/swg/ - Inevitable Reboot Edition.

>>47365839
Jokes aside, I wouldn't necessarily be *against* an Episode 4/5/6 reboot.

>>47365839
>>47365866
idk man, OT is old, but having watched it recently it holds up quite well.

also Zac Efron is apparently a huge nerd, and whenever anyone complained about his existence I'd tell them "he's a cool guy, he was in Firefly" (which is true, he was in Firefly)

Do we have a rough idea as to when Imperial Veterans is going to drop? There's a tournement in late June I'm going to, and I'd like to go Imperial for a change.

>>47366110
I'm dying for imp vets, really want to fly the new Defenders so bad. I asked the owner of my LFGS and he just said within the next 4-6 weeks (Ausfag here).

>>47366124

A part of me want's to go double defenders, but even with discounts they're SO pricey.

>>47366124
Same here, my friends have been cool with proxy cards and both versions of Defenders are really mean.

>>47366134
I want to play around with a twin Defenders w/cannon title and Captain Jonus in a bomber shuttle and Fleet Officer for re-rolls and focus tokens galore.

>>47366110
>>47366124
>>47366144
Current time frame is anywhere between June 3rd to June 24th, assuming the shortest and latest of the estimated times on their page and no delays.

>>47366145

You can, but then you wont be able to take decent PS'd defenders. The best way of doing what you're suggesting I found to be this:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!71:170,144,-1:34:17:;193:27,144,-1:34:17:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.183&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

2 Defenders at Pilot Skill 9 with a 1pt initiative bit. You could run Rexler with VI if you want to challenge PS10 Poe, maybe remove Mareks Mk2 Engines if you need the bid point.
But having 2 guys at the same Pilot Skill has advantages of it's own.

Anyway, so the Bomber will move first, Mk2 Engines give him nice synergy with Systems Officer so he can offload a TL to someone, then use Fleet Officer to give focus to everyone nearby. Moving first means he can more easily make sure he can get this combo off.
This leaves Marek and Rex the action economy to get a TL of their own or a second Focus token (or Barrel roll into a more advantageous position if necessary) plus it means that even if one or the other get's blocked, they still have some tokens on them.

>>47366201
Ooh I was worrying about the shitty PS3 of the pilots. That list looks way better, I just need to nab a Fleet Officer from somewhere probably get it loose on ebay or something.

>>47366268

Or just buy a Decimator, they're still as good as they ever were, and it'd let you bring that lesser used Decimator - Rexler combo that used to be used every so often back when Decimator was king.

>>47366201
>>47366268

This could also work as a variant if you don't want to go double defender.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!71:170,144,-1:34:17:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.183;79:27,36,-1:-1:9:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

>>47366733
I've flown Whisper in 2 games now and I can't position him worth a crap and then he gets focussed down. Is there any general advice on flying Phantoms or is it just a matter of being less aggressive with one?

>>47367008
She*

>>47367072
My bad

>>47367072
You should know by now that the Imperial Navy specialises in traps.

>>47367008
As sad as it sounds your best bet is to get out your play mat, throw down six asteroids randomly, and then fly your Phantom around and around until you get a good feel for its maneuvering.

And yeah, Whisper's special decloak template can throw you for a loop sometimes.

>>47367008

You could take Soontir instead of Whisper, that does leave you with 4 points spare. You could give Rexler VI, but that still leaves 3 to go.
Perhaps swap the Mk2 engines of Rexler out for a Stealth Device or a Hull Upgrade?

Plus Soontir doesn't get that much out of your Fleet Officers as the other choices do, Focus token gain isn't really his problem.
Still, the Baron is still the Baron, and a PS10 Rexler with Tractors + a normal attack with two focus and a Target Lock (potentially) is nothing to sniff at either.

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Critique my list

>>47367191

This is for casual funtimes right?

>>47365949
>having watched it recently it holds up quite well.
I think the issue is that they no longer fit into their own canon. The story of Star Wars would make a lot more sense and be a lot more coherent if you could reshoot the OT and correct all of Lucas' Campbellian shit.

>>47367191
Should take Cluster Bombs instead.

>>47367215

And Sabine on one of them.

>>47367128
That sounds like a fairly sound plan might give it a few practice loops before I fly the Phantom next.

As for the de-cloak, I think someone recently recommended taking Intelligence Agent so I can better adjust my de-cloaks.

>>47367140
I fly Interceptors a lot (I love them so much) so I've been meaning to try something different.

>>47367008
Take an intelligence agent as training wheels. The best way is to just do it a bunch, think about where they want to be and position yourself accordingly.

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>>47365839
>Inevitable Reboot Edition
Obi-Wan Kenobi, I'm Galactic Empire.

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>people unironically not recoiling in horror at the idea of an OT reboot

>>47365949
Kinda how I feel about the dude who played Edward in Twillight, he's a cool dude in person who gives zero fucks. His interviews are pretty funny.

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How does the D6 system hold up to Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion? Is SAGA any good?
I'm considering running a game but can't really decide which one to go with or if I should just run it with White Star for simplicity.
Probably going to be KOTOR era for the thematic feel (minus whatever bullshit the MMORPG introduced), although then again I do really love the Empire. (the Rebellion can suck mah balls tho)

>>47367354
>implying it wasn't luke getting caught as a part of his plan to crashing the death star with no survivors

>>47367432
Haven't gotten to actually play any WEG Star Wars, but their sourcebooks were pretty great (and several of the upper-level LucasFilm employees, including Pablo Hidalgo, worked on the game at some point).

Saga is probably the best of the "technically not actually D&D" d20 variants. Which isn't saying much. People call Pathfinder D&D 3.75, but honestly that fits SWSE a lot better as it legitimately was a test bed for a number of 4e ideas.

Also, SAGA is a completely different game, and has nothing to do with Star Wars.

>>47367549
>d20 variant
Alright, so that rules out SAGA as the base system at least.
I guess it's down to White Star, WEG or the FFG ones.

How are the FFG games?
I don't mind funky dice but worry a bit when I hear words like "narrativist" thrown around.

>>47367191
PS2 ships aren't great at dropping bombs. You have to predict like crazy and your opponent can always react with repositioning.

Mines like proximity, conner, cluster are much better at lower PS because you can move first and drop them on ships before they can get out of the way.

K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Bombardier (1)
K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Bombardier (1)
K-Wing: Warden Squadron Pilot (23)
Extra Munitions (2)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Proximity Mines (3)
Advanced SLAM (2)
· Sabine Wren (2)
-- TOTAL ------- 100/100p. --

I've used this a few times to good effect. Jump on ships early, drop mines on them, slam and drop if necessary. Sabine lets you spike damage a bit. And if anything survives, you have the autoblasters for some extra ace insurance.

>>47365839
>Bieber
>???
>Efron

>>47367910
Biebers boyfriend, isn't it?

Guys I realized something. I think I might have experienced the best format in which Dark Empire can be read. At young age before I could read. To this day I stil haven't bothered reading most of it and got the story from episode 1-9 by looking at picture and my mom reading the first comic to me and then giving up, because fuck it, too many made up words.

So this is my version of dark empire.

>han, leia, c3po and chewie go to some planet where there was a space battle
>they see some spooky fighters and follow them to the big city where empire is fighting empire because they dunno who's boss now
>big ass battle and it's really cool
>lukes there and some gangsters and everybody fights, they have robots and dogs too
>then at AT-AT comes and luke fucks it up because he's jedi
>some storm comes an sucks luke up and sends him to emperor town where the emperor is and luke can't beat him so he joins him for now (totally knew luke wouldn't go bad)
>then the empire sends their new super weapon planet crushers that eat planets and make fighters to the squid planet and the rebels attack them with their stolen star destroyer but the planet crusher eats it
>also lando was the captain of that ship but he got away
>and everybody keeps bringing new fancy fighters to the the squid planet fight
>then the empire attacks some city with robots
>but the city has better robots
>so empire sends spooky fighters that destroys the robots
>but then the city sends beetle robots that destroy the spooky fighters and have shields
>also luke basically reinacts the episode 6 where he sorta doesn't evil but then actually not
>han and leia go to some city planet and meets han solos friends and it's episode 5 plus start 6 all over again

>>47367977
>then FUCKING BOBA FETT WASN'T DEAD
>8yearoldmindblown.jpg
>more star wars crime city stuff happens and they fight with more bounty hunters and the bounty hunters fight each other
>there's also an old jedi woman who gives a light saber to leia
>also something happens and rebels in boats board the planet crushers and the planet crushers are destroyed and luke kills the emperor and then destroyed his clones or something but then it was too late and there was a new emperor and he wins
>then they try to bust luke out but they get captured and han gets busted out by his friend but leia stays and does the episode 6 thing too, but she is now luke and luke is vader
>i get things kind of mixed up at this point but the emperor dies again and I think it was the storm that ate him or maybe that was later
>anyway luke and some other new guy goes to some planet full of light sabers and fighters tribe people and then the bad guy comes and the tree blows him up and the tribe people join luke
>han and leia does some more episode 5-6 stuff and runs into boba fett but then end up in the space fog and meet a flying ball man who also joins them
>they train to be jedi and luke kisses the tribe girl but then spider robots and dark jedi attack and tribe girl dies
>btw boba fett fights storm troopers at some point and chewie tears his head off and flies him into the roof but he doesn't die
>then the rebels and lando hide in the beetle robots and attack the empire when they land the robots but the monsters eat the robots but han solos friends save them
>then the emperor uses a big space cannon to shoot a missile at the rebel base and blows it up but the woman and squid man from episode 6 don't die
>leia and han also has two kids and gets another or something

Then I couldn't find the last three episodes which were not drawn by Cam Kennedy and were called Dark Empire part 2 or something.

tl;dr: Being 10 years old and unable to read makes Dark Empire great.

>>47367950
Ooooooh.

>>47367636
FFG's system is actually quite fun and once you get the hang of the dice, resolves checks quickly. I like it a lot.

It abstracts things like range and movement to make it more "action movie" but still has enough crunch to not be a "Narrativist Game"

The Advantage and Threat dice are a great mechanic for throwing wrenches into what would otherwise be simple successes and failures, and the system works REALLY well for social "combat" like trying to bluff your way through an Imperial Customs check.

Personally, running the FFG system with a hefty dose of the WEG material as sourcebooks seems like the most optimal way to go.

>>47367993
Honestly you weren't even that far off from the story either. Nice interpeting.

>>47367993
>10 years old
>can't read
Did you grow up in inner city detroit anon?

Spacebump

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>"Rebel fleet entering combat area. All ships, break formation, you are clear to engage."

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>>47371983
>"Alright, all squadrons give it everything you got! we have to hold them here or we lose the planet."

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>>47372004
>Suppressor, checking in
>Prototype Squadron, checking in
>Black Squadron checking in
>Requiem, checking in

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>>47372043
>Tantive IV, standing by
>Ghost here, standing by
>Gold squadron, standing by
>Blue squadron, standing by
>Dagger squadron, standing by

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>>47372079
>"All ships, weapons free! Engage, engage, engage!

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>>47372096
>Turn 2

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>>47372135
Turn 3. Sorry for the glare.

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>>47372157
>"Sir, we're getting hammered here! We can't hold them in a furball like thi-"
>"Tantive is down! I repeat, Tantive is down!"

>"Whisper here. Primary target disabled."
>"Excellent. All ships, prepare to break through. Their base will be ours soon enough"

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>>47372186
Sadly, we stopped taking pictures after that, but this 1000 point game of X Wing ended in an Imperial victory with the destruction of the Tantive, while the Raider and one Gozanti broke through enemy lines. A viewport breach killed Grand Moff Tarkin shortly before the other Gozanti was destroyed, so it wasn't a flawless victory.

So, the last picture you get is one we termed "Jelly Squadron"

>>47372186

Good grief. How many redbulls were consumed?

>>47372238
Many bottles of mexican soda with cane sugar

>>47372273
that will do it

Tournament epic when?

>>47374761
When scum get a huge

Hey, so I'm pretty new to X-wing, how does this list look?

I really don't like HLC, I don't get how that 4th die is that useful, especially since it doesn't work in range 1, costs 3 extra points over the mangler, and can't crit.

Mangler cannons for 99% of the time, but Tractors are just being brought along b/c I have 2 points leftover and I might be able to asteroid some people.

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>>47377072
Fuck, forgot to attach the image.

>>47377072

Because having four attack dice versus three defense dice can mean all the difference when fighting Imperial aces. Crits are quite nice, don't get me wrong, but generally speaking putting more actual damage on your target is worth more. Brobots are already a relatively low-damage list, and you won't have shots every turn. Gimping yourself when you do is generally not a good idea.

Also if you are going to take PtL generally you should take Adv. Sensors rather than FCS. Allows you to clear stress with a green maneuver after your actions. You will not be able to turn around with your current build, unless you don't use PtL and then you're being less efficient and broadcasting your moves.

Was at a regional tournament today and went 0-6. Has Wave 8 shifted the meta so much that all of my favorite ships (regen Poe, Corran, et al) aren't viable anymore?

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>>47377099
>Glitterstim on IGs
How the hell are the droids even taking those drugs?

>>47379630
How does Bender drink?

So are there any guides for the old d20 revised star wars classes? I can't seem to find any but I figured if there were you all would know where to find them, just trying to pour over the information asap and would like a tad bit of guidance rather then having to quickly read through pdfs and hope to find stuff.

>>47379630
I fluff it as illegal bootleg software.

>>47380284
>Droids getting high by downloading glitterstim.exe
Sounds like something you'd see in Shadowrun.

>>47366134
>>47366144
>>47366145
I won a store championship with double defenders back before TIE mkII came out.

Shit was cash.

>>47380477
Hey, Hiro. Wanna try some Snow Crash?

>>47377072
well it doesnt crit on your initial dice roll. If you had it on Col Vessery, you could roll 4 and with the target lock you get after attacking reroll blanks for a crit.

>>47367207
You want to change the OT to better fit the prequels? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>>47380923
In any sane world yes, the way the prequils were done killed a lot of the feel the OT had in regards to the clone wars, Vader, and the Empire as a whole. At least in my opinion, the way Anikan was written was trash, the clone wars were not a very big deal, and the empire felt a lot less grandiose when put in the perspective of the Prequel.

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>>47367207
>if you could reshoot the OT

*cough cough*

>>47381012
Not this shit again. Please. I'm so tired. My family is dying.

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>>47381036
>My family is dying
Unless they're being killed by a rehash of the Death Star I fail to see how that's relevant.

>>47381050
They're being killed by this fucking argument again.

>>47381073
I am willing to put their lives at risk.

>>47365839
Zack would make a decent young Han actually, but logan Lerman would do it better.

>>47367207
>correct all of Lucas' Campbellian shit
Using mythic story structure is something that needs to be corrected?

>>47381388
My personal feelings are the prequel did not build up to the Original Trilogy very well. The entire thing felt very underwhelming.

>>47381557
Isn't that a problem with the prequels, not the OT?

>>47381557
The prequels in general weren't really necessary. The Clone Wars and pre-Rebellion period worked perfectly fine as some distant, mythical, bygone age.

>>47379630
They Overclock.

>>47378193
Really, I'm just not sure if PTL is the way to go. What would be a better EPT? Right now I was only planning to push I'd I was going to do a green next turn anyways.

>>47368885
Just speaks volumes of what art can convey.

>>47370663
Bad part of European suburbs, some of them have a lot in common. Raised by a single mom in housing projects full of various forms of ethnic minorities, doesn't help that I have concentration issues and suck at sitting still. The neighbor family that moved in same time as my mom and I is a great way to explain what kind of neighborhood this is. The daughter has three kids of varying skin colours and is now single, and the son is doing time across the border in Sweden for trying to smuggle khat into the country. Also I know my experience, that despite cardboard walls, they muffle out gunshots entirely. At first I didn't have to learn to read because I could just beat up Paki kids and get them to do it.

Nice blogposting I know.

>>47381675
>distant, mythical, bygone age
>about 20 years ago

Even based on just the original movie we knew the Empire was pretty recent. We're told Luke's father was a Jedi in the Old Republic. And one of the first conversations in the movie is about how they had only just then gotten rid of the senate.

>>47382629
The birth of the Empire an the end of the Clone Wars, sure, but the length of the Clone Wars was never brought up. The time frame we got in the prequels and prequel materials makes the Clone era seem ridiculously short compared to the air of mystery given by the OT and Thrawn Trilogy, which made it seem like they lasted far longer. There's a bit of reverence in the way Obi-Wan talks about the old days that makes it feel like the Clone Wars should have been longer. Plus, there's just something about the prequel films that doesn't make it feel like a twenty-year gap. I don't really know how to describe it, it just doesn't really give me the vibe that it all happened decades before the OT. Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the fact that Anakin goes full Vader right then and there.

The Clone Wars weren't that far chronologically from the OT, but the way they were discussed still felt a bit distant and mysterious, helped by the fact that hard dates weren't given in ANH.

>>47382629
If I was going to make a major change to the PT-era, I'd make the Clone Wars about a decade or so, maybe 15 years. Make it so that the republic was basically the Empire in all but name for a few years by the end. Also make the jedi kill-off more gradual; almost all are killed 'naturally' in the war, and the last betrayal is not as dramatic/official as Order 66. Like maybe by the end, the Jedi were mostly operating in the shadows, commando/infiltration work, not from-the-front generalling, and Vader and certain select strike teams whacked most of them before they knew what was happening, and after that, the empire first censors everything about the Jedi, and later begins to imply that the Jedi were actually the crooked republic's death-cult enforcers, not a mostly-independant order of mystics/traveling ronin.

>>47382766
>>47382792
Yeah, especially because they're called the Clone Wars, not the Clone War, it feels like it should be a longer, probably disjointed, start-stop conflict or series of conflicts.

>>47365866
>Jokes aside, I wouldn't necessarily be *against* an Episode 4/5/6 reboot.
If they ever do another Star Wars movie that's even 1/10 as good as the first two, I might agree with you. But The Force Awakens is the best movie outside of the original trilogy, and even aside from being complete rehash, the script is thoroughly lackluster. I suppose we should just be glad it's better than JJ Trek, but if that's really the "high" mark we're shooting for, I think it's best to stay the fuck away from the original trilogy.

>>47381050
Please, the Death Planet was completely different from the Death Star. It was, you know, a planet and all, and it shot like three rays at the same time. There's really no similarity at all.

>>47382964
Even Han in the movie didn't buy that.

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>>47382947
>But The Force Awakens is the best movie outside of the original trilogy
Nah, that honor goes to Wing Commander IV's cutscenes. WC3 and 4 are Star Wars works in all but name.

>>47383064
If live-action video game cutscenes are included, Dark Forces II has to be in the running as well.

>>47382766
>maybe it's the fact that Anakin goes full Vader right then and there
This was the biggest issue for me. That he goes from naive but well meaning Jedi to full on child murderer in basically a single scene. Like it was just a flipped switch.

>>47379630
It's Deltron and Automator, obviously.

>>47383173
It really falls under the rubric of "You had one job to do!" They had three movies to portray the conversion of Anakin to the dark side and they utterly failed. The first movie was a complete waste. It was completely unnecessary, but if you're gonna have an "awe shucks" kid, you might as well start plotting the development from there. But instead, he goes straight to an angsty teen with no transition. And sure, the angsty teen shows some dark emotions, but he's such a d-bag that it makes it hard to identify with him and even harder to understand how the Jedi didn't see the trouble brewing (or at least take it a lot more fucking seriously than they did). So he stays Douchey McGee for a movie and a half and in the middle of RotS, he makes a split-second decision to saber Windu in defense of Palpatine (which is fine) and then is suddenly like "sure, I'll go kill some kids and help you spread darkness across the land" (which is not).

>>47383302
But from his point of view the Jedi are evil!

>>47383302
Riddle me this, can a person controlled by Palpatine and the prophecy ever be guilty of anything.
Last time I checked, you needed free will to Fall.

>>47383338
Yeah, I'd find this a lot more convincing if the Sith didn't all have names like Darth EvilMcBadGuy or Darth KillyMcDeath.

>>47383432
>Riddle me this, can a person controlled by Palpatine and the prophecy ever be guilty of anything.
>Last time I checked, you needed free will to Fall.
Sure. Prophecy is not about free will, it's about the events of "random" chance maybe not being so random, and interacting with free will to lead to a certain end, though all human choices involved were made free.
It's not about what humans decide, it's that God plays dice, and when there's a prophecy, the dice are loaded

>>47383432
>Riddle me this, can a person controlled by Palpatine and the prophecy ever be guilty of anything.
>Last time I checked, you needed free will to Fall.
But the prophecy was to bring balance to the force, so the prophecy was in fact false, what Vader did, did not bring balance but swung it from one field entirely into the other.
So the whole Prophetic stuff was probably just something some old jedi figured out would eventualy happen, wrote it down, wrote down what he thought would be the result, and hoped for the best.
Really, with the jedi promoting themselves as peace keepers and philosophers, one has to wonder why they so willingly condoned something that most the council recognized as a bad idea and ended up nearly killing them all, it makes them look rather... stupid?

>>47383479
At least now he can add Darth Whopper Junior to the mix.

>>47383525
>Vader did, did not bring balance but swung it from one field entirely into the other.
please dont start this again

>>47383525
Anakin did bring balance to the force by killing the emperor.

>>47383546
No he again just swung the pengelum in the other direction again, balance implies the Sith and the Jedi would stand on equal footing, sort of like how it is shown in the old republic.

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>>47383569

>>47383569
>balance implies the Sith and the Jedi would stand on equal footing, sort of like how it is shown in the old republic.
Ah, so you're just a complete moron
Good News. No need to respond, folks. This is just another round of "muh balance, muh gray Jedi" bullshit

>>47383569
TOR is both not-canon and abysmally bad.

>>47383596
non-canon to the Disney or Legends continuity?

>>47383619
It's actually canon to neither, amazingly enough

>>47383569
A balanced force is a good force. It's like having a balanced personality. Corrupted by dark emotions is unbalanced and you don't get balance by balancing unbalanced and balanced, if you get my meaning.

>>47383619
Disney, but it's so shitty I wish it was both

>>47383628
explain

>>47383619
>Legends continuity
>implying it will ever be continued

>>47383638
>explain
In the late days before the reboot, certain canon authorities said that TOR and the TFU games were of a significantly lesser degree of canon, that is to say, only elements referenced in other, canon works were actually canon

>>47383648
I'm sure it will at some point. 5-10 years from now when Marvel needs a bump in comic sales they'll do a Legends series, possibly even starting where it left off

>>47383668
There have always been levels of canon but it was never that extreme unless you've got sources. Either way now that TOR has nothing to do with nucanon it can continue in an even more batshit direction. I'm curious to see how they can top all the already bizarro shit

>>47383668
I would kill a room full of Jedi Younglings for a source. That would give me so much joy.

>>47383699
I'd rather have some post-Crucible novels show off the transition from FotJ/Crucible era to Legacy. Legacy itself is a good capstone for the EU, but the novels have some major plot threads unresolved.

>>47372135
Glorious.

>>47383735
>Not wanting more Ania Solo

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Muh X-Wingers: What's the best use for R2-D6? What's the best Elite you've given an X, E or Y-wing?

>>47384869
Give Blue Ace Predator/Lone Wolf so she can use her funky boost and keep dice modification.

Give a Y Draw Their Fire when flying in formation with Biggs and other ships.

Give an E-Wing Expose because fuck it you're playing an E-Wing.

>>47385148
Corran is best with ptl or marksmanship, maybe rage. No other E-wing is worth anything

>>47385148
That Blue Ace idea is noice.

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>>47384869
Pic related can be fun in a casual game. Never spend the evade token, always have Juke.
>>47385319
I disagree. Etahn with Calculation is an almost guaranteed two crits if you've focused, which, with an R2, isn't bad at 34pt.

>>47385148
Give Blue Ace PTL for the same cost and get your focus token.

>>47385319
You could make a case for Etahn with a group of generic ships. Maybe throw in a blocker prototype to help keep things in arc. But Corran is far and away the best E-Wing. Hopefully they'll get a Defender-esque fix.

>>47383569
>>47383546
>>47383525
Consider it this way: The Old Jedi Order in charge was a bureaucratic mess of assholes more concerned with the letter of the law than the spirit of it. The Clone Wars and Order 66 happen, wiping them out and Vader hunts down stragglers for twenty years.

This leaves two Sith in charge of everything, until Vader finally overthrows Sheev and dies himself.

No more Jedi Order. No more Sith. The slate has been wiped clean, and the only survivor is a barely trained neophyte who's seen the failings of both systems.

Now, I don't think Lucas' intention of bringing "Balance to the Force" was KILL EVERYBODY, but its one way of justifying the prophecy and events of canon.

I suppose Kreia would be proud

>>47383064
Question:
Why is it that it always seems like in science fiction if the protagonists have to go to a bar it's always some seedy dump?
Why not have the characters meet up at some bar and have it be a classy joint?

>>47386256
Mercy Kill opens with a classy-ish bar.

But yeah, the seedy dump is a storytelling cliche, largely because its way easier to get into a fight (and not have it be your fault) in a dive bar than it is in an establishment with valet parking. (Didn't stop Temple of Doom from doing just that in Club Obi-Wan). Seedy types hang out in seedy bars, so if you need to find them, its a good way, in storytelling terms.

Its sort of like the "You all meet at an inn" cliche in fantasy. Its worth is more in how you handle it.

>>47386256
I'm imagining two very groomed and obviously British waiters arguing why there are two jedi, a child and a cartoon duck at table 12.

>>47386408
>arguing why there are two jedi, a child and a cartoon duck at table 12
That sounds like the lead-up to a joke.

>tfw there will never ever be an E-wing fix
>tfw have irrational E-wing boner

>>47385773
>only survivor
>LaughingLegendsWriters.holo
>LaughingNucanonWriters.holo

Mark my words, someone in nucanon will shoehorn an OJO survivor into the post-Endor period if it hasn't been done already.

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So, for a EOE game I'm running I want to have a Bebop/Rocksteady Expies as a bounty hunter duo to be ineffectually hunting my PCs. Now, Bebop will obviously be a gamorrean. But is there a Star Wars Species that matches Rocksteady well?

>>47386578
>The Series IV title will come with Rebel Vets
>The Series IV title WILL come with Rebel Vets
Although it would almost need to be a 0pt non-unique title which added 1 hull and aided action economy to even make generic E-Wing's semi-viable.

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>>47386702
They're more whale people than rhino people, but Herglics are awesome

>>47367191
Bad news, SLAM doesn't work with bombs...just nets and mines

>>47386578
the cost of bad taste

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>>47381741

It probably isn't. Most people take crackshot now. Predator would also be pretty decent with Adv. Sensors.

>>47378508

Yes it has. Torpedoes eat Rebel aces for breakfast. The one list archtype that probably did the worst as a result of wave 8, and it wasn't that great to begin with.

>>47385319
Etahn really shines in Epic games leading a bunch of generics. All those crits make epic ships go down fast.

The generics are complete shit though. I know, I tried a lot.

>>47386578
There probably will, it just got pushed back a year or two by all TFA stuff. FFG seems committed to trying to make all the ships in the game viable. Though even Corran really isn't right now.

I also have an irrational love of the E-wing, bought two of them on release, so I know your pain.

>>47388137
Honestly overall E-wings are just disgustingly overpriced for how easy they are to kill.
They would need to be made cheaper or tougher to really be viable unless arc dodging still works in your meta, my local meta recently swapped to one that makes arc dodging trash, so not sure what kind of list to make next.

>>47365866
The Force Awakens was an OT reboot.

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>>47388530
>>47388530
Top form.

>>47382947

Revenge of the Sith is MUCH better than The Force Awakens.

>>47388944
Well, those are far and away the best two movies outside of the OT, and I can see how you'd prefer RotS, but it's certainly not MUCH better, in all caps. RotS had way too many shortcomings for that to be the case.

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!71:18,144,-1:34:17:;195:152,-1,-1:33:1:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.40&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

How does this list look? I'm excited for Imperial Veterans

Countess Ryad flips around, getting Evade tokens, and gets some extra damage with Juke. The Fleet Officer keeps them focused while the Intel officer gives me an easier time planning Rexlar's actions. Rexlar is the big killer here; with both Push the Limit and Fleet Officer he should have good access to focus. He and the shuttle both get TIE Mark 2 to clear stress, obviously.

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>>47388944
>actually believing that

>>47388944
TFA being obviously the second best SW, that mean you consider ROTS the best ?

>>47388944
RotS has its good points, but Anakin's turn was handled so poorly that it ruins it.

>From my point of view the jedi are evil
In addition to being a really hammy line, that just doesn't make any sense. Why does he think they're evil? Because they didn't let him openly marry Padme? Because Mace Windu was going to kill the guy who they'd just discovered was behind the whole war? Somehow in his mind those things are more evil than slaughtering children?

>>47389344
Vader was not rational at that point, it was pretty clear he was high on rage

>>47389360
So why is he talking about "points of view" like he's in a debate?

>>47389399
Because he's trying to rationalize himself

>>47389152
Switch Rex and Ryad's set ups. Rex gets more use from Juke since he fires earlier plus he could save focus for his ability. I'd also go hull before stealth. Ryad is probably the only defender I'd put PtL on because of her green K.

>>47389543
I've gotten a lot of good results from target locking to ensure Rex hits, then spending focus for his ability. Do you think the TIE shuttle is reliable enough to let me get away with relying on it?

>>47389152
Pretty solid, safe build. Ryad+Juke is basically flawless as a combo (assuming you're taking that title). Here's something with a little edge:

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!71:175,109,-1:34:17:;195:98,-1,-1:33:17:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.61&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

These days PTL isn't the be all and end all that it used to be, there are other creative options which aren't explored. Rexler has Rage, which means not only does he gain the focus token, but he gains a three dice reroll on both the cannon attack and his primary weapon attack. Fletchette Cannon inflicts 1 damage and deals 1 stress, which helps negate a counter attack coming in the next turn. Ideally you want him to get someone in arc, Rage, get additional focus from Fleet Officer, then launch his devastating attack which effectively has a target lock on each attack. The chance of leaving the enemy with a potential average of three damage and one stress is very high.

You shadow Rexler with the bomber, trying to keep the same target as his in range 2. Make a primary attack for the heck of it and add another stress to that guy.

Ryad+Juke is perfect as is, but here's something else to consider: sending her off to harass the enemy flanks. Her ability to flip around at will means she can pick off slow to turn support ships such as pesky enemy HWK's and TLT boats with ease. Keep her away from the main show, let her gain her evade tokens to aid survivability when needed, and Lone Wolf rerolls make her as killy as Juke while giving her something defensive to do if she runs into a higher level ace who forces her to spend that token. Plus can you imagine trying to kill her when she has Evade, Focus, three defence dice AND can reroll her blank? It'd be a major pain in the ass.

Rexler+Shuttle take down the primary target, Ryad keeps the secondary targets distracted until Rexler can wade in and finish the job.

>>47389634
I like your setup, but I wasn't really sure about running two stress tokens on Rexlar, so I tried this out.

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!71:175,109,-1:34:17:;195:98,-1,-1:33:17:;49:-1,-1,-1,-1,-1:35:17:u.95,u.61&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Replacing Ryad with The Inquisitor lets me upgrade the bomber to have Wingman, so Rex doesn't have as much problems with stress. Other than that, the list is the same as what you proposed.

>>47389360
It would have been a lot more compelling if the audience could actually emphasize with his reasons for lashing out. The way it plays out, there's just a certain point in the movie where now he's crazy and evil.

In Rogue One will we see Kyle Katarn turn from the empire and become a rebel or would he already be part of the alliance?

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>>47386702
>>47386902
What about Chevin? They are kind of elephantlike, rather than rhinos, but they are already in Edge of the Empire (in Far Horizons), and they start with Brawn 3.

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looking to run a tres amigos squad with red squadron. here's my first attempt at a build. any critiques/suggestions? https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!4:-1,78:-1:2:;5:134,-1,3:-1:7:;0:-1,136,148:-1:25:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

My players are finishing up lure of the lost, and I dont know where to go from here, I'm thinking of throwing some bounty hunters for messing up the govs collection, but no real plot or story. They want a ship hardcore but i dont want to just hand it out. Any tips?

>>47391185
why munitions with no munitions slot used?

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>>47391220
dunno, must've been a holdover from a different build.

slight attempt at improvement here, with biggs rolling 4 agility dice deep instead of maxing shield potential.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!4:-1,4:-1:1:;5:134,-1,3:-1:-1:;0:18,136,2:-1:25:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

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So I saw a copy of TIE Fighter at my lvgs. I'm actually surprised it's only $8, but I guess that's because it's no longer unattainable legitimately.

>>47391197
They have mentioned before about becoming force sensitive bounty hunters, and wanting to evade or fight inquisitors.

>>47391364

TIE Fighter is on both GOG and Steam.

That's why physical copies of the game are cheap now. Because nobody needs them anymore.

>>47388137
I think predator, IG-88B giving Not!Gunner, and the FCS would be enough to make predator pointless.

PTL seems like it would be more useful than Crack Shot and a bomb for each ship though, as a couple of extra actions could be useful.

So, apparently Rian Johnson had a lot of input when it came to Claudia Gray writing Bloodline. Seeing what Bloodline put out, I think I'm pretty encouraged, especially because Bloodline's probably the best non-comic book we've gotten.

>>47383619
>>47383628
>>47383638
TOR was not canon in Legends and thus far there has been like...deliberate fucking silence from Disney on its canonicity in the Disney continuum, but everyone is pretty sure the answer is still no.

TOR is one of those things I imagine Disney really wishes they could just delete and do something better with, but it's contractually protected until 2021, I believe. Plus until you've got something to throw into the void shutting it down doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

I just hope someone is ambitious enough to make a Star Wars game with free travel.

>>47392504
Needs a OT/galaxy sort of game.

>>47389344
At least the basic plot in RotS is good. I can get behind political manipulation, betrayal and galactic coups.
TFA "let's built an even bigger superweapon, because if worked so well the other times" didn't leave a good impression on me.

>>47393075
>TFA "let's built an even bigger superweapon, because if worked so well the other times" didn't leave a good impression on me.
well I saw the First Order's decision to build starkiller base as their own 'trying-way-too-hard' attempt to prove to the galaxy that they are the true continuation of the Emipre. So desperate were they to convince everyone, including themselves, of this that they sought to even go so far as to repeat the same mistakes that the Empire did.

>>47393585
>'trying-way-too-hard' attempt to prove to the galaxy that they are the true continuation of the Empire. So desperate were they to convince everyone, including themselves, of this that they sought to even go so far as to repeat the same mistakes that the Empire did.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about TFA's writers and artists.

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>>47393692

>>47388137
I can only hope HotR makes them good again.

>>47394232
that makes 2 of us, but I think its only x wings right now

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>>47387698
say it to my face fucker, not online

I've always run Poe with R2-D2, but I'm thinking about switching to R5-P9. Which one is the better choice?

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>>47395768
Sure

>>47396148
whatever droid adds a shield with a focus token

>>47396307
That would be R5. My big problem with R2 is that he adds a shield with a green maneuver, which severely limits my choices when I'm running low on shields.

>>47396343
its at the end of combat anyways so you would loose the focus regardless

>>47390931
Kyle Katarn is Legends. He's not going to be in any canon material, and definitely not a feature film.

>>47392504
>.deliberate fucking silence from Disney on its canonicity in the Disney continuum

Nope. They outright said it's not a part of the Disney continuity at Celebration 2014, that it's its own thing.

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>>47396440
>He's not going to be in any canon material
Eh, we don't know that just yet. Beardless McJacket in the Rogue One trailer seems to be giving off a little bit of the DF1 Katarn vibe. It doesn't help that the female recruit in the trailer has a name that sounds like "Jan Ors" with a few letters lazily swapped out.

And of course, there's Finn with the former stormie backstory and Kanan, the Jedi cowboy who has yet to achieve sufficient facial hair or voice acting talent.

>>47391185
Once you've removed Munit you can switch Plasma Torps for Proton. This is a better choice for Guidance, as it comes with an almost guaranteed two crits.

Tried Dash + Chopper today and got absolutely shit on. How do you fly the VCX?

>>47397766
biggs and Kanan are pretty big in my local meta. Add recon and I think zeb in the shuttle and you got a nice force

>>47392504
>TOR was not canon in Legends
You are mistaken.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic
>Star Wars: The Old Republic is the only remaining source that continues to produce "Legends" information aside from the official Star Wars Blog.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends
>New material has also continued to be released for the game Star Wars: The Old Republic, despite the game being considered part of the Legends continuity

>>47396772
Jon Ars?

>>47390931
Seems unlikely they'll use Kyle Katarn. Have they recanonized any Legends characters yet?

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>>47399419
Admiral Screed, of all people

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Screed

>>47399301
Jin Ers or something similarly half-assed, yeah.

>>47399419
Tarkin has recanonized a few

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>>47399472

>>47367432
Having played them all:

WEG is great for getting started quick, not having the rules get in your way, and easy to understand mechanics. It's bad because you can TPK on a bad roll.

Saga: Star Wars Pathfinder. Take that as you will.

FFG: Good for people who like games that encourage you to add flavor to what you do. Bad for players who want really clear cut mechanics with no ambiguity. Tends to work better with GMs and Players who regard the rules as secondary to the game, rather than being what the game is.

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UUUURK UUUUUUUUUUR URRRRRRRRRK!

>>47401493
HRONK
HRONK HRONK HRONK

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>>47401573
URKK HRONK HUUUURK

>>47365866
I'd rather see eps 1, 2 & 3 redone to fit better with the first trilogy.

>>47399290
>unsourced
Look I realize you may not be the sort of person who went to college, but this is the internet.

By now you ought to know that if it's not sourced, it's not so.

And before you go full retard, I mean it's not sourced on Wikia.

>>47401639
Well, when you file the sights off and pray to the Lord to guide your shooting, it's not exactly surprising

>>47402143
Is this an actual thing or just fan art?

>>47402149
99.99% sure it's fanart.

>>47402149
>>47402744

It's 100% fanart. While at one point IC was rumored to be in the works, we know from a later design book that it never got beyond a logo.

It's certainly not something that EA and its subsidiaries would develop at this point.

Will 3PO and Gunner be worth using on the new Falcon?

>>47401648
Same

>>47403020

Depends on what the new Chewie and Han are like. Or if Finn is another gunner variant like Luke (crew) was.

I feel that 3PO's probably less useful without that Evade action from the original title? But maybe with Rey's ability it might still work, the idea being that you guess 0 evades, get it, and then use her ability to reroll the evade dice to (hopefully) get a result.
It's less reliable than the old title though.

>>47403094
>Depends on what the new Chewie and Han are like.
Are they going to have new abilities?
>Or if Finn is another gunner variant like Luke (crew) was.
That's almost certain.

>>47403177
>Are they going to have new abilities?
>For even as Heroes of the Resistance introduces new versions of both Han Solo and Chewbacca, it also marks the debut of Rey .

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>>47403211
>new versions of both Han Solo and Chewbacca
Fingers crossed for Old Luke and Old Wedge showing up in future releases. Preferably as StealthX or XJ pilots.

>>47403291
>Old Luke and Old Wedge
That will probably only happen if we see them flying something in the new movies. So there's a decent chance of Old Luke. Probably not Old Wedge.

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>>47403342
A man can still dream of new Legends releases. Speaking of which, Pinooks when, FFG?

>>47401782
Do you have a source on it not being Legends canon?

>>47403094
Finn (4 points)
After you perform an attack that does not hit, if the target is inside your firing arc, you may perform a primary weapon attack against that ship. You cannot perform another attack this round.

>>47403460
The onus is on you, not on your detractor. Find a better source or stfu.

>>47403484

So, it's a gunner than doesn't work for turrets, but WOULD work if you had an aux arc like the Firespray and probably how the SF is going to work?

I like it. There's not Aux Arc ships in the Rebel side, so it pretty much means he can only work in the forward arc unless something very silly like the stolen SF happens, or they make Finn Imperial/Rebel.

I still say they should have given Mara Jade no faction restriction. She's basically worked for all three in her time.

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>>47403525
>Mara Jade
>no faction restriction
There should be some sort of special effect for having her and Luke as crew on the same ship.

>>47397766
Fly Dash as your would, dodging arcs and blowing things up. Fly the vcx such that it covers Dash's blind spots. Chopper especially is great disruptive force and is quite good at area denial.

>>47403576

Honestly, I'd have liked Scum and Rebel versions of her as well.

Like the Rebel version gives you Keyans ability but for evade dice within RB1, and the Scum version removes enemy focus Tokens within RB1. Something that's similar to the imperial ability but thematic to the faction?

>>47403492
>Whatever was said first is true until someone can prove otherwise
Yeah, that's not how that works. Official Star Wars video games were all canon by default. So the claim that TOR wasn't canon is the more extraordinary one.

>>47403642
>Official Star Wars video games were all canon by default
Even Lego Star Wars, that one educational Yoda game, and Super Bombad Racing?

>>47403642
That's exactly how it works, friend.
>say a thing
>"can you prove said thing?"
>"CAN YOU DISPROVE IT?!"

>>47403658

Wait, does that mean that the TIE-Defender, Gunships, T-Wings and Starchasers are all canon?

Also, Thrawn.

>>47403695
Legends canon. The anon specifically used the past tense.

TIE Defenders are back in nucanon, though, thanks to that one shitty mobile game.

>>47403708

So, at this point, all we can do is hope that Thrawn pops up in the next season of Rebels after commisioning a long range patrol fighter from Cygnus called the Star Wing?

>>47403724
>Rebels
Honestly, I hope he doesn't show up in Rebels. Thrawn of all people deserves better. And by "better," I mean "Second Coming of Timothy Zahn." Bringing him and Stackple back should have been the first thing the Lucasfilm Story Group did post-wipe.

>>47403793

>Stackpole

...eh. As someone whos read a lot of Stackpole, I have to say I could go either way on this.

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>>47403908
The man was responsible for the Rogue Squadron novels. Regardless of what other works he's done, nobody else does Star Wars dogfights like he does. Allston comes in at a close second but he's one with the Force now. As long as there's the editors can keep his protagonists from solving all of their problems with the dick, it'll be fine.

>try out Mangler Ten Numb in a casual tourney
>Imperial players tried jousting him despite reading all the upgrades
WELL...OKAY

>>47404339
>casual tourney
>casual
>tourney

Does not compute

>>47404339

What else did you have on him?

>>47404459
Not everyone wants an IG-88C promo card bad enough to spend another saturday playing Palp Aces or JM15K with nothing else on the line.

>>47403578
I think I need more practice dodging with Dash. Problem was every match there were higher-PS enemy ships with boosts and rolls so it was hard to get Dash to a safe place ever.

I also found Chopper's ability wasn't worth the extra two points over Lothal Rebel, so I think I'm going to downgrade him to add something like Zeb Crew.

>>47404562

That depends on the store. I remember going to one with only 10 people during TLT's height of dominance and there was only the one list doing the rounds with them.
Said list then went on to completely shred mine, but even then he lost in a really tense final.

>>47404595
>1 Person plays competitive list
>Tournament isn't casual anymore

>>47404562
I'm still not following. Did you play in a tourney where people didn't try to win?

>>47404624
Do you think "casual" means attempt to lose at all costs?

>>47404590
I like Chopper for the stressing, but a Lothal does mostly the same thing and can fit Han in. Basically, wherever those high PS ships go to get inside the donut hole, put the VCX there first. Worst case, Dash still gets a shot on a token stacking ship. Best case, they bumped and have no actions, so Dash murders them.

>>47404619

It had tournement prizes. Aside from "not being made by nintendo" how do you define something as "casual" or not?

The next tournement I went to WASN'T casual at all, but It was right after wave 8 dropped and the meta was all kinds of fucked. People I think were overcautious about what Boba Fett and Dengar meant for TLT's and nobody brough them. I was lucky to get into the Top 8.

Which only happened because I played the guy I came with, knew his list, and he hadn't had lunch until 4 because the Kitchen staff fucked up so he wasn't thinking straight.

Still, got an acrylic range-ruler and a 3P0 card out of it so whatever.

>>47404648
Casual has been co-opted by some folks to mean "anyone who beats me is a jerk" and "let me get away with everything because following the rules is bullying"

What are you defining casual as?

>>47404679
>>47404339
People playing Mangler Ten Numb in a tournament because they want to play something interesting rather than tired JM15K or Palp Aces since there is very little on the line. >>47404459 started the argument by complaining that tournaments can't be casual.

Store Championships aren't that casual for many people because they have more on the line than just a promo card (i.e. a Regionals bye).

>>47404710

Ten Numb with Mangler, VI and Adv.Sensors isn't that bad of a build really. Toss 3PO in the back seat and see how you get on.

>>47404710

If you want to be really mean, take him with calculation and ion cannon. Put a tactician in the back if you can. Such a hard counter to aces it's not even funny. The PS8 is somewhat of a problem though.

>>47401493
>>47401573
>>47401639
I still want to make an exiled tusken raider maurauder for a EotE game and just UURK HUURK UUARK all the roleplaying.

>>47404710
A build's popularity is not indicative of its potency. It's true that your middling, ambitious, uncreative types will chase the meta mindlessly, but you will also not that those players don't win anything either. Ten Numb, kept reasonably lean, is fantastic at countering high agility ships.

There really isn't anything on the line in any tournament. A card and some acrylic tokens, big whoop. Casual is all about your mentality. If you give somebody shit because they're playing "tired" palp aces, you stop being casual. It's a game of toy spaceships, let people have their fun and you might have some yourself along the way.

I'd highly recommend trying other formats if you want something different. We did a "worst list" event where players build the worst list they can, swap with their opponent each game, and try to take down their awful list with the garbage their opponent gave them.

http://xwing.miniranker.com/tournament.php?t=702&d=90&f=0

>T4 Corran Horn + Veteran Instincts + Shield Upgrade + Fire‑Control System + R5‑P9;
>Gold Squadron Pilot + R2‑D2 + Ion Cannon Turret + Flechette Torpedoes + Munitions Failsafe + BTL‑A4 Y‑wing;
>Gold Squadron Pilot + Ion Cannon Turret + R3‑A2 + BTL‑A4 Y‑wing;

What the hell. This list is crazy. It's like someone took a bet to use every single thing that isn't used anymore... and a Stressbot. This guy must have played out of his fucking skin just to get to top-4.

In fact, the whole top 4 look weird. Was it a "Nothing from past 2014" style tournement or something?

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>>47405008
>We did a "worst list" event where players build the worst list they can
I got this.

>>47405575
There's no accounting for the local meta

>>47405008
The "fly casual" menatlity to me seems more of a "Don't be a fucking win-at-all-costs dick". The whole casual bashing comes mostly from /v/-kiddy attitudes on gaming, and doesn't bear much relevance for a game like X-Wing. All you get for being an insufferable faggot in a tournament, is a dice pouch, some alternate art card that most of the other too players will get, and a coin. On the flip side, by not being an insufferable fagballs means that you'll likely make some friends, play some fun games, and actually have fun.


Also, I think it's funny how a 29 point ship is considered a standard meta list regardless of what it's being paired with. Yes the Palpmobile is a popular thing to see (and sometimes it's loaded up beyond 29pts). But what gets fielded with it varies wildly, and ranges from a Vader Advanced, Interceptor ace, a Tie Advanced Prototype (seen both Vaden and Inq), Tie/FO (usually Omega), Tie Fighter, and soon probably even Defenders and Bombers... It's more of an Ace Build + Palp-Shuttle, than Palp-Aces, largely because playing with it and against is drastically different depending upon what else is being fielded. Calling them all "Palp Ace" builds is like referring to any/every Rebel list as a "Stresshog List" if it has a Gold Y-Wing, BTL-A, R3-A2, and a TLT.

>>47405575
Current meta in X-Wing is wonky as shit. We're all seeing some crazy ass builds emerging, many of which are utilizing things like Ion again (now that Stress-resistant ships are making a comeback). Corran himself has been a solid choice for a long time, and that hasn't changed at all. It's the generic E-Wings and E-Tahn that have issues.

>>47405582
I played a Worst-Fest game where a play gave me a Deadman Switch HWK... I managed to kill one of the shitty little Scyks I gave him when it exploded.

>>47405582
I won the thing with this.

YT-2400: · Dash Rendar (36)
Opportunist (4)
Flechette Cannon (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
· Leia Organa (4)
· Outrider (5)
HWK-290: · Jan Ors (25)
Expose (4)
Blaster Turret (4)
Engine Upgrade (4)
· Luke Skywalker (7)
-- TOTAL ------- 99/100p. --

>>47405732
Fly Casual is just a reminder that we're all playing with toy spaceships. Some folks seem to forget that and get analdevastated that somebody would try to win a game or like what they don't like or want to follow the rules.

The Palp Aces thing is indeed weird. There's so much variation in the bulk of the squad that only that shuttle is the common element. I really like the variety we've got in the meta right now.

>>47406007
Trying to win is fine. Playing competitively ina tournament is fine. Being an insufferable douche-bag with a (D&D) charisma score of 2, who doesn't bathe and whose constant arguments make him hated by everyone in the tournament (including the TOs), is a dick.

Don't be a dick.

>>47406151
To be honest I've had more of those in RPGs than in X Wing.

>>47406151
Agreed. It's a game. Have fun.

>>47406350
Same here. Although the greatest concentration of them seemed to be playing 40k. Still, you do see them in almost all gaming circles. There was one such fuckstick who played Flames of War at my LGS. The guy had no personality, was a dick about everything, and was absolutely floored whenever even one of his precious panthers was destroyed.

The only douchewaffle I've seen in X-Wing so far, came up from an entirely different state 2 hours south just to play at our LGS' regional tournament. And to just be a dick about everything, to everyone, and especially to the TO when luck of the draw was going to give him a bye round.

X-wing beginner here. What's the lost newb-friendly faction?
Also trying to put up a small list for both rebels and imperials to lure in some buddies of mine. Any tips for that? Got both core sets, both aces and interceptor and advanced tie-sets

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>>47406872
Play all factions and combinations. Proxy cards you don't have, or print them out from the squad builder. Try out everything.
And by far the best way to learn the game is to teach someone else how to play.
Learn how to handle difficult and deceptive people, it will pay out later.

>>47406872
They can all be newbie friendly, just focus on generic pilots and minimal upgrades to keep it simple.

Rookie Pilot, Blue Novice, Blue Squadron plus Jake with push the limit, proton rockets, test pilot, and another pilot upgrade of your choice. Pretty simple rebel ships with Jake for crazy mobility.

On the Imperial side, 2 academy ties, 2 epsilons, a royal guard and Carnor Jax both with push the limit would work fine. Leverage their mobility and they can run circles around the rebels.

>>47407003
Thing is I want to sucker in my brother who is not quite savvy with rules. I constantly need to remind him what to roll when playing 40k. X-wing is simpler so would like to learn it with him

>>47406872
My experience is any faction can be newb-friendly. Rebels tend to be pretty durable, and have some good reliability and shields. The shields help you to eat some critical hits without having to worry about the effect. So that tends to help newcomers. But at the same time there is something to be said of a swarm of 8 Tie Fighters. Or even 5 Khyraxxz fighters for Scum. It really is mostly certian ships aren't very newb friendly, or rather have a steeper learning curve. Starvipers for instance are an expensive point sink if you don't know how to handle them (say no to Push the Limit on them...). While Interceptors really are a ship that shines in the hands of a good player, and crashes and burns horribly at the slightest mistake.

>>47407128
I wouldn't say it's simpler.. More like less confusing, and nowhere near as convuluted.

>>47407282
So rebels are mostly durable, imperials agile and scum? Big ships?

>>47407698
More like highly customizable
Although it is true that they have the biggest small ship imo

>>47388944
>Revenge of the Sith is MUCH better than The Force Awakens.

No, it isn't.

Please kill yourself for even THINKING that.

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>>47403460
Yes, which is the archived mailing list for development on SWTOR. If you can get your hands on it you can confirm for yourself that Leland Chee's ruling was "we don't really treat most of the Old Republic era with a mind to canon," which is to say canon begins in the Rise of the Empire era (even for Legends, apparently).

>>47403492
This is correct. If you want to gainsay, you must provide sources. Since your "source" didn't actually include its source, I had to track it down. Here it is, make as little of it as you should.

http://marketrealist.com/2015/03/ea-long-term-plans-biowares-star-wars-old-republic/

Here's the ruling on SWTOR post de-Lucasification, for anyone who harbors doubt: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22817943/10475589_10204785744616256_8370287679850503332_n.jpg

>>47403642
Your argument is completely ridiculous. Star Wars: Rebellion is specifically non-Legends canon even though all of the characters are Legends canon. There are a handful of other examples of video games I can think of including, and this is important, Star Wars Galaxies.

>>47403724
>all we can do is hope that Thrawn pops up in the next season of Rebels
They re-canon'd the Chiss without re-canoning the Chiss Ascendancy, meaning Thrawn-as-written is now impossible. You can only hope for Thrawn-as-adapted.

>>47403908
>As someone whos read a lot of Stackpole, I have to say I could go either way on this.
Stackpole's work is generally fantastic. Nobody should be mad about the idea of a live action Rogue Squadron series based on the body of work he and Allston produced. Except me because I won't get to play Booster Terrik.

>>47407771
He's completely correct as regards the novelizations

So forum recommendations for x-wing?

>>47408366
the only places thaty are active are the official forums or the subreddit

both are dreadful so you gotta pick your poison basically

>>47407698
Eh... Rebel ships tend to definitely be durable, and a few have the ability to regenerate shields (2 astomechs give the ability, along with the K-Wing ace). Most of their customizability comes from having access to the astromeh slot, and every ship having access to a secondary weapon option of some kind (missile, torpedo, cannon, turret).

Empire tends to have one of two styles... Cheap generics that are expendable, or aces who fly by the seat of their pants. Either way, they all have barrel rolls and quite a few have boost built-in, giving them a lot of maneuverability. Evade is also common on Empire ships. But all those reposition actions and evade comes at the cost of (generally) fewer upgrade options. Bombers, Punishers, Phantoms, and Defenders tend to carry the most of those.

Scum is a wild card. Lots of dirty tricks, loads of bizarre abilities and occasional synergies. And lots of different designs to their ships. They currently lack a good arc-dodger, but have some crazy flexibility and access to the illicit slot. They do have the most big-ships, but they're only up by one on that count.

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>>47365866
Pretty much what >>47365949 says. The OT honestly holds up well. And we've already gotten boatloads of edits that basically do bring it "up to date".

Closest was that I once asked "if the original Trilogy was being done today and Lucas asked you to cast it, who would you pick from modern actors to fill in the big shoes of Ford, Hamill, Fischer, etc.?" I mean we still have James Earl Jones so the VO for Vader is still there.

Best my family could figure out for a "modern Luke" might be the guy who played Kick-Ass.

>>47401648
THIS I can agree with.

>>47408017
I am okay with TOR not being canon anymore. To be honest, I'd even dare say it should be part of an "Infinities" alt-timeline.

I just wish we got to see some Imperial Agent like stuff in the new canon though.

I don't know if this is the thread to ask it in but I'm trying to find the Kilia system on a galaxy map but Wookieepedia says that it's at Grid coordinates I-8, but that it's also in Wild Space, which I-8 is not.

I'm asking as I'm trying to both flesh out and straighten out a SWSE character.

>>47408366
The forums suck balls and are not worth the trouble.

>>47403576

Nine months later you get a free Ben Skywalker card?

>>47405575
Corran isn't used anymore? I started four months ago and he was the reason the E-Wing was one of the first three expansions I picked up.

>>47410180
Corran is fine. There was a time when it felt like he was in every other rebel list, but there's a lot more variety now so he fell back from ubiquitous to just good.

>>47410757
He was one of my favorites to use (along with Poe), but I didn't do so well with him at a regional tournament last weekend.

>>47410806
How did you load him up?

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>>47404339
Me again, didnt think using the C word could provoke so much discussion.

Reason I went with 'casual' is that only like 12 people showed up with 4 rounds each being played, didnt have to have a printed list or anything fancy and for 4 of us, it was our first tournament style thing.
Was only 2 PalpAces (One Whisper, one Carnor with Soontir) and a Triple Toiletseat, and everyone just seemed to be there for the fun of it since it was only IG-88 on the line (got alt art VI and an ion token for just showing up)

>>47411690

Are you maybe expecting too much from autists?

In EotE, is there a way to make obligation work in a way that gets the whole party involved? And I don't just mean "Well, I guess if our pilot/mechanic/etc can't escape his debt, we're boned; I suppose we have no choice but to help".

I feel that sometimes it'll force one character in a direction that others won't care for, leading to some of the players getting shafted.

>>47411690

Yeah. Don't use the word "casual" on 4chan, it has connotations.
Similar to how you should never ask for comparisons between 4th edition and 3.5 edition D&D, or how best to utilise indentured servants with pointed ears on /tg/.

I'd have used the term "small store tournement". Also 4 rounds? Was that for everyone or was it just 3 rounds with the top four going into a fourth round then a final? Thats how ours tends to do it.
Plus after three or so rounds back to back I'm pretty burnt out on X-Wings for the day.

> since it was only IG-88 on the line

Yeah, I'm going to the one in June for that VI card. I really don't know why they opted for IG-88C as the Top-4 prize, I mean, at least make it B.

>>47411897
I think C was selectd because it *is* one of the more commonly used IGs, second only to B. B gets picked because of his super-gunner ability, but C adds to your action economy and makes your Boosts more useful without PtL. And he even pairs well with Juke. D is rather underrated, and A can be a pain in the ass, especially in an Epic game, but C is IMO probably tied with B for potentially most devastating.

>>47411897
Huh, would've thought casual would be more of a /vg/ thing.
It was literally just 4 rounds of play with the results taken from that. Top 4 got an extra ion token, top 2 got IG88. Ended up 6th with 2 wins, 2 losses, one by one goddamn point.

>>47412060

I have to say, since they started giving out half-points for getting big ships down by 50% my rankings in these things has improved a lot.

Except for that one game when the guy managed to heal his Dengar's sheilds back up enough to avoid giving out those points with Gonk.
Well, there was a lot of things that went wrong with that game for me DESU.

>>47411785

Have the bounty hunter going after PC A suggest splitting the bounty of PC B helps him.

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>tfw we will never ever have a Beilert Valance spin-off movie

why even live?

>>47413759
>tfw we will never ever have a Beilert Valance spin-off movie
But they did. It's the one where he gets shot

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Against my own judgement and the suggestion of Xwingwritefag and I believe a man named tito(?) I started writing a Star Wars book.

At this point I'm three chapters in and studying the works of stackpole and zahn extensively. Any tips for an aspiring writer? I know some of you were involved in the writing and publishing process and may have a few tips.

In my opinion I'm a pretty good writer so int terms of making a sentence "flow" I'm in pretty decent shape. I was in a writing intensive major and have a lot of free time on my hand this summer, so I figured I would try my hand at this. If Disney doesn't accept it, then fuck it it's just going to be elaborate fan fiction.

Pic semi related, it's a pilot-heavy story.

>>47414608
if its pilot heavy, brushing up on your Tom Clancy isnt a bad idea

>>47414608
>If Disney doesn't accept it,
They won't
>then fuck it it's just going to be elaborate fan fiction.
Great, be sure to post it here

>>47414663
I live by a us air base and know some pilots, I've been badgering the shit out of them about very specific things about dog figs and stuff, both in terms of day to day (not technical info, but stuff like "so how does a full face mask feel like to wear for several hours?") and how combat ("what's it like doing a sustained high- G turn?" Apparently it's like that feeling where you stand up too fast, but you are also flexing your abs to keep the blood in your head and getting tunnel vision).

>>47414580
...fuck

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>>47414608
Play the flight sims and master the mechanics. Stackpole's series is so highly regarded precisely because he captures the flight sim gameplay so well on text. Corran's Redemption Run plan in the first novel is a near-perfect recreation of the ideal winning strategy in the actual game level.

Also, I hope you have good legal counsel. Unsolicited manuscripts of licensed works may run the risk of lawsuits. I know in the vidya industry, there have been similar problems with that.

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how viable would this build be, you guys? I kinda want to run it just to make my friend's ties smash into asteroids left and right.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!44:36,144,-1,-1:-1:-1:;44:36,144,-1,-1:-1:-1:;44:36,144,-1,-1:-1:-1:;44:36,144,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

>>47415027
I actually read the redemption run today of the umpteenth time to ensure mine remains somewhat similar in terms of attention to detail and stuff.

Legal counsel is.... Well I don't have any. By lawsuits do we mean "you will be sued into third world poverty" or do we mean "please don't send us any more fanfics"?

>>47415101
>By lawsuits do we mean "you will be sued into third world poverty" or do we mean "please don't send us any more fanfics"?

Possibly both. My knowledge of American corporate and IP laws are is still somewhat lacking, so I'm unsure which is the likelier scenario. Companies will ferociously protect their IP, even against minor and well-intentioned infractions, to ensure that worse copyright violations won't occur.

Publishing houses also advise against sending unsolicited manuscripts to reduce their own liability. There are a few stories out there floating around of fanfic writers attempting to sue publishers because they saw something in a book that was similar to their own ideas. And to be fair, that's an entirely real possibility. IIRC, companies, literary or otherwise, legally can kick you out, take your pitch/manuscript, and hand it off to a different group.

I was all about putting together a vidya production team, hammering together a rough flight sim prototype, and pitching to EA right off the bat until I found out about that.

>>47415288
So basically I have two options:
1- make it a fanfic which Disney can pillage and raid for ideas anyway
2- at least submit it and possibly get sued, though they may steal ideas for it anyway.

3- (ideal/unlikely) Disney likes it and takes it on.


Tbh I'm really not in it for the cash. I got a bunch of time and just want to contribute to a franchise I grew up with. My writing changes nothing in the established canon (between 5-6) and intend for it to be self-contained as much as possible.

I would love to be able to go and point at a SW book and say "hey, I wrote that".

>>47415367
Just make it a fanfic, man. Or tweak it into generic sci-fi and try to get it published that way. If you're very careful, you could do that

>>47415367
You also have a fourth option: establish your literary cred through other works first. Maybe start up an original setting, write some short stories, get featured in a sci-fi magazine. Or start off by working with a more niche franchise that's easier to get into. Once you've got some notches under your belt, that's when you contact Del Rey. At least then, there's a greater probability of them accepting your manuscript and you as the author. The extra experience gained along the way certainly won't hurt.

>>47415367
you've forgotten
4-make it a fanfic which disney will ignore because no one gives a shit about fanfics posted on the internet unless you have lottery-winning luck.

seriously, I could probably count on one hand the number of fanfics that 'made it' and similarly, count on the other hand the number that've been 'shut down' by an IP holder.

if you wanna get published, find a publisher first. write other stories, non SW ones, and submit those to anyone you can think of. be courteous, go to literary cons, rub elbows. find a foot in the door writing a short story for SW magazine or something. Get noticed some more. maybe suck a dick. then get your meeting with pablo and the story group to pitch your super-special-snowflake idea.

On the other hand, if you want to write a story for the sake of the story, just write it. we'll admire and decry you in equal (well maybe not equal) amounts here, and I'm sure you'll get plenty of ego-fluffing comments on ff.net and ao3 and wherever else you post stuff. I mean shit, that's why I do it.

>>47415468
>fanfics that 'made it'
Did anyone ever find the fabled Traviss Fettfic of yore?

>>47415495
....No. I've been busy and despite having the entire folder of internet archive pages from before my previous laptop crashed.... my heart just isn't in it.

>>47415367
If you try and make money off of it, then they will definitely come down hard on it with Cease & Desist orders.

Fanfiction for free though seems benign enough and, frankly, beneath their notice. Because most fanfiction (in general) is awful.

Here's 1000 pages of Star Wars fanfic just sitting there, not getting sued: https://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Star-Wars/

I know from trying to submit works to publishers in the past, that unless they say they are currently taking open submissions, it goes in the trash or the slush pile (same thing, really). Same thing for literary agents. I've also read enough agent profiles that have "please no fanfiction" under their requirements because if it gets published, then the legal hammer comes down on them too.

I understand the dream of writing a Star Wars novel and it being well-liked, but these kind of things involve IP holders, publishers, agents, and then finally the actual author.

My advice is use the fanfiction to git gud at writing, then write enough original material that gets good reception that you earn a name for yourself, then an agent (Chuck Wendig must have an amazing literary agent to have gotten a 3 book deal, or give amazing blowjobs).

This may be easier now with epublishing growing and traditional publishing shrinking.

Remember, Timothy Zahn was an established author with a Hugo under his belt before he wrote Heir to the Empire.

>>47415495
Sadly not, despite quest's best efforts

>>47415468
>>47415465
>>47415426
>>47415367


I really appreciate the advice. As is I think I will write it a bit at a time and just hold on to it. In the meantime I think I will keep working on a separate short story (original setting, etc) I've been chugging away at.

Simultaneously I think I might try my hand here at pulpy short fanfics just for
A: practice and fun
B: criticisms because 4chan tends to be brutal and i appreciate feedback so I don't go "Stockpole's Only Sideplot" or Travis' mandowank or something worse.

Now I just have to think of a fun practice short story for here.

>>47415580
I wouldn't sell a SW fanfic for cash if they turned it down. I'm naive and have spare time, not deliberately suicidal.

And good point about zahn.

But fucking wendig. "Herkily jerkily" will be my personal ballpark for what NOT to write.

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Shit, all this literary talk just reminded me. I need to get off my ass and get back to writing.

>>47415705
I put out my yearly chapter, so I'm good.
I'm kidding.... I hope.

>>47415705
>>47415691
>>47415659


I just got the lightbulb.

Anyone ever see "treasure of the Sierra madre"? I'm thinking something like that (in spess).

I hope to have the first part of "Vaults of Dellalt" up here soon!

Thank you all again. Star Wars general is best general.

>>47415098
Tractor Cannons are pretty fucking awesome, but a lot of their awesome stems from crazy low cost. The lack of actual damage they deal means that you usually want to use them to setup better shots elsewhere, or take the odd opportunistic "dump your shit onto an asteroid" shot.

>>47415768
>Anyone ever see "treasure of the Sierra madre"? I'm thinking something like that (in spess).
Yep. Good taste in films, too. One of the few classic westerns I'd like to see remade. (On that note, I really want a remake of Ride The High Country with Tom Selleck in the Joel McCrea role, but I can't think of a good actor for Randolph Scott's role)
>>47415705
Hopefully Amazon Gear'll get the creative juices flowing again, buddy

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>>47416991
>Amazon Gear
Not sure how sporting and outdoor apparel will help the creative juices unless you're suggesting I brainstorm over a round of golf.

>>47417230
>suggesting I brainstorm over a round of golf.
Golf? Never
Round a drinks? Sure