Warmahordes General

How's everybody feeling about Mark III so far?

I'll take some more khador leaks, k thanks

>>47356748
I have to pretend to be excited for my local players and online but honestly I'm kind of worried about Trolls. It took so freaking long for them to get anywhere near competitive and that was with two really stupid theme lists.

Stuff is looking ok so far but not great, at least we sound better than Skorne but I'm not looking forward to being at the bottom of the rankings again like we were at the beginning of Mk2.

Hopefully things work out

Anything on Man o War point costs for Shock Troopers, Demo Corps, and Bombadeers?

Did any of the units really change? Hoping Demo Corps can be as awesome as they were in MK1.

Mortenebra cards when?

I would love to know butcher 1,2,3 spells.

>>47356800
From Jay Larsen's comments, Trolls are in a good place. His plan is to pick the top faction for Mk3 at the start, and his short list is Cygnar, Khador, and Trolls.

>>47356748
I'm still loving the changes. Looking at the whole thing as a new game instead of just a big errata makes all the nerfs very bearable.

I just wish the infinite whining would stop.

>>47356809
>>47356805
>>47356825
Stop begging for spoilers, it's pathetic

>>47356844
That's cool. It hurts to lose Burrowers, Mulg and the Earthborn right off the bat but I'm hoping there's some good stuff in there somewhere since there have been no changes to the crapy stuff no one was ever going to play.

Can the Avatar be empowered?
If so thats a pretty big buff in itself. If not its going to be hard to justify it

>>47356854
Hello, Hungerford.

>>47356887
Does Empower say "Allocate a jack a focus", if yes, then according to Mk2, then no it wouldn't.
Avatar is pretty shit on the principle that you can't spend warjack points on it anyways. Toss random focus on top of that, it's just a pretty paperweight
>>47356903
Shitty meme

Sounds like MK3 is gonna be CRAZYMACHINE.

>>47356903
If I were Hungerford you would have been drowned in a sea of murderous bees by now.

Hungerfords trolling in the Skorne Facebook page has been amazing though

>>47356933
It's "gain" not "allocate". Should work.

>>47356993
then that helps the thing's case quite a bit

>>47356993
So what I'm hearing is that the avatar is going to have 4 focus every turn.
Praise be to Menoth!

>>47356854
Why? Let them beg. Does it offend you that much?

>>47357031
Now all it needs is a rule to let it count for warjack points.

>>47357129
If it's not good enough to be taken past Warjack points, then its not good enough.

After seeing Ret's new caster I'm pretty excited.

Having her nudge my jacks into position is gonna be pretty sweet. Also Deceleration is gonna be pretty nice with my Discordia n Halberdiers set up. Fuck your shooting.

Here's hoping Destors kept Quick Work and got a cost reduction.

Also here's hoping Ghost Snipers kept all their shit.

"Any word on:

Makeda3 and her girls.
Keltarii
Zaadesh
Beast packs, mostly scarabs though

1. She and her ladies are as spoiled. Which is still very nice.
2. same.
3. Sac pawn now instead of his old rule which leads me too...
4. They are bugs, they now have Carapace along with some small stat changes. "

>>47357207
More on Makeda3:

"She abandoned sun hammer for a spell that's actually useful. Upkeep that grants overtake and grievous wounds to a model. She also has points to take beasts with now.

Highest WB/WJ score I've seen so far is 32 and it's not on who you'd think."

>>47357168
Refuling shields with Helynna is gonna be a ton of fun with Colossals under Deceleration. I wanna try running a Helios and a Hyperion with her.

>>47357207
>>47357268

I think someone stated Rasheth is still mostly the same, which is actually kind of a bummer if true. I feel like he is close but certain thing hold him back, living on 1, Dark Rituals once per turn ect.

>>47357299
The changes listed are feat effects anything, his spell now stops all channeling, Impervious now applies to everything, and his arcing thing is FF now.

Any news on the Butchers or Assault Kommandos?

Any news on Amon's spell list?

I really want to know about Stryker2

>>47357408
>>47357341
See >>47356854

>>47357326

If that's the case that solves most of my issues....FF on Dark Rituals and still being One per turn is sad, and no weapon to get exta movement sucks, but Feat is what I wanted, Castiagte change is nice and might see more use, impervious is nice..but I feel like he will still fold to attacks like it's nothing

Rhyas1 info? more X2 info?

>>47357446
Die, preferably in a fire.

File: godzilla-2.jpg (3MB, 4942x3295px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4942x3295px

Should I make a Gator army based with sky scrapers and shit so it looks like Godzilla?

>>47357620
No.
>>47357446
Fuck off. Spoilers for next edition aren't off topic and you don't own the general.

>>47357620
Yes. Sounds great but hard to do.

File: 1335998184870.jpg (97KB, 532x427px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 532x427px

>>47357520

But hey, thanks for that

>>47357620
Do you even have to freaking ask?

What are you going to use for King Kong? Take Rorsh and Brine (generalist minions) and give Brine a tiny plane and doll?

>>47357657
Someone got up on the wrong foot this morning

Is augery still on old witch?

>>47357657
No, but 300 posts of "GIEV SPOILERS I SUK UR COK" wears really thin really quickly.

You must be a liberal

>>47357756
At this rate she probably has field marshall:future sight.

>>47357887
Wicked burn, bro.

Field marshal Apparition is what I see.

>>47357698
Gorax

Ded gaem ded thred

>>47357756
Old Witch supposedly still has Augery, but the wording has changed a bit. I believe it gives hunter and another thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>47356748
Bad because I play Skorne.

File: 30080730.jpg (81KB, 553x411px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 553x411px

>>47357698
Fuck King Kong..

>>47357961
Fuck you nigger, I'm torn between Circle and Minions. I REALLY want the new Circle battlebox but I don't like Circles infantry, you're temping the shit out of me here..

>>47358019
Can't circle take gatormen? Just play both silly.

>>47358076
Can't take the Gator beasts which is who will get skyscrapers and shit.

>>47357973
Last thread a leaker said Weald Secrets gave Pathfinder and Hunter, is that what you're thinking of?

I'm surprised at the lack of questions about certain casters like Old Witch, Rhyas, Mohsar etc. The popular but competitivly weak ones. Thought people would want to know if they were better.

>>47356844
Thats good news, I was also worried
>>47356869
I feel you muh nigga. Dont' forget we lost the ability to put damage buffing animi on non-warbeasts. I have no idea why you'd bring an elemental troll from whats been spoiled so far. I have faith though.

>>47357620
fuck yes

>>47358107
Take Wrongeye and Snajaw. Problem solved.

>>47356695

what factions do you play, not just own but actually play?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10138678

Anyone got Mark III Madelyn's card?

>>47358162
It's in the OP dumbass

>>47356869 >>47358136

Pyre/Slag could be good for casters that want the melee damage buff. It's self only, but it isn't restricted to warbeasts only like Rage now.

Storm Trolls could still be really good, especially if they got a RNG/RAT buff like the Pyre did according to the insider.

I think a lot of it is going to come down to the cost of the Bomber. Bombers + a Mauler can be pretty insane in terms of ranged and then melee potential. Plus stuff like Highwaymen, Braylen, and Fire Eaters should still be good.

Also FA2 on Longriders should be bonkers with Grissel1 since the PP Insider thread implied she kept Hoof It.

>>47357289


It's better on Imperatus, who can just refill his shield TWICE for a total of 24 extra boxes

>>47358232

Oh shit finally, thanks OP.

>>47358153
Might solve it yes, but I like the Gator warlocks and Circle may not support mercs at all.

No Insider today?

>Find a unit of Flameguard Cleansers and UA for 30 bucks on ebay
>Bought them as a painting project
>Read the Insider now

Holy balls they look amazing now. 18" assault sprays for a turn sounds bonkers. And now they can jam decently with Ashen Veil and aren't armed with butter knives. I'm tempted to see if I can find another unit and UA for the Journeyman league my shop is hosting. Feat with Malekus and two units of those guys to set the world on fire.

>>47358167
Check the archive

>>47358414
Malekus is... good.

He's going to be crazy once the Revelator actually gets released.

File: 1463578666183.png (2MB, 1254x1132px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1254x1132px

>>47358426

>>47358471
I hadn't even considered that. Oh man, Feat, his pseudo-ancillary spell and that seems crazy. Three Pow 17s with two at 4 dice and one at three dice? Just gotta hope they're not immune to fire.

>>47358665
... pow 19 with Hand of Judgment.

File: image.jpg (376KB, 2000x2000px) Image search: [Google]

376KB, 2000x2000px

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-05-20-2016

>And, of course, having a tremendous earthquake set off across the skorne’s western fortresses right when they were in the middle of invading Ios wasn’t great timing as far as they are concerned. But they are a people who draw strength from suffering, so I doubt they’ll be set back too much.

Story Insider: We moved the story ahead 2 years like we said a couple of months ago. It is going to give us a lot of space to write new stuff. See you on Monday!

Man. What?

>>47359060
>Nerf our mediocre beasts
>Nerf our best casters
>Shit on us in the fluff
FUCK

>>47359071
It's Friday man, people don't want to have to work any harder than necessary

>>47357898
>>47357756
she has field marshal[apparition]
>>47357973
Weald secrets now just pathfinder and hunter

old witch no longer has augery.

>>47359102
New Rasheezy from Facebook rumor looks pretty dope.

>>47359254
>Most expensive warlock is the best warlock
What is this, Magic?

>>47359254
Can you post it here please?

Field Marshal: Apparition = 2" move at the beginning of your activation, right?

>>47359268
Xerxis2 is the most expensive Skorne Warlock. He's still meh

>>47359320
Place 2", but yes.

>>47359335
Isn't Xerxis2 being buffed as well?

File: 686a53ff7629308e4625bd34c6fb3211.png (203KB, 500x360px) Image search: [Google]

203KB, 500x360px

>>47359349
Mostly unchanged

>>47359071
Also, no fluff for cryx ever!

>>47359270
All the Facebook rumors were posted at the tail end of the last general.

>>47359430
Suckers. :P They did mention how your leader got his ass kicked a little bit. ;)

>>47359348
Place completely within 2", gotcha. Hm. Well, that's not bad for something that is basically free. I'm sure it will just make Scrapjack that much more of a nuisance.

>>47359060
We knew this was happening. Get in by deus ex, get kicked out by deus ex. The circle is complete.

>>47358243
I feel you.

On a kinda related note I was just about to buy the new pGrissel model when the MMM nerf came out. Here's hoping she's good again cause that model is amazing.

Also the new Rok model is pretty good. Borka was the caster that drew me to trolls and he remained my Shits and Giggles caster for most of MK2. If Borka's still alright, I think stumbling drunk Rok good be top kek.

>>47359243
Any word on her feat/spell list? Especially now that Iron Flesh is gone.

>>47359632
avatar of slaughter
gallows
iron flesh (which is now +2arm and no blast dmg)
murder of crows
unseen path
weald secrets (which is pathfinder and hunter)

>>47359718
>2 of those spells are the exact names of Magic cards

>>47359718
Iron Flesh works on Jacks? Because my little bro will love his Armor 23 Behemoth with the new powerful shot

Butthurt that PP are going the way of GW.

>>47359829
Target friendly Faction warrior model/unit gains +2 ARM and does not suffer blast damage. Models are not affected while out of formation.

>>47359858
My god if Skorne had that.
>Muh 23ARM Cetrati
>Oh you killed some? Guess I'll revive them LOL

>>47359840
unintelligent post of the thread right here

>>47359463
>Well, that's not bad for something that is basically free

"Not bad"? Motherfucker, that's basically +2" move for all your fucking jacks. Your heavies are basically all SPD 6 or SPD 5 (depending on if you're charging/walking or running). Not to mention the ability to disengage shit and change up positioning to open up new charge lanes and shit.

FOR FREE. That's fucking amazing.

It's so amazing that if >>47359243 is lying I will be filled with so much hate that its volume will only be matched by its impotence.

>>47359858
When was that spoiled?

>>47360165
i have the cards.

Oh man I really like that new take on Iron Flesh. That's going to be great on... basically everything. Blast damage immune Kayazy? <3

Hrmmm, if that spoiler is correct it should be interesting to see what happens to the Inviolable Resolve spell, currently it's +2 ARM and Fearless but with the Mk III changes if it doesn't either get replaced or changed it'll be the bottom of the barrel for ARM buffs by a fair margin.

>>47360217
Rather than turn things into a swarm of pleading players, are there any cards (certainly doesn't need to be the full card image) that are just really cool you want to share? Maybe something with a new ability, or an old mainstay unit that has been re-priced to be 'Just Right'?

>>47360217
Well, even if you're faking I don't want to know the real thing.
The khador infantry will be monstrous with it. I wonder if trolls still have it on Borka.

>>47360217
You wouldn't happen to have some info on Darragh Wraith, would you?

>>47360217
can you tell us about the Destroyer and Torch? and maybe how the Berserker changed? pretty please!

A more generalized question that doesn't necessitate specific spoiling: did all the factions get new stuff or just a couple? I saw the new Cryx birds and Gunslingers so I'm curious. I know CoC isn't getting anything just yet.

>>47360408

legion got a sarlacc pit

Question concerning IKRPG and mounts and sneaking. Nowhere that I can find in the Core Rulebook or Unleashed's CR does it make any mention of how that would work, so...

How does it work? Is there anything from Warma/Hordes (which I know nothing about) that could be used as a basis for house rules, or would the DM basically have to make it all up himself? I mean, sure, the implication would seem to be that mounts aren't sneaky, but I can't imagine situations where a rider trying to make his way around/toward/away from a hostile force without drawing notice just never happen.

So why can't people post the leaked cards from FB on here?

File: behemoth.jpg (83KB, 960x540px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 960x540px

>>47360549
do you have them?

>>47360448
The simplest solution is to have the player roll their own Stealth and apply a penalty based on the mount's condition.

Quietly walking alongside your horse that you've owned and ridden for years? Low Penalty.

Tried to sneakily ride out on a wounded Dusk Wolf that you acquired by violently replacing the previous rider? Probably quite difficult (if not impossible).

Don't forget armor penalties to Stealth.

>>47360549

the ones that were taken from here and posted on facebook?

>>47360586
>that Behemoth

I neeeeeeeed it.

>>47360591
people aparently have entire faction decks right now in pdf format

hey awesome guy with cards can you tell what's changed in borka 2?

>>47360586
No I'm just wondering, cause if someone does have them, why the fuck aren't they posting them?
>>47360765
Exactly, be fair to the rest of us and post the damn things.

>>47360815
>Exactly, be fair to the rest of us and post the damn things.
i don't have them .. i wish i did. aparently a few factions were not leaked because they could easly trace those specific factions to the people whom it was given. (skorne and something else)

Also I don't think any Ret spoilers have dropped apart from the insider and PP forum stuff so I doubt the current spoiler-bros have that deck, if they do... why not Vyros1?

>>47360815
>No I'm just wondering, cause if someone does have them, why the fuck aren't they posting them?

Because they would be sued into oblivion?

>>47360936
Only if they were found out. Post it to any given upload site anonymously. From there it can spread. These faggots just want to look cool.

>>47360936
How can they catch them on 4chan? It's anonymous.

>>47360988
The card images have unique identifiers on them, which is why they can't.

I don't think it can be helped if poor anon has his computer hacked and forced to post those images by those dangerous people on "four chans".

>>47361007
>The card images have unique identifiers on them

Then just crop those out.

Or take really fuzzy pictures of the cards, bigfoot style.

have you guys not been around lately? leakerbro has a bunch but mostly posts cryx, it's in the OP even

>POLISH LEAKERBRO CANNOT POST KHADOR, MENOTH OR SKORNE WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED DO NOT ASK HIM FOR THEIR CARDS

>>47361021
This. Low res to fuck is fine. Or just typing the fucking shit out.

>>47361029
That's a lot of work. I wouldn't want to do that for you ungrateful assholes.

>>47361029

he's typed out a bunch of skorne and menoth, check the archives

>>47361046
I'm not ungrateful!

Anyone know anything about the trencher UA yet?

>>47361046
>I swear I've got leaks and I'm a cool guy, I promise!
>So what if I can't be fucked typing out even one card? I'm legit!
Dominar Rasheth or you're a kurwa.

Does anyone know when the books ship? I'm sure there will be some scans day-of at L&L but I don't know what day that is.

>>47361094
books will be online for free when LnL sells them

>>47361094
You know the rules are going to be free to download, right?

>>47361029
RIP mattiek

pls anon give us something about trolls: madrak 2 borka 2

>>47361101
>>47361103
Isn't that just the core rules? I didn't know they were publishing the model entries for free as well.

>>47361118
some of them have tough

T_T

>>47361124
Too bad I'm using pKreoss. I'll activate Kreoss and feat, knocking everything down ;^)

>>47361122
The Forces books, with all the model entries, won't be at L&L, I'm sure. They've said they're coming by the end of the year.

The only total set of model entries for sale is the card backs and War Room.

>>47361169
How did they justify the tough change? Was it just for balance?

>>47361122
WarRoom will be updated with the new model entries.

>>47361169
Some are also steady

some spells?

I ordered the 2500 scale buildings and they will take 2 weeks to get here.

My local store is running a grow league, do I take minions now or do I stick with retribution I'm more comfortable with and repainting.

>>47361230

they wanted to take out one guy getting unlucky and wiped vs another guy getting lucky and keeping his guys alive forever

>>47361001
The cards are apparently watermarked with id.

>>47360440
>Legion got a sarlacc pit
I HAVE A MIGHTY NEED

File: LsDX4xd.jpg (58KB, 665x604px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 665x604px

>>47361518
Honestly, I think it's more like a graboid.

>>47358019
Arkadius can take Goraxes in MkIII.

>>47361582
but he can't take the crocs can he?

>>47361653
Croc beasts? No. Croc units/solos? We don't know yet how pacts work, we don't know if pacts are still around.

>>47361726

we know they changed them to theme forces

>>47361726
>We don't know yet how pacts work, we don't know if pacts are still around.

They've already said that Pacts and Contracts don't exist any more. Mercs and Minions now work like regular factions when it comes to list building, no special restrictions.

>>47361751
I heard beasts are limited by race.

>>47361763
But Wrongeye can take gator beasts, right?

>>47361763
That would be a limitation on the model, not the faction, similar to the Animosity rule and similar.

Any new Karchev spoilers?

>>47356748
incredible, skorne getting some control back is great and makeda3 looks amazing

>>47361949
>a skorne player not bitching
what sorcery is this

>>47357326
jesus christ really? Rasheth is my fucking man now

>>47361972
I mean, that's what the spoiler says. I think we're in the part of the spoiler setup where people get shit wrong/make shit up.

File: IMG_0579.jpg (453KB, 900x672px) Image search: [Google]

453KB, 900x672px

>mercs are getting good
I'm hype

>>47361572
Yo where's this from

Yeah, despite the whining going on in certain factions I love what I see so far in MK III. In honor of the hype, anyone got spoilers for Hyperion?

>>47361962

Last bought of non-PP spoilers, for me.

PP's official spoiler campaign for skorne was literally this:

>Everything you own and play games with is worse. Everything, each and every model. There were a lot but we think we got all of them.
>Some things you own but haven't played with much is better.
>These models that are in your faction but you don't own and can barely remember exist are awesome. Game's not out yet so we can't explain why thoroughly enough for you to understand.

They couldn't have done a better job demoralizing the skorne player base while ostensibly trying to psych it up if they tried.

>>47360765
I've seen the Circle pdf being browsed, don't have a copy of it.

Asked if anything good happened, was told the Woldwrath.

File: tears in mark 2.jpg (44KB, 635x262px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 635x262px

i made a thing .. enjoy

>>47356695
happy with what happening to Ret

>>47359102
>Skorne
>Mediocre Beasts

>>47362635
Skorne beasts hit things hard


And that's about it.

So now they hit less hard and die easier.

any news how the khador Berserker turned out?

>>47362813
it still blows up if it has focus
enjoy your power up
:^)

File: dadadazxzzczxczxc.png (6KB, 499x137px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 499x137px

It's like watching rich people try and re-adjust to life after becoming upper middle as someone who lives poverty

>tfw you don't know if your boy Rask made it out safely

one of the poster on khador forums wrote this:

>Spoilers are afloat my comrades. Things are looking really good according to my source. Sounds like the IFK and Koldun Lord might be weaker now but lots of stuff is sounding better. The IFK isn't a surprise after the MOW picked up Desperate Pace. The Koldun change is surprising to me for sure especially in the more jack friendly MK3 environment. ARM buffs are definitely more of a thing now including our signature spell (no not Razor Wind the other one). There is a predictable change to our clamjacks but they are picking up some very nice compensation. I think they're actually better now.

>Hearing very good things about Irusk2, Strakov, Assault Kommandos, WG Riflemen. Good times ahead my friends. Good times.

any idea what this means and where he's getting these from?

>>47363142
For marshaling to make a warjack useful, it has to have empower or native free charges. Casting boundless charge from the caster is less efficient by far because it costs 2 focus, and a marshaled jack is worthless if it can't use Crush. So if the koldun lord loses empower it completely shuts down all chance of khador jack marshaling synergies outside of the berserker chassis. Hopefully he just means the koldun lord isn't a jack marshal anymore.

>>47363142
I know what these things mean but I will be secretative about my sources.

I don't know much about Irusk 2 though.

Important game changer is that Ironflesh is +2 armor and immunity to blast damage now. Koldun lord has lost powerbooster now, but he gained some kind of leadership ability that I can't remember (no, not battle wizard)

Clamjacks are arm 19 when open and arm 23 when closed now. remained mat 6 however. It's obvious that PP want these to be the tanks and not damage dealers like the juggernaut chassis are.

You noticed how infantry revealed so far are piss poor at killing jacks now while jacks picked up larger aoes and more infantry hate? Almost to the point where infantry feels pointless? It's there to kill Khador infantry. Khador might dethrone Cryx and become the new powerhouse for a bit.

>>47363227
RIP those short few days where jack marshaling looked useful.

Pretty happy with the clamjack change. Did the Spriggan also stay mat 6? It was meant to be a new generation of combat jack like the Juggernaut, not just a tank like the devastator. If it still has powerful charge that makes up for it somewhat.

File: image.jpg (429KB, 1131x1584px) Image search: [Google]

429KB, 1131x1584px

Any news about Khadors 142 year old national treasure?

>>47363191
Does that mean Thyron can make the Scyir useful with Assail?

>>47363276
from what I read, yes, Sprrigan is mat 6. I think it still has powerful charge.

>>47363334
Apparently Unearthly rage is becoming his feat and he tentatively has warpath? No tow from the looks of things.

>>47363403
How much does assail cost?

The problem with boundless charge is that you're spending 2 focus to give the jack a free charge, when if you had it in battlegroup 2 focus would fully load the damn thing. You can't consume warcaster resources on a jack marshalled jack or else you're missing the point of it.

>>47363227
is Khador infantry that much better now?

File: pip75051.jpg (46KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 500x500px

I'm most curious about Maximus. little bastard was my bro in my mk2 legion lists.

>>47359405

If so then he is still good because he was already really good.

Plus, the new Canoneers will actually be better with him.

>>47363514
90% of using khador light infantry was iron flesh, and if that's an arm bonus now it seems a little pointless

Iron flesh will be great on pikes and manowar, and maybe assault kommandos, but winter guard look to be left out in the cold to me unless they're just dirt-ass cheap.

>>47363480
Well, with the strength of Crush! on some jacks, the point of it may not be what you think it is.

>>47363533
It'd make sense for them to be super cheap, they're the mass conscripts, right? But, what I'm wondering is, how has Joe changed?

>>47363571
But without using crush, they are generally worse than just having them in battlegroup and giving them a free focus.

>>47363514
In the world of jacks, Khador appears to have been the only faction that kept easy ways to kill them while avoiding the easiest way for non-cygnar jacks to kill infantry.

It's not that Khador infantry's better, it's the only one that's remained good.

>>47363227
can you tell us about the Berserker?

Like, this is a game of limited resources and limited turns.

You don't have time to fuck around with marshaled jacks using Hurry! and getting in just their initials with no damage bonus. That's how you lose games. You need efficiency. The way you get that is by either having them in battle group so that on the turn they need it you can load them up, or you have them jack marshaled so they can go without using resources but still be relevant.

A jack making a single charge attack and an off-hand pow 15 or so punch is not relevant. They either have to use Crush!, or not be marshalled at all. Or be one of those corner cases where using Take Aim! is better than power-up.

>>47363614
Ret infantry called...

>>47361572
Well thought about switching my focus from Legion to Ret with MK3 after I was underwhelmed by the Legion Battlebox leak.

But the Hellmouth makes me reconsider.

>>47363666
Also, there are some jacks like the Talon where their main goal isn't damage, but getting in a solid main weapon charge for some kind of effect like knockdown or stationary, and are cheap.

Hurry! can also be useful I imagine with something cheap whose intention is to slam and set up combos.

Khador doesn't have cheap shit that fit those roles. The Grolar fits that in the first case (because of having a knockdown attack and then having a high rof gun), but it's likely it'll have some sort of Reload rather than being straight ROF 5, and Fleet still needs to spend focus, so it's out as a marshaling candidate. And it's too expensive besides. That's the only thing in Khador that fits. So while I could honestly see someone bringing Rutger and a Talon along or Raluk and a Buccaneer,, without power-up I can't see anyone bringing a Khador jack along that's being marshled on anything but the berserker chassis.

>>47363661
Basically the same. 11pts if I remember correctly with mad dog around at 10 and rager at 12.

It's basically light warjacks in cost now.

>>47363719
Actually, I forgot about the Marauder.

I could maybe see the Marauder being marshaled, since it fits that profile of something meant to get one hit off with an effect rather than sticking around to see damage.

Problem is, no one ever used the marshal.

>>47363735
That's not a light warjack in cost because the juggernaut is 12 points. Why the fuck would I want to take a berserker that's only 1 less than a juggernaut?

>>47363735
except the Crusader is 10pts

So I've been admiring warmahordes from afar for a while and I just need to know one thing about the mark 3 faction changes and meta shake-up how bad did cryx and legion get hit?

>>47363480
Assail is 3 cost upkeep, so I guess if I want to use Thyron and a Scyir together I'd better plan well ahead and take Sylys.

>>47363533
Winter guard died mostly from leaps and blast damage. They will die way less from it now.
Def 14 is still enough to be good against non-boosted attack rolls.

And kayazi are pretty much unshootable now.

>>47363757
very. still good though.

>>47363754
>>47363747
Ok, I'm working off of very bad memory then. It's dirt fucking cheap. Really fucking cheap. Just know that it's garbage but it shouldn't compete with the juggernaut because it's at least a 5pt swing.

I really don't know much about costs. didn't really ask.

>>47363735
>>47363754
and nomad is 9 points but got 1 more point of power on its sword.

>>47363796
I think it was 6,7,8 then. It was very light warjack in cost .

>>47363666
I wonder if Fuel cache is still around.

>>47363227
>Important game changer is that Ironflesh is +2 armor and immunity to blast damage now.

Jesus Christ thank you! It should have been this all along. It fits so much better with Khador's aesthetic and makes so much more sense than +3 Defense.

>>47363773
I could see an upkeep being used, yeah, if the caster has enough focus. Vlad2 has assailt, I forgot about it since I don't use him, and at focus 7 I bet he could be nice for jack marshaling a juggernaut or something if we have a marshal who has something better than Assault.

>>47363796
Nomad is 11

>>47363791
Yeah if it was like 9 or 10 points I could see using it. The berserker is fun because it has the potential to be marshaled well, with free charges and a chain attack meaning it can charge with crush and get up to 4 swings in. It was always good fun to use them with guys like vlad or karchev who could fix their mat problem.

>>47363796
No bro, Nomad is 11.

>>47363817
Not to mention that spell name actually makes fucking sense for a change.

Every new player
>what do you mean ironflesh doesn't boost amor? It says +3

So are skorne beasts just going for full tank mode now? Agonizers are now a universal -2 STR instead of to beasts, Rasheth's STR debuff is now apparantly universal. Xekaar has a -3 universal debuff too.

i mean a titan sentry / Tiberion sitting in front of an agonizer with no buffs is 10/23 effective and once you add xekaar, rasheth, xerxis1, etc 10/25 or in xekaars case 13/26 is possible.

is that why the chasis took the boot to the face?

>>47363863
Titans with a babby titan will be sick. Especially with the Bronzeback helping out with fury management.

Any chance of getting NQ 66?

Anything at all for storm blades, sormguard, and stormclad?

>>47359243
>weald secrets is now just pathfinder and hunter
>just hunter

This is huge. Handing out the ability to ignore cover for shooting on a stick is huge

>>47363952
Hunter only ignores forests now iirc

>>47363942
Well, the firefly now adds 2 to the pow of any electric attacks in 5 inches of it, that sounds legit for the storm stuff.

>>47363969
Dang. Fair enough though. That ability got a little bent

>>47363977
Especially with the changes to overboosting ARM, run one up near a moderately low ARM Warcaster and eleap them to death

From the thread about the battle report in the new NQ

>There was some mention of new terrain types that are dangerous to enter. Examples given were acid baths and burning forests.

>>47356748
Great as Skorne ;^)

I'm actually excited for the concept of having a mixed arms army and not relying on a single beaty beast (BB Titan or Molik). I'm also really into the idea of having more utility on beasts.

I've got an idea for a Mordikaar army, assuming that terrain becomes more common like is expected.

I want to have a core of Crocs supported by some mixture of 2x Krea or Agonizer and 1-2 (depending on Warbeast Points) of the other, bundled up with Paingiver Taskmasters. I also want a unit or two of Ferox, and of course, Void Spirits. I might need to make sacrifices in the defense tech department for a Despoiler.

If points allow, I'll find a way to fit either some Swordsmen or Venators as well as Slingers in. We have to see how good the Slingers are, but I feel like if terrain becomes plentiful enough, Mordikaar can turn some slower approaches into surprise ambushes.

File: e_absylonia_by_calonarang-d8230zt.jpg (96KB, 900x739px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 900x739px

>>47363757
As a Legion player I feel that the two hardest hits were to the shepherd and the speed of the Dragonspawn chassis (carnivean, etc). everything else is either warranted or easy enough to surmount. I'm eager to see just how different the list design landscape will look in july. I'm also grateful that Deathstalkers were let be (maybe even given a little boost).

>>47364074
What happened to Shepherd-san, Everblight-kun?

>>47364120
You can take more Shepherds in a list now, but while the used to be able to remove all your fury at once, now they each just remove 1 per turn.

>>47364133
Bah!
At least we still have Forsaken.

>>47364019
Xekaar seems like he'll be pretty fun with minions too. effectively +3 def +3 arm crocs who are effectively +2 mat +2 pow when attacking mortality'd targets are happy crocs

Assault kommandos been revealed yet? I need to know if they are shit.

Assault Kommandos just have a really weird and dumb role

Other than the flamethrowers, the regular AKs role is putting out a shitton of low pow mat 6/rat 5 attacks

And I just don't think that's a thing khador needs or wants.

>>47364257
So.. They are the same in mk3?

>>47364286
Nothing has been spoiled for them yet, I'm just complaining about their mk2 incarnation

>>47364257
Not only are they infantry immune to at least half of the anti infantry tech, but they can also debuff targets

Maybe AKs will get prey and assault?

>>47364305
*they can debuff living targets that they can hit directly at rat 5

And it's not "half the anti-infantry tech", it's just Legion and Menoth's anti-infantry tech.

>>47364297
>>47364286
rat 6, lost shield attack, gas against living models prevent healing. Actually have assault now.

apparently.

>>47364331
Weird I thought bile thralls and gorman did corrosion damage, and that arm 18 was enough to resist blast damage and covering fire.

>>47363969
Wait what? That's literally the opposite of what I've heard (hunter doesn't ignore forests)...

>>47364335
What do you mean, "actually has assault"?

They had assault and battery, which was strictly better than assault. It let them take shots at targets before moving, and then have the option of charging at any target or running afterwards.

So getting that replaced with assault is actually a nerf, and so is losing the shield attack. Going to rat 6 is nice I guess.

>>47364353
lmao, if gorman is throwing acid bombs at your infantry instead of blinding important targets then that's a good thing for you. And they're only arm 18 if you shield wall them and let them slowboat up the board in a clump.

>>47364361
>What do you mean, "actually has assault"?
>They had assault and battery, which was strictly better than assault. It let them take shots at targets before moving, and then have the option of charging at any target or running afterwards.
>So getting that replaced with assault is actually a nerf, and so is losing the shield attack. Going to rat 6 is nice I guess.

Assault has greater threat range, they actually have a synergy with Strakhov. You are forgetting how devastating assaulting flame throwers can be.

>>47364361
Preventing healing is decent against hordes too

Give AKs tough too.

>>47364385
I guess? Still not going to buy any until they're plastic in a box with the WAs. Flamethrowers are hard to find and are expensive.

There is only one important spoiler for all of mk3. Kossite Woodsmen.

I'm guessing:
Rat 7
14 inch range
Auto knockdown
Weapon master str 12 guns
Tough and steady
8 pts

>Trenchers get Tough but Forgeguard do not

>>47364500
+1 def seems to be it for them.

>>47364257
Aks were built to clear enemy infantry swarms, mostly.

They come with a shitload of attacks, and could put a huge amount out at once. Adding to this was their ability to ignore a lot of defensive tech, like cloud walls.

They also boasted a lot of immunities to prevent a lot of common enemy infantry clearing from effecting them.

Of course, there was a lot of problems with them, but their role was pretty well defined.

Based on the new rumors, they're keeping a lot of that role as well: lots of lower quality attacks and abilities to disable common defensive tech on jamming units

>>47364602
>>47364335
Imo Rat 6 will go a long way towards improving them.
Unless Tough has changed, the no healing gas will remove that too, which is pretty cool

Despite all the buffs to Magnus2, I feel oddly disappointed that he can't do a 10" charge then feat anymore. Losing that extra personal speed feels kinda bad in general actually.

>>47364829
TK casters hate the fuck out of it.

Like, Krueger2 can no longer just hang out back and then move up so swiftly for his feat without any problem. That's a very big change to how he positions himself.

>>47364883
I was more referring to Magnus trading Mobility for Escort. Like, yeah, Magnus' big problem was walking forward to pop his awesome control feat then dying like a bitch because he had to be within 12" of the opponent's entire army and he wasn't tanky enough to not get shot to death, and a free +2 arm kinda fixes that, but a 9" personal threat on a guy that killy just feels bad.

Not charging your own models does hurt, but Mags probably cares less than other similar casters because now he's got innate Unyielding and wants to charge a motherfucker with his POW13 Armor Piercing sword.

Will Doom Reavers be nerfed or just points increase like 14 pts for 6 guys?

>>47364946
Doom Reavers are 10 points.

This is so players that bought 9 units for theme lists can field them in MK3

>>47364946
My guess is no more AD.

And they're Doom Reaver Swordsmen.

Hey anon, you got any info on Retribution changes (particularly Vyros 1 and 2) or only Khador? Btw thanks a ton to all spoiler-bro's over the last few days.

>>47364958
Does their ward still block friendly spells or did they get the errant one?

I'm actually wondering what if anything was done to eZaal. PiP talked about how Durst was designed for MK2 and MK3 at the same time and the MK3 version changed a bit. I wouldn't put them past just saying 'Well Immortals gives souls now, so problem solved! (which was something that should have worked in the first place). Schick thinking eZaal is just the fucking bees knees also didn't bode well for what might need to be done to him (though truthfully not a huge amount)

>>47365011
Neraly unchanged from what was said earlier.

>>47365006
They ended up with Sacred Ward (like the Doom Reaver escorts Zerkova has).

>>47365216
Yay, I kind of thought so after seeing Ezerks body guards. Did they take any big hits?

>>47365249
Well since morale isn't a thing anymore they won't get to send a single dude sprinting at the enemy to force a command check on his entire army, so that's a loss even if that happening was corner-case.

>>47364234
Xekaar's feat + Mortality just generally seems insane. It's something ripped right out of Cryx.

>>47365011
eZaal apparantly got a buff on vision (you choose which hit makes it expire, so they cant ping the target with a pow 10 gun or something) and otherwise has had very little changed.

>>47365364
Not even a POW10 gun.

My favorite trick to removing Vision was to hit it with an Attunement servitor.

It doesn't do any damage, but it still triggered Vision.

>>47365249
Yeah, they're now MAT 4 (to tie in with the fact that they're untrained convicts wielding swords that make them crazy)

>>47365379
Weak bait.

>>47365359

Don't forget marketh spell slaving Mortality at a higher MA than Xekaar (and being able to self boost).

Also Deadweight is kind of nasty. If someone ever parks a trooper within 2" of a heavy marketh or xekaar can nail it with a deadweight and boom, unshakeable and has to sac movement or combat. Craft talisman will help its range too

xekaar's worst spell seems to be Pursuit, and thats saying something

>>47365379
D&D rules, man.

The swords are possessing them, giving them unnatural fighting abilities.

>>47365406
Everything I've posted, including costing 10 points and sacred ward, has been a lie.

I was just seeing how far I could take it.

>>47365409
Pursuit seems legit good for messing with your opponent's activation order. Parking a Savage in front of the infantry blob someone was about to activate seems like a nice 8 point way of fucking their shit up.

>>47365409
His biggest problem is that MAT6 Witch.

Like, technically the boosted MAT6 to see if you can land a spell is more efficient, but it is still kind of wasteful(and prone to leaving him exposed).

>>47365379
Being crazy makes you better at combat, not worse.

t. The Butcher

>>47365428
MAT8 because Marketh already landed Mortality.

>>47365419
Yeah,
>This is so players that bought 9 units for theme lists can field them in MK3
kinda gave it away.

>>47365441
Uh.

The whole point of the ability is for him to attack the enemy and then auto hit with the spell.

>>47365441
Not to mention that Future Sight works really well with spell slingers, so the now cheaper Savage will help Xekaar out a bunch. Move over Raider you're a piece of shit, the Savage is the new support.

>>47365482
See, to me Witch's Mark is a really shit ability for that reason. Do you really want to be in melee range of shit with your squishy warlock? I'd sooner let Marketh hit Mortality to pave the way for my mediocre infantry, and spend my fury on his other spells.

>>47365428
i think witchmark is a trap. Apart from feat turn i feel like xekaar wants NOTHING to do with melee range unless hes going for a yolo assassination.

>>47365423

damn straight, pursuit is good! when i said it was his worst spell, its because he has only great spells

>>47365509
>>47365534

If he has some access to Sprint or another movement ability, he can move up and do shit, then just dash away after he's done.

But yea, it's just a trap, and it's not even a good one, because he's MAT6

>>47365549
>If he has some access to Sprint or another movement ability, he can move up and do shit, then just dash away after he's done.
That is the ultimate trap. If he kills what he hits he can't use Witch Mark. If he doesn't kill what he hits, he can't use Sprint.

>>47365577
He's got two initials. He slaps his target for the spell, then murders some random trooper.

Refuge would be the better example though.

>>47365549

its reasonable to assume at least one of sprint on the archidon and fate walker on molik survived. With sprint being better if its still cost 2 and targetted so the archidon can apply it and save xekaars Fury

It plays into the larger issue that PP always tries to give a caster some sort of special ability on their weapon, and half the time it's just useless.

>>47363719
For the record the Grolar is rof: 2+d3

>>47365582
>He's got two initials. He slaps his target for the spell, then murders some random trooper.
And if you miss your first MAT6 attack, you're dead.

>>47365602
>d3
Always that fucking D3.

>>47365166
That makes the spell actually useful.

If the Extoller doesn't function the same then Mage Sight will be better as well.

>>47365638
With all ranged beasts nerfed, I doubt Mage Sight will matter.

>>47365659
The current talk is that they still have a decent ranged game, so we'll see how it pans out.

>>47365359
Xekaar was a weird spoil. He at first is extremely disappointing looking at him through the lens of a caster that wants to get up into melee (his combat output is less than that of Haley2. She out damages Xekaar, has one greater defense, equal mat, and has one less speed for 1" less threat).

His spell list is amazing though. It will be interesting to see how well he can use it. Marketh helps. Has the Cyclops retained Craft Talisman?

The Bone Grinders do still have it (confirmed) and it is still not limited to friendly faction (confirmed) which should help immensely.

>>47365416
He's not a melee caster. He's less of a melee combatant than Haley2. He needs to advance carefully using craft talisman and Marketh to leverage his spell list.

>>47365707
We haven't heard anything of the Shaman so far.

>>47365691
Oh I can believe that. Between the buff to Slingers and making Reivers affordable I can see Skorne having a ranged game. I just don't see beasts contributing a whole lot to it.

>>47365707
>Has the Cyclops retained Craft Talisman?
If so I could see myself still running the Raider. If the Shaman doesn't get nerfed too hard they'll still make a formidable combo.

>>47365721
Yea, but he feels like a melee caster.

Honestly, he feels so wonky, because all the other BB casters feel very straightforward with their tactics and tricks, but he just seems like he needs a shitload of finesse to work right.

>>47365707

i really don't think hes a beat face warlock of any kind. i think hes literally a spell slinging soft control and debuff warlock.

Even our ranged game will play well with xekaar. if its true that slingers are RAT 5 with erosion, corrosion and flare as options Mortality plays really well with them.

Erosion + Mortality = very high hit rate P+S 12 WM shots at jacks. basically croak raiders except with a better RAT :^)

that doesn't even add hutchuk if he still has a rust grenade.

>>47365745
>i really don't think hes a beat face warlock of any kind. i think hes literally a spell slinging soft control and debuff warlock.
That basically sums up my thoughts. It's nice to see some actually good spells on a Skorne warlock for once. I mean, for a faction that's all about torture, murder, and the whole life-and-death thing, it's ridiculous that they didn't have Mortality before Xekaar.

>>47359632
Iron flesh isn't gone you fucking idiot.

Seriously, why do so many asshats think IF is gone now?

>>47362215
The new catalogue thingo to store owners, giving them selling points and shizz for new models.

This was spoiled with the new Cryx crow thrall thingos and some other stuff I don't remember. It's a fairly old spoiler I'm pretty sure.

>>47363478
Man that makes me angry, spriggan was pretty much the only non-character WJ we took for quite a while, until the clamjack powerattack change, and they're leaving him MAT6? It feels like betrayal.

Sidenote: Can clam 'jacks still slam without opening up? If they lost that they might be basically useless again? (Sidenote 2: Do you know if rain of death still exists? It's probably my favourite rule of all)

Sorry to beg for spoilers but I feel like these are serious points of playability.

>>47366256
Maybe because new Iron Flesh does nothing sinilar to old Iron Flsh?

>>47366314
No one knows.

Spriggan and thus the Clamjack chassis are likely staying MAT6 because the Spriggan has a hit buff on charge and the other ones have special abilities that don't involve melee combat.

Iron Flesh being a DEF bonus never did make sense.

>>47366400
I thought they admitted it was a mistake and they intended it to be +ARM instead of +DEF, but by the time they noticed it was too late?

>>47366467
No idea, all I know is that 16DEF Nihilators are the only reason I ever used Naaresh.

>>47366477
>16DEF Nihilators
Also Croaks. With Tough+Steady.

>>47366467
Having a +3 armour on Khador would have probably been a mistake too. Imagine a Behemoth with armour 24 just sitting in the backline in a zone, unkilable, unless you are pskarre with Bane Thralls

>>47366502
And now imagine Tiberion's fat ass sat on a zone with 24ARM, and 27ARM on Naaresh's feat turn. Like nigger just no you aren't cracking this.

>>47366502
>playing 2v2 game
>paired with a Cygnar player
>Journeyman arcane shields my Devastator
>ARM 28 jackass camping a zone

Yeah, it probably would have been a mistake.

I would only have been a mistake if Iron Flesh hadn't always been warrior model/unit since Mk I. *sigh* I show my age when I think about that time and miss the Drakhun Bomb and Flying Steel (people complaining about d3 attacks would have had an aneurysm playing Mk I)

File: awoo.jpg (90KB, 895x611px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 895x611px

So this is apparently going to be a thing.

I'm totally ready for a stupidly unkillable 14/18(19?) heavy. Bonus points if that hook&chain is a Drag weapon, because fuck you and fuck your shit.

is everblight "that guy" tier? I've heard they're very simple to play.

I like the ice elf aesthetics.

>>47366936
Play whatever you like.

>>47366878
The Circle band wagon is about to leave the station
>All aboard !

>>47366936

we had a ton of overpowered stuff but a lot of it is getting taken away in mk3, so all the 'that guys' will be moving on to the next overpowered army and you should be safe

New thread

>>47366996

>>47366878

Where'd ya find this?

>>47367016

http://www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/beyond-mk-iii-a-new-warp-wolf-for-circle-orboros/

>>47367046

Thanks

>>47366521
Charging weapon masters will crack that, give them some sort of buff and they will munch on it just fine.

>>47360362

It might get replaced by Maddox's Dauntless Resolve spell (FF warrior model/unit gets +3 ARM and Tough).

>>47366936
Legion and Cryx were both broken as fuck at a design level. Cryx got debuffs and then some of the best infantry in the game (so much for the slow undead swarm faction..) and Legion got to ignore half the rules in the game including the fury system. Both upset a lot of people for obvious reasons.

These days all the power gamers are jumping onto Retribution because they look really solid with the info we have and took the least nerfs while gaining the most from the new focus system.

>>47366936
Doesn't matter if we get nerfed overall, eyeless sight on everything will still possible people off if your meta has a lot of shooty/stealth based lists. 40% of the people at my lgs play cygnar and all they ever do is bitch about legion being able to constantly out threat them.

>>47367561

Um yea, a charging weapon master at ps 13 or higher will eventually reach 27 at average, and how many of those do we have now that pp has reduced ps on much of all infantry? Hell, even Molik is like ps 14 right? And that fucker´s a beast!
I'm telling you, arm 24-27 is absolutely nothing to sneeze at!

>>47366502
>>47366521

And now notice that it has always specified WARRIOR model/unit, even though they gave it the wrong stat.

DEF 14/ARM 21 knockdown-immune Tiberion probably would have been even more busted than DEF 11/ARM 24.

>>47366256
Because one of the fake spoilers someone posted earlier said IF was gone

>>47366878
Damn, I really wanted a satyr like this

>>47363757
Cryx infantry was reduced to nothing while their jacks stayed useless.

>>47367046
god I hate all those unphotogenic whiny voiced fucks at BoW