How does /tg/ feel about furry races?

>>47245793

Liked when portrayed well (mouseguard) and I hear Ironclaw/jadeclaw are nice, /tg/ approved systems.

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If it's got a snout, it's out.

Ears and tail, feel free to rail.

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I find them more interesting than elves and dwarves and so on, simply because they often feel like not!human caricatures instead of anything that's unique or worth putting in a setting.

But this is 4chan, so get ready for a barrage of negative comments. Yiff in hell and so on and so forth.

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>>47245793
I like them because I grew up with them. A lot of my favorite cartoons growing up featured animal characters. So I still find them cute and fun.

A lot of people hate them and only think of them as fetish fuel, which makes me a little sad. I feel like they've gotten a bum rap because of it.

>>47245818
I like furry races, but whenever someone makes one, to me, they're as original as elves, dwarfs, orc, considering, c'mon it's a fukken furry. Not hatin, just saying.>>47245818

>>47245793
If it looks cool, has interesting culture, and is designed by someone who doesn't obviously think I should want to have sex with it, then it's okay in my book. I probably won't play it, but I won't disregard it out of hand.

Noble Savage tropes are out. I can't fucking stand narratives about the wise, misunderstood beast race oppressed by ignorant xenophobic humans. And "finding out" this beast race is morally, culturally, and spiritually superior in every way.

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>>47245793
Beast races that actually look bestial and non-human, 100% fine. This includes stuff like the Khajiit and Argonians of Elder Scrolls.

"Human with cat ears and a tail" or "Human with a coat of fur", no. That includes your topic pic, anime catgirls, stuff like Krystal from Star Fox, ect.
It's almost always just there because of someone's fetish or a really lame excuse for animal powers. I honestly prefer the boring elves and dwarves and stuff.

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I think I'd like them more in the role of the kind of silly, zany race than your various flavors of midget humans, for example. I suppose because I always think of them as cartoonish and funny in that way.

>>47245793
As original as the default Tolkien races. The more interesting species design I find is more often in Sci Fi where artists design aliens to look really legitimately non human and unique as fuck.

In fantasy, a race that is Not!Human has
>humanoid body
>add animal features like ears or tail
>optional snout
>that's it

>>47245793
I don't mind them at all, assuming they're not only serving as magical realm.

>>47245885
>Khajits look bestial and non-human
>OP's pic is a Khajit qt
>furries love the Khajit race

anon...

>>47245940
Khajiit in the actual games look nothing like OPs picture though.

I guess they actually DO exist in the lore, but I can see why the developers have chosen not to show that in-game.

I fucking loved the Redwall series man. It's like kid's introduction into Tolkien but with talking animals.

>>47245940

Fans of khajit also completely fail at understanding their portrayal. Most you encounter actually are just skeevy lowlifes looking to rip you off or rob you.

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>>47245953
>he hasn't played arena/daggerfall

>>47246007
>Daggerfall
>Being able to tell what the fuck anything in that game even is

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>>47245793
They are usually more boring cookie cutter stereotypes than the various elf subraces and furshit to boot, absolutely disgusting.

This is one of those things that requires a good amount of analysis. You see, /tg/ like all groups doesn't inherently have something. It hates things that are poorly done. Needless to say, furrys with snouts have an unfortunate tradition of being done poorly and suffer from having multi animals in humanoid figure's instead of one breed or species of animal being the single basis for the race.

Now the lack of their reason for existance or origin in the setting beyond a personal judgement of coolness on the part of the author or player aside, they rarely bring anything to the table ingame aside from fetish material and "cry for my doggirl" and at their worse they are bullshit combat monsters or social domineers. For instance, crocodile man having +5 racial to damage on a bite and armor bonus when attacked from behind, and catgirl having +5 to her social rolls are two respective examples.

Now as for why were OK with Gnolls but not heyena men and women, it's because they are not system breaking, they have a reasonable place in the setting, and they are not treated as the amazing race with a horrible reputation. As for /tg/ being ok with humanfaced furrys it's because they can be writen off as Magicly affected animals or humans like lycanthrope. Something snouted furry creators often fail to recognise.

That's all I have for now, questions or comments?

>>47245793
As you can see, good anon, /tg/ is rather conflicted on the matter.

>>47245793
Personally I tend to find myself liking them but from the stories I've heard I guess I can't blame 4chan for getting triggered about it too much.

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>>47246023
Might want to get your eyes checked m8

>>47245793
If they player pitching it calls it "furry" then I'd probably object. But if they said something like "beastman" I probably wouldn't mind. Because use of terminology like that speaks a lot about the player. Similarly, saying "loli" as opposed to "little girl" or "young girl."

I don't play RPGs to indulge in fetishes, whether I share in enjoying them (loli) or don't (furry).

>>47246056
this makes sense.
i am making several different furry races and am having a tough time trying to balance shit without causing bullshit game breaks, so I appreciate your insight
Thanks anon!

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>>47246085
>NOT 1080P HIGH DEFEINITION 60FPS

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>>47245816
Does /tg/ like -taurs and -tyrs?

>>47245863
>blacksad
You've got some good taste my friend.

>>47246131
>shota
>sparklewolf body
>wolf taur body
>speshul boy character that looks like he belongs in some tumblr chick's dumb yaoi webcomic

no. Kill yourself.

>>47246095
No problem. Also be careful how you present the race from different cultural points of view. Such things often decide on how they are veiwed, like how tiefling and half orc player get some odd glances as their race choice is considered as being needlessly edgy. Most of the above stemming from them being treated as social anomolys by the rulebook discription in most d&d editions.

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>>47246056
Eh, they bring to the setting what I say they bring to the setting, just like any other race I decide to add or not add. Multi-animal or whatever has nothing to do with it, unless the person crafting the setting makes that an issue.

The only real difference is that animal races have more of a stigma than the stock races.

So OP, the real question is this: How much do base your decisions on other people's biases? The one thing I agree with the quoted poster on is this: The only difference between a good furry race and the trash that /tg/ is expecting is how well they are presented.

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>>47246067
We hate furries, but Beast races are a classic in fantasy. What can we do?

>>47246131

All of >>47246056 applys to those a well.

I hate furfags that try to insert their shit in my games, but if there's a reason there's beast folk in a setting, I'll be fine with it as long as no one go along the line of being a fuckwit with it like making your cat girl a titty monster on your character art
Or some other shit in that domain.

I don't mind players making their cat folk stealthy rogues because that's how cats are for most parts, or making your dog man a loyal and honorbound knight, because that goes along with the tropes, although breaking tropes is fine too, like say an eagle man alchemist that loves to make dirty bombs, you'd see a buzzard kinda do that, but not the splendorous and amaizing eagle

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>>47245793

>>47246207
damn that cat looks like George Takei.

>>47245793
Actual furfag shit is never okay. Snouts are out.

Only ears and maybe tail are acceptable.

Monstergirls generally get exception to that, but can fall into furfag territory.

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>>47246212
>if there's a reason there's beast folk in a setting, I'll be fine with it as long as no one go along the line of being a fuckwit with it like making your cat girl a titty monster on your character art
Let me ask you this: Is it fine if the elf is a titty monster? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be focusing on crafting their characters as sex objects first and characters second?

If it's the latter I agree with you. Not that I don't like busty elves.

I find it amusing how /tg/ often can't decide whether "more bestial" or "more human" is the solution, agreeing only that 50/50 is furry and therefore heresy.

Only time I've ever seen a furry race done well was the Skaven from Warhammer Fantasy, and that was only because the Skaven were genuinely hideous and only the most debased furfag would fap to that.

>>47246207
you choose between A) >>47246031, B) >>47246024, or C) >>47246052

As long its not about sexualisation ,beast races are okay.

And if they have their own lore thats not based on real life cultures.

Like the Beast-Races in Elder Scrolls.

>>47246380
Whatever that is, i would play it for shit and giggles.

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>>47246376
It's odd how the entire concept of these kinds of characters boils down to the question of whether or not some obnoxious faggot would stroke their dick to it. Could you imagine if every other race were judged on that criteria alone?

I mean it's fine if folks just don't like the aesthetic - hell, I can't stand gnomes and halflings and the like - but it's sad that this association with the furry fandom and their bullshit has all but ruined the entire concept of a humanoid animal race.

I feel only electro swing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQgXeY_zi4

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>>47245793
Simple; usually they only exist as poorly disguised fetish fuel for That Guy or the creepy as all hell GM. I mean sure, I like my well endowed Elf Sluts as much as the next guy, but furry shit is often borderline bestiality. It's either that, or they're just a race of living breathing stereotypes with no character all all (often placed as pandering for That Guys). However there are exceptions to the rule. Like for example: the Beastmen from WF, who personify the barbarism and cruelty from chaos, whose design is literally plucked from the Roman's description of the Germanic Barbarians that sacked the Western Empire.

Or the Khajit, who have their own massively underrated lore all but ignored by the general ES fan base. But these are seemingly rare diamonds in the rock just covered with mountains of yiff and fedora sperm. And that is a very shameful thing, not only because of the imprint Beastmen have left on our imaginations but also the fact we may be sharing our world with other sapient species like the Dolphin or the Black Bird.

I play a lizard dude!
>Proceed to do absolutely nothing even remotely lizard-inspired or act in any way like a lizard

This is my experience of every kind of animal folk.

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>>47246536
I get annoyed when people that play elves never stop to bake delicious cookies in a tree house. I mean at that point, why not just make your character human?

>>47246577
Why even bring an elf if they're not gonna whip up some nice lembas to nibble on?

>>47246376
>>47246298
My question is always how to set things up without triggering the magical realm detectors. If I want to set up organised lion-people with a 30/70 male/female split and weird little city states where the basic family unit is a harem so I can contrast them with barren wastes dwelling matriarchal hyena people with demon blood and communal families, can I just lay that shit out? The fuck you want from me, a look at my sadpanda favorites to prove I don't have a harem or femdom fetish?

>>47246432
Go away you filthy fucking furfag.

what about giant bestial bearlike barbarian people?

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>>47246657
Forgot a pic to keep things going.

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How about when the only "Human" thing you're importing is sapience?

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Animal people are cool.

Instead of Dwarves, Elves, and Humans, I'd rather have Lions, Tigers, and Wolves.

>>47245793
it is healthier to not trust /tg/'s community on this matter, they will almost always judge it by "what kind of player would play this (read: furfags with raging boners under the table)"

treat beastfolk in the same manner as if you would have to deal with elf races , or other classical ones.
they are good as long as they fit into the setting , are balanced in gameplay terms , and make sense with their natural quirks (or have consequences that make sense) .
and avoid the elf problem of being humans +1 because muh beauty/agelessness/wisdom/politeness/etc

and dont give a shit about people trying to make a character waifu material , as long as it doesnt go into unintended ERP. this single wretched individual does not represent its race as a whole.

now go and feel free to apply this to every other fantasy race

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>>47246736

>>47246462
>Stop liking what I don't like!
>Stop liking what I like for the wrong reasons!

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>>47246752

>>47246657
Do whatever you want. Fuck the haters.

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>>47246760
I wish i had more than 3 of these without the card borders.

>>47246657
Just do it. And if you run into obnoxious furries trying to fap to your shit, tell them to fuck off. If you run into retarded dipshits like >>47246659 constantly looking for the furry boogeyman, tell them to fuck off too.

Make your setting on your terms and make it work. Don't let either side of this gaggle of shit heads sabotage you. If people like it, good, if not at least you tried doing it your way. Refine your idea for your specific audience or go back to the drawin board minus a few retards one way or the other.

>me and friend are working on a beast folk setting
>have dragonfolk as one race
>have catfolk as another race
>dragonfolk have huge power imbalance
>giving cat folk +5 in social isn't going to cut it

whew lad, this is a puzzle alright

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>>47246772

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Space Wolves are cool, if you ignore GW's latest wolfety-wolf-wolf Mr. Freeze raygun bullshit.

>>47246657
This is where another one of /tg/s prime irritants comes in. The lack of originality that comes from furrys. /tg/ cannot stand when animal races decide to follow their real world counterparts to the letter. Also a lead in or even refrence to their social structure around genderlines will likely set a fa/tg/guy or Ca/tg/irl off.

It's highly irritating when the gender dynamics or worse, reproductive systems, come up on furrys. That's mostly due to the fetish associations and has come to be expected. Thus any reference, even saying breeding out of the reproductive context, is usually a poor idea.

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>>47246783

>>47246298
There's charisma busty and then there's where tits take more than half of the woman's body.

I like women perky but there's a limit to things

>>47246780
It's time to nerf, or retcon the drags.

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>>47246795

>>47246794
>>47246536

>furry races are boring stereotypes that follow whatever irl animal behavior
>play a lizard guy who acts nothing like a lizard
>wtf, why even play a lizard guy if he's not going to act like a lizard?!

/tg/ will never be pleased

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>>47246736
There's tons of fun theme shenanigans with it, too.
I'm always fond of setting things up to be at odds with each other.

>spiritual/civilised dragonmans vs. practical/barbarian tigermans constantly one-upping each other with crazy martial arts
>lawful/tyrannical giant lion things vs. chaotic/free-spirited unicorns, each manipulating the civilisations in the area
>pseudoroman wolf people fighting pseudogermanic deer with blood rites on both sides

>>47246820
There's a line /tg/ has for how much counterpart mirroring is enough or not enough, unfortunately that line shifts hourly.

>>47246820
I would just play a anthro character that is just, you know, a dude.

Like, he could be a wolf dude, or a tiger, dude, or a lion dude, but all in all, just a dude.

Like, a normal dude.

No "noble lion" traits, or "solitary wolf" traits, or, whatever traits belong to tigers.

Just a dude.

>>47246807
no way, friend is adament to keep dragons because they're a classic myth beast.

How the fuck do you nerf a giant, fire spewing, flying carnivorous dragon?

My idea was that several of the smaller animal races ban together to keep the dragons in check and they get additional help by the asian dragons (which are good alignment) versus the usually evil european dragons

>>47246820
Different strokes for different folks. I personally prefer not to have them take most of their quirks and behavioral cues from the kind of animal they are based on. Some is fine, but too much and it gets really weird. Some would disagree.

>>47246839
The right way to go about the character, the wrong way to go about the race as a whole. That's the distinction we often fail to recognize.

>>47246839
read this typical /tg/ complaint:
>>47246536

>play lizard dude that acts like ... just a normal dude
>anon gets mad because lizard dude acts like a dude instead of a lizard.

>>47246852
Sounds like you already have an idea of what you want to do. Keep fleshing it out. Don't limit your creativity by constantly second guessing and worrying what others will think. Make it awesome according to you and figure the rest out from there.

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>>47246879
Just respond with pic related.

>>47246852
Either your BSing and trying to piss tg off or your honestly having trouble. As cynical as I am I'll take the bait.

You can't just have them band together. Nulify some of the dragons powers by daily limits, item dependencies, or situationals. And give the others bonuses based on culture if that's not enough.

The best option however, would be to tell him not to push the bullshit and just write a book if he wants them to be the best at everything.

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>>47246794
I'm not interested in the porn, I'm interested in the worldviews and how it shapes the cultures. I am using the biology as an inspiration, but nowhere near "to the letter".
The lions in that example might naturally think of particularly dangerous jobs as 'women's work', or have religious restrictions against killing the males of the species, or even just the fact that their military is 99% women, and they have the perfect societal setup for expansion. The hyenas might specify male demon summoners in their oral history, so all tribally approved spellcasters are technically officially female and it's just a cultural thing no one checks on.

>>47246902
lol good idea, but sarcasm and humor will probably fly over his head and he'll assume I'm a crazy tumblrite

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I don't like them because I can't summarize an idea I have without it sounding furry by default. I want beast races that evolved like us and as a result may lose some features you'd come to expect from them. They could evolve some new features as well. Pic related to get an idea. The resemblance to our closest living relatives is there but we're still obviously separated by many thousands of years. So the same would be true of a wolf and a dogperson. Also no fat tits on anything but humans.

If I just said "I'd like to see animal inspired races" your first assumption would be furry fetish stuff or humans with a few animal parts grafted on.

>>47246899
thanks mate, much appreciated

>>47246916
it's not a D&D thing, it's a comic we're working on that could go into a vidya game direction.

While what you suggested would work in a roleplay, storywise, we're guessing if it should be a "everybody has the chance to be the ultimate badass" or "food chain tiers and dragons are apex" type of story.

>>47246918
That's doing it right. However even I cring when I see a gender pronoun and hyene in the same sentence. Thanks discovery channel.

>>47246916
Can't he just make that particular subset nonplayable? Save them for BBEGs or something? Or just have a weaker variant of them for players. Like exiled runts or something.

>>47246657
Why can't they be humans with different cultures? Why do they need to be furry races?

>>47246956
... Do we have a board for comics? Cause now I'm sure he's in the wrong territory.

>>47246972
Why not? Why have any race besides humans in that case?

>>47246972
that's a whole new can of worms

>hey dudes, check out my Not!Japanese race
>also don't you think my Not!Vikings are cool?
>what do you think of my Not!Aztec+Rome race? Clever eh?

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>>47246852
Do they need to be PCs?
Vary the strength across the race, like you have the ones that are 30 feet long and eat people for fun, then the ones that are only seven feet tall or so and are vaguely related and they work with each other.

On an only vaguely related note, the ottrekin from Dawngate are a favorite of mine. They've got the water connection, but their main tie to the rest of the setting comes from the fact that they're riverboat pirate gypsies that you deal with because you have to. Their affinity for water informs what they do; it's not the entirety of what they do.

>>47246966
should have specified that it's not a roleplay game

>>47246991
well the worldbuilding general is for both game campaigns and general writing stuff. And besides, /tg/ is much more knowledgeable on fantasy folklore topics than /co/ is.

>>47246997
>>47246972
Basically there's no escaping cynicism, is what I'm gathering here. Might as well just do what you want to do and stop worrying about it.

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>>47245885

>implying the Suthay-Raht aren't an extremely well thought out and lore-rich sub race of the Khajiit

I'm not even a furry, just a big fan of the series.

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>>47246954
An idea that I suggested that a buddy did actually call magical realm on, but we had a REASONABLE FUCKING DISCUSSION like PEOPLE THAT AREN'T TWELVE and agreed it wasn't that bad.
Rat people only develop breasts during pregnancy, though they keep them after.
Meaningless fluff? Magical realm? Vote now on your phones!

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>>47246972
It comes down to, basically, aesthetics.

I like how anthro characters look.

Sex has no place in my tabletop or video games. It should never be brought up.

But that doesn't and shouldn't mean you can't enjoy how something looks.

>>47247056
>It comes down to, basically, aesthetics.

that and the fact that we humans aren't alone as a sentient, intellligent species. Combine that with mythology and it gets fun to either slay dragons or talk to one.

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>>47245903
If you change the thrown weapons thing or make it cultural, halfling stats work perfectly for pint-size cat people.
>Bonus against fear from personal pride
>Luck bonus to saves
>Bonus to stealthiness

>>47247051
How many breasts? Nothing weirds me out more than animal races with six or more nipples/breasts. I find retaining that feature to a noticeable degree to be extremely creepy.

>>47247051
Meaningless fluff, unless an ratperson having a child is a part of the story.

>>47246056
>furfaggotry requires analysis

Analyze this, /d/viant: Beastmen are explicitly warped abominations to be killed on sight; Yiff in Hell is a Warhammer Wednesday classic; Ponyfags rightly were punted to their special magical leper colony and Sergalfag got permabanned for being an insufferable cunt.

>>47245793

THAT is how "/tg/ feels" about furries.

>>47247101
I find specifying the amount of breasts unnecessary. Who cares.

>>47247107
^
Is what happens when something is done poorly too much and /tg/ takes notice.

>>47247114
/tg/ cares. /tg/ cares a lot.

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>>47247105
More that a lot of the race is assumed to be male because they don't have that many obvious secondary sexual characteristics to other races.
>>47247101
Hadn't considered, probably just the two.

>>47247127
If it ever comes up in your campaign, it's either a joke or you're knee deep in magical realm already.

>>47247107
Good old PURGE.

You still have all the old images? That Yiff in Hell campaign is what introduced me to Warhammer. I never even see Suiseiseki/desu/boatlights any more.

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>>47247119
>yiffing can be done tastefully

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>>47247085
A good 75% of the fluff works too.
>Torn between wanderlust and a warm hearth
>Generally tend to pursue the finer things in life
>Can and will shiv your shit if you push them
>High self-confidence

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>>47247172
>>47247085
Also an interesting contrast with the other most common takes, pic related and khajiit (druggie hooker pirate assholes.)

>>47245875
>should want to have sex with it

Humans want to have sex with everything though.

Anyway,

I don't give a fuck about people wanting to fuck beast races, I give a fuck if they start calling themselves Otherkin or dressing up in stupid suits to fuck in.

If you never wanted to fuck Mirage from Aladdin, that one chick from Treasure Planet, or any number of other examples of anthropomorphic characters then you are a fucking liar of frankly stupidly massive proportion.

I find the idea of cutting every member of a significant portion of any world's given biosphere and ecosystem with the exception of Human-derivatives off from being playable sapient races because of a fear of it being seen as fetish bait to be amusing.

Christ, you people are more tight-assed than an entire convent of Nuns.

>>47245816
Worst taste detected

>>47247327
Mirage?

You mean Raja?

The Tiger?

>>47247563

Nah, Mirage from the cartoon series.

The Cat-woman.

Literally nothing wrong with them. The only hard part is deciding how many to include in the world and how to keep them interesting. Making clever magical fox trickster people is fine, but do you really need them AND wolf men AND hyena men AND dingo men and all these sort of kind of pack hunter things at once? That's the hardest part.

>>47246972
You people need to fuck off already. "Why don't you just make everything a human" has about as much validity as 'why don't you just make nothing a human'. Christ.

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>>47247563
Vaguely egyptian saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>47247625

The Mechanicles episode were my favorite.

Gatormen/lizardmen always seem like rapists to me.

I like them, but I have a hard time inserting them anywhere in my setting besides in the town that is basically Innsmouth but with sheep.

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>>47245903
>lackadaisy
God those are fun.

Ive always liked my beast races Prolly cause of what >>47245863 said.

>>47245985
My melanin rich brother

No I want to play a Redwall based campaign

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>>47245863
The art in Blacksad is so good, but it's the worst example of 'animal heads of human bodies' I can think of.

90% human beastmen is the most faggotastical shit I've ever seen. People already ruin elves and dwarves by making them just slightly different humans, so stop doing it to other races. Plus, ears and tail appeals to monstergirlfags, who are the worst parts of furries and weebs. Just make sure it's an interesting race, and not just slightly different humans, and it should be fine

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Like anything else, these races can be done well, or done poorly. What gives people pause is that when they're done wrong, they tend to be wrong in one specific way. So anything that draws parallels to "I want to fuck this thing" sends off more alarm bells than a typical sexy elf character or the like would do in the same situation.

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>>47247940

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>>47246593
Fox Spirits probably are the only kind of beast race I actually enjoy to play as, for a number of reasons.

1- They aren't proper animals, nor they want to be. Since the beginning these supernatural beings are branded as anything that's not human nor fox.

2- They are tricksters, cunning shapeshifters, masters of illusion, experts in the subtle art of perfecting appearances, painting dreadful nightmares in the mind of their foes and cornering enemies with their own weaknesses.

3- Although their true appearance basically looks like red/silver foxes with multiple tails, they believe that the human body is the closest physical shape of perfection and excellence, so they try to mimic it almost all the time. However, just a little bit of distraction can ruin the disguise and expose ears and tails that shouldn't be there.

>>47247951
>no tail
dropped

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>>47247951
Fox spirits are just plain foxes in Japanese mythology.

All foxes old enough are like that.

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>>47247907
Body construction is interesting to play with.

Now if only the charr rated neck protection or something other than those awful starched kilts.

>>47247951
> they believe that the human body is the closest physical shape of perfection and excellence
I kinda figured it was the easy access to the comforts of civilisation, like cooked food, alcohol, and loose women (and/or men).
Also lulz.

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>>47245793
They are fuzzy and need to be carefully skinned before eating

There are no furry races, only furfags.

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>>47247327
Well, remember Rock & Rule? Where EVERYONE was drawn as clearly anthropomorphic characters and Angel was intentionally drawn as hot chick that for 95% of shots was looking human?

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>>47247949

>>47247940
>>47247949
>>47248059
Don't all these "draw parallels to 'I want to fuck this thing'" if you're gay or a woman? Are only male-only furry races done well?

>>47248017
Hfy pls go. You're worse than furfags, and that's saying something

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>>47246462
>mouth knives

>>47245793
I don't even care anymore. /tg/ has shown me that unaware testiclebrains brains will make everything about their boners. Heck, right now we have those threads for cat girls, snake people and freakin' orcs.

Obnoxious people will be obnoxious about anything they care about. Keep them out and you can pretty much anything work.

On the actual topic: Kinda like the really beastly variants, furry humans with animal heads are boring at best and walking plotholes at worst

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>>47247951
>they believe that the human body is the closest physical shape of perfection and excellence, so they try to mimic it almost all the time
That's also valid for a lot of other non-human youkai, such as the Tsuchigumo (spider spirit, pic related), the Tanuki (raccoon dog spirit), the Mujina (badger spirit), the Hebi (snake spirit), the Tengu (crow spirit),the Tsubaki (Camellia flower spirits), the Samebito (shark spirits) and the Bakeneko (two-tailed cat spirit).

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>>47247991
In some tales, yeah, they are foxes who managed to reach a hundred years old and obtained sentience and supernatural powers. However there are others that present them as ethereal, otherworldly entities who either served as benevolent heralds of the god Inari, or demonic, mischievous vulpine ghosts really really committed to the task of tormenting mortals ( often referenced as Nogitsune). In these versions it's implied that they were never common animals to begin with.

>>47246085
Why does that bosmer have a tail?

>>47247594
>why don't you just make nothing a human
Why don't you? What's the point of having a boring self insert race like humans?

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>>47248271
>furry humans with animal heads are boring at best and walking plotholes at worst
Fauns, accordingly to Deities & Demigods. They lack even horns, let alone animal heads.

>>47248461
It's clearly one of the more meranoid (fuck yo' anthropocentrism) sub-races of khajiit.

>>47248567
Do the sub species exist in lore to explain why Khajiit look different between games?

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>>47248861
Behold!

>>47248922
So Daggerfall has Ohmes, Morrowind has Cathay and Oblivion has Suthay?

I wonder if they'll ever have a game with more than 1 kind of khajiit.

>>47248949
oh wait, I didn't notice both Cathay and Suthay have cat and human feet variants. Seems odd.

>>47248964
Entirely based on the phase of the moons when they're born, I bleev. And rigging up 14+ models for one race is a lot of work for little payoff. If they do get in, it'll be via mods.

>>47248949
Probably in TES:Elsweyr, which will never happen because that would actually be an interesting and alien place to explore.

>>47248452
>In these versions it's implied that they were never common animals to begin with.

Or maybe they've lived so long as mischievous trickster spirits that they can be considered "more than animal" by now.

Like any proper Kitsune that's lived to see their ninth tail.

>>47246454
>Lackadaisy

YYYEEEEEEEEAAAAHH, this homeboy gets it!

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>>47249018
You do actually visit in ES:O.
It's a province of the aldmeri dominion and you see only suthay, and more Maormer than khajiit.
Pleasant blood pressure.

>>47246245
This is the only correct answer.

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>catfags
Will fuck for dominance.

>lizardfags
Belong in the ground or on a plantation

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I dunno, but I've heard they are actually a kind of elf

>>47249335
>playing catfolk barbarian pirate
Yeah with my swords.

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>>47248922
That's pretty cool actually

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>>47249467

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I played a Tortoise Shaman once.

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>>47245793

>>47249508
Will you shut up.

fucking assholes!

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>>47249467
All of those are intelligent, sapient, and to scale. The housecattish ones are also super magic.
Elder scrolls is probably 70% stuff that will never make it into a game but is hella interesting.

>>47249521
Calm down, idiot. OP asked how I feel about furry races and I honestly replied.

>>47249536
I think Kirkbride jacked himself up on some seriously strong stuff then locked himself in a room with lots of stationary. Most of it is completely batty.

>>47249540
Didn't your parents ever teach you to just not talk if you're going to be a memeing faggot ?

>>47249646
Fuck off to tgchan, furfag. You faggots don't belong here.

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>DM adds a custom bird race
>Theyre OP as fuck and the 2 people who play them wont stop making bird jokes/puns.

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>>47247004
RIP Dawngate, RIP Moya and Ronan

>>47249569
IRL myth is any less batty?
Like that time two kings pissed off a wizard in celtic myth, so he turned them into pigs, had the pigs breed and carry to term, THEN turned them back and told them they had to keep the piglets around because they were technically family members. Fuckin wizards, man.

>>47249746
Or that time brahma got pissed at demons playing their devil music too loud so he reincarnated as a boar THE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSE to kick their asses.

>>47249671
Jesus Christ, 40kid. Its not 2007 anymore. Calm down.

>>47246577
> I get annoyed when people that play elves never stop to bake delicious cookies in a tree house. I mean at that point, why not just make your character human?
> elves
> bake delicious cookies
Shouldn't elves be about luring fair maidens in the forest to sacrifice them during Beltane feast?

>>47249817
I thought that was Vishnu? Also on the note of that story, the boar is generally depicted as humanoid, so demon fighting Hindu P'orcs trying to emulate their giant, angry god sounds like a great idea

>>47249742
I miss that game too, but it was all about sakari and zeri

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>>47249742
Was there ever an ask-the-devs for where the plot was going, or did that get vaulted too?

>>47249536
Would they all see each other as the same species, too?
And where can I learn more about the lore outside of the games?

>>47245816
>he would fuck a lion with an human nose and mouth
Yep totally clear not at all s closet furry.

Anyway they are shit fapbait. Better avoid it.

>>47245816
This

>>47249939
This is /tg/ though. Everything is fap bait to someone. I mean have you seen every single elf thread?

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>>47245793
I feel that they make funny high-pitched noises when you end their lives

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Does playing as a dragon count as furry?

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>>47245863

I'm with you anon. I'm sad that furries exist, and I take my steps to work around it and show people that good proper beastfolk blues.

pic related, lizardfolk masterrace.

>>47249896
It was, my bad. First result for "Boar the size of the Universe".

>>47249977
Yes

>>47245793
Pigmen are fun.
That's about it.

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Pretty much every game I've been in has been set in a world of anthro-critters. It's been pretty fun.

>>47246330
I loved that bit. "In the wrong bar, aren't you, mammal?"

>>47249158
>Nords, Dunmer and Argonians team up
It will always be hilarious. How did they explain away the fact that the Tribunal alone could fuck up Molag Bal, anyway?

>>47249934
Vaulted. Its in EA's clutches forever.

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>>47249977
Depends. If it's an adolescent dragon in a humanoid form or dragonborn, it's doable. If you're a literal, giant, fuckmothering dragon with thousands of years of life and +200 wisdom and all that, then I'd have to advise you to cut that autism out.

Anything resembling this pic is furfaggotry of the highest order. The Inquisition has been notified.

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>>47245793
It's only Furry if they're remarkably sexualized and/or walk around trying to fuck everything with a pulse.

Otherwise I have no issue with animal races.

>>47248049
vastly underrated animation.

>>47250177

jojo part 9 looks pretty weird

>>47250095
> If you're a literal, giant, fuckmothering dragon with thousands of years of life and +200 wisdom and all that, then I'd have to advise you to cut that autism out.

Why? Well, you can tone down on wisdom - that's full DnD bullshit. Even oriental dragons aren't that wise.

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>>47245793
Hard.

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>>47250264

>>47249865
>Its not Year X, it's the current year.
Like poetry, stupid furfags with stupid arguments.

>>47250395
Just saying it's been almost ten years since furfags were really a problem. You shouldn't get triggered by animal people anymore, especially considering how prevalent they are in fantasy

>>47250324
Because most taverns have roofs that go up maybe 10 feet, and are made of thatch.

When you're 1000 years old and the size of a mountain side it rather dampens your ability to partake in the bard's latest shenanigans.

>>47250481
They have never stopped being annoying fags. Even when you leave furfags alone and ask them politely to not put their fetishes where other people don't want them to be, they can't fucking do that and respect personal space of other people.

>>47250576
But you're the one screaming about fetishes where none are. Not every person who likes beastmen is jacking off to them, just like not everyone who likes elves likes tg style slut elves. It's annoying to have people like you REEEEEing in every thread even vaguely related to animal races. If people shoving their fetishes everywhere and oversexualizing things is your issue, then go bitch in one of the tower girls or cheesecake or sexy elf/orc/dwarf/etc threads.

Depends entirely on how they're presented. Inhuman monsters who prey on humans? Sounds fine. Fellow sapients with some mental traits of their original animals taken into consideration but only to the same degree as humanity being social because we evolved from a social species? Also fine. Cartoonish caricatures of their original species? Only in a comedic setting, and even then you're being lazy. Enlightened and noble victims of humanity or inheritors of our world after we destroyed ourselves in our hubris? I'd rather fellate a cactus.

>>47250098

Do I even want to know what the image on the right is from?

>>47245793
HERESY!!!!!!!!

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>>47245793
I always thought the Charr were pretty cool.

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There's two main things.

The obnoxious furries (furfags) that people complain about think that their viewpoint is (relatively) common or accepted. This leads them to think it's normal, or at least okay, to inject what they enjoy into unrelated areas. Of course, furry fandom in the manner you'll find on FurAffinity and the like is not commonplace, even on the internet. You are aware of the existence, but it has hardly made a significant impact on anyone's lives. However, to these furries, the fandom encompasses a lot of their life, so to them it does have impact and meaning. Therefore they find justification in their actions.

The anti-furry-ists that complain at anyone vaguely showing appreciation for anthropomorphic animals, conceptual, graphical, or otherwise, have a similar problem. They think that the vast majority of the world vehemently despises that which they despise, so gain confidence and perceived validity in their arguments. To them, furries are the most depraved beings on the planet; they exhibit conformation bias and take any additional experience of unpleasant members of the fandom as further proof of their claims. Anyone who enjoys furry fandom is clearly either naive or delusional, which only serves to strengthen their belief. At the end of the day, they ignore the vast, vast majority of furries who you'd pass in the street without ever knowing, and the fact that many, many people enjoy aspects of furry culture without subscribing to the sexual (or fursona, or otherkin) side of it all.

But, of course, I'm an appeasing centrist scum who is too non-confrontational to see the Truth™.

Obviously this is all top-notch memery, though. I, for one, welcome our new anthropomorphic overlords.

Bein' an obnoxious special snowflake with magical realmz iz not limited to furfags. Anthropomorphic animals are innocent.

>>47250713
>in every thread even vaguely related to animal races
You are all furfags. I've seen time and time again how this innocent "beastmen" threads and animal lead to same fetish discussions and yiff. Furfags like you are beyond redemption. Go fellate a working chainsaw, you will do humanity a favor.

>>47250785
Epic maymay, my battle brotheren. Four TK! Purge da xenos XD

>>47250819
Your memefu is weak and it's showing

>>47250802
See, dis guy getz it.

>>47250818
>You're all furfags! None of you are clean! Sin is everywhere !No one is righteous but me, who is the ultimate arbiter of faggotry!

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>>47246131
Centaurz are good. Your pic iz bad.

>>47250854
>You're all furfags! None of you are clean!
Yep

>>47245793
>all this HFY and 40k fuckery

>>47249569
Kirkles has little to do with Khajiiti lore. The best of it is Goodall's stuff.

>>47247878
"Awaken" spell in DnD might help, I thinkz

>>47250854
You have no argument. Making starwmen, greentexting, unable to talk like a reasonable person, using word "meme" and 40k in every post. /v/ furfag, go homu.

>>47250896
It's the worst. 40kids roleplaying and screeching HERESY at everything is why I'll never be able to actually get into warhammer

Anyway. Just make your beast race an actual, distinct culture as opposed to just humans but wolves tho, and don't make them snowflakes or god forbid'sexy', and it should be fine

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>>47245793
You've got brown musclegirl elves and monsters that eat human semen and that's all fine, but a humanoid animal walks in and your panties end up in a terminal bunch.

>>47250913
You're basically a living strawman, bro. You have no argument other than "You're all degenerate furries because I say so! That's the only reason anyone could like animal people". You haven't actually made a real point yet. Memes are basically the entirety of your case

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>this thread
Calm down you fags. People can have different opinions

>>47250913
See the second part of >>47250814.

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>>47250818
>I've seen time and time again how this innocent "beastmen" threads and animal lead to same fetish discussions and yiff
Why do you always come back to those innocent "beastemen" threads then?
There are hundreds of threads about stuff I don't care about on 4chan at every given moment, but I've never felt the need to shitpost in any of them.

>>47250818
>hey, furries, why aren't you talking about yiffing, huh?
>don't you want to talk about hot, sweaty, fox sex?
>c...c'mon, you know that's what you want to talk about, right?
>please?

>>47250958
>You're basically a living strawman, bro
Not an argument. Let me show you way back to your home.

>>>/v/
>>>/trash/

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>>47245793
>itt one of the "furry boards" is asked about furry races

You're not gonna get a straight answer anon, because within /tg/'s heart flows the same blood that flows within /k/, /co/, /mlp, and /trash/.

For what it's worth everything can be turned into a fetish so I don't give a fuck if you play a furry race at my table as long as
1. they aren't a Mary Sue
3. they've got a reasonable place in the world
2. you don't touch dick/schlick at the table.

>>47251055
>Why do you always come back to those innocent "beastemen" threads then?
I don't come for them. I see them on the first page and how they keep bumping repeatedly and fall into furry fetishes and yiff. Next day we have two more. Furfags take a hint they aren't banned here and start smearing other threads in their shit. It's hard not to notice that on first two pages of /tg/.

>>47251060
That's not an argument either. Just FYI. Also not sure why you're pointing me to /v/ when /tg/ and /co/ are like way more furry

>>47251141
Stop posting anytime, /v/ag

>>47251115
>reaching this hard
Boy you sure do seem to be an expert in those smutty furry threads

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I turn halflings into rabbitfolk when I run D&D. Nobody has complained so far, and some people even think it's an improvement. Kender are made into stew.

>>47251115
Dude, it's an anonymous board. You don't have to posture like this, nobody's gonna call you out for being a furfag because nobody knows you exist.

You could even be honest about your horrible fetishes if you wanted, it's anonymous.

I can tell you're hurting. I know where there's some nsfw pics of OP if that'd help you overcome.

>>47251216
>Dude, it's an anonymous board
Read Rule 3

>>47251201
Same, but with mousegaurd style mice. Gives them some character other than 'crime midget'

>>47251155
>He has a differing opinion
>GO BACK TO /v/ REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>47251201
Cornelius is the best.

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Antifurfags in this thread

>>47251228
At this point gr3 is basically just to keep autists like you to have something to wave and grunt at when you get triggered

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>>47251256
Every single fucking thread this comic is relevant.

>>47251256
Antifags in basically every thread.

>>47251216
I don't have any horrible fetishes, I'm rather normie and don't feel collective guilt of perverts and need to shelter other perverts. I'm not going to defend pedos and gurofags. I don't hate furries if they keep to their own communities but they never do that. I come here to discuss my traditional games and related stuff, not for your fetishes.

>>47251244
Anytime, memespeking youngling

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>>47251228
>Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"),

>>47251306
The only one discussing them is you.

>>47251306
But you're the one who apparently can't see a beastman without immediately jumping to two sparkledogs fucking. Not everything is fetishes

/tg/ is so easily triggered holy shit

Not everything that is even vaguely antropomorphic is created to make you want to have sex with it, and there is no secret cabal of furfags which is secretly running the gaming industry, they're too busy erping on deviantart

>>47251329
I'm not, neither I am the guy who posts minotaur rape fantasies and lizardmen vore crap but hey it happens on /tg/.

>Play Ironclaw game with furfags
>Everyone's civil with some jokes about animal anatomy
>Play anime d20 with weebs
>At character creation, someone wants to make it a harem anime
>One is a loli berserker who wanted to only wear her pantsu
>The only tolerable guy is one of the furry game carryovers who made an over-the-top edgelord

>>47251381
Nice strawman you made here. I appreciate your efforts.

>>47251372
No one here is doing that either. So shut the fuck up

>>47251372
See
>>47251256

>>47251432
See >>47251391

>>47251401
>So shut the fuck up
If only you furfags would shut up and never come to other threads with minotaur on elf fantasies.

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>>47245810
the albedo rpg is excellent sci-fi military, too.

>>47251462
You seem to be the one with minotaur rape obsessions

>>47251489
Huh? I want to ban people who post it.

One of my favorite characters I ever ran was a lizard man archer, and I've had people play beast races in the past and had no problem, so I'm cool with it. As with everything, don't be a shit head about it

>>47251508
You when are you leaving because you're literally the only person to mention it here

>>47251522
>You when are you leaving
Try to reword your sentence.

>>47249441

show me your honor

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>>47249939
>he would fuck a lion with an human nose and mouth
Well, yes.

>>47246131
it's my fetish

>>47251508
Yet you still fail to realize you are literally the only person bringing it up. Just you. No one else. Any one else even mentioning it is just trying to argue with you. Therefore, remove yourself and you get rid of all sexual discussion

>>47249158
Nothing in ES:O looks or feels a way that's in any way in accordance with any of the lore of any of the real TES games.
It's an insult, and you should feel like an idiot for even mentioning it.

>>47246131
What's a -tyr?

>>47251633
Well I don't think it matters, because if FO4 is any indicator, TES has no future

>>47247907
Blacksad isn't set in a Fantasy world, or some sort of Zootopia thing where the characters being animals is the point. Blacksad is about our world, but the characters are animals for stylistic purposes. Sort of the Reynard Cycle and similar works.

You can't give them different bodies, because then you would have to deal with questions that aren't the purpose of the work.

>>47251632
>Yet you still fail to realize you are literally the only person bringing it up. Just you
No wonder, we're in furfag thread made to let furfags to pat themselves on the back and talk about how teegee loves them. Even animals don't shit where they eat, so why would furries shit here?

>>47251381
>open furry player who doesn't like playing anything but dragonspawn and lizardfolk
>chill dude who knows his rules very well, never makes it creepy or oversteps boundaries, characters are reasonable, fun to play with

>weeb player
>all characters are female bundles of /d/-tier fetishes with cropped hentai character portraits who quote anime, player stably loses interest after 3 or 4 sessions unless someone fucks his character

I feel like I got meme'd by /tg

>>47251644
satyrs but different animal legs

>>47251691
I really hope you realize how little sense you make. You're saying that because no one is being a degenerate, we must all be degenerates.

>>47251691
The reason they're hated on 4chan is because they used to throw tantrums and bother moot with DNP lists.

If that's not happening anymore, then honestly who gives a shit.

>>47251704
You did. There are definitely bad furries, but generally they stick to shitty freeform role play. The ones with the focus and brain power to actually learn a system and play tend to be the more tolerable. Weebs are just always bad.

>>47251724
Neat, though disappointing. I was hoping for one handed animal viking gods

>>47251743
>You're saying that because no one is being a degenerate
Your reading comprehension is very poor

>>47246131
They're fine if there's a cute boy attached to them.

>>47245793
I like them as shorthand, because most people will have a solid idea of how an animal stereotype works. It's the same as with Dwarves and Elves, where everyone is aware of the different stereotypes, and can both bring them into play and react to them with minimal effort.

Basically, they're easy pick-up races. Which is probably why they're in damn near all Fantasy and Science Fiction that has multiple races.

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>>47251704
>giant yiffing furfaget
>only plays furry characters if they exist in the setting
>doesn't turn it into fetish shit

The problem isn't furry, the problem is autism. And nobody has more autism than >>47251691

>>47251770
I don't a give a damn while they stay in the contaiment zone. But give furries a finger and they'll take the whole arm.

>>47251887
No john, you are the furries.

Also check 'em, fuck rule 3.

>>47251743
There are degenerates here, btw:
>>47245816
>>47246131
>>47250339
>>47248017

And the king of tham all
>>47251060

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Besides the fact that /tg/ isn't a single entity, the issue is a bit conflicted due to the origins of the board.

There was a stong opposition to the furfags from the 40k fandom in old 4chan, and it's reasonable to say that /tg/ was created as a result, while the furry got global rule 3.

On the other side, most fa/tg/uys lost alternate universe, and that includes monters (girls) and anthropomorphic characters. Because in the end, every non human character are the result of anthropomorphization.
There is no clear border between an eldricht abomination, a classical monster like a werewolf, an anthopomorphized character like a skaven or mickey, and a human with animal ears. It's
You can't remove furry characters from tg without grave prejudice to the board.

Like with MLP, it's because a few people spammed it until everyone was fed up with their bullshit that it has such a negative connotation today. Without brony spam, everyone would remember MLP as a pretty smart show that could appeal to adults as well as young children. Compare it to the porn & meme fest that we got that invaded us instead of staying in its corner like all polite fandoms do.

It's like magical realm. Nobody cares that the GM is into giantess reverse vore, as long as he keeps it to himself and doesn't put it in every sidequest.

tl; dr: autists ruined everything.

>>47245863
I've got a gif for ya.

>>47251859
Let me pat you, friend.

>>47245793
They can be done well. Unfortunately due to over-exposure on the internet and the furry community, they are dangerously close to a discredited trope.

Sadly, most groups today will respond to furry player races with groans and eye-rolling.

>>47245793
Furry races are alright, so long as no one at the table makes it weird. That extends to basically every other race too.

>>47251902
You are on the same level as Kurzefag and ND but it took much less time to discredit

>>47251937
You seem upset.

>>47251980
I'm amused rather. Rising star of shitposting turned his gaze upon me.

Here's the thing, people. Fags are fags and creeps are creeps. It's not tied to any one specific subculture. You have good furfags and bad furfags, good weebs and bad. Shitheads will be shitheads regardless, and arguing with them doesn't make them not fags. It just makes you one too

>>47252044
Secondin' dis

>>47250713

Nonono, this thread was definitely made for furfags.

>>47252012
Huh? I was only mildly butthurt about HFY zoggers