuff in the story and literally never show up again.

>>47424889
I did say 'supplemental set', like Commander. But that's not resurrecting her, which is what the person wanted. Just getting her a card.
Of course, there's people who think Freyalise is alive or that Teferi is still a walker because of that commander release...

>>47425006
>Time Spiral 2: Phyrexian Boogaloo

>>47422482
That's one of the brothers no doubt.
Please wizard, do this for _me_

Why there are human werewolves but no human zombie or human vampire ???

>>47398653
You act like nothing has ever returned from exile.

>>47425965
To use an improper metaphor, think of zombie or vampire as a different race, while werewolf is kinda like a DnD template.

>>47425965
If you're talking about DFC, then there has been both of those in the original Innistrad block. They probably wanted to focus on the separate tribes this set and didn't have room for those, we may see some next set.

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>>47404234
Not the same anon as before, But in lore wise, Akroma would slaughter Avacyn. Especially now that Avacyn is red. Akroma is probably the most skilled fighter of all Angels.

And remember, Akroma was hit by Phage the Untouchable and still lived.

And if you want to go by card wise, Avacyn isn't indestructible anymore. And Akroma has a destroy everything on the board attack.

>>47425936
God I hope so

>you might actually live to see either Urza or Mishra fuck with the Multi-verse from beyond the grave

>>47404363
>>47404418
In this theory, all Angels are already in play. And Avacyn is red. Akroma is pro Red. Avacyn is a 6/5. Akroma is a 6/6 first strike. And Avacyn hasn't been indestructible since she lost her way.

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>>47415392
Don't worry, Avacyn is still in my Reanimator deck and I can bring her back anytime I want to. I can even turn 1 her if you need to see her so quickly.

>>47426329
Hello Vronak

>>47420915
>>47421101
I'm sure Angels can be given a spark by a Planeswalker just like Karn was... Twice.

>>47426146
Avecyn has exile all and summon a 4/4

>>47426377
I thought since Angel's aren't technically born they cannot get a spark

>>47422496
He's not a hallucination. Jace saw him too. Also, hallucinations cannot tell you things you don't already know.

And it's Urza. Just look at how he's dressed.

>>47426411
They cannot naturally have a spark. However, neither can Karn - he's gotten both of his sparks from other planeswalkers giving them to him.
Giving one's spark kills the walker, mind you, so doing so has ONLY happened in the case of Karn.

>>47426436
Was Phyrexia ever able to take a spark out of a walker forcibly?

>>47422537
>>47422753
Urza isn't inside of Karn. Urza's spark is. Urza died as a head when he sacrificed his life to power the Legacy to obliterate Yawgmoth and the Phyrexians.

Raven Man is just Urza's ghost trying to get Liliana to obtain enough power to resurrect him.

>>47423664
Elspeth is staying dead until we return to Theros. And then she'll be human again when they bring her back from the gates of the underworld.

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>>47426451
>Implying it isn't yawgmoth
>Implying Wizards hasn't been lying to us for years saying he's never coming back
>Implying he isn't going to slap the Jace and the Funky Bunch around with his big black mana formed cock


I know this is never going to happen and he should absolutely stay dead

>>47423684
> 0:
Shit. That would be -4 at least. More likely it would be -2: Put a 4/4 Angel token with flying and haste into the battlefield. Exile it at the end of turn.

>>47426374
*waves hand* Yo.

>>47426389
What is Avacyn's exile all?

>>47426446
Not yet. They tried with Glissa and Karn and couldn't do it. However, when a planeswalker becomes infected with glistening oil, they lose their spark.

>>47426498
As much as I don't want this to happen it would make sense for Wizards to lie about the possibility of Yawgmoth coming back.

>>47426522
It's not a good thing that you're so identifiable.

>>47426498
Well, the goddess Karona saw Yawgmoth still alive in a vision. Though, we don't know if it's true or not. Perhaps Urza will return when Yawgmoth returns and they'll get to kill eachother in a grand spectacle.

>>47426569
Apparently I'm not. Two other people have been labled as myself before. But, it's easy when I post my deck and someone remembers it.

>>47426571
We actually know for a fact that wasn't true -she also saw Teferi, and Teferi confirmed he never saw her (because Jeska had Karona's memories).
Karona was hallucinating like mad.

>>47426571
According to Wizards that wasn't Yawgmoth.

Also
>Implying Yawg and Urza wouldn't conquer the Multi-verse together

>>47426535
descent upon the sinful, it didnt work on sorin when she tried to do it to him.

>>47426589
Or she was seeing the future.

>>47426610
Well, Sorin isn't a creature. Also, that might be an ability of Avacyn just because she's in the artwork with a lot of other Angels.

Akroma's Vengence is labelled her's directly.

>>47426613
Teferi dies to bolas, so how can she meet future teferi when he got owned so hard.

>>47426635
Descent is her summoning angels to wreck shit. Sorin wrecked her angels.

>>47426639
see
>>47425502

>>47426501
Serra, Mother of Angels - 4WW
Planeswalker - Serra -
{+2}: Gain 1 life for each creature you control.
{-3}: Put a 4/4 Angel creature token with Flying and Vigilance onto the battlefield under your control.
{-9}: Put X 4/4 Angel creature tokens with Flying and Vigilance onto the battlefield under your control, where X is your life total.
Starting loyalty: {6}

I wanted to give her a better plus, but couldn't think of one.

>>47426673
Even with an extinguished spark teferis soul is made of aether. Teferi cant be timeshifted.

>>47426722

This is a bit better. But, I feel like it would be a bit too powerful as a real card.

>>47426501
>>47426722
Make her 4WWWW and it can be her 0.

>>47426734
We've literally seen the 4th wall get broken to fix a plot hole. Worse things have happened

>>47426763
Both of those sound stupid.

>>47418259
If you want humor look at teferi, a literal class nigger turned into one of the most powerful chronomancers in the multiverse. Or if thats not funny, jace erases all the cringy shit hes ever done because the memories of his fuckups make him want to die.

>>47426793
Having WWWW in the mana cost means that the earliest you can bust it out is T4, even with Sol Ring, Mana Crypt/Vault, etc. making it a perfectly balanced EDH card.

>>47426758
Yeah, I think I made her starting loyalty a bit high. But she has no "kill thing" option, just pumps out infinite angels.

Also, is it just me or have planeswalkers become incredibly derivative these last few sets? It's always "+1 card advantage, -2 remove permanent".

>>47418326
>sorin and avecyn double teaming nahiri
Go on please, i need this.

>>47423279
They made two sets, one for Pyrexia and one for Mirroden

>>47409302
Haven't Lorwyn and Shadowmoore fused together to become a plane with a regular day/night cycle?

>>47426780
Would you be surprised to know venser is dead and out of the story also? I love teferi but that dude got 100% owned and his lands phased out before he died and theyre never comming back. Thats how hard he died. Just let him rip.

>>47426976
They were the same place, just under a fae curse. Its better now that the green half that split off from oona is in charge.

>>47410751
>>47410851
I'd like to see a new block set on post-Time Spiral Dominaria.

>>47426956
Nope. Just New Phyrexia. Mirrodin Pure was never made in any way, shape, or form, nor was there any chance for it to happen.

>>47427016
But the Oona who killed usurped Oona to take over the plane is monoblack

>>47427055
>And that's Urborg.....we don't talk about that place

>>47412650
Conflux mixed the five sub-planes, allowing for new interactions between colors and abilities in the block.
Dragons restricted color combinations to bicolor, something we already see quite often and has already been explored with the two Ravnica blocks.

>>47427121
Fuck, i always forget merelen isnt green

>>47418344
>>47418326
If that were the case why did Sorin wonder where Nahiri was and even think she was dead if he was the one who put her in stasis? Unless he forgot which would be absolutely retarded

>>47427289
He doesnt know where the helvault goes, for all he knew he thought it got rid of shit and just sent it somewhere else on the outside of his planar barrier. He really didnt seem to know how it worked when nahiri came.

>>47427181
And yet Alara Reborn was still a set consisting of almost entirely two color cards.

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>>47427289
Because SOI wasn't planned when they wrote that, it's a retcon that she's in the Helvault, there's not really any other explanation for why she only showed up now and is still alive after 1000 years as she's no longer immortal. Sorin either forgot or didn't care, either way he let her run around on his plane making a network of shit to rape his plane and torture his daughter. Sorin is a shit.

>>47427089
Just checked and you right. They just said Mirrodin pure existed to leave the resolution open

>>47427342
Alara reborn was about mixing shards, if the ug and wu cards still fit together then bants identity still exists. If the design doesnt work then you get 4 color goodstuff decks.

>>47427055
It has been several decades since the temporal disaster ravaged the continent of Dominaria, and rebuilding has been slow...except in the newly recently reclaimed nation of Madara. While all other nations face constant setbacks and disasters, Madara stands strong, ever rising under the watch of its mysterious Emperor, and has become a hub of activity, the first truly great nation since the disasters. Emissaries and ambassadors from all over seek alliances and aid from Madara, while refugees seek to settle in the ever-growing nation, seeing it as the safest place in still-dangerous times.
Yet rumors abound that Madara's prosperity has, in fact, been at the expense of the other nations. That all other attempts at rebuilding have failed to keep Madara as the shining star of Dominaria. But who would do such a thing?
Fuckan Bolas, of course, cause he wants to play SimEmpire again. The twist is that he has no evil schemes for Madara, it's just His Things and he wants His Things to be Perfect and Best

>>47427334
So he made the damn thing but has no idea how it really functions? That's even worse

>>47427356
Seems like a really huge thing to retcon considering that was part of the reason why Sorin went to Tarkir instead of looking for a possibly alive Nahiri

>>47427395
Keeping dominarias powerlevel down is good for reality. Fucking arcanis is stilll alive projecting himself onto other planes. Nobody needs to deal with dominaria if they werent born there, its a cosmic punishment to live there.

>>47427440
Since when is Arcanis projecting himself onto other planes?

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>>47427422
There's really no other explanation, he and Avacyn fought her in front of the Helvault then she disappeared for 1000 years. Either it's a clumsy retcon or Sorin is a complete fucking moron, actually either way he's a moron.

>>47427422
He didnt know it would block out nahiris sos signal even, he straight up copied the design from nahiri and used it. He pirated her wards.

>>47427452
speed vs cunning, kruphix can see other planes and is blue. arcanis can see other worlds but wants to keep everyone from learning as much as him. Thats the max level non walker blue ability of illusions and futuresight, seeing other realities and projecting yourself there.

>>47427377
that is also the reason why I'm never convinced 100% that yawgmoth is deader than dead

>>47426822
Having a planeswalker cost WWWW in their mana cost would make it damn near unplayable. And when you can play it, I'll instantly be punted off the board. It needs more balance.

>>47426833
The only problem I have is that you can pop her ultimate off third turn from when she's played. Also, she needs more than just token generation.

Perhaps

+1: Put a feather counter on target creature. That creature gets +3/+3, and has flying and vigilance, and is an Angel in addition to it's other types as long as it has a feather counter on it.

>>47426428
Yeah, he saw the Raven Man...when he was rooting around in Lili's mind. It could still be a conjuration of Lili's head, even if I think otherwise.

>>47427514
...arcanis showing up in a duel deck does not mean he was actually 'projecitng himself' to Tarkir. It wasn't Duel Decks Mardu vs Jeskai - it was a duel deck that happened to have preview cards for the next block in it.

>>47427739
Doubtful. I think Jace would be able to tell a hallucination from a real Spectre.

Also, remember, Jace learned his name and never got a chance to speak it.

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>>47427769
Jace was also completely off his rocker at the time though.

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>>47427769
Jace asked Liliana, Who is Urza?

Liliana says, He's... my father.